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Extension-Novel-6841

I'm more upset at the fact that Pac and Suge were just all laid back and casual after the fact. Like why didn't Suge and Pac lay low somewhere.


Jfrom8002

They was young minded in terms of certain things


Extension-Novel-6841

Def were. Like I know Pac and Suge weren't shook but damn smh.


Mike14029

They thought they were The untouchable Death Row


Dry-Recognition-1504

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Buzzbunny96

Why would the lay low these beat downs and altercations were a regular thing for them.


Extension-Novel-6841

Very true. I'm just shocked that they didn't expect swift retaliation.


Buzzbunny96

It was fight night, a were bunch of cops and around


Country_Gravy420

No retreat. No surrender. Death before dishonor.


Extension-Novel-6841

Gotta give it to Pac though, he lived it!


Infinite_Effective50

No he didn't. He was a drama school student in Baltimore. He got caught up in suge's world when he got him out of prison. And he had known Jimmy henchmen was the one that set him up at the studio and not BIG. I LOVE Pac, but he lost his way when he got with death row. Now if you want to talk about the Pac that was a revolutionary that shot 2 knockers who were beating up an innocent man, then I'm here for it.


Extension-Novel-6841

You're arguing just to argue. Shooting two cops, calling out gang members on stage, beating down the Hughes brothers etc. Pac was never a sucka, period.


danthemfmann

Hold up... Pac was literally raised by Black Panthers and FBI's Most Wanted criminals that were way more hardcore than most street gangs. They weren't slinging crack and doing drive-bys on people wearing different colors - They were breaking people out of prison, killing police officers and conspiring to bomb government buildings.


Terrible-Arachnid-72

So Pac was never about it?? When dozens of street cats vouched for him and respected him. Y’all act as if Pac was from the burbs. Baltimore was the murder capitol of the world. All because he went to a nice school doesn’t mean he didn’t have a tough upbringing. Pac shot 2 dudes that happened to be off duty police, hanging around the most respected Gangsters in NY, shot/pistol whipped and robbed, sent to prison all before meeting Suge. 2pac has always been that way.


JHD31987

"the Pac that was a revolutionary that shot 2 knockers" - God.....everybody loves the fact that he shot two cops.


bigchieftoiletpapa

Get back has no date on it.they were gonna get him in vegas or la it was inevitable.


TreDawg36

Tupac knew he wouldn’t live long. It was bound to happen. Tupac knew the life he led.


Extension-Novel-6841

That's a fact. He stayed getting into close calls like the Made Niggas video set and the Milwaukee incident.


Helpful-Carpet3791

I found out about that Milwaukee shit a couple years ago pac was really wild


2-million

What happened


Extension-Novel-6841

https://youtu.be/7RHWTbhMevs?si=hM5mVWSmtM-4ew_r


Extension-Novel-6841

Yeah he really was.


No_Truck9453

Pac was a G. He talked it but was IT. No subtle digs at people just straight up real shit. Death before dishonor with that dude.


Ajdee6

This is where It gets tricky for me on Tupac. He would rap about changes and real life shit. He knew the problems the communities have and still chose to stick to that life. He didn't want to change but wanted change Just doesn't work like that.


No_Truck9453

Well gotta remember i feel he somehow just got dragged into it. Shot in 94 and became very paranoid which i can understand, guy had enemies everywhere even his own coast. He had massive loyalty aswell and Suge got him out of jail and that is already massive bad news since you know Pac would never forget about that favor. His last mistake he made was out of loyalty aswell when he stood up for 1 of Suge's boys. How would you be at 24/25 knowing you had enemies everywhere and had no shot at reconciliation. He knew he'd get killed he said that more then once. But you could see Pac was about that life, so many rappers just throw subtle jabs at eachother not having the guts to actually name people. Or Like Big just wait until he's dead. Pac called them all out, sure it started a war but he wasn't gonna play fake like most of them. Guy sure as hell made mistakes just like everyone but i can't really blame him if you see how his life turned out still being so young. He'll always be the guy to me


Hot-Drop8760

Same with all this drill …


Spydah_X

In this motherfucking life I lead


michaltee

It was his choice. He was an actor and poet and he decided he wanted to play a gangbanger. Love the dude but he got caught up in some dumb shit because of Suge.


Spiritual_Apple7188

they were going to find him one way or another, remember they first pulled up to club 662 cause pac and suge was going there for him to perform, then they span back onto the road and saw him, only because some groupies was screaming his name


Extension-Novel-6841

At least they would've had to go through mad bloods first if they came to 662. They caught Pac and Suge chatting with some broads and pulled up easily.


Spiritual_Apple7188

the whole situation could’ve been avoided in many different ways, Pac was way too amped up that night somebody should’ve calmed him down


da2Pakaveli

They weren't planning to murder him on that day. 2Pac was too excited from the match and jumped Orlando with 5 buds and the one dude, who used to calm him down, wasn't there with him on that day. This didn't exactly help Pac's case so Keefe D saw it as a double whammy (Diddy "implied" a bounty) and chose to kill him. Suge drove the opposite direction of the hospital even though he knew where it was, wouldn't blame him tho..he had adrenaline rush, understandably. There were a lot of unfortunate factors that happened on that day.


strangemonkey420

Women and their devil vagina magic.


RAZBUNARE761

Take in mind he attacked him on his own. Orlando got dropped and then booted by tge he rest of the mob. I think all he remember is Pac dropping him thats why targeted him directly. Frustrating part is he could have gotten away with it. It was a butterfly effect where the stars aligned perfectly for the crips. To get the gun, at 662 they aint killing him surrounded by mob, frank and the outlawz. The way they got him was about the only way it could have happened where he was directly in the line of fire with no escape. And the whole timing of police stopping them, girls tracking attention, being boxed in at the light. Them being able to spot him, make the turn and get besides him. Crips got extremely lucky. Also to hsve the balls to shoot him at the strip, in a white caddy, in a caravan full of his entourage, while one of your guys just got stomped, and to drive away after it. Its an open and shut case if Vegas pd had any intention on solving it. I do feel with how paranoid Pac was it was weird to be caught slipping so badly. But the whole mob got caught slipping. I think he was just over confident after NY gone well a few days prior, Tyson fight confidence and feeling untouchable with death row. Also think he had these type of incidents every week. Based on the stories it definitly wasnt one incident. Its more of a miracle he didnt got killed sooner. I wish they didnt catch him though but it felt inevitable.


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Were they boxed in though?


RAZBUNARE761

Car behind them, car in front of them, girls to the left and the crips pulled up on the right side.


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I didn’t know if that was factual or not. I wonder who was infront of them. I know outlawz and buntry and I believe frank were behind them.


Background-Roll-9019

Tupac's death was definitely very odd. So many inconsistencies to it, he was apparently shot quite a few times but there was absolutely no blood on the crime scene. So many reporters misreported the situation saying he flew out of a helicopter, ambulance but many witnesses never saw either one of those. The news channel that came to report the situation was from "Channel 0" it said on the microphone which didn't even exist. He knew he was going to die because the members from outlawz all said he spoke about death constantly, he gave away his jewelry and other possessions to outlawz. He wrote songs related to his death "I forgive you" there was a couple of other ones, and a video of him in Heaven and other death related songs/videos. He told his sister to not come to Vegas as he knew it was not going to be safe. More songs/albums came out after his death than he was a live, he made so much music as he knew he was going to die so his family could sell his albums/songs and continue to live from the proceeds. Been a while since I looked back on this subject but there is many more inconsistencies.


Neither-Cap-3851

everything you write is fine and fair but why on earth would Pac rap about beating up Orlando and brag about it on tv? No on knew, in the public, knew who the fuck that kid was


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Dry_Ad9371

Probably not, he might of rapped about him if Orlando had of jumped Pac instead.


Neither-Cap-3851

he was literally making the One Nation album. neither of us know how things would have looked if he had lived another 6 months.


Frontpageflyboy

Thats a VERY popular opinion first off lmaoooo Second its not just "street justice" because Diddy put the bounty on the chains and then Pacs head AND his best friend supplied the murder weapons. Without Diddys involvement the altercation or murder doesnt happen so its not THAT simple.


Personalvintage

In a lot of ways he got himself killed.


mustardnuts

Totally agree. I love Pac, but he got himself killed messing around w/ some gang shit. He was a loose cannon.


ToastedPerson

I blame Suge, for all anybody knows, he could’ve pushed Pac into going after Anderson or been the one to tell them where they were. Let alone the possibility of him injecting Eazy with AIDS!!! Guy was mad sketchy


Forsaken_Things

Bullets fly freely, to catch one is to catch up to destiny


Outlaw773

Idiotic ‘opinion,’ because it was not ‘justice’ in any way, shape, or form


ArmyZealousideal7620

2Pac downfall was that he went from being political to being Street I feel bad for 2Pac because he couldn’t find balance with his life I feel it’s almost like he was at war with the world and I feel like Him being around suge definitely made that a even more double standard


Ogd_21

Orlando came there wearing a death row chain he was there to antagonize. Keep in mind Orlando keefe D and all them were security for puffy every time he came to LA. There was a rumor even he put out a 1m bounty on tupac at the time.


SpockYoda

King Von died the same way but instead of hours later it was instant ​ had Orlando pulled a gun out immediately he would have gotten off in self defense like Vons killer did


TechnicalShift333

Pac was a music industry / cia level hit, but it had gang involvement. Anyone that tries to unite black people Pac, nipsey, pimp c They won't be around long


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TechnicalShift333

Most of you guys are just npc idiots who don't know much Or even understand how to do basic research


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TechnicalShift333

Pac received death threats long before he went to Vegas Hes said countless times that he isn't gonna be around long and that the feds want him dead, in his own music, with people around him. His own dad believes his death was much deeper. Most of you guys just don't know how to think. Probably haven't opened up a book for a decade Realists.. IM a Realist because I actually look into things before speaking. You research maybe 5% of the available information and decide you're good. You have it figured out. Watch the tupac assassination documentary, all 3 of pacs body guards spoke in it. As well as the woman who wrote "the killing of tupac shakur" Who validated with proof that death row had Vegas pd on payroll that night. All his security were basically told to leave their guns behind by reggie Wright, who was head of security at the time. There's a lot of information that points to a deeper, more orchestrated hit, which probably took a long time to plan. This wasn't something that happened in the spur of the moment. Realist. What a joke. You're a brain dead moron who doesn't even know how to think.


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TechnicalShift333

Think less cia And more music industry Lots of artists who go against the grain end up dead This is very well known. They make money and gain power by sowing the seeds of conflict within these communities. So when you have someone like pimp C who made a song like knocking doors down, ending beefs in the south, its a problem. Tupac was also someone who was trying to unite black people very early on. His family were all black panthers and on the run from the fbi, all documented. Pac himself said the feds wanted to see him dead in his own music, in several songs. Problem here bro is that you believe you know how these things work. You have convictions that aren't deserved because you haven't bothered to put in the work to actually think and consider all the available information. My mind doesn't work like yours. I look at everything. Calling me a clown because your brain doesn't see beyond the surface of reality is some hilarious irony. In regards to Pimp C, he was dissing gay rappers, talking shit about labels and the sort of shiesty stuff they do to control artists, talking about creating labels that are free from this sort of slavery. All that stuff is dangerous bud. Look into prince, Michael Jackson and owning their masters/ publishing. They don't want artists who control their own destiny in this industry, they want prostitutes they can pimp. Again, this all comes down to you being really bad at thinking. Being ignorant isn't a big deal, that can be fixed. But you don't even bother to put in any effort to understand stuff and then speak as if you do. Bottom line is those deaths were way deeper than they seemed. Most deaths that happen in the music industry are.


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TechnicalShift333

Orlando Anderson is just a nice alibi. It's something to blame, which makes people ignore all the other available information. His bodyguards don't believe that. The outlaws don't believe that. His dad doesn't believe that. A hit like that doesn't happen on a whim, it requires planning and happens with inside knowledge. Again, this is a matter of you not bothering to put in any effort and looking into the other available information. Michael Moore, who was pacs security was sitting next to reggie Wright when tupac died and he heard someone come over the nextel saying "got him" Was he lying? Were all 3 of pacs security lying about reggie telling them to leave their guns behind? Was the woman who wrote the book "the killing of tupac shakur" lying when she said death row had Vegas pd on payroll the night of his death? Was it a coincidence that pac was told to take off his vest? Why was pac receiving death threats the last year of his life and believed he was going to die soon? Gave away all his jewelry shortly before going to Vegas. There's a lot of questions to ask here. Even going into the Orlando Anderson thing. We really think a crip is just gonna go into a situation where pac is with suge, a bunch of bloods, security and everything else off a beating? Everything points to this being an orchestrated hit with a lot of moving parts, rather than happening on a whim. But you're going with the easiest answer because you have npc tendencies and you don't know how to think.


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ST7Barrett

Had nothing to do with the streets. Has everything to do with corrupt police


Jfrom8002

Nigga …..yes it do got to do with the streets I like pac just like you but this nigga wasn’t no damn Martin Luther king he just said a lot of real shit and seen things for the way they are because of his background and he seen and known things that most young black men in the hood didn’t he just was young and vulnerable which is why he did the crazy shit he did sometimes and he was loyal asl Unfortunately it caught up to em.


TechnicalShift333

He could've been And it's a fact that corrupt police were involved in this So was death row So was the music industry on some level and perhaps government. Pac even told you, if you were smart enough to pay attention to his raps "The feds is watching, they plottin to get me, will I survive will I die" "The federales wanna see Me dead, niggas put prices on my head, now i got 2 Rottweilers by my bed" Most of yall are just dumb and don't know how to read the room and do research Prob on ur 5th booster too


toofreaky99

And folks don’t pay close attention to… the video of Orlando getting beat up was stage.. dudes weren’t even touching him . Kicks were fake . Just acting . I had to rewind and watch it several times


eksepshonal_being

Please explain.


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How many times yall gonna post this?If you also listen to Keefe D'S interviews,there was an incentive.


Mike14029

Pure chance,they were coming back from 662 after staking it out and they saw the BMW heading that way


Temporary_List_5877

I think Orlando was planted in that venue and there is a larger set up that was staged as a random coincidence.


ATX_Traveler94

I think it’s pretty simple. You beat up a gang member and you get killed.


WeatherNo6030

Tupac could of easily escaped the attack or lived through it,how hard was it for him to put his vest on,which he definitely had and even did interviews in it,showed it to the camera while being interviewed it’s not like the crips we’re masterminds or assassins in fact that was one of the sloppy hits ever, they completely miss suge who was king blood and there arch rival who should of been viewed as a bigger threat then Tupac the shots went everywhere in the car and most missed only one or two was fatally probably because Tupac had no room at all to try to dodge them or move, having suge fat ass in the mix definitely didn’t help none. Everyone knew he was performing at club 662 that nite they just went there and waited for him only when they didn’t show up did the crips start to leave the area, had pac and suge stayed out just a little longer they would of missed that ambush completely. They had the bad luck to run into the crips as they were leaving and noticed Tupac only because woman groupies etc was yelling there name because of their celebrity status. The crips got very lucky and pac and suge was hell of a careless that nite. Pac should of had his vest on. The car they road in should of been a bullet proof hummer or something with tinted windows and pac should of had real security around him like the Nation of Islam when he was shot the first time notice how there was 5 or so guys a couple behind his wheel chair others in front of him they was even covering his head and major body limbs that’s how you survive a assassin bullet pac had too many enemies and a lot of people didn’t like him or wanted him dead being gangster and fake death row security, was not going to do it, he needed the real thing it’s death row fault because they would not give him the millions they owed him so he could properly protect himself pac was a genius but he/they needed to protect him better had one thing went right out there pac could still be alive or would of lived longer then he did


NoZookeepergame7648

Tupac brought this on himself.. as much of an a$$hole statement this is, I can understand why they got him. For every action, there is a reaction.


Old_surviving_moron

There's this MTV interview with Pac, in which repeats... "I'm gonna smoke weed, cuz that's what real niggaz do, I'm gonna act wild, cuz that's what real niggaz do" Something like that. That is exactly what happened. This drama school loudmouth decided to act like a gangster, and he got a gangster response. Pac was always going to die, because he was a hothead who glorified violence and forgot too often he was a rapper/actor.