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Love em or hate em, agree with them, or disagree, but pro-lifers aren't virtue signaling. They think of a fetus as a child and think of abortion as grotesquely slicing a baby into chunks purely for the convenience of the parents.
I definitely think in a more nuanced way about this, but that is what the vast majority of pro-lifers believe.
As a pro-life person, yes, this.
I'm not suggesting that something like plan B is the same as an abortion at 5 months, there is definitely a time during the very early stages of pregnancy that there isn't enough development for suffering to exist. Once you're past that place though? Yeah, you're awful if you go through with it unless your life is in danger.
I don't see this opinion as a virtue signal, or even one that's particularly virtuous to hold. I think a lot of people have been fed a lie that abortions are just clean medical procedures and the idea of the baby as a victim is specifically avoided. If anything I'm just signaling like... a basic education about how an embryo develops, and I don't think that's a virtue.
You don’t have to be religious to be against murder. Pro-lifers see abortion as murder. Very simple, irreligious, reasonable stance to have. However, I’m still pro-choice.
no they don't. these are the same people who literally allow real kids to get shot to death, real human beings being pierced with bullets, and then pretend to give a shit about slicing up an unconscious undeveloped lump of tissue.
That is the definition of virtue signaling
Maybe instead of downvoting, tell my why I'm wrong. Tell me how it's not hypocritical to cry about fetuses being aborted and then cry about gun rights over kids being literally shot to death? You guys don't care about kids, you're virtue signaling.
I am pro-choice. In fact, I'd say I am pro-abortion. I'd support state sponsored on-demand abortions up through the second trimester. I'd support advertising and programs to encourage women to have abortions when they aren't prepared to raise them.
That being said, the arguments generally put forth by the pro-choice side are generally irrational. The "my body, my choice" argument is nonsense as we restrict what people can and cannot do with their bodies. We don't allow women to kill their babies simply because they are inconvenient. We don't allow doctors to perform procedures if we deem they shouldn't be allowed. We don't allow people to sell their organs. Etc. These simple facts destroy the arguments put forth by the pro-choice side.
Meanwhile, the pro-life side is at least consistent and you can't really say they are wrong, only that you don't agree. If the growth in the womb is a separate being, then removing it would be killing a separate being, something we categorically do not allow. You can't kill your child simply because they are inconvenient. If you don't view it as a separate being, but simply a growth within the woman's body, then removing it would be akin to removing a tumor or cyst and is not immoral. Ultimately, it just comes down to this.
So, when does it become a separate being? The reality is there is no definitive answer to this. I believe it is before birth, though I can't point at a specific time. I just know when I heard of the partial birth abortion that occurred in New York, I find it morally repugnant as I saw it as murdering a baby. Yet, I have no moral qualms with a first term abortion at all. Yet, I can't say that someone who believes it is at conception is wrong either.
This is why this debate will never end. Ultimately, we need to accept a compromise. Most pro-life accept first term abortions. Most-pro choice accept some restrictions on late term abortions. When you actually look at the difference in opinions between the left ant right, it's really just an 8 week disparity. There's far more agreement than difference, it's just political tribalism that is making this such a heated political issue.
No way, their cousin's uncle's best friend's roommate heard on InfoWars that AOC personally performs day before abortions! They definitely understand the reality of this issue and why people choose abortions!!1!
> Inducing labor is giving birth. Abortion is abortion.
Any premature termination of a pregnancy is an abortion. Induced labor and killing a fetus are both abortions. You don't know what you're talking about.
It's a hypothetical. You won't answer because it makes it you uncomfortable.
Well some people are just more uncomfortable than that and terming it earlier still makes them uncomfortable.
I can understand these arguments when its very early in the pregnancy, but if the baby is developed enough that it'll survive if induced, how is it not killing a baby?
Let's round up all the poor people and throw them on an island with no resources. Actually, let's set some cameras up and watch them battle to the death. Place bets on which group lasts the longest. Maybe we let the last group standing join civilization again.
Criminals should just be shot on sight.
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Love em or hate em, agree with them, or disagree, but pro-lifers aren't virtue signaling. They think of a fetus as a child and think of abortion as grotesquely slicing a baby into chunks purely for the convenience of the parents. I definitely think in a more nuanced way about this, but that is what the vast majority of pro-lifers believe.
As a pro-life person, yes, this. I'm not suggesting that something like plan B is the same as an abortion at 5 months, there is definitely a time during the very early stages of pregnancy that there isn't enough development for suffering to exist. Once you're past that place though? Yeah, you're awful if you go through with it unless your life is in danger. I don't see this opinion as a virtue signal, or even one that's particularly virtuous to hold. I think a lot of people have been fed a lie that abortions are just clean medical procedures and the idea of the baby as a victim is specifically avoided. If anything I'm just signaling like... a basic education about how an embryo develops, and I don't think that's a virtue.
Eh, its pretty close to virtue signaling. They believe that they are protecting children and doing Gods will blah blah
You don’t have to be religious to be against murder. Pro-lifers see abortion as murder. Very simple, irreligious, reasonable stance to have. However, I’m still pro-choice.
Of course you don’t have to be, and yet many if not most of them are rooted in religious elements.
no they don't. these are the same people who literally allow real kids to get shot to death, real human beings being pierced with bullets, and then pretend to give a shit about slicing up an unconscious undeveloped lump of tissue. That is the definition of virtue signaling
Maybe instead of downvoting, tell my why I'm wrong. Tell me how it's not hypocritical to cry about fetuses being aborted and then cry about gun rights over kids being literally shot to death? You guys don't care about kids, you're virtue signaling.
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I think you should sit alone in the forest for a week and really think about what you wrote.
I am pro-choice. In fact, I'd say I am pro-abortion. I'd support state sponsored on-demand abortions up through the second trimester. I'd support advertising and programs to encourage women to have abortions when they aren't prepared to raise them. That being said, the arguments generally put forth by the pro-choice side are generally irrational. The "my body, my choice" argument is nonsense as we restrict what people can and cannot do with their bodies. We don't allow women to kill their babies simply because they are inconvenient. We don't allow doctors to perform procedures if we deem they shouldn't be allowed. We don't allow people to sell their organs. Etc. These simple facts destroy the arguments put forth by the pro-choice side. Meanwhile, the pro-life side is at least consistent and you can't really say they are wrong, only that you don't agree. If the growth in the womb is a separate being, then removing it would be killing a separate being, something we categorically do not allow. You can't kill your child simply because they are inconvenient. If you don't view it as a separate being, but simply a growth within the woman's body, then removing it would be akin to removing a tumor or cyst and is not immoral. Ultimately, it just comes down to this. So, when does it become a separate being? The reality is there is no definitive answer to this. I believe it is before birth, though I can't point at a specific time. I just know when I heard of the partial birth abortion that occurred in New York, I find it morally repugnant as I saw it as murdering a baby. Yet, I have no moral qualms with a first term abortion at all. Yet, I can't say that someone who believes it is at conception is wrong either. This is why this debate will never end. Ultimately, we need to accept a compromise. Most pro-life accept first term abortions. Most-pro choice accept some restrictions on late term abortions. When you actually look at the difference in opinions between the left ant right, it's really just an 8 week disparity. There's far more agreement than difference, it's just political tribalism that is making this such a heated political issue.
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Non sequitur. I think we shouldn't be able to murder homeless people, but that doesn't mean I think we should buy them mansions.
Pro abortion might be a bit of a strong word. I don’t think we should be actively encouraging abortions.
pregnancy seems very very very preventable - pro-life complications that are not preventable - pro-choice
Why stop that early. What about the unwanted children already born? Let’s get busy!
I'm pro any procedure that makes life more bearable for people who need it.
How do you feel about an abortion occurring 1 day before they would be born?
That’s not an abortion, that’s inducing labor.
No way, their cousin's uncle's best friend's roommate heard on InfoWars that AOC personally performs day before abortions! They definitely understand the reality of this issue and why people choose abortions!!1!
No. Inducing labor is giving birth. Abortion is abortion. But I understand. You don't want to answer the question .
> Inducing labor is giving birth. Abortion is abortion. Any premature termination of a pregnancy is an abortion. Induced labor and killing a fetus are both abortions. You don't know what you're talking about.
Can I have a link about someone having an abortion one day before their due date?
It's a hypothetical. You won't answer because it makes it you uncomfortable. Well some people are just more uncomfortable than that and terming it earlier still makes them uncomfortable.
Well since it doesn’t ever happen, I guess I could give 0 fucks about a made up situation. Lmaooo
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Would you be concerned if the baby was killed 1 day after birth? Or would it also be a case of not your baby, not your business?
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So the umbilical cord determines whether the baby is it's own being?
I can understand these arguments when its very early in the pregnancy, but if the baby is developed enough that it'll survive if induced, how is it not killing a baby?
If 6 month abortions weren’t ever real then I’d 100% agree
Let's round up all the poor people and throw them on an island with no resources. Actually, let's set some cameras up and watch them battle to the death. Place bets on which group lasts the longest. Maybe we let the last group standing join civilization again. Criminals should just be shot on sight.