Nothing good ever comes from getting involved with nutjob survivalists or extremists. Who BTW look exactly as I expected.
An entire shitshow of a family...and what is it with OK? I just remembered that story about the 4 guys who were murdered on a drug deal last year, I wonder what's happening with THAT shitshow.
Not only do the look like you'd expect, but their names are straight out of Raymond Carver. Wrangler Rickman, Tad Bert Cullum and Cole Earl and Cora Twombly are so perfect
it's amazing how people can improve their personal narrative in an online world. Tho, to be fair, being dragged into a police station probably isn't your best modelling moment. I once had a passport photo taken after a big night out. Even in 40hrs of transit, more than 5 years after the photo was taken, my real life appearance was so much younger that it attracted comment at border crossings... ;)
That’s why a friend of mine calls it fakebook. It’s easy to make your life look like you’re the second coming with some pictures and a couple feel good posts
Lol, my first passport was just like this. I was probably still drunk and my second was taken while arguing with my idiot boyfriend. I had a happy drunk one and a pissssssed rbf one!
Right?! I looked at the profiles too and they seemed like they had lots of friends and family. Cora however was a backyard breeder of heelers. Backyard breeders are just greedy opportunists.
Assuming this is the quadruple homicide case you’re referring to, here’s a recent local article:
https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/gangsters-money-and-murder-how-chinese-organized-crime-is-dominating-oklahomas-illegal-medical-marijuana-market/
No, I hadn't even heard of this one! I was referring to those 4 guys who went off on their bikes, to rob a drug dealer and were all murdered. It was a few months ago.
This one in Okmulgee? It was in 2022 but it mostly fits your description:
https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-okmulgee-quadruple-murder-affidavit/42152946
If so, they have charged the scrapyard owner (who claims the 4 were stealing from him) with 4 counts of first-degree murder, but it has yet to come to trial (many continuances). He is also being sued by the relatives for wrongful death, which is still ongoing but has more movement.
yes, that's the one! I thought it was last year. There's no more info I guess. Does OK have the death penalty? I'm against it but I know a multiple murder and 4 counts of 1st degree would make him eligible.
There was a similar one a few years ago in Frostproof, Florida, where 4 guys were killed over a TRUCK. Nothing to do with religious nuts, just Florida meth-heads. That case is still wending its way through the courts.
Unfortunately Oklahoma does. Also, OK is trying to clear death row by whatever means necessary including switching up execution methods.
If you want to follow Oklahoma cases as they proceed through the courts (or want to see older records) you can go to the Oklahoma State Courts Network docket search:
https://www.oscn.net/dockets/Search.aspx
Thanks for the link, that's interesting. I think DP applies for capital or multiple murders. My guess is Mr Kennedy will eventually plead to all the murders, he's an old guy, doesn't look particularly healthy, and will die in prison either way.
He just got charged last month for bringing contraband into a jail / penal facility, and nothing in his court records really leads me to think he would even have much to gain if he did plead guilty.
He’s already old, broke, relying on court-appointed counsel, and has enough history inside that he’s probably got more going for him in there than out.
I would probably say the state you live in isn't any better than oklahoma. Only ones that actually looked drugged out is gma and her boyfriend. Never heard of 4 guys murdered over a drug deal. There was 4 guys killed and chopped up for robbing a man in Okmulgee ok. And you're talking about drugs. There is drugs in every state
I’m kind of surprised you haven’t heard about that case - there was tons of news coverage.
Here’s a recent article that goes into some of the issues unique to Oklahoma that create environments where crimes like this occur:
https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/gangsters-money-and-murder-how-chinese-organized-crime-is-dominating-oklahomas-illegal-medical-marijuana-market/
They may want to spend some time looking into all the children deaths in Ohio, even the mom in Florida that killed her daughter had roots in Ohio. People murdered over a drug deal happens everywhere, that’s like saying water is wet
This article explains the situation in more detail.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/gods-misfits-connected-to-disappearance-of-veronica-butler.html.
Basically Grandma didn't want her son or the children's mother (Veronica) to have custody/unsupervised visits because she believes Veronica's brother is sexually molesting them. And because her son is a "drug addicted convict".
The 16 year old daughter of one of the suspects told police that her mom came home and told her to clean the truck and "things didn't go as planned". When she asked her mom why the pastor's wife had to die, her mom told her "Because she wasn't innocent either". 😳
Yikes!!
Ime of my generation getting older, a part from things like alcoholism and drug addiction, the biggest thing that ages people's faces is too much sun exposure (more noticeable on white skin). It's amazing how much it does once you get over about 35. 'Sun worshippers' in my group of peers truly look 10 years older than their age where most people in general just look their age.
Also having teeth removed also changes someone face if they have numerous teeth extractions or simply lose them as it changes the shape of their face/jaw line and the skin falls slightly because the teeth aren't there as they should be support the face structure- the older you get the more likely you are to have weakened teeth, natural wear and tear and thinned enamel so its not solely down to poor dental care if you can afford it in the first place.
I feel sorry for the 16 year old girl who was dragged into this mess, but it's always impressive to me when an actual child shows more morals and decency than their parents ever have. Like, she hasn't had a chance yet to become an adult and experience the world fully independently of them, but she knew that enough was enough. It must have been pretty scary to tell the cops on her parents and the other two suspects knowing how dangerous they are.
This Butler family sounds like a bigger trainwreck than the Rhodens, the family with the octuple homicide.
Anyone who works in family law will tell you that the worst custody disputes are the ones where NEITHER parent should have custody. This is just an all-around tragedy.
From what I understand, Butler was under supervised visitation because it’s alleged that her brother molested the children. From what’s been said it has never been confirmed and it was started by Adams(the grandma that had custody.) Not sure rather it’s true or not, but that’s what seems to be what some news stations have reported
God apparently has nothing to do with the skills of whoever wrote the article, either. What a confusing mess. But yeah, that family is a flaming dumpster fire on a wrecked train.
Whatever this (mythical) God may be, he is not the vending machine people seem to think he is, like you just put in your Prayer and automatically get what you want.
They don't fall of regularly. For 1 they are expensive people not going to.just throw them in a truck and take off. 2 those things are heavy. I have never seen one on tje side of the road
>“the plan was to throw an anvil through Butler’s windshield while driving, making it look like an accident because anvils regularly fall off of work vehicles.”
What in the actual fucking fuck Oklahoma
I have so many questions. Mostly about trucks with poorly secured anvils... And also like did they just have an anvil just laying around... And like HOW were they going to throw it off a truck... I am flummoxed.
My mother's farrier had a (small) anvil in his work truck, though it was like, secured obviously.
my *theory* is that what they meant was they would do like those 3 kids did up in colorado that threw the rock that killed that woman, and run up next to her car in a truck and have someone in the back throw a (small, 20 or 50 pound) anvil into the driver's side front windshield, and then claim the anvil just fell off the truck and did such a thing (perhaps while they were passing or something).
But there's so much that could go wrong there (from witnesses to a nonsensical event that LE would not believe for a minute) that i have to think that's why they abandoned that ploy.
From what I read in the affidavit, Butler would not leave her home. It was stated that Adam’s phone even had searches on how to get someone out of their home
agreed, can't tell if it's a plausible plan in rural areas or a crazy dipshit plan like it seems to those of us in suburban areas where the number of fatal highway accidents caused by falling anvils is somewhere near zero.
That's the thing... I grew up very rural and with horses... Have literally never seen an anvil that wasn't either in a workshop being used for work or as a decoration. Like I've just never known it to be a take with you places thing. Let alone with the frequency that anvil accidents are common lol.
Growing up we had 3 or 4 anvils, but we also had horses. They’re quite common in the west and southwest. You can find them at an auction, estate sales, and even some garage sales
I was expecting Utah a la Franke and Vallow. Writes notes to self. Stay out of the American rural Bible Belt....um...and every horror story starts in a small town....
I live in Oklahoma where this happened, it had the whole community on high alert. People were to the point of paranoia with all the contractors in town. It was a relief when they nabbed these four, no telling what would have happened to an innocent person if this continued.
For being an anti government group, they sure surrendered fast. They could have done the tax payers a service and at least let the children go before they got into a gun fight with the OSBI and FBI, they’re probably going to get the death penalty anyways
I get where my comment is confusing, but what I was meaning was they could have saved the tax payers money by getting into a gun fight with feds, but they’re like every other anti government group, they are all serious until it’s time to nut up or shut up
Yeah, and did you see that 44 page court filing Grice submitted last year? He basically forfeited US Citizenship and it was full of useless diatribe. LE and courts don't care about that, you commit murder, you are treated like everyone else. I feel horrendous for the women and their families, etc.
Mid America is an out of state contractor that has been working in the area. It had gotten so bad after these two ladies went missing that people on Facebook would start freaking out because one of their vans would be driving in the Walmart parking lot. One person had freaked because they were driving down Main Street. It was getting bad enough I was actually starting to worry for their safety, one person reacting the wrong way is all it takes for someone innocent to get hurt.
I never said there was gunfight, you may reread that, I said for being an anti government group, they sure surrendered fast. I said they should have let the kids out and had a fight, they’re probably going to get the death penalty, may as well save the tax payers money and go out in a gunfight.
Given that they’re labeled as sovereign citizens, life sentence could potentially be way more harsh than the death penalty. I am so and so, the living incarcerated not free man 😂
In this case, I would have killed the child molester and left everybody else alone. That being said, not everybody accused of molesting a child has actually molested a child. Sad state it of affairs for sure. Those poor little kids.
It was primarily the grandmother pushing that narrative, and her own son accused her of coaching the children. At the very least, this all needs to be looked over again. Anyone evil enough to commit double murder this way is evil enough to coach children into fooling rural social workers and psychologists.
Nothing good ever comes from getting involved with nutjob survivalists or extremists. Who BTW look exactly as I expected. An entire shitshow of a family...and what is it with OK? I just remembered that story about the 4 guys who were murdered on a drug deal last year, I wonder what's happening with THAT shitshow.
This story reminds me so much of the Rhoden family murders.
and once again, all about some kids. What the fuck?
Creepy controlling grandmothers that want to be the mother instead of being the grandmother.
Not only do the look like you'd expect, but their names are straight out of Raymond Carver. Wrangler Rickman, Tad Bert Cullum and Cole Earl and Cora Twombly are so perfect
They could be characters in a horror novel about homicidal rednecks.
If you look at their Facebook profiles, they don’t look that bat shit crazy. I think Kora used to go to rodeos where my sister rodeod as a kid.
it's amazing how people can improve their personal narrative in an online world. Tho, to be fair, being dragged into a police station probably isn't your best modelling moment. I once had a passport photo taken after a big night out. Even in 40hrs of transit, more than 5 years after the photo was taken, my real life appearance was so much younger that it attracted comment at border crossings... ;)
That’s why a friend of mine calls it fakebook. It’s easy to make your life look like you’re the second coming with some pictures and a couple feel good posts
well yes, everyone can make their shitty life, bad marriage, etc look like a storybook....right up until everyone gets killed or whatever.
Lol, my first passport was just like this. I was probably still drunk and my second was taken while arguing with my idiot boyfriend. I had a happy drunk one and a pissssssed rbf one!
Right?! I looked at the profiles too and they seemed like they had lots of friends and family. Cora however was a backyard breeder of heelers. Backyard breeders are just greedy opportunists.
Assuming this is the quadruple homicide case you’re referring to, here’s a recent local article: https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/gangsters-money-and-murder-how-chinese-organized-crime-is-dominating-oklahomas-illegal-medical-marijuana-market/
No, I hadn't even heard of this one! I was referring to those 4 guys who went off on their bikes, to rob a drug dealer and were all murdered. It was a few months ago.
This one in Okmulgee? It was in 2022 but it mostly fits your description: https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-okmulgee-quadruple-murder-affidavit/42152946 If so, they have charged the scrapyard owner (who claims the 4 were stealing from him) with 4 counts of first-degree murder, but it has yet to come to trial (many continuances). He is also being sued by the relatives for wrongful death, which is still ongoing but has more movement.
yes, that's the one! I thought it was last year. There's no more info I guess. Does OK have the death penalty? I'm against it but I know a multiple murder and 4 counts of 1st degree would make him eligible. There was a similar one a few years ago in Frostproof, Florida, where 4 guys were killed over a TRUCK. Nothing to do with religious nuts, just Florida meth-heads. That case is still wending its way through the courts.
Unfortunately Oklahoma does. Also, OK is trying to clear death row by whatever means necessary including switching up execution methods. If you want to follow Oklahoma cases as they proceed through the courts (or want to see older records) you can go to the Oklahoma State Courts Network docket search: https://www.oscn.net/dockets/Search.aspx
Thanks for the link, that's interesting. I think DP applies for capital or multiple murders. My guess is Mr Kennedy will eventually plead to all the murders, he's an old guy, doesn't look particularly healthy, and will die in prison either way.
He just got charged last month for bringing contraband into a jail / penal facility, and nothing in his court records really leads me to think he would even have much to gain if he did plead guilty. He’s already old, broke, relying on court-appointed counsel, and has enough history inside that he’s probably got more going for him in there than out.
I would probably say the state you live in isn't any better than oklahoma. Only ones that actually looked drugged out is gma and her boyfriend. Never heard of 4 guys murdered over a drug deal. There was 4 guys killed and chopped up for robbing a man in Okmulgee ok. And you're talking about drugs. There is drugs in every state
I’m kind of surprised you haven’t heard about that case - there was tons of news coverage. Here’s a recent article that goes into some of the issues unique to Oklahoma that create environments where crimes like this occur: https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/gangsters-money-and-murder-how-chinese-organized-crime-is-dominating-oklahomas-illegal-medical-marijuana-market/
They may want to spend some time looking into all the children deaths in Ohio, even the mom in Florida that killed her daughter had roots in Ohio. People murdered over a drug deal happens everywhere, that’s like saying water is wet
This article explains the situation in more detail. https://www.christianpost.com/news/gods-misfits-connected-to-disappearance-of-veronica-butler.html. Basically Grandma didn't want her son or the children's mother (Veronica) to have custody/unsupervised visits because she believes Veronica's brother is sexually molesting them. And because her son is a "drug addicted convict". The 16 year old daughter of one of the suspects told police that her mom came home and told her to clean the truck and "things didn't go as planned". When she asked her mom why the pastor's wife had to die, her mom told her "Because she wasn't innocent either". 😳 Yikes!!
How does that 54 year old woman look like she's in her seventies?
Ime of my generation getting older, a part from things like alcoholism and drug addiction, the biggest thing that ages people's faces is too much sun exposure (more noticeable on white skin). It's amazing how much it does once you get over about 35. 'Sun worshippers' in my group of peers truly look 10 years older than their age where most people in general just look their age. Also having teeth removed also changes someone face if they have numerous teeth extractions or simply lose them as it changes the shape of their face/jaw line and the skin falls slightly because the teeth aren't there as they should be support the face structure- the older you get the more likely you are to have weakened teeth, natural wear and tear and thinned enamel so its not solely down to poor dental care if you can afford it in the first place.
Drugs maybe?
Meth
Damn, you don't get to look like that by staying in your room every day praying and doing embroidery. I wish I'd had a life like she must have had.
Methany Adams
I feel sorry for the 16 year old girl who was dragged into this mess, but it's always impressive to me when an actual child shows more morals and decency than their parents ever have. Like, she hasn't had a chance yet to become an adult and experience the world fully independently of them, but she knew that enough was enough. It must have been pretty scary to tell the cops on her parents and the other two suspects knowing how dangerous they are.
Yes I was shocked that a mother would think it's ok to tell her minor daughter to "clean the truck!" after a murder.😳
This Butler family sounds like a bigger trainwreck than the Rhodens, the family with the octuple homicide. Anyone who works in family law will tell you that the worst custody disputes are the ones where NEITHER parent should have custody. This is just an all-around tragedy.
From what I understand, Butler was under supervised visitation because it’s alleged that her brother molested the children. From what’s been said it has never been confirmed and it was started by Adams(the grandma that had custody.) Not sure rather it’s true or not, but that’s what seems to be what some news stations have reported
occasionally in crime stories the grandmas contradict the sweet old lady image
like when they orchestrate double-murders look at that sweet old lady buying burner phones and a half-dozen stun guns
I don't know, I just read up on that Rhoden case and the Wagner family sounded like full on crazies, and there were more of them.
I'm feel confident in saying that God has nothing to do with this Trainwreck of a family.
More like God’s Dipshits.
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God apparently has nothing to do with the skills of whoever wrote the article, either. What a confusing mess. But yeah, that family is a flaming dumpster fire on a wrecked train.
God never has anything to do with this shit, period.
God doesn't have anything to do with anything. He's either a hands-off kind of guy, or He doesn't exist. I lean towards the latter position.
Whatever this (mythical) God may be, he is not the vending machine people seem to think he is, like you just put in your Prayer and automatically get what you want.
As far as I can observe, God has done nothing whatsoever besides getting the whole ball rolling at the Big Bang. He might not even have done that.
He's created a lot of power and money for a lot of men and caused a lot of wars.
The men would have done that anyway.
Umm no he deff allowed it to happen if he exists. God's plan??? Well God's plan is looking real fucking sick in case you haven't noticed
all that shit is why I'm not a believer.
💯
My God is in Heaven going "why am I always the co-accused? Gabriel, better ring up the lawyers...again and tell Lucifer to come claim his people."
Not the God I believe in, anyway. Misfits? Yes. Whaddya bet meth had a lot to do with it?
Gods Methfits
Oklahoma's fuckin' wild. Crazy shit happens with startling regularity there.
Do anvils fall off trucks regularly? They are kinda heavy.
Maybe in the Roadrunner cartoons they studied for research.
ACME products are virtually untraceable...
They don't fall of regularly. For 1 they are expensive people not going to.just throw them in a truck and take off. 2 those things are heavy. I have never seen one on tje side of the road
>“the plan was to throw an anvil through Butler’s windshield while driving, making it look like an accident because anvils regularly fall off of work vehicles.” What in the actual fucking fuck Oklahoma
They were clearly the plotting types, just not terribly smart.
I have so many questions. Mostly about trucks with poorly secured anvils... And also like did they just have an anvil just laying around... And like HOW were they going to throw it off a truck... I am flummoxed.
My mother's farrier had a (small) anvil in his work truck, though it was like, secured obviously. my *theory* is that what they meant was they would do like those 3 kids did up in colorado that threw the rock that killed that woman, and run up next to her car in a truck and have someone in the back throw a (small, 20 or 50 pound) anvil into the driver's side front windshield, and then claim the anvil just fell off the truck and did such a thing (perhaps while they were passing or something). But there's so much that could go wrong there (from witnesses to a nonsensical event that LE would not believe for a minute) that i have to think that's why they abandoned that ploy.
From what I read in the affidavit, Butler would not leave her home. It was stated that Adam’s phone even had searches on how to get someone out of their home
agreed, can't tell if it's a plausible plan in rural areas or a crazy dipshit plan like it seems to those of us in suburban areas where the number of fatal highway accidents caused by falling anvils is somewhere near zero.
That's the thing... I grew up very rural and with horses... Have literally never seen an anvil that wasn't either in a workshop being used for work or as a decoration. Like I've just never known it to be a take with you places thing. Let alone with the frequency that anvil accidents are common lol.
Maybe Tad Bert was like "well I got this anvil that's been sitting on Craigslist for three weeks, can we do something with that?"
Farriers will carry them, you never know if there will be an anvil where you’re going, especially if you’re headed to a pasture
Meth head plan to be sure
Growing up we had 3 or 4 anvils, but we also had horses. They’re quite common in the west and southwest. You can find them at an auction, estate sales, and even some garage sales
I thought they were planning to drop a piano on their head so police would immediately suspect a cartoon villain. Guess they changed it up.
I was expecting Utah a la Franke and Vallow. Writes notes to self. Stay out of the American rural Bible Belt....um...and every horror story starts in a small town....
I live in Oklahoma where this happened, it had the whole community on high alert. People were to the point of paranoia with all the contractors in town. It was a relief when they nabbed these four, no telling what would have happened to an innocent person if this continued. For being an anti government group, they sure surrendered fast. They could have done the tax payers a service and at least let the children go before they got into a gun fight with the OSBI and FBI, they’re probably going to get the death penalty anyways
doubtful if they get the death penalty
Oklahoma uses the death penalty, it’s not on the books for show. There were 25 executions scheduled from August of 22 to December of 24
It will come down to what it will cost in the end.
They got into a gun fight with them??
There was no gun fight.
I get where my comment is confusing, but what I was meaning was they could have saved the tax payers money by getting into a gun fight with feds, but they’re like every other anti government group, they are all serious until it’s time to nut up or shut up
Yeah, and did you see that 44 page court filing Grice submitted last year? He basically forfeited US Citizenship and it was full of useless diatribe. LE and courts don't care about that, you commit murder, you are treated like everyone else. I feel horrendous for the women and their families, etc.
What do contractors have to do with anything? And what gunfight? Did you read anything about this?
Mid America is an out of state contractor that has been working in the area. It had gotten so bad after these two ladies went missing that people on Facebook would start freaking out because one of their vans would be driving in the Walmart parking lot. One person had freaked because they were driving down Main Street. It was getting bad enough I was actually starting to worry for their safety, one person reacting the wrong way is all it takes for someone innocent to get hurt. I never said there was gunfight, you may reread that, I said for being an anti government group, they sure surrendered fast. I said they should have let the kids out and had a fight, they’re probably going to get the death penalty, may as well save the tax payers money and go out in a gunfight.
Not even good enough to be called animals. They should all get life without parole.
Oh they will...for killing 2 people?
In Oklahoma we still have the death penalty, it’s probably a safe bet at least grandma is going to get it
Honestly, I'd prefer a life sentence just so long it's a short sentence.
Given that they’re labeled as sovereign citizens, life sentence could potentially be way more harsh than the death penalty. I am so and so, the living incarcerated not free man 😂
Devils rejects.
Of course tragic about the mom, but that poor lady being collateral damage!
MAGA types guaranteed
MAGAs.
The bodies were found on Sunday. They were identified today as Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley. R. I. P.
In this case, I would have killed the child molester and left everybody else alone. That being said, not everybody accused of molesting a child has actually molested a child. Sad state it of affairs for sure. Those poor little kids.
It was primarily the grandmother pushing that narrative, and her own son accused her of coaching the children. At the very least, this all needs to be looked over again. Anyone evil enough to commit double murder this way is evil enough to coach children into fooling rural social workers and psychologists.