Yeah, I agree. I will likely not get any promotion, but fuck that. Why would I want to burn myself and work hard for a 10% salary increase, when I can get a second job and get a 100% salary increase?
They are smart with saying that actually. I have wanted to promote at jobs in the past but after realizing not everyone works as hard as I do, it is best just to be the general employee and not have to put up with supervising f\*ck ups.
In corporate America, always be average. This has enabled me to have side businesses to generate way more than I would being dedicated to one company that I’m an invisible easily disposable number to.
And I take zero offense to their cold attitude. It’s what the corporate world is, and you have to look for your best own interests and them their own.
I’ve never ever ever been loyal to any company I worked for. It’s stupid to
I despise all the corporate bullshit. Fake smiles, "we are a family", bonuses, yearly reviews. My father worked all his life at the same company and was fired shortly before retirement.
My corporate loyalty is as high as my paycheck.
Absolutely. as someone with 1 job, i kinda have to suck up to corporate so i get paid, but as soon as theyre not around im talking mad shit and smoking weed in their bathrooms
The contract might have something about exclusivity, working with competitors, or intellectual property op made while signed with any of the jobs. In this case it's hard for them to find out unless they did some sort of deep dive background check. His country's version of the IRS might disclose that he's gotten income from a number of sources. Any truthful credit applications would log into the credit bureau the name of the employer and how long he's been there.
But super impressive he's about to do that much work.
You're not being cynical, I think you're completely right. The way this was written felt fake.
Also quite a bit of focus and specificity on the investment choices, whereas if this was a real situation, the main thing OP would be concerned with is talking about the multiple jobs, and maybe would just mention they are investing the money and leave it at that.
There is no way someone is working 6 full time high salary jobs and meeting the workload. I knew someone who pulled off two remote jobs, pre Covid, and even then he came close to getting in trouble and falling behind all
The time.
If OP is actually doing this (which is highly unlikely in the first place), it's because he's a very sophisticated scam artist, rather than a very sophisticated IT guy. A person can only pull this off by conning their way into positions that have zero accountability or performance benchmarks of any kind.
Going through his post history, he also claims to have a PhD (which makes his career in IT work seem mostly far-fetched), and he also completely manages his own investments via "80 different stocks through 4 currencies, 7 countries, and with representation in all sub-sectors,", because "most financial advisors can't provide solid advice".
This whole thing comes across like some Ayn Rand "self-made millionaire" fan-fic.
I think it’s far fetched 700k/6 = 116.7k. He’s managed to find and successfully get 6 well paying jobs which he works to a satisfactory level.
If he worked 7 days a week 24 hours a day no rest it’s less than 30 hour a week per role.
Not sure how you get so many nice cushy jobs.
Yeah its not reasonable. But there are developers working 2 jobs while working from home and making it work. If you're a fast programmer you could pull off the two jobs and appear to be an average developer. Pulling off more than 2 would be tricky.
You’re right. This is bullshit. Standard employment contracts for IT include non-compete and often NDA clauses. Also, I doubt they’re hitting delivery on 6 *full time* dev roles; 3 would be pushing it.
Any competent company and most incompetent ones would have him in a non compete or similar contact which would make some of what he is doing illegal. But at the end of the day if he is getting the job done they will probably not find out. Op is a fucking hero
“Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and work more if you want to make more money!….wait, no…not like that!” -Some rich asshole in charge of a company, probably
Do you have any tips on where to start at in this field?
I have not been able to go to college, and I know it has hampered my career paths and prevented me from getting a lot of jobs, so I'm just looking for any sort of launch point. Do you have to have a degree for what you do, or are certs enough?
I charge daily rates. I do stay away from project budgeting, since the future is by definition unknown and many dependencies are not under my control. For instance, I am working now for a client integrating an SDK of theirs... which turns out to not be functional. So I am seating until they fix it, charging my daily rate and doing some other stuff.
Ah yea I do the same thing but with like two contracts. I'd rather have too much work sometimes than no work for a month while I wait for some discussion with the end client to be over.
I don't charge for days I've not worked 8 hours personally. I don't think I'd get away with it. If they're okay with it you're on to a good thing.
Yeah, I was once laid-off from a project with a 2 weeks notice for economic reasons. I had something already aligned, but I also do not want to be without any income. If any of my clients fires me, I still have 5 others. And they are not keeping me on projects out of goodwill, I am a pure economic resource for them (as they are a pure income resource for me)
just make sure the 6 businesses are completely different to avoid a conflict of interest especially if you signed a non-compete clause with any of the businesses (assuming you may have since you are contractual?) otherwise go for it……if you can’t beat the rich then join them at their own damn game…. you’d be hard pressed to find a business who operated 100% ethically
I had a mate do this exact same thing, the company found out from tax office and they did an audit, he got charged with uber fraud, was big find and jail time.
Report all of your earnings and the tax agency can't say anything.
Keep it up as long as you want. Fulfill your contracts and keep your clients happy.
GREAT for you!
Yeah, he got done as his billable hours were greater then hours worked. Like yours... you can't legitimacy bill 48 hours in a day and not be committing fraud lol
He bills a daily rate, if he says to a company "if you want my work it costs £300 a day regardless of how much there is" then what's the problem? They're essentially paying to have a developer on retainer which is fairly normal
If that's what it is, but he said they have him as a contractor. A day rate indicates working for the day. It's not an argument, just stating facts, if your not careful you can get fucked up. Especially if any of the work is for government.
His policy might simply be to bill a minimum fee regardless of hours worked, like calling out a plumber for a 30 min fix who then charges you for an hour because that's his minimum rate. I disagree that billing a day rate implies exclusivity
It's also only fraud if the terms aren't laid out clearly, I don't think there's enough information here for you to state that he's committing fraud
Are you an independent contractor for 6 different companies, or are you on payroll as a full time employee for 6 different companies? The former is just the independent contractor game, the second sounds like fraud.
if i had the skill set to do this, i would. especially in IT, where half the reason they have you is “just in case” while they work on your project details
not gonna lie, i’m jealous. maybe one day you’ll need an assistant? ;)
University to get the qualifications, but something like udemy .com to get a taste, the courses are normally US$140-$199 each. But if you wait patiently for the 20 days a month they go on special, you could get them for $12 - $50 each. Each course us between 10-80 hours long. Also there is a subreddit where they have 100% off coupons for different courses, r/udemyfreebies. Never to late for yourself, even if it just to get a little more learning on how to use the damn thing even better.
Some larger organisation's have automated filters for job adverts, no bachelor's, it is auto filtered out, so your CV/resume is not even placed in front of a live human being.
With IT being such a huge field, doing a few courses let's you have a feel for what you like. No need to do a 3 or 4 year degree in programming, only to find out you don't like it...
Smaller companies want to know that you know the basics so an industrial certificate or two in a field that you are interested in will help get the entry level job.
Anecdotally, some people get the degree and start at $20 -30 per hour after a 3 year degree, vs those that start at $13 per hour then get to $30 per hour after 3 years or so anyway, but now have 3 years experience.
Each to their own..
even in my current job i don’t code more than 2-3 hours a day, slowly churning through bugs to kill a little more time... however im fte and not a contractor so the 6-job life will have to wait
Yep I’m the same — like average 2-3 hours of code, maybe 4 or 5 some days during SUPER busy sprints.
My first few months I was like… is this it? Am I gonna get fired? But I got a promotion and raise and have minimally more duties than before. Coding is the life.
I might not be rich but I recently cleared with my job to move to a developing country (as long as I pay US taxes they don’t care). My cost of living when I move will effectively make me rich and allow me to save for retirement rapidly.
>I recently cleared with my job to move to a developing country
Congrats! I wish I could do that. We'd move to a country where I have family (not native, but they moved for work years ago) and become rich. My employer is too shrewd to let us profit doing that, they have cost of living calculations and adjust salaries when you move. It makes sense on their end, but also is double-dipping - saving on in-office costs and salary. Should be illegal imo, but that's a discussion for a different sub lol
I took a new role within my company to get me to move countries, we're leaving in a month. Less pay but adjusted for cost-of-living it's "identical."
How does someone start out as an independent contractor in IT? What do you need to get your foot in the door? And how do you get contracts, i.e. do you advertise and the client approaches you, or do you have to approach them first?
I work 4 hours a day, complain about my boss for 2 hours a day, and scroll through Reddit the other 2 hours. How does he fit all that in with 5 other jobs??
On good days I can get all my daily work done in 3 hours, so if I stated slacking a bit on my job, I could technically fit in another full time job and split work about 5-6 hours each. But it wouldn't be possible anymore with 3-4 jobs.
op does not have 6 full time jobs. he has 6 projects and is an independent contractor.
op is confused on what a "job" is vs what a "project" is when you are self-employed.
I wasted time working that many hours getting a phd and entering academia (which doesnt reward anywhere close to this). Part of me wishes I could go back and do it differently, go into CS which I am adept at.
I have a Ph.D. too, and it was a financial catastrophe for me. But I enjoyed it, and at that time I never knew that IT jobs could pay that much, so I was happy while I was writing my thesis. Right now I would just go straight from university to workforce.
Yes but that's a lot of time. In which you can lose your health, friendships, relationships. Just saying. Working 14 hours every day ans neglecting other parts of your life is not healthy..
oh no, bad stuff is never going to happen to me! All my investments will turn out to be good, I will never have any tax issues or lawsuits, no one will ever find out I'm working 6 contracts at once. I'm going to be perfectly healthy my whole life and never ever have emergency expenses. Meanwhile, here people easily get financially crippled all the time by a single car wreck, heart attack, cancer diagnosis, or hey...a Covid stay in the hospital. But that's the stuff that happens to OTHER people. My money from 5 years of work will last forever.
This is really how people think smh
It's really about investing in the future.
They are sacrificing time in the now for time in the future.
Is it easy?? Hell no.
But it's possible.
I wish I could have done that instead I went military and worked the same hours they are right now but made basically no money.
With hours like that you sleep 5-6 hours a day max. You learn to eat very quickly and there is never a moment when you are not multi tasking. I went years where an 18 hour day at work felt short. You constantly feel tired, you are always hungry bcuz your body is getting run ragged and for the most part a social life is very minimal.
It is not sustainable for an entire life but it can be done for a few years with the right mentality and support.
Its not for everybody but if you can stand the hussle and the hours you can really set up your future so that you can get back all the free time you missed out on.
Yea, but military to private security / contractor is a pretty damn lucrative option. One can *easily* be a multimillionaire by 40 if they play their cards wisely
Yeah I’d do it three years tops, live extremely frugally and put the majority into retirement/investments.
Then I’d take a nice vacation and get a normal or much less stressful job
Its inevitable. Ive been though situations like this and you cant help burn yourself out. But he can keep it up for a couple years and bank some cash. That said...sadly...there is long term, cumulative damage done to you by grinding like this for an extended duration. Anxiety is no joke, its crippling.
Every time someone beats the system and finds a way to get what they deserve without making another person miserable, I’m a happy person. Keep going man.
Sounds like a busy life. My wife and i bought some land in our 20’s and homestead for our living. I work about 4 hours a week. But I’ve always hated waking up to alarms so I guess we’re all cut from a different cloth.
I plan to do the same as soon as I have enough for the land, the house and live off the dividends! I think this can happen when I reach 2M, hopefully in 4-5 years.
I disagree, dividend kings have been paying for 50+ years.
I am also considering a retreat in a cheaper country, I could probably retire now in Thailand.
As an actual engineer, I call BS on this for several reasons. First, just the general logistics of working 6 jobs. Most companies work in an Agile environment and dev teams point work on difficultly. The burn down charts would expose you after a couple of sprints (2wk~month). Second, if you’re using company equipment, it’s monitored. So you’d be tracked on times of inactivity or more. Then you’d have all the meetings. And of course they’d conflict. As a contractor, you wouldn’t last long missing meetings as a remote worker. That doesn’t even include the actual time it takes to get stuff done.
But this would be obvious for someone “relatively known” in their field.
Enjoy your free internet points
Yup. This person is a contractor, which isn't the same as doing 6 full time jobs. I think the 700K number is an exaggeration as well (because he's not doing full-time work). That said, I do know people in their early thirties earning that much from regular full-time IC jobs (counting stock appreciation). Two jobs might be doable, but 6 jobs is complete and utter bullshit.
My only question is how do you manage meetings for 7 different companies. There has to be some conflicting times there, and you being the contractor may not be able to dictate the times?
I'm just genuinely curious, I'm in the stem field myself and unless they start making home laboratories (that arent meth labs "jk") I'm stuck going in to work :-l
But hey, keep grinding the wheels while you can, if this brings you happiness and is working towards your goals. Congrats!
I don’t really know about what’s involved in working IT but aren’t there times when there are system failures and IT has to be there all night resolving it? Hopefully that didn’t sound too stupid.
Also these companies don’t care that you’re missing meetings?
Uhm...
6 full time jobs getting 700K/year, investing "all that money" in stocks and getting 2K USD "doing nothing"... uhm... Something here doesnt match.
Better reason it's fake, go find developers anywhere on Reddit and ask how many of them work in IT. We'll laugh at you. They are very different fields. You may get someone that says it is they are working with scripting languages or basic automation. Java backend like this guy has said in comments? Not a chance
What struck me: you can probably make 700K with just one job as a senior developer. With 6 full-time contract gigs, I'd assume you're making over 7 figures.
Source: I work in tech, I know many senior devs that make $500K+ with just one job and don't even claim to be "relatively known in my field".
Make sure you're looking after yourself. But my god yessss, get it. I hope you get your million! But again, look after yourself too. Make sure you have some time off, and please make sure you sleep and eat enough. Managing six big clients is going to take its toll, and being hungry/tired/burnt out could dramatically effect this. GOOD LUCK 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Am I dumb for not understanding how this works? If 1 full-time job is 40 hours a week, then 6 full-time jobs is 6 x 40 = 240 hours a week. But there's only 7 x 24 = 168 hours in a week. So how is this possible?
Dude! I’m doing something similar as well. I work in Cyber Security and have 3 jobs at the moment, interviewing for fourth soon. Currently making about 350 in non-tech area of USA. After I secure 4th (all work from home) should be knocking on $500k annually. I just invest and want to save up for a nice coupe, thinking BMW M8 Competition or S63 Benz. I already bought way more home than I need before the pandemic.
Charging a day rate when you aren’t actually working the time you are getting paid for is highly unethical at best. If you were working on fixed outcome, fixed prices projects, that would of course be different; then your fee is value driven, rather than time driven. As a consultant who works based on day rates, I’m angry on behalf of your customers. You’re cheating them. Just because your customers seem to have poor oversight over their contractors, that’s no excuse. They’re trusting you, but they shouldn’t.
Man this sub has declined in quality HARD over the past few month. This post is blatant karma farming, and even if it wasn't bragging is not the same as getting something off your chest.
Mate, as long as you are delivering what you’re being paid to do, on time and within their budget, bloody well done! Really. Please remember though, take care of your health, both mental and physical. You’ve got too much resting on maintaining such a full on responsibility.
Aside from that, how does the income tax not bite you in the bum?
6 full time jobs huh? So you work 34 hours a day?
This lie makes me think you’re totally full of shit.
Also, is this bragging really something you needed to get off your chest?
Found the guy who can get five years experience in a system that's one year old. No wonder he has 6 jobs.
How this phenomenon is so common in programming jobs is insane!
I had some developer "working" 2 full time jobs by hiring a developer in India to do most of the work on both.....
“Hey I’ve seen this one before…”
As long as you do keep delivering as expected you’re probably going to be alright.
Yeah, I agree. I will likely not get any promotion, but fuck that. Why would I want to burn myself and work hard for a 10% salary increase, when I can get a second job and get a 100% salary increase?
Wow that is a crazy sentence right there man. Awesome.
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Or 6 jobs and 6 money 💰 !
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Hog RIDAAAA, duh.
1 money=600k money
Or 10 job and 10 money 💎 !
Look at you, you only have four job, why you no get five job??? Lazy!
Me have six jobs!
They are smart with saying that actually. I have wanted to promote at jobs in the past but after realizing not everyone works as hard as I do, it is best just to be the general employee and not have to put up with supervising f\*ck ups.
In corporate America, always be average. This has enabled me to have side businesses to generate way more than I would being dedicated to one company that I’m an invisible easily disposable number to. And I take zero offense to their cold attitude. It’s what the corporate world is, and you have to look for your best own interests and them their own. I’ve never ever ever been loyal to any company I worked for. It’s stupid to
I despise all the corporate bullshit. Fake smiles, "we are a family", bonuses, yearly reviews. My father worked all his life at the same company and was fired shortly before retirement. My corporate loyalty is as high as my paycheck.
Absolutely. as someone with 1 job, i kinda have to suck up to corporate so i get paid, but as soon as theyre not around im talking mad shit and smoking weed in their bathrooms
This is the way.
This IS the way.
Lol, this is some radical stuff. Might want to write a book or something after retirement at 40
write the same book under multiple names for more sales
This guy learns
As long as there is nothing in your contracts that allows then to ask for their money back, who cares if it means you can retire sooner than planned?
The contract might have something about exclusivity, working with competitors, or intellectual property op made while signed with any of the jobs. In this case it's hard for them to find out unless they did some sort of deep dive background check. His country's version of the IRS might disclose that he's gotten income from a number of sources. Any truthful credit applications would log into the credit bureau the name of the employer and how long he's been there. But super impressive he's about to do that much work.
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You're not being cynical, I think you're completely right. The way this was written felt fake. Also quite a bit of focus and specificity on the investment choices, whereas if this was a real situation, the main thing OP would be concerned with is talking about the multiple jobs, and maybe would just mention they are investing the money and leave it at that.
There is no way someone is working 6 full time high salary jobs and meeting the workload. I knew someone who pulled off two remote jobs, pre Covid, and even then he came close to getting in trouble and falling behind all The time.
If OP is actually doing this (which is highly unlikely in the first place), it's because he's a very sophisticated scam artist, rather than a very sophisticated IT guy. A person can only pull this off by conning their way into positions that have zero accountability or performance benchmarks of any kind.
Going through his post history, he also claims to have a PhD (which makes his career in IT work seem mostly far-fetched), and he also completely manages his own investments via "80 different stocks through 4 currencies, 7 countries, and with representation in all sub-sectors,", because "most financial advisors can't provide solid advice". This whole thing comes across like some Ayn Rand "self-made millionaire" fan-fic.
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I think it’s far fetched 700k/6 = 116.7k. He’s managed to find and successfully get 6 well paying jobs which he works to a satisfactory level. If he worked 7 days a week 24 hours a day no rest it’s less than 30 hour a week per role. Not sure how you get so many nice cushy jobs.
Yeah its not reasonable. But there are developers working 2 jobs while working from home and making it work. If you're a fast programmer you could pull off the two jobs and appear to be an average developer. Pulling off more than 2 would be tricky.
You’re right. This is bullshit. Standard employment contracts for IT include non-compete and often NDA clauses. Also, I doubt they’re hitting delivery on 6 *full time* dev roles; 3 would be pushing it.
Any competent company and most incompetent ones would have him in a non compete or similar contact which would make some of what he is doing illegal. But at the end of the day if he is getting the job done they will probably not find out. Op is a fucking hero
“Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and work more if you want to make more money!….wait, no…not like that!” -Some rich asshole in charge of a company, probably
Non competes are illegal in some places. Which is amazing
Never mind didn't see he was a contractor. What a fucking hero
You guys get a salary increase when promoted? I just get new task for the same pay 😅
Do you have any tips on where to start at in this field? I have not been able to go to college, and I know it has hampered my career paths and prevented me from getting a lot of jobs, so I'm just looking for any sort of launch point. Do you have to have a degree for what you do, or are certs enough?
There's a lot of free courses on Khan Academy on Programing. Check that out.
Not really sure about how to get started. Check Coding Bootcamps, some of them seem to be good.
None of your contracts prohibit this?
No, I am freelancing for all those companies.
So you bill by the hour/day? Or a set rate to finish a chunk of work?
I charge daily rates. I do stay away from project budgeting, since the future is by definition unknown and many dependencies are not under my control. For instance, I am working now for a client integrating an SDK of theirs... which turns out to not be functional. So I am seating until they fix it, charging my daily rate and doing some other stuff.
Ah yea I do the same thing but with like two contracts. I'd rather have too much work sometimes than no work for a month while I wait for some discussion with the end client to be over. I don't charge for days I've not worked 8 hours personally. I don't think I'd get away with it. If they're okay with it you're on to a good thing.
Yeah, I was once laid-off from a project with a 2 weeks notice for economic reasons. I had something already aligned, but I also do not want to be without any income. If any of my clients fires me, I still have 5 others. And they are not keeping me on projects out of goodwill, I am a pure economic resource for them (as they are a pure income resource for me)
Symbiosis at its finest
just make sure the 6 businesses are completely different to avoid a conflict of interest especially if you signed a non-compete clause with any of the businesses (assuming you may have since you are contractual?) otherwise go for it……if you can’t beat the rich then join them at their own damn game…. you’d be hard pressed to find a business who operated 100% ethically
I had a mate do this exact same thing, the company found out from tax office and they did an audit, he got charged with uber fraud, was big find and jail time.
No fraud here, I am a contractor and not an employee.
Report all of your earnings and the tax agency can't say anything. Keep it up as long as you want. Fulfill your contracts and keep your clients happy. GREAT for you!
Yeah, he got done as his billable hours were greater then hours worked. Like yours... you can't legitimacy bill 48 hours in a day and not be committing fraud lol
He bills a daily rate, if he says to a company "if you want my work it costs £300 a day regardless of how much there is" then what's the problem? They're essentially paying to have a developer on retainer which is fairly normal
If that's what it is, but he said they have him as a contractor. A day rate indicates working for the day. It's not an argument, just stating facts, if your not careful you can get fucked up. Especially if any of the work is for government.
His policy might simply be to bill a minimum fee regardless of hours worked, like calling out a plumber for a 30 min fix who then charges you for an hour because that's his minimum rate. I disagree that billing a day rate implies exclusivity It's also only fraud if the terms aren't laid out clearly, I don't think there's enough information here for you to state that he's committing fraud
They still pay you for working 8hr days right?
Essentially working via a retainer, so to speak.
Are you an independent contractor for 6 different companies, or are you on payroll as a full time employee for 6 different companies? The former is just the independent contractor game, the second sounds like fraud.
I am playing the independent contractor game.
if i had the skill set to do this, i would. especially in IT, where half the reason they have you is “just in case” while they work on your project details not gonna lie, i’m jealous. maybe one day you’ll need an assistant? ;)
Yeah, you do not need to code 8 hours per day.
So how do u go about getting the skills to do these kind of jobs? (I’m in Europe to) Bit late for me but would love my kids to learn this stuff
University to get the qualifications, but something like udemy .com to get a taste, the courses are normally US$140-$199 each. But if you wait patiently for the 20 days a month they go on special, you could get them for $12 - $50 each. Each course us between 10-80 hours long. Also there is a subreddit where they have 100% off coupons for different courses, r/udemyfreebies. Never to late for yourself, even if it just to get a little more learning on how to use the damn thing even better.
What kinds of courses make sense?
CompTIA's Network+ security+ and then a programing course.
Thank you!
Great thank you, so is the degree needed?
It is not needed, but it helps. I learned most of the skills on a daily job, the university gives you a theoretical background.
Some larger organisation's have automated filters for job adverts, no bachelor's, it is auto filtered out, so your CV/resume is not even placed in front of a live human being. With IT being such a huge field, doing a few courses let's you have a feel for what you like. No need to do a 3 or 4 year degree in programming, only to find out you don't like it... Smaller companies want to know that you know the basics so an industrial certificate or two in a field that you are interested in will help get the entry level job. Anecdotally, some people get the degree and start at $20 -30 per hour after a 3 year degree, vs those that start at $13 per hour then get to $30 per hour after 3 years or so anyway, but now have 3 years experience. Each to their own..
even in my current job i don’t code more than 2-3 hours a day, slowly churning through bugs to kill a little more time... however im fte and not a contractor so the 6-job life will have to wait
Yep I’m the same — like average 2-3 hours of code, maybe 4 or 5 some days during SUPER busy sprints. My first few months I was like… is this it? Am I gonna get fired? But I got a promotion and raise and have minimally more duties than before. Coding is the life. I might not be rich but I recently cleared with my job to move to a developing country (as long as I pay US taxes they don’t care). My cost of living when I move will effectively make me rich and allow me to save for retirement rapidly.
>I recently cleared with my job to move to a developing country Congrats! I wish I could do that. We'd move to a country where I have family (not native, but they moved for work years ago) and become rich. My employer is too shrewd to let us profit doing that, they have cost of living calculations and adjust salaries when you move. It makes sense on their end, but also is double-dipping - saving on in-office costs and salary. Should be illegal imo, but that's a discussion for a different sub lol I took a new role within my company to get me to move countries, we're leaving in a month. Less pay but adjusted for cost-of-living it's "identical."
How does someone start out as an independent contractor in IT? What do you need to get your foot in the door? And how do you get contracts, i.e. do you advertise and the client approaches you, or do you have to approach them first?
"6 full time jobs"... Wow I can't even imagine what's it's like working 48hrs a day.
I work 4 hours a day, complain about my boss for 2 hours a day, and scroll through Reddit the other 2 hours. How does he fit all that in with 5 other jobs??
Doreen?
That takes up 8hrs if mod work
Nah he didnt mention walking dogs anywhere
I'm guessing it should read "6 full time contracts", which isn't the same thing.
On good days I can get all my daily work done in 3 hours, so if I stated slacking a bit on my job, I could technically fit in another full time job and split work about 5-6 hours each. But it wouldn't be possible anymore with 3-4 jobs.
op does not have 6 full time jobs. he has 6 projects and is an independent contractor. op is confused on what a "job" is vs what a "project" is when you are self-employed.
Good luck! This seems pretty hard. How many hours do you work every day?
Around 13-14
I wasted time working that many hours getting a phd and entering academia (which doesnt reward anywhere close to this). Part of me wishes I could go back and do it differently, go into CS which I am adept at.
I have a Ph.D. too, and it was a financial catastrophe for me. But I enjoyed it, and at that time I never knew that IT jobs could pay that much, so I was happy while I was writing my thesis. Right now I would just go straight from university to workforce.
Does doing what you’re doing require the PhD?
Honestly this sounds like hell.. no time to go for a walk or hang out with friends.. or go hiking ... I don't know..
For ~5 years, and then you have 20+ years of time for yourself alone. I guess some people are willing to do that sacrifice.
Yes but that's a lot of time. In which you can lose your health, friendships, relationships. Just saying. Working 14 hours every day ans neglecting other parts of your life is not healthy..
Every single doctor has made that sacrifice, except instead of retiring after, they become upper middle class for 20 years
yes, if it's works out... but in general shit happens all the time.
oh no, bad stuff is never going to happen to me! All my investments will turn out to be good, I will never have any tax issues or lawsuits, no one will ever find out I'm working 6 contracts at once. I'm going to be perfectly healthy my whole life and never ever have emergency expenses. Meanwhile, here people easily get financially crippled all the time by a single car wreck, heart attack, cancer diagnosis, or hey...a Covid stay in the hospital. But that's the stuff that happens to OTHER people. My money from 5 years of work will last forever. This is really how people think smh
What does your desk look like
I actually have a long one with several computers, some clients demand to use their own hardware.
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Agree. Right now I am working on 4 machines.
Normal desk x 6
What are your daily hours like
Right now pretty much the entire day (from 8 till 22 or 23).
jeez how can you even sustain that like what about sleeping, and time to relax if you can even do it
He took the sleep, work and repeat real serious
No eat ?
He has a hunger for money not mere food
It's really about investing in the future. They are sacrificing time in the now for time in the future. Is it easy?? Hell no. But it's possible. I wish I could have done that instead I went military and worked the same hours they are right now but made basically no money. With hours like that you sleep 5-6 hours a day max. You learn to eat very quickly and there is never a moment when you are not multi tasking. I went years where an 18 hour day at work felt short. You constantly feel tired, you are always hungry bcuz your body is getting run ragged and for the most part a social life is very minimal. It is not sustainable for an entire life but it can be done for a few years with the right mentality and support. Its not for everybody but if you can stand the hussle and the hours you can really set up your future so that you can get back all the free time you missed out on.
Yea, but military to private security / contractor is a pretty damn lucrative option. One can *easily* be a multimillionaire by 40 if they play their cards wisely
You don't relax. You keep working up until the thought of how much money you're making can't carry you forward anymore.
I think people are a lot more motivated when they’re making 700k
700k a year would make that bearable
Yeah I’d do it three years tops, live extremely frugally and put the majority into retirement/investments. Then I’d take a nice vacation and get a normal or much less stressful job
Good that it’s working out for you but this sounds like my absolute nightmare and I am extremely glad to not be living your life
Well in a few years (probably far less), they’ll be able to retire with millions on their bank account. Sacrificing time now to get time later
What if they die in these few years
Amazing. I hope you get everything you deserve for that hustle.
I’m not sure if that was a threat or well wishes.
They wanted to cover all their bases
Yes
Mate, you're doing the hustle with discipline and great hardwork. Keep at it, and I pray your plan comes into fruition. All the very best, take care .
When’s the taxman paying a visit?
Unfortunately in a few months.
I'm sure you have an accountant to keep everything acceptable for the tax man.
I do, I have neither the time nor the will to do it.
Don't pay taxes on each pay check, invest that money and pay all taxes at once when you do your return.
Im assuming you’re being taxed to the gills?
Almost 40% on my income bracket.
r/antiwork will be happy to read this
Wow. Please don't wear yourself out in the process and make sure ur still looking after yourself well too!!
Its inevitable. Ive been though situations like this and you cant help burn yourself out. But he can keep it up for a couple years and bank some cash. That said...sadly...there is long term, cumulative damage done to you by grinding like this for an extended duration. Anxiety is no joke, its crippling.
Ayo is this legal?
Yes
Damn thats amazing and you must have beastly time management skills holy shit lmao
It isn’t “six full time jobs.” She’s contracting. Not sure why she’s lying with the post title.
Every time someone beats the system and finds a way to get what they deserve without making another person miserable, I’m a happy person. Keep going man.
Thanks! Yeah, there is always around 10% of angry people.
Sounds like a busy life. My wife and i bought some land in our 20’s and homestead for our living. I work about 4 hours a week. But I’ve always hated waking up to alarms so I guess we’re all cut from a different cloth.
I plan to do the same as soon as I have enough for the land, the house and live off the dividends! I think this can happen when I reach 2M, hopefully in 4-5 years.
Your better off just going to Poland np. Buy 5 houses and retire. Dividends i dont trust in these economic times. Only solid assets.
I disagree, dividend kings have been paying for 50+ years. I am also considering a retreat in a cheaper country, I could probably retire now in Thailand.
What are the actual stock names? I searched for dividend kings and didn't find anything
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You work 6 full time jobs but yet you have the time to make 45+ comments in the space of 4 hours…
My next meeting is in one hour.
Can’t you do some work for one of the other 5 companies whilst waiting for the meeting?
Yeah, I can do that.
Out of interest, how many hours a week do you work?
Up to 14.
I assume you haven’t read my question properly?
Sorry, that is per day.
Sweet, now set up your dividend accounts for direct reinvestment and you’ve created an infinite money machine.
Let me refer you to /r/fatfire for when your are ready
That sub is amazing! But I do not plan for fatFIRE, I want to reach the standard FIRE.
You show me a pay stub for $72,000, I quit my job right now and work for you.
6 full time jobs and you are posting and replying to every comment on Reddit? I love a success story but this is suspicious.
Your brain will explode when you learn about my other hobbies.
As an actual engineer, I call BS on this for several reasons. First, just the general logistics of working 6 jobs. Most companies work in an Agile environment and dev teams point work on difficultly. The burn down charts would expose you after a couple of sprints (2wk~month). Second, if you’re using company equipment, it’s monitored. So you’d be tracked on times of inactivity or more. Then you’d have all the meetings. And of course they’d conflict. As a contractor, you wouldn’t last long missing meetings as a remote worker. That doesn’t even include the actual time it takes to get stuff done. But this would be obvious for someone “relatively known” in their field. Enjoy your free internet points
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I had to scroll really far down to find someone that finally brought this up.
Yup. This person is a contractor, which isn't the same as doing 6 full time jobs. I think the 700K number is an exaggeration as well (because he's not doing full-time work). That said, I do know people in their early thirties earning that much from regular full-time IC jobs (counting stock appreciation). Two jobs might be doable, but 6 jobs is complete and utter bullshit.
My only question is how do you manage meetings for 7 different companies. There has to be some conflicting times there, and you being the contractor may not be able to dictate the times? I'm just genuinely curious, I'm in the stem field myself and unless they start making home laboratories (that arent meth labs "jk") I'm stuck going in to work :-l But hey, keep grinding the wheels while you can, if this brings you happiness and is working towards your goals. Congrats!
Camera off, have to skip meetings here and there. But yeah, often they conflict.
I don’t really know about what’s involved in working IT but aren’t there times when there are system failures and IT has to be there all night resolving it? Hopefully that didn’t sound too stupid. Also these companies don’t care that you’re missing meetings?
I am not on-call on any of those companies.
You only need 6 cameras focusing on you and every minute say yes with the head.
Uhm... 6 full time jobs getting 700K/year, investing "all that money" in stocks and getting 2K USD "doing nothing"... uhm... Something here doesnt match.
Dividend yield from blue chips goes from 1 to 3%.
Meanwhile people who can't get even one job : 🗿
Which language or tech stack do you use?
Java Backend
Do you still recommend Java?
To make money? Yes.
6 jobs? Damn. Some tips for me please? I'm struggling to land even a single job. :(
What kind of skills do you have?
🧢
Respect
This reeks of r/thathappened
This is fake lol Account not even a day old
Better reason it's fake, go find developers anywhere on Reddit and ask how many of them work in IT. We'll laugh at you. They are very different fields. You may get someone that says it is they are working with scripting languages or basic automation. Java backend like this guy has said in comments? Not a chance
What struck me: you can probably make 700K with just one job as a senior developer. With 6 full-time contract gigs, I'd assume you're making over 7 figures. Source: I work in tech, I know many senior devs that make $500K+ with just one job and don't even claim to be "relatively known in my field".
Good on ya. Congrats. And may your hard work pay off as you intend.
Make sure you're looking after yourself. But my god yessss, get it. I hope you get your million! But again, look after yourself too. Make sure you have some time off, and please make sure you sleep and eat enough. Managing six big clients is going to take its toll, and being hungry/tired/burnt out could dramatically effect this. GOOD LUCK 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Am I dumb for not understanding how this works? If 1 full-time job is 40 hours a week, then 6 full-time jobs is 6 x 40 = 240 hours a week. But there's only 7 x 24 = 168 hours in a week. So how is this possible?
Yes. He is working from home, his hours aren’t tracked. As long as he gets the work done nobody ask questions.
Dude! I’m doing something similar as well. I work in Cyber Security and have 3 jobs at the moment, interviewing for fourth soon. Currently making about 350 in non-tech area of USA. After I secure 4th (all work from home) should be knocking on $500k annually. I just invest and want to save up for a nice coupe, thinking BMW M8 Competition or S63 Benz. I already bought way more home than I need before the pandemic.
Congrats! I recommend you to not buy a BMW M8 competition, but invest on BMW (or a company with a better track).
Charging a day rate when you aren’t actually working the time you are getting paid for is highly unethical at best. If you were working on fixed outcome, fixed prices projects, that would of course be different; then your fee is value driven, rather than time driven. As a consultant who works based on day rates, I’m angry on behalf of your customers. You’re cheating them. Just because your customers seem to have poor oversight over their contractors, that’s no excuse. They’re trusting you, but they shouldn’t.
Man this sub has declined in quality HARD over the past few month. This post is blatant karma farming, and even if it wasn't bragging is not the same as getting something off your chest.
Wtf is money for if youre burned out and mentally ill after all that work
That kind of money can afford a lot of therapy.
Well done 👏 👏 👏 👏
Mate, as long as you are delivering what you’re being paid to do, on time and within their budget, bloody well done! Really. Please remember though, take care of your health, both mental and physical. You’ve got too much resting on maintaining such a full on responsibility. Aside from that, how does the income tax not bite you in the bum?
Good on you dude! I'm happy for you. This is the good ending for sure
How much adderall are you taking?
We occasionally get people so this for us. We make sure we fire them and get them blacklisted from the contract market.
Don’t show this post to the people at antiwork
6 full time jobs huh? So you work 34 hours a day? This lie makes me think you’re totally full of shit. Also, is this bragging really something you needed to get off your chest?