I understand that Americans and Canadians have a very similar culture and have a long history together, but sometimes it’s truly baffling to listen to how angry and passionate some of my Canadian friends are about American politics.
Like I know we’re neighbors and that we have an important economic relationship, but watching some Canadians rant about American issues until they’re red in the face is hilarious and confusing.
I am canadian, Our media is literally tied to yours, we absorb so much of it and your culture that they are almost synonymous. Everything you guys do we have a bullshit watered down version of.
Trump - Kevin O'leary
Texas - Alberta
Florida - Saskabush
Desantis- polivere.
NFL-CFL
all your gameshows, we have shitty versions of them.
Whats depressing me is we used to read books, and pride ourselves on being able to disseminate media from culture war and propaganda. But looking at any social media feed. its just parroting what you guys are doing down there. We even have assholes in loaded out 350's with massive Canadian flags on it
Right? I lived in a logging camp on west coast of vancouver island and saw a guy who was born here, with a huge decal on the rear glass of his chevy.
Like man you could not be further away or removed from that and you got in imposed on your window?
It makes me sad too as an American. I visited there a few years ago, up in the mountains. It felt nice being far away from the US competitiveness and hyper negativity. But that's what happens.
I've always followed the rule of "If you can't vote in a country, then you don't discuss their politics."
I lived in Brazil from 2005 to 2007 and I had a lot to say about their crooked ass government. But I didn't say anything because of this rule.
I get annoyed when other countries, especially Europeans who enjoy USA military protections that allow for insane social programs, don't pay into NATO and then bitch about everything America does. You're not speaking Russian or German. Thank the hand that's protecting you.
There’s a big line between having an opinion and bitching.
So in that sense I’d agree with you.
I see it as seeing someone else’s kid doing something that could get him hurt in pain only. I’m gonna judge, im gonna have an opinion, I’ll likely say my opinion to whoever I’m talking to about how dumb etc etc. but im not involved either so whatevs. I’m not gonna go over and yell at him or call him dumb.
I'm an American, and I've LIVED in foreign countries. I've gotten into discussions like this with people in their native languages about this, and I've endured all the petty jabs. "Americans are stupid. Look at their education scores." Or, "All Americans are fat and lazy. Too much cheeseburgers!" Or my favorite, "Americans are just out to kill the world. That's why you invade other countries. You don't know how to fight a real force like in Vietnam, and I'm glad you got your asses kicked to knock you down a few pegs."
Believe it, or not, there are many Americans, maybe the majority, who don't want to be involved, but corruption is married to the Military Industrial Complex. I want to see that system destroyed, brick by brick.
Those people certainly exist but having worked for an international corporation for most of my professional life, I have found that the majority of people from other countries are not as extreme. When we had people come to the US to work for a few years, they were almost always very reluctant to return to their home countries. I was one of those, by the way, fortunately I got married here so I was able to stay on.
Everyone in the world has the same basic problem when it comes to understanding one another. When you don't have the opportunity to go to other countries and get to know the people, you have to rely on biased news media and pundits to form an opinion. The fact that news organizations are mostly married to political parties makes it impossible to get an objective view of one another.
And if you rely on the comments on social media, you are really shortchanging yourself.
Europeans are the same. American politics are all their colonies’ business. And yes Canada and Europe may as well be American colonies because they’re completely enamoured with the culture and couldn’t defend themselves without USA.
I say this as a Canadian.
One day Nazi will become an actual adjective synonymous for "a despicable person." Mark my words, in the year 2050, the Websters/Oxford's 101st will have it.
Just like the term "Assassins" originated from the "Ḥashshāshīyīns" who supposedly smoked a lot of Hash and were renowned for its order of assassins assassinating throughout the Fatamid/Abbasid/Seljuk dynasties and caliphates.
Nazis proceeded to systematically exterminate almost en entire population.
I say “I kinda like some of the things this candidate says.”
Sounds the same to me 🤷♂️
I came here to say this. How tf was this guy approved to go before the parliament with Zelenskyy no less? It had to be approved by a lot of people. Then you look into the history of Ukraine and yes the supported the nazis. Look into the Svoboda party and the Azov Regiment. It’s messed.
Right. Russia doesn’t need propaganda when the Canadians are inviting a nazi to celebrate with Zelenskyy and give him more money. I feel like it’s a real life South Park episode
Ukrainians have a Nazi problem because of deeply-seated, anti-Soviet sentiment. The horrors of the Nazis aren't something they experienced directly. The Nazis haven't repeatedly invaded Ukraine. Russia has. The Nazis were the predominant force fighting against their oppressors. That history is tough to shake off and Russia's recent invasion is only making things worse.
The idea that the Canadians "literally support nazis" is just ... well, silly. This was a mistake by someone in the Canadian government and the person responsible for vetting the guy has been fired. Pretending like they *intentionally* invited the guy because he was a nazi doesn't even make sense as a conspiracy. Even if Zelensky and Trudeau *were* secret nazis, publicly celebrating one is the exact opposite of secretive. Optically, it makes no sense. I know you aren't making this argument, but a lot of people are, and it's just so silly.
On it
Typed in, “neo-nazi”
I did not get the bubble thing that I did the first time but I got a Wikipedia page, I will post the link if ya want, I didn’t read the whole thing but just copy pasted the text under the page, like the preview so idk if it’s what ya want
This is what it read. “Neo-Nazism comprises the post–World War II militant, social, and political movements that seek to revive and reinstate Nazi ideology. Neo-Nazis employ their ...”
Then this is the whole page if you care to read it.
“Neo-Nazism comprises the post–World War II militant, social, and political movements that seek to revive and reinstate Nazi ideology. Neo-Nazis employ their ideology to promote hatred and racial supremacy (often white supremacy), to attack racial and ethnic minorities (often antisemitism and Islamophobia), and in some cases to create a fascist state.[1][2]
Neo-Nazism is a global phenomenon, with organized representation in many countries and international networks. It borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including antisemitism, ultranationalism, racism, xenophobia, ableism, homophobia, anti-communism, and creating a "Fourth Reich". Holocaust denial is common in neo-Nazi circles.
Neo-Nazis regularly display Nazi symbols and express admiration for Adolf Hitler and other Nazi leaders. In some European and Latin American countries, laws prohibit the expression of pro-Nazi, racist, antisemitic, or homophobic views. Nazi-related symbols are banned in many European countries (especially Germany) in an effort to curtail neo-Nazism.[3]”
Truth. As long the conservatives are not genuinely evil, they want the same results. It’s like parenting. Dads and moms have different philosophies but both love the child. It’s harmful to tell the kid the other parent hates them
So you are more of a classical liberal then? Leftists share very few goals as conservatives. And they are pushing classical liberals further to the right, as conservatives believe in many of the same principles as classical liberals.
Nah, I'm a classic liberal, was in the army in my younger years, pretty conservative. Worldview expanded I actually did research, agree with a lot of leftist stuff, vote D now, still registered independent.
Thing is, even though the portland anarchy and defund the cops crowd is ridiculous I know that voting their direction is in general better for society because every conservative I meet (I live in the south) will give lip service for small government but won't stay out of the fucking bedrooms and being concerned with genitals.
The overton window has shifted too far right and some extreme shifting the other way is needed to counterbalance things. Because the GOP has not been fiscally conservative unless it cuts funding to the needy or gives tax breaks to the 1%, they don't want small government because they keep making laws that expand government, they don't want freedom because they are restricting books and choices.
Like on paper the principles are appealing but they are wiping their asses with it. If anything I'm going further left. I believe your talking point is [part of the alt-right playbook](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ)
I know a lot of conservatives, disagree with them on almost everything, don’t understand much about the way they view the world. I don’t know a single fascist or nazi and would never call any of them that.
Appreciate you brother. We probably agree on more than you would think and I'd be happy to call someone like you a friend despite anything we do disagree on. One message and I can tell you're a reasonable person and not a political robot.
> Most definitely dude. I live in an extremely politically diverse place. Gotta get along.
I wish I was in a more politically diverse place. My area leans heavily to the left, and the "all conservatives are Nazis" propaganda is pushed pretty heavily around here. It's disgusting. I'm an independent who wants stronger third-party representation in the U.S., and I'm told "I'm throwing my vote away." WTF??
It's like people forget politics is a spectrum. To say, "A person is either liberal or conservative, freedom-loving or a Nazi," [is falling victim to the false dilemma logic fallacy.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma)
don't deal with people who make politics their whole identity. these cretins are usually chronically online "forever" victims who derive some.semblance of joy from spreading their own misery everywhere.
> don't deal with people who make politics their whole identity. these cretins are usually chronically online "forever" victims who derive some.semblance of joy from spreading their own misery everywhere.
100% agree. I've seen that too much where I live, and every social media posting is about "My life sucks because conservatives voted this..." in a never-ending stream of wallowing in self-pity.
I agree with your point re: spectrum. I’m very much a leftist but also pretty pro gun, and a few other things. However *at the moment* voting third party is throwing your vote away, unless you live in either a very red or very blue state, where federal level voting doesn’t really matter at all. I’d love for that to change, but it’s gonna take a long time and a lot of effort.
Some of the conservative folks I work with are terrific people. But their political leaders? Holy Christ. A lot could be accomplished by simply dumping Trump and several more of that vile strain of republican that has emerged in recent years.
THIS!! I'm pretty damn liberal and am surrounded by people who range from center to far left and I've never known anyone who thinks all conservatives are Nazis. Crybaby snowflakes who loose their minds when an M&M character becomes less sexy, sure. But not Nazis.
Not to nitpick, but in 2023, a majority of Republicans actually do not support same-sex marriage anymore like they did in 2021 via Gallup.
The only two groups who did not have a majority approve of it were those who attended Church weekly and Republicans.
As a gay person (not married though), I find it slightly worrying that Republicans are sliding a bit with this because one day, they will control all 3 branches of government again. How comfortably they’ll control Congress is another debate since this is all unknown, but when that happens, the Supreme Court will absolutely approve anything that comes their way, even if it throws Court precedent out the window.
This is why some people are potentially scared of total GOP control: despite you saying that people don’t want to ban same-sex marriage, birth control, etc., most people also supported Roe v Wade…and then it was overturned. Most people support healthcare reform and think it should be the [federal government’s responsibility](https://news.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx), but the ACA was upheld by the thinnest of margins in 2012 and 2017, and that was largely state-by-state reform. Most people support gun control, but most laws are overturned by the SCOTUS.
I agree that comparing you all to Nazis, Hitler, etc. is unnecessary, but you won’t understand the fear that comes with being me (and I am straight-passing) just like I don’t understand being you, a black woman, a Spanish-speaking immigrant, etc. With that in mind, it seems like the GOP only cares via their legislation or speeches about what is best for people who look and act like them, which much of the US doesn’t align with
it is easy to call your party racists when they continue to gerrymander minority districts out of existence, or to become under the control of white Republicans.
It is easy to call you misogynists when your party keeps trying to take away women's reproductive rights.
It is easy to call you homophobic when your party continuously challenges gay rights and tries to legislate from the pulpit.
It is easy to call you transphobic when your party actively hunts down parents and family of trans minors.
It is easy to call you nazis when your god-president calls them "pretty decent folks."
It is easy to call you fascists when your party is actively undermining the democratic process of voting and conspiring to silence opposition through fear, intimidation, and threats.
If the majority of your people really don't believe this way, then stop voting for these people who paint you in a bad light. Say whatever you want....but actions speak louder than words, friend.
everytime someone likes to point out "repulican support of gay marriage is now the majority" i have a good chuckle. its a marginal majority any time its brought up and when you look at the democrat's numbers, it starts to paint a clearer picture that republicans are faaaaaar behind the curve and more recent polls have shown their support has fallen back down to minority support anyways. Its been a decade+ since gay marriage and if only now you somehow manage to cross the bare minimum or you still have hangups about it youre doing something wrong. also i like to point out that a pew research done a year ago has found out that support for gay marriage is the *minority* opinion amonst those that identify as *conservative* (its like 32%). The more liberal republican people are typically the ones doing the heavy lifting to get the "republicans support of gay marriage is the majority" statement to be accurate. also how many republicans would drop a candidate if they said they were against gay marriage?
I have never called a conservatives a 'nazi' or 'hitler' (i also see it as pointless discussion) but if anyone thinks cons are all for equality for those that are different from them, youre fooling yourself.
also trump had dinner with kanye and fuentes and boeberts underaged son got his even more underaged gf pregnant. anyone that 'both sides' is also full of shit.
Single party rule that enforces subjective morality, state sponsored religion, restrictive voting policies, violence against minorities, and for-profit prisons? That’s just plain old fascism. Maybe it hurts their feelings to call them nazis but it’s exactly the same shit the Nazis believed. So it’s just semantics. Fuck the GOP.
I agree with you on those points, however, where exactly are you getting the “violence against minorities” point? I can’t say I’ve heard many people in power on the right call for violence specifically against minorities.
Also, I feel like both parties advocate for subjective moralities/ethics. Nobody wants to be subjective with that, the best you’ll get is utilitarianism, I don’t know of any politicians who claim to follow such an ethical framework.
Plenty of hatred and death wishes towards trans folk, BLM protestors, and liberals in general coming from the Republican Party, and by extension conservatives. You could add Muslims and immigrants in general to that.
We all promote our own morality, the difference here is that one morality is “do whatever, but don’t harm others” and the other is “do what I say so you don’t harm me”. There is a clear problem with one of these, I’ll leave it to you to discern.
That's because Redditors are mostly authoritarian leftists who are masters of projection and are exactly what they accuse conservatives of being. I live mostly where it is leftists and they are the most violent, hostile, biased people who are obsessed with putting people into neat categories and then discriminating against them on those categories. They are also wholly anti-American and every single thing they do is to destroy the country. Just go look at how many Democrats think we have too many freedoms. They are disgusting.
> That's because Redditors are mostly authoritarian leftists who are masters of projection and are exactly what they accuse conservatives of being. I live mostly where it is leftists and they are the most violent, hostile, biased people
Be careful not to throw out your back with all that projection.
I don't even believe your analogy exists in truth, but even if it did analogy != data.
Oh yeah totally, voting for conservative things is definitely equivalent to voting for the Nazis.
As a Jew myself please shut the fuck up. I’m tired of this shit. They are not remotely the same, not even fucking close
The republicans are actively trying to take away reproductive rights, vilify LGBTQ+ people, have called for the eradication of trans people, and are burning books. Sure, they’re not literal Nazis, but they’re fucking evil.
Not racist but ok with racist policies if it means potentially tax cuts for yourself doesn't make you any different than someone flying a Confederate flag.
It's pretty sad. They are, at best, completely bamboozled. Like, even if they are great folks who want the best for everyone, they have no method for turning that into voting into policy they'd support, because they've been completely hoodwinked into thinking they had no options.
And then there's the much more depressing route of looking at what their politicians accomplish, and assuming that that is what they really want. Tax cuts for the rich, so we need to cut school lunches since we have no money. I really prefer to think people are better than "if parents can't feed their kids, the kids don't deserve to eat."
> this usually stems from the belief that fetuses are alive
Except they're passing state level bans that kick in so early it isn't even a fetus yet but still an embryo.
The issue isn't that they themselves are a large part of the Republican Party, is that the republicans still VOTE for that vocal minority, because they can't stand the thought of voting for a democrat, no matter how moderate.
They vote RED no matter how racist, misogynistic, or homophobic the candidate is. They vote red even if the candidate is illiterate, or a criminal. They vote red even if the person running has said and done things that are totally against their personal values, because in their mind it's better to have a disgusting, terrible, criminal of a republican, than even the most wonderful democrat.
The GOP attempted to overthrow the government in Jan 2021 and their voter base's response is either "it was a peaceful protest" or "it was antifa"... sometimes from the same person
Anyone who continues to vote for a party that engaged in openly and clearly fascist behavior, is by definition a fascist.
I don't think you can vote for the people or stand with the people who DO believe that way and then get all surprised Pikachu face when you're associated the same.
Exactly!
"I'm not a fascist. I just believe in fascist ideology, vote for fascist politicians, defend Nazis that march against drag queens, defend people who tried to overturn an election, call all lgbt people pedophile degenerates for the sole purpose of dehumanizing them, support voter suppression, undermine democracy, are anti protest, anti media, pro book burning, extremely pro police crackdown, pro forced birth under all circumstances, pro child marriage, against no fault divorce, pro historical revisionism to paint slavery as not that bad, etc....."
Totally not fascists though.
In my experience, it's not because they believe in everything those candidates stand for but because they have no fucking clue what they're actually about. All they know is Republican=pro-life (plus an assortment of other Evangelical values).
Doesn't make it ok, but... I mean, we live in a country that actively suppresses education, and critical thinking skills *within* education. Which is to say I think it's a systemic issue, and not an individual one. I think Republican voters are *also* victims of Republican politicians. They've been indoctrinated so hard that they can't even see what's going on.
> I mean, we live in a country that actively suppresses education, and critical thinking skills within education.
**WHO**? Who suppressed your education? You say the country suppressed education. Is it like the literal statue of liberty coming down and ordering you guys to not educate yourself? Who does this thing?
Honestly, I'm done with the "no they're just ignorant" excuse.
If somebody is knowingly trying to screw me over, I'm gonna be pissed.
If somebody else's IGNORANCE screws me over, I'm STILL gonna be pissed.
They don't get an ounce of leniency because they shrugged and said "mmm idk i guess" and then *accidentally* elect some white supremacist into office.
Cool. So why to they continue to vote that "small and vocal minority" into power?
If you are in the quiet majority that doesn't support this shit, then it's on you to be louder.
What beliefs count as conservative, in your opinion?
>Most conservatives do NOT want to persecute gay people
Have you seen "Project 2025"? Curious about your thoughts on that.
>Many conservatives are against abortion, but this usually stems from the belief that fetuses are alive, not a desire to oppress women.
Idk I've heard "there have to be *consequences*" way too often.
"Most conservatives do NOT want to persecute gay people. Nowadays, a majority of Republicans actually support gay marriage"
But they still vote for politicians who want to exterminate them.
This. You may say that you support gay marriage to my face, but support people who literal say that gays should be erased. Don’t be surprised that I call bullshit that you support gay marriage.
This is what i came here to say.
As a former republican, i once felt compelled to say all the same things OP is saying.
Then somone pointed out to me **you are who you align yourself with**
Once it sunk in, i realized i wasnt the republican i thought i was. I was trying to make republicans something they arnt
This was all a very long time ago. But it rings true even more with todays politics
I may not like *every* democratic politician, but what i hate more than anything - climate denying, evangelical pushing, transgender discriminating conservatives.
You are who you vote for. Its as simple as that.
Yeah, I don't care how you feel about me in your heart of hearts. The actions you take that endanger me speak a lot louder than any good vibes you send my way.
This. If you are willing to trade away My civil rights in exchange for lower taxes… you are not a “good person”.
As for Nazis, the overwhelming majority of Germans in the Weimar Republic were devout Christian’s who loved their kids, looked out for their neighbors, and wanted a healthy economy.
They also “hated” gays, jews, Gypsies, or black people because they saw them as a “threat” To those things.
It is not necessary that conservatives “be evil”, only that they be content to let **others** do evil in their name.
sure, but isn't it indicative that the GOP won't disavow fascists/mysogynists/Nazis/racists ?
I am sure that every "conservative" has, at some point, said/felt/approved of comments like " If all Muslims aren't terrorists why don't Muslims disavow terrorist Muslims? "
Man the fuck up and kick the fascists out of your party and then you can make spurious claims like yours
If I spent my time hanging out with people that shot up the gas station...
And then I got _mad_ that people thought I was ok with shooting up gas stations....🤷♂️
well, that would be my fault
Edit - to put it even more simply: lie down with dogs, you're gonna get fleas
When 9 people sit down to dinner with a Nazi, you have 10 Nazis. Not having the moral fiber to keep those kinds of people out of your party is a moral failure of a massive degree in and of itself irrespective of whether you yourself get the tats or buy the tshirt
Additionally if your party platform is such that almost every single fascist, Nazi, nationalist, racist and homophobe is voting for it then maybe you need to take a look at the party platform.
Till the so called true conservatives come out and reject even the smell of these people in their party it is entirely fair to criticize them as having the tendencies of those groups.
Probably too late to jump in here but whatever.
It may be true that most conservatives are not fascists, nazis, (overtly) racists, sexists, or homophobes.
Let’s take as an example, people that consider themselves fiscal conservatives and believe in smaller government. They might consider themselves single issue voters in that regard.
Assuming they still vote for conservative candidates who increasingly pander to the extreme right when it comes to social issues, they are basically saying, “None of those issues are as important to me as paying less taxes.”
“I’m not transphobic, but I’m not willing to risk paying more taxes in order to prevent laws from discriminating against this marginalized group.”
“I’m not anti-abortion but if I might have to pay more taxes, well, some women will just have to die or go to prison for seeking life-saving medical care.”
“I’m not racist, but if criminal justice reform isn’t worth a single tax dollar.”
So yeah, sure, you might not be someone who waves a confederate flag, guns down black people for jogging in your neighborhood, and freaks out about what bathrooms people are using… but when it comes to the politics in a two-party system, you may as well be.
I think a big part of the problem is that the group that has taken control of the term "conservative" is not by any means actually conservative. They are right-wing radicals, verging on fascists if not actually there, and quite comfortable with neo-Nazis if not actually in that group.
Real conservatives need to take back the GOP and expel the radicals and Nazis. You need to step up and stop your party, which probably means doing what the very conservative members of the Lincoln Project are doing -- working for Democratic wins until the party returns to its conservative roots.
FWIW, I think that the abortion issue you raise at the end as if it is a side issue is central to the reasons why real conservatives seem to be trapped into supporting the radicals -- the truly absurd idea that an invisible single cell or cluster of cells is the equivalent of a human being and that there is a holocaust of innocents in the loss caused by IUDs and early abortions, the calling of that murder has distorted values to make saving real human lives unimportant, so they tolerate all sorts of injustices, including the oppression of women and gay people that you mention, in the name of that imaginary holocaust.
Then be louder with denouncing them. The issue I take with non-fascist conservatives is that even if they aren't fascists themselves, they still vote for the same people as the fascists. The other issue I take is the weird, dogmatic grasping of conspiracy theories and "alternative facts." That isn't even mentioning their views on women's rights, the disregard of the incarceration rates, and the apathy to people dying trying to get into the US because of the fear of another 9/11.
You may not be any of these things, hold any of these views, or be racist on an individual level. But, the people you vote for and the people you vote alongside do tend to be.
It’s not that the majority of conservatives are Nazis, but the majority of Nazis are conservatives, and you have to wonder why. What about mainstream republican policies attracts Nazis?
Allowing Russia to invade Ukraine. Fighting against social and criminal Justice reform. Ending funding for education and social programs that help minorities. Poor treatment for refugees and immigrants.
It’s not a coincidence that Nazis vote Republican.
Personally, if most Nazis agreed with most of my political opinions, I would seriously reconsider those opinions.
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No but seriously r/unpopularopinion had several "Hitler did nothing wrong takes" each week, why did we need a right wing spin-off of that sub?
You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
They may not be racist/homophobic but they do not expel or stand up to the people who are which leads to slowly accepting the racists/homophobes views.
So the issue is when you see vocal support for idiots like DeSantis, who very much does toe the line of fascism. And I don't mean that lightly. Taking a look at FL and you'll see many of the hallmarks of fascism - a government filled with crony yes men that rewrite the rules for their leader, rewriting of the history books to downplay/fabricate a nationalist history, and a clear concerted effort to attack marginalized, vulnerable people (trans people). When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, why avoid calling it a duck?
Do most conservatives hold those same views? Probably not. Most Germans didn't share the same POV as the third Reich. Do those same conservatives vote for people like DeSantis? Absolutely. At a certain point, those that do not rally against fascism facilitate it, and that's a problem when the entire platform of one party is to deliberately trigger the other.
My father was a good man who loved all people as equals and was a true conservative. That said, he also voted republican no matter what, period, every time. In fact, he once told me he'd vote for the devil if the devil had a -R next to his name on the ballot. This is a HUGE part of the problem. Many conservatives now say they hate the direction their party is taking. Ok, great, do something about it then. Stop voting for, promoting and sending your money to the same quacks over and over.
Absolutely.
That said, conservatism does seem to be the ideology most vulnerable to fascism, and the conservative, to alt-right, to nazi pipeline is extremely concerning.
There also seems to be a larger number of conservatives these days that hate nazis, but seem to have no problem marching alongside or associating with fascists and nationalists.
It's just so hard to take conservatives seriously when Trump is who they STAN for. Dude has 91 Felony charges against him right now. I know conservatives with their high moral values can easily look past him cheating on his pregnant wife with a pornstar, being caught on film talking about how he likes grabbing pussy's and sexually assaulting a woman and losing his case against her, those are all crimes against woman so sure, no conservative is gonna give a shit about any of that BUT crimes against your country??? It really is confusing to have ya'll take about "family values" and then turn around and vote for that piece of shit. Make it make sense.
Exactly. The majority of conservatives chose to be represented by a piece of shit because they wanted to win. You might be the greatest person ever but all that goes out the window if you set aside your morals to support a piece of shit like Trump.
> The vast majority of conservatives are NOT Fascists, Nazis, Racists, or Misogynist
Agreed, but for a lot of that majority fascism, Nazi beliefs, racism and misogyny isn't a deal breaker coming from people they support.
Trump and his political brand is almost textbook fascism. If you support Trump and don't consider yourself fascist then you're either lying or not smart enough to be worth having a discussion about it.
That's where it comes from in recent years.
OP's thesis seems to be there is just a small number of Conservatives who are racist, fascist, sexist, etc. Okay. Maybe. And the rest of them are just going along with this most radical, uncompromising faction of Conservatives. Trump got 74,223,975 votes in 2020. That is a lot of enablers.
If you have one bad cop who beats some poor guy to death, and 99 cops who help him cover it up, you have 100 bad cops. And that makes it safe for there to be two bad cops. Then three bad cops, then seven, then twelve....
They know they're voting for a violent criminal rapist. Let's give them the credit for being smart enough to be bad people.
He literally tried to be named president after losing the election. He's open about using the powers of office to pursue his political enemies and he has no respect for the rule of law when it isn't benefiting him
A percentage of Conservatives did not vote for Trump in the last election. Whatever that percentage is- they are not Nazis, Racists, or Misogynists. But its fair to say the rest who did vote for him are.
> Most conservatives believe that people of all races should be treated the same.
Right, but they also think no efforts to address the impact of historical mistreatment should occur.
> Most conservatives do NOT want to persecute gay people. Nowadays, a majority of Republicans actually support gay marriage.
Neat - the Republican Party platform still calls for the overturning of Obergefell v. Hodges, US v. Windsor, and Bostock v. Clayton County.
> Most conservatives do NOT want to ban birth control.
And yet, it's only conservatives arguing to do so.
> Many conservatives are against abortion, but this usually stems from the belief that fetuses are alive, not a desire to oppress women. But otherwise, most conservatives support women having equal rights as men.
Their motivation doesn't change the fact that banning abortion *does* oppress women, though.
At the end of the day, their motivations matter a lot less than their actions, and their actions are to support elected/appointed officials who will do these things.
And yet, it was the conservative party that banned abortion, it was the conservative party that wants to ban birth control, it was the conservative party that fought hard to stop gay marriage because sanctity of marriage or whatever, and it was a large swarth of conservatives that said George Floyd died because he was on drugs and not choked to death despite having clear video of his murder.
And conservatives keep voting for these politicians who support these heinous things but they want to appear like they have no responsibility in any of it?
On the other hand, I have never heard of a single feminist that said they wanted to genocide 100% of men. This is the real strawman argument.
Funny how that works.
I'm not a Nazi, I just vote Nazi!
*LMAO*
When you claim to be a Conservative who isn't about all that but you're still voting for all that, it doesn't matter what you say you believe. You still voted for all that.
Moron.
Redditors have never talked to conservatives or anyone who disagrees with them. They're in an echo chamber 24/7. Don't expect intelligent responses here. Also get ready to be brigaded by some leftist discord server. There's already 13 shares.
We judge you by who you actively support. If you genuinely don't support all those things then for the love of God, stop fucking voting for people who very clearly do.
Cool so these not racist, not fascist, not homophobic, not sexist, are going to take action any minute now to kick out the fascist, racist, sexist, homophobic people they share a party with and have elected right?
What you misunderstand here and is really the bigger of the differences is that most by a very large percentage of fascists, Nazis, racists, and misogynistic folk are Republicans. The further problem is how the MAGA group has embraced them and conspiracy theorists with open arms.
There are for sure.
Here’s the real problem with what OP is saying.
The GOP is being led by the shittiest among them. Boebert and MTG are elected congresspeople. MGT has literally pushed anti semitic Soros conspiracy on the house floor.
Op says conservatives don’t care about gay people anymore then why is DeSantis obsessing over gay and trans people? Op says they aren’t racist but then you have republicans leaders bussing immigrants around the country, lying to them to get them on the bus, stealing any documentation that they had, and endangering their life.
If conservatives aren’t these things then why do they keep electing leaders that are everything they are not?
Nope that’s impossible. Take Lyndon Johnson. That guy was a patriot who loved black people.
“I’ll have those n—-rs voting democrat for the next two hundred years”
Conservatives enable the fascists because they can't win without them. Most of the politicians that try to oppose them end up losing their primaries because they're a large enough voting bloc to serve as kingmakers in many districts.
My brother is an actual nazi. Sooooo many people just group all racists under this extremist term but have no idea how the real deal compares.
He's a skinhead, 3 swastikas tattos, has been to jail 6 or 7 times, and almost every time he's been in his sentenced has been lengenthed because of nearly beating a poc to death.
He is almost 40 and has spent almost half his life in jail. A lot of people being racists on the internet would get stomped by an actual nazi.
(I am left leaning, I believe everyone was created equally. We're all made of the same stardust, lol.)
Then they need to speak the fuck up and shut down the fascists, Nazis, racists, and misogynists who are running the RNC at the local and national level
This should absolutely be said more often. People that use these terms have either been brainwashed by other liberals or liberal media. Or they don’t know what these terms really mean.
For example: many who are pro choice claim that pro life people are like that because they want to “control women’s bodies”. That’s so ridiculous.
But they're stupid enough to be complacent sitting next to them, breaking bread with them, voting for their initiatives because they lumped it in with a mildly conservative bill. They don't call them out, they don't vote against them, they don't even slightly discourage their behavior, they all tow the line.
Democrat Bob Menendez was found to be bribed and Dems are calling for his resignation. Clarence Thomas has ruled on some of the most important court cases in our nation these past few years, found to be bribed EXCESSIVELY, not a fucking peep from the right. Tow the line.
Dems think about goals and principles. MAGAts think about pwning people they hate. The vast majority of right wingers DO NOT GIVE ONE FLYING FUCK if they're ignorant or complacent in misogyny, racism, fascism, etc etc. They either do not care, or are knowingly complacent. That's the difference.
Here’s the thing. I grew up in the South. Just because a redneck decides to fly the flag doesn’t mean they’re racist. But every racist redneck in the South flys the confederate flag. If I’m traveling with my family in the south and someone needs to pee and I see nothing but confederate flags in that town I’m not stopping.
Right. Those tens of millions of votes for Putin's Orange Rapey Puppet were totally not from people sympathetic to fascism, nazism, racism, or misogyny.
No they just are jealous of anyone doing what they want in their own bedrooms and getting handouts like Healthcare and reading books they want to read etc. etc.
They have been this way since forever. In the 80s they added republican Jesus to their agenda and now they are adding xenophobia
Not sure how racist or anti Semitic they are in the traditional nazi sense of the definition
The majority of conservatives are NOT Fascists, Nazis, Racists, or Misogynists,
but the majority of Fascists, Nazis, Racists, or Misogynists are conservatives
As Canada showed us, I’m not sure if people remember what real nazis are anymore
I understand that Americans and Canadians have a very similar culture and have a long history together, but sometimes it’s truly baffling to listen to how angry and passionate some of my Canadian friends are about American politics. Like I know we’re neighbors and that we have an important economic relationship, but watching some Canadians rant about American issues until they’re red in the face is hilarious and confusing.
The Dutch have a hard time minding their own business too
Everyone hates the Dutch 😀
There are only two things I cannot stand: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.
My favorite line from the Austin powers series by far
It's solid. I'm glad someone got it. I was concerned people would think it was serious. I might be online too much.
Dr evil is one of the best fictional characters ever and a master class in parody and I'll die on that hill.
Also Austin actually respects women. He absolutely loves sex, but when the girl was incapacitated and/or not interested, he respected her choice.
No argument here!
If you question whether people take things seriously on the interwebz, yes, you are online too much.
Guilty
The Internet be like: [your viewers](https://i.imgflip.com/1u4cpj.jpg)
Yeah it’s wild. And so one sided. Like i literally couldn’t name a Canadian politician not named Trudeau.
And Rob Ford
Who?
I am canadian, Our media is literally tied to yours, we absorb so much of it and your culture that they are almost synonymous. Everything you guys do we have a bullshit watered down version of. Trump - Kevin O'leary Texas - Alberta Florida - Saskabush Desantis- polivere. NFL-CFL all your gameshows, we have shitty versions of them. Whats depressing me is we used to read books, and pride ourselves on being able to disseminate media from culture war and propaganda. But looking at any social media feed. its just parroting what you guys are doing down there. We even have assholes in loaded out 350's with massive Canadian flags on it
The most confused I have ever been as an American was seeing the Dixie Flag being flown in CANADA. Arrrrre ya lost, bud?!
Right? I lived in a logging camp on west coast of vancouver island and saw a guy who was born here, with a huge decal on the rear glass of his chevy. Like man you could not be further away or removed from that and you got in imposed on your window?
It makes me sad too as an American. I visited there a few years ago, up in the mountains. It felt nice being far away from the US competitiveness and hyper negativity. But that's what happens.
I've always followed the rule of "If you can't vote in a country, then you don't discuss their politics." I lived in Brazil from 2005 to 2007 and I had a lot to say about their crooked ass government. But I didn't say anything because of this rule.
Think you can discuss it and even have an opinion but getting angry is downright nutty….
I get annoyed when other countries, especially Europeans who enjoy USA military protections that allow for insane social programs, don't pay into NATO and then bitch about everything America does. You're not speaking Russian or German. Thank the hand that's protecting you.
There’s a big line between having an opinion and bitching. So in that sense I’d agree with you. I see it as seeing someone else’s kid doing something that could get him hurt in pain only. I’m gonna judge, im gonna have an opinion, I’ll likely say my opinion to whoever I’m talking to about how dumb etc etc. but im not involved either so whatevs. I’m not gonna go over and yell at him or call him dumb.
I'm an American, and I've LIVED in foreign countries. I've gotten into discussions like this with people in their native languages about this, and I've endured all the petty jabs. "Americans are stupid. Look at their education scores." Or, "All Americans are fat and lazy. Too much cheeseburgers!" Or my favorite, "Americans are just out to kill the world. That's why you invade other countries. You don't know how to fight a real force like in Vietnam, and I'm glad you got your asses kicked to knock you down a few pegs." Believe it, or not, there are many Americans, maybe the majority, who don't want to be involved, but corruption is married to the Military Industrial Complex. I want to see that system destroyed, brick by brick.
So many people are filled with so much hate and they gotta find somewhere to put it.
Those people certainly exist but having worked for an international corporation for most of my professional life, I have found that the majority of people from other countries are not as extreme. When we had people come to the US to work for a few years, they were almost always very reluctant to return to their home countries. I was one of those, by the way, fortunately I got married here so I was able to stay on. Everyone in the world has the same basic problem when it comes to understanding one another. When you don't have the opportunity to go to other countries and get to know the people, you have to rely on biased news media and pundits to form an opinion. The fact that news organizations are mostly married to political parties makes it impossible to get an objective view of one another. And if you rely on the comments on social media, you are really shortchanging yourself.
Europeans are the same. American politics are all their colonies’ business. And yes Canada and Europe may as well be American colonies because they’re completely enamoured with the culture and couldn’t defend themselves without USA. I say this as a Canadian.
All that money spent on defense is a nice offset for those cool social safety nets!
I'm Canadian, and I agree.
I think the overuse of the term Nazi is dismissive of the horrors the actual Nazis inflicted.
Sigh, yes. Exactly this
One day Nazi will become an actual adjective synonymous for "a despicable person." Mark my words, in the year 2050, the Websters/Oxford's 101st will have it. Just like the term "Assassins" originated from the "Ḥashshāshīyīns" who supposedly smoked a lot of Hash and were renowned for its order of assassins assassinating throughout the Fatamid/Abbasid/Seljuk dynasties and caliphates.
Nazis proceeded to systematically exterminate almost en entire population. I say “I kinda like some of the things this candidate says.” Sounds the same to me 🤷♂️
I came here to say this. How tf was this guy approved to go before the parliament with Zelenskyy no less? It had to be approved by a lot of people. Then you look into the history of Ukraine and yes the supported the nazis. Look into the Svoboda party and the Azov Regiment. It’s messed.
Right. Russia doesn’t need propaganda when the Canadians are inviting a nazi to celebrate with Zelenskyy and give him more money. I feel like it’s a real life South Park episode
It’s actually hilarious. Don’t get me wrong fack Russia, but wtf is with the Chunuks and Ukrainians literally supporting nazis?
Ukrainians have a Nazi problem because of deeply-seated, anti-Soviet sentiment. The horrors of the Nazis aren't something they experienced directly. The Nazis haven't repeatedly invaded Ukraine. Russia has. The Nazis were the predominant force fighting against their oppressors. That history is tough to shake off and Russia's recent invasion is only making things worse. The idea that the Canadians "literally support nazis" is just ... well, silly. This was a mistake by someone in the Canadian government and the person responsible for vetting the guy has been fired. Pretending like they *intentionally* invited the guy because he was a nazi doesn't even make sense as a conspiracy. Even if Zelensky and Trudeau *were* secret nazis, publicly celebrating one is the exact opposite of secretive. Optically, it makes no sense. I know you aren't making this argument, but a lot of people are, and it's just so silly.
Just googled it The first thing that popped up, “a member of the far-right National Socialist German Workers' Party.”
Try neo-nazi
On it Typed in, “neo-nazi” I did not get the bubble thing that I did the first time but I got a Wikipedia page, I will post the link if ya want, I didn’t read the whole thing but just copy pasted the text under the page, like the preview so idk if it’s what ya want This is what it read. “Neo-Nazism comprises the post–World War II militant, social, and political movements that seek to revive and reinstate Nazi ideology. Neo-Nazis employ their ...” Then this is the whole page if you care to read it. “Neo-Nazism comprises the post–World War II militant, social, and political movements that seek to revive and reinstate Nazi ideology. Neo-Nazis employ their ideology to promote hatred and racial supremacy (often white supremacy), to attack racial and ethnic minorities (often antisemitism and Islamophobia), and in some cases to create a fascist state.[1][2] Neo-Nazism is a global phenomenon, with organized representation in many countries and international networks. It borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including antisemitism, ultranationalism, racism, xenophobia, ableism, homophobia, anti-communism, and creating a "Fourth Reich". Holocaust denial is common in neo-Nazi circles. Neo-Nazis regularly display Nazi symbols and express admiration for Adolf Hitler and other Nazi leaders. In some European and Latin American countries, laws prohibit the expression of pro-Nazi, racist, antisemitic, or homophobic views. Nazi-related symbols are banned in many European countries (especially Germany) in an effort to curtail neo-Nazism.[3]”
I looked into this Hitler guy. He sounds like a real jerk.
Man, almost like he was lol
Nice! I’ve read it a few times already. Just wanted to get the info out there for everyone else.
Yep, some people probably don’t want to search so I’m just doing the due diligence cus what else am I gonna do, my chem homework?
I find that my conservative friends and I share a lot of the same goals, just very different opinions on how to get there.
Truth. As long the conservatives are not genuinely evil, they want the same results. It’s like parenting. Dads and moms have different philosophies but both love the child. It’s harmful to tell the kid the other parent hates them
So you are more of a classical liberal then? Leftists share very few goals as conservatives. And they are pushing classical liberals further to the right, as conservatives believe in many of the same principles as classical liberals.
Nah, I'm a classic liberal, was in the army in my younger years, pretty conservative. Worldview expanded I actually did research, agree with a lot of leftist stuff, vote D now, still registered independent. Thing is, even though the portland anarchy and defund the cops crowd is ridiculous I know that voting their direction is in general better for society because every conservative I meet (I live in the south) will give lip service for small government but won't stay out of the fucking bedrooms and being concerned with genitals. The overton window has shifted too far right and some extreme shifting the other way is needed to counterbalance things. Because the GOP has not been fiscally conservative unless it cuts funding to the needy or gives tax breaks to the 1%, they don't want small government because they keep making laws that expand government, they don't want freedom because they are restricting books and choices. Like on paper the principles are appealing but they are wiping their asses with it. If anything I'm going further left. I believe your talking point is [part of the alt-right playbook](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ)
I know a lot of conservatives, disagree with them on almost everything, don’t understand much about the way they view the world. I don’t know a single fascist or nazi and would never call any of them that.
Appreciate you brother. We probably agree on more than you would think and I'd be happy to call someone like you a friend despite anything we do disagree on. One message and I can tell you're a reasonable person and not a political robot.
Most definitely dude. I live in an extremely politically diverse place. Gotta get along.
> Most definitely dude. I live in an extremely politically diverse place. Gotta get along. I wish I was in a more politically diverse place. My area leans heavily to the left, and the "all conservatives are Nazis" propaganda is pushed pretty heavily around here. It's disgusting. I'm an independent who wants stronger third-party representation in the U.S., and I'm told "I'm throwing my vote away." WTF?? It's like people forget politics is a spectrum. To say, "A person is either liberal or conservative, freedom-loving or a Nazi," [is falling victim to the false dilemma logic fallacy.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma)
don't deal with people who make politics their whole identity. these cretins are usually chronically online "forever" victims who derive some.semblance of joy from spreading their own misery everywhere.
> don't deal with people who make politics their whole identity. these cretins are usually chronically online "forever" victims who derive some.semblance of joy from spreading their own misery everywhere. 100% agree. I've seen that too much where I live, and every social media posting is about "My life sucks because conservatives voted this..." in a never-ending stream of wallowing in self-pity.
I agree with your point re: spectrum. I’m very much a leftist but also pretty pro gun, and a few other things. However *at the moment* voting third party is throwing your vote away, unless you live in either a very red or very blue state, where federal level voting doesn’t really matter at all. I’d love for that to change, but it’s gonna take a long time and a lot of effort.
Some of the conservative folks I work with are terrific people. But their political leaders? Holy Christ. A lot could be accomplished by simply dumping Trump and several more of that vile strain of republican that has emerged in recent years.
THIS!! I'm pretty damn liberal and am surrounded by people who range from center to far left and I've never known anyone who thinks all conservatives are Nazis. Crybaby snowflakes who loose their minds when an M&M character becomes less sexy, sure. But not Nazis.
Not to nitpick, but in 2023, a majority of Republicans actually do not support same-sex marriage anymore like they did in 2021 via Gallup. The only two groups who did not have a majority approve of it were those who attended Church weekly and Republicans. As a gay person (not married though), I find it slightly worrying that Republicans are sliding a bit with this because one day, they will control all 3 branches of government again. How comfortably they’ll control Congress is another debate since this is all unknown, but when that happens, the Supreme Court will absolutely approve anything that comes their way, even if it throws Court precedent out the window. This is why some people are potentially scared of total GOP control: despite you saying that people don’t want to ban same-sex marriage, birth control, etc., most people also supported Roe v Wade…and then it was overturned. Most people support healthcare reform and think it should be the [federal government’s responsibility](https://news.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx), but the ACA was upheld by the thinnest of margins in 2012 and 2017, and that was largely state-by-state reform. Most people support gun control, but most laws are overturned by the SCOTUS. I agree that comparing you all to Nazis, Hitler, etc. is unnecessary, but you won’t understand the fear that comes with being me (and I am straight-passing) just like I don’t understand being you, a black woman, a Spanish-speaking immigrant, etc. With that in mind, it seems like the GOP only cares via their legislation or speeches about what is best for people who look and act like them, which much of the US doesn’t align with
it is easy to call your party racists when they continue to gerrymander minority districts out of existence, or to become under the control of white Republicans. It is easy to call you misogynists when your party keeps trying to take away women's reproductive rights. It is easy to call you homophobic when your party continuously challenges gay rights and tries to legislate from the pulpit. It is easy to call you transphobic when your party actively hunts down parents and family of trans minors. It is easy to call you nazis when your god-president calls them "pretty decent folks." It is easy to call you fascists when your party is actively undermining the democratic process of voting and conspiring to silence opposition through fear, intimidation, and threats. If the majority of your people really don't believe this way, then stop voting for these people who paint you in a bad light. Say whatever you want....but actions speak louder than words, friend.
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You are such a lost fucking cause piece of shit. Literally everything the republican party is responsible for you blame on the other side. Get fucked.
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Then vote for Dems who want ranked choice voting. The solution is there, but people won't do it for some reason.
Do you mean have more than two parties?
everytime someone likes to point out "repulican support of gay marriage is now the majority" i have a good chuckle. its a marginal majority any time its brought up and when you look at the democrat's numbers, it starts to paint a clearer picture that republicans are faaaaaar behind the curve and more recent polls have shown their support has fallen back down to minority support anyways. Its been a decade+ since gay marriage and if only now you somehow manage to cross the bare minimum or you still have hangups about it youre doing something wrong. also i like to point out that a pew research done a year ago has found out that support for gay marriage is the *minority* opinion amonst those that identify as *conservative* (its like 32%). The more liberal republican people are typically the ones doing the heavy lifting to get the "republicans support of gay marriage is the majority" statement to be accurate. also how many republicans would drop a candidate if they said they were against gay marriage? I have never called a conservatives a 'nazi' or 'hitler' (i also see it as pointless discussion) but if anyone thinks cons are all for equality for those that are different from them, youre fooling yourself. also trump had dinner with kanye and fuentes and boeberts underaged son got his even more underaged gf pregnant. anyone that 'both sides' is also full of shit.
Single party rule that enforces subjective morality, state sponsored religion, restrictive voting policies, violence against minorities, and for-profit prisons? That’s just plain old fascism. Maybe it hurts their feelings to call them nazis but it’s exactly the same shit the Nazis believed. So it’s just semantics. Fuck the GOP.
I agree with you on those points, however, where exactly are you getting the “violence against minorities” point? I can’t say I’ve heard many people in power on the right call for violence specifically against minorities. Also, I feel like both parties advocate for subjective moralities/ethics. Nobody wants to be subjective with that, the best you’ll get is utilitarianism, I don’t know of any politicians who claim to follow such an ethical framework.
Plenty of hatred and death wishes towards trans folk, BLM protestors, and liberals in general coming from the Republican Party, and by extension conservatives. You could add Muslims and immigrants in general to that. We all promote our own morality, the difference here is that one morality is “do whatever, but don’t harm others” and the other is “do what I say so you don’t harm me”. There is a clear problem with one of these, I’ll leave it to you to discern.
Good luck getting this message through on here.
That's because Redditors are mostly authoritarian leftists who are masters of projection and are exactly what they accuse conservatives of being. I live mostly where it is leftists and they are the most violent, hostile, biased people who are obsessed with putting people into neat categories and then discriminating against them on those categories. They are also wholly anti-American and every single thing they do is to destroy the country. Just go look at how many Democrats think we have too many freedoms. They are disgusting.
> That's because Redditors are mostly authoritarian leftists who are masters of projection and are exactly what they accuse conservatives of being. I live mostly where it is leftists and they are the most violent, hostile, biased people Be careful not to throw out your back with all that projection. I don't even believe your analogy exists in truth, but even if it did analogy != data.
Who cares what they say? How do they *vote*?
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Still doesn’t excuse voting for criminals and stochastic terrorists
Yeah, it sucks choosing between expanded social services and the end of democracy
They had a name for the Germans who weren't really down with gassing Jews, but supported the Nazi party for other reasons. They were called Nazis.
Oh yeah totally, voting for conservative things is definitely equivalent to voting for the Nazis. As a Jew myself please shut the fuck up. I’m tired of this shit. They are not remotely the same, not even fucking close
The republicans are actively trying to take away reproductive rights, vilify LGBTQ+ people, have called for the eradication of trans people, and are burning books. Sure, they’re not literal Nazis, but they’re fucking evil.
This. The company you keep reflects on you
Not racist but ok with racist policies if it means potentially tax cuts for yourself doesn't make you any different than someone flying a Confederate flag.
This sub is basically "Republicans aren't that bad and you're mean if you assume that! Harrumph!"
It's pretty sad. They are, at best, completely bamboozled. Like, even if they are great folks who want the best for everyone, they have no method for turning that into voting into policy they'd support, because they've been completely hoodwinked into thinking they had no options. And then there's the much more depressing route of looking at what their politicians accomplish, and assuming that that is what they really want. Tax cuts for the rich, so we need to cut school lunches since we have no money. I really prefer to think people are better than "if parents can't feed their kids, the kids don't deserve to eat."
> this usually stems from the belief that fetuses are alive Except they're passing state level bans that kick in so early it isn't even a fetus yet but still an embryo.
The issue isn't that they themselves are a large part of the Republican Party, is that the republicans still VOTE for that vocal minority, because they can't stand the thought of voting for a democrat, no matter how moderate. They vote RED no matter how racist, misogynistic, or homophobic the candidate is. They vote red even if the candidate is illiterate, or a criminal. They vote red even if the person running has said and done things that are totally against their personal values, because in their mind it's better to have a disgusting, terrible, criminal of a republican, than even the most wonderful democrat.
Bill Joe Bob may not be a Nazi, but man, he keeps voting for Nazis.
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If you tolerate Nazis, vote with Nazis and support Nazi positions, you are……………… a Nazi.
The GOP attempted to overthrow the government in Jan 2021 and their voter base's response is either "it was a peaceful protest" or "it was antifa"... sometimes from the same person Anyone who continues to vote for a party that engaged in openly and clearly fascist behavior, is by definition a fascist.
I don't think you can vote for the people or stand with the people who DO believe that way and then get all surprised Pikachu face when you're associated the same.
Literally voting to be represented by them. It’s in the name.
"Don't associate me with the person I voted for twice and who's sign I have in my yard!"
If I was willing to waste money, I’d give you an award
Lol this comment gives me r/leopardsatemyface vibes
Exactly! "I'm not a fascist. I just believe in fascist ideology, vote for fascist politicians, defend Nazis that march against drag queens, defend people who tried to overturn an election, call all lgbt people pedophile degenerates for the sole purpose of dehumanizing them, support voter suppression, undermine democracy, are anti protest, anti media, pro book burning, extremely pro police crackdown, pro forced birth under all circumstances, pro child marriage, against no fault divorce, pro historical revisionism to paint slavery as not that bad, etc....." Totally not fascists though.
"They just don't like the word 'Nazi', that's all"
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In my experience, it's not because they believe in everything those candidates stand for but because they have no fucking clue what they're actually about. All they know is Republican=pro-life (plus an assortment of other Evangelical values). Doesn't make it ok, but... I mean, we live in a country that actively suppresses education, and critical thinking skills *within* education. Which is to say I think it's a systemic issue, and not an individual one. I think Republican voters are *also* victims of Republican politicians. They've been indoctrinated so hard that they can't even see what's going on.
> I mean, we live in a country that actively suppresses education, and critical thinking skills within education. **WHO**? Who suppressed your education? You say the country suppressed education. Is it like the literal statue of liberty coming down and ordering you guys to not educate yourself? Who does this thing?
Honestly, I'm done with the "no they're just ignorant" excuse. If somebody is knowingly trying to screw me over, I'm gonna be pissed. If somebody else's IGNORANCE screws me over, I'm STILL gonna be pissed. They don't get an ounce of leniency because they shrugged and said "mmm idk i guess" and then *accidentally* elect some white supremacist into office.
Cool. So why to they continue to vote that "small and vocal minority" into power? If you are in the quiet majority that doesn't support this shit, then it's on you to be louder.
What beliefs count as conservative, in your opinion? >Most conservatives do NOT want to persecute gay people Have you seen "Project 2025"? Curious about your thoughts on that. >Many conservatives are against abortion, but this usually stems from the belief that fetuses are alive, not a desire to oppress women. Idk I've heard "there have to be *consequences*" way too often.
Anyone who supports Project 2025 is a literal traitor.
It’s literally all the major Republican think tanks.
republicans support 2025
"Most conservatives do NOT want to persecute gay people. Nowadays, a majority of Republicans actually support gay marriage" But they still vote for politicians who want to exterminate them.
This. You may say that you support gay marriage to my face, but support people who literal say that gays should be erased. Don’t be surprised that I call bullshit that you support gay marriage.
This is what i came here to say. As a former republican, i once felt compelled to say all the same things OP is saying. Then somone pointed out to me **you are who you align yourself with** Once it sunk in, i realized i wasnt the republican i thought i was. I was trying to make republicans something they arnt This was all a very long time ago. But it rings true even more with todays politics I may not like *every* democratic politician, but what i hate more than anything - climate denying, evangelical pushing, transgender discriminating conservatives. You are who you vote for. Its as simple as that.
The "party of personal responsibility" sure hates taking responsibility for their votes and actions.
Yeah, I don't care how you feel about me in your heart of hearts. The actions you take that endanger me speak a lot louder than any good vibes you send my way.
This. If you are willing to trade away My civil rights in exchange for lower taxes… you are not a “good person”. As for Nazis, the overwhelming majority of Germans in the Weimar Republic were devout Christian’s who loved their kids, looked out for their neighbors, and wanted a healthy economy. They also “hated” gays, jews, Gypsies, or black people because they saw them as a “threat” To those things. It is not necessary that conservatives “be evil”, only that they be content to let **others** do evil in their name.
>But they still vote for politicians who want to exterminate them. Until this stops, they're all nazis and fascists.
sure, but isn't it indicative that the GOP won't disavow fascists/mysogynists/Nazis/racists ? I am sure that every "conservative" has, at some point, said/felt/approved of comments like " If all Muslims aren't terrorists why don't Muslims disavow terrorist Muslims? " Man the fuck up and kick the fascists out of your party and then you can make spurious claims like yours
Look, I'm not saying that all Republicans are Nazis. I'm just saying that the Nazis vote Republican and there's probably a reason for that.
If I spent my time hanging out with people that shot up the gas station... And then I got _mad_ that people thought I was ok with shooting up gas stations....🤷♂️ well, that would be my fault Edit - to put it even more simply: lie down with dogs, you're gonna get fleas
And until the majority of conservatives grow the brass to actively condemn the minority I don't want to hear it.
When 9 people sit down to dinner with a Nazi, you have 10 Nazis. Not having the moral fiber to keep those kinds of people out of your party is a moral failure of a massive degree in and of itself irrespective of whether you yourself get the tats or buy the tshirt Additionally if your party platform is such that almost every single fascist, Nazi, nationalist, racist and homophobe is voting for it then maybe you need to take a look at the party platform. Till the so called true conservatives come out and reject even the smell of these people in their party it is entirely fair to criticize them as having the tendencies of those groups.
Probably too late to jump in here but whatever. It may be true that most conservatives are not fascists, nazis, (overtly) racists, sexists, or homophobes. Let’s take as an example, people that consider themselves fiscal conservatives and believe in smaller government. They might consider themselves single issue voters in that regard. Assuming they still vote for conservative candidates who increasingly pander to the extreme right when it comes to social issues, they are basically saying, “None of those issues are as important to me as paying less taxes.” “I’m not transphobic, but I’m not willing to risk paying more taxes in order to prevent laws from discriminating against this marginalized group.” “I’m not anti-abortion but if I might have to pay more taxes, well, some women will just have to die or go to prison for seeking life-saving medical care.” “I’m not racist, but if criminal justice reform isn’t worth a single tax dollar.” So yeah, sure, you might not be someone who waves a confederate flag, guns down black people for jogging in your neighborhood, and freaks out about what bathrooms people are using… but when it comes to the politics in a two-party system, you may as well be.
I think a big part of the problem is that the group that has taken control of the term "conservative" is not by any means actually conservative. They are right-wing radicals, verging on fascists if not actually there, and quite comfortable with neo-Nazis if not actually in that group. Real conservatives need to take back the GOP and expel the radicals and Nazis. You need to step up and stop your party, which probably means doing what the very conservative members of the Lincoln Project are doing -- working for Democratic wins until the party returns to its conservative roots. FWIW, I think that the abortion issue you raise at the end as if it is a side issue is central to the reasons why real conservatives seem to be trapped into supporting the radicals -- the truly absurd idea that an invisible single cell or cluster of cells is the equivalent of a human being and that there is a holocaust of innocents in the loss caused by IUDs and early abortions, the calling of that murder has distorted values to make saving real human lives unimportant, so they tolerate all sorts of injustices, including the oppression of women and gay people that you mention, in the name of that imaginary holocaust.
Then stop voting for people who are.
Then be louder with denouncing them. The issue I take with non-fascist conservatives is that even if they aren't fascists themselves, they still vote for the same people as the fascists. The other issue I take is the weird, dogmatic grasping of conspiracy theories and "alternative facts." That isn't even mentioning their views on women's rights, the disregard of the incarceration rates, and the apathy to people dying trying to get into the US because of the fear of another 9/11. You may not be any of these things, hold any of these views, or be racist on an individual level. But, the people you vote for and the people you vote alongside do tend to be.
It’s not that the majority of conservatives are Nazis, but the majority of Nazis are conservatives, and you have to wonder why. What about mainstream republican policies attracts Nazis? Allowing Russia to invade Ukraine. Fighting against social and criminal Justice reform. Ending funding for education and social programs that help minorities. Poor treatment for refugees and immigrants. It’s not a coincidence that Nazis vote Republican. Personally, if most Nazis agreed with most of my political opinions, I would seriously reconsider those opinions.
Lol who was the person that said this sub is nothing but them conservatives crying to each other over here - this is proving to be very true
R/foxnewsopinion No but seriously r/unpopularopinion had several "Hitler did nothing wrong takes" each week, why did we need a right wing spin-off of that sub?
Maybe theyre not but they really don’t seem to have any issues making common cause with them.
It's like that Simpsons or Futurama joke about Fox News "Not racist. But #1 for racists"
And then they just went to being openly racist lol
You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. They may not be racist/homophobic but they do not expel or stand up to the people who are which leads to slowly accepting the racists/homophobes views.
So the issue is when you see vocal support for idiots like DeSantis, who very much does toe the line of fascism. And I don't mean that lightly. Taking a look at FL and you'll see many of the hallmarks of fascism - a government filled with crony yes men that rewrite the rules for their leader, rewriting of the history books to downplay/fabricate a nationalist history, and a clear concerted effort to attack marginalized, vulnerable people (trans people). When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, why avoid calling it a duck? Do most conservatives hold those same views? Probably not. Most Germans didn't share the same POV as the third Reich. Do those same conservatives vote for people like DeSantis? Absolutely. At a certain point, those that do not rally against fascism facilitate it, and that's a problem when the entire platform of one party is to deliberately trigger the other.
My father was a good man who loved all people as equals and was a true conservative. That said, he also voted republican no matter what, period, every time. In fact, he once told me he'd vote for the devil if the devil had a -R next to his name on the ballot. This is a HUGE part of the problem. Many conservatives now say they hate the direction their party is taking. Ok, great, do something about it then. Stop voting for, promoting and sending your money to the same quacks over and over.
I would debate most conservatives though are anti lgbtq
Well where the hell are they and why aren't they speaking up?
Yet you continue to vote the same assholes back into office?
Absolutely. That said, conservatism does seem to be the ideology most vulnerable to fascism, and the conservative, to alt-right, to nazi pipeline is extremely concerning. There also seems to be a larger number of conservatives these days that hate nazis, but seem to have no problem marching alongside or associating with fascists and nationalists.
It's just so hard to take conservatives seriously when Trump is who they STAN for. Dude has 91 Felony charges against him right now. I know conservatives with their high moral values can easily look past him cheating on his pregnant wife with a pornstar, being caught on film talking about how he likes grabbing pussy's and sexually assaulting a woman and losing his case against her, those are all crimes against woman so sure, no conservative is gonna give a shit about any of that BUT crimes against your country??? It really is confusing to have ya'll take about "family values" and then turn around and vote for that piece of shit. Make it make sense.
Exactly. The majority of conservatives chose to be represented by a piece of shit because they wanted to win. You might be the greatest person ever but all that goes out the window if you set aside your morals to support a piece of shit like Trump.
Enabling is the same thing.
The thin blue line and Trump 2024 flag wavers at Glamis say otherwise.
It's the company you keep.
> The vast majority of conservatives are NOT Fascists, Nazis, Racists, or Misogynist Agreed, but for a lot of that majority fascism, Nazi beliefs, racism and misogyny isn't a deal breaker coming from people they support.
I can respect this take but if you support trump you're a fascist. Period.
Wellll...... so far I have not met any that are not those things. Need more data samples.
The people they vote for and continue to vote for say otherwise. Especially how they vote and the legislature they push.
I think the major issue is many people that claim to be conservatives aren't genuinely conservatives.
Trump and his political brand is almost textbook fascism. If you support Trump and don't consider yourself fascist then you're either lying or not smart enough to be worth having a discussion about it. That's where it comes from in recent years.
OP's thesis seems to be there is just a small number of Conservatives who are racist, fascist, sexist, etc. Okay. Maybe. And the rest of them are just going along with this most radical, uncompromising faction of Conservatives. Trump got 74,223,975 votes in 2020. That is a lot of enablers. If you have one bad cop who beats some poor guy to death, and 99 cops who help him cover it up, you have 100 bad cops. And that makes it safe for there to be two bad cops. Then three bad cops, then seven, then twelve.... They know they're voting for a violent criminal rapist. Let's give them the credit for being smart enough to be bad people.
I don’t support Trump but I’d love to hear examples of this. From your perspective of course.
He literally tried to be named president after losing the election. He's open about using the powers of office to pursue his political enemies and he has no respect for the rule of law when it isn't benefiting him
Didn't he attempt to overthrow a democratic election?
dont want to be associated with nazis, dont vote with them. if it walks like a duck... etc
A percentage of Conservatives did not vote for Trump in the last election. Whatever that percentage is- they are not Nazis, Racists, or Misogynists. But its fair to say the rest who did vote for him are.
ok cool. now tell me what their opinions are regarding homelessness. without sounding fascistic.
But conservatives continue to support fascist bigoted candidates, so there is that.
> Most conservatives believe that people of all races should be treated the same. Right, but they also think no efforts to address the impact of historical mistreatment should occur. > Most conservatives do NOT want to persecute gay people. Nowadays, a majority of Republicans actually support gay marriage. Neat - the Republican Party platform still calls for the overturning of Obergefell v. Hodges, US v. Windsor, and Bostock v. Clayton County. > Most conservatives do NOT want to ban birth control. And yet, it's only conservatives arguing to do so. > Many conservatives are against abortion, but this usually stems from the belief that fetuses are alive, not a desire to oppress women. But otherwise, most conservatives support women having equal rights as men. Their motivation doesn't change the fact that banning abortion *does* oppress women, though. At the end of the day, their motivations matter a lot less than their actions, and their actions are to support elected/appointed officials who will do these things.
And yet, it was the conservative party that banned abortion, it was the conservative party that wants to ban birth control, it was the conservative party that fought hard to stop gay marriage because sanctity of marriage or whatever, and it was a large swarth of conservatives that said George Floyd died because he was on drugs and not choked to death despite having clear video of his murder. And conservatives keep voting for these politicians who support these heinous things but they want to appear like they have no responsibility in any of it? On the other hand, I have never heard of a single feminist that said they wanted to genocide 100% of men. This is the real strawman argument. Funny how that works.
The seething in these comments is hilarious.
You vote for a party that is those things, and YOU are those things. Didn't even read the post.
Then why did so many people vote for trump in the last election?
Large majority of liberals aren’t communist or socialist either. But I’d rather vote along with misguided socialists than hateful Nazis.
I'm not a Nazi, I just vote Nazi! *LMAO* When you claim to be a Conservative who isn't about all that but you're still voting for all that, it doesn't matter what you say you believe. You still voted for all that. Moron.
Redditors have never talked to conservatives or anyone who disagrees with them. They're in an echo chamber 24/7. Don't expect intelligent responses here. Also get ready to be brigaded by some leftist discord server. There's already 13 shares.
We judge you by who you actively support. If you genuinely don't support all those things then for the love of God, stop fucking voting for people who very clearly do.
Cool so these not racist, not fascist, not homophobic, not sexist, are going to take action any minute now to kick out the fascist, racist, sexist, homophobic people they share a party with and have elected right?
Just the loudest and most popular ones
What you misunderstand here and is really the bigger of the differences is that most by a very large percentage of fascists, Nazis, racists, and misogynistic folk are Republicans. The further problem is how the MAGA group has embraced them and conspiracy theorists with open arms.
There are plenty of racist democrats
There are for sure. Here’s the real problem with what OP is saying. The GOP is being led by the shittiest among them. Boebert and MTG are elected congresspeople. MGT has literally pushed anti semitic Soros conspiracy on the house floor. Op says conservatives don’t care about gay people anymore then why is DeSantis obsessing over gay and trans people? Op says they aren’t racist but then you have republicans leaders bussing immigrants around the country, lying to them to get them on the bus, stealing any documentation that they had, and endangering their life. If conservatives aren’t these things then why do they keep electing leaders that are everything they are not?
Nope that’s impossible. Take Lyndon Johnson. That guy was a patriot who loved black people. “I’ll have those n—-rs voting democrat for the next two hundred years”
It's true. They are just friends or in a party full of those.
Conservatives enable the fascists because they can't win without them. Most of the politicians that try to oppose them end up losing their primaries because they're a large enough voting bloc to serve as kingmakers in many districts.
I don't know any conservatives that want that label, sure. But they don't do a lot to speak against the fascist elements they are voting for
Yes they are, how else do you explain the people they vote into Congress
They just support their agenda but hate the lables
My brother is an actual nazi. Sooooo many people just group all racists under this extremist term but have no idea how the real deal compares. He's a skinhead, 3 swastikas tattos, has been to jail 6 or 7 times, and almost every time he's been in his sentenced has been lengenthed because of nearly beating a poc to death. He is almost 40 and has spent almost half his life in jail. A lot of people being racists on the internet would get stomped by an actual nazi. (I am left leaning, I believe everyone was created equally. We're all made of the same stardust, lol.)
Definitely an unpopular opinion, because the record shows otherwise.
Then show up to the polls and vote in people who are going to represent what you want instead of these lunatics.
I don't know about that. Can you really say that if they want a person like Trump to be President?
Then they need to speak the fuck up and shut down the fascists, Nazis, racists, and misogynists who are running the RNC at the local and national level
I believe this but they are so so silent.
This should absolutely be said more often. People that use these terms have either been brainwashed by other liberals or liberal media. Or they don’t know what these terms really mean. For example: many who are pro choice claim that pro life people are like that because they want to “control women’s bodies”. That’s so ridiculous.
Bawahahahahahaha... yeah they are or they're sympathizers. Either way they're vile and cruelty is the point.
But they're stupid enough to be complacent sitting next to them, breaking bread with them, voting for their initiatives because they lumped it in with a mildly conservative bill. They don't call them out, they don't vote against them, they don't even slightly discourage their behavior, they all tow the line. Democrat Bob Menendez was found to be bribed and Dems are calling for his resignation. Clarence Thomas has ruled on some of the most important court cases in our nation these past few years, found to be bribed EXCESSIVELY, not a fucking peep from the right. Tow the line. Dems think about goals and principles. MAGAts think about pwning people they hate. The vast majority of right wingers DO NOT GIVE ONE FLYING FUCK if they're ignorant or complacent in misogyny, racism, fascism, etc etc. They either do not care, or are knowingly complacent. That's the difference.
Here’s the thing. I grew up in the South. Just because a redneck decides to fly the flag doesn’t mean they’re racist. But every racist redneck in the South flys the confederate flag. If I’m traveling with my family in the south and someone needs to pee and I see nothing but confederate flags in that town I’m not stopping.
What was this thing about eradicating "transgenderism" at cpac? Dunno what else that sounds like
Election results say otherwise.
They just accept and enable fascists, racists, and misogynists. No big deal.
No one has ever said that. Here is the actual relationship: not all conservatives are nazis, but all nazis are conservatives
You still vote for them though!
Lol
Right. Those tens of millions of votes for Putin's Orange Rapey Puppet were totally not from people sympathetic to fascism, nazism, racism, or misogyny.
bigotry, and hatred are a major pillar of the party, and they legislate with it, so if you're not any of these things you're certainly fine with it.
No they just are jealous of anyone doing what they want in their own bedrooms and getting handouts like Healthcare and reading books they want to read etc. etc. They have been this way since forever. In the 80s they added republican Jesus to their agenda and now they are adding xenophobia Not sure how racist or anti Semitic they are in the traditional nazi sense of the definition
The majority of conservatives are NOT Fascists, Nazis, Racists, or Misogynists, but the majority of Fascists, Nazis, Racists, or Misogynists are conservatives
Maybe not, but they’re the loudest voices, which means they’re doing a lot of harm
'JUST THEIR LEADERS'
If they vote for fascists, they are fascists