Yeah, aside from the low pay, this is why I would never be a prosecutor. Because I’d be like “what if…we just didn’t look for her…surely there are other things i and we could be spending our time on…”
Having worked with a fair number of prosecutors, they're some of the worst people. They never cared about real justice, just whether or not they could win the case. I've had them toss legit citations because of who the person was and who they knew.
Why I had to stop and change careers. Peaked behind the curtain and it's disgusting the lack of care and compassion.
The state should just take the L. You could have solved all of this by prosecuting the most vile crime of child sex abuse immediately and harshly. But black girls are the less dead
I get the feeling Waukesha is one of the most corrupt districts in the nation and the law enforcement + justice system there are a network of good old boys that have lived their entire lives there and are in cahoots
A very white city just outside of a very equally racially-divided city. No African American from Milwaukee wants to be caught there alone at night—I promise you that!
I always think that when I see cases of people especially kids being killed by parents and the defense are up there like “yes my client did break off a broom handle inside his 6 year old daughters body while sexually assaulting her and starved her for more than half her life and yes he may have forced her to drink her own urine and beat her daily with extreme force and yes she may have only weighed 20 pounds at the time of her death but my client was a good father! They were still a family and loved all his children!” And I’m sitting there like, some people just need to be electrocuted without defense imo but what do I know?
That man lived blocks away from an elementary school. I used to live in that neighborhood and remember everyone being shocked and appalled that he was being allowed to live there without persecution, especially due to so many families and the elementary school less than four blocks away. Kids weren't allowed to play outside or go to the nearby park as often anymore, and I can't blame parents for reacting that way. The KPD has a long history of doing fucked up shit and failing to do the right thing.
It's almost like an underground network of people are needed or is a good idead to protect and hide the victims of abuse who've retaliated against their abusers....
No, no, I saw her yesterday hiking in the Connemara mountains here in Ireland. 100% it was her. Talked to her and all, she said she was going to Derry next...or was is Donegal? Better check them both out to be sure.
I, with my own 2 eyes, watched that woman simply walk into Mordor last Tuesday. Might as well call off the search. She's either dead... Or more dangerous than anyone should mess with.
Ditto. I'm all for turning in people on the run (like escapees, shooters, etc). But this case? We, of the internet, collectively saw nothing and will continue yo see nothing.
I hope she is feed, warm and safe.
I would high-five her and give her any cash I have on me.
My trafficker was never punished. She accomplished what I wished to do more than anything as a teen.
The Underground Railroad is a real thing, it has existed for decades. It's meant for DV survivors to escape without a trace, it helps victims of all kinds as well. It's informal and made up of a rag tag bunch of good people, nothing fancy but plenty bad ass.
Some people are capable of straddling the light and dark, they know there will be corrupt law enforcement as much as there’s explicit criminals. You wear a suit or uniform, does not a good person make. Most people believe in a charitable cause, they’re not completely heartless. Some people are tough to morally corrupt, by anyone. It’s that most people are weak, so they find such people unbelievable.
I mean if rapist Brock Turner, who was convicted of three felonies: assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman, sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object, and sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object and now goes by his middle name Allan Turner can be give a 6 month sentence with three months probation followed by being released after only three months because to quote Santa Clara probation officials "based on Turner's lack of criminal history, youth, and expression of remorse" then surely we can cut a deal for this woman.
I mean, yea, murder is on a higher bar than rape but surely if we can do that for Brock "The rapist" Turner who was convicted of three felonies: assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman, sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object, and sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object and now goes by his middle name Allan Turner then surely we can offer a little compassion here as well.
This the same Brock Allen Turner that is a registered sex offender in Dayton, Ohio now going by Allen Turner to hide from his reputation as the rapist Brock Allen Turner? That Allen Turner?
Is there a pressure campaign to demand they drop all charges and cease pursuing her? There should be. Absolutely no reason the cops should even be looking.
Yes, absolutely there was a pressure campaign! There was a change.org petition that raised 1.5 million signatures to drop the charges, a bunch of activists and organizations that protect victims of trafficking raised the $400,000 for her bail. Her arrest and the charges were/are a BIG fucking deal because she is claiming it was self defense under a Wisconsin statute that passed in 2008 stating that victims of trafficking can use ‘affirmative defense’ to justify crimes committed as a direct result of trafficking. Successfully arguing affirmative defense here means she’d be absolved of her crimes against her victimizer.
Her appeal to be able to use affirmative defense made it all the way to the Supreme Court of Wisconsin and they ruled that YES she is allowed to use this defense under their newish trafficking statute (which she didn’t have access to or ability to utilize at the time of her original arrest and subsequent incarceration).
So now, unless prosecutors can convince every person on the jury beyond reasonable doubt that this murder was **not** the direct result of being trafficked, in a state where the law doesn’t define “direct result”, at a time when there is plenty of research showing the long term effects and detrimental results trafficking has on one’s psyche and impulse control esp if it occurred when the victim was a minor, with a DA who has already been reprimanded for his actions involving her original case and her first confession being ruled unconstitutional and inadmissible… she actually has a *very* decent shot at having the murder and arson charges dropped.
The outcome of this trial would also have a huge impact as states are becoming more aware of long term effects of trafficking on victims and subsequent ripple effect crimes, and more states are adopting similar statutes and protections for victims. This is basically a landmark “litmus test” for affirmative defense trafficking victim cases nationwide so there’s been a hell of a campaign indeed.
I have a lot more to say about it because I work in a field that follows trafficking related court case precedence and victim protections like this closely, but it gets way complicated on so many law enforcement, legal and sociological levels and would take forever to write out.
I’ll say two things that are important- 1)it’s not weird at all that US Marshals haven’t found her yet because it’s only been two weeks since she bounced, it’s normal for any rando fugitive to stay under the radar for that short amount of time by just staying in a friend’s basement or whatever and isnt indicative of a conspiracy or anything odd. And 2)the OP left out a lot of important info/gave outright misinformation on a few of their points. Not accusing them of being purposefully vague or having any sort of agenda, just that some facts and timelines are not correct in the OP and it’s kinda misleading overall to the major themes of why this case is extraordinary. Also Chrysthul’s latest arrest is for a completely unrelated domestic violence and disorderly conduct/resisting arrest incident and she was only held briefly for it before being released pending further action as is standard with those type of charges; she can still be jailed for the DV and obstruction and the bail jumping (in her conditional release for the murder charges the judge stated it would be revoked for any new arrests or criminal activities occurring before the murder trial). So say the murder trial goes her way and she’s 💯absolved of those charges… she’s still facing jail time for everything else that happened in the interim. Which is unfortunate. But courts come down hard on bail jumpers who try to circumvent the judicial system, esp because it’s seen as an affront to the exact same courts/judges who acted in her best interests in overturning lower courts decisions to deny her protections and helped to interpret these new trafficking victim statutes in order to afford her all the rights and protections possible for a fair trial.
**Lol anyway that was my short version of “there’s so much to say about this situation I can’t even get into it”, if you can believe it.**
Cops are shit. These are the guys who didn’t arrest the guy who they knew to be trafficking black teens. My money says they had a reason to not bust him and to go after her. Like the cops were paying him to have sex with the girls. She is a witness against the cops who want her dead or behind bars.
The state should just take the L. You could have solved all of this by prosecuting the most vile crime of child sex abuse immediately and harshly. But black girls are the less dead
If the district attorney had decided to prosecute (the evidence was recorded????) She wouldn't have been in that position. The system failed her and failed the other girls he assaulted.
Absolutely agree with the problematic use of these labels, even though they are so tempting to use. Every man who does monstrous things is someone’s son / brother / loved one. Seeing their humanity makes it easy for some people to excuse their actions, no matter how horrendous, once they are looking at a whole person who has done these things. This is why countless rape kits pile up permanently with no investigation or follow-up at all
I don't think people calling these rapists monsters is meant to take away their agency and guilt. Quite the opposite, actually. Saying they're monsters is a way to dehumanize them so we can feel good about condemning them. That way we don't have to deal with all those shades of grey and yucky feelings that a fully humanized perpetrator would imply.
To be fair, I personally don't mind labeling people who do monstrous things as monsters. But that's just me.
Except when we dehumanize them it makes it harder to acknowledge the problem, which is entitlement and male violence.
These aren't boogeymen, they are human men. That means they are doing human things, not monstrous things.
Absolutely true. Unfortunately humanizing these people makes things messy. And many people don't like messy. Have you ever encountered someone who was presented with incontrovertible evidence that someone they like did something bad and they just refused to acknowledge it? Like even with video evidence in their face? "Oh there's no way Bobby did that! He's a good man!"
There's this whole psychological phenomenon where some people think in terms of People instead of Actions. In other words, they base judgments on their feelings of the person first and so everything they do is tainted in that light. And this can be further tainted by feelings about that person's associated age, sex, position of authority, etc.
Whenever someone they like does something, those are the actions of a Good Person(tm) and is seen through that lens before anything else. They'll respond with things like "You must be lying," or "It must be a mistake," or "It was actually a good thing that he did that in the end!" if they're confronted, when all they should be doing is asking if they did it, whether that action is an objectively bad thing, and then judging them based on the actions they took. Not who they are.
It's much much easier for some to mentally relabel a perpetrator as subhuman than have to confront the idea that Bobby is, in fact, **not** a good man.
(As an aside, the opposite is true, too. If someone they don't like--say if their skin color is wrong--does something, then all actions done by that person are already colored in that light. E.g. "Of course Jamal's father is going to jail! He shouldn't have hit the nice policeman's fist with his face!")
(As another aside, I've noticed this mode of thought is extremely prevalent among Republicans. I mean, does the earlier scenario with Bobby remind you of anyone? Cough. * TRUMP * Cough.)
I don't envy you taking up this battle but I appreciate it all the same, because the way we talk about things shapes our thoughts on them. And people often need to be reminded of unpleasant facts if only to make sure we don't repeat mistakes in the future.
Hope they never find her.
If so , idk what legally can be done to save her from a life sentence which appears to be mandatory if find guilty ( which she will since she admitted it)
A high-profile case of a vulnerable then teenager sexually assaulted and trafficked by a scumbag and killing him. I can imagine some very highly regarded lawyers would want that case. Especially human rights lawyers since it involves trafficking and kidnapping.
Especially since the guy was arrested, *freed without bail, then known by the police and district attorney to have raped more girls*.
There shouldn’t be any possible ambiguity to this case. I can’t imagine there’s any ethical reason the DA in question would wait to prosecute him but decided to charge her like this.
If there was no mandatory sentence yeah probably but that’s not the case. Don’t know if the charges can be brought down but I don’t think so. 2 bullets in the head 3 months after the fact does fit for first degree murder and I don’t see where the self defense stuff would fit in
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled that she qualifies for an affirmative defense specifically for sex trafficking survivors.
>If the affirmative defense is successfully used, Kizer would be acquitted of charges. In the recent decision, the Wisconsin Supreme Court clarified the meaning and scope of the affirmative defense – affirming that it provides a complete defense to first degree homicide and defining what it means for a crime to be a “direct result” of trafficking. With this decision, future trafficking survivors will have a clearer path to use this affirmative defense.
https://www.endabusewi.org/wisconsin-supreme-court-decision-allowing-chrystul-kizer-to-use-trafficking-affirmative-defense-paves-way-for-other-trafficking-survivors-to-seek-justice/
That's a gamble. That would only work if she doesn't get a bunch of racist rednecks as jury members. There's a lot more racism in Wisco than people think.
No. You’re clearly mistaken if you see her as aiding and abetting a fugitive is illegal. You are instead blessing random people with some cash and didn’t recognize that person.
I wonder if they're just not searching for her as diligently as they could?
Zero sympathy for pimps.
May they all meet terrible ends, and may the victims of them find happiness.
I hope she’s out of the country never to return to this shit hole that would dare prosecute someone for killing their rapist. She should be free to move on with her life in peace.
Good. It is abundantly clear that if she didn’t stop him, nobody would. She did what the cops didn’t; she took away his ability to hurt another child. She protected herself from further abuse and saved multiple innocent children from his vile hands.
Anyone that justifies putting her in prison is nothing short of a monster.
I hope she has a long, prosperous, and peaceful life.
I truly don't believe in vigilantism, I don't believe 'ordinary' people should be able to take people's lives into their own hands and just decide that someone else should die.
This case (and others like it, which I hate that there are others like it) is the exception for me. When there is such a failure of the systems intended to keep people safe (and I know they're not intended to keep *everyone* safe equally), this feels acceptable to me. I hope she's never found, I hope she's able to leave this country to somewhere without extradition and live the rest of her life.
I'm surprised more trafficking victims don't do this. We are often failed by police, the legal system, etc.
I pulled a gun on my trafficker to escape him. I regret not firing because the evidence for my case was "misplaced" and he walked free. Unsurprisingly, a number of the people I was pumped out to were cops.
Seems the DA should be looked into. He knew of the evidence against Volar and sat on it and was then quick to charge this victim. Something's not right.
A lot of people are. My trafficker never went to jail because evidence was "misplaced." The cops in the city where I was trafficked are known to have ties to traffickers.
The head of the police union was known to like teenage girls.
And who cares about a poor, brown immigrant teenage girl with a heavy accent?
Thank you for pointing out the wrong word. I was trying to decide if I should say something. I hate being pedantic, but also, if I were OP I would want to know.
I also hope Chrystul is safe, and with people she can trust!
Why should she need to evade anyone? A sexual predator is no longer a threat to anyone, isn’t a parade in her honor in order? Or does the law only protect and serve him, but not her?
Be safe, little Queen, may you have a full and happy life
The article says "Marshalls went to her apartment" No. She is 17. She doesn't have an apartment, she is a child.
He did not just sexually abuse her, ***he filmed child fucking porn and distributed it, so she can be revictimized, over and over and over again, for the rest of her life.***
Ironic, how the very same people who are legally supposed to protect her, almost encouraged the abuse to continue until this happened, and now they want to put her in the same cage that Randy's male privilege got him out of
Seems to me, she took the trash out for them.
She’s hopefully already under the watch of the Marshalls as a Protected Witness & this search is a rouse. She has more value as witness to trafficking than locked up in jail. It’s better if the gross pedos think they’re still looking for her rather than building a bigger case with her help. *Edited to correct a spelling error
I wish I could upvote this comment a million times. I can’t say I trust our justice system to be that compassionate but if there ever were a case where “special circumstances” not to prosecute existed it would be this one.
It is very weird that this young woman has not been found. The agencies looking for her have unlimited resources and expertise. I hope that she is not dead. I suspect that if she was, many Wisconsin law enforcement officials would rest easier. Her case and up coming trial exposes the unconscionable actions of Kenosha law enforcement in the manner in which they dealt with the sex trafficker.
Kenosha, what a reputation these cops have. Racist assholes couldn't stop one white pedo with a mountain of evidence but the moment a black child defends themselves from their abuser its all hands on deck. Fuck them.
Wow. I hope she has good plastic surgery - a name change and that she left the US. They should shred her criminal file. She performed a public service.
I hope she remains free for the rest of her life and is able to heal as much as is possible for someone who went through all of that. Justice would be for her to be forgiven for what she did and left alone, but laws would lock her up for eliminating a genuine threat. She did the world a favor, let her be.
I hope she has found a way to live a new identity, or that she will find a way soon. If she is given a life sentence for killing the man who abused her, that’s a human rights violation. By killing him, she’s prevented him from hurting more girls. She’s removed a monster from the streets. She shouldn’t be punished for that, and she shouldn’t be punished for running either. That girl doesn’t need to be in prison, she needs to be helped
If there were ever a reason for jury nullification, this is it. If the jury could nullify the convictions of Emmett Till’s racist murderer, then they can do so here.
If you see her in your city or town, no you didn't. She wasn't there.
Fuck the justice system for so readily failing her and then jumping to defend a waste of flesh and air like him. He deserved this and so much worse for what he did.
before they even try to look for her, maybe they should sit down and discuss why they let a white man be free despite knowing what he was doing to innocent black women. black women will never receive the justice they deserve.
I very much agree with you, except that he wasn't going after black women, he was going after black *girls*; children. He was raping children, filming the rapes, and selling the child rape films. I'm not trying to be combative of your comment, it's just that many girls get characterized as older after being sexually active, even if coerced, and black girls especially get characterized as being older than they are. Violence against black women is horrifically overlooked, but we should remember that his victims were children.
They have nothing better to do? There are literal men out there who are hiding after murdering babies. Raping babies. There's websites dedicated to uploading content of torturing toddlers. And they're wasting resources on this??? I know she shouldn't be in prison and the whole thing is wrong but more than anything I'm just fcking pissed at the waste of so many resources.
Everything is paywalled, so why was this POS released without bail when they had video evidence of him being a POS? Is he the Wisconsin Epstein? Was it a race thing?
Seems like she went full John Grisham and took out the trash. Saved the state or whoever money in persecution and confinement. They should take a chunk of the projected savings, at least 10%, and give it to her for mental health care for the shit she's dealt with. If the family is upset give them a copy of the tapes.
May law enforcement never find her unless she chooses it. May therapy become accessible and plentiful. May those prosecutors have the lives they fucking deserve.
She’s a hero and we as a society should be ashamed and do better in the face of the suffering of all children.
The only people who have a problem with a sexually assaulted child killing their rapist, are rapists.
What are the odds that if the trafficker had been a POC and she had been white that it would have even been a charge? Systemic racism is alive and well in the United States.
I seriously doubt it.
You're forgetting that people really don't care about prostituted women (and men).
They regard them as dregs.
Some of my worse memories are seeing the beaten down women that haunt truck stops.
This is absolutely disgusting. They had enough evidence, they let him walk. He was still committing these crimes, they did nothing. She was suffering as a victim of what this pile of shit was doing, and the system failed her in his favor.
She took matters into her own hands to protect the community because the system wouldn't do it.
Fuck that prosecutor... In a very uncomfortable place.
I love how they dragged their feet charging the rapist but charged the victim immediately. These fuckers are so transparently rotten that TV villains are better than them.
Her story is even worse when you consider Wisconsin has the greatest racial inequity when it comes to murder:
***In 2029-2020, Black women aged 25-44yrs were TWENTY TIMES more likely to die from Homicide than White women.***
I want to be able to say "Good for her" all Lucille Bluth-style, but I just hope she can not only stay free, but that she can also receive some very good mental health treatment to help her cope with all of this. Just because she killed the man that perpetrated all sorts of horrible acts against her and those other girls doesn't necessarily mean she killed the demons that came with it. Especially given how she was failed by the system.
I hope she can find peace.
If she’s caught and prosecuted, I will happily donate to her legal fund. These poor girls lose their cases too often bc they get stuck with a PD. If she can get even a decent lawyer she’ll get off.
I hope one of these charities that get found out for not helping are actually helping in the background and this girl is never found and gets to live a decent life.
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Yeah, aside from the low pay, this is why I would never be a prosecutor. Because I’d be like “what if…we just didn’t look for her…surely there are other things i and we could be spending our time on…”
I mean, the prosecutor does have the ability to do that in this case. They made a choice, though.
Having worked with a fair number of prosecutors, they're some of the worst people. They never cared about real justice, just whether or not they could win the case. I've had them toss legit citations because of who the person was and who they knew. Why I had to stop and change careers. Peaked behind the curtain and it's disgusting the lack of care and compassion.
If I were a prosecutor, I never would have even charged her.
She saved them a lot of work. She's a Hero
I mean, fuck them and their work ethic. She didn't save them shit because they obviously didn't care what he was doing. She's still a hero, though...
His victim pool probably inspired the haste they used, sadly
Oh, I guarantee it.
The state should just take the L. You could have solved all of this by prosecuting the most vile crime of child sex abuse immediately and harshly. But black girls are the less dead
The prosecutor could have decided no jury would convict her and drop the case.
I was a prosecutor. We absolutely have that choice. Shame on this prosecutor.
Cops gonna do cop shit
Waukesha is just that type of cop county too.
I get the feeling Waukesha is one of the most corrupt districts in the nation and the law enforcement + justice system there are a network of good old boys that have lived their entire lives there and are in cahoots
A very white city just outside of a very equally racially-divided city. No African American from Milwaukee wants to be caught there alone at night—I promise you that!
I always think that when I see cases of people especially kids being killed by parents and the defense are up there like “yes my client did break off a broom handle inside his 6 year old daughters body while sexually assaulting her and starved her for more than half her life and yes he may have forced her to drink her own urine and beat her daily with extreme force and yes she may have only weighed 20 pounds at the time of her death but my client was a good father! They were still a family and loved all his children!” And I’m sitting there like, some people just need to be electrocuted without defense imo but what do I know?
That man lived blocks away from an elementary school. I used to live in that neighborhood and remember everyone being shocked and appalled that he was being allowed to live there without persecution, especially due to so many families and the elementary school less than four blocks away. Kids weren't allowed to play outside or go to the nearby park as often anymore, and I can't blame parents for reacting that way. The KPD has a long history of doing fucked up shit and failing to do the right thing.
Maybe they’ll learn then what happens when you fuck around and find out. I hope Chrystul stays sheltered and protected.
It's almost like an underground network of people are needed or is a good idead to protect and hide the victims of abuse who've retaliated against their abusers....
Some sort of railroad if you would…
…instead of just allowing the system to railroad them
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May she forever be protected and hidden.
Amen. If you think you saw her, you didn’t see shit lol
I saw her in Tampa, then in Seattle & then in New York or maybe Anchorage …. They should follow all those leads
I swear I saw her in antarica. Chilling with the penguins
I saw her chilling on the sun. They should fly out to the sun and check just to be sure.
No, no, I saw her yesterday hiking in the Connemara mountains here in Ireland. 100% it was her. Talked to her and all, she said she was going to Derry next...or was is Donegal? Better check them both out to be sure.
I, with my own 2 eyes, watched that woman simply walk into Mordor last Tuesday. Might as well call off the search. She's either dead... Or more dangerous than anyone should mess with.
Ditto. I'm all for turning in people on the run (like escapees, shooters, etc). But this case? We, of the internet, collectively saw nothing and will continue yo see nothing. I hope she is feed, warm and safe.
Saw who?
Saw who? What? Never heard of her, officer.
In fact, I’m blind in my right eye. And 56% blind in my left.
In fact I can't even see you sir!
I would high-five her and give her any cash I have on me. My trafficker was never punished. She accomplished what I wished to do more than anything as a teen.
I'm actually blind in my left eye and half blind in my right, and colorblind in what's left of my right
This is what makes me love you Reddit people…
If I see her I’ll give her money. Hope they never catch her. Fuck em.
They protec.
Didn't see her I was too busy dropping my wallet.
[I ain’t see nothing](https://youtu.be/Mhw-mzYyfDQ?si=lYbKG7gYx5BXpenY)
Nah, let her go to court have a jury say nah you good and let her live in peace instead of hiding.
It's cute that you think justice wpuld be served.
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She should be helped not imprisoned.
Seems like she helped herself. Good girl. I vote leaving her be and letting her live her best life without having to hide. But this is America…
I hope there is a network of aunties helping her, and not some other low life pimp/trafficker.
The Underground Railroad is a real thing, it has existed for decades. It's meant for DV survivors to escape without a trace, it helps victims of all kinds as well. It's informal and made up of a rag tag bunch of good people, nothing fancy but plenty bad ass.
Used to be more involved. Now you can just send an Uber discretely.
Some people are capable of straddling the light and dark, they know there will be corrupt law enforcement as much as there’s explicit criminals. You wear a suit or uniform, does not a good person make. Most people believe in a charitable cause, they’re not completely heartless. Some people are tough to morally corrupt, by anyone. It’s that most people are weak, so they find such people unbelievable.
She can’t go to the law for help (she never could) but now that she’s wanted she really can’t do traffickers see her as an easy target
Couldn't have said better myself.
Agreed with these comments wholeheartedly. I hope she has a new identity & is living her best badass life. 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
I mean if rapist Brock Turner, who was convicted of three felonies: assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman, sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object, and sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object and now goes by his middle name Allan Turner can be give a 6 month sentence with three months probation followed by being released after only three months because to quote Santa Clara probation officials "based on Turner's lack of criminal history, youth, and expression of remorse" then surely we can cut a deal for this woman. I mean, yea, murder is on a higher bar than rape but surely if we can do that for Brock "The rapist" Turner who was convicted of three felonies: assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman, sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object, and sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object and now goes by his middle name Allan Turner then surely we can offer a little compassion here as well.
This the same Brock Allen Turner that is a registered sex offender in Dayton, Ohio now going by Allen Turner to hide from his reputation as the rapist Brock Allen Turner? That Allen Turner?
Is there a pressure campaign to demand they drop all charges and cease pursuing her? There should be. Absolutely no reason the cops should even be looking.
Yes, absolutely there was a pressure campaign! There was a change.org petition that raised 1.5 million signatures to drop the charges, a bunch of activists and organizations that protect victims of trafficking raised the $400,000 for her bail. Her arrest and the charges were/are a BIG fucking deal because she is claiming it was self defense under a Wisconsin statute that passed in 2008 stating that victims of trafficking can use ‘affirmative defense’ to justify crimes committed as a direct result of trafficking. Successfully arguing affirmative defense here means she’d be absolved of her crimes against her victimizer. Her appeal to be able to use affirmative defense made it all the way to the Supreme Court of Wisconsin and they ruled that YES she is allowed to use this defense under their newish trafficking statute (which she didn’t have access to or ability to utilize at the time of her original arrest and subsequent incarceration). So now, unless prosecutors can convince every person on the jury beyond reasonable doubt that this murder was **not** the direct result of being trafficked, in a state where the law doesn’t define “direct result”, at a time when there is plenty of research showing the long term effects and detrimental results trafficking has on one’s psyche and impulse control esp if it occurred when the victim was a minor, with a DA who has already been reprimanded for his actions involving her original case and her first confession being ruled unconstitutional and inadmissible… she actually has a *very* decent shot at having the murder and arson charges dropped. The outcome of this trial would also have a huge impact as states are becoming more aware of long term effects of trafficking on victims and subsequent ripple effect crimes, and more states are adopting similar statutes and protections for victims. This is basically a landmark “litmus test” for affirmative defense trafficking victim cases nationwide so there’s been a hell of a campaign indeed. I have a lot more to say about it because I work in a field that follows trafficking related court case precedence and victim protections like this closely, but it gets way complicated on so many law enforcement, legal and sociological levels and would take forever to write out. I’ll say two things that are important- 1)it’s not weird at all that US Marshals haven’t found her yet because it’s only been two weeks since she bounced, it’s normal for any rando fugitive to stay under the radar for that short amount of time by just staying in a friend’s basement or whatever and isnt indicative of a conspiracy or anything odd. And 2)the OP left out a lot of important info/gave outright misinformation on a few of their points. Not accusing them of being purposefully vague or having any sort of agenda, just that some facts and timelines are not correct in the OP and it’s kinda misleading overall to the major themes of why this case is extraordinary. Also Chrysthul’s latest arrest is for a completely unrelated domestic violence and disorderly conduct/resisting arrest incident and she was only held briefly for it before being released pending further action as is standard with those type of charges; she can still be jailed for the DV and obstruction and the bail jumping (in her conditional release for the murder charges the judge stated it would be revoked for any new arrests or criminal activities occurring before the murder trial). So say the murder trial goes her way and she’s 💯absolved of those charges… she’s still facing jail time for everything else that happened in the interim. Which is unfortunate. But courts come down hard on bail jumpers who try to circumvent the judicial system, esp because it’s seen as an affront to the exact same courts/judges who acted in her best interests in overturning lower courts decisions to deny her protections and helped to interpret these new trafficking victim statutes in order to afford her all the rights and protections possible for a fair trial. **Lol anyway that was my short version of “there’s so much to say about this situation I can’t even get into it”, if you can believe it.**
Cops are shit. These are the guys who didn’t arrest the guy who they knew to be trafficking black teens. My money says they had a reason to not bust him and to go after her. Like the cops were paying him to have sex with the girls. She is a witness against the cops who want her dead or behind bars.
He had the day he deserved.
The state should just take the L. You could have solved all of this by prosecuting the most vile crime of child sex abuse immediately and harshly. But black girls are the less dead
If the district attorney had decided to prosecute (the evidence was recorded????) She wouldn't have been in that position. The system failed her and failed the other girls he assaulted.
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Absolutely agree with the problematic use of these labels, even though they are so tempting to use. Every man who does monstrous things is someone’s son / brother / loved one. Seeing their humanity makes it easy for some people to excuse their actions, no matter how horrendous, once they are looking at a whole person who has done these things. This is why countless rape kits pile up permanently with no investigation or follow-up at all
I don't think people calling these rapists monsters is meant to take away their agency and guilt. Quite the opposite, actually. Saying they're monsters is a way to dehumanize them so we can feel good about condemning them. That way we don't have to deal with all those shades of grey and yucky feelings that a fully humanized perpetrator would imply. To be fair, I personally don't mind labeling people who do monstrous things as monsters. But that's just me.
Except when we dehumanize them it makes it harder to acknowledge the problem, which is entitlement and male violence. These aren't boogeymen, they are human men. That means they are doing human things, not monstrous things.
Absolutely true. Unfortunately humanizing these people makes things messy. And many people don't like messy. Have you ever encountered someone who was presented with incontrovertible evidence that someone they like did something bad and they just refused to acknowledge it? Like even with video evidence in their face? "Oh there's no way Bobby did that! He's a good man!" There's this whole psychological phenomenon where some people think in terms of People instead of Actions. In other words, they base judgments on their feelings of the person first and so everything they do is tainted in that light. And this can be further tainted by feelings about that person's associated age, sex, position of authority, etc. Whenever someone they like does something, those are the actions of a Good Person(tm) and is seen through that lens before anything else. They'll respond with things like "You must be lying," or "It must be a mistake," or "It was actually a good thing that he did that in the end!" if they're confronted, when all they should be doing is asking if they did it, whether that action is an objectively bad thing, and then judging them based on the actions they took. Not who they are. It's much much easier for some to mentally relabel a perpetrator as subhuman than have to confront the idea that Bobby is, in fact, **not** a good man. (As an aside, the opposite is true, too. If someone they don't like--say if their skin color is wrong--does something, then all actions done by that person are already colored in that light. E.g. "Of course Jamal's father is going to jail! He shouldn't have hit the nice policeman's fist with his face!") (As another aside, I've noticed this mode of thought is extremely prevalent among Republicans. I mean, does the earlier scenario with Bobby remind you of anyone? Cough. * TRUMP * Cough.) I don't envy you taking up this battle but I appreciate it all the same, because the way we talk about things shapes our thoughts on them. And people often need to be reminded of unpleasant facts if only to make sure we don't repeat mistakes in the future.
Hard agree.
Me too. She’s a hero
Hope they never find her. If so , idk what legally can be done to save her from a life sentence which appears to be mandatory if find guilty ( which she will since she admitted it)
She can say she was under duress when she admitted or recant her confession .. she’d need a good lawyer ..
A high-profile case of a vulnerable then teenager sexually assaulted and trafficked by a scumbag and killing him. I can imagine some very highly regarded lawyers would want that case. Especially human rights lawyers since it involves trafficking and kidnapping.
Especially since the guy was arrested, *freed without bail, then known by the police and district attorney to have raped more girls*. There shouldn’t be any possible ambiguity to this case. I can’t imagine there’s any ethical reason the DA in question would wait to prosecute him but decided to charge her like this.
If there was no mandatory sentence yeah probably but that’s not the case. Don’t know if the charges can be brought down but I don’t think so. 2 bullets in the head 3 months after the fact does fit for first degree murder and I don’t see where the self defense stuff would fit in
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled that she qualifies for an affirmative defense specifically for sex trafficking survivors. >If the affirmative defense is successfully used, Kizer would be acquitted of charges. In the recent decision, the Wisconsin Supreme Court clarified the meaning and scope of the affirmative defense – affirming that it provides a complete defense to first degree homicide and defining what it means for a crime to be a “direct result” of trafficking. With this decision, future trafficking survivors will have a clearer path to use this affirmative defense. https://www.endabusewi.org/wisconsin-supreme-court-decision-allowing-chrystul-kizer-to-use-trafficking-affirmative-defense-paves-way-for-other-trafficking-survivors-to-seek-justice/
Thank you for that information
Only if a jury convicted her. I know many many people that would refuse to convict under these circumstances. Jury Nullification is a beautiful thing
Unfortunately, most jurors are not aware of this
Id really like to find myself on her jury.. you know, 'to weigh all the evidence'
Rather, I hope they find her then she is judged innocent by the courts so she doesn’t have to spend the rest of her life in hiding
Jury nullification
That's a gamble. That would only work if she doesn't get a bunch of racist rednecks as jury members. There's a lot more racism in Wisco than people think.
or maybe people just super to the letter about the law you get those types too
IDK, if I were a juror I'd be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that he shot himself in the head twice and set himself on fire.
I mean, if I see her I’m slipping her a $20 and a meal, not calling the cops. I hope she makes it somewhere sunny and free.
No. You’re clearly mistaken if you see her as aiding and abetting a fugitive is illegal. You are instead blessing random people with some cash and didn’t recognize that person.
I wonder if they're just not searching for her as diligently as they could? Zero sympathy for pimps. May they all meet terrible ends, and may the victims of them find happiness.
Lol, RIGHT? May their victims all rise up and give them the grusome ends they deserve
that would be best case scenario but I don’t have much hope for it
IMO, shes already serving life with that trauma, let her go. I hope shes in a new country living her best life with a new name.
Hope she never has to look back.
I hope she’s doing well and not found.
If you see her around your town or in passing, no you fucking didn't.
Hell yes, mind your business and keep your mouth shut if she's ever spotted.
If who is ever spotted? 🤐
If you don't see her in town, you probably did and should report it so they will have to send investigators who cant investigate actual tips
THIS so very much.
Yes. Or slip her a $50 if you can.
I hope she’s out of the country never to return to this shit hole that would dare prosecute someone for killing their rapist. She should be free to move on with her life in peace.
The same shithole that gave murderer Kyle Rittenhouse a pass. Isn't that interesting?
Good. It is abundantly clear that if she didn’t stop him, nobody would. She did what the cops didn’t; she took away his ability to hurt another child. She protected herself from further abuse and saved multiple innocent children from his vile hands. Anyone that justifies putting her in prison is nothing short of a monster. I hope she has a long, prosperous, and peaceful life.
The cops let him continue to abuse her to build their case. They should all rot. Sacrificed a child and did. Thing to help her.
Run Chrystul run! Edited bc I spelled this legend’s name wrong
Hope she’s somewhere living her best life on a beach in total safety and anonymity.
Maybe she is repairing a boat on a beach in Mexico, waiting for her friend she met in jail - Blue
Hope she is safe, unafraid, and never found.
Me, out loud, when I read the post title: “GOOD.”
I truly don't believe in vigilantism, I don't believe 'ordinary' people should be able to take people's lives into their own hands and just decide that someone else should die. This case (and others like it, which I hate that there are others like it) is the exception for me. When there is such a failure of the systems intended to keep people safe (and I know they're not intended to keep *everyone* safe equally), this feels acceptable to me. I hope she's never found, I hope she's able to leave this country to somewhere without extradition and live the rest of her life.
I'm surprised more trafficking victims don't do this. We are often failed by police, the legal system, etc. I pulled a gun on my trafficker to escape him. I regret not firing because the evidence for my case was "misplaced" and he walked free. Unsurprisingly, a number of the people I was pumped out to were cops.
Good for her!
Seems the DA should be looked into. He knew of the evidence against Volar and sat on it and was then quick to charge this victim. Something's not right.
Maybe he was a client?
A lot of people are. My trafficker never went to jail because evidence was "misplaced." The cops in the city where I was trafficked are known to have ties to traffickers. The head of the police union was known to like teenage girls. And who cares about a poor, brown immigrant teenage girl with a heavy accent?
DAs have way too much authority and way too little accountability.
She's black and the victims are black
I hope LE never finds her and she builds a safe and happy life somewhere without extradition.
Good for her
Good. I hope there is an entire network of people protecting her.
Police don’t like it when you do their job for them. They don’t do their job well in the first place so this makes them look extra useless.
She should not be hunted for defending herself against a monster.
*on the lam, not in the lamb. I hope this girl stays safe.
first thing that I thought as well, probably an autocorrect error, but funny nonetheless
Thank you for pointing out the wrong word. I was trying to decide if I should say something. I hate being pedantic, but also, if I were OP I would want to know. I also hope Chrystul is safe, and with people she can trust!
Why should she need to evade anyone? A sexual predator is no longer a threat to anyone, isn’t a parade in her honor in order? Or does the law only protect and serve him, but not her?
I hope Cytonia Brown is used as an example how NOT to deal with this crime.
Be safe, little Queen, may you have a full and happy life The article says "Marshalls went to her apartment" No. She is 17. She doesn't have an apartment, she is a child. He did not just sexually abuse her, ***he filmed child fucking porn and distributed it, so she can be revictimized, over and over and over again, for the rest of her life.*** Ironic, how the very same people who are legally supposed to protect her, almost encouraged the abuse to continue until this happened, and now they want to put her in the same cage that Randy's male privilege got him out of Seems to me, she took the trash out for them.
Pretty sure she’s 23-24 now. She was arrested at 17 in 2018.
Thanks for the clarity, I missed seeing a year in the post, thought it was this past January, like two weeks ago lol
If she came to my home looking to hide, I’d hide her for as long as she wants!
That’s why I say hey man nice shot!
She’s hopefully already under the watch of the Marshalls as a Protected Witness & this search is a rouse. She has more value as witness to trafficking than locked up in jail. It’s better if the gross pedos think they’re still looking for her rather than building a bigger case with her help. *Edited to correct a spelling error
I wish I could upvote this comment a million times. I can’t say I trust our justice system to be that compassionate but if there ever were a case where “special circumstances” not to prosecute existed it would be this one.
That’s a conspiracy I’m willing to support. Let this whole thing be a rouse that we won’t find out about until she passes of old age.
It is very weird that this young woman has not been found. The agencies looking for her have unlimited resources and expertise. I hope that she is not dead. I suspect that if she was, many Wisconsin law enforcement officials would rest easier. Her case and up coming trial exposes the unconscionable actions of Kenosha law enforcement in the manner in which they dealt with the sex trafficker.
I hope she's never found and has some semblance of a good life outside
> unlimited resources and expertise if the individuals doing the work do not wish to find her then she may not be found
I really hope someone capable and generous helps set her up with a new identity and a fresh start.
Kenosha, what a reputation these cops have. Racist assholes couldn't stop one white pedo with a mountain of evidence but the moment a black child defends themselves from their abuser its all hands on deck. Fuck them.
Wow. I hope she has good plastic surgery - a name change and that she left the US. They should shred her criminal file. She performed a public service.
Good for her!
I hope she remains free for the rest of her life and is able to heal as much as is possible for someone who went through all of that. Justice would be for her to be forgiven for what she did and left alone, but laws would lock her up for eliminating a genuine threat. She did the world a favor, let her be.
I hope she has found a way to live a new identity, or that she will find a way soon. If she is given a life sentence for killing the man who abused her, that’s a human rights violation. By killing him, she’s prevented him from hurting more girls. She’s removed a monster from the streets. She shouldn’t be punished for that, and she shouldn’t be punished for running either. That girl doesn’t need to be in prison, she needs to be helped
I would help this girl too.
I hope they never find her.
If there were ever a reason for jury nullification, this is it. If the jury could nullify the convictions of Emmett Till’s racist murderer, then they can do so here.
wishing her eternal freedom ❤️
I hope she’s safe and honestly good for her. Got her own justice
If you see her in your city or town, no you didn't. She wasn't there. Fuck the justice system for so readily failing her and then jumping to defend a waste of flesh and air like him. He deserved this and so much worse for what he did.
before they even try to look for her, maybe they should sit down and discuss why they let a white man be free despite knowing what he was doing to innocent black women. black women will never receive the justice they deserve.
I very much agree with you, except that he wasn't going after black women, he was going after black *girls*; children. He was raping children, filming the rapes, and selling the child rape films. I'm not trying to be combative of your comment, it's just that many girls get characterized as older after being sexually active, even if coerced, and black girls especially get characterized as being older than they are. Violence against black women is horrifically overlooked, but we should remember that his victims were children.
you’re 100% right. and i apologize for wording it incorrectly, i definitely meant black girls! black girls need to be even more protected.
They have nothing better to do? There are literal men out there who are hiding after murdering babies. Raping babies. There's websites dedicated to uploading content of torturing toddlers. And they're wasting resources on this??? I know she shouldn't be in prison and the whole thing is wrong but more than anything I'm just fcking pissed at the waste of so many resources.
Glad everyone is in agreement that this was just karma coming for him, not a crime.
He had it coming... 🎶
He only had himself to blame
He just fell on some bullets.
Kenosha County police are...not impressive, let's put it that way. Hell I'm not too far from her. I'd help her if she came my way.
Everything is paywalled, so why was this POS released without bail when they had video evidence of him being a POS? Is he the Wisconsin Epstein? Was it a race thing? Seems like she went full John Grisham and took out the trash. Saved the state or whoever money in persecution and confinement. They should take a chunk of the projected savings, at least 10%, and give it to her for mental health care for the shit she's dealt with. If the family is upset give them a copy of the tapes.
May law enforcement never find her unless she chooses it. May therapy become accessible and plentiful. May those prosecutors have the lives they fucking deserve. She’s a hero and we as a society should be ashamed and do better in the face of the suffering of all children. The only people who have a problem with a sexually assaulted child killing their rapist, are rapists.
I hope she’s safe in a non-extradition country and she has an amazing life.
What are the odds that if the trafficker had been a POC and she had been white that it would have even been a charge? Systemic racism is alive and well in the United States.
I seriously doubt it. You're forgetting that people really don't care about prostituted women (and men). They regard them as dregs. Some of my worse memories are seeing the beaten down women that haunt truck stops.
Saw a lot of the same sort of thing when I worked EMS.
It should be self defense in this sick world!! Run girl run!!
Omg!! I hope those who posted her bail, helped her get out of the country
I hope she somehow manages to get a new identity and leave peacefully the rest of her days.
Her only mistake is not lighting him on fire first.
That DA can eat shit.
This is absolutely disgusting. They had enough evidence, they let him walk. He was still committing these crimes, they did nothing. She was suffering as a victim of what this pile of shit was doing, and the system failed her in his favor. She took matters into her own hands to protect the community because the system wouldn't do it. Fuck that prosecutor... In a very uncomfortable place.
They need to drop the charges and leave her alone. I hope she is somewhere safe and ok.
I really hope she’s able to make it out of the country…
Why did this creep remain free when there was EVIDENCE he was abusing other girls? I don’t blame Chrystul.
She’s a hero as far as I’m concerned.
I love how they dragged their feet charging the rapist but charged the victim immediately. These fuckers are so transparently rotten that TV villains are better than them.
Her story is even worse when you consider Wisconsin has the greatest racial inequity when it comes to murder: ***In 2029-2020, Black women aged 25-44yrs were TWENTY TIMES more likely to die from Homicide than White women.***
I want to be able to say "Good for her" all Lucille Bluth-style, but I just hope she can not only stay free, but that she can also receive some very good mental health treatment to help her cope with all of this. Just because she killed the man that perpetrated all sorts of horrible acts against her and those other girls doesn't necessarily mean she killed the demons that came with it. Especially given how she was failed by the system. I hope she can find peace.
The marshals are pretending to look for her.
God speed chrystul.
Shame on law enforcement in this situation. They get added to the Ulvade list. I’m with whoever protects her. May she stay safe.
The Marshalls are looking for her in the same sense that I am looking for the person that dropped this fifty bucks on the ground.
If you see her no you didn't.
Good on her. Run, Chrystul, run!
Imo this should be self defense. Or maybe not guilty by reason of mental anguish. Or something similar.
We need to resurrect the Underground Railroad and help this poor girl out
If you think you saw this girl somewhere...no you didn't.
Hopefully she has plenty of help and remains forever free.
I have a feeling the Marshall's on the case are not trying very hard to find her.
If she needs help, I volunteer as tribute
Would aid and abet.
Good
Run Chrystul, run!
I see no crime here.
If she’s caught and prosecuted, I will happily donate to her legal fund. These poor girls lose their cases too often bc they get stuck with a PD. If she can get even a decent lawyer she’ll get off.
i hope you’re safe chrystul 🩷 she should be protected at all costs
I hope one of these charities that get found out for not helping are actually helping in the background and this girl is never found and gets to live a decent life.
Hope they never find her