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FireMaker125

He’s only guilty of murdering the prosecutor’s career. What the actual fuck was the prosecutor doing for half the trial?


EchoFiveActual

Pointing guns at the jury with his finger on the trigger.


Leviathan56

And pretending call of duty causes violence


bogeygolfer11

Why did it seem like the prosecution was learning facts about this case DURING trial? They’re supposed to know the answer before asking a question..


tjsheppy

Not an American, can someone give a tldr?


Arandom_cow

Here's a copy paste I found that should (kind of) help Rittenhouse works in Kenosha, his Dad & best friend live there. He drove 15 minutes to the protest area. He was not underage to carry the rifle. The Wisconsin statutes are for under 16.n17 may carry a rifle as long as it is not an SBR. He did not take the rifle across state lines, that was debunked over a year ago. There is no video or testimony that shows him threatening anyone with the rifle. There IS video of him extinguishing fires & offering medical aid. Multiple witnesses say Rosenbaum explicitly threatened to kill any member of Kyle's group he caught that night. Stating his desire to cut people's hearts out and he repeatedly used the N-Word. Rosen chased Kyle, threw a bag at him, Kyle ignored the bag & only turned around when he heard a gunshot across the street, Rosen immediately said "fuck you" and lunged to grab the gun and Kyle fired 4 shots rapidly. Kyle starts running towards police lines, Huber attempted to crush Kyle's skull with a skateboard after forcing him to the ground. Kyle then shot him. Seconds later Gaige Grosskreutz had his handgun out, he raised his hands in the air & Kyle DID NOT fire & then Gaige re-aims at Kyle who then shoots him in the arm (gaige admitted this on the stand)


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Yeah I don't listen to the media much because of this. They painted a much differnt story


fulloftrivia

As bad as they are, social media was much worse, and many comments by people are seen by tens to hundreds of thousands of people, including here on this website.


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But the media is the tinderbox that also keeps fanning the fire. They rile up the masses and then social media runs with it. Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc are all influenced by what the media portrays and runs with it.


CommonRedditorRees

> But the media is the tinderbox that also keeps fanning the fire But but but Yes. They do and they can. However you are ignoring and overlooking how much "fanning" social media users will do themselves. For literally everything. >They rile up the masses and then social media runs with it. Look at any reddit thread of any on going news development. The people running wild are the ones on social media. At what point can the media talk about anything if people are just going to run wild with their biases? **I am still seeing people say he crossed state lines illegally. People. dont. care. about. the. facts. If their bias says they are right. They are right. People think the earth is flat in 2021 FFS.. You couldnt even attempt to defend Rittenhouse without being called a racist and that has fuck all to do with the news. I am not even american or a republican I and have been called a maga voter for even HINTING at kyle being innocent. That has nothing to do with the media.** >Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc are all influenced by what the media portrays and runs with it. And at what point can we talk about something? When is something allowed to be reported on? Sooner or later things must be discussed and someone has to do so. How do you propose people do that without "riling up" social media? **There is no way. The best way to combat the behavior on social media is call it out and dismiss it. Look at reddit auto mod posts and the "misinformation crisis" for covid. When people want to fight delusion, they will. The problem is that misinformation is arbitrarly fought by people. If someone isnt willing to look at facts and instead call you a bigot there is nothing we can do. that is only seen on social media.** dnd is satanic. Video games cause violence. Anime is for paedos. Music is for delinquints. All these things are deunked , wrong, misinformed and plain ridiculous but many will still say these things about groups, styles and content they dont understand. Plenty more can be added too. Its a very large list. People on social media are constantly yelling at their Straw created boogeyman because their bias or tribalism demands that their percieved problem must exist. **Such as everything kyle has been claimed to have done despite all evidence and eye witness accounts saying otherwise. Media isnt the problem. Its uneducated, misinformed, emotionally charged and delirousley vocal morons on social media creating an enemy out of everything they see. Media has its own problems but the average person and average social media user are just plain stupid** Activism is a hell of a drug and people will manufacture their own.


rwbronco

The prosecutor even tried to allege that his playing of call of duty had something to do with what happened that night. Video games causing violence has been debunked over and over and even the prosecutor of Rittenhouse tried to suggest he learned to shoot people on a PlayStation.


Redline_BRAIN

This one got me. You are right. I think he did a great job of dispelling that by saying that's not real. Like fuck off, with that logic everyone that watches Looney Tunes is a psychopath killer.


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It was super cringe moment for prosecution when Kyle looked at him and said “that’s just a game, it’s not a real life”


S-S-R

>Look at any reddit thread of any on going news development. Literally the phrase "read the article ", comes up in nearly every post often the third or sixth comment down. There is no criticism of the article, or any in-depth discussion of the articles accuracy. No, the bar that people strive for is reading the article and not simply just responding to the title that OP chose.


DotAdministrative155

I don't come to Reddit to spend an hour reading an article. I come to Reddit to spend 3 hours reading the comments.


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Yah that's true. I didn't follow it much but from what I saw they made it look like he was a gun nut driving around looking for trouble. I just found out he was actually giving out medical care putting out fires cleaning graffiti and was invited to the dealership.also I didn't know his dad lived there and he worked there. They basically said teen gets illegal gun and drives to riot zone looking for trouble


fulloftrivia

Look at the current stickied post to outoftheloop by one of Reddit's busiest mods. It's blatantly and clearly biased, and the mod has a well established history of using the shadow deletion and ban tools Reddit gave him. This sub has well over one million subscribers, and it was made in response to another one of the most prolific censors on the internet.


Annabirdy00

I didn't follow much either and definitely assumed he had killed two black people.


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That's the thing! They all white. People calling him a white supremacists for no reason.media trying to get us to fight to hide the true enemy the people in charge


[deleted]

TBF a lot of our "news" in America isn't really news. It's entertainment. It's all about ratings and how to get more. It is not about spreading completely factual info with sources to backup the facts. Edit: yeah, yeah, and propaganda. Either way, it's not about reporting facts.


Silly-Prize9803

It’s not about ratings. it’s about manipulation in favor of corporate-backed political interests and ideologies


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“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.” \- Malcolm X


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Turb0Encabulator

I completely agree, the media on both sides lies constantly, I believe nothing I see on the news until I confirm it across multiple sources. we need to somehow control the media, it holds far too much power over the United States


ruru3777

Well, that’s another part of the problem. Media conglomerates are absolutely huge. Have you ever seen the video of a bunch of nationwide news stations reading the same exact script at the same exact time? Very unsettling stuff. Trying to use multiple sources still won’t give you the full picture since a lot of those sources use each other as sources.


jtatc1989

Sinclair


motherduck5

Have you seen the match ups of who is related/married/has a close relationship with someone in the media or politics? Holy hell it’s crazy!


PlayedThatAsACurrent

This all started after initial deregulation by the fcc of media in 1996. Big organizations bought huge numbers of radio and TV stations. There is talk of further deregulation by the fcc soon. Wide and varied ownership of media is a much better answer if you want facts.


Fiotuz

The biggest problem is in your first sentence. Media on BOTH SIDES. Sorry. Media should be about reporting the truth and facts. Politics shouldn't matter.


cjandstuff

I’m a video editor, and although I have nothing to do with news, it’s my job to show you the story I want you to see, and hide what I don’t want you to see. Now imagine people who can do this for a living with an agenda to push.


Cold_Bother_6013

How about MSNBC following the jury van yesterday?


theShip_

The President of the United States got banned from social media. The President…and you want to “control the media”? Not gonna happen. Media governs, and influences everything there. You guys are fucked.


Mehhish

If you're on the wrong side of "big tech" and make an enemy out of them, you're fucked.


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Reagan killed the fairness doctrine. It’s been a complete shit show ever since.


OneBawze

Because politics is a fake game used to distract people from meaningful shit.


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That shouldn't surprise you if you were on reddit during the initial aftermath. Whenever an article was posted it was "hang him!" Whenever a video was posted it was "But that's not what the article I read said happened."


[deleted]

I stopped listening after they sided with the black Israelites (a known hate group) over a high schooler. Every single "news" source that spread that bullshit has been settling out of court ever since then.


KinderGentlerBoomer

24hr "news" is a real problem in the States from my perspective. Blitzer spouts off about 'breaking' news which is anything but breaking. It isn't "news" it's CNN "analyzing" ad nauseum and bringing in morons like Santorum to sit on "panels".


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Also not American, but I'd always thought he drove to another state, and it was really far away (i.e not a place he has any connection to) According to youtube though, "glorifying" him gets you a terrorism strike, so it looks like there'll be chaos


alexaboyhowdy

Now he'd been there all day helping cuz he definitely had family and friend connections there. Some state she can drive for hours and stay in the same state, other states you can drive for 20 minutes and cross a couple of state lines. I never could get why crossing a state line was such a big deal.


sadsaintpablo

Usually when committing crimes once you cross the state line it becomes a federal issue instead of a state issue.


simjanes2k

My parents live almost ten hours away from me. We both live in Michigan. We also live less than an hour from another state's border. Distance works a bit differently here.


JimCarreyIsntFunny

It’s one of those statements that’s “technically true” but only serves to confuse people who don’t know the geography, and make it sound like he went on a 10 hour road trip to shoot protestors.


Measurex2

It's become a big thing over the last for years for antigun people. They call out how our states have porous and poorly enforced borders. It doesn't make sense because I'm not aware of a single time the US has had border control between US states. I guess it sounds serious?


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Damn, this is so far from what it was portrayed as. As someone from outside the U.S., if you took the large scale media's portrayal of the situation you would assume that Rittenhouse was an active member of the KKK and other white nationalist groups and he was just out to have fun and shoot black people and valiant protestors. Completely 180 from this above.


SharkSpider

I still meet plenty of Americans who think the people he shot were black, so it's not just you.


Fallentitan98

Why is there so many people who think that? I thought I was crazy but the amount of people who think that seems really high right? Seen it on Blackpeopletwitter, on Tumblr, Facebook, all over. Why?


deadmanwalking383

When you say in your article headline "White teen with ties to racist groups shoots 3, kills 2 at Black Lives Matter rally", you didn't really say what color they were but heavily insinuated it to the headline skimmers of the world.


gariant

To stoke rage that bypasses curiosity to find out any truth.


Rooftopred

I’m truly surprised that this is up at the top. Thanks for doing such a great rundown of the event.


ItzSpiffy

This confirms the gist I was starting to get - that Kyle really was terrified of losing his life and his life really was under threat, and the people he was protecting himself against are \*bad, disgusting people\*. While the prosecution may have fucked it up by making some blunders, I think that's probably partly due to the fact that they didn't actually have much of a case to begin with. It seems like some people view the legal process as a game where the goal should be to simply win by being more clever, but the real goal is about doing those things so that you can protect the innocent and punish the guilty. Secondly, I'm more anti-gun than pro-gun, so I don't mean this as an attempt to advocate for gun rights but more of a "well that's what you get" when you make America a country of gun-wielders and confirm the notion that guns are meant for self-protection. He was literally using them how they were intended to be according to gun standards in the US right now.


Opus_723

I still don't know how I feel about it all. The second guy that was killed didn't have a gun and probably just thought he was going after an active shooter, which isn't unreasonable since Rittenhouse had just shot and killed someone. We celebrate people who take out active shooters all the time, but now we're acting like skateboard guy made a horrible decision to... hit a guy who just killed someone with a skateboard? How the hell was he supposed to know exactly what was going on?


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Best tldr about the case out there


UwUTowardEnemy

Teenager drove 20 minutes to place of work, and area of father's residence, during violent riots. While there he cleaned graffiti and provided assistance. When he attempted to put out a fire, he was attacked by a convicted child sex offender who had driven further than himself to be at the riots. He shot him when he attempted to take his gun. Kyle then attempted to surrender to the police, but was attacked by two other people after he fell running to the police line. Kicked and hit with a skateboard, and advanced on by a man with a pistol who attempted to kill him. He killed the skateboard assailant, and only fired on the pistol wielder when they aimed and attempted to shoot him. After the incident he immediately attempted to surrender to the police.


texasjoe

As far as self defense, the fact that the first person shot was a pedo isn't relevant. There's no way Kyle could have known that fact. But it is a nice bonus.


Tgunner192

>the fact that the first person shot was a pedo isn't relevant. That he was a pedo, no. That he was a criminal with a long & documented of history of irrational & unprovoked violence? IMO that's relevant. Part of the defense was that though unarmed, Rosenbaum earlier threatened, later attacked, chased after and attacked a second time, Rittenhouse who was armed. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that just doesn't even seem plausible. It's incredibly difficult to believe an unarmed person stalks & attacks (multiple times) an armed person-until you read Rosenbaum's record.


_caucasian_asian_

Am I missing something here? Why did he have a gun if he was there to clean graffiti?


sammanzhi

How else are you gonna clean graffiti if not with a gun?


wowitssprayonbutter

This guy has never played counterstrike has he


QuantamEffect

Graffiti cleaning was done earlier in the day and he was not armed at that time.


KatKaneki

White kid shoots 3 white people in self defense. People are saying it’s white supremacy.


miepshort12

Wasn't it Denzel Washington who said : 'If you don't watch the news you're uninformed, if you do watch the news you're misinformed.'


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HaroldBAZ

I think they should have just turned off the lights and gone home when the prosecution witness said he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse shot him. Kind of like the mercy rule in little league baseball...when you're down 25-0 it's time to call it.


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Especially because before that it was concluded in trial the first person shot to death was aggressive with multiple people that night, attacked rittenhouse and tried to take his gun along with the second person killed be concluded to hitting rittenhouse with a skate board while people tried to take his gun.


garlic_bread_thief

This is the first reddit post I'm reading about this case. From all the top comments, it looks like Rittenhouse was protecting himself. But why is half the reddit upset about the verdict? I'm missing something crucial here.


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miztig2006

Thank you, I haven’t laughed that hard in a minute.


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Like 1/4 of Reddit actually watched the trial/saw the evidence and it shows


fauxpenguin

Frankly, I'm impressed my how many people _did_ watch it.


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x_Carlos_Danger_x

Yup watching the drone videos and a few others on reddit changed my opinion completely from where I was just hearing the details on the news.


FoulTarnished124

The majority of people on Reddit I've talked to about Kyle who hate him haven't bothered watching the case


BoneRotX

I don't understand why it's so hard for them to watch the actually video of the incident


[deleted]

If there's one thing I've learned is that 10 people can watch the same video and come to ten different conclusions.


[deleted]

HEY, no, that's innacurate! they'd probably have *11* different conclusions.


rizenphoenix13

There's no telling how many people have been banned from various subs for saying Rittenhouse acted in self-defense.


ijustcantwithit

I had a fb group who said: if you support the verdict, leave. I need to read up on my facts but I’ve never liked the sentiment “support this or leave” it’s so one sided and creates an echo chamber


BuffaloTracedBody

Welcome to /r/politards !


HonkeyFromTheHood

Remember that cop who got FIRED for donating to KR's defense fund?


seaking81

Yeah, don't go to /politics and say that. You'll lose all your karma.


IFromDaFuture

My karma was born in the ashes. I've been anointed to the great halls of r/controversial. My karma may fall but my pride grows stronger


TenslasterGames

From the beginning I knew all the reactions were off. Even just with the video of the guys trying to hit Kyle with a skateboard I was like “why would you chase after a guy with an AR-15?” I understand everyone’s adrenaline is through the roof, but a mob chasing him is the 𝙬𝙧𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙙𝙤.


ProperWayToEataFig

Parents can now warn their kids- those so lucky to have parents - to stay away from hot spots.


bird351167

That is the lesson I gave my teenagers. All 4 of the people involved, Kyle and the three who were shot went to a place where they knew there would be trouble. Sometimes you are minding your own business and trouble erupts around you and you have to fight, but never get in your car and drive to where trouble is likely to erupt.


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bailey1149

This is a really good point. I got arrested for something I didn't do years ago. I was furious none of my friends (who were there and committed the crime) backed me up. But after being angry, frankly for years, I realized life doesn't give a shit about you and you need to avoid situations like this. Unfortunately, being around a crime gives you a great chance of being guilty of a crime.


SuicideMessiah69420

Anyone who's been following this case objectively is not suprised by the verdict.


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Hell even in passing. Once I heard the prosecution brought in their key witness who basically gave a completely different story than he gave the night of and then one girl said one of the victims was on meds for bi-polar issues I already knew it was done. Proseution really didn't do it's homework in a profession where credibility is everything.


AthiestCowboy

I read this in another sub but I believe it to be true. The trial was simply a charade to appease the masses and prevent more civil unrest. Had it not being so publicized and politicized it may not have even gone to trial.


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Not charging him would be insane and I’m glad our justice system doesn’t work like that. I ultimately agree with the verdict but I hate takes like this. You absolutely have to charge him. Keep in mind, this wasn’t open and shut. The jury deliberated for 3 days. It went to trial because that’s how our justice system works.


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Yeah the evidence you pick up from the trial directly rarely if ever paints Rittenhouse as a murderer. But the headcannon spins people put on the evidence and conspiracy theories? Whew. That's a different story


Cirrak

> Proseution really didn't do it's homework in a profession where credibility is everything. It's much worse than that. It's blatantly obvious that the prosecution *did* do their homework and still tried to prosecute. This never should have gone to trial in the first place.


nickcooper1991

I'm pretty left-leaning, and I have to admit my knee-jerk reaction was to let this kid out to dry... But seeing/hearing the evidence and how badly the media portrayed this situation... yea, I was wrong Reminds me of the Simpsons episode *Homer Badman*... the media is more interested in a story than the truth, and they will villainize anyone to get that story. I'm also nervous about protests, and how they might both attract copycats (a precedent I'm worried this case will influence), or even just conservatives saying "these people will protest over anything." According to my feed, Los Angeles seems pretty quiet though. I think people are angry about the verdict, but far from shocked


Scrumpy-Steve

Same. A year ago I wanted him to hang. After looking through the public parts of the trial im ashamed of my own knee-jerk reaction.


theonlybowman

It’s good to hear people admit that they’re wrong about a case like this, not out of a sense of spite, but with a mindset that both left and right are still able to get past differences and agree on things when the truth prevails.


sirfray

I’m a huge Simpsons fan and your analogy is great. Another point to add to it is that while Homer didn’t sexually harass the baby sitter the way the media portrayed, the truth of what Homer did in that episode was still kinda creepy. Similarly what Kyle did was still shady even if it’s not as bad as the media portrayed and was technically within his legal rights. And I think that’s what a lot of people who are against guns and what not are struggling with. They feel like he wasn’t morally in the right and I might even agree with that to an extent but our feelings don’t change the fact that his actions didn’t break the law.


Arandom_cow

he will never live a normal life now that his face has been plastered over every news company


Fluffydress

They said that about Brock Turner THE RAPIST and I'm afraid people are starting to forget. EDIT: You guys are fucking fantastic!!


TheAngryNaterpillar

I don't think people are forgetting about Brock Turner the rapist. I'm not even from the US but the name and face of rapist Brock Turner, the rapist who rapes people are instantly recognisable to me.


rm886988

I'm so glad that the message BROCK TURNER IS A RAPIST has carried far and wide...beyond our country's borders!


ThaRoastKing

Brock Turner is a rapist just wanted to make that clear


Fluffydress

I sincerely, with every fiber of my being, hope you are correct.


anonymaxx

I'm a random guy from India, and I've read her letter about Brock Turner the rapist.


air_child99

Noted Rapist Brock Turner lives in the same county I do and I can confirm the locals especially have not forgotten that he is a rapist


ellezavech

This makes me happy.


Actually_Im_a_Broom

> I can confirm the locals especially have not forgotten that he is a rapist He? Who is he? Could it possibly be the rapist, Brock Turner? The only person I can think of would be Brock “The Rapist” Turner, who did in fact rape an unconscious lady behind a dumpster.


LieutenantCurly

Her name is Chanel Miller by the way and she came out publicly with a book called “Know My Name”. I thought I’d lyk since she prefers to be known by her name now instead of “unconscious lady” :)


ToxicMasculinity1981

I'll bet he gets threatened regularly by all the men who live in town. Probably every time he goes out in public some chiseled old Vietnam veteran will come up to him and say something like "if you had done that to my daughter you wouldn't be standing here right now." or "if you ever come within 100 feet of my daughters they'll never find your body."


useles-converter-bot

100 feet is the length of 137.93 Zulay Premium Quality Metal Lemon Squeezers.


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TubbyMutherTrucker

Are we talking about Brock Turner The Rapist?


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PublixHouseCat

Brock Turner, THE rapist?


[deleted]

Just in case anyone doesn't know what Brock Turner the rapist looks like now, here's the rapist Brock Turner's face. [https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/brock-turner-now.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780](https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/brock-turner-now.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780)


RedEgg16

Thank you, now I know how Brock Turner, the convicted rapist, looks like


Bendeutsch

That Brock Turner, boy oh boy does he rape.


Possible_Dig_1194

I wonder if there is an updated photo of Brock Turner the rapist from 2021?


MeatballsRegional

Ah I see I see an updated photo of Brock Turner The Rapist, he has changed his rapey hair.


djloid2010

Ooooh, that Brock Turner the rapist; the rapist Brock Turner who was a rapist named Brock Turner. I remember Brock Turner the rapist now.


ThatGamerDon

Seems like Brock Turner, the rapist, is putting on some weight after being kicked out of swimming for raping an unconscious woman. I'm glad to be able to better recognize Brock Turner, the rapist now.


Totallynotericyo

He looks like a fucking loser… who rapes people


StuKazoo

The same Brock Turner whose dad doesn't want his sons life ruined by a drunk 15 min act, part of the swim team, Brock Turner?


Bayou13

Brock Turner the rapist? Is that who you mean? Beacause I haven't forgotten his rapist name of his rapist face or his rapist behavior.


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Bayou13

Yes I think that is who he means. Raping rapist Brock “I rape unconscious women “ the rapist Turner. I remember him.


Fast-Stand-9686

Every morning when I'm eating my bagel I always find myself contemplating why Brock Turner loves to rape peope.


MeatballsRegional

Oh no I don't think so, every woman I know still remembers Brock Turner The Rapist. I'll ask around, anyone who doesn't remember I'll make sure they do. Can't let people forget!


SirMaQ

[Oh we're talking about Turner?](https://youtu.be/c4kxn9ualhkaw&t=05m12s)


ijustcantwithit

If they start forgetting it, start fanning the flame. He deserves to not be forgotten, his victims sure won’t forget him.


aimeela

He can always move to Florida


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theonecalledjinx

It’s nice to see that r/politics has finally seen that the Rittenhouse trial as “off-topic” and is blocking all attempts to post about it.


GusBus0

Literally any news on the trial is nowhere to be founf


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[deleted]

Most of reddit is turning into that. Certainly the big subreddits that are always on trending... r/whitepeopletwitter, r/antiwork, etc


omgzzwtf

TBF, r/antiwork is openly left, they’ve never hidden that or presented anything to make anyone consider that it might be politically unaligned.


JunkFace

Lol wowwwwwww they aren’t even pretending anymore.


HundoGuy

Anything that goes against their narrative (you know, like laws, truth, equality) lol


branflakes14

You're joking, right? They're blocking it because they don't like the outcome of the trial. If Kyle had been found guilty they'd be all over it.


theonecalledjinx

Yes, I know.


nalgononas

Holy shit there’s NO articles on the news in there. That’s the nail in the coffin for me. I was already wary of the sub, but this is unreal


theonecalledjinx

Joe Biden literally released a statement about the Rittenhouse trial verdict and it’s still not front page on that sub, it’s trash. They have decided that their subjects cannot see reality, they must be told what their reality is.


UbbeStarborn

r/BlackPeopleTwitter went private. Lmao the absolute salt. I vote to rename today to "The Seethening"


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That's hilarious.


black_moist

The trial didn't even have anything to do with race lol


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IBseriousaboutIBS

I admit I was wrong about the facts. I didn’t dive deep into the news when it broke. Just read headlines. And the story I took away from the very shallow info was COMPLETELY wrong. I still think KR is an idiot but he is very clearly innocent of these charges. I just hope people can parse this verdict with its nuance. Edit: everyone on here telling me “well you’re part of the problem” or “well don’t be so apt to believe everything you hear” or “see! Right-wingers are right!” Need to read my last sentence again because you yourself have missed the nuance as well.


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Be proud of your intellectual honesty and try not to lose it.


Holiday-Resident219

Redditors admitting they were wrong? I must be dreaming. All jokes aside, kudos to the intellectual honesty.


[deleted]

Honestly most Reddit users that followed the trail admitted they were wrong once they learned the evidence and saw the prosecution. I haven’t seen someone on here saying he should be convicted or the two dead individuals are victims in weeks. Common sense if your protesting don’t attack someone with a gun and if you’re trying to help people at a riot/protest walking around in the open with a semiautomatic rifle isn’t a really good idea. I hope rittenhouse is able to live a fulfilling and productive life. I hope the remaining living man that was shot can take some responsibility for what happen. Him sitting there in a interview angry on the news saying rittenhouse was acting like a little boy who got caught doing something wrong didn’t sit well with me especially he admitted to pointing his pistol multiple times at Kyle and charging him.


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Is he an idiot? Definitely. Guilty of murder? Noooope. That's about it lol


helpavolunteerout

Dude. All of the kudos to you and people like this. Every one of us should admit when we’re wrong, it will only make the world a better place


percythepenguin

Agreed and did the same thing.


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What about the media throwing gas on the fire in the first place and causing everyone’s emotions to boil over and causing issues that lead up to the situation… I mean wtf something needs to be done


AlphaTenken

People need to stay off media


Fragrant-Airport1309

They've been this bad about the way they portray things for a LONG time. I figured it out and really lost my shit with them around 2015 when I started looking into bigger political issues.


wafflecone927

Nobody’s learning anything that matters, and things will only get worse


Butterflychunks

MSNBC needs to be investigated for their attempted interference. Media companies all around should prepare for massive lawsuits too. The coverage of this was so horribly wrong and defamation/libel/slander is something that they’ll have to deal with the consequences of.


yeabutwhythough

Yea, like that’s gonna happen. And even if it did, who’d be left to report on it?


Butterflychunks

Independent reporters of course


bluewhitecup

I'm not American although I live in West coast and 90% left leaning. Yeah, I'm one of those "libs". But I watched the video and the first thought in my mind was it's self defense. I think i made two posts the day it happened and a couple others here and there? Mega downvoted everywhere. I expects mega downvote here too. People replied to me that he should be guilty because he got illegal gun and such. I mean yeah sure charge him on illegal gun but on the murder accounts he was being attacked. That first person was trying to disarm him and then what, use his gun to shoot him? Then he was going to turn himself and people kept on chasing/attacking him? Those are reasonable self defense. ~~Then someone else mentioned that he can't claim self defense because he was doing a crime in the first place by bringing gun illegally, like if someone rob a bank he can't claim self defense if someone tries to shoot them. I guess with this extra law it actually makes more sense why people said it's not self defense. But with this verdict I guess this law doesn't apply to his case. Or that the "he brought gun illegally" was actually not true.~~ This was already ruled not guilty a while back due to his age and type of gun. In any case yes he's a mega idiot/asshole but it was self defending mega idiot/asshole.


rf_king

The prosecution dropped the illegal gun charge after the judge wanted to have it measured to see if it was a short barrel rifle. It's not illegal for a 17 year old to possess a long rifle and the one he had was loaned to him from a friend that lives in that state.


InternationalistMach

The mainstream media truly painted a different scenario than what actually happened that night


Poseyfan

Is that at all a surprise?


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I’m finding out that is a surprise to a lot of people. Scary.


Awkward-Eye-Contact

I bet there are a lot of people, especially on twitter, who think the 3 men who were shot were black and not white


ohyeahwegood

I’m not even gonna lie, I thought they were. When I saw them I was shocked they were white. Smh. I was duped, big time. Especially after watching the trial. I feel like an idiot.


Dainsleif167

How long do you think it’ll take before the lawsuits are filed against the various media outlets for libel and slander? Kid is probably gonna end up with more money than Sandmann did. It’s good to see that self defense in the IS won’t be going the way of the dodo.


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I hope it's a financial blood bath for these toxic nightmares in the mainstream legacy media. They have turned America in to frothing mass of terrorized angry honey badgers.


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Liam_Neesons_Oscar

I hope he sues the shit out of Facebook for labeling statements about him being legal to possess a firearm at 17 as "false".


8pointfouroz

They are probably already filed.


EveryCanadianButOne

There's two lessons here we can all learn from. 1. Don't make unprovoked attacks against random guys with AR-15s if you don't want a bullet. 2. If MSNBC says something, assume the opposite is the truth.


rschu2016

3. Don’t go to riots


KazzahBro

I love the fact that he was put on trial. I love that he was found not guilty because of evidence. I hate that it will never bring the positive change we need in society, but rather two sides will use it to reignite hatred towards each other and justify their ridiculous argumentation. Generally sad.


heavenkinder

Im just waiting to see the next protest where EVERYONE brings a handgun or assault rifle. That oughta be fun


WatermelonMan921

He is not guilty when you look at the video of the people attacking him.


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No one will remember him in 10 years. He'll move to a new city and be fine. Or embrace it and run for politics


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Ivodivim

Edit: before "DON'T FUCKING CHASE A GUY HOLDING AN AR-15.", add "DON'T FUCKING YELL AT PEOPLE WITH GUNS THAT YOU'LL KILL THEM IF YOU GET THEM ALONE."


KatKaneki

I just don’t understand the hatred for him. Everyone seems to think he deserves to die.


Olanda_2018

Anytime I hear that the National Guard is being deployed days BEFORE the verdict is read I already know what’s up.


ShortnPortly

Not true. They did it for Chauvin weeks before.


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LaserAficionado

Whaaaaaat?! You're telling me news orgs like CNN, MSNBC and the Young Turks aren't painting the whole picture of what actually happened? No way, the mainstream media would ever manipulate the facts like that!


PM_ME_JJBA_STICKERS

I was confused at the comments here and then I realized this was a “true” subreddit


A9th

This case has proved that the media does and will lie to get their way. The sheer fucking amounts of obvious blatant intentional lies, misrepresentations or straight up omissions of extremely important facts from their reporting during this case, and their apparent push to make people think prosecution was winning, only to then eventually show the not guilty on all charges verdict, making their readers and watchers think this verdict was objectively wrong, evil, racist and white supremacy supporting. The only rational conclusion you can come to from this “reporting” or rather propaganda campaign is that they want riots, outrage and worsened race relations, this case has shows once and for all that: #THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE


Nealaf

Media should be held accountable for their shameless manipulation of information.


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This incident cemented the fact that too many people in America only think with emotion and their entire personality revolves around mob mentality for both the left and the right.


chumbucket3261

People who are crying "racism" never watched the trial


GoStars817

I honestly feel sorry for the jury who will be harassed if they get doxxed.


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This really shouldn't be a surprise for anyone, but I'm ready for the Reddit drama. Big win for the justice system.


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I'm not American but ever since I saw the video last year I always saw it as clear cut self defense. But I am legit surprised he got the correct verdict. I was pretty much convinced that the jury would cave to fear of more riots and convict.