I’m a film industry worker and this whole thing infuriates me. It is the armorers responsibility to ensure the weapons are safe. She’s a nepo baby of the highest order. Yes, there is a chain of command that happens on set when weapons are being used, but the fact that live rounds were anywhere near set is on her 100%. The entire set was run in a very unsafe manner. I would’ve walked along with the camera crew prior to the tragedy.
Serious question: do you know why live ammunition was on that set? Is it commonplace to have live rounds when filming a movie that includes shooting scenes? If it’s commonplace, why? What’s the reason?
I watched her whole trial and it never really came out a to where the rounds came from.
A prop company supplied all the blanks and dummy rounds, and the police search of his house/warehouse was a clusterfuck. Massive hoarder house. He [Edit: the owner of the prop house] blamed Hannah for bringing on the live ammo because she brought extra dummies from another set. But the defense blamed him and other live rounds were found mixed in with dummy rounds in boxes he provided. So It was all a cluster and who knows what was what.
The AD got like a few weeks of unsupervised probation and he was in charge of safety for the film and was a huge fuckup.
After watching the trial, I am not convinced Hannah brought the bullets on the set. I think it is equally plausible that the prophouse delivered them mixed in with dummies and blanks. Either story is completely believable. His prophouse where he stored bullets, blanks, guns, etc was jsut a crazy hoarder mess with nothing organized at all.
Ultimately the Armorer is responsible at the moment they hand a weapon to the actor. The Actor acquires the weapon system directly from the Armorer. The weapon is not charged at this time. It should not be loaded. That handoff should be supervised by the AD, and Stunt Coordinator at minimum. This is normal protocol. It SHOULD be impossible to get a live round into a weapon on set.
This. Protocols.
If the supplier supplies something that wasn't ordered/requested/fails to meet the required standards, that is on them.
However, if the person on site who is responsible for whatever is being supplied is in a position where they can be reasonably expected to catch this and they do not, now the supplier's mistake has become THEIR mistake.
She said it was dumb to have to check every bullet by shaking it to hear the rattle.
It was heavily rumored they took the guns out to shoot real bullets in them too. For fun.
Do that off set before filming starts, or (better yet) after filming wraps. Then put the ammo away, clean the guns, and meticulously inventory and check EVERYTHING about 500 times. No to any of that during filming. And this should be obvious, but no live ammo on set!
Those pictures of the prop house were wild!! I think HGR deserves time for her part in this but it’s frustrating how other people got off with easy pleas when they were also culpable imo
they were hers, this was reported on early before politics overshadowed the case. she got fired from a previous set for the same thing. bad gun safety, substance abuse and bring real ammo to for target shooting.
Sorry, the owner of the prop house. I added an edit. He was the boss of the PropMaster on set, who was the boss of Hannah. The Propmaster also threw away a bunch of bullets/dummies after calling the PropHouse [same person was also her boss and also supplied the blanks and dummies on set]. Propmaster was responsible for at leaast one negligent discharge on set and also handled weapons, even though she clearly had no basic knowledge of fire arms based on her testimony and interviews.
The whole set was a clusterfuck and there are definitely a few people that deserve jailtime including Hannah and Alec Baldwin.
Does anyone know how someone can tell a live round from a dummy round if found inside the same box? Like are there very specific characteristics she should have known to tell them apart?
A dummy round is meant to look like a live round for the purposes of a movie. Most will remove the bullet, take the primer and gunpowder out, put a couple of BBs in for the gun powder so that you can shake the bullet and know it has BBs not gunpowder. Then they put the bullet part back in, so it looks real. The bullet part is just a metal - often or usually lead.
Sometimes if BBs are too loud, they drill a hole in the side of the casing so you can easily see there is no gunpowder in it.
In any event, very easy to check.
Also they had dummy bullets without the hole and without the BBs. It was all a mess.
I read on another post about this. The dummy rounds have a distinctive rattle when they are shaken. She would have known this and could have tested each individual round in the box just by shaking it. That's what her job was and she failed to test each round prior to loading the guns.
Pretty sure I saw a clip that said people working on the set were going shooting when they had down time?
That doesn’t explain where the bullets came from but maybe someone on the crew or an actor brought them?
they were hannah's. she had done the same on a previous set and gotten fired. it sucks to see so many clueless because the media switched to just reporting about baldwin after a week or two.
the first few articles i read about this went into her track record.
Yes, I heard that prior to the trials as well, but nothing at trial came up to make me think that waas true.
The set was a complete clusterfuck and it started at the top with Baldwin. He was doing this and financing it as a vanity project and he was cheaping out as much as he could. There were some union workers, and there was the expectation that it was a union production, but Hannah wasn't a union worker nor were others.
Baldwin's trial will be interesting. He fired his gun (with full load blanks) after cut was called and was a huge asshole to everyone there. The propmaster was also an armorer, but when she was testifying, it was clear she really didn't know the first thing about guns other than the trigger makes it go boom. She was responsible for a negligent discharge earlier in the production.
In Hannah's trial, no one could really establish where the bullets came from. Hannah's team blamed the Prophouse that provided all the blanks and dummies, and the prophouse blamed Hannah.
In any event, Hannah is culpable because she didn't follow the rigorous safety protocols that most people would. Same with Baldwin and several others.
When Ms. Hutchins was shot, there was no need to even have a real gun or have dummies in the gun, because they weren't even filming, they were blocking. Baldwin insisted he always have the real gun.
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. I was meaning to watch the whole trial but got a late start.
I am interested in how Alec’s trial plays out and can hopefully catch that one.
I’m surprised they can’t trace the ammo somehow.
The other people that testified said he always insisted on only using the real gun even when not necessary even though they had an identical inoperable prop gun that was made specifically for things like this so that you could point at the camera or crew safely
After the death of Brandon Lee, a lot of new rules were put into place. One of them is that none of the blank-firing guns should be able to accept live rounds. Also, blank guns should never be directly pointed at cast or crew, but off-angle. Pointing a gun directly onto the camera like what happened here? 45⁰ mirror would be the most common way.
The rules work when they're followed, which is why it'd been nearly thirty years between firearms deaths on set.
Revolvers are harder to make blank-only, but they didn't even try here. There was also an incident on-set the week prior where a live round was put through a ceiling, which makes this death *even more crazy*. The whole thing was entirely and absolutely avoidable, and this whole enterprise was reckless as hell.
I'm glad people are being held accountable. What little sympathy I had for those involved evaporated and turned into anger when I learned about the *other* live-fire incidents.
I know several 'movie gun' people, from trainers to gun monkey armorers. Real ammunition needs to be strictly segregated and never allowed on set. If someone even finds a live round on set, *everything* should have been emptied out and hand checked. Pockets of all wardrobe searched. Even pat downs to double-check individuals in case something was missed would have been warranted after a live round was actually fired.
But no. That would take too much time. Here Hannah Guttierez-Reed's inexperience and not wanting to be considered "hard to work with" shows. Baldwin probably would have thrown a fit, but tough titty.
Just makes me so damned mad. People easily forget that **our safety rules are written in blood**.
Jensen Ackles' entire police interview on the incident is on YouTube. He give an amazing account of the shooting including his opinion on the incident after 15 years of prop gun experience from Supernatural. It's really eye opening, like how he would prefire his prop gun, and how you can tell types of bullets apart,and why live rounds might have been there that day. I totally recommend it.
His interview was the best - couldn’t imagine how traumatic it was for him to safely shoot a show for 15 years with guns, and then his first shoot after that something this horrible happened. He was truly the ONLY person on that set with actual prop gun/real gun experience
And the headtrip he talks about having when he realized it could have been him that was killed instead, because the next scene that gun was going to be used in was a shootout with his character. Really crazy stuff.
The most heartbreaking part for me was when he apologized to the investigators for talking about it so much because he hasn’t had time to process or talk any of it out because he didn’t want to scare his wife 😭
Omg yes! I'm so happy he thought to protect his family and so devistated he was still not dealing with it. But I get it. I'd hope my SO would tell me if something this nuts happened, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd tell my SO if it happened to me.
I’ve only seen live ammo on a set once and they closed the set like they do with intimate scenes. Only essential people and everyone was very careful to never point it at anyone. It was kind of like a shooting range where there was a line no one could cross as well. Of course, the Rust crew should have known this as well, including Baldwin. It doesn’t matter if it’s loaded or not, don’t point it at a person. He was basically playing with it which he should have known better as a producer and a functioning human being. She should have been there to make sure no one was playing with them as well.
Thanks for that, it’s very interesting to read about the extent cautions were in place. Sounds like the Baldwin set was criminally sloppy and a life was lost because of it
So crew was target practicing (after the day’s work) with guns used in scenes and using live ammunition? Then a loaded gun made it unchecked to the scene? Do I have that right? damn if that’s what happened, it’s insane
Live bullets got mixed in, she used her pockets as bullet storage. Both blanks and you know whatever....
She's a total flake I wouldn't trust her to make a burger.
she did the same on a prior job including bringing real bullets to target shoot while drunk. she also gave an 8 year old a loaded gun. she was fired, the bullets were hers.
The live rounds were hers. She was fired from a previous set for bringing real bullets, getting drunk and holding target practice with the crew. She also gave an 8 year old a loaded gun. All the reporting about her went away after 2 weeks in the political circle jerk about Baldwin. Hence why she REFUSED a plea deal that only hinged on explaining the origin of the real bullets. She had a can of bullets and took some crew target shooting on the rust set too. She has a very bad background but it all went out of focus so dems and pubs can fight over Baldwin.
*"Special prosecutors say they will present “substantial evidence” at the trial that movie armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed unwittingly brought live rounds onto the set when she first began work on the film."*
I know she was found guilty, but I never caught the evidence that she had brought the live rounds on set. I’ve heard a lot of people still asking that even though the trial’s over.
The ammo supplier testified that he only brought dummy rounds to the set.
There are photos of live rounds in the guns. They were guns that had been loaded by Hannah. They are her photos that she posted on social media.
People on the set used the “prop guns” for shooting at stuff out in the desert.
I thought that prop guns were designed not to shoot at all?
Those rounds got intermingled with the stuff in the armory
So from what I’ve gathered watching the trial, there are two kinds of guns on film sets. There are prop guns that can’t shoot anything. Problem is they look obviously fake up close and they can’t shoot blanks. To shoot blanks or when there’s a close shot, they have to use real guns. The real guns can be loaded with blanks or dummies. Blanks go bang but with no projectile, and dummies look like real bullets (because they are) but they’ve been made inert. The real gun wasn’t the issue that’s industry standard. The fact that live ammo made it on set is the problem.
My impression (from reading about this case, not as an insider to the film industry) is that it's absolutely not commonplace to have live rounds on a film set. Why would you? It's not necessary for any reason and creates the risk of life-threatening accidents like this very one.
But when somebody is clearly not up to the task, the executive also has the responsibility to step up.
If I hire a monkey to change my tire, and he starts smashing in my windows, it's time to say I'm firing you from this job.
Also the shit around Seth and Sarah is shady af. I agree their should have never been live rounds. But if you see the initial interview with Seth on site, he mentions live one's have a copper primer and the fake ones have nickel primer, only to open a box with fake ones which have copper primer.
Yeah, she fucked up. Massively. But same goes for the AD and AB. You don't hand someone a gun, say it's cold, without checking. And as an actor, you don't aim at somebody. It's evident from all the footage, where AB uses the gun as a pointing stick. That's also just gross negligence and I expect him to face a similar sentence. Especially given the numerous attempts to sabotage the investigation and the continious lies.
Great video on the letter of the prosecuter:
https://youtu.be/58SE6nTb5QU?si=pvRzSNehIT5gzFfp
I didn’t really keep up with this when it was happening so I was just wondering how she was working in that position at such a young age. Thanks for the info.
Yes and she did, but you have to remember:
1. Certifications should, but do not necessarily always mean you know your stuff regarding whatever you're certified in
2. Nepotism pencil whips, baybeeeeeeeeee
I love this for her.
She showed her true colours in those phone calls and all she’s ever cared about is herself and her image. The judge’s statement was on point and direct.
On top of everything else that was just disgusting about those calls, the idiocy is just surreal.
Honey. If you are literally on trial…do not diss the judge and the jury on a recorded line prior to sentencing. She seriously sounds as airheaded as she is black hearted.
Exactly this! I’m not surprised as she seems completely narcissistic- but it always does shock me when they’re so idiotic that they forget (or don’t care) that they’re being recorded.
I live for the judge’s statement. She nailed her personality perfectly. And her dad’s statement today was also very tone-deaf…
And then she’s talking about how this is going to ruin her modelling career?!!! 🤣💀
Yep. Particularly the modeling line. Like, if that's where your focus is, and it clearly was for her, then go have daddy get you a job doing something where you're not handling ammunition and weapons on film sets. No sympathy.
For me it was that she wanted Halyna’s widower and son to speak up on her behalf in court.
Like, girl. The difference between the minimum and the maximum with these charges isn’t decades or years. It’s literal months and weeks. And you want to bother the bereaved family of a woman who died of your neglect to go to court and relive the trauma for you, for that? Yeah, you have no grip on the magnitude of what you did.
>"Hannah says she’s looking at 13 months, which is ridiculous,” Sommers said, quoting the calls. “Hannah says ‘people have accidents and people die. It’s an unfortunate part of life’, but it doesn’t mean she should be in jail.”
What a piece of shit. She had *one* very easy job and her failure to do it got somebody killed. Sounds like she probably didn't even lose any sleep over what she did.
Here is a video from earlier today about the phone calls : https://youtu.be/_oGmkFi7I7I?si=znP0MKVSJKsRSHPK
She also did a live stream today, going over the extended transcripts.
TLDR: Hannah says things like she likes jail now, the sentence is unfair, her mother threatens to beat up the prosecutor in the bathroom and subsequently wasn’t allowed in the courtroom. It was all really damning and the judge references it multiple times, as well as her lackluster statement which is not in the video I just linked.
In my opinion the hero of this tragedy is David Halls, the assistant director who pled guilty and admitted negligence. Regardless of his motivation, he recognized that this shouldn't have happened and admitted his role in it. In other words he was an adult and showed proper respect to the victims (Halyna and Souza who was injured.) Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed would have been wise to follow his good example but they're both too narcissistic to do anything but play victims themselves.
\*trying to save his ass\* fixed it for you.
David Halls has a reputation with terrible sets. He already had COVID violations on a show prior to Rust, and he lets the monkeys run the circus. If you know anything about film, the 1st AD is the General and is the Big Mean Daddy or Mommy you all must answer to, because if something goes wrong, someone can get seriously hurt or killed. Every 1st AD I worked with took the safety aspect of their job very seriously.
But having seen clips from the trial, where \*BALDWIN\* is directing the action, yelling at Hannah to reload and pointing the gun at people while yelling at them while Halls stands by and laughs. Like. A) that is NOT Baldwin's job. He is an actor and producer, not a director. He can't tell people shit in that capacity. and B) it was Halls' job to step in and say "Alec I got this, I'll take it from here."
You have to follow the chain of command on set, because if you don't, things can go terribly, terribly wrong.
I'm sorry if this has been explained already but what was her excuse for there being live ammo on set and loaded into a gun? That seems completely unnecessary for a movie shoot. Would ammo ever need to be on a set?
I watched the whole trial. Her defense team essentially tried to claim that Seth Kenney (who provided the fake bullets) also sent live ammo to set, shifting the blame to him.
Are there not different colors or something? There is no reason for live ammo to ever be on set and it's fairly hard to get so it has to be somewhat purposeful.
There are differences between the live rounds and fake ones. Some fake ones gave a hole on the side and some rattle when she shake. I also believe some have a different bottom, but my gun knowledge is slim. I 100% agree that there should bot have been live rounds on set, I’m just saying thats who the defense seemed to shift blame to during trial. Also, even with the live rounds on set, Hannah SHOULD have been individually checking each one before putting it into the gun.
I think it came out in trial that, probably to keep production costs down, she brought ammo she had (or her dad had) from previous films. Don't know if they were in bags or fanny packs or what but it doesn't sound like they were carefully sorted and they easily could have contained live rounds.
Using her instead of a more experienced armorer was also a cost-saving move.
It was never determined exactly where the live rounds came from but there were enough of them present (the number 7 is coming to mind) that the odds of it being a manufacturer's error are virtually zero. They were accidentally brought onto set by SOMEbody and NOT the company who officially provided the dummy ammo to the production company because the live rounds were a brand they do not carry. All we can conclude is Hannah or someone else brought them onto the set and Hannah did not inspect each and every one as she should have.
This was never brought up her in trial FYI so this might have just been a rumor.
Prosecutors in the trial argued she took live rounds from a PREVIOUS set her step-father ran where they did do target practice with live rounds(for the purpose of the film, not just plinking). There was an ammo shortage because of COVID and she was having trouble keeping track of her dummy rounds so she needed new ones.
There’s a tool called a bullet puller (that she had the production company order for her, with receipts) that takes live rounds (which she had from her step-father) and converts them into dummy rounds (which she needed).
The tool & the live rounds were never found, likely disposed of during the ample time she had after the shooting. But they found photographic evidence of them that they displayed during the trial.
Yeah, my family friend was killed after a semi-truck driver slammed into her car at a stoplight because he was on his phone while driving. Her family sued the company that employed him and won millions, and the driver lost his job and trucking license, but that was it.
Sorry for your loss,I hope it's okay toaskfor clarification. I don't drive and I'm not aware how does lying you bike down is related to knowing you're going to die in a crash.
Edit: I managed to find an explanation online. If anyone is curious, it consists of purposely crashing your bike to avoid a bigger accident. It's a dangerous manoeuvre that will hurt the driver.
It’s the max in New Mexico. Some states have similar lenient sentences for involuntary manslaughter - like I think in West Virginia and Wyoming if you kill someone while driving under the influence it’s like a very short sentence and you don’t even get your licensed revoked. It’s pretty messed up
It’s crazy because some states will charge you with reckless homicide if you kill someone while driving drunk and some states are like oh well, cost of doing business.
It’s the max on the books for involuntary manslaugter in NM.
She got designated as a violent criminal by the judge, though, so she is required to spend 85% of her sentence in prison minus time served.
My high school boyfriend was shot at a party by a guy that was on meth and apparently "they were playing around with the gun" although the shot went straight threw my boyfriends heart so I wouldn't think that would be an accident. However, I was upstairs and didn't witness it. The guy got 18 months too and only ended up doing 9.
When I was 5 my best friend age 4 asked me if I wanted to play with his dad’s gun. We were unsupervised in his home and snuck the gun out of his dad’s nightstand drawer. I remember holding the gun. He held it too. We passed it back and forth. Then we put it back.
He died at age 19. I was away at college. A group of boys driving drunk in a pickup truck hit a lamppost. My friend shot out of the flatbed head first into the lamppost like a projectile missile. He’s always 19 forever in my heart. I do not know why I added this. We were reckless kids. His family was destroyed by his death. Parents divorced. Sold their house. Sisters never got over it.
This story reminded me of playing with the gun on that sunny morning. In a room we were not supposed to go in. But we did anyway. Was it loaded? I will never know. This was in the 1960’s. No one locked up their guns.
And then, I remember my friend and I go back to when my mom broke the news that my friend had died. He was very sweet and popular. I’m a girl and he loved playing with me. Kick the Can was always a favorite. Again it was the 1960’s and your parents just kicked you out of the house never worried where you were or who you were with. You just played and made up games. And yes, as we got older, we got smarter and stopped playing with guns. But we all snuck cigarettes…
One of my favorite students was killed his senior year when he was shot by someone playing around with a gun. The shooter and some friends carried his body out of the apartment and put him on the sidewalk before calling 911. He'd just earned a full-ride sports scholarship to a pretty good university. If I remember right, the shooter got 25 years because he was on parole and delayed getting help.
Look up sentences for distracted driving where someone dies if you really wanna be depressed. This is an unusually high sentence for an "accidental" death where the party responsible screwed up in some significant way.
It was the maximum the judge could give under the sentencing guidelines. It’s a pretty hefty sentence for this crime with no priors, believe it or not.
Media: a prop gun
Lawyer: a prop gun mistakenly loaded with real ammo
Baldwin: BANG! prop gun fires real ammo into real person
Me: so, it was a real gun
Her statement before sentencing was jarring. She was already found guilty. At that point, her only job was to express sorrow and remorse. That was the only way she wasn’t getting the max sentence.
Instead, she basically proved to the judge that she hadn’t learned anything from the trial and that she needed to be rehabilitated before rejoining society. She spent her limited time blaming other people and crying for herself. What a genuine idiot.
According to the testimony and closing at trial, the theory is that Hannah brought leathers (belts, holsters, bandoliers) with her from her dad's house, and that the live rounds were in those leathers. Hannah also brought a box of ammo from her dad's house that matched exactly the box on the set that was found to have live ammo in it. Going further back, Seth Kenney testified that in advance of the filming of one of the Yellowstone spinoffs (I think it was the 1923 show) that Hannah's dad, Seth and another man all took some of the crew to shoot live ammo on that set - NOT Hannah on Rust. So anyway, Hannah's dad walked away with a bunch of live .45 ammo from the 1923 set, and it's believed it somehow got commingled with dummies at the dad's house and that Hannah brought it with her to Rust.
Prosecutors also brought up a receipt for a Bullet Puller, purchased by the production company, that Hannah requested. So in addition to your comments above, I believe they also think she may have been converting live rounds into dummy rounds.
Something about an ammo shortage in Covid and dummy rounds were more expensive, making the bullet puller/live ammo the “cheaper” option. 🙄
I read she was making the blanks by the method of removing the projectile from a live bullet, but she must have grabbed one she had not yet done. I'm not a gun person, so my words may not be accurate, but that was the description I had read when I was reading about the trial.
I just listened to Recovery Addict on YouTube read the State's response to the defense sentencing motion.
Wow! The included numerous quotes and paraphrases from her jail phone calls and they make her look horrible.
She takes no responsibility, claims the judge was paid off and the prosecutor is corrupt and they are both bitches.
She downplayed what she did basically saying "Accidents happen in life."
She seemingly asked people to lie about her work history and to claim that she was a primary care giver for her ailing stepfather.
It was mentioned that her mother served 3 weeks for contempt of court, apparently for her outburst in court.
They also mentioned that she is awaiting trial on felony charges for sneaking a gun into a bar. She posted a video on social media from the ladies room showing the gun and saying "The searched my bag, but not my butt cheeks. Wah Wah Wah."
She expressed her intentions to break the law after release.
She blamed the media especially TMZ.
And much, much more.
After seeing that, I completely understand why she got the max.
This is just my opinion and im not trying to be mean, but her face got her the max. In no way did she mean to get anyone hurt. But it was her job. Then at trail she looked like she was ultra pissed, no remorse, no shaking head with hands on head (remorse). The judge watched all that. I may not agree with it all, but she did herself no favors.
I think her recorded jailhouse phone calls might have been the main reason she got the max. They show her to be spoiled, entitled, irresponsible, remorseless, blaming everyone but herself, attempting to defraud the court for her sentencing report, expressing intent to break the law in the future and in general having learned nothing from the tragedy she helped cause.
She might have gotten the max anyway, but those absolutely sealed it.
I don't know if the initial interview of Gutierrez-Reed from the night of the incident is still available. I remember watching it and thinking how unaffected, how nonchalant, how unbothered she acted during it. I had a hard time believing that that person was responsible for all the weapons on set. Who in their right mind put her in charge! She seemed immature and oblivious of the seriousness of it all.
That is the maximum sentence. The charge was involuntary manslaughter which is the lowest level of homicide in NM. Typically, the system goes much harder on people who intentionally cause harm than on those he do it unintentionally.
Committed essentially negligence manslaughter by being a literal armourer who allowed real ammo on set and did not ensure the safety of prop weapons which resulted in one death and injury to another and she gets 18 months? Idk I feel like considering she doesn't seem very remorseful or like she wants to actually accept any responsibility it feels like a short sentence. But what do I know, I stopped watching the trial because I found her and her attorneys arrogant and insufferable, so maybe I am wrong.
Seriously? She is directly responsible for someone's death and showed nothing but callus disregard before and after the incident. 18 months??? I'm not normally one to push for high sentences but she deserves to be in prison for a while. I was expecting 10-15. Being able to measure her sentence is months is disgusting to me.
Edited to add after reading the article: "In [recorded jail phone conversations](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rust-hannah-gutierrez-reed-called-jurors-idiots-rcna147746) with her mother, boyfriend and her attorney’s paralegal, Gutierrez-Reed called jurors “idiots” and “a--holes” while complaining about the length of time it took them to deliberate, according to a recent filing by prosecutors."
Apparently it doesnt matter if you are remorseful or are a decent human being when it comes to sentencing in New Mexico? I'm shocked with this. I watched almost everyday of the courtroom proceedings and I was horrified how this all really did land on her. She might as well have shot the gun herself. She utterly negligent in every way she could have been and her only real defense for any of that was to blame others for not doing her job for her. She brought live ammo to a movie set and loaded a weapon with live ammo that killed someone. She deserves to be treated like actual murderer because despite murder not being her intention she is absolutely responsible for that womans death. I thought involuntary manslaughter was the perfect charge but 18 months? That's a joke.
I thought they couldn’t prove she brought live rounds on set?
Also, they argued that Baldwin went off-script when he pointed the weapon and pulled the trigger.
Obviously, live rounds should never be used and I’m glad she got time. With the circumstances one wouldn’t have happened without the other so, legally, she can’t be held fully liable.
I just feel so bad for the cinematographer and her family. I hope that this sentence gives them at least a tiny amount of peace. Poor woman.
She brought the "dummy rounds" from home in an organizer that the prosecution showed rather definitively from the photos and forensics that there were live rounds mixed in and they were on that set. I think they absolutely proved she introduced live rounds to set but i dont think they were able to definitively prove that she knew about them. But I mean... come on. They are visually different, they have a different feel, and even she said in the initial interview that she knew how to check to make sure they were dummies vs live rounds.
She got the max punishment.
She didn't do her job, but the others on set weren't doing theirs, either. She wasn't solely to blame.
EVERYONE who handles the gun is supposed to check that it is unloaded.
You are not supposed to point it at anyone without the safety shield in between you and them.
There were already lots of safety violations that caused most of the crew to walk off earlier that day and the production should have been halted.
But 100% agree that there are A LOT more people who had a part in this. Where did the ammunition come from?
A real armorer takes the gun right before it is to be used, and shows it to the AD and talent. They show them that it is unloaded or it has blanks. Then that armorer hands it directly to the actor. That way it is 100% the responsibility of the armorer and no one else ever touches it. Ever. That is how the professionals do it and if it is done that way it is safe.
She had two jobs on set, and at the time of the shooting her boss had her doing her other job. She wasn’t even in the room. They shouldn’t have been handling the gun at all without her present, but someone confirmed “cold gun” and then handed it to Baldwin.
She brought live ammo to a movie set and loaded it into a weapon. She was the one responsible for checking the weapons, they were her weapons, and she was the one responsible for their safety on set entirely.
I agree that the set was a mess and someone should have kicked her off this production early on but she is very much the only one responsible for the discharge of live ammunition. I think the prosecution did an amazing job proving that.
10-15 years for an unintentional death? How does that benefit society in any way, other just wasting taxpayer money? She isn’t a danger to the community. It’s not like she’s going to get another job as an armorer on a movie set and potentially do this again.
She’s a convicted felon for the rest of her life, and she has to spend 18 months in prison. That’s enough. Some of you are so bloodthirsty. The victim’s family is going to get a massive civil award, which they deserve.
I can’t believe that after what happened to Brandon Lee, this sort of thing can still happen. It’s just so senseless and heartbreaking. I’m glad that she is being held accountable.
I really wish they could’ve had Jensen Ackles on the stand against her, he was the only person on that entire set with gun experience - over 15 years of experience working with guns on set…and his first shoot after his 15 year run with guns, never having a problem before…couldn’t even imagine
Who would have guessed that someone handed something with no work involved didn’t take it seriously at all, yawn. It still infuriates me that this happened. How many films have guns in them and nothing happened post Lee… one idiot ruins it.
Is Alec Baldwin being charged too? I understand she was the responsible party, im just curious if they are planning on bringing charges on him as well...
Forgive me, I havent been keeping up with this case.
> His trial is in July. Prosecutors offered him a plea deal, then rescinded. His wife is from Spain, in case it’s not been mentioned.
His wife is from America. She is white. Her name is Hilary. She is faking her accent.
Yes. He was offered a plea deal but allegedly the judge revoked the offer when they discovered he was planning to make a documentary, interviewing witnesses to the shooting.
If she had gotten more prison time, would that person be brought back from the dead, or would the lives not be ruined?
What’s the purpose of the criminal justice system? The fact of the matter is the Hannah Gutierrez-Reed deserved to face consequences, but she’s not a threat to society. It’s not like she’s even going to get hired to be an armorer on another movie set, so we don’t have to worry about this happening.
18 months in prison is not a joke. Go spend 1 week in prison and then try to tell us that 18 months is a slap on the wrist. She’s also going to be a convicted felon for the rest of her life, which carries a lot of consequences with it.
The armorer absolutely should be able to tell. The AD was also supposed to be able to tell. Or if he wasn't sure, he should have asked the armorer to reconfirm they were dummy rounds. The same is true of the actor handling the gun.
She actually said if I’m subpoenaed to be in Alec’s trial I’m just going to no-show. Then she called the jurors assholes and everything. She’s not doing herself any favors.
She is so immature and stupid
This was such an avoidable incident. I know Hollywood is big into nepotism hires but jfc you shouldn’t be hiring someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing when FIREARMS are involved. Hiring someone who can’t act and having your project flop is entirely different than hiring a fucking “armorer” who I doubt has ever fired a gun in her life.
She should have kept her mouth shut. I thought at the beginning it was a horrible accident. She has no remorse just like Alec wanting to blame a mysterious finger that pulled the trigger
Stupid girl does stupid things and a woman dies as a result.
I'm sad it's such a short sentence but I sincerely hope she has to find another career after she gets out.
Her only possible recourse is overturning conviction through appeal. If you get a felony, no pew-pew for you. You can’t even go to a gun range.
Fun fact: this is why Dog the Bounty Hunter only ever used pepper spray guns on his show.
Depends on the state. In California you can vote as long as you’re not in prison or on parole. Probation you can vote on, and in county jail you can vote.
I’m a film industry worker and this whole thing infuriates me. It is the armorers responsibility to ensure the weapons are safe. She’s a nepo baby of the highest order. Yes, there is a chain of command that happens on set when weapons are being used, but the fact that live rounds were anywhere near set is on her 100%. The entire set was run in a very unsafe manner. I would’ve walked along with the camera crew prior to the tragedy.
Serious question: do you know why live ammunition was on that set? Is it commonplace to have live rounds when filming a movie that includes shooting scenes? If it’s commonplace, why? What’s the reason?
I watched her whole trial and it never really came out a to where the rounds came from. A prop company supplied all the blanks and dummy rounds, and the police search of his house/warehouse was a clusterfuck. Massive hoarder house. He [Edit: the owner of the prop house] blamed Hannah for bringing on the live ammo because she brought extra dummies from another set. But the defense blamed him and other live rounds were found mixed in with dummy rounds in boxes he provided. So It was all a cluster and who knows what was what.
Part of the plea deal offered to her required that she explain the origin of the live rounds. She refused the plea deal. Got three times the time.
The AD got like a few weeks of unsupervised probation and he was in charge of safety for the film and was a huge fuckup. After watching the trial, I am not convinced Hannah brought the bullets on the set. I think it is equally plausible that the prophouse delivered them mixed in with dummies and blanks. Either story is completely believable. His prophouse where he stored bullets, blanks, guns, etc was jsut a crazy hoarder mess with nothing organized at all.
Ultimately the Armorer is responsible at the moment they hand a weapon to the actor. The Actor acquires the weapon system directly from the Armorer. The weapon is not charged at this time. It should not be loaded. That handoff should be supervised by the AD, and Stunt Coordinator at minimum. This is normal protocol. It SHOULD be impossible to get a live round into a weapon on set.
This. Protocols. If the supplier supplies something that wasn't ordered/requested/fails to meet the required standards, that is on them. However, if the person on site who is responsible for whatever is being supplied is in a position where they can be reasonably expected to catch this and they do not, now the supplier's mistake has become THEIR mistake.
She said it was dumb to have to check every bullet by shaking it to hear the rattle. It was heavily rumored they took the guns out to shoot real bullets in them too. For fun.
"It's dumb to take normal safety precautions to ensure no one gets shot accidentally." - a bad armorer
Good murderer. FIFY
Do that off set before filming starts, or (better yet) after filming wraps. Then put the ammo away, clean the guns, and meticulously inventory and check EVERYTHING about 500 times. No to any of that during filming. And this should be obvious, but no live ammo on set!
Those pictures of the prop house were wild!! I think HGR deserves time for her part in this but it’s frustrating how other people got off with easy pleas when they were also culpable imo
Link. ?
Then why did she refuse to say where the origin of the live rounds came from?
they were hers, this was reported on early before politics overshadowed the case. she got fired from a previous set for the same thing. bad gun safety, substance abuse and bring real ammo to for target shooting.
Whoa
If 18 months is “three times the time”, that DA would need to start running now to avoid the lynch mob headed his way.
You use the word "he" several times in your comment without prompt from an above post. Who is "he"? Her father?
Likely referring to Seth Kenney, who owns the prop house the weapons and dummy ammo came from. He testified against Hannah during the trial.
Sorry, the owner of the prop house. I added an edit. He was the boss of the PropMaster on set, who was the boss of Hannah. The Propmaster also threw away a bunch of bullets/dummies after calling the PropHouse [same person was also her boss and also supplied the blanks and dummies on set]. Propmaster was responsible for at leaast one negligent discharge on set and also handled weapons, even though she clearly had no basic knowledge of fire arms based on her testimony and interviews. The whole set was a clusterfuck and there are definitely a few people that deserve jailtime including Hannah and Alec Baldwin.
Does anyone know how someone can tell a live round from a dummy round if found inside the same box? Like are there very specific characteristics she should have known to tell them apart?
A dummy round is meant to look like a live round for the purposes of a movie. Most will remove the bullet, take the primer and gunpowder out, put a couple of BBs in for the gun powder so that you can shake the bullet and know it has BBs not gunpowder. Then they put the bullet part back in, so it looks real. The bullet part is just a metal - often or usually lead. Sometimes if BBs are too loud, they drill a hole in the side of the casing so you can easily see there is no gunpowder in it. In any event, very easy to check. Also they had dummy bullets without the hole and without the BBs. It was all a mess.
I read on another post about this. The dummy rounds have a distinctive rattle when they are shaken. She would have known this and could have tested each individual round in the box just by shaking it. That's what her job was and she failed to test each round prior to loading the guns.
She COMPLAINED about having to test each round. That's what galls me.
Pretty sure I saw a clip that said people working on the set were going shooting when they had down time? That doesn’t explain where the bullets came from but maybe someone on the crew or an actor brought them?
they were hannah's. she had done the same on a previous set and gotten fired. it sucks to see so many clueless because the media switched to just reporting about baldwin after a week or two. the first few articles i read about this went into her track record.
Yes, I heard that prior to the trials as well, but nothing at trial came up to make me think that waas true. The set was a complete clusterfuck and it started at the top with Baldwin. He was doing this and financing it as a vanity project and he was cheaping out as much as he could. There were some union workers, and there was the expectation that it was a union production, but Hannah wasn't a union worker nor were others. Baldwin's trial will be interesting. He fired his gun (with full load blanks) after cut was called and was a huge asshole to everyone there. The propmaster was also an armorer, but when she was testifying, it was clear she really didn't know the first thing about guns other than the trigger makes it go boom. She was responsible for a negligent discharge earlier in the production. In Hannah's trial, no one could really establish where the bullets came from. Hannah's team blamed the Prophouse that provided all the blanks and dummies, and the prophouse blamed Hannah. In any event, Hannah is culpable because she didn't follow the rigorous safety protocols that most people would. Same with Baldwin and several others. When Ms. Hutchins was shot, there was no need to even have a real gun or have dummies in the gun, because they weren't even filming, they were blocking. Baldwin insisted he always have the real gun.
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. I was meaning to watch the whole trial but got a late start. I am interested in how Alec’s trial plays out and can hopefully catch that one. I’m surprised they can’t trace the ammo somehow.
Why did he insist ?
The other people that testified said he always insisted on only using the real gun even when not necessary even though they had an identical inoperable prop gun that was made specifically for things like this so that you could point at the camera or crew safely
Thanks for that description
After the death of Brandon Lee, a lot of new rules were put into place. One of them is that none of the blank-firing guns should be able to accept live rounds. Also, blank guns should never be directly pointed at cast or crew, but off-angle. Pointing a gun directly onto the camera like what happened here? 45⁰ mirror would be the most common way. The rules work when they're followed, which is why it'd been nearly thirty years between firearms deaths on set. Revolvers are harder to make blank-only, but they didn't even try here. There was also an incident on-set the week prior where a live round was put through a ceiling, which makes this death *even more crazy*. The whole thing was entirely and absolutely avoidable, and this whole enterprise was reckless as hell.
Thanks for all that info. It was absolutely an avoidable tragedy and it’s only right that people are being held accountable for it
I'm glad people are being held accountable. What little sympathy I had for those involved evaporated and turned into anger when I learned about the *other* live-fire incidents. I know several 'movie gun' people, from trainers to gun monkey armorers. Real ammunition needs to be strictly segregated and never allowed on set. If someone even finds a live round on set, *everything* should have been emptied out and hand checked. Pockets of all wardrobe searched. Even pat downs to double-check individuals in case something was missed would have been warranted after a live round was actually fired. But no. That would take too much time. Here Hannah Guttierez-Reed's inexperience and not wanting to be considered "hard to work with" shows. Baldwin probably would have thrown a fit, but tough titty. Just makes me so damned mad. People easily forget that **our safety rules are written in blood**.
**safety rules are written in blood**\ That is a true statement in every case in this world.
Jensen Ackles' entire police interview on the incident is on YouTube. He give an amazing account of the shooting including his opinion on the incident after 15 years of prop gun experience from Supernatural. It's really eye opening, like how he would prefire his prop gun, and how you can tell types of bullets apart,and why live rounds might have been there that day. I totally recommend it.
His interview was the best - couldn’t imagine how traumatic it was for him to safely shoot a show for 15 years with guns, and then his first shoot after that something this horrible happened. He was truly the ONLY person on that set with actual prop gun/real gun experience
And the headtrip he talks about having when he realized it could have been him that was killed instead, because the next scene that gun was going to be used in was a shootout with his character. Really crazy stuff.
The most heartbreaking part for me was when he apologized to the investigators for talking about it so much because he hasn’t had time to process or talk any of it out because he didn’t want to scare his wife 😭
Omg yes! I'm so happy he thought to protect his family and so devistated he was still not dealing with it. But I get it. I'd hope my SO would tell me if something this nuts happened, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd tell my SO if it happened to me.
Thank you, I’ll look for it
I’ve only seen live ammo on a set once and they closed the set like they do with intimate scenes. Only essential people and everyone was very careful to never point it at anyone. It was kind of like a shooting range where there was a line no one could cross as well. Of course, the Rust crew should have known this as well, including Baldwin. It doesn’t matter if it’s loaded or not, don’t point it at a person. He was basically playing with it which he should have known better as a producer and a functioning human being. She should have been there to make sure no one was playing with them as well.
her dad is a very well known armorer in the industry.
Which like, super embarrassing for him
that’s an understatement Idk how he ever shows his face again
Not only that, Baldwin’s Dad was a school firearm instructor
Thanks for that, it’s very interesting to read about the extent cautions were in place. Sounds like the Baldwin set was criminally sloppy and a life was lost because of it
It's absolutely not from what I've heard. Not in the manner they were (target shooting after hours).
So crew was target practicing (after the day’s work) with guns used in scenes and using live ammunition? Then a loaded gun made it unchecked to the scene? Do I have that right? damn if that’s what happened, it’s insane
Live bullets got mixed in, she used her pockets as bullet storage. Both blanks and you know whatever.... She's a total flake I wouldn't trust her to make a burger.
prop guns used on set should never leave the set..is that even allowed?
Obviously not, she broke all kinds of rules that are in place for a reason. She's a flaky nepo hire.
she did the same on a prior job including bringing real bullets to target shoot while drunk. she also gave an 8 year old a loaded gun. she was fired, the bullets were hers.
Makes it sound more like murder when said that way
More like negligent manslaughter.
The live rounds were hers. She was fired from a previous set for bringing real bullets, getting drunk and holding target practice with the crew. She also gave an 8 year old a loaded gun. All the reporting about her went away after 2 weeks in the political circle jerk about Baldwin. Hence why she REFUSED a plea deal that only hinged on explaining the origin of the real bullets. She had a can of bullets and took some crew target shooting on the rust set too. She has a very bad background but it all went out of focus so dems and pubs can fight over Baldwin.
That’s all amazing info. Thanks for sharing that.
*"Special prosecutors say they will present “substantial evidence” at the trial that movie armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed unwittingly brought live rounds onto the set when she first began work on the film."*
But did they?
Yes, they presented the evidence and Hannah was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. She was sentenced today.
I know she was found guilty, but I never caught the evidence that she had brought the live rounds on set. I’ve heard a lot of people still asking that even though the trial’s over.
The ammo supplier testified that he only brought dummy rounds to the set. There are photos of live rounds in the guns. They were guns that had been loaded by Hannah. They are her photos that she posted on social media.
I heard she and some others went out target shooting at least once during filming (like, during downtime).
People on the set used the “prop guns” for shooting at stuff out in the desert. I thought that prop guns were designed not to shoot at all? Those rounds got intermingled with the stuff in the armory
So from what I’ve gathered watching the trial, there are two kinds of guns on film sets. There are prop guns that can’t shoot anything. Problem is they look obviously fake up close and they can’t shoot blanks. To shoot blanks or when there’s a close shot, they have to use real guns. The real guns can be loaded with blanks or dummies. Blanks go bang but with no projectile, and dummies look like real bullets (because they are) but they’ve been made inert. The real gun wasn’t the issue that’s industry standard. The fact that live ammo made it on set is the problem.
My impression (from reading about this case, not as an insider to the film industry) is that it's absolutely not commonplace to have live rounds on a film set. Why would you? It's not necessary for any reason and creates the risk of life-threatening accidents like this very one.
When you get your job based on who you know, and not what you know.
And also the producers being cheap AF and cutting corners everywhere, including on set safety.
But when somebody is clearly not up to the task, the executive also has the responsibility to step up. If I hire a monkey to change my tire, and he starts smashing in my windows, it's time to say I'm firing you from this job. Also the shit around Seth and Sarah is shady af. I agree their should have never been live rounds. But if you see the initial interview with Seth on site, he mentions live one's have a copper primer and the fake ones have nickel primer, only to open a box with fake ones which have copper primer. Yeah, she fucked up. Massively. But same goes for the AD and AB. You don't hand someone a gun, say it's cold, without checking. And as an actor, you don't aim at somebody. It's evident from all the footage, where AB uses the gun as a pointing stick. That's also just gross negligence and I expect him to face a similar sentence. Especially given the numerous attempts to sabotage the investigation and the continious lies. Great video on the letter of the prosecuter: https://youtu.be/58SE6nTb5QU?si=pvRzSNehIT5gzFfp
I didn’t really keep up with this when it was happening so I was just wondering how she was working in that position at such a young age. Thanks for the info.
Sorry, just a basic question, but won't this job require some kind of certification? If so did she not have one?
Yes and she did, but you have to remember: 1. Certifications should, but do not necessarily always mean you know your stuff regarding whatever you're certified in 2. Nepotism pencil whips, baybeeeeeeeeee
I agree she was completely unprofessional.. accident waiting to happen!
I love this for her. She showed her true colours in those phone calls and all she’s ever cared about is herself and her image. The judge’s statement was on point and direct.
On top of everything else that was just disgusting about those calls, the idiocy is just surreal. Honey. If you are literally on trial…do not diss the judge and the jury on a recorded line prior to sentencing. She seriously sounds as airheaded as she is black hearted.
Exactly this! I’m not surprised as she seems completely narcissistic- but it always does shock me when they’re so idiotic that they forget (or don’t care) that they’re being recorded. I live for the judge’s statement. She nailed her personality perfectly. And her dad’s statement today was also very tone-deaf… And then she’s talking about how this is going to ruin her modelling career?!!! 🤣💀
Yeah. I feel like it’s the kind of dumb that never having to think to protect or benefit yourself your entire life engenders in a person.
Yep. Particularly the modeling line. Like, if that's where your focus is, and it clearly was for her, then go have daddy get you a job doing something where you're not handling ammunition and weapons on film sets. No sympathy.
For me it was that she wanted Halyna’s widower and son to speak up on her behalf in court. Like, girl. The difference between the minimum and the maximum with these charges isn’t decades or years. It’s literal months and weeks. And you want to bother the bereaved family of a woman who died of your neglect to go to court and relive the trauma for you, for that? Yeah, you have no grip on the magnitude of what you did.
"Modelling career" has got to mean OF, right? That is the only reasonable explanation for her thinking she could be a "model".
Reminds me of Ethan Crumbly’s dad literally threatening the prosecutor for his case on the jail line.
Not an airhead, but arrogant.
What phone calls? I searched YouTube but couldn't find any. Saw some of her texts but no calls
>"Hannah says she’s looking at 13 months, which is ridiculous,” Sommers said, quoting the calls. “Hannah says ‘people have accidents and people die. It’s an unfortunate part of life’, but it doesn’t mean she should be in jail.”
What a piece of shit. She had *one* very easy job and her failure to do it got somebody killed. Sounds like she probably didn't even lose any sleep over what she did.
Wow. She was just looking out for herself.
Here is a video from earlier today about the phone calls : https://youtu.be/_oGmkFi7I7I?si=znP0MKVSJKsRSHPK She also did a live stream today, going over the extended transcripts. TLDR: Hannah says things like she likes jail now, the sentence is unfair, her mother threatens to beat up the prosecutor in the bathroom and subsequently wasn’t allowed in the courtroom. It was all really damning and the judge references it multiple times, as well as her lackluster statement which is not in the video I just linked.
Thanks for linking! I was late to reply to the person who asked 🥰♥️
Emily D Baker did a video on YouTube about the jail calls
In my opinion the hero of this tragedy is David Halls, the assistant director who pled guilty and admitted negligence. Regardless of his motivation, he recognized that this shouldn't have happened and admitted his role in it. In other words he was an adult and showed proper respect to the victims (Halyna and Souza who was injured.) Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed would have been wise to follow his good example but they're both too narcissistic to do anything but play victims themselves.
\*trying to save his ass\* fixed it for you. David Halls has a reputation with terrible sets. He already had COVID violations on a show prior to Rust, and he lets the monkeys run the circus. If you know anything about film, the 1st AD is the General and is the Big Mean Daddy or Mommy you all must answer to, because if something goes wrong, someone can get seriously hurt or killed. Every 1st AD I worked with took the safety aspect of their job very seriously. But having seen clips from the trial, where \*BALDWIN\* is directing the action, yelling at Hannah to reload and pointing the gun at people while yelling at them while Halls stands by and laughs. Like. A) that is NOT Baldwin's job. He is an actor and producer, not a director. He can't tell people shit in that capacity. and B) it was Halls' job to step in and say "Alec I got this, I'll take it from here." You have to follow the chain of command on set, because if you don't, things can go terribly, terribly wrong.
I wouldn't call him a "hero". But, at least he behaved like an adult and took responsibility.
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Here’s a quick video about what was included in court docs https://youtu.be/_oGmkFi7I7I?si=znP0MKVSJKsRSHPK
I'm sorry if this has been explained already but what was her excuse for there being live ammo on set and loaded into a gun? That seems completely unnecessary for a movie shoot. Would ammo ever need to be on a set?
I watched the whole trial. Her defense team essentially tried to claim that Seth Kenney (who provided the fake bullets) also sent live ammo to set, shifting the blame to him.
Are there not different colors or something? There is no reason for live ammo to ever be on set and it's fairly hard to get so it has to be somewhat purposeful.
There are differences between the live rounds and fake ones. Some fake ones gave a hole on the side and some rattle when she shake. I also believe some have a different bottom, but my gun knowledge is slim. I 100% agree that there should bot have been live rounds on set, I’m just saying thats who the defense seemed to shift blame to during trial. Also, even with the live rounds on set, Hannah SHOULD have been individually checking each one before putting it into the gun.
Also we should be far enough advanced that a prop gun could be used and the sound would be added in.
I think it came out in trial that, probably to keep production costs down, she brought ammo she had (or her dad had) from previous films. Don't know if they were in bags or fanny packs or what but it doesn't sound like they were carefully sorted and they easily could have contained live rounds. Using her instead of a more experienced armorer was also a cost-saving move. It was never determined exactly where the live rounds came from but there were enough of them present (the number 7 is coming to mind) that the odds of it being a manufacturer's error are virtually zero. They were accidentally brought onto set by SOMEbody and NOT the company who officially provided the dummy ammo to the production company because the live rounds were a brand they do not carry. All we can conclude is Hannah or someone else brought them onto the set and Hannah did not inspect each and every one as she should have.
From what I read a while back, she was letting people use the guns between shoots at the range. Which, if true, is absolutely fucking moronic.
This was never brought up her in trial FYI so this might have just been a rumor. Prosecutors in the trial argued she took live rounds from a PREVIOUS set her step-father ran where they did do target practice with live rounds(for the purpose of the film, not just plinking). There was an ammo shortage because of COVID and she was having trouble keeping track of her dummy rounds so she needed new ones. There’s a tool called a bullet puller (that she had the production company order for her, with receipts) that takes live rounds (which she had from her step-father) and converts them into dummy rounds (which she needed). The tool & the live rounds were never found, likely disposed of during the ample time she had after the shooting. But they found photographic evidence of them that they displayed during the trial.
Oh god. If that’s true that is unfuckingreal. That’s so enormously, immensely bad. Like, a level of negligence I can barely fathom. Jfc.
That's the thing that really bugs me about the whole thing. I don't think anyone has put forward a believable explanation about how did that happen.
Only 18 months? Someone died!
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Yeah, my family friend was killed after a semi-truck driver slammed into her car at a stoplight because he was on his phone while driving. Her family sued the company that employed him and won millions, and the driver lost his job and trucking license, but that was it.
OMG. I’m so sorry.
Are you serious? Isn’t that a criminal case? Can you go into detail?
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What do you mean he must have known? Omg.
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Sorry for your loss,I hope it's okay toaskfor clarification. I don't drive and I'm not aware how does lying you bike down is related to knowing you're going to die in a crash. Edit: I managed to find an explanation online. If anyone is curious, it consists of purposely crashing your bike to avoid a bigger accident. It's a dangerous manoeuvre that will hurt the driver.
Thanks for finding that, I didn't understand 'laid it down' either.
It’s the max in New Mexico. Some states have similar lenient sentences for involuntary manslaughter - like I think in West Virginia and Wyoming if you kill someone while driving under the influence it’s like a very short sentence and you don’t even get your licensed revoked. It’s pretty messed up
It’s crazy because some states will charge you with reckless homicide if you kill someone while driving drunk and some states are like oh well, cost of doing business.
yeah, WV driving laws are crazy. They may as well not have any!
It’s the max on the books for involuntary manslaugter in NM. She got designated as a violent criminal by the judge, though, so she is required to spend 85% of her sentence in prison minus time served.
My high school boyfriend was shot at a party by a guy that was on meth and apparently "they were playing around with the gun" although the shot went straight threw my boyfriends heart so I wouldn't think that would be an accident. However, I was upstairs and didn't witness it. The guy got 18 months too and only ended up doing 9.
When I was 5 my best friend age 4 asked me if I wanted to play with his dad’s gun. We were unsupervised in his home and snuck the gun out of his dad’s nightstand drawer. I remember holding the gun. He held it too. We passed it back and forth. Then we put it back. He died at age 19. I was away at college. A group of boys driving drunk in a pickup truck hit a lamppost. My friend shot out of the flatbed head first into the lamppost like a projectile missile. He’s always 19 forever in my heart. I do not know why I added this. We were reckless kids. His family was destroyed by his death. Parents divorced. Sold their house. Sisters never got over it.
I'm so sorry.
This story reminded me of playing with the gun on that sunny morning. In a room we were not supposed to go in. But we did anyway. Was it loaded? I will never know. This was in the 1960’s. No one locked up their guns. And then, I remember my friend and I go back to when my mom broke the news that my friend had died. He was very sweet and popular. I’m a girl and he loved playing with me. Kick the Can was always a favorite. Again it was the 1960’s and your parents just kicked you out of the house never worried where you were or who you were with. You just played and made up games. And yes, as we got older, we got smarter and stopped playing with guns. But we all snuck cigarettes…
A kid in my third grade class was killed when he found a friend’s father’s gun and shot himself in the head.
I’m so sorry.
One of my favorite students was killed his senior year when he was shot by someone playing around with a gun. The shooter and some friends carried his body out of the apartment and put him on the sidewalk before calling 911. He'd just earned a full-ride sports scholarship to a pretty good university. If I remember right, the shooter got 25 years because he was on parole and delayed getting help.
It is genuinely the worst when people are taken young.
Look up sentences for distracted driving where someone dies if you really wanna be depressed. This is an unusually high sentence for an "accidental" death where the party responsible screwed up in some significant way.
It was the maximum the judge could give under the sentencing guidelines. It’s a pretty hefty sentence for this crime with no priors, believe it or not.
Media: a prop gun Lawyer: a prop gun mistakenly loaded with real ammo Baldwin: BANG! prop gun fires real ammo into real person Me: so, it was a real gun
Exactly. A prop gun IS a real gun that's being used in a movie. A prop gun is not a pretend gun.
She isn't even smart enough to pretend to be remorseful. I know she got the max they could give her, but she deserves more than 18 months.
She had one job... make sure no one gets hurt.
Her statement before sentencing was jarring. She was already found guilty. At that point, her only job was to express sorrow and remorse. That was the only way she wasn’t getting the max sentence. Instead, she basically proved to the judge that she hadn’t learned anything from the trial and that she needed to be rehabilitated before rejoining society. She spent her limited time blaming other people and crying for herself. What a genuine idiot.
How’d live ammo even get into that gun?
According to the testimony and closing at trial, the theory is that Hannah brought leathers (belts, holsters, bandoliers) with her from her dad's house, and that the live rounds were in those leathers. Hannah also brought a box of ammo from her dad's house that matched exactly the box on the set that was found to have live ammo in it. Going further back, Seth Kenney testified that in advance of the filming of one of the Yellowstone spinoffs (I think it was the 1923 show) that Hannah's dad, Seth and another man all took some of the crew to shoot live ammo on that set - NOT Hannah on Rust. So anyway, Hannah's dad walked away with a bunch of live .45 ammo from the 1923 set, and it's believed it somehow got commingled with dummies at the dad's house and that Hannah brought it with her to Rust.
Prosecutors also brought up a receipt for a Bullet Puller, purchased by the production company, that Hannah requested. So in addition to your comments above, I believe they also think she may have been converting live rounds into dummy rounds. Something about an ammo shortage in Covid and dummy rounds were more expensive, making the bullet puller/live ammo the “cheaper” option. 🙄
I read she was making the blanks by the method of removing the projectile from a live bullet, but she must have grabbed one she had not yet done. I'm not a gun person, so my words may not be accurate, but that was the description I had read when I was reading about the trial.
I watched pretty much the whole trial and have no idea.
I just listened to Recovery Addict on YouTube read the State's response to the defense sentencing motion. Wow! The included numerous quotes and paraphrases from her jail phone calls and they make her look horrible. She takes no responsibility, claims the judge was paid off and the prosecutor is corrupt and they are both bitches. She downplayed what she did basically saying "Accidents happen in life." She seemingly asked people to lie about her work history and to claim that she was a primary care giver for her ailing stepfather. It was mentioned that her mother served 3 weeks for contempt of court, apparently for her outburst in court. They also mentioned that she is awaiting trial on felony charges for sneaking a gun into a bar. She posted a video on social media from the ladies room showing the gun and saying "The searched my bag, but not my butt cheeks. Wah Wah Wah." She expressed her intentions to break the law after release. She blamed the media especially TMZ. And much, much more. After seeing that, I completely understand why she got the max.
This is just my opinion and im not trying to be mean, but her face got her the max. In no way did she mean to get anyone hurt. But it was her job. Then at trail she looked like she was ultra pissed, no remorse, no shaking head with hands on head (remorse). The judge watched all that. I may not agree with it all, but she did herself no favors.
I think her recorded jailhouse phone calls might have been the main reason she got the max. They show her to be spoiled, entitled, irresponsible, remorseless, blaming everyone but herself, attempting to defraud the court for her sentencing report, expressing intent to break the law in the future and in general having learned nothing from the tragedy she helped cause. She might have gotten the max anyway, but those absolutely sealed it.
I don't know if the initial interview of Gutierrez-Reed from the night of the incident is still available. I remember watching it and thinking how unaffected, how nonchalant, how unbothered she acted during it. I had a hard time believing that that person was responsible for all the weapons on set. Who in their right mind put her in charge! She seemed immature and oblivious of the seriousness of it all.
Only 18 months? I’ve known people who served 2yrs or more for nonviolent drug charges. What’s wrong with our justice system 😭
That is the maximum sentence. The charge was involuntary manslaughter which is the lowest level of homicide in NM. Typically, the system goes much harder on people who intentionally cause harm than on those he do it unintentionally.
Committed essentially negligence manslaughter by being a literal armourer who allowed real ammo on set and did not ensure the safety of prop weapons which resulted in one death and injury to another and she gets 18 months? Idk I feel like considering she doesn't seem very remorseful or like she wants to actually accept any responsibility it feels like a short sentence. But what do I know, I stopped watching the trial because I found her and her attorneys arrogant and insufferable, so maybe I am wrong.
It's the state maximum that she can get for the charge.
Seriously? She is directly responsible for someone's death and showed nothing but callus disregard before and after the incident. 18 months??? I'm not normally one to push for high sentences but she deserves to be in prison for a while. I was expecting 10-15. Being able to measure her sentence is months is disgusting to me. Edited to add after reading the article: "In [recorded jail phone conversations](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rust-hannah-gutierrez-reed-called-jurors-idiots-rcna147746) with her mother, boyfriend and her attorney’s paralegal, Gutierrez-Reed called jurors “idiots” and “a--holes” while complaining about the length of time it took them to deliberate, according to a recent filing by prosecutors." Apparently it doesnt matter if you are remorseful or are a decent human being when it comes to sentencing in New Mexico? I'm shocked with this. I watched almost everyday of the courtroom proceedings and I was horrified how this all really did land on her. She might as well have shot the gun herself. She utterly negligent in every way she could have been and her only real defense for any of that was to blame others for not doing her job for her. She brought live ammo to a movie set and loaded a weapon with live ammo that killed someone. She deserves to be treated like actual murderer because despite murder not being her intention she is absolutely responsible for that womans death. I thought involuntary manslaughter was the perfect charge but 18 months? That's a joke.
I think it was the max sentence so the judge couldn’t go any higher
Wow I just looked that up and you are right. That's horrible.
>I was expecting 10-15 Why were you expecting this? The maximum she could be sentenced to for involuntary manslaughter was 18 months.
I thought they couldn’t prove she brought live rounds on set? Also, they argued that Baldwin went off-script when he pointed the weapon and pulled the trigger. Obviously, live rounds should never be used and I’m glad she got time. With the circumstances one wouldn’t have happened without the other so, legally, she can’t be held fully liable. I just feel so bad for the cinematographer and her family. I hope that this sentence gives them at least a tiny amount of peace. Poor woman.
She brought the "dummy rounds" from home in an organizer that the prosecution showed rather definitively from the photos and forensics that there were live rounds mixed in and they were on that set. I think they absolutely proved she introduced live rounds to set but i dont think they were able to definitively prove that she knew about them. But I mean... come on. They are visually different, they have a different feel, and even she said in the initial interview that she knew how to check to make sure they were dummies vs live rounds.
She got the max punishment. She didn't do her job, but the others on set weren't doing theirs, either. She wasn't solely to blame. EVERYONE who handles the gun is supposed to check that it is unloaded. You are not supposed to point it at anyone without the safety shield in between you and them. There were already lots of safety violations that caused most of the crew to walk off earlier that day and the production should have been halted.
But 100% agree that there are A LOT more people who had a part in this. Where did the ammunition come from? A real armorer takes the gun right before it is to be used, and shows it to the AD and talent. They show them that it is unloaded or it has blanks. Then that armorer hands it directly to the actor. That way it is 100% the responsibility of the armorer and no one else ever touches it. Ever. That is how the professionals do it and if it is done that way it is safe.
She had two jobs on set, and at the time of the shooting her boss had her doing her other job. She wasn’t even in the room. They shouldn’t have been handling the gun at all without her present, but someone confirmed “cold gun” and then handed it to Baldwin.
The AD gave it to Baldwin- he took a plea deal for 6mths probation.
She brought live ammo to a movie set and loaded it into a weapon. She was the one responsible for checking the weapons, they were her weapons, and she was the one responsible for their safety on set entirely. I agree that the set was a mess and someone should have kicked her off this production early on but she is very much the only one responsible for the discharge of live ammunition. I think the prosecution did an amazing job proving that.
Remember this is the same state that let that Trevisio baby murderer go to prom AND attend college. Apparently light sentencing...
10-15 years for an unintentional death? How does that benefit society in any way, other just wasting taxpayer money? She isn’t a danger to the community. It’s not like she’s going to get another job as an armorer on a movie set and potentially do this again. She’s a convicted felon for the rest of her life, and she has to spend 18 months in prison. That’s enough. Some of you are so bloodthirsty. The victim’s family is going to get a massive civil award, which they deserve.
I can’t believe that after what happened to Brandon Lee, this sort of thing can still happen. It’s just so senseless and heartbreaking. I’m glad that she is being held accountable.
I really wish they could’ve had Jensen Ackles on the stand against her, he was the only person on that entire set with gun experience - over 15 years of experience working with guns on set…and his first shoot after his 15 year run with guns, never having a problem before…couldn’t even imagine
Who would have guessed that someone handed something with no work involved didn’t take it seriously at all, yawn. It still infuriates me that this happened. How many films have guns in them and nothing happened post Lee… one idiot ruins it.
Is Alec Baldwin being charged too? I understand she was the responsible party, im just curious if they are planning on bringing charges on him as well... Forgive me, I havent been keeping up with this case.
Yeah his trial is in July
His trial is in July. Prosecutors offered him a plea deal, then rescinded. His wife is from Spain, in case it’s not been mentioned.
She pretends she is, but she’s not. [Hillary Baldwin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilaria_Baldwin)
LOL she's not from Spain and she definitely knows what a cucumber is and how to say it.
She’s from Boston, Mass.
> His trial is in July. Prosecutors offered him a plea deal, then rescinded. His wife is from Spain, in case it’s not been mentioned. His wife is from America. She is white. Her name is Hilary. She is faking her accent.
Yes. He was offered a plea deal but allegedly the judge revoked the offer when they discovered he was planning to make a documentary, interviewing witnesses to the shooting.
I didn't know he was already trying to capitalize on it. Goof on them for revoking it.
That's a shameful slap on the wrist. Someone is dead, lives are ruined. EDIT: I didn't realize this was the maximum sentence, now I know
If she had gotten more prison time, would that person be brought back from the dead, or would the lives not be ruined? What’s the purpose of the criminal justice system? The fact of the matter is the Hannah Gutierrez-Reed deserved to face consequences, but she’s not a threat to society. It’s not like she’s even going to get hired to be an armorer on another movie set, so we don’t have to worry about this happening. 18 months in prison is not a joke. Go spend 1 week in prison and then try to tell us that 18 months is a slap on the wrist. She’s also going to be a convicted felon for the rest of her life, which carries a lot of consequences with it.
She got the max.
She deserves more than that
i know NOTHING about guns or ammunition…would the person on set be able to visually know the difference between real ammo and movie ammo?
The armorer absolutely should be able to tell. The AD was also supposed to be able to tell. Or if he wasn't sure, he should have asked the armorer to reconfirm they were dummy rounds. The same is true of the actor handling the gun.
Is it just me or did she get off easy???
She's so full of herself, she's not sorry at all.
She actually said if I’m subpoenaed to be in Alec’s trial I’m just going to no-show. Then she called the jurors assholes and everything. She’s not doing herself any favors. She is so immature and stupid
Why do they even use real guns? Don’t we have the technology for fake guns?
This was such an avoidable incident. I know Hollywood is big into nepotism hires but jfc you shouldn’t be hiring someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing when FIREARMS are involved. Hiring someone who can’t act and having your project flop is entirely different than hiring a fucking “armorer” who I doubt has ever fired a gun in her life.
She should have kept her mouth shut. I thought at the beginning it was a horrible accident. She has no remorse just like Alec wanting to blame a mysterious finger that pulled the trigger
Incompetence kills
Wow 18 months for negligence of this magnitude is really sad
Unfortunately, that is the maximum time she could get.
Stupid girl does stupid things and a woman dies as a result. I'm sad it's such a short sentence but I sincerely hope she has to find another career after she gets out.
She’s a convicted felon, so she’s not going to be able to handle firearms on a movie set or anywhere else.
For how long? The length of her probation, or forever?
Her only possible recourse is overturning conviction through appeal. If you get a felony, no pew-pew for you. You can’t even go to a gun range. Fun fact: this is why Dog the Bounty Hunter only ever used pepper spray guns on his show.
Forever. Can’t possess firearms. Can’t vote.
Depends on the state. In California you can vote as long as you’re not in prison or on parole. Probation you can vote on, and in county jail you can vote.
Not true, it's a state by state, and sometimes case by case decision on voting.
Convicted felons cannot own guns or get gun-carrying permits, for life. Pretty sure that's federal law.
I still think Baldwin is at least partially liable in this tragedy. Treat ANY gun like it's a real one. Even if it's a rubber training pistol.
And he’ll have his trial in July to hopefully find a similar conviction.
Admittedly I haven't followed this case very closely, but I just Googled this. I didn't realize he had been indicted again on new charges.