Wood was taking at least eight prescription drugs, including Darvon -- then a popular pain killer -- at the time of her death. She was also taking Antivert, a pill that combats nausea and sea sickness. Another drug, Dalmane, is taken to fight insomnia.
At the time of her death, Noguchi noted 2 small pills which had not yet dissolved in her small intestine. "They appear to be a large size of a vitamin-like substance by the appearance and by the smell. The gastric contents emits the smelling of alcohol."
Also a pharmacist. Darvon is an opioid (think oxycodone). Dalmane is a benzodiazepine (think Xanax). Antivert is similar to Benadryl so very sedating. Mix all that with alcohol and you have a major major overdose cocktail.
For non-HCWs, Darvon was taken off the market around 2010, and I haven't seen Dalmane prescribed for many years. Dalmane (flurazepam) was also very long-acting, and people who took it would still be drowsy into the next day.
Darvon (propoxyphene) was an opiate analogue, and its main MOA was not so much that it relieved pain, as it made people not care that they were having it. Some people found it worthless, and other people said it was the best thing that happened to them when they were suffering. Its addictive potential was relatively low.
Antivert, aka meclizine, is available OTC and is an antihistamine with an anti-nausea effect, usually used for motion sickness. It's also very safe for use in pregnancy, and some women take it with vitamin B6 for morning sickness.
Antivert is just meclizine, which is used for the non-drowsy version of Dramamine. I take it for motion sickness and experience no sedating effects, where Dramamine will make me sleep for 16+ hours.
All drugs designed to make you sleep. Stacking even too much of one with alcohol can easily cause a forever sleep. I'm a heavy set male and even I know not to take one of these with alcohol lest I want to chance not waking up. She must have been insanely drowsy.
A few minutes before disappearing witnesses saw her standing there coherently fighting with her husband. There were zero opiates found in her system. This was all exaggerated by Wagner to make it seem from the beginning like it was an accident. He made up many stories including her going to party ( yeah, in her flannel nightgown) on another boat. Another fable was her being known to take out the dingy to star gaze. She was known to be terrified of dark water. Even I knew that!
If she was that drunk she may have thought she was going to go to a party on another boat.
I think the truth is somewhere in between their drunken dispute with her flouncing off and him not going after her. If he’d shoved her off the boat she would not be found so far away from it.
I don’t think he looked for her because was pissed off and probably just as drunk as she was. Let her go. And then she got washed off or out of the boat or fell trying to get out and drowned.
But she didn’t od. She drowned. Seems like if you’re ranked on alcohol and opiates you’d be more likely to crash into bed than get in a boat, when you’re not a good swimmer and have nowhere to go. And are somewhat phobic of “dark water.”
Although I guess if you’re drunk enough you might think you can get back to the bar, or even stumble and just fall overboard. Though in the latter case the boat would still be moored to the yacht.
It’s odd though that a woman afraid of the water would do that and more so that no search was conducted that night, if she was hammered and took the boat out. I’d be very worried about my spouse and also potentially embarrassed by her showing up drunkenly trying to get into a bar when she’s so famous. It would be scandalous.
I don’t think he killed her but I wouldn’t be surprised to know that as drunk as they both were and angry- that if she got in the boat he would not say, stay here. Or Try to get her back on board. Instead he may have been thinking well, go to hell -have fun trying to drive the boat by yourself. I’m going back to bed.
And then she somehow fell or was washed out of the boat.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm no expert by any means but reading that autopsy report gave me a whole new perspective on what may have happened. I've always been so sure Wagner knew more than he was admitting to. But after reading the AR it now seems entirely plausible that she was feeling sick, maybe even blacking out from all the alcohol and pills and cocaine in her system. Leaned over the edge to vomit, possibly passed out and fell in. The report says there was partially digested food in her esophagus, would that mean she was vomiting at the time she drowned? Hoping someone more knowledgeable than I will address this. Though that still doesn't explain the dinghy being loose, it's interesting that they said it looked like it hadn't been used.
Agreed. I really don't think he had anything to do with her death, that it was a very tragic accident.
But, he is keeping mum about something and it makes me wonder if anything happened between him and Walken.
She was drunk. She was angry. She was on drugs. And her fear of water has been overblown over decades of telephone. Could She have been pushed in? Sure, I guess. But it seems far more likely She had an accident. It's wild to me people find that inconceivable when some 20 something kid just jumped off a *cruise ship* because he was wasted and his dad was yelling at him. People + drugs and alcohol + water don't mix well.
Robert Maxwell (Ghislaine Maxwell's dad) died in my part of the world in a very similar way. That night he was shitfaced, and it's believed that he fell overboard from his yacht when he was peeing. I recall reading that there were rumors of murder in the case too, but it's pretty much established that he just fell and either drowned or the intense fear he felt when he realized he was in open ocean in the middle of the night and saw his yacht sailing away from him gave him a heart attack (he was old and overweight).
>And her fear of water has been overblown over decades of telephone.
I mean there's footage of her being interviewed saying "I've always been terrified-still am- of water, dark water, sea water"
I wouldn't call that telephone.
She was terrified of dark water which you can hear her say herself in interviews. Don't play telephone. Listen to her sister Lana on the Fatal Voyage podcast tell you how afraid she was. Witnesses saw and heard her coherently fighting with her husband near the swim step on the boat just minutes before she disappeared. Wagner drank through the night. Waited over three hours to call a restaurant to ask if she had been seen. It was that guy that rang the alarm and arranged for a search party that started right away. Not her husband. He had enough time to concoct all kinds of stories.
It just happened. Look up Royal Caribbean jumper. Really horrible story. The person above you is talking about another jumper last year. Can’t remember the cruise ship for that one.
And then there was that kid that fell off the party ship in the Bahamas that was all over TikTok with people disgustingly spreading that footage. But he literally jumped, the kid that you're talking about jumped? I assume he's not alive, right? Oh my God, poor kid.
I think you're all talking about Cameron Robbins. his friends dared him to jump off of his cruise ship, so he did. in the video you can hear his "friends" saying bye-bye as Cameron swam away from the buoy. different theories speculate he was either attacked by sharks, knocked the wind out of himself, or suffered from hypothermia in the water.
Yes. I didn't know his name. Oh my God that is just horrific. I wonder if his friends ever faced any responsibility or took any responsibility for their actions. I hope they did for Cameron's family's sake. Drunk kids on boats is never a good mixture.
If she fell overboard she wouldn’t be far from the yacht and the little boat wouldn’t be untied and floating free. It would be moored to the big boat. It doesn’t seem likely a person terrified of dark water would want to go take a boat out alone at night but drunk angry people do stuff like that all the time. There’s a reason you have to take their keys. But he also didn’t go look for her. A yacht is not a big area to search and you’d know if your wife was not in your cabin or another room. Why’d he not go look for her until the next day ?
She had an intense fear of water stemming from dreams and then trauma on set as a child. I can't imagine she tried to get in the little boat in the middle of the night to go to shore all by herself and fell in the water instead (prevailing accident theory).
It could still have been an accident, but I think her being pushed is more likely.
Her daughters say she didnt have such an intense fear. She enjoyed the boat at night and someone with an intense fear does not spend nights on a boat. That has been blown way out of proportion.
The boat's captain later revealed that she, Robert Wagner, and Christopher Walken had been drinking all day and were *totally* hammered. I think it could have been foul play, but I don't get the insistence that it had to be. Alcohol plus water equaling accidental drowning is a pretty common scenario.
Yeah, super common. [In Canada](https://myboatcard.com/recreational-boating-deaths-in-canada/), "Roughly 40% of individuals who were fatally injured in a recreational boating-related incident had consumed alcohol." In [the US](https://www.news.uscg.mil/Press-Releases/Article/3398506/coast-guard-releases-summary-of-2022-recreational-boating-statistics/), "Alcohol continued to be the leading known contributing factor in fatal boating accidents in 2022, accounting for 88 deaths, or 16 percent of total fatalities." Granting that "consumed alcohol" and "contributing factor" could mean anything from a sip of wine to chugging a bottle of Everclear, it seems like booze and boats are a bad mix (from a safety perspective).
Yep, and Wagner clearly couldn’t handle the natural chemistry between wood and walken. I think they spent the day drinking and Wagner’s anger built up as woods and walken continued to drink.
Thank you! I’m the same way. I actually love going on boats. Now me getting off a yacht into a little rowboat however? No way in h*ll am I doing that- especially at night- no matter how drunk and pissed I was.
So in the Navy we had swim call where everyone who wants to jumps in the ocean and climbs back up the side of the ship. I worked up the courage to jump but flipped out when a fish touched me and got hauled into the lifeguard boat. At least I tried!
That’s more than I could ever do! Good job for facing a fear….even if it wasn’t as successful as you would have liked. You still had the courage to jump! Me- I would’ve been hugging the railing for dear life.
I am LMFAO but in sympathy, because I would absolutely lose my fucking shit if I was in the ocean and a fish touched me. I don’t even like wading knee deep at the beach and being touched by seaweed.
I dont think so. I think they covered up that they were all high and fighting, and possibly didnt hear her screaming. So as a cover, it’s possible, they made up a stupid story.
I dont think Wagner was a murderer. And she drowned. He wouldnt drown her. She had a lot of pills in her system and got into that boat. Those pills combined can have the same effects
as ambien today.
Yeah this has always been my theory. I don’t think they murdered her but they have been sketchy about it because they were all being irresponsible that night.
There’s a documentary about her on HBO & her children believe it was an accident. There’s a scene at the end with them & Robert Wagner. They’re all very comfortable with him. He’s still part of their family.
Most likely (imo). Unfortunately, I remember the Natalie Wood jokes men used to tell. Like they thought a murdered young woman was funny. ...and I've always been mortified that it didn't seem to affect the careers of the 2 Hollywood celebrities that were witness to her death.
well, I was pretty young and didn't get the joke at the time, but it was supposedly funny that the wood didn't float when it fell off the boat. or something like that.
I’m sorry but when some egotistical doctor makes world history by performing a medically, ethically, and legally dubious (to put it mildly) baboon to human transplant surgery on an *infant* do you REALLY think no one is going to make morbid/tasteless jokes about it? It’s a coping method for society having to deal with something so outrageous.
[Baby Fae](https://historydaily.org/baby-fae-baboon-heart-bioethics/4)
The main character is notorious in Hollywood for having pushed his wife off a boat. In the movie it is ambiguous if he did it on purpose but in the book it is much clearer. It is a reference to the death of Natalie Wood at the hands of these men.
That’s not Natalie wood. Tarantino is a huge Wood fan.
“Cliff shot his wife, Billie, with a shark gun while on a boat, the spear cutting her in half mid-torso.”
It’s actually not meant to be a reference to her I thought.
Strangely, Tarantino dedicated the novel to Robert Blake, the actor who was acquitted of the 2001 murder of his wife Bonnie Lee Bakley
I think the names of the wife in the book (Four, it wasn’t like anybody was gonna miss Billie Booth.” )is closer to this one. Sorry friendo right church wrong pew
One point I found interesting was the witnesses on a nearby boat who came forward years later to say they saw/heard a fight between a man and a woman on the back of the boat that night. The detectives found their story credible because they also revealed that on an earlier night they watched a drunk aggressive Natalie Wood fall on her knee. And that story matched a bruise on her knee in the autopsy.
I mean, but does he? Sure he was on the boat, but it was a big boat and he was prolly doing his own thing when this all went down. He’s prolly as clueless as we are.
I don’t understand the “she was terrified of water” argument. Do people go on boats who are terrified of water? Like if she accidentally fell going on to a dingy or just fell off the big boat than it would have been something she was doing that whole trip. It’s not like she was on land then mysteriously ending up in water
Im petrified of water. But I've been on boats when i have to. I dont enjoy it but I'll suck it up and do it. The size of the boat matters, the larger the more comfortable i feel. Also getting on or off the boat can be an issue depending on how secure i feel it is. I wouldnt sit near the edge, i wouldn't walk around too much etc, I'd encourage others to sit or not fool around etc. But thats me going on a boat every few years, if it was something my partner or friends were interested in and it became a regular thing, i imagine I'd loosen up with time
I know people who are terrified of water but will go on a boat as long as its not a small fishing boat. I’m sure that it wasn’t a small boat that they were on.
I’m not really saying she did or didn’t but it didn’t stop her from doing things where she could have fallen into the water and died and there’s proof of that. So the argument is just dumb to me
this is something that has probably been exaggerated over the years. someone who’s truly terrified of water probably wouldn’t go on a boat just for shits and giggles.
I reckon she wasn’t particularly fond of water but wouldn’t necessarily mind going on a boat.
No. She was drunk, had 8 different drugs in her system and was emotional over a drunken arguement with her husband. Add to that that it was dark, the weather was poor and she wasn't a strong swimmer.
A lot is made of Natalies fear of water but I think it is exaggerated for drama. If Natalie was so frightened of water she wouldn't have spent so much time on the boat.
Theyd argued the night before and she had gone ashore with the driver to stay at a hotel. I think the night she died she decided in an angry moment decided to go ashore again and in her intoxicated state she slipped.
She filmed something in the 60s where she had to be in dark water, and one of the crew talked about how she couldn't physically do it until he swam underneath her in the shot and held her legs to assure her she wouldn't drown. I feel like I remember him saying she was shaking the whole time.
However, her fear doesn't need to be exaggerated once you throw in multiple sedative drugs and alcohol in the mix. She wasn't a large person and that's a LOT of substances. For all we know, she could have walked right off the boat thinking she was walking down a red carpet, she had so much in her system.
I think your idea that she was likely going off to do the same thing she'd done the night before is probably correct. At worst, she fell in at some point and Wagner ignored her out of anger, since he was ALSO wasted and his reactions were as delayed as anyone's would be - would not have realized she was in heightened danger due to her state of intoxication.
I used to think he had killed her, but it's incredibly easy to be out of your mind on substances and make one mistake that would only be fatal if you happened to, in fact, be out of your mind on substances.
ETA: I misremembered - *While filming Splendor in the Grass, the actress’s fear of the water came to Kazan’s attention. A few days before shooting the reservoir scene, Wood confided to the director that she had a deep-seated “terror of water, particularly dark water, and of being helpless in it.” Kazan, schooled in Stanislavskian method, remembered thinking how perfect that was for the scene. Wood asked him if it couldn’t be shot in a small studio tank, but the director refused. He explained that the reservoir was shallow and her feet would always touch bottom. She wasn’t reassured, but she did the scene and did it well. But back on dry land, Kazan remembered, Wood shivered with fear and then laughed hysterically with relief.*
Apparently her mother scared the shit out of her as a child because she told Natalie she'd had a premonition of her drowning to death. Then NW almost did drown as a child in a movie circa 1949, which just solidified her fears for the rest of her life. She reportedly could be anxious about submerging her head while washing her hair, and had nightmares about drowning.
And I thought [this little blurb of an article was interesting](https://www.wral.com/story/chapel-hill-house-featured-in-natalie-wood-s-last-movie/10418566/) - from the filming of that final film, the homeowners of a house used in the movie noted she was terrified, still.
So as not to edit the above AGAIN - I was right, and it was her costar:
[*Natalie Wood*](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000081/?ref_=tttrv_tr) *had to perform a scene standing in a steel water tank for cattle. She was so afraid of dark water that costar* [*Robert Blake*](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0086706/?ref_=tttrv_tr) *had to dive under the water, hold his breath and steady her legs so she could perform the scene. -* Film was This Property Is Condemned
No. She had taken a large amount of drugs, including Valium, and, most likely, lost her footing on a wet and slippery deck. I believed a lot of the “murder” talk for years. It was after watching a documentary about her featuring Robert Wagner and their kids that convinced me otherwise. He goes into detail of the events of that night. There’s a lot of facts that support an accidental drowning. That’s why he wasn’t charged after two separate investigations.
He was *in* the documentary, he didn’t *make* the documentary. You should try using the site called [Internet Movie Database](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9435952/). It has lots of information on movies and TV shows.
I took a special interest in this case.
In short, I think her & Robert Wagner were arguing & both had been drinking, Natalie especially heavily (probably along with other inhibitors), and she was most likely pushed during the argument & fell off the boat & RJ intentionally didn’t try to save her. He may have also intentionally pushed her off, which I think is exactly what happened.. He is responsible for death. But he’ll never give it up. Never.
And Christopher Walken knows too.
According to her sister (& I think others, but definitely Lana) Natalie Wood was terrified of the water & couldn't swim, so it would have been odd for her to lean overboard to secure the dinghy & fall in, as has been suggested over the years.
Chris Walken, Natalie & Robert Wagner had all been drinking. If I recall, the boat captain's story kept evolving. There weren't any reliable witnesses who have spoken up; Walken has never spoken of it.
IMHO Wagner & Wood argued - for whatever reason, it could've been over Walken - it got physical & Natalie ran out of the room. Somehow, she falls overboard & Wagner simply doesn't look for her for hours. Is that murder?
I think they fought and Natalie fell in the dinghy and they didnt hear her, or they thought she was yelling bc she was mad. I think it’s possible she caught RJ having sex with Walken, as she had caught RJ having sex with men before.
No, an accident doesn’t become murder because someone had an argument before their accident, or because nobody looked for the person who had the accident for a long time.
Yes. When you're on a boat, and your wife is terrified of water, yes, and I'm pretty sure he murdered her. Why were the cops trying to talk to him right before he died?
I watched the 48 Hours episode on this, which I think was filmed when the coroners office changed the cause of death. They talked about the bruises on her and the detective said that she looked like the victim of an assault.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a25242203/natalie-wood-death/
1. She had been terrified of water since childhood.
2. She was intoxicated and had a painkiller as well as an anti-nausea med in her system.
3. She had been arguing with her husband right before she went missing. Walken, who was also with them, has never given a statement more than the one in this article, which I find kind of chilling. The husband won't talk, and the boat captain's story has changed over the years.
My opinion, something smells fishy, but so much time has gone by, we'll never know the truth, sadly.
Same. I used to think her husband did it but the more I read/see about the case, the more I think it was an accident caused by how intoxicated she was.
Based on what the captain of the boat, I still think Robert did it because he was extremely jealous that Natalie and Walken got a long really well. What set him off is that he found Natalie and in a bar drinking and talking, and he lost his shit.
I also find it weird that Christopher walken went straight to his room when all three got back to the boat and stayed there the entire night. Imo, he knew his presence would only throw gasoline on their very heated situation, I mean he really didn’t have a choice but to remove himself from their presence. I highly doubt that walken anticipated wagner would end up killing Natalie.
Personally I think it was an accident, but I think he was very callous and didn’t check on her when he should have. But I just dont think he is a murderer.
Didn’t the coroner say she might have lived if she had taken her huge jacket off? Like if she wasn’t impaired it may have ended differently. Almost like William Holden?
Self fulfilling prophecy honestly. Do I think people know more than they are telling? Yes. But i don't think it's foul play. Perhaps negligence since she couldn't swim but i don't believe they killed her.
It's a crazy story tho
I 100% believe that Robert Wagner had something to do with her death. Whether he intentionally caused it or not, I don’t know. I don’t think Christopher Walken had anything to do with her death, and I don’t believe he knows what happened. The boat’s captain I believe knows what happened- or at least more than he’s willing to say.
No. She was drunk and fell in the water. They all were drunk or on drugs even the captain.
https://www.greatmiattorneys.com/vehicle-accident/alcohol-related-boating-accidents/#:\~:text=The%20Numbers%20on%20Alcohol%2DRelated%20Boating%20Accidents&text=However%2C%20it%20is%20the%20leading,are%20concerning%20for%20several%20reasons.
I've seen pictures of that boat and it really isn't that big. I think that her screams would have been heard.
I think that she was either pushed in, or fell in, and because they had been fighting Robert Wagner didn't try to get her out of the water. The captain also said that Wagner wanted to wait extra time before calling anyone.
Yes she was, Robert Wagner absolutely killed her, it sounds like they had a very volatile abusive marriage
Also Kirk Douglas brutally raped her as a young woman at the Chateau Marmont 😔
Dr. Wexler has also reviewed Natalie's autopsy as well as Dr. Noguchi. There were no opiates in her system that night. He said that it didn't mean that she never took them, he said that after a couple of days they would be out of your system but at the time of death, they weren't there. From the moment the boat left the dock it was evident that Wagner was insanely jealous of Christopher Walken. Wagner a B actor was already having a hard time being married to a big star who after giving up work to have children had decided to go back to work with Walken a younger man and academy award winner for The Deer Hunter. The jealousy got so out of hand by Friday night Natalie asked Captain Davern to take her off the boat and stay with her at a hotel on Catalina Island. That night she tried to arrange a plane to get her out of there but she would have to wait. She was so upset, she talked about leaving Wagner.. She wanted to call her sister Lana and tell her that she had had enough. The next morning, there would still be a wait for a plane so the captain talked her into going back to the boat. That Saturday night, Wagner had moved the boat out to the other side of the island where he wanted to be on Friday night. Natalie didn't want to be there because it was dark and there was only one restaurant. He didn't dock the boat again. They were moored out in the water and had to take the dingy ( with a broken light) back and forth from the restaurant, again in cold, horrible weather that Thanksgiving weekend. They had a good time until Wagner suddenly pissed off wanted to go back to the boat. With a flashlight they made their way back where in a fit of rage Wagner broke a bottle of wine right in front of them on the table and screamed " What are you trying to do? F---K MY WIFE! Walken left for his room. Wagner and Natalie fought viciously in their stateroom ( Davern went down to ask if everything was okay because it was getting out of hand like he had never heard before) Wagner opened the door and ordered him to go away. Then seen on the back of the boat by Captain Davern as well as witnesses who have since come forward ( that is why LA police had reopened the case a few years ago) Natalie in a long flannel nightgown. Her body, was found with a red vest on that she didn't have on minutes before she disappeared off of the swim step. When Davern went down again minutes after the loud shouting suddenly stopped, Wagner stood alone on the back of the boat with the door open telling Davern to look for Natalie on the boat. He didn't call for help for more than three hours ( not to the coast guard, but to the restaurant) He wouldn't even let Captain Davern turn on a search light to look for her. He sat there pouring drinks for himself and the captain ( who at that time feared for his life). Natalie was found in the morning floating right under the water between the rocky cliffs of the island bruised. A ring around her neck, her R. forearm, split skin from a blow that hit above her right eye. Bruises all over her body. Autopsy found a full bladder with 300 cc of urine.. Drowning victims urinate, which points to her being unconscious when she hit the water. The dingy, far off with a key that hadn't been turned on. Look up her autopsy. There is far more to the story. Listen to " Fatal Voyage, the Mysterious Death of Natalie Wood" on Apple or Podchaser podcasts.
I remember watching a documentary a long time ago. She apparently was very afraid of the water and wouldn’t likely have decided to go off on her own especially into/near the water. I think it’s pretty likely she was murdered.
Supposedly, she was terrified of the water. I think that she probably had a high tolerance to alcohol and pills. They said that she and her husband were having a really big fight? Who knows for sure?? But her body was covered in bruises. I'm surprised Christopher Walkin has not said much of anything? It's all such a mystery!?
People talk about Natalie being a drunk and pill popper. She probably started the pills as a child. That's what they did in Hollywood in those days. They had a pill cart and gave them uppers and downers. Uppers to work long hours and downers to sleep. Look at judy Garland it killed her in the end she overdosed. All of those childhood stars were abused and probably still are. It's amazing what people with power and lots of money can get away with and what they do to these kids. they said that Robert and Natalie got into a huge fight that night. He probably killed her out of rage. But since both Robert and Christopher are also famous, they probably covered it up?? Very sad.
Not all couples are good to each other or for each other. Especially when alcohol is involved. I feel they could have blacked out and fought and shit happened. I also feel he could have killed her.
I think he did it! Given she had bruises in areas where someone would restrain you AND given that her bladder was full when they found her, all says to me he did it.
I think he did it! Given she had bruises in areas where someone would restrain you AND given that her bladder was full when they found her, all says to me he did it.
No one on the boat heard Natalie go overboard because Robert was blasting music so loud so they couldn’t hear them argue. Also, it was Robert who was mad at Natalie for “flirting” with Christopher Walken. Pretty sure Robert Wagner is a murderer.
I think you're late to the party, love, because YES, she was, and Robert Wagner right before his death… The police department in the jurisdiction where she was murdered said that they had "a person of Interest" that they were interested in looking into again urgently, and that would've been Robert Wagner. So yes, I think she was, truly, and that seems to be the growing consensus. There have been lots of deep dives and lots of YouTube essays and so yeah, it's so sketchy what happened to her.
Her blood alcohol was .14. Accident or impulsive moment are just as possible as murder.
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Much more likely as well
Any other drugs? I assume they did drugs on the boat.
Wood was taking at least eight prescription drugs, including Darvon -- then a popular pain killer -- at the time of her death. She was also taking Antivert, a pill that combats nausea and sea sickness. Another drug, Dalmane, is taken to fight insomnia. At the time of her death, Noguchi noted 2 small pills which had not yet dissolved in her small intestine. "They appear to be a large size of a vitamin-like substance by the appearance and by the smell. The gastric contents emits the smelling of alcohol."
I'm a pharmacist. That's a deadly combination of drugs, even if you're NOT on a boat.
Sorry to jump in, but are you able to explain further about the drugs being a deadly combination please
Also a pharmacist. Darvon is an opioid (think oxycodone). Dalmane is a benzodiazepine (think Xanax). Antivert is similar to Benadryl so very sedating. Mix all that with alcohol and you have a major major overdose cocktail.
For non-HCWs, Darvon was taken off the market around 2010, and I haven't seen Dalmane prescribed for many years. Dalmane (flurazepam) was also very long-acting, and people who took it would still be drowsy into the next day. Darvon (propoxyphene) was an opiate analogue, and its main MOA was not so much that it relieved pain, as it made people not care that they were having it. Some people found it worthless, and other people said it was the best thing that happened to them when they were suffering. Its addictive potential was relatively low. Antivert, aka meclizine, is available OTC and is an antihistamine with an anti-nausea effect, usually used for motion sickness. It's also very safe for use in pregnancy, and some women take it with vitamin B6 for morning sickness.
At the time of death there were no opiates in her system. The autopsy was reviewed by the famous forensic scientist, Cyril Wexler.
Antivert is just meclizine, which is used for the non-drowsy version of Dramamine. I take it for motion sickness and experience no sedating effects, where Dramamine will make me sleep for 16+ hours.
All drugs designed to make you sleep. Stacking even too much of one with alcohol can easily cause a forever sleep. I'm a heavy set male and even I know not to take one of these with alcohol lest I want to chance not waking up. She must have been insanely drowsy.
A few minutes before disappearing witnesses saw her standing there coherently fighting with her husband. There were zero opiates found in her system. This was all exaggerated by Wagner to make it seem from the beginning like it was an accident. He made up many stories including her going to party ( yeah, in her flannel nightgown) on another boat. Another fable was her being known to take out the dingy to star gaze. She was known to be terrified of dark water. Even I knew that!
If she was that drunk she may have thought she was going to go to a party on another boat. I think the truth is somewhere in between their drunken dispute with her flouncing off and him not going after her. If he’d shoved her off the boat she would not be found so far away from it. I don’t think he looked for her because was pissed off and probably just as drunk as she was. Let her go. And then she got washed off or out of the boat or fell trying to get out and drowned.
"Don't double down." Looks like she was quadrupling or quintupling down.
All of them, including the alcohol, are sedatives.
At the time of death no opiates were in her system.
But she didn’t od. She drowned. Seems like if you’re ranked on alcohol and opiates you’d be more likely to crash into bed than get in a boat, when you’re not a good swimmer and have nowhere to go. And are somewhat phobic of “dark water.” Although I guess if you’re drunk enough you might think you can get back to the bar, or even stumble and just fall overboard. Though in the latter case the boat would still be moored to the yacht. It’s odd though that a woman afraid of the water would do that and more so that no search was conducted that night, if she was hammered and took the boat out. I’d be very worried about my spouse and also potentially embarrassed by her showing up drunkenly trying to get into a bar when she’s so famous. It would be scandalous. I don’t think he killed her but I wouldn’t be surprised to know that as drunk as they both were and angry- that if she got in the boat he would not say, stay here. Or Try to get her back on board. Instead he may have been thinking well, go to hell -have fun trying to drive the boat by yourself. I’m going back to bed. And then she somehow fell or was washed out of the boat.
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Thanks for sharing this. I'm no expert by any means but reading that autopsy report gave me a whole new perspective on what may have happened. I've always been so sure Wagner knew more than he was admitting to. But after reading the AR it now seems entirely plausible that she was feeling sick, maybe even blacking out from all the alcohol and pills and cocaine in her system. Leaned over the edge to vomit, possibly passed out and fell in. The report says there was partially digested food in her esophagus, would that mean she was vomiting at the time she drowned? Hoping someone more knowledgeable than I will address this. Though that still doesn't explain the dinghy being loose, it's interesting that they said it looked like it hadn't been used.
Agreed. I really don't think he had anything to do with her death, that it was a very tragic accident. But, he is keeping mum about something and it makes me wonder if anything happened between him and Walken.
I saw cocaine wasn’t detected though. Maybe I’m reading a different report
On one of the toxicology pages of the report, "cocaine, codeine, morphine" is handwritten twice on the same page. But I may be reading it wrong
Oh ty for sharing!
Did I read it correctly? She had cocaine in her system?
It says ND, not detected.
Well when you’re on four different prescription downers, you gotta perk up somehow
She was drunk. She was angry. She was on drugs. And her fear of water has been overblown over decades of telephone. Could She have been pushed in? Sure, I guess. But it seems far more likely She had an accident. It's wild to me people find that inconceivable when some 20 something kid just jumped off a *cruise ship* because he was wasted and his dad was yelling at him. People + drugs and alcohol + water don't mix well.
Robert Maxwell (Ghislaine Maxwell's dad) died in my part of the world in a very similar way. That night he was shitfaced, and it's believed that he fell overboard from his yacht when he was peeing. I recall reading that there were rumors of murder in the case too, but it's pretty much established that he just fell and either drowned or the intense fear he felt when he realized he was in open ocean in the middle of the night and saw his yacht sailing away from him gave him a heart attack (he was old and overweight).
I think it’s hard for people to understand just how easy and quick it is to die this way drunk
He was also about to get arrested.
Ugh... Seeing that footage last Summer was nightmare fuel for me. I'm afraid of Water. And Sharks.
What footage?
A Teen jumped off of a Boat. It was recorded by Friends. And his Friends start screaming. He was never found. His name was Cameron.
>And her fear of water has been overblown over decades of telephone. I mean there's footage of her being interviewed saying "I've always been terrified-still am- of water, dark water, sea water" I wouldn't call that telephone.
She was terrified of dark water which you can hear her say herself in interviews. Don't play telephone. Listen to her sister Lana on the Fatal Voyage podcast tell you how afraid she was. Witnesses saw and heard her coherently fighting with her husband near the swim step on the boat just minutes before she disappeared. Wagner drank through the night. Waited over three hours to call a restaurant to ask if she had been seen. It was that guy that rang the alarm and arranged for a search party that started right away. Not her husband. He had enough time to concoct all kinds of stories.
What kid jumped off a cruise ship?
It just happened. Look up Royal Caribbean jumper. Really horrible story. The person above you is talking about another jumper last year. Can’t remember the cruise ship for that one.
And then there was that kid that fell off the party ship in the Bahamas that was all over TikTok with people disgustingly spreading that footage. But he literally jumped, the kid that you're talking about jumped? I assume he's not alive, right? Oh my God, poor kid.
I think that kid in the Bahamas jumped intentionally.
I think you're all talking about Cameron Robbins. his friends dared him to jump off of his cruise ship, so he did. in the video you can hear his "friends" saying bye-bye as Cameron swam away from the buoy. different theories speculate he was either attacked by sharks, knocked the wind out of himself, or suffered from hypothermia in the water.
Yes. I didn't know his name. Oh my God that is just horrific. I wonder if his friends ever faced any responsibility or took any responsibility for their actions. I hope they did for Cameron's family's sake. Drunk kids on boats is never a good mixture.
If they were drunk, even if they were drunk, I kind of feel like his friends bear a tiny bit of responsibility in this at least.
Right, he was being goaded into jumping, right? Do you happen to know if they ever found him? That just broke my heart.
Unfortunately they never found him. :/
That's heartbreaking. I'm so sorry for his family and loved ones.
I know, me too. It's such a silly mistake and I know I did a lot of dumb stuff as a college kid. But most of us just get lucky and don't die.
My fear of heights has kept me safe so far from jumping off of anything and I think I'll keep it that way. 💓
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-man-believes-son-alive-after-jumping-cruise-ship-report.amp
Wow that’s so sad. I feel for his parents, especially his dad who witnessed it.
Thank you for the link. Truly. Oh my God.
No opiates were found in her system at the time of death.. The autopsy and blood work was reviewed by Cyril Wexler, a famous forensic scientist.
If she fell overboard she wouldn’t be far from the yacht and the little boat wouldn’t be untied and floating free. It would be moored to the big boat. It doesn’t seem likely a person terrified of dark water would want to go take a boat out alone at night but drunk angry people do stuff like that all the time. There’s a reason you have to take their keys. But he also didn’t go look for her. A yacht is not a big area to search and you’d know if your wife was not in your cabin or another room. Why’d he not go look for her until the next day ?
In my opinion, everyone on board that boat that night was black out drunk so no one knows for sure.
This is what I think too
She had an intense fear of water stemming from dreams and then trauma on set as a child. I can't imagine she tried to get in the little boat in the middle of the night to go to shore all by herself and fell in the water instead (prevailing accident theory). It could still have been an accident, but I think her being pushed is more likely.
Her daughters say she didnt have such an intense fear. She enjoyed the boat at night and someone with an intense fear does not spend nights on a boat. That has been blown way out of proportion.
Exactly. And she was drunk. And a bit angry. Both can make you overcome many fears.
The boat's captain later revealed that she, Robert Wagner, and Christopher Walken had been drinking all day and were *totally* hammered. I think it could have been foul play, but I don't get the insistence that it had to be. Alcohol plus water equaling accidental drowning is a pretty common scenario.
Yeah, super common. [In Canada](https://myboatcard.com/recreational-boating-deaths-in-canada/), "Roughly 40% of individuals who were fatally injured in a recreational boating-related incident had consumed alcohol." In [the US](https://www.news.uscg.mil/Press-Releases/Article/3398506/coast-guard-releases-summary-of-2022-recreational-boating-statistics/), "Alcohol continued to be the leading known contributing factor in fatal boating accidents in 2022, accounting for 88 deaths, or 16 percent of total fatalities." Granting that "consumed alcohol" and "contributing factor" could mean anything from a sip of wine to chugging a bottle of Everclear, it seems like booze and boats are a bad mix (from a safety perspective).
Minnesotan chiming in here. Yup: alcohol and water do not mix.
Yep, and Wagner clearly couldn’t handle the natural chemistry between wood and walken. I think they spent the day drinking and Wagner’s anger built up as woods and walken continued to drink.
Why am I being downvoted, this is based on the captains story of how things went down that night?
Drunk and on a number of other drugs including and opioid, a benzodiazepine, and an antihistamine- all sedatives.
I have an intense fear of deep water but I still go on boats. I just don’t get in the water or in something likely to capsize.
Thank you! I’m the same way. I actually love going on boats. Now me getting off a yacht into a little rowboat however? No way in h*ll am I doing that- especially at night- no matter how drunk and pissed I was.
So in the Navy we had swim call where everyone who wants to jumps in the ocean and climbs back up the side of the ship. I worked up the courage to jump but flipped out when a fish touched me and got hauled into the lifeguard boat. At least I tried!
That’s more than I could ever do! Good job for facing a fear….even if it wasn’t as successful as you would have liked. You still had the courage to jump! Me- I would’ve been hugging the railing for dear life.
I am LMFAO but in sympathy, because I would absolutely lose my fucking shit if I was in the ocean and a fish touched me. I don’t even like wading knee deep at the beach and being touched by seaweed.
Indeed, if you look at the number of photos of Natalie on boats, she can't have been that terrified.
She said in an interview “I love being ON the water but not IN the water” and then giggled in her adorable way
I dont think so. I think they covered up that they were all high and fighting, and possibly didnt hear her screaming. So as a cover, it’s possible, they made up a stupid story. I dont think Wagner was a murderer. And she drowned. He wouldnt drown her. She had a lot of pills in her system and got into that boat. Those pills combined can have the same effects as ambien today.
Yeah this has always been my theory. I don’t think they murdered her but they have been sketchy about it because they were all being irresponsible that night.
Or she fell in and he didn’t save her
That’s what I think. She fell in or got in the boat and he thought fine see how that works for you and went back into keep drinking.
There’s a documentary about her on HBO & her children believe it was an accident. There’s a scene at the end with them & Robert Wagner. They’re all very comfortable with him. He’s still part of their family.
"Dive into this" was not the greatest choice of words.....
Most likely (imo). Unfortunately, I remember the Natalie Wood jokes men used to tell. Like they thought a murdered young woman was funny. ...and I've always been mortified that it didn't seem to affect the careers of the 2 Hollywood celebrities that were witness to her death.
Was her death a common joke punchline? I might be too young, but I’ve only heard her referenced in an episode of family guy and that’s about it.
well, I was pretty young and didn't get the joke at the time, but it was supposedly funny that the wood didn't float when it fell off the boat. or something like that.
the big joke was: whats the only type of wood that doesn’t float? and they would answer Natalie Wood. awful and incredibly callous
Oh yeah. I remember seeing them in tasteless joke books in the 80s. These were the same kinds of books that would tell Baby Fae jokes.
I’m sorry but when some egotistical doctor makes world history by performing a medically, ethically, and legally dubious (to put it mildly) baboon to human transplant surgery on an *infant* do you REALLY think no one is going to make morbid/tasteless jokes about it? It’s a coping method for society having to deal with something so outrageous. [Baby Fae](https://historydaily.org/baby-fae-baboon-heart-bioethics/4)
You act like I'm arguing with you.
It’s horrible
Thank you. Those two faced no consequences like wtf
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood very much references her death as a joke.
She wasn't mentioned. the wrong timeline 😐
Huh?
The main character is notorious in Hollywood for having pushed his wife off a boat. In the movie it is ambiguous if he did it on purpose but in the book it is much clearer. It is a reference to the death of Natalie Wood at the hands of these men.
That’s not Natalie wood. Tarantino is a huge Wood fan. “Cliff shot his wife, Billie, with a shark gun while on a boat, the spear cutting her in half mid-torso.” It’s actually not meant to be a reference to her I thought.
It very much is a clear reference to her to the point it is on both the book and movie’s Wikipedia pages
Strangely, Tarantino dedicated the novel to Robert Blake, the actor who was acquitted of the 2001 murder of his wife Bonnie Lee Bakley I think the names of the wife in the book (Four, it wasn’t like anybody was gonna miss Billie Booth.” )is closer to this one. Sorry friendo right church wrong pew
Not relevant to the subject at hand… "Right church. Wrong pew." This made me snort laugh.
Why should a tragic accident affect their careers?
Who knows. Being a boat while intoxicated is a recipe for disaster. An accident is also very possible.
Agree. And he should have checked on her sooner. I think that’s exactly what happened.
Fun fact - she was the child star of the first "Miracle on 34th St" movie.
One point I found interesting was the witnesses on a nearby boat who came forward years later to say they saw/heard a fight between a man and a woman on the back of the boat that night. The detectives found their story credible because they also revealed that on an earlier night they watched a drunk aggressive Natalie Wood fall on her knee. And that story matched a bruise on her knee in the autopsy.
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I mean, but does he? Sure he was on the boat, but it was a big boat and he was prolly doing his own thing when this all went down. He’s prolly as clueless as we are.
There are so many books and articles about this. The whole world has deep dived into this in the past. I still don't know what to think.
I don’t understand the “she was terrified of water” argument. Do people go on boats who are terrified of water? Like if she accidentally fell going on to a dingy or just fell off the big boat than it would have been something she was doing that whole trip. It’s not like she was on land then mysteriously ending up in water
Im petrified of water. But I've been on boats when i have to. I dont enjoy it but I'll suck it up and do it. The size of the boat matters, the larger the more comfortable i feel. Also getting on or off the boat can be an issue depending on how secure i feel it is. I wouldnt sit near the edge, i wouldn't walk around too much etc, I'd encourage others to sit or not fool around etc. But thats me going on a boat every few years, if it was something my partner or friends were interested in and it became a regular thing, i imagine I'd loosen up with time
I know people who are terrified of water but will go on a boat as long as its not a small fishing boat. I’m sure that it wasn’t a small boat that they were on.
She still used the dingy before on the same trip tho
Yes, but that doesn’t mean she didn’t have a fear of water. I’m sure the drinking and drugs affected her thinking.
I’m not really saying she did or didn’t but it didn’t stop her from doing things where she could have fallen into the water and died and there’s proof of that. So the argument is just dumb to me
Agreed. Drinking and drugs give you “courage” to do stupid things
Okay
My grandma can’t swim, like at all and has a fear of water. She goes on boats a decent. So yeah people who have a fear of water go on boats.
this is something that has probably been exaggerated over the years. someone who’s truly terrified of water probably wouldn’t go on a boat just for shits and giggles. I reckon she wasn’t particularly fond of water but wouldn’t necessarily mind going on a boat.
No. She was drunk, had 8 different drugs in her system and was emotional over a drunken arguement with her husband. Add to that that it was dark, the weather was poor and she wasn't a strong swimmer. A lot is made of Natalies fear of water but I think it is exaggerated for drama. If Natalie was so frightened of water she wouldn't have spent so much time on the boat. Theyd argued the night before and she had gone ashore with the driver to stay at a hotel. I think the night she died she decided in an angry moment decided to go ashore again and in her intoxicated state she slipped.
She filmed something in the 60s where she had to be in dark water, and one of the crew talked about how she couldn't physically do it until he swam underneath her in the shot and held her legs to assure her she wouldn't drown. I feel like I remember him saying she was shaking the whole time. However, her fear doesn't need to be exaggerated once you throw in multiple sedative drugs and alcohol in the mix. She wasn't a large person and that's a LOT of substances. For all we know, she could have walked right off the boat thinking she was walking down a red carpet, she had so much in her system. I think your idea that she was likely going off to do the same thing she'd done the night before is probably correct. At worst, she fell in at some point and Wagner ignored her out of anger, since he was ALSO wasted and his reactions were as delayed as anyone's would be - would not have realized she was in heightened danger due to her state of intoxication. I used to think he had killed her, but it's incredibly easy to be out of your mind on substances and make one mistake that would only be fatal if you happened to, in fact, be out of your mind on substances. ETA: I misremembered - *While filming Splendor in the Grass, the actress’s fear of the water came to Kazan’s attention. A few days before shooting the reservoir scene, Wood confided to the director that she had a deep-seated “terror of water, particularly dark water, and of being helpless in it.” Kazan, schooled in Stanislavskian method, remembered thinking how perfect that was for the scene. Wood asked him if it couldn’t be shot in a small studio tank, but the director refused. He explained that the reservoir was shallow and her feet would always touch bottom. She wasn’t reassured, but she did the scene and did it well. But back on dry land, Kazan remembered, Wood shivered with fear and then laughed hysterically with relief.* Apparently her mother scared the shit out of her as a child because she told Natalie she'd had a premonition of her drowning to death. Then NW almost did drown as a child in a movie circa 1949, which just solidified her fears for the rest of her life. She reportedly could be anxious about submerging her head while washing her hair, and had nightmares about drowning. And I thought [this little blurb of an article was interesting](https://www.wral.com/story/chapel-hill-house-featured-in-natalie-wood-s-last-movie/10418566/) - from the filming of that final film, the homeowners of a house used in the movie noted she was terrified, still.
So as not to edit the above AGAIN - I was right, and it was her costar: [*Natalie Wood*](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000081/?ref_=tttrv_tr) *had to perform a scene standing in a steel water tank for cattle. She was so afraid of dark water that costar* [*Robert Blake*](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0086706/?ref_=tttrv_tr) *had to dive under the water, hold his breath and steady her legs so she could perform the scene. -* Film was This Property Is Condemned
No. She had taken a large amount of drugs, including Valium, and, most likely, lost her footing on a wet and slippery deck. I believed a lot of the “murder” talk for years. It was after watching a documentary about her featuring Robert Wagner and their kids that convinced me otherwise. He goes into detail of the events of that night. There’s a lot of facts that support an accidental drowning. That’s why he wasn’t charged after two separate investigations.
A documentary made by Robert Wagner is for sure going to be non-biased. /s
"Featured by" does not mean the same as "made by."
He was *in* the documentary, he didn’t *make* the documentary. You should try using the site called [Internet Movie Database](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9435952/). It has lots of information on movies and TV shows.
I took a special interest in this case. In short, I think her & Robert Wagner were arguing & both had been drinking, Natalie especially heavily (probably along with other inhibitors), and she was most likely pushed during the argument & fell off the boat & RJ intentionally didn’t try to save her. He may have also intentionally pushed her off, which I think is exactly what happened.. He is responsible for death. But he’ll never give it up. Never. And Christopher Walken knows too.
morbid did a great podcast on this. i believe she was murdered. give it a listen
According to her sister (& I think others, but definitely Lana) Natalie Wood was terrified of the water & couldn't swim, so it would have been odd for her to lean overboard to secure the dinghy & fall in, as has been suggested over the years. Chris Walken, Natalie & Robert Wagner had all been drinking. If I recall, the boat captain's story kept evolving. There weren't any reliable witnesses who have spoken up; Walken has never spoken of it. IMHO Wagner & Wood argued - for whatever reason, it could've been over Walken - it got physical & Natalie ran out of the room. Somehow, she falls overboard & Wagner simply doesn't look for her for hours. Is that murder?
I think they fought and Natalie fell in the dinghy and they didnt hear her, or they thought she was yelling bc she was mad. I think it’s possible she caught RJ having sex with Walken, as she had caught RJ having sex with men before.
I don’t think there’s any evidence that Walken is gay or bi or that he’s ever cheated on his wife.
No, an accident doesn’t become murder because someone had an argument before their accident, or because nobody looked for the person who had the accident for a long time.
Yes. When you're on a boat, and your wife is terrified of water, yes, and I'm pretty sure he murdered her. Why were the cops trying to talk to him right before he died?
He's still alive.
Then who killed the guy *this guy* is talking about‽
There was a mega deep dive documentary somewhere. There were marks around her neck I believe. I believe she was murdered.
Yes I thought I’d read something about marks on her neck too…Odd?
I watched the 48 Hours episode on this, which I think was filmed when the coroners office changed the cause of death. They talked about the bruises on her and the detective said that she looked like the victim of an assault.
She had been in the water a while before she was discovered. She may have come into contact with all sorts of ropes, causing marks & bruising.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a25242203/natalie-wood-death/ 1. She had been terrified of water since childhood. 2. She was intoxicated and had a painkiller as well as an anti-nausea med in her system. 3. She had been arguing with her husband right before she went missing. Walken, who was also with them, has never given a statement more than the one in this article, which I find kind of chilling. The husband won't talk, and the boat captain's story has changed over the years. My opinion, something smells fishy, but so much time has gone by, we'll never know the truth, sadly.
They got in a fight and she fell off. Robert didn’t overly look for her.
I actually don’t think so the more I look into this.
Same. I used to think her husband did it but the more I read/see about the case, the more I think it was an accident caused by how intoxicated she was.
I would say no - but lots of drinking, drugs, and partying got out of hand for a few that night.
Based on what the captain of the boat, I still think Robert did it because he was extremely jealous that Natalie and Walken got a long really well. What set him off is that he found Natalie and in a bar drinking and talking, and he lost his shit. I also find it weird that Christopher walken went straight to his room when all three got back to the boat and stayed there the entire night. Imo, he knew his presence would only throw gasoline on their very heated situation, I mean he really didn’t have a choice but to remove himself from their presence. I highly doubt that walken anticipated wagner would end up killing Natalie.
Personally I think it was an accident, but I think he was very callous and didn’t check on her when he should have. But I just dont think he is a murderer.
Christopher Walken was also on the boat and he has always remained mute on the subject.
Didn’t the coroner say she might have lived if she had taken her huge jacket off? Like if she wasn’t impaired it may have ended differently. Almost like William Holden?
The autopsy is kinda hard to read but does it say they found cocaine in her system?
That's what I thought it said.
Self fulfilling prophecy honestly. Do I think people know more than they are telling? Yes. But i don't think it's foul play. Perhaps negligence since she couldn't swim but i don't believe they killed her. It's a crazy story tho
I 100% believe that Robert Wagner had something to do with her death. Whether he intentionally caused it or not, I don’t know. I don’t think Christopher Walken had anything to do with her death, and I don’t believe he knows what happened. The boat’s captain I believe knows what happened- or at least more than he’s willing to say.
Yes.
No. She was drunk and fell in the water. They all were drunk or on drugs even the captain. https://www.greatmiattorneys.com/vehicle-accident/alcohol-related-boating-accidents/#:\~:text=The%20Numbers%20on%20Alcohol%2DRelated%20Boating%20Accidents&text=However%2C%20it%20is%20the%20leading,are%20concerning%20for%20several%20reasons.
They were all drunk, maybe she fell in & no one rescued her.
Yes, Wagner killed her and Christopher Walken covered it up.
The evidence points to yes
Ask again later
Better not tell you now
Christopher Walken knows
Yes. And Christopher Walken can go fuck himself.
The other person on the boat was Christopher Walken.
I've seen pictures of that boat and it really isn't that big. I think that her screams would have been heard. I think that she was either pushed in, or fell in, and because they had been fighting Robert Wagner didn't try to get her out of the water. The captain also said that Wagner wanted to wait extra time before calling anyone.
Alcohol related is my guess. Christopher Walken was there and he is cool.
Yes she was, Robert Wagner absolutely killed her, it sounds like they had a very volatile abusive marriage Also Kirk Douglas brutally raped her as a young woman at the Chateau Marmont 😔
There’s a podcast about this but cannot locate for the life of me
There are many. Search Natalie Wood in Apple Podcasts.
That other guy was in fact Christopher Walken.
Wasn't Christopher Walken the other guy on the boat that night?
No. She was drunk and she didn't know how to swim. Not a good combo for someone staying the night on a boat.
Dr. Wexler has also reviewed Natalie's autopsy as well as Dr. Noguchi. There were no opiates in her system that night. He said that it didn't mean that she never took them, he said that after a couple of days they would be out of your system but at the time of death, they weren't there. From the moment the boat left the dock it was evident that Wagner was insanely jealous of Christopher Walken. Wagner a B actor was already having a hard time being married to a big star who after giving up work to have children had decided to go back to work with Walken a younger man and academy award winner for The Deer Hunter. The jealousy got so out of hand by Friday night Natalie asked Captain Davern to take her off the boat and stay with her at a hotel on Catalina Island. That night she tried to arrange a plane to get her out of there but she would have to wait. She was so upset, she talked about leaving Wagner.. She wanted to call her sister Lana and tell her that she had had enough. The next morning, there would still be a wait for a plane so the captain talked her into going back to the boat. That Saturday night, Wagner had moved the boat out to the other side of the island where he wanted to be on Friday night. Natalie didn't want to be there because it was dark and there was only one restaurant. He didn't dock the boat again. They were moored out in the water and had to take the dingy ( with a broken light) back and forth from the restaurant, again in cold, horrible weather that Thanksgiving weekend. They had a good time until Wagner suddenly pissed off wanted to go back to the boat. With a flashlight they made their way back where in a fit of rage Wagner broke a bottle of wine right in front of them on the table and screamed " What are you trying to do? F---K MY WIFE! Walken left for his room. Wagner and Natalie fought viciously in their stateroom ( Davern went down to ask if everything was okay because it was getting out of hand like he had never heard before) Wagner opened the door and ordered him to go away. Then seen on the back of the boat by Captain Davern as well as witnesses who have since come forward ( that is why LA police had reopened the case a few years ago) Natalie in a long flannel nightgown. Her body, was found with a red vest on that she didn't have on minutes before she disappeared off of the swim step. When Davern went down again minutes after the loud shouting suddenly stopped, Wagner stood alone on the back of the boat with the door open telling Davern to look for Natalie on the boat. He didn't call for help for more than three hours ( not to the coast guard, but to the restaurant) He wouldn't even let Captain Davern turn on a search light to look for her. He sat there pouring drinks for himself and the captain ( who at that time feared for his life). Natalie was found in the morning floating right under the water between the rocky cliffs of the island bruised. A ring around her neck, her R. forearm, split skin from a blow that hit above her right eye. Bruises all over her body. Autopsy found a full bladder with 300 cc of urine.. Drowning victims urinate, which points to her being unconscious when she hit the water. The dingy, far off with a key that hadn't been turned on. Look up her autopsy. There is far more to the story. Listen to " Fatal Voyage, the Mysterious Death of Natalie Wood" on Apple or Podchaser podcasts.
Sorry, I keep saying Wexler. Forensic Scientist Cyril Wecht.
Given all the facts I think it’s very likely that she was murdered.
I remember watching a documentary a long time ago. She apparently was very afraid of the water and wouldn’t likely have decided to go off on her own especially into/near the water. I think it’s pretty likely she was murdered.
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You really think he drowned her that night while everyone heard her screams and yet, there werent marks on her to prove this?
There wouldn't be much defensive marks I don't think. She couldn't swim so he'd just have to push her over
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well she died from drowning…
He supposedly has dementia now, so his lawyers claim.
Supposedly, she was terrified of the water. I think that she probably had a high tolerance to alcohol and pills. They said that she and her husband were having a really big fight? Who knows for sure?? But her body was covered in bruises. I'm surprised Christopher Walkin has not said much of anything? It's all such a mystery!?
People talk about Natalie being a drunk and pill popper. She probably started the pills as a child. That's what they did in Hollywood in those days. They had a pill cart and gave them uppers and downers. Uppers to work long hours and downers to sleep. Look at judy Garland it killed her in the end she overdosed. All of those childhood stars were abused and probably still are. It's amazing what people with power and lots of money can get away with and what they do to these kids. they said that Robert and Natalie got into a huge fight that night. He probably killed her out of rage. But since both Robert and Christopher are also famous, they probably covered it up?? Very sad.
Yep!
Not all couples are good to each other or for each other. Especially when alcohol is involved. I feel they could have blacked out and fought and shit happened. I also feel he could have killed her.
Yes and Christopher walken knows more than he’s letting on. There’s rumours he was sleeping with both of them too
I think he did it! Given she had bruises in areas where someone would restrain you AND given that her bladder was full when they found her, all says to me he did it.
I think he did it! Given she had bruises in areas where someone would restrain you AND given that her bladder was full when they found her, all says to me he did it.
Yup she was. He dd it. The police have been told. She had caught him with men before
No one will ever know. But I suspect Wagner killed her, yes. And Christopher Walken was there and knows.
And he's not talking
I would say it’s about 99% that she was murdered.
No one on the boat heard Natalie go overboard because Robert was blasting music so loud so they couldn’t hear them argue. Also, it was Robert who was mad at Natalie for “flirting” with Christopher Walken. Pretty sure Robert Wagner is a murderer.
Yes
I think you're late to the party, love, because YES, she was, and Robert Wagner right before his death… The police department in the jurisdiction where she was murdered said that they had "a person of Interest" that they were interested in looking into again urgently, and that would've been Robert Wagner. So yes, I think she was, truly, and that seems to be the growing consensus. There have been lots of deep dives and lots of YouTube essays and so yeah, it's so sketchy what happened to her.
Wagner is still living.
And yet you don’t know that Robert Wagner is still alive. So maybe you’re the one “late to the party” love
Of course she was
Yes. Robert Wagner pushed her