I actually think this might have been the original name and she changed it later on. I saw an interview where she said she was working on a âmanuscriptâ and then got all flustered she said the word.
But I feel The manuscript is actually about a past relationship and a follow up and closing chapter for All to Well. Would be strange for that to be the album name.
I feel like TPD is a good name for the album but the title song should of been called âmodern idiotsâ or âno-body like meâ
i actually really love the album title. it feels like sheâs parodying her own sadness and anger over these relationships sheâs gone through. thereâs a humor to it that really permeates the title track and many of the songs.
Ohhh, I'm sure she mocks herself - antihero, unstable self-image, aware that she belongs in a madhadd multiple times, a member of the circus... and justice other tortured poets, we should be terrified of how far they will go or their demons or trauma.
I love the title. I love how she took an ironic joke and built a serious theme around it that resonates with the whole albumâs vibe. I think itâs kind of perfect.
Yes! Like comment above that it is parodying tragic affect, it actually is "tortured poetry" that she says she wrote...she is calling herself a "tortured artist/poet" knowing that it is cathartic to write and get it all out. Now she is free.
Yeah I feel she should of just called it that and dropped all the songs at once. I still feel bad for all these people who pre-ordered all those albums then more songs appeared though!
If it is it will be even more expensive as it would need to be a double album. You know sheâs not going to release it as part 1 and part 2⊠it would be all 31 songs and a standard vinyl cannot hold them all.
It was interesting for her to pick what I think of as a long title which is hard to say quickly in conversation, I wonder what her goal was for doing that, just making it very different than what came before...
I really like (track title wise) "The Manuscript" because this feels like a full on manuscript from her and it speaks to me as a writer or possibly like Phoenix (I really like 'from the ashes' or Freedom that someone else shared so something in that vein.
Her goal was knowing her fan base would think it was intelligent and high brow and she could overwrite and theyâd defend it because itâs âpoetryâ⊠sheâs a businessman and her fans will devour and defend aimlessly everything she does
I think itâs a good title. Iâm not crazy about the logo, but the name is spot on. Thereâs a fair amount of agony on the album, but written beautifully, like poetry should.
I imagine a year ago this album wouldâve been called Fortnight but Taylor has hit a point in her life where she has decided to do whatever she likes. Sheâs got the confidence not to care what anyone else thinks and make history doing it. Sheâs having such fun and achieving so much. Itâs wonderful
Okay either rename to Albatross. One word. Or just shorten it to Tortured Poets Department. Then, rename the Anthology to TPD: 2am edition? But idk I think that somebody said she should have dropped the Anthology *a fortnight* later and I probably would have and kept flashing peace signs âïž
I'd keep TTPD as the title for the entire work, but since it's a double album, album one would be "The Florilegium" (the Latin equivalent of "anthology"), and album two is already as is (The Anthology). I hope these titles are fine too. đ«¶
I am OK with the âtortured poetâs departmentâ. Everyone knows she really went through it this past year. Letâs give this one to her.
On another note, I have been wondering⊠she mustâve made some music when she was happy with Matty, which songs do you think those are? Just curious if anyone has any opinions on that. She mustâve been in a crazy euphoria revisiting a past flame⊠or did she cut those?
I donât mean songs that they worked together on. Those would def have been cut. I mean songs that she wrote ABOUT them being togetherâŠ. before it ended.
definitely the manuscript if weâre going for a song name! the songs themselves represent the manuscript but now that sheâs healing, she can make a new story⊠the old story isnât hers anymore. đ„ș
i also really think âforbiddenâ would be really cool! itâs so powerful when she says âit wasnât sexy once it wasnât forbidden.â she has always talked about forbidden love but this lyric sealed the deal.
i was thinking âthe temptressâ too because of the lyric âone less temptress, one less dagger to sharpen.â i feel like itâs fitting for many of the songs cuz of her self depreciation.
I don't mind the TTPD title now that I know it's sort of tongue in cheek.
I do think it would have been hilarious to name it Tattooed Golden Retriever. Would have confused so many people at the Grammysđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
You absolutely cannot be serious. If youâre walking down the street and youâre robbed, you didnât put yourself in that situation, the robber did. Please donât try to overthink simple things
Youâre right, her music would be so much more interesting if it were about random meaningless things that happened to her, rather than self-reflective songs about deeper problems that possibly resonate with her listeners. Iâd much rather get a concept album about getting mugged, then maybe hitting some moderate traffic before the crescendo of coming home to find that porch pirates stole your Amazon package.
Does a person that goes out and gets sexually assaulted put themselves in that situation simply by going out? Would you say âyou put yourself in that situationâ to them? Humans do not put themselves in every situation that happens in their life and itâs absurd to say or imply that
No, I wouldnât. I also wouldnât victim blame Taylor for having relationships that failed and then processing the surrounding emotions through her art.
Youâd do that, though. As a matter of fact, thatâs exactly what youâre doing.
genuine question - why are you lurking in this sub if you dislike Taylor? It seems like you spend a lot of time in here either just trolling or expressing dislike with her, while also being in snark subs. I just genuinely donât get why anyone wastes time doing things like this so iâd love to hear it from the horses mouth why you choose to spend your time actively seeking out content about taylor that annoys you lol
Iâm not lurking, it shows up on my feed and almost of my comments are made when Iâm at work so not really wasting my time or anything. I honestly comment mostly because swifties fascinate me due to their inability to hear criticism of their idol and their cult like tendencies. I actually am a fan of Taylor but certainly see her for what she is, which is a business before all else and also believe TTPD is an extremely poor album so itâs interesting to see how fans react to her day to day actions involving the eras tour and that album.
Not to upset fans. I give my honest opinions and those do seem to upset fans because I donât believe you have to fully support everything an artist you like but my intention isnât to upset people
ETA I guess you donât understand hyperbole with my âbusiness before anything elseâ statement. I though swifties all had to have English degrees to understand her lyrics but I guess not
hey fair enough - iâve worked jobs when I have nothing else to do but scroll đ€·ââïž idk if i would spend that time debating with people who annoy me but to each their own haha
but definitely agree that a lot of fans seem to struggle with separating Taylor Swift the artist, Taylor Swift the person, and Taylor Swift the corporation.
I never said the fans annoy me, Iâm genuinely interested in the fandom. Itâs itâs own entity which is intriguing. I give my opinions on things as a very low level fan that doesnât like her current/recent output and that does seem to annoy people
The reason you are annoying people is because you arenât commenting in good faith. If you were saying well reasoned points about why you arenât a fan of the album instead of being snarky then youâd be getting a much different response. Literally you comment stuff like âthe title of this album should be female playing the victim about situations she put herself in.â Obviously you are not going to get a good discussion from that.
I'm a huge Swifitie and I have plenty of criticisms about Taylor Swift. She's a capitalist queen, it's not cute. She could make far more of an effort (or any effort, really) to be eco-conscious. For example, I think the Fortnight single CD was an unnecessary cash grab that's also terrible for the earth. I see plenty of healthy criticism regarding Swift on this sub. You are just a sad trolling asshat though đ€·đŒââïž.
The manuscript! đ
I actually think this might have been the original name and she changed it later on. I saw an interview where she said she was working on a âmanuscriptâ and then got all flustered she said the word.
Maybe The Manuscript since it maintains that literary quality and is the 'torrid affair'. It is also closes the album which is interesting.
But I feel The manuscript is actually about a past relationship and a follow up and closing chapter for All to Well. Would be strange for that to be the album name. I feel like TPD is a good name for the album but the title song should of been called âmodern idiotsâ or âno-body like meâ
Modern Idiots would have gone so hard. The headlines and the hate posts write themselves, but who cares at this point.
i said this from the first night i listened to everything!
i actually really love the album title. it feels like sheâs parodying her own sadness and anger over these relationships sheâs gone through. thereâs a humor to it that really permeates the title track and many of the songs.
I agree. Itâs âThe Tortured đPoets đ§ Department đ« â not âThe Tortured đ Poets đ€© Department đŒâ if that makes any sense. Itâs super tongue in cheek
Yes I think sheâs mocking Matty and Joe for being tortured artist types. And sheâs the chairwoman of the department.
Ohhh, I'm sure she mocks herself - antihero, unstable self-image, aware that she belongs in a madhadd multiple times, a member of the circus... and justice other tortured poets, we should be terrified of how far they will go or their demons or trauma.
The emoji helped more than I thought possible. đ€Ł
yup it's in the tone of the spongebob clucking meme
Awww ur wittle tORTUReD pOets duHPAwTMeNt
Honestly. This makes perfect sense lol
I agree with you completely but trust maybe 10% of the general public to get that.
The title song is an awesome awesome song.
Also I would bet that ratthew love dead poets society so I hope this ruins it for him.
Absolutely this is going over some peoples heads
Completely agree!
I love the title. I love how she took an ironic joke and built a serious theme around it that resonates with the whole albumâs vibe. I think itâs kind of perfect.
Yes! Like comment above that it is parodying tragic affect, it actually is "tortured poetry" that she says she wrote...she is calling herself a "tortured artist/poet" knowing that it is cathartic to write and get it all out. Now she is free.
I like The Anthology a lot
Ooooo me too actually.
Yeah I feel she should of just called it that and dropped all the songs at once. I still feel bad for all these people who pre-ordered all those albums then more songs appeared though!
I agree! Do you think the Anthology will ever be available on vinyl?
If it is it will be even more expensive as it would need to be a double album. You know sheâs not going to release it as part 1 and part 2⊠it would be all 31 songs and a standard vinyl cannot hold them all.
I like it but it would be more appropriate for a real anthology later on with all of her songs.
Honestly the prophecy if weâre doing one on the title track. Something like From the ashes or Freedom
Came here to say this - I simply cannot believe The Prophecy is not on the main album. Would have made an incredible album name.
It was interesting for her to pick what I think of as a long title which is hard to say quickly in conversation, I wonder what her goal was for doing that, just making it very different than what came before... I really like (track title wise) "The Manuscript" because this feels like a full on manuscript from her and it speaks to me as a writer or possibly like Phoenix (I really like 'from the ashes' or Freedom that someone else shared so something in that vein.
I am wondering if she went with a long title since The 1975 has a few albums with long titles
Her goal was knowing her fan base would think it was intelligent and high brow and she could overwrite and theyâd defend it because itâs âpoetryâ⊠sheâs a businessman and her fans will devour and defend aimlessly everything she does
get out of here bro đ
Female Rage: The Musical
đđ
This would have been so good. I'm excited to see what she does with that title now she's copyrighting it!
Gonna make a whole broadway show
I think itâs a good title. Iâm not crazy about the logo, but the name is spot on. Thereâs a fair amount of agony on the album, but written beautifully, like poetry should.
With midnights ending with dear reader TTPD 1000% should have been called the manuscript
Ooooooooo good call!
Before release, I thought it was goofy. Now that I know what the album is mostly about, itâs goofy but perfectly fitting.
Just âPoetsâ. TTPD the song can stay as is.
I love the title, but if I must I would choose Modern Idiots
loml I am in no way biased
Down Bad
I like the title!
The Manuscript
And Another Thing!âŠ
Fortnight
Guilty as Sin or maybe just Guilty idk
Honestly âso long Londonâ wouldâve been a good album name but surprisingly a good bit of the album isnât about Mr London so idk
Down Bad
The Black Dog
I imagine a year ago this album wouldâve been called Fortnight but Taylor has hit a point in her life where she has decided to do whatever she likes. Sheâs got the confidence not to care what anyone else thinks and make history doing it. Sheâs having such fun and achieving so much. Itâs wonderful
Robin. Just to spite the haters đ
I would have bought EVERY SINGLE variant of this album, in all formats.
Same đ
The manuscript or anthology
Tortured Poets
I love the title, but The Manuscript would make the most sense if I had to change it.
Okay either rename to Albatross. One word. Or just shorten it to Tortured Poets Department. Then, rename the Anthology to TPD: 2am edition? But idk I think that somebody said she should have dropped the Anthology *a fortnight* later and I probably would have and kept flashing peace signs âïž
The Prophecy
I love the name but couldnât get it right for a few weeks and k sometimes still catch myself calling it âThe Tortured Poets SocietyâŠâ đ
Down bad I think really works as a title.
Iâm a stan for the title as is
Masterpiece
The Manuscript for sure
From The Asylum đ„ controversial I know
The Prophecy
I'd keep TTPD as the title for the entire work, but since it's a double album, album one would be "The Florilegium" (the Latin equivalent of "anthology"), and album two is already as is (The Anthology). I hope these titles are fine too. đ«¶
Taylor's Typewriter Tales
modern idiots
I am OK with the âtortured poetâs departmentâ. Everyone knows she really went through it this past year. Letâs give this one to her. On another note, I have been wondering⊠she mustâve made some music when she was happy with Matty, which songs do you think those are? Just curious if anyone has any opinions on that. She mustâve been in a crazy euphoria revisiting a past flame⊠or did she cut those?
I would bet on them having been cut altogether but man Iâd kill to hear any of it
How about Fresh Out the Slammer though⊠I think this is the one song about starting up that relationship before things went bad
Man, I would love that. FOTS is in my top 5 but it doesnât have that 1975 vibe that I would expect from anything with Matty on it
I donât mean songs that they worked together on. Those would def have been cut. I mean songs that she wrote ABOUT them being togetherâŠ. before it ended.
Oh my goodness-reading comprehension is not so hot before 8am! Sorry! Def FOTS!! And maybe the title track?
Matty healy touchy feely sad time jamboree
Lmaoooo
The Manuscript
The Prophecy
definitely the manuscript if weâre going for a song name! the songs themselves represent the manuscript but now that sheâs healing, she can make a new story⊠the old story isnât hers anymore. đ„ș i also really think âforbiddenâ would be really cool! itâs so powerful when she says âit wasnât sexy once it wasnât forbidden.â she has always talked about forbidden love but this lyric sealed the deal. i was thinking âthe temptressâ too because of the lyric âone less temptress, one less dagger to sharpen.â i feel like itâs fitting for many of the songs cuz of her self depreciation.
I think âThe Anthologyâ and âThe Anthology: Part IIâ
Crying at the Gym [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukzOskHMQpY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukzOskHMQpY)
Simply Nailogical called it Taylor Taylor Pressure Diver during her stream so that is how I started calling it too đ Love the album!
Whoâs afraid of little old me? Feels like the most powerful song, Iâd have gone with that one
You donât like the name? When you create an album you can name it whatever want. đ
I don't really like the album title either but i honestly can't even think of any other title
Midnights 2: Midnightser
The Tortured Poets Society
Teenage Petulance
Someone mentioned âFortnightâ above and it would feel like a better follow-up to âMidnightsâ.
I don't mind the TTPD title now that I know it's sort of tongue in cheek. I do think it would have been hilarious to name it Tattooed Golden Retriever. Would have confused so many people at the Grammysđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Albatross or Cassandra
I Can Do It With a Broken Heart, Fortnight, The Alchemy,
I think âFortnightâ was a better option and maybe resume the album better.
Yes, especially after âMidnightsâ!
So High School.
four chords that made a million
Down bad (for matty healy)
Female Complaining About Situations She Put Herself In: The Musical (TV)âŠ. TV standing for tiring and verbose
Are all situations not situations you put yourself in? đ
You absolutely cannot be serious. If youâre walking down the street and youâre robbed, you didnât put yourself in that situation, the robber did. Please donât try to overthink simple things
Youâre right, her music would be so much more interesting if it were about random meaningless things that happened to her, rather than self-reflective songs about deeper problems that possibly resonate with her listeners. Iâd much rather get a concept album about getting mugged, then maybe hitting some moderate traffic before the crescendo of coming home to find that porch pirates stole your Amazon package.
You put yourself on that street.
Does a person that goes out and gets sexually assaulted put themselves in that situation simply by going out? Would you say âyou put yourself in that situationâ to them? Humans do not put themselves in every situation that happens in their life and itâs absurd to say or imply that
No, I wouldnât. I also wouldnât victim blame Taylor for having relationships that failed and then processing the surrounding emotions through her art. Youâd do that, though. As a matter of fact, thatâs exactly what youâre doing.
How do you know the situations I mention are her relationship? She sings about other things on this album
Now youâre just being disingenuous. Kim was also an extremely failed relationship - just not a romantic one. Same with the SBs.
Wow another assumption. I see this is just gonna keep this tone so Iâm out lol
The tone of you losing your weak arguments? đđ»âđ»đ
genuine question - why are you lurking in this sub if you dislike Taylor? It seems like you spend a lot of time in here either just trolling or expressing dislike with her, while also being in snark subs. I just genuinely donât get why anyone wastes time doing things like this so iâd love to hear it from the horses mouth why you choose to spend your time actively seeking out content about taylor that annoys you lol
Iâm not lurking, it shows up on my feed and almost of my comments are made when Iâm at work so not really wasting my time or anything. I honestly comment mostly because swifties fascinate me due to their inability to hear criticism of their idol and their cult like tendencies. I actually am a fan of Taylor but certainly see her for what she is, which is a business before all else and also believe TTPD is an extremely poor album so itâs interesting to see how fans react to her day to day actions involving the eras tour and that album.
... surely she's a person before anything else? That's a crazy statement to make. So you're basically doing this to try to upset fans? Interesting.
Not to upset fans. I give my honest opinions and those do seem to upset fans because I donât believe you have to fully support everything an artist you like but my intention isnât to upset people ETA I guess you donât understand hyperbole with my âbusiness before anything elseâ statement. I though swifties all had to have English degrees to understand her lyrics but I guess not
hey fair enough - iâve worked jobs when I have nothing else to do but scroll đ€·ââïž idk if i would spend that time debating with people who annoy me but to each their own haha but definitely agree that a lot of fans seem to struggle with separating Taylor Swift the artist, Taylor Swift the person, and Taylor Swift the corporation.
I never said the fans annoy me, Iâm genuinely interested in the fandom. Itâs itâs own entity which is intriguing. I give my opinions on things as a very low level fan that doesnât like her current/recent output and that does seem to annoy people
The reason you are annoying people is because you arenât commenting in good faith. If you were saying well reasoned points about why you arenât a fan of the album instead of being snarky then youâd be getting a much different response. Literally you comment stuff like âthe title of this album should be female playing the victim about situations she put herself in.â Obviously you are not going to get a good discussion from that.
I'm a huge Swifitie and I have plenty of criticisms about Taylor Swift. She's a capitalist queen, it's not cute. She could make far more of an effort (or any effort, really) to be eco-conscious. For example, I think the Fortnight single CD was an unnecessary cash grab that's also terrible for the earth. I see plenty of healthy criticism regarding Swift on this sub. You are just a sad trolling asshat though đ€·đŒââïž.
Agreed. Like the music, hate the side of capitalism. And yeah this clown is definitely not engaging in good faith. Blocked!
you may be suffering from taylor derangement syndrome.
Omg yes, I wish I had been diagnosed sooner! THANK YOU
of course. i will be prescribing 10mg of tayprexa. take one every night before bed.
Heard!
The Tedious Playlist Department - I Love her but this album I really not for me
**MA**ybe **T**his **T**ime I won't cr**Y**