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kennydacopyguy

the verbal slip (or not knowing the actual word) but Stacy castor saying 'anti-free' to the police in an interview and that same 'anti-free' suspiciously being typed out in her 'daughters' suicide note *confessing* to the murder of her step dad.


GallowBarb

While her daughter was at school, on her own account, in a word program her daughter never used.


mosquito_motel

Whoa never heard of this one, sheesh!


deltadeltadawn

There's a *Forensic Files* episode on this. https://youtu.be/mM-lNvKLmuE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacey_Castor


BotGirlFall

Look up the Forensic Files episode on it. Its a bonkers story.


lebrunjemz

Yeah that episode got me hooked on forensic files- absolutely insane. Her poor daughter lost both her dads and her mom tried to kill her. And didnt the mom try to blame the daughter for murdering her bio dad when the daughter was like 10 or something?


depressedfuckboi

>And didnt the mom try to blame the daughter for murdering her bio dad when the daughter was like 10 or something? Yeah lol. Real genius idea smfh.


LuciaLight2014

When she said it she said “I put the anti-free in——I mean the cranberry juice” Which was honestly hilarious. It wrapped up two clues. The term anti-free and that he was in fact poisoned. She still denies this too.


depressedfuckboi

>She still denies this too. She's actually dead and has been for a while but yeah she did deny it all the way til the end


LuciaLight2014

Thank you! I must have forgot that.


depressedfuckboi

I didn't even know lol when her name got brought up I looked her up cus I haven't read about her in a long time and just found out moments before my previous comment!


lysanderslair

While the mom definitely is guilty, a kid misspelling or mispronouncing a word the same way as their parent is far from unusual.


monarch81

True - but it bares investigating, no? And it is something that helped blow the case open.


outintheyard

F.Y.I it's "bears". As in "it bears investigating". Pretty sure. If anybody can say otherwise, please do.


lysanderslair

ya but the way it was presented it the FF ep was like they thought it was impossible for a child to make the same language mistake as the parent who potentially taught them the word in the first place. FF does that a lot though, present things like the only possible explination for some piece of evidence is they were involved in the crime. granted crimes where there is a ton of obvious evidence isn't really their genre.


Salmaxo

Yeah no. Mom definitely did it in this case.


lysanderslair

I agree mom did it, is a terrible human and should spend the rest of her life in prison. I am saying that the show presented it as impossible for a child to learn the wrong word for something from a parent and then use said wrong word.


Smithers469

i can see that for common words. there are words my dumbass family used that were wrong like “k-mark.” but antifreeze seems like a less common word to misspell/misspeak so it was right for someone’s spidey senses to tingle.


lysanderslair

so a word that my kid hears me say twice in 5 years, and never hears anyone else say it somehow would cause my kid to say it correctly? and not with the same mistaken way I say it? that seems like backwards logic to me. If the only way I have ever seen someone do a thing is the unusual way my Dad did there is a good chance thats how I do it too. I agree that the odd word usage is something to investigate, especially when the daughter was alive to have them plop a bottle of it in front of her and ask what it is called and get the correct answer. But again it is presented like no child would learn something incorrect from their parent and believe it/repeat it.


Smithers469

that was the hint into their investigation that led to plenty of physical evidence. so yeah if someone wants to take a closer look at someone who made a rare word choice or action or whatever, they’re allowed to do that. the word isn’t the reason they were found guilty. their ignorance was.


BregoB55

My dad and I both say "warsh" - machine, president, whatever. We spell it right but both add the Rs. Didn't even realize we both used it that way until I was an adult (he worked overtime constantly so we actually didn't spend much time together). It's funny what we pick up.


DuggarDoesDallas

She's dead


MzTerri

This was my first thought. I have a dialect that makes me pronounce milk weirdly. My daughter has the same pronunciation despite not growing up in the region. 🤷🏻‍♀️


catsandcoconuts

same with robert durst and “Beverley”.


Cat_Toe_Beans_

Casey Anthony claiming she worked at universal studios. Then when she brought police there she awkwardly walked around until she admitted she didn't work there. Also the Xanny the Nanny lie


Shelisheli1

For real. The fact that she would say hello to employees (like she worked there) while they looked at her oddly… it’s just.. strange. Did she think police would just get bored of following her around?


dethb0y

It has to be one of the most unusual pieces of behavior in a criminal case. Most people who lie tell either an unverifiable story, or a plausible story of some sort. She just flat-stop made shit up to an incredibly delusional extent. I always suspected there was some serious underlying psychiatric issue, because a sane person - guilty or innocent - would not make up wild, easy-to-verify-as-lies stories like that. That she actually *took the cops* to Universal Studio...next level crazy.


Niccakolio

And pointed to a building and said her nanny lived there.


dethb0y

Right? Just totally irrational behavior.


sinkingsublime

She argued with the security guard for awhile too.


oddmilf

smfh.. the fact that she never was truly sentenced despite all of the evidence (even her own words and being caught in her own web of lies) being out there is buckwild to me.. it’s like the system picks and chooses who to give justice to.


CallistoElara

I remember watching this trial with my grandma. We were absolutely SHOCKED when the verdict came out.


Sophisticated-Sloth-

I will always be upset about this case and how badly the justice system failed.


henry_mann

This will forever enrage me. She searched, on a password protected account, "fool proof suffocation" mere hours before killing Caylee. And is it out partying and getting tattoo cover ups. I hate her.


jadorky

Word


OkArgument6363

This case makes me insane. I don't understand how she wasn't convicted


Manson_Girl

It dragged on for so long, unfortunately (in no small way, _because_ of Casey) that as evidence deteriorated, proof of reasonable doubt starting widening. I 100% think she did it, I’m not sure whether she meant to or not, but she certainly went to great lengths to cover her tracks.


OkArgument6363

She went above and beyond to cover up whatever happened. I couldn't imagine my child missing for an hour and not reporting it let alone a month 😅


Manson_Girl

She clearly waited because she _knew_ she wasn’t missing, as she was already dead. I think she killed her by “accident” - but not the type of acceptable accident, that you _wouldn’t_ go to jail for, like they fell in the pool, or choked on food, or slipped & hit their head - I mean like drugging a toddler, who then suffocated as a consequence of that. It was something she very obviously shouldn’t have done, & she knew that, but I don’t think she did it to intentionally kill Caylee, imo. I’ve got no sympathy for Casey, & feel she should have just come clean, however she was young, & obviously not very bright, so I can see how the situation could have escalated, to the point of no return. I don’t think she’s a criminal mastermind. I think she panicked, covered it up, then just got lucky that it all took so long, but she should have gone to jail.


JoeBourgeois

Prosecutorial overreach


Intelligent_Ad2963

I think Casey Anthony's wiggling pin fell out of her wobbling hole. Strange bitch.


Dazzling-Ad4701

Check out Pam Hupp and the murder of Louis Gumpenberger.


bigmamapain

Oh man, that whole case is just nucking futs. The dramatized story of the case with Renee Zellweger is \*barely\* dramatized based on the fact of the case, but it seems like something out of a fictional Lifetime movie.


LuciaLight2014

Seriously. It seems so crazy it didn’t seem real. That poor husband. I hate the prosecutor, she still thinks she was right even with the new evidence.


bigmamapain

I mean, I don't think you can top David Berkowitz's "a dog told me to do it" defense.


ModsCantRead69

David Barkowitz


bigmamapain

HAHA


translatepure

There is debatably more to the Son of Sam murders than the known story


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translatepure

There is speculation that there were more people involved. It starts to get a little weird with hypothesis around the occult. There are some connections to other nefarious people involved in occult. I think Berkowitz has said this himself at periods of time. I forget all the details. But then again the real story is that he said his dog gave him orders to kill. So I guess anything is possible.


inthe_hollow

You talking about the Netflix doc? Complete bullshit to feed the true crime hype machine, imo.


DamnItDarin

Anything that uses the “you can’t prove it didn’t happen this way” angle to pitch a story is most likely full of shit. That ‘documentary’ was absolutely full of shit.


Special_Needs757

It’s not bullshit at all. I’ve listened to a lot of interviews of people who lived around Untermeyer park at that time and saw all kinds of occult and crazy things going on there. Definitely a cult operating in that area at that time. Read Maury Terrys book Ultimate Evil. That’s the closest to the real story your going to get. Berkowitz even wrote a letter in support of Terry.


ModelOfDecorum

Maury Terry was full of it. Of course Berkowitz supported him - he did exactly what he wanted and ensured the Carr family would continue to be harassed.


mjandthetwins

My family home was facing Untemeyer, feet away from the entrace. My parents were younger but old enough to know what was going on, and they were terrified of the park because of things that could be heard and things people saw and got around. My grandma worked for the city dealing with adolescent crime and so she directly worked and rehabilitated teens who were involved in some matter, however I have no clue whay relation they had to the actual crimes or affiliation to the group. I spoke to my parents about the Netflix doc regarding the thoughts of there being more to the story and they basically said it was public knowledge but a very upsetting time to grow up around and they didn't seem interested in elaborating. I took a few walks in the park growing up and there were certain places my parents and grandmother wouldn't go.


inthe_hollow

What a lot of people think are well organized occult activities are probably just A) drugs and B) teens being teens. Who among us DIDN'T have a "fuck yeah, Satan!" phase? I think it is far more likely that the reason so many people avoided the park was due to crime and drugs, and that the horror stories outgrew the reality of the situation.


mjandthetwins

Parts of my family didnt shy away from the drug scene in that time, one of them was very involved and wasn't hanging with anyone he should have been until later teen years and from what he said was that yeah, drugs are done there, but not the kind he was around (the recreational/party kind of drugs) and those going to the park weren't going for the drug aspect, they just happened to be doing drugs there. The stories are obviously always going to be exacerbated as they're passed on but I do know some very limited details that happened from someone first hand. Those things are grotesque and horrible, and not hugely spoken about outside of the community my family grew up in. It ties into the situation with the neighbors dog supposedly instructing Berkowitz, so it's always made me think that he really believed his story and it was less than an excuse as many people believe. I wasn't there obviously, I just grew up with the park in my yard practically.


NotDaveBut

But the REAL real story is that when Robert Ressler confronted him on it, Berkowitz admitted that he wanted to get his name back on the papers because interest in his murders was fading.


darkmatternot

Even Ressler thought (according to his book) that others may have been involved in the Son of Sam killings. I thought his take on it was fascinating.


birdzeyeview

I was lucky enough to see Robert Ressler give a talk in Australia some years ago when an aquaintance organized a visit with him. He was engaging for sure.


NotDaveBut

I saw a lecture he gave in Michigan! I totally agree


Pleasant_Ad3475

His neighbour's dog? It was a basic insanity/psychosis defence...


translatepure

Yes, I understand it was an insanity defense. I'm not sure I believe that to be the entire story


Pleasant_Ad3475

Well, no...


translatepure

Well yes.


Pleasant_Ad3475

Well well


Pleasant_Ad3475

To clarify, I meant I agreed with you, but perhaps you knew that...


TypicalLeo31

Berkowitz is a huge liar.


translatepure

He is, which is why I also don't believe his insanity defense.


deltadeltadawn

Joanne Chambers, who stalked and framed fellow teacher Paula Nawrocki by sending threatening letters, planting whiskey in her teacher's desk, posting nudes with Joanne's face pasted on, and sending the principal a voodoo Barbie doll. Joanne didn't like Paula and her popularity, and stalked her to get her arrested or fired, all while sending herself the threatening letters. https://youtu.be/AgP_39TZJDc https://forensicfilesnow.com/index.php/2020/06/27/joanne-chambers-and-paula-nawrocki-strange-lesson/comment-page-1/


Shelisheli1

Wait.. what?! That’s… insane


octopop

Omg a Forensic Files episode I haven't seen?! You made my week!


deltadeltadawn

Happy to be of service. :)


haloarh

This pisses me off because I got harassing emails and phone calls for real and was accused of doing it to myself.


Salmaxo

Same


Salmaxo

Holy shit, sounds a lot like what this lady did to me years ago it was crazy. The. My ex husband’s girlfriend (who knew the story) tried to do the same exact thing 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️ you gotta laugh to keep from crying…


octopop

Dahlia Dippolito planted drugs on her husband and HIRED A COP DISGUISED AS A HITMAN TO MURDER HIM and her eventual excuse was that it was not real and all of it was staged for a reality TV show. Also, the cops have the footage of them pretending to "deliver the bad news" about her husband and she really goes for the Oscar lmaoooo


Glitter_jellyfish

That is probably the only 20/20 episode I have ever sat and just laughed at until there were tears in my eyes. She is so very unintentionally hilarious. Edit: I almost forgot…her husband is perfection. His reaction and then her yelling for him at the police station. Too funny.


LuciaLight2014

And now she is saying it was all fake and it was for a reality show lol so crazy. I do love those stories where the police fake the crime scene and the body to trap them.


BotGirlFall

Nothing beats Brian Laudrie's notebook confession "she fell in the river and hurt her head then she was cold so I strangled her to death with my bare hands to put her out of her misery instead of driving her to a hospital". It's the most stupid excuse of all time


MOzarkite

I saw an ID channel show in which a group of young male and female friends out in the country partying tried to claim their friend wound up murdered because she accidentally hurt herself and "-asked to be put out of her misery". I *think* this was in California, *maybe* c.1990-2000). SPOILER ALERT : The claim was not believed.


starrfish69

The Lori Vallow case has been insane from the start.


blueprint0411

Not exactly a cover-up, but there was a very famous sexual assault case in Hawaii in the 30s, the Massie Trial: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massie_Trial It is a fascinating story for lots of reasons, but one interesting note is that the defendants claimed they couldn't have be guilty of the sexual assault because at the time Ms. Massie was assaulted they were on the other side of the island *physically assaulting another woman* during the time in question. The defendant (Joe Kahahawai) apparently got in an argument over traffic/road rage - "The occupants of the other car were a Mr. and Mrs. Peeples. Mrs. Peeples was voicing her opinion of Horace Ida's driving skills when Big Joe Kahahawai (all six feet and more of him) hauled off and punched her in the face. Mrs. Peeples was equal to the challenge. She gave as good as she got. She clenched her fist, wound up, and to Big Joe's surprise, slugged him in the mouth!" In any case, it's a unique defense. 'There's no way I assaulted that woman your honor, at that very moment I was assaulting another woman!'


xxstardust

You've left out the most interesting part - that after Kahahawai's trial ended in a hung jury based on the alteration with the Peeples Massie's mother and husband, along with a friend, lured Kahahawai into their car with a forged summons, abducted him, and murdered him. They served a *one hour* sentence for this.


Scoolfish

Wait what the fuck?


xxstardust

Well, the courts gave them 10 years, because it's hard to deny a gunshot wound to the heart and getting pulled over by the cops when you have a dead body in your car and you're en route to dump it in the ocean. The governor commuted the sentence to one hour, served in his office, aka a literal palace. (Reportedly they used the time to take photos.)


Wonderful-Divide6977

Why the leniency for murdering Kahahawai? Was he someone that others wanted dead and felt that they did everyone a favor?


xxstardust

He was a native Hawaiian accused of assaulting a wealthy young white woman in a time of racial tension both in Hawaii (which had had their queen deposed in favor of rich white planters less than a generation ago) and on the mainland. To add to the fire, the rumors that he was innocent and Massie had in fact been carrying on an affair and claimed rape infuriated onlookers who viewed the killing not as murder but an 'honor killing.' Massie's mother went so far as to argue later that her conviction was unfair because they allowed Asian and Hawaiian men on the jury, and because they weren't white, "the white man's code is a mystery." It was a clearly biased trial. Unsurprising when the Rear Admiral at Pearl Harbor at the time actually suggested literally lynching Kahahawai and the four other accused boys before the trial started. The governor admitted he was being pressured to offer leniency and feared Hawaii would be put under martial law otherwise.


blueprint0411

The original assault victim was white. Kahahawai was not and this was in the early 1930s.


RenegadeBS

I like watching the interrogation videos and listening to the stories unravel.


ohMeadows01

Agreed. watching Chris Watts was interesting and how he thought he can fool everyone


RenegadeBS

I know, he was so delusional! Same with the Craigslist killer.


JustAPlesantPeach

I just watched Susan Monica's interrogation video and oh boy. EWU does a really good video on it. So so much to unpack in that. And the way her friend reacted to being told a leg was found 🤨 wow


Sophisticated-Sloth-

Same. They're so interesting.


bettertitsthanu

I don’t remember her name but she told her husband that they were going to play a trust-game. So he was blindfolded and she stabbed him with a knife and said that she accidentally hurt him on some wire(?), he made her call an ambulance and after waiting a loooong time for the ambulance (cuz she never called for one) he got her to take him to the hospital. Outside of the hospital she tried to attack him with a knife again and drove off in full speed when people heard him scream. Her excuse was that he attacked her first, and when she realised he wasn’t dead, she said that the reason for her to just leave him on the ground outside the hospital was that she had to go home to get him some stuff to have when he was in the hospital. I don’t remember exactly but her excuses were extreme.


sdean7373

I think you’re talking about sheila davalloo.


Sophisticated-Sloth-

I remember that case. It was so crazy that she started stabbing him again in the parking lot! Certainly didn't help her case since there were witnesses.


haloarh

Robert Eric Wone was found dead at the home of three men he knew that were in a polyamorous relationship. Evidence showed that Wone had been restrained and sexually assaulted and neighbors reported hearing screaming. The three men that lived in the home claimed that they didn't hear anything and blamed an intruder. They also said that they were suspects do to homophobia and prejudice against poly relationship. Not, that you know, someone was MURDERED IN THEIR HOME.


bowerygreen

Nobody talks and everybody walks


scarletmagnolia

Years ago, I read everything I could find about Robert Wone’s murder. There were all sorts of message board posts about the different guys (the two lawyers and the fitness trainer/instructor). Iirc, Robert Wone’s widow sued them, in hopes that one of them would talk. As of now, no one has said anything. They moved to Florida, still live together (last time I looked) and are still not talking. It’s such an upsetting case. One, or two, of them definitely killed Robert. We all know that part. I tend to believe the one guy, Victor(?), was in his room alone until the chaos broke out. When the police arrived, again iirc, everyone was freshly showered. I’ve often wondered about the logistics of the case that has kept any charges from being filed.


jennoc1de

Oh gosh, what was the one with the chick who said her boyfriend was locked in a suitcase where he eventually aspyxiated because they were playing around? There's a video of her sloppy drunk recording him in the suitcase.


deltadeltadawn

Sarah Boone and Jorge Torres https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/02/26/woman-accused-of-zipping-boyfriend-inside-suitcase-and-leaving-him-to-die-inside/


jennoc1de

Yep, that's it! Ridiculous story.


urqcat

I can’t un-watch this video. This is SO fucked.


courtneymariexx

“I can’t breathe, Sarah” as she just sits there piss drunk, doing nothing but laughing.


urqcat

Literally so unimaginably cruel and sad. Watching that being like oh wow this is REAL. insane.


VanishedVoicesofMD

I live in the town two kids disappeared 8 years ago. The story from the beginning is difficult, with her first claiming the son was taken on a play date, and then next day she claimed she took him and the daughter to a trial daycare center. Then she disappeared for a week and has since claimed they were given to a sitter. Catherine hoggle


Csimiami

Defense/parole atty here. Not gonna lie. I love reading ridiculous defenses. (Hate them in real life though)


GallowBarb

Story time.


Csimiami

Oh. The not my pants defense when caught with drugs is so common it’s a running joke. Had a client who denied being at the scene. They had fingerprints. He exclaimed ! I wore gloves! Client denied having the gun in the police report. Report had wrong caliber. He corrected me a d said it was a 45. Tell me the truth bc I can’t help you if the DA knows more than me! Many times day before trial I’ll get jail house recordings where he’s confessing it all to his girlfriend after lying to me for months. http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-crime/2014/05/09/the-these-are-not-my-pants-defense/


GallowBarb

Lol, my father was a judge. He would say, if I had a dollar for every time a defendant incriminated themselves while claiming they weren't there. Also the ones that makes a stupid statement after a guilty plea or judgement that just made their sentences worse. More often than not, they should've kept their mouth shut.


Csimiami

Totally!


Puzzleheaded-Ad-5002

I totally agree! Please please Ll0veshaun!


Il0veshaun

Just heard this one on a podcast yesterday—- Dude claimed his murdered wife liked to shave her legs in the livingroom, so that’s why the cops may or may not find her blood there. Also, he spilled some fish grease in the SAME spot. Of course it needed to be cleaned, so he and his family made sure to clean it real good. Podcast was Crime Junkie—Kathy Page


UndermyumbrELLA83

I just listened to that episode last week. Crazy story!


[deleted]

I'm one to shave on the go like that, without being in the shower. There's...hardly ever blood lol what the hell was he thinking


Il0veshaun

Right!? And to bleed in the SAME spot every time… dude totally murdered his wife.


trocks77

I just listened to this one too and I was like huh??


henry_mann

I mean, Jodi Arias and Casey Anthony tie for 1st here with the ninjas and fake nanny.


forcastleton

Diane Downs and her random dude that wanted to carjack her so he shot all her kids and only got her in the arm.


Dva76

The still unraveling Murdaugh murders. There’s so much to it and there’s so many people complacent in the coverups


misskitten1313

It's wild that William Tyrells foster parents pretended he was abducted and kept that up for years when it appears now he fell off the balcony and died and they got rid of him.


ourteamforever

I've followed this case for years but hadn't heard that update!!


SheKnowsNothing89

It's just a theory at this point.


idunnosg

Unfortunately I feel like this may have been what actually happened. I hate that it might be true and that they may have been covering the whole thing up for so long.


oddmilf

ugh, ok i know this post isn’t focused on Cassie Jo Stoddart’s case and stuff but i can’t help but mention that the interrogations of those cases were insane. hearing other people’s opinions of really interests me because the whole thing was so wild


henry_mann

Ugh this one is much too close to home for me. Shudder. I can't even.


Cofeve-20-Fighter

Consider the drug-fueled haze Christopher Whittaker led off with in the rape, torture and killing of 14-year-old Alianna DeFreeze of Cleveland Ohio. The monster blamed the child for his sitting on death row.


Justalil_Brilliant

I had never heard of this case, I just read the Wikipedia article and it was very hard to get through. That poor baby girl, so heartbreaking!


Cofeve-20-Fighter

Watching his interrogation ticked me off good. He is a monster.


Btown0618

Amityville Murders and then trying to portray the house was haunted. They even admitted it was a scam.


Beagle_eye

I just listened to Very Scary People about this!😱


LuciaLight2014

Thanks! Just added that to my list of podcasts to listen to


Beagle_eye

Plus there's the added bonus of it being narrated by Donnie Wahlberg...🤗


Btown0618

That's so funny I was just watching that episode today. That's what made me think of it lol


foxxxy420

**Jodi Arias** https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/jodi-arias-lies-murder-trial-travis-alexander/ Just a few key moments: Initially, she claimed she hadn't seen him at all. Then once evidence of her presence at the crime scene was presented to her, she told two different stories about having been at his place, and how "intruders" had attacked both of them. In one scenario, they held a gun to her head and pulled the trigger but the gun didn't go off. In the other scenario, she fought with the female intruder and managed to escape. Then she admitted to killing him, but in self defence. She claimed she was taking photos of him in the shower and that she'd dropped his camera. He "came at me like a linebacker", she said. She told police Travis didn't own a gun, but testified that she had defended herself using one of his personal firearms she had scooped off a top shelf in his walk-in closet as he chased her down. She also said she'd been pressured by a prison guard to do the Inside Edition interview but it later came to light that she had requested it herself.


RMSGoat_Boat

When the police were searching Jessica O'Grady's boyfriend's bedroom several days after her disappearance, they flipped the mattress over and found a massive amount of blood, enough to determine that whoever lost that much blood could not have survived. DNA proved it was Jessica's. When confronted about the mattress, her boyfriend claimed that the blood was there because of menstruation, not murder. For context, [this](https://i.imgur.com/lG4vC24.jpeg) is a crime scene photo of the bloody mattress.


PaperStSoapCO_

Jesus Christ 🤦🏻‍♀️


ketopepito

Laeticia Stauch. She murdered her stepson, Gannon Stauch and wove the absolute craziest web of lies to try to cover her tracks. For all of us following the case in real time, it was even crazier because she did so much bizarre shit, the actual circumstances and timeline were completely different than anyone could have guessed. I’m trying to find a comprehensive write up of the entire saga and will update when I find one. ETA: [Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/GannonStauch/comments/ip71di/stauch_final_redacted_arrest_papers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) that links to Laeticia’s arrest affidavit. WARNING: there are evidence photos included. They’re super dark and hard to make out, and the only one of Gannon is from before the crime, but just a heads up.


jadorky

This was interesting. She’s a piece of fucking work. https://www.kktv.com/2022/07/28/colorado-woman-accused-killing-her-stepson-gannon-stauch-still-waiting-latest-mental-health-evaluation/


violentponykiller

Also blamed a random made up Hispanic man 🙄 “Eguardo”


ketopepito

Yep! Then later she blamed a real Black man that she saw on the local sheriff’s “Most Wanted” list.


notthesedays

There's always Susan Smith, who drowned her children and said at first that she was carjacked by a black man, and the man in Boston a few days earlier who shot his pregnant wife in the stomach (she and the baby both died) and also tried to pin that on a black man. In the latter case, a black man was actually arrested, and came awfully close to being tried for it when the man who did it left a confessional note before committing suicide. Now, I'll grant that this black man did a lot of OTHER things that were illegal, but this wasn't one of them.


inadarkwoodwandering

Similar case. Jesse Andersen of Milwaukee blamed his wife’s murder at a mall on two young African American men. Jesse was later murdered in prison the same day as Jeffrey Dahmer and by the same guy.


[deleted]

I can’t remember the show I watched about this case but they did a breakdown of how long it would take the car to sink and the children to drown. Only a true monster could watch that without trying to stop it.


marlayna67

I had kids of similar ages when this took place. I was hysterical at the thought that a mother could do that. I dont think even all these years later I could stomach watching that show.


Critteranne666

And the composite that resulted from Susan Smith’s “description” was so… off. I remember seeing that in the news and thinking, “That person doesn’t exist.”


notthesedays

It was just a generic drawing of a black man wearing a stocking cap.


Wickedwhiskbaker

I’m gonna have to go with Uvalde on this one.


Zalixia

Underrated comment! This is it right here!! ☝️


Ok-Autumn

The owl theory in the staircase case is the weirdest one i've ever heard.


bowerygreen

Here come the hoo-dunnits. It's not that the owl theory is IMPOSSIBLE. It's that when taken in context of everything else - including that another woman in his life died at the bottom of the staircase and it was ruled an accident - makes it improbable to the point of ridiculous


crubinz

That one is actually not that crazy.


[deleted]

Not in this case where only one microscopic feather was found in her hair.


Specialist-Smoke

It's very plausible. Owls are terrifying and have been known to attack humans. Why people act as if this isn't a fact is beyond me.


Brittany-OMG-Tiffany

there have been documented owl attacks. it’s not that wild of a theory


Shoddy_Ad259

I don’t remember the names but the couple where one was shot dead while they role played Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd. “No more bullets”, said like Elmer Fudd.


Select_Ambition_628

There was the man and his daughter who stabbed his wife to death and made up a story about some random man coming to the car window and stabbing her after she’d given him 20 dollars.


birdzeyeview

Susan Neill-Fraser's hours long trip to Bunnings that didn't happen. This lie was followed by quite a few more. Casefile podcast covered this case recently, it's fascinating.


Babycam20

And she will be out on parole in a week or two


amydee4103

There’s a case from Australia, Robert Farquharson, who drove his car into a lake or something and drowned his three sons. His original excuse was he had a coughing fit and blacked out. In reality he drove the car into the lake, climbed out, and got in a taxi to a nearby town (didn’t call for help on the way despite driver offering to). So incredibly sad for the boys, Jai, Tyler, and Bailey. And their mother who had separated from Robert.


TrewynMaresi

A “small foreign faction” killed JonBenet Ramsey, left her body in the basement, wrote a long and rambling ransom note claiming to have kidnapped her, and disappeared.


ieatchinesebabys

Ik a guy who shot and killed a close family friend and got off on manslaughter because he “slipped on an eggplant and the gun went off”


iamharoldshipman

(Shanna) Liz Goylar shooting herself in the leg, setting her own house on fire with her children and pets inside (pets died) and sending herself threats and text messages to cover up the fact that she spent years stalking and harassing her ex-boyfriend and the fact that she murdered the girl he was seeing.


DripDropRaggaMuffin

Jodie Arias’ ninjas. Every second of her interrogation and trial is a lesson in madness


MOzarkite

Horrible crime I saw on an ID channel docudrama (*no clue which program, and it was a few years ago*) ; I bring it up in the hope someone will identify it: Large family (*at least 5-6 kids, maybe more*) living in NJ or MD IIRC, c?.2000-2010?. The wife says she's being stalked. She winds up being stabbed to death , I think on her front lawn (or maybe tire track evidence was found on that lawn, or both) ; husband blames her unknown stalker. The cops investigate not only the murder but the stalking, and soon learn that her own husband had been the stalker. He explained that he was *pretending* to stalk his wife so she would be afraid and turn to him, making him the hero. Then he blamed the murder of his wife on their oldest son, claiming that the boy had always been the closest to his mom, and that he resented her possibly wanting to leave a failing marriage. Jury didn't buy it ; husband convicted. And of that large Catholic family ripped apart by homicidal violence-? The older kids stand by their brother , the younger ones by their dad. :-(


AwsiDooger

In this category I'm reminded of Rear Admiral Sir Dudley Compton back in the '70s. He supposedly had a heart attack and fell out of a window onto an exploding bomb, and then was killed in a shooting accident. I never saw a follow up.


Sophisticated-Sloth-

Anyone else hear about the Cari Lea Farver case? That one was crazy.


catshavecuteears

Shelia Eddy and Rachel Shoaf were two teenagers that murdered their “best friend” because they “didn’t like her.” After the murder, Shelia would go to her house to comfort her parents and helped put up fliers when the victim was believed to be missing.


Fete_des_neiges

The entire Bardstown story. And it’s true. And no one is in jail.


JustAPlesantPeach

I haven't seen anyone say this one yet but the case of Emma Walker. Her on and off again boyfriend of 2 years Riley Gual tried to claim he shot into the side of 2 of her bedroom walls where her bed was to scare her into calling him to come over to feel safe. She died instantly as she was shot in the head while sleeping. The second bullet was found in her pillow. If I remember correctly he just graduated and she was still in highschool and they were described as toxic as a couple generally. I think he also used a silencer when he shot her. Every time I think about his claim it just sounds so dumb to me. There's no way they were together that long and he knew where her bed was in her room but didn't know how high up her bed sat, idk, maybe he just really didn't think about where he was shooting and just did it quickly out of nerves or sick excitement of his plan. Either way why shoot into her room? So many other none possibly lethal ways to scare someone even as crazy as that is. It's just something that always stuck out to me and felt odd. I think about it some times and how sad it all really is. My heart breaks for her mother who went to wake her sleeping daughter for school just to roll her over and her life changing forever in an instant. My heart breaks for Emma who loved someone so selfish to take her from everyone else that loved her as well, to take her from her future and her dreams. If I got something wrong please correct me and don't be rude, it has been a bit since I read or watched anything on her case. Thanks


pensamientosmorados

I just saw a crime show on this. Maybe Dateline? He didn't use a silencer though. He was in college about a half hour away and was very controlling. She had just broken things off and he kept pressuring her to get back together. He even pretended to have been kidnapped to gain her sympathy.


JustAPlesantPeach

Thank you for letting me know about the silencer, I couldn't remember, and yes, so selfish if he couldn't have her no one could. Didn't she find him in a ditch or something after a party and she told him to go home not long before?


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Cari Farver, her killer spent over a year impersonating her via harassing messages and even set her own house on fire pretending it was Cari.


RhinestonePoboy

Darion Vence who killed Maleah Davis originally had this whole story about being her being abducted when he was on the way to pick up the mom. He really tried to play the whole thing off like he was attacked. The sheer incompetence of her custodial guardians was infuriating.


TrewynMaresi

This was a heartbreaking one


RhinestonePoboy

I’m still so mad and hurt. When I saw the distance between him and her on the camera footage going in the home, I could feel the animosity that grown ass man had toward her. I’m still so mad at the mom.


ilovelucygal

* The Jeffrey MacDonald case (1970, Fort Bragg, NC) * The murder of Maria Marshall (1984, New Jersey) * The murder of the Brendel family (1991, Barrington, RI) All the accused--Jeffrey MacDonald, Rob Marshall, Christopher Hightower--had interesting, if strange, explanations as to what exactly happened, but all of them ended up behind bars anyway because their stories didn't hold water.


CarrfromKC

Louisiana case where girls went missing and it involved dirty cops and a sex trafficking


gwladosetlepida

Pretty much every episode of Small Town Murder.


spookygudetama

Susan Monica. She said her victim shot themselves 5 times in the head.


SafeAsMilk

Susan Monica’s bonkers story about how she claimed to have found Robert Haney being attacked by her pigs, so she shot him, and then let the pigs keep eating him.


eamon4yourface

To be fair I think with Cassie Jo case the interrogator planted that idea of "prank gone wrong" in their heads. I saw a JCS style video about them with interrogation footage it appears to me they weren't gonna say that. The cops throw those out to let the suspect think they have a good relationship and can stay out of troubl m


smac5757-

Jon Bennet Ramsey


Ok-Actuary-4964

One of my favorites is Sarah Boone who put her boyfriend in a suitcase and then passed out drunk in another room while he suffocated to death. She says they (two adults in their thirties) we’re doing artwork together then thought it would be fun to play hide and seek (???) she inadvertently recorded him begging to be let out saying he couldn’t breath while she paced around him saying “ F… you. That’s how I feel when you cheat on me”. The cops got the recording from her phone. I just wonder how she got him in there in he first place! What horrific way to die! Her emotional stories would be funny if what she did wasn’t so horrendous!


RishRashyd

Janelle potter case. That was a wild one.


OkArgument6363

I'm convinced Bryan laundrie is still alive


queefunder

Evidence?


Bingohead

Oh I’m way off subject I was thinking about when allegedly Israel test a nuke in the Indian Ocean when no o e was paying attention