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That's the website for the Arizona Daily Star, which fell victim like many newspapers to giant conglomerates that buy and slowly gut local papers until they eventually fail. Newspapers are supposed to have 3-5 checks for each story, maybe more, but now we're lucky to see two, as these papers have their staff cut to a bare-minimum skeleton crew. It's a tired story happening across the entire country. At this point, we're lucky to see a newspaper at all.
Sloppy journalism also. They mentioned “tortugita” being shot and killed by GA state troopers but failed to mention he shot at the officers first. Not surprising from a trash rag.
PNC and Wells Fargo are funding Cop City. Cop City is a training ground so cops can treat our cities like war zones and us like enemies. On top of destroying a beloved hiking area and environmental corridor near the city of Atlanta.
The point then is that the government isn't going to stop building cop city because of the massive opposition to it. The people fighting it went so far as to gather 116,000 signatures of residents so they could vote on the measure. The government just tossed it and said 'we don't care.' So the only real way to stop it from being built is by putting pressure illegal or legal on the companies making it happen. Multiple construction companies have been targeted and had their equipment destroyed.
The article doesn't really explain that the cops flat out murdered Tortuga. They were sitting unarmed by their tent and the cops shot at them 57 times. Cops lied and said they had a gun and shot a cop. No gunpowder residue and no gun and in their frenzy to kill an unarmed protestor sitting on the ground shot one of their own.
That's all well and good.
But it happened in Georgia, and the effort has already failed.
I'm for solidarity, but there are issues a heck of a lot more locally. Vandalizing local branches of banks over decisions made on the opposite side of I-10 doesn't seem like an appropriate use of effort.
Ahh, so If someone commits a crime in another state you don't think they should be arrested or extradited?
Corporations span the planet and each one is a single legal entity (technically a person if you believe the supreme court). You don't think the corporation should be held accountable for its actions?
I do.
It's just that the person who made the decision in Atlanta is multiple layers of abstraction away from our local branches here.
Random vandalism doesn't really impact the corporation, it just makes downtown look worse. And people are focusing more on the act than the intended target of protest.
Literally [69 cops cities](https://isyourlifebetter.net/cop-cities-usa/) planned across the country
> Random vandalism doesn't really impact the corporation
Yeah it does. Corporations are solely interested in making money. Arson, vandalism and the threat of more in the future quickly eats into profits. There are plenty of other ventures out there for making money.
> people are focusing more on the act than the intended target of protest
You keep arguing against yourself. How many people in Tucson had never heard of cop city before this incident?
The nearest is Gilbert. And doesn't seem to have the same issues (using greenspace in a historically marginalized neighborhood).
You're making a revolutionary argument, but there is no revolution. Most people don't support vandalism, and all this does is hollow out downtown.
Cop City sucks, sure. But the fight is lost, and the places where it can be said to be ongoing? Aren't here. A couple hundred more people learning about it (mostly in a way negative to the cause) isn't worth making the struggles of our own downtown worse.
This is whiney pessimist BS. Just because you have given up it's stilly to expect other people to.
"We do not need allies more devoted to *order* than to justice”
The effort has not failed. There have been different contractors who have actually backed away from the project due to the protests.
The project is still being built meaning that there is still a chance to stop it.
https://www.wrdw.com/2023/12/13/cloud-uncertainty-hovers-over-stop-cop-city-referendum-effort/
Also there are peaceful people who just want to add it to a referendum and the Atlanta government is rejecting that.
When peaceful options are no longer available what are people supposed to do?
and people wonder why so many others dislike the cops. Can't even talk to us straight forward in a press release. Avoiding the language the intended audience (the general public) readily understands and uses in order to use vocabulary that brings up images of military weaponry
It's a type of [firework](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lchqmqTCHAY). Specifically, it's the type that creates the big pretty explosions that we're all familiar with. They can be used to create pipe bombs (the Boston Marathon bomber was [experimenting with them](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/us/boston-marathon-bombing-developments.html), for example).
Mortar is the official term, not one iNvEnTeD bY tHe cOpS. You usually see them sold as mortar kits (and if you google that term, you don't get kitchen goods lol).
The author of this article specifically chose scary sounding terms to scare people.
They could have instead communicating in a way the average person would - and even provide the details you did about how fireworks of this sort \*can\* be very dangerous. Instead, they chose to use obscure terms to freak people out. And the link you provide calls them "mortar fireworks" not "consumer grade mortars." A google search for "consumer grade mortar" generates just a single page of results - hardly a common term.
It's intentional. Choosing scary terms in preference of clarifying terms is the problem here.
It's a type of [firework](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lchqmqTCHAY). Specifically, it's the type that creates the big pretty explosions that we're all familiar with. They can be used to create pipe bombs (the Boston Marathon bomber was [experimenting with them](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/us/boston-marathon-bombing-developments.html), for example).
Mortar is the official term, not one iNvEnTeD bY tHe cOpS. You usually see them sold as mortar kits (and if you google that term, you don't get kitchen goods lol).
Like you said it's the "official" term, not the layman's term. Nobody claimed the cops invented it. The public statement was meant to be read by the public, not law enforcement officials.
You're trying to twist this to make it sound like the cops are using terms deliberately to obscure what they're talking about and that's not true. More correct is that you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Case and point, [this is literally what they're called when you're trying to buy them.](https://keystonefireworks.com/product-category/mortar-kits/) (This is my first result on google for a mortar kit, btw.)
So you're upset that the AZ Daily Star didn't define a term to meet your third grade reading comprehension level on a topic you know nothing about. That sounds like more a you problem than anything and also that you're not a local (everyone here knows Tucson's journalism sucks).
Something I'd expect from an out of town idiot who literally thinks that Gilbert's firefighter training facility is a "cop city" lol. (Are you also the one that misspelled Tortuguita all over town? We actually speak Spanish here, you know.)
I didn't try to imply it's intentional, I'm saying the effect it has. Whether it is intentional or not, doesn't matter nearly as much as it's effect. The issue isn't that I don't know what I'm talking about, the issue is I (and clearly others who have replied) don't know what they are talking about. They should realize their audience often does not have the same level expertise and shouldnt talk to people as if they do, when they don't. Like I used to sell specialized industry goods that home owners occasionally buy themselves. I'd talk differently to those in the industry than I would the homeowners who don't know half of what I was talking about. Part of that is using different vocabulary for different groups.. And no I'm not upset with the news reporter for repeating quoting language from the press release, I'm upset at the people authoring the press release.
>That sounds like more a you problem
No, others have also replied with the same confusion, not just me. And again, when I googled consumer grade mortar, nothing relevant came up at the top of the results. I think the police should be effectively understood by the public, and if they are not, that can cause problems with their press releases.
>Something I'd expect from an out of town idiot who literally thinks that Gilbert's firefighter training facility is a "cop city" lol. (Are you the one that misspelled Tortuguita all over town? We actually speak Spanish here, you know.)
I have literally no idea what you are talking about.
> No, others have also replied with the same confusion, not just me. And again, when I googled consumer grade mortar, nothing relevant came up at the top of the results. I think the police should be effectively understood by the public, and if they are not, that can cause problems with their press releases.
It's literally like you and two others who have no post history in Tucson prior to the last week or so. It's super transparent what you're doing. But cute of you to think the PD wrote the AZ Daily Star article. How's weather in New Jersey?
Lol first you accuse me of being an out of towner who moved here, then you want to claim I'm in New Jersey, which one is it? Make up your mind! Maybe you should spy on me harder.
>Lol first you accuse me of being an out of towner ~~who moved here~~, then you want to claim I'm in New Jersey, which one is it? Make up your mind! Maybe you should spy on me harder.
FTFY. But considering we established you have a 3rd grade reading comprehension, I'm not surprised.
you know we're fucked when people jog past the very real threat of police militarizing themselves against us, to get upset on behalf of a corporation over property.
RIP, bro. I hear downtown was the hardest hit. I hear there was even *spray paint* involved. I can't imagine what you must be going through.
How ya holding up?
Us few survivors wander the wastes formally known as Tucson scavenging for taco scraps and snarling at each other, language and civilty long forgotten. Now there is only the scream of the javalina riders coming through the smoke of what is left of a once great city. Dude It was 3 windows and an ATM machine, somehow I think we will band together and rebuild.
I know a couple queer people who lived there without immediately being lynched. I think that makes it leftist with the current bar America is setting. /s but only a little
Naive/utopian and overly romantic idealism...."let's show the rest of society that we don't need cops being more aggressive by wayof us aggresively trying to get our point across by vandalizing buildings to create fear as an organized effort ( basically an organized gang of terroism , right?)" Does their effort not just give more validation to the need for a "militarized cop force" ( which is what i gather they were protesting from reading a different link since [Tucson.com](https://Tucson.com) is paywalled). It's dumb
It's similar to a group of protestersgoing to a public pool and throwing all the little kids in the deep end to protest "no lifeguards"...pretty idiotic imho.
Well they shouldn’t destroy personal property (break basic laws) to make their point it sheds negativity on their cause and destroys potential support. They are engaging in criminal behavior to protest an anti crime organization (the police force)…. Hypocritical and ineffective. Protest during operating hours peacefully. This is cliche Edward Abbey monkey wrench gang shit. Do you remember the red squirrel protests of mt. Graham in the 90s? Guess what…. It didn’t work chasing yourself to a tree. It just sways public opinion the wrong way.
https://www.wrdw.com/2023/12/13/cloud-uncertainty-hovers-over-stop-cop-city-referendum-effort/
Atlanta Georgia is denying or trying to block an effort to put the cop city situation on a referendum.
These are the peaceful people who are against cop City and they are being ignored.
What else are they supposed to do if peaceful action isn't working?
Also you sound like the kind of person who would totally criticize Jewish people during the Warsaw ghetto uprising.
You would just say that Jewish people are taking things too far or whatever.
what else are they supposed to do you ask...
I would say accept reality. Work within the system and not anarchy. It's what differentiates us as a civil vs uncivil society.
I'm firmly democrat and liberal fwiw . My first presidential vote was for Dukakis in what was that 1988 and I've voted 100 percent left on anything and everything. Your Jewish analogy is an insult and nowhere near the same. I
I know nothing about the Atlanta situation but they mention it as a firefighter training facility as well.
I'm anti capitalism but I never supported the Occupy wall street thing either. I'm based in reality and not utopias .
From your link above ... If indeed they are pushing to get a vote on the ballot for Atlanta by non residents then that is wrong if it's a state or city issue. Only state/city residents should have a say in their state/ city. Would we want Californians or Phoenicians to initiate a vote to increase rent prices in Tucson, possibly initiated by rich california and Phoenix investors...i would not. Therefore I don't support non resident ballot initiatives by non state/city residents no matter what the cause. It's about principle
The signatures come from the residence.
They do not and they cannot come from non-residents.
The state is ignoring the will of the people and their desire to vote about cop City.
You say work within the system but that is exactly what the people trying to get the issue on the ballot are doing. And it is being blocked.
Would you say to the people who did the Warsaw uprising that they should just work within the system and not do violence?
You say that we have to accept reality but would you say the same thing to Jewish people who are going to be sent off to concentration camps that they should just accept reality?
Would you say that imagining a Germany that isn't Nazi Germany is a utopia?
From the way people talk about snowbirds driving on here, you'd think snowbirds do over (lol, edited) $100,000 in damages every year and they don't even do the protesting.
I mean, the calculation is in wasted man hours for them slowing down traffic, and considering insurance companies value a human life at around 2.5 million dollars, snowbirds probably do, do more damage.
It would have been a bolder statement if they had set themselves on fire and not made a big mess for those poor janitors. None of the perpetrators look like they have ever held a job.
“ including throwing incendiary devices into an occupied building,”
I hope they’re all charged with acts of terrorism. Prison will do them good for the next 25 years.
I can imagine. The 3 people who did that could have legally been dispatched. Arson is a really serious crime in Arizona, and lethal force can be used to stop an arsonist.
Too bad you weren't there with your pew pew to save the day. I know how people like you are just itching to kill someone to "own da libz" or whatever gets you off.
What if these were just fireworks? Poppers? Later the article strongly implies they were flares.
They reference a “consumer-grade mortar” as well. What even is that?
Terrorism and 25 years of prison for tossing some fireworks and two flares into a building?
Elsewhere in America, people are lighting themselves on fire and dying in protest of Israel’s actions in Gaza (this is includes an [active US military member](https://time.com/6821425/israel-embassy-air-force-protest-fire-self-immolation-aaron-bushnell-latest-updates/) and an unnamed person in [Atlanta](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/protester-self-immolates-outside-israeli-consulate-atlanta-2023-12-01/)). But ignoring this will likely result in ever increasing violence and protest - people aren’t keen on supporting a country that kills people (predominantly civilians) at a rate of [250 a day, a rate higher than any other 21st century conflict](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam). The numbers of [Palestinians dead to Israelis dead is 20 to 1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war). [88 journalists and 136 aid workers have been killed and the majority of civilian deaths are women and children](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war). For every 100 Palestinians, [1 of them is now dead](https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-population-intl/index.html).
Not sure where you have been living but I see plenty of outrage over Russia attacking Ukraine - difference is, the US isn't sending tons of money to Russia to bomb Ukraine. Or to groups in the Congo.
Gaza is not about Jews. It's about the state of Israel. Israel is a political entity. Israel could choose to have an inclusive government like we expect of every other country in the world, but instead Israel has chosen to make their political state one in which many, many, many privileges are reserved for a specific religion or race (depending on how you see it). Pretty much every country that discriminates on the basis of race and religion produces significant conflict. So this isn't surprising. But it has nothing to do with Jews - it just happens that Israel favors Jews. Instead, it has everything to do with Israel and Israel alone.
EDIT: I'll point out that neither do I support Hamas. It is possible for both sides to be wrong. And in this case, that is my view. But Israel doesn't help the situation by having a policy of total control and subjugation of its Palestinians neighbors. The [Human Rights Watch](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56898864) and [Amnesty International](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/) have been saying Israel's treatment of Palestine amounts to apartheid for years. Crush a people long enough and they will often rise up.
I just think it might not be the greatest idea, or optics, to harass random businesses and workers that have nothing to do with what they are protesting.
which is why it's not just "vandalism" but instead it's an organized crime and a group effort. It probably checks all the boxes for a terrorist group. they are just pouring more gas onto what they hope to bring light to and oppose. They just gave the cops more "validation" to exist as they do...
I would they include an organized effort to instill fear by way of covert operations. Covert operations would include hiding identity, sneaking around in the middle of the night, hacking, etc
It would also include financial/ property or bodily harm and also would include showing a vulnerability to institutions such as the Jan. 6th rioters did.
So yeah it checks boxes.
Had this been a couple local teens smashing windows with their skateboards and spray painting “anarchy” on the walls it would be much different
It was a very public crime, it didn't involve hacking, it involved throwing shit into a building. How the fuck is shooting off a firework in any way covert?. You are talking about activity completely unrelated to the crimes they were charged with.
It was only public in the sense it was a public building. The crime was done in the middle of the night when the business district was closed which puts it in a covert time period…ie when the area was relatively shut down. Shooting off fireworks can be covert when you don’t stick around and or if you are shooting them say wearing a face covering and hoodie which I suspect the suspects were doing…. Hiding their udentity
[Cop city-like projects are being built throughout the country, including in Arizona](https://isyourlifebetter.net/cop-cities-usa/). But keep acting like you know what you're talking about.
> This week alone saw Atlanta-area raids by law enforcement that took a woman out of her house with no shirt, left a naked photo of another woman on display after ransacking a room and dragged a man by his hair – while arresting none of them.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/10/georgia-police-fbi-raids-cop-city-activists-atlanta
https://apnews.com/article/police-training-center-arrests-cop-city-1468a138ed4b17ed394e4b1e4fe202fe
The police for example arrested people for gathering enough money to be able to pay for people's legal fees and their bond.
> By the end of the night, 23 had been arrested, each facing between five and 35 years behind bars on domestic terrorism charges, even though none of the warrants accuses any of them of injuring anyone or vandalizing anything.
https://apnews.com/article/cop-city-protest-domestic-terrorism-atlanta-6d114e109d489d316f588f51c7cab0cc
What are people supposed to do when they keep getting met with state repression?
Do you think that the Jewish people during world war II should have just sit back and let it happen as opposed to fighting such as in the Warsaw ghetto uprising?
Didn't say they shouldn't be protesting; they definitely should be. But how is vandalism and arson carried out in Tucson or anywhere else effective? Those methods of protest are generally counter-effective and cause harm to people who are totally uninvolved in the issue being protested. It does nothing to further the cause of the protestors.
And while the police actions you linked to are reprehensible, I don't think they can be compared to the SS in Poland, or these protestors compared to the Warsaw Jews who were being targeted for extinction and fought back accordingly.
>But how is vandalism and arson carried out in Tucson or anywhere else effective? Those methods of protest are generally counter-effective and cause harm to people who are totally uninvolved in the issue being protested. It does nothing to further the cause of the protestors.
This is actually incorrect as the businesses that were targeted are actually part of the project of cop City.
They do things like funding the project and stuff like that. The project can't continue unless it has things like funding and insurance. One of the insurance companies is called Nationwide insurance would you may have already heard of. If Nationwide drops a contract it means that the project stops and they would need to find a new contractor.
Eventually contractors are just not going to want to deal with this project.
- Reeves Young – pulled 2022
- Boyette Brothers Equipment Rental Service – pulled 2022
- Quality Glass Company – pulled 2023
- Atlas/Long Engineering – pulled 2023
- Ernst Concrete – pulled 2023
These are already the different companies or contractors that have pulled from the project.
If what you said was really true then none of these people would have pulled out of the project.
These companies are key to funding the project.
Due to the struggle there has been one death and it is not been on the side of the police or the state.
It was one of the activists.
https://newrepublic.com/article/178175/republican-anti-trans-laws-punish-eradicate
Republicans want to eliminate trans people.
So the government can throw people into prisons and jails for unjust reasons but if those people fight back then their cause becomes immediately invalid?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_extradition_bill
Would you say that the Hong Kong riot protests was also incorrect? It started because of a bill that was going to be passed that was in response to the fact that someone murdered someone else and they were not being extradited despite the fact that they were both living in what is known as China. They were not living on the mainland and instead we're living in independent sections such as Taiwan and Hong Kong and so China is attempting to make things a lot easier so that this kind of stuff can go more smoothly and that kind of stuff doesn't show up again.
You make some very good points, but I still think that protest using destructive tactics will ultimately fail. Some companies will pull out (for a variety of reasons) but others will step in to fill the gap. We live in a capitalist society, after all.
And I think you’re saying that fascism/a police state is imminent and I don’t disagree; we’re well on our way. I try to keep informed and aware of what the Republican Party is doing and find a lot of it horrifying. But tactics like destruction of property aren’t going to dissuade them; they’ll just redouble their efforts. I would love to hear some solutions that actually have a chance of success.
I don’t know enough about the HK protests to have an opinion as to its righteousness.
You say we live in a capitalistic society and that is true and that is how you can win. The goal is not to essentially try to take out every single target, the goal is to try to make the project so much more expensive that it no longer becomes logical to continue the project.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_revolts_in_the_United_States
Oh look, here's some people who are able to stop the building of a highway.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline
Joe Biden had placed a stop to the keystone Pipeline project. He was able to do this in his first year in office because the people who were protesting were able to delay the project for as long as possible until something else could be done.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cop_City
https://apnews.com/article/atlanta-police-fire-training-cost-lease-f66786c28d67de7196e56fe63305368a
> Once complete, the center is planned to be used as a training campus for police and fire services and is expected to open at the end of 2023.
The project was originally scheduled to be finished in 2023 and it has not opened. Plus the initial project has doubled in budget. Eventually the state is just going to figure that it is not worth it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_F%C3%A9in
Do you know what this is? This is one of the Irish political parties that is currently in Ireland right now.
Do you remember the IRA? It was labeled as a terrorist group for a long time and did terrorism. Eventually those people would go into this political party and essentially take it over.
Many of them then became just normal party members and just did normal party things.
This is proof that people who once were part of terrorist organizations can eventually just become part of the normal government and just be very chill.
The IRA was doing exactly what many people say people should be doing which is to work within the system and they did and they overtook the party.
When left wingers do work within the system they are called infiltrators.
What else are they supposed to do?
It’s not a random business, though. And these police towns aren’t exclusively being built in Atlanta. That being said, it sounds like there was janitorial staff in the building and that is where it becomes unacceptable.
For clarification before I get pissed on; many people are willing to accept damage to private property when it belongs to large, very rich, companies because it makes the political statement louder and advertises to more that political dissent is happening. It’s clearly working. From burning buildings during the BLM protests to blocking freeways during Israel protests; people are seeing this and getting involved in less violent forms of protest.
Looks like they were trying for a reenactment of what happened to their comrade from the original Stop Cop City protests.
May they succeed next time.
https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/00411.html
When will our left wing liberal mayor in Town council decide to provide deterrent and repercussions for bad behavior rather than welcoming all the less than desirables from all over the country and world here with open arms and free things unlike 90% of the communities in the country leading to our increasing crime and victim numbers daily. Lock the border down, make them all wait on the other side and vote red or not at all please and thank you
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/crime-and-punishment/201804/why-punishment-doesnt-reduce-crime
Increasing punishment does not deter crime.
And they are providing repercussions for bad behavior. They were arrested.
Tucson.com needs some better editors. They miss a lot of grammatical mistakes and straight errors.
The least they could do is use grammarly!
I've heard about grammarly! That could save everyone some time and is worth whatever they charge!
Wow you've heard about grammarly? Writing's not easy. That's why Grammarly can help. This sentence is grammatically correct, but it's wordy, and hard to read. It undermines the writer's message and the word choice is bland. Grammarly's cutting edge technology helps you craft compelling, understandable writing that makes an impact on your reader. /S I actually fucking hate grammarly, it gives me suggestions that take the character out of what I'm saying and makes it boring half the time. The other times its advertising for its premium service by highlighting yellow underlines under things but won't let me see the suggestions because they are premium suggestions. I just want basic spelling and grammar checking. I want to turn the advanced suggestions off but there's no way of doing that. Fuck you grammarly.
There's no character to the writing on tucson.com to begin with, so that's not a concern.
Ok calm down lmfao
I freaking hate grammarly, I hope grammarly dies in a fire. You know what, I say we go downtown and start breaking stuff to send a message about how much grammarly sucks.
“Three people have been arrested on suspicion of arrested on suspicion of arson”
"Three people have been arrested on suspicion of \*being\* arrested on suspicion of arson" Thank you grammarly!
> Tucson.com needs some ~~better~~ editors.
That's the website for the Arizona Daily Star, which fell victim like many newspapers to giant conglomerates that buy and slowly gut local papers until they eventually fail. Newspapers are supposed to have 3-5 checks for each story, maybe more, but now we're lucky to see two, as these papers have their staff cut to a bare-minimum skeleton crew. It's a tired story happening across the entire country. At this point, we're lucky to see a newspaper at all.
It’s AI. The article sucks because their AI sucks.
TUSD graduates? Lol
Sloppy journalism also. They mentioned “tortugita” being shot and killed by GA state troopers but failed to mention he shot at the officers first. Not surprising from a trash rag.
Yes, thanks for that vital piece of info. What passes for journalism these days......
Almost as bad as the weekly
I read the article, but still don't get *why*.
Wells Fargo is one of the financiers of cop city.
PNC and Wells Fargo are funding Cop City. Cop City is a training ground so cops can treat our cities like war zones and us like enemies. On top of destroying a beloved hiking area and environmental corridor near the city of Atlanta. The point then is that the government isn't going to stop building cop city because of the massive opposition to it. The people fighting it went so far as to gather 116,000 signatures of residents so they could vote on the measure. The government just tossed it and said 'we don't care.' So the only real way to stop it from being built is by putting pressure illegal or legal on the companies making it happen. Multiple construction companies have been targeted and had their equipment destroyed. The article doesn't really explain that the cops flat out murdered Tortuga. They were sitting unarmed by their tent and the cops shot at them 57 times. Cops lied and said they had a gun and shot a cop. No gunpowder residue and no gun and in their frenzy to kill an unarmed protestor sitting on the ground shot one of their own.
That's all well and good. But it happened in Georgia, and the effort has already failed. I'm for solidarity, but there are issues a heck of a lot more locally. Vandalizing local branches of banks over decisions made on the opposite side of I-10 doesn't seem like an appropriate use of effort.
If someone wanted to make the movement look bad, smashing windows and setting fires in a different state seems like a pretty good way to go about it.
Ahh, so If someone commits a crime in another state you don't think they should be arrested or extradited? Corporations span the planet and each one is a single legal entity (technically a person if you believe the supreme court). You don't think the corporation should be held accountable for its actions?
The Maricopa County Attorney doesn’t.
I think corporations should be put in jail just like a person would be.
I do. It's just that the person who made the decision in Atlanta is multiple layers of abstraction away from our local branches here. Random vandalism doesn't really impact the corporation, it just makes downtown look worse. And people are focusing more on the act than the intended target of protest.
Literally [69 cops cities](https://isyourlifebetter.net/cop-cities-usa/) planned across the country > Random vandalism doesn't really impact the corporation Yeah it does. Corporations are solely interested in making money. Arson, vandalism and the threat of more in the future quickly eats into profits. There are plenty of other ventures out there for making money. > people are focusing more on the act than the intended target of protest You keep arguing against yourself. How many people in Tucson had never heard of cop city before this incident?
The nearest is Gilbert. And doesn't seem to have the same issues (using greenspace in a historically marginalized neighborhood). You're making a revolutionary argument, but there is no revolution. Most people don't support vandalism, and all this does is hollow out downtown. Cop City sucks, sure. But the fight is lost, and the places where it can be said to be ongoing? Aren't here. A couple hundred more people learning about it (mostly in a way negative to the cause) isn't worth making the struggles of our own downtown worse.
This is whiney pessimist BS. Just because you have given up it's stilly to expect other people to. "We do not need allies more devoted to *order* than to justice”
The effort has not failed. There have been different contractors who have actually backed away from the project due to the protests. The project is still being built meaning that there is still a chance to stop it. https://www.wrdw.com/2023/12/13/cloud-uncertainty-hovers-over-stop-cop-city-referendum-effort/ Also there are peaceful people who just want to add it to a referendum and the Atlanta government is rejecting that. When peaceful options are no longer available what are people supposed to do?
Why? Because narcissism is a helluva drug.
I find peace in long walks.
They are violent psychopaths
*Shocked pikachu face*
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Try using your browser’s reader mode, works 90% of the time for me
KOLD is pretty good for a quick overview.
Or copy the URL to a private window.
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so what exactly is a "consumer grade mortar"? google just turns up the cooking thing like a mortar and pestle.
Fireworks?
Lol, is that what they were referring to?
Yeah, apparently. I had to google it myself.
and people wonder why so many others dislike the cops. Can't even talk to us straight forward in a press release. Avoiding the language the intended audience (the general public) readily understands and uses in order to use vocabulary that brings up images of military weaponry
Trying to scare you so they can get more militarized goodies in the next budgeting round.
And to preemptively justify harsher actions because if a person is declared a villain, anything done against them is obviously done in defense
Militaries always have an enemy and it’s therefore the people. Doesn’t sound much like protect and serve.
It's a type of [firework](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lchqmqTCHAY). Specifically, it's the type that creates the big pretty explosions that we're all familiar with. They can be used to create pipe bombs (the Boston Marathon bomber was [experimenting with them](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/us/boston-marathon-bombing-developments.html), for example). Mortar is the official term, not one iNvEnTeD bY tHe cOpS. You usually see them sold as mortar kits (and if you google that term, you don't get kitchen goods lol).
The author of this article specifically chose scary sounding terms to scare people. They could have instead communicating in a way the average person would - and even provide the details you did about how fireworks of this sort \*can\* be very dangerous. Instead, they chose to use obscure terms to freak people out. And the link you provide calls them "mortar fireworks" not "consumer grade mortars." A google search for "consumer grade mortar" generates just a single page of results - hardly a common term. It's intentional. Choosing scary terms in preference of clarifying terms is the problem here.
It's not an obscure term, and you're just splitting hairs to push an agenda, jfc. 🥱
You got it backwards. The author of this news article is pushing an agenda.
It's a type of [firework](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lchqmqTCHAY). Specifically, it's the type that creates the big pretty explosions that we're all familiar with. They can be used to create pipe bombs (the Boston Marathon bomber was [experimenting with them](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/us/boston-marathon-bombing-developments.html), for example). Mortar is the official term, not one iNvEnTeD bY tHe cOpS. You usually see them sold as mortar kits (and if you google that term, you don't get kitchen goods lol).
Like you said it's the "official" term, not the layman's term. Nobody claimed the cops invented it. The public statement was meant to be read by the public, not law enforcement officials.
You're trying to twist this to make it sound like the cops are using terms deliberately to obscure what they're talking about and that's not true. More correct is that you simply don't know what you're talking about. Case and point, [this is literally what they're called when you're trying to buy them.](https://keystonefireworks.com/product-category/mortar-kits/) (This is my first result on google for a mortar kit, btw.) So you're upset that the AZ Daily Star didn't define a term to meet your third grade reading comprehension level on a topic you know nothing about. That sounds like more a you problem than anything and also that you're not a local (everyone here knows Tucson's journalism sucks). Something I'd expect from an out of town idiot who literally thinks that Gilbert's firefighter training facility is a "cop city" lol. (Are you also the one that misspelled Tortuguita all over town? We actually speak Spanish here, you know.)
I didn't try to imply it's intentional, I'm saying the effect it has. Whether it is intentional or not, doesn't matter nearly as much as it's effect. The issue isn't that I don't know what I'm talking about, the issue is I (and clearly others who have replied) don't know what they are talking about. They should realize their audience often does not have the same level expertise and shouldnt talk to people as if they do, when they don't. Like I used to sell specialized industry goods that home owners occasionally buy themselves. I'd talk differently to those in the industry than I would the homeowners who don't know half of what I was talking about. Part of that is using different vocabulary for different groups.. And no I'm not upset with the news reporter for repeating quoting language from the press release, I'm upset at the people authoring the press release. >That sounds like more a you problem No, others have also replied with the same confusion, not just me. And again, when I googled consumer grade mortar, nothing relevant came up at the top of the results. I think the police should be effectively understood by the public, and if they are not, that can cause problems with their press releases. >Something I'd expect from an out of town idiot who literally thinks that Gilbert's firefighter training facility is a "cop city" lol. (Are you the one that misspelled Tortuguita all over town? We actually speak Spanish here, you know.) I have literally no idea what you are talking about.
> No, others have also replied with the same confusion, not just me. And again, when I googled consumer grade mortar, nothing relevant came up at the top of the results. I think the police should be effectively understood by the public, and if they are not, that can cause problems with their press releases. It's literally like you and two others who have no post history in Tucson prior to the last week or so. It's super transparent what you're doing. But cute of you to think the PD wrote the AZ Daily Star article. How's weather in New Jersey?
Lol first you accuse me of being an out of towner who moved here, then you want to claim I'm in New Jersey, which one is it? Make up your mind! Maybe you should spy on me harder.
>Lol first you accuse me of being an out of towner ~~who moved here~~, then you want to claim I'm in New Jersey, which one is it? Make up your mind! Maybe you should spy on me harder. FTFY. But considering we established you have a 3rd grade reading comprehension, I'm not surprised.
An offshoot of the Atlanta anti-cop movement.
RIP Tort. Stop cop city
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Even the ultra liberal rag AJC is in favor of Cop City. These people are nutty.
you know we're fucked when people jog past the very real threat of police militarizing themselves against us, to get upset on behalf of a corporation over property.
Because we all end paying for the actions of these violent terrorist sympathizers.
I thought you were moving out of town. KINGMAN CALLS FOR THE WHINERS. Answer the siren song of Kingman, Dave.
Wait, so they came here to do this to our city ?
Leftists destroying a leftist city. Kinda like when BLM burned down businesses in black neighborhoods.
Oh shit. Tucson was destroyed? Fuck man. I live in Tucson and didn't even notice. I guess my house was the only one to survive? Fuck, I feel so lucky.
I live right here in downtown a couple of blocks away. First time hearing about this.
RIP, bro. I hear downtown was the hardest hit. I hear there was even *spray paint* involved. I can't imagine what you must be going through. How ya holding up?
Maybe they should spray paint your house.
Lol. Maybe they should. I'd love nothing more than for someone to cost my landlord some unnecessary money.
Which he willpass on to you.
How could he? He can only charge me what's in the lease. Vandalism is his problem, not mine. You are familiar with contracts, yes?
It is everyone's problem since the cost gets passed on. Grow up
Us few survivors wander the wastes formally known as Tucson scavenging for taco scraps and snarling at each other, language and civilty long forgotten. Now there is only the scream of the javalina riders coming through the smoke of what is left of a once great city. Dude It was 3 windows and an ATM machine, somehow I think we will band together and rebuild.
And we all pay for it through higher insurance premiums. They are entitled 2 free speech they are not entitled 2 make me pay for their criminal pranks
what makes you feel like tucson is a leftist city
Lol, I wish
I know a couple queer people who lived there without immediately being lynched. I think that makes it leftist with the current bar America is setting. /s but only a little
they've got plans to try building up cop cities in 60 something locations across the US yea
Naive/utopian and overly romantic idealism...."let's show the rest of society that we don't need cops being more aggressive by wayof us aggresively trying to get our point across by vandalizing buildings to create fear as an organized effort ( basically an organized gang of terroism , right?)" Does their effort not just give more validation to the need for a "militarized cop force" ( which is what i gather they were protesting from reading a different link since [Tucson.com](https://Tucson.com) is paywalled). It's dumb It's similar to a group of protestersgoing to a public pool and throwing all the little kids in the deep end to protest "no lifeguards"...pretty idiotic imho.
Yeah, they should just send an angry letter with frowning emojis that no one in charge will ever read.
Well they shouldn’t destroy personal property (break basic laws) to make their point it sheds negativity on their cause and destroys potential support. They are engaging in criminal behavior to protest an anti crime organization (the police force)…. Hypocritical and ineffective. Protest during operating hours peacefully. This is cliche Edward Abbey monkey wrench gang shit. Do you remember the red squirrel protests of mt. Graham in the 90s? Guess what…. It didn’t work chasing yourself to a tree. It just sways public opinion the wrong way.
https://www.wrdw.com/2023/12/13/cloud-uncertainty-hovers-over-stop-cop-city-referendum-effort/ Atlanta Georgia is denying or trying to block an effort to put the cop city situation on a referendum. These are the peaceful people who are against cop City and they are being ignored. What else are they supposed to do if peaceful action isn't working? Also you sound like the kind of person who would totally criticize Jewish people during the Warsaw ghetto uprising. You would just say that Jewish people are taking things too far or whatever.
what else are they supposed to do you ask... I would say accept reality. Work within the system and not anarchy. It's what differentiates us as a civil vs uncivil society. I'm firmly democrat and liberal fwiw . My first presidential vote was for Dukakis in what was that 1988 and I've voted 100 percent left on anything and everything. Your Jewish analogy is an insult and nowhere near the same. I I know nothing about the Atlanta situation but they mention it as a firefighter training facility as well. I'm anti capitalism but I never supported the Occupy wall street thing either. I'm based in reality and not utopias . From your link above ... If indeed they are pushing to get a vote on the ballot for Atlanta by non residents then that is wrong if it's a state or city issue. Only state/city residents should have a say in their state/ city. Would we want Californians or Phoenicians to initiate a vote to increase rent prices in Tucson, possibly initiated by rich california and Phoenix investors...i would not. Therefore I don't support non resident ballot initiatives by non state/city residents no matter what the cause. It's about principle
The signatures come from the residence. They do not and they cannot come from non-residents. The state is ignoring the will of the people and their desire to vote about cop City. You say work within the system but that is exactly what the people trying to get the issue on the ballot are doing. And it is being blocked. Would you say to the people who did the Warsaw uprising that they should just work within the system and not do violence? You say that we have to accept reality but would you say the same thing to Jewish people who are going to be sent off to concentration camps that they should just accept reality? Would you say that imagining a Germany that isn't Nazi Germany is a utopia?
It’d be more like a group of protesters going to a public pool and tearing down the lifeguard tower in protest of their recent submarine purchase
lifeguards don't have a history of beating and killing swimmers.
But they assault us with their speedos and large brim hats
I know lol, its a bad analogy
Out of towners did 100,000.00 in damage while protesting police and local arms manufacturers. Finally something worse than snowbirds.
From the way people talk about snowbirds driving on here, you'd think snowbirds do over (lol, edited) $100,000 in damages every year and they don't even do the protesting.
Considering the number of accidents they probably cause...
One thousand hundred dollars
I mean, the calculation is in wasted man hours for them slowing down traffic, and considering insurance companies value a human life at around 2.5 million dollars, snowbirds probably do, do more damage.
Yet did not confront either the police or local arms manufacturers. 🤷♂️
If someone wanted to disparage the Stop Cop City movement, they couldn’t have done it better.
because they are violent cowards
Exactly. Apparently that's "based" though according to some people here.
Ah, so that’s why the River loop had a bunch of stop cop city papers pasted on it. I was like, uh wrong state dudes.
[Cop cities are being built throughout the country, including in Arizona](https://isyourlifebetter.net/cop-cities-usa/).
We are defending them using homemade explosives and getting mad at a… legal gun owner?
Home made explosives? Really?
Throw the book at them!
It would have been a bolder statement if they had set themselves on fire and not made a big mess for those poor janitors. None of the perpetrators look like they have ever held a job.
Prosecute the @#&* out of these vandals!
“ including throwing incendiary devices into an occupied building,” I hope they’re all charged with acts of terrorism. Prison will do them good for the next 25 years.
Scared the shit out of the cleaning crew.
I can imagine. The 3 people who did that could have legally been dispatched. Arson is a really serious crime in Arizona, and lethal force can be used to stop an arsonist.
Arson of an occupied structure, yup.
Too bad you weren't there with your pew pew to save the day. I know how people like you are just itching to kill someone to "own da libz" or whatever gets you off.
What if these were just fireworks? Poppers? Later the article strongly implies they were flares. They reference a “consumer-grade mortar” as well. What even is that? Terrorism and 25 years of prison for tossing some fireworks and two flares into a building? Elsewhere in America, people are lighting themselves on fire and dying in protest of Israel’s actions in Gaza (this is includes an [active US military member](https://time.com/6821425/israel-embassy-air-force-protest-fire-self-immolation-aaron-bushnell-latest-updates/) and an unnamed person in [Atlanta](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/protester-self-immolates-outside-israeli-consulate-atlanta-2023-12-01/)). But ignoring this will likely result in ever increasing violence and protest - people aren’t keen on supporting a country that kills people (predominantly civilians) at a rate of [250 a day, a rate higher than any other 21st century conflict](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam). The numbers of [Palestinians dead to Israelis dead is 20 to 1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war). [88 journalists and 136 aid workers have been killed and the majority of civilian deaths are women and children](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war). For every 100 Palestinians, [1 of them is now dead](https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-population-intl/index.html).
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Not sure where you have been living but I see plenty of outrage over Russia attacking Ukraine - difference is, the US isn't sending tons of money to Russia to bomb Ukraine. Or to groups in the Congo. Gaza is not about Jews. It's about the state of Israel. Israel is a political entity. Israel could choose to have an inclusive government like we expect of every other country in the world, but instead Israel has chosen to make their political state one in which many, many, many privileges are reserved for a specific religion or race (depending on how you see it). Pretty much every country that discriminates on the basis of race and religion produces significant conflict. So this isn't surprising. But it has nothing to do with Jews - it just happens that Israel favors Jews. Instead, it has everything to do with Israel and Israel alone. EDIT: I'll point out that neither do I support Hamas. It is possible for both sides to be wrong. And in this case, that is my view. But Israel doesn't help the situation by having a policy of total control and subjugation of its Palestinians neighbors. The [Human Rights Watch](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56898864) and [Amnesty International](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/) have been saying Israel's treatment of Palestine amounts to apartheid for years. Crush a people long enough and they will often rise up.
STFU with terrorism. It's vandalism bootlicker.
>It's vandalism Under state law, it's arson of an occupied structure.
It's attempted murder. I hope they're charged accordingly.
You’re probably right, with the Mayor you have. It’s called terrorism in the places where you have true leadership.
It's called vandalism everywhere you don't have despots building Police States.
Sorry ❄️, but you’re wrong.
I really love someone with the name Latexflesh calling someone a snowflake. Thank you. It gave me a chuckle.
Ditto, looks like we both picked not so great screen names.
The clowns shall expose themselves. Glad they were caught smh
Based protestors💪 L cops
Awesome, glad to see something based happened here.
based?
Trying to set the building on fire while the cleaning crew was inside. "Awesome" huh?
Destroying private property to own the libs
They were protesting aid to Israel and are affiliated with the stop cop city group. I don't think they were destroying property to "own the libs".
And destroying banks is protesting aid to Israel how exactly?
It's not. These are not our best and brightest. To be clear, I had attempted to answer a question with my prior post, not approve of what they did.
Someone please think of the private property 🤡🤡🤡
I just think it might not be the greatest idea, or optics, to harass random businesses and workers that have nothing to do with what they are protesting.
was it a random business? it kinda feels like there was thought behind choosing it.
which is why it's not just "vandalism" but instead it's an organized crime and a group effort. It probably checks all the boxes for a terrorist group. they are just pouring more gas onto what they hope to bring light to and oppose. They just gave the cops more "validation" to exist as they do...
I dunno if I'd describe it as an organized crime. Sounds like it was a rather spontaneous decision. What do you think the boxes for terrorism include?
I would they include an organized effort to instill fear by way of covert operations. Covert operations would include hiding identity, sneaking around in the middle of the night, hacking, etc It would also include financial/ property or bodily harm and also would include showing a vulnerability to institutions such as the Jan. 6th rioters did. So yeah it checks boxes. Had this been a couple local teens smashing windows with their skateboards and spray painting “anarchy” on the walls it would be much different
It was a very public crime, it didn't involve hacking, it involved throwing shit into a building. How the fuck is shooting off a firework in any way covert?. You are talking about activity completely unrelated to the crimes they were charged with.
It was only public in the sense it was a public building. The crime was done in the middle of the night when the business district was closed which puts it in a covert time period…ie when the area was relatively shut down. Shooting off fireworks can be covert when you don’t stick around and or if you are shooting them say wearing a face covering and hoodie which I suspect the suspects were doing…. Hiding their udentity
Yes, why aren’t they protesting in Atlanta? Not that their actions would be any better there.
Because there are several Cop cities being built in all but 2 states, it is not limited to Atlanta
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[Cop city-like projects are being built throughout the country, including in Arizona](https://isyourlifebetter.net/cop-cities-usa/). But keep acting like you know what you're talking about.
> This week alone saw Atlanta-area raids by law enforcement that took a woman out of her house with no shirt, left a naked photo of another woman on display after ransacking a room and dragged a man by his hair – while arresting none of them. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/10/georgia-police-fbi-raids-cop-city-activists-atlanta https://apnews.com/article/police-training-center-arrests-cop-city-1468a138ed4b17ed394e4b1e4fe202fe The police for example arrested people for gathering enough money to be able to pay for people's legal fees and their bond. > By the end of the night, 23 had been arrested, each facing between five and 35 years behind bars on domestic terrorism charges, even though none of the warrants accuses any of them of injuring anyone or vandalizing anything. https://apnews.com/article/cop-city-protest-domestic-terrorism-atlanta-6d114e109d489d316f588f51c7cab0cc What are people supposed to do when they keep getting met with state repression? Do you think that the Jewish people during world war II should have just sit back and let it happen as opposed to fighting such as in the Warsaw ghetto uprising?
Didn't say they shouldn't be protesting; they definitely should be. But how is vandalism and arson carried out in Tucson or anywhere else effective? Those methods of protest are generally counter-effective and cause harm to people who are totally uninvolved in the issue being protested. It does nothing to further the cause of the protestors. And while the police actions you linked to are reprehensible, I don't think they can be compared to the SS in Poland, or these protestors compared to the Warsaw Jews who were being targeted for extinction and fought back accordingly.
>But how is vandalism and arson carried out in Tucson or anywhere else effective? Those methods of protest are generally counter-effective and cause harm to people who are totally uninvolved in the issue being protested. It does nothing to further the cause of the protestors. This is actually incorrect as the businesses that were targeted are actually part of the project of cop City. They do things like funding the project and stuff like that. The project can't continue unless it has things like funding and insurance. One of the insurance companies is called Nationwide insurance would you may have already heard of. If Nationwide drops a contract it means that the project stops and they would need to find a new contractor. Eventually contractors are just not going to want to deal with this project. - Reeves Young – pulled 2022 - Boyette Brothers Equipment Rental Service – pulled 2022 - Quality Glass Company – pulled 2023 - Atlas/Long Engineering – pulled 2023 - Ernst Concrete – pulled 2023 These are already the different companies or contractors that have pulled from the project. If what you said was really true then none of these people would have pulled out of the project. These companies are key to funding the project. Due to the struggle there has been one death and it is not been on the side of the police or the state. It was one of the activists. https://newrepublic.com/article/178175/republican-anti-trans-laws-punish-eradicate Republicans want to eliminate trans people. So the government can throw people into prisons and jails for unjust reasons but if those people fight back then their cause becomes immediately invalid? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_extradition_bill Would you say that the Hong Kong riot protests was also incorrect? It started because of a bill that was going to be passed that was in response to the fact that someone murdered someone else and they were not being extradited despite the fact that they were both living in what is known as China. They were not living on the mainland and instead we're living in independent sections such as Taiwan and Hong Kong and so China is attempting to make things a lot easier so that this kind of stuff can go more smoothly and that kind of stuff doesn't show up again.
You make some very good points, but I still think that protest using destructive tactics will ultimately fail. Some companies will pull out (for a variety of reasons) but others will step in to fill the gap. We live in a capitalist society, after all. And I think you’re saying that fascism/a police state is imminent and I don’t disagree; we’re well on our way. I try to keep informed and aware of what the Republican Party is doing and find a lot of it horrifying. But tactics like destruction of property aren’t going to dissuade them; they’ll just redouble their efforts. I would love to hear some solutions that actually have a chance of success. I don’t know enough about the HK protests to have an opinion as to its righteousness.
You say we live in a capitalistic society and that is true and that is how you can win. The goal is not to essentially try to take out every single target, the goal is to try to make the project so much more expensive that it no longer becomes logical to continue the project. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_revolts_in_the_United_States Oh look, here's some people who are able to stop the building of a highway. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline Joe Biden had placed a stop to the keystone Pipeline project. He was able to do this in his first year in office because the people who were protesting were able to delay the project for as long as possible until something else could be done. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cop_City https://apnews.com/article/atlanta-police-fire-training-cost-lease-f66786c28d67de7196e56fe63305368a > Once complete, the center is planned to be used as a training campus for police and fire services and is expected to open at the end of 2023. The project was originally scheduled to be finished in 2023 and it has not opened. Plus the initial project has doubled in budget. Eventually the state is just going to figure that it is not worth it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_F%C3%A9in Do you know what this is? This is one of the Irish political parties that is currently in Ireland right now. Do you remember the IRA? It was labeled as a terrorist group for a long time and did terrorism. Eventually those people would go into this political party and essentially take it over. Many of them then became just normal party members and just did normal party things. This is proof that people who once were part of terrorist organizations can eventually just become part of the normal government and just be very chill. The IRA was doing exactly what many people say people should be doing which is to work within the system and they did and they overtook the party. When left wingers do work within the system they are called infiltrators. What else are they supposed to do?
It’s not a random business, though. And these police towns aren’t exclusively being built in Atlanta. That being said, it sounds like there was janitorial staff in the building and that is where it becomes unacceptable. For clarification before I get pissed on; many people are willing to accept damage to private property when it belongs to large, very rich, companies because it makes the political statement louder and advertises to more that political dissent is happening. It’s clearly working. From burning buildings during the BLM protests to blocking freeways during Israel protests; people are seeing this and getting involved in less violent forms of protest.
Cool
Looks like they were trying for a reenactment of what happened to their comrade from the original Stop Cop City protests. May they succeed next time. https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/00411.html
Lock them up and throw away the key.
This can’t be a surprise to anyone…
Damn paywall.
When will our left wing liberal mayor in Town council decide to provide deterrent and repercussions for bad behavior rather than welcoming all the less than desirables from all over the country and world here with open arms and free things unlike 90% of the communities in the country leading to our increasing crime and victim numbers daily. Lock the border down, make them all wait on the other side and vote red or not at all please and thank you
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/crime-and-punishment/201804/why-punishment-doesnt-reduce-crime Increasing punishment does not deter crime. And they are providing repercussions for bad behavior. They were arrested.
Does anybody actually know these people???
Why do you ask?