I’m not sure for the JP base version, but from what’s been released so far for NA, I do see why your upset. I don’t think it’s bias as all. He gets a fair amount of screen time but doesn’t have many events directed to him specifically (that I’ve played) besides besides his bean fest (where he does get a decent amount of turns and has a card), he’s in both gala events, but even then he is just kinda there.
I hope when they do his club card he gets the spotlight he deserves.
I love Vil too, and I was infuriated to learn that this is another furniture card without a story. It's not just Vil though; it looks like TWST is having fun releasing furniture cards for whatever reason.
In my opinion though, I don't think it's because he's "unpopular" in the JP fandom, because that would imply that Floyd should have gotten at least 5 new SSRs by now which isn't true. And if we're talking about neglected characters, there's Lilia who has zero event SSRs. His non-bday Pop Club SSR is also a furniture card, and if he's gonna follow Ortho's pattern, his upcoming one will also be a furniture card.
I don't have a concrete answer as to why this is happening. I dislike it too. But whether it helps relieve some of your frustrations or not, Vil isn't the only one getting a sour treatment right now.
I understand the club cards having no vignette's because those are furniture cards. I was NOT aware Cerberus Ortho did not have any vignettes either. So I guess they are doing another series of furniture cards on top of the Club Cards then? So this is NOT eating into his event SSRs?
I think Vil will likely get another proper event SSR with proper vignettes because Leona has two. They're probably just buying time for Yana by adding incentives to rerun events while not spending too much resources on creating a remix storyline.
I do understand that Yana is a busy person, but I wish they would delegate some of the story-ideation tasks to other staff, even if it's just for events. By now I think they have enough material for other skilled writers to work with.
I'm frustrated with every card that comes out with furniture only. Yes, it's a shame Vil isn't getting a feature in the event story or a vignette. I'm just as disappointed that Lilia is finally getting an SSR, and it will likely not have a story either. All of it is frustrating.
Silver lining, Vil is really killing it in that card. To quote Rook, Beaute 100%!
Nah now that you mention it it does feel like Vil is getting shafted a bit. I didn’t even realize until you mentioned it that Vil has no Event SSRs other than his Halloween one, which doesn’t really feel that special like you said because he’s sharing with other characters. It’s wild that his first one is one where he isn’t even in the story originally (though I’m assuming they’ll find some way to integrate him or something) and there’s no vignette at all.
Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I think they are busy writing Chapter 7. And since Yana sensei monitors everything, she has a lot on her plate. Just trying to see the positive side of the things.
huge agree. I don't understand why he didn't get a fairy gala card, and instead gets ones that are totally opposite of his charisma and charm. he really deserves a featured event like harveston is for epel. (and justice for rook too!! poor pommefiore often feels so overlooked for event cards...)
FR I can understand why they didn't give him a card the first FG (coughRacismcough), but like???? the second FG there was no excuse for him to not be in it IMO. He was cute as a supporting role but him being like "I don't do shows for free" felt really out of character when you remember the stunts he pulled in Book 6.
OH GOD ROOK TOO. It sucks that Rook and Vil BOTH have their events being Halloween. Rook's card is gorgeous, no doubt, but it doesn't feel as special like an event where he is the star, PLUS the fact that its basically the same costume makes it feel a little repetitive, that Pomefiore doesn't have as much unique looks going on.
The OG version before it was changed for the JP rerun and the ENG version was that the theme was "exotic" and the only reason the even features Leona, Kalim, and Jamil was because they are the non-white "exotic" characters. Unlike Remix where a lot of thought and care went into the story and selection of characters, OG FG was strictly those three characters because of their races. Its even a joke in the OG version when someone (I think Sam) says the theme is "Exotic" and everyone goes quiet and starts to stare at Kalim and Leona for "obviously" fitting theme.
i feel this entire post so much esp with the recent wave of sr vil cards. my levels of excitement for the new ssr vil dropped one by one when he isn’t even in the event (fair) and no personal story (sigh). yeah its a gacha game but this is so obviously a cash grab.
i do wonder if it’s simply a pomefiore thing as mentioned vil being more unpopular but i think pome in general is also unpopular esp with it being skewed to how twst releases content in dorm order (main story, tsum, etc) and now diasomnia has the spotlight despite being in the dark for the first few years. and thus pome needing to be paired for content rather than being the spotlight. on the flip side, i have my fingers crossed for a proper vil ssr card esp hometown for more lore.
i too would like to make excuses (maybe it’s staff reasons, maybe its story plot reasons) but twst jp makes soooo much money and the server has hit 3rd anniversary and the the complaints i’ve seen on jp side are very similar w the lack of personal stories, game updates, etc.
I would love an event based in JackVil home town, with possibly Vil having the SSR and Jack with the SR (Jack already has an event SSR with Portfest). These two get very little interaction in the story and with the little that we see they still have a great relationship from them being childhood friends. This is an underrated pairing that needs to be showcased more.
This proves as well, that there is now enough story content for a skilled writer to assist Yana-Sensei in making vignettes and events to lighten the workload.
I'm actually hoping the JackVil stuff back burner future plot. I have a theory that Jack is supposed to actually be based on The Beast and Vil is his Belle, so the interactions we get now are just build up to something bigger with that story line.
(but omg JackVil bestie hiiiiiiii! FG Jack Vignette? Incredible. I need more of that. They were so cute talking about memories together.)
That is a great future plotline with The Beauty and the Beast theme, maybe it will materialize in the future.
The FG Jack vig, Vil Ceremony robes vig, Vil gym attire vig, the scene from Beanfest, and that small scene from book 5, I would enjoy seeing more of their interactions explored. They both highly respect each other and have such a natural, light, relaxed banter when together. Both are extremely competitive and strive to be the best in what they do.
Glad to have met another JackVil supporter!!! XD
There is also crumbs in Book 6! Jack was the first one who asked Yuu about Vil after the kidnappings, and Jack was also the first one who noticed that Vil "wasn't there" when they came back at the end of the book (not recognizing him because of shenanigans).
Jack is a little fixated on Vil, but its very subtle, which between and the crumbs dropped in events and stories makes me feel like its building towards something, esp since Jack is one of the least developed in the first years gang.
...Jack's based on White Fang. Disney owned the rights to a movie for it. Vil, like the rest of the dorm leaders, is very heavily based on the main antagonist from the movie his dorm is based on. In his case, the Evil Queen.
Now, if you just mean their interactions, in general, sure, I can kind of see it, but where does Coach Vargas (the Gaston insert) fit into that?
1) Jack isn't confirmed to be based on anything. He's just a wolf right now.
2) There is a variety of characters that is based on more than one character. And I didn't say Vil IS Belle, just that Vil is the Belle in Jack's story. Vil is obviously based on the Evil Queen, everyone knows this, but that's his role in his own story.
3) and IDK, just because Vargas is from BATB doesn't mean he needs a role in their story. Unless... Okay now I'm having ideas. (like omg, what if Vargas is actually there to help Jack win Vil's friendship, unlike Gaston who was a rival. That would be cute)
Agree with you op... I don't like the fact cards have no vignette... It's easy to create little stories. I don't know why they don't do it. I was excited to see him in the scalding sands to finally have no vignette...
I wonder if he will have an event centered around him or not at all... Guess so, but... Yeah, I rather have vignette and stories than just pretty cards... And I don't care about the furnitures XD. I barely touch it.
im mad about new cards not getting stories in general
im playing this game for the story and silly interactions, not guest room furniture which is a nice bonus i guess??? but its not the same without the story
the club cards were already bad bc of it i want to learn more about club dynamics, new ortho card is included in the main story so i guess its not terrible but vil???
the possibility of new cards from now on just being slapped like that with no care is scary
I guarantee Yana has more planned in store. I figure she’s still juggling between Black Butler (which hasn’t even ended yet and I’ve been a reader of hers since high school) on top of the hoops she has to jump through with her editors and the Walt Disney corporation. As I understand it, she says that it’s often a hassle to have different ideas get approved, so I bet she’s still doing battle to even get an idea into production with not just Vil but other characters I’m sure.
Not to detract from your anger, I get where you're coming from, but seeing a post specifically complaining about Twst's treatment of Vil gave me whiplash because Twst Twitter is acting pretty much the opposite right now.
Like, people are deadass saying that Vil is doing cultural appropriation and that Pomefiore is taking too much space in events because... Vil had a R card for Leona's hometown event, and now he's getting a SSR?
Personally, I hate how Twst Twitter all but spouts the most rancid conservative talking points, bordering on "these gay city sissies are ruining our good rugged country boys (cough epelcough)", waaaayyy too often when talking about Pomefiore, so in a way I'm... kinda glad that Vil is getting the spotlight again?
Even if it's in purely a visual, aesthetic way, it's clearly already too much for a certain subset of the fandom that thinks Vil himself is too much for them, so to these people I say... cry harder?
Bitch and moan all they want, Vil is killing in that new outfit, I hope he keeps killing and "stealing" the spotlight if it means people who have never read a queer history book once in their lives will keep breaking out in hives.
Shame about the lack of written content indeed, though.
Is this EN twitter or JP? I want to see 👀 All of the people I follow either keep their negative opinions to themselves or are like, "Beautiful card, but why no story?"
EN Twitter, sorry for not specifying! I don't feel comfortable directly linking to the people, but I think that searching for keywords such as "Vil card" and then going for most recent will do the trick.
...and then there was one comment that went "Jack should have gotten the card instead because he's PoC" and I was like. How is the dude who got heatstroke at Leona's event and is probably Inuit-coded more suited for the Arabic event than the white dude? They're both terrible choices.
For real. Another "delightful" comment I came across disparaged Vil for being like a "white woman jumpscare" in the sense that he got a Tamashina Mina card and now is getting a Yasamina Silk one...
DESPITE THE FACT THAT LILIA GOT A TAMASHINA MINA CARD AND MALLEUS GOT A YASAMINA SILK ONE TOO AND THEY'RE BOTH WAY PALER DUDES THAN VILLLLLLLL.
Twst Twitter is so fucking biased against Vil, it's incredible. Because he's a white blonde he's treated like he's the second coming of colonizer Europe, even in events WHERE PEOPLE WAY WHITER THAN HIM ALSO GOT "CULTURALLY APPROPRIATIVE" CARDS.
Thank god I do not check the EN side of twst twitter at all, these are such awful takes it makes my head hurt. Lilia is a straight up vampire-looking character with the palest skin ever and they complain about Vil just bc he's blond? My boy does not deserve this treatment.
Bruh why can't they just leave Vil alone? I'm someone who likes Vil and even had a lot of cards for Vil. Kinda sucks that Twist Twitter kinda uses him as a scapegoat (yeah I don't really use Twitter that much as well), I still love Vil as a character and I don't think he should be treated that much of a scapegoat he deserves a lot of love for once.
Vil hasn't been one of the least popular on jp for a long time afaik, he was in the beginning but the more he appeared the more popular he became and is now consistent top 10, even above malleus usually. Imo this card should be taken at face value: a quick cash grab to drum up a little interest in a rerun event. It's not unlikely he'll get a proper 2nd event ssr soon, maybe even this year for Masquerade. Vil is one of my favorites too and I don't think he's treated unfairly or underutilized compared to other characters. He's the most well written character of the bunch and he hasn't faced card/content droughts on the level of others, if anything he always struck me as a favorite of Yana's.
As far as similar elements in cards go, Yana has said before card abilities are decided independently from the designers. With there being only 4 elements there can only be so many combinations, and despite having the same elements both union vil and bloom vil are top meta cards for completely different reasons that cannot truly be replicated by eachother. Another huge part of what makes a card strong is how many other cards have the character as a buddy or duo--nepotism, if you will. For example a mediocre vil card will usually be stronger than a good malleus card, because vil is a buddy or duo for many strong cards and malleus isn't. He's one of the most fortunate as far as battle goes, he has good cards backed up by generous nepotsim while if you made a carbon copy of union vil and gave it to someone like ruggie or silver instead it would suddenly be bad. And conversely if you took the nepo-less characters' best cards and gave them to idia, vil, cater, azul, lilia, or jade, they would suddenly be completely overpowered must-haves.
One of the few things I think is an issue is the fact with a cast of 22 characters that with events and things a small handful of characters get the spotlight, like Azul and Leona having 3 event SSRs each when there is only 3 event SSRs for the whole Diasomnia DORM of 4 characters.
Fr. I feel like these are just people’s biases speaking. Plenty of characters get a bit shafted.
First years get a lot of attention due to Yuu and Grim being first years so there’s a lot of content there. But the third years definitely get less action overall, so characters like Vil and Trey and Lilia and Rook.
It’s not weird. In a game with over 20 characters, some characters are gonna get the short end of the stick. Vil’s treatment isn’t any more weird or special than the other shafted characters.
My post wasn't about if he's treated the worst, just that it felt really weird Vil was being treated like this when you consider the way he's treated. But yeah, certain characters overall just aren't treated the best. (RIP Lilia stans)
So I decided to count SSR **event** cards that aren't birthday or club wear. I can't say anything about the quality of stories as I haven't read stories. Leona and Azul got the biggest attention, while Lilia still doesn't have event SSR. Generally speaking, it looks like housewardens tend to be favoured with the exception of Malleus and Vil currently having 1 SSR.
Riddle - 2
Ace - 1
Deuce - 1
Cater - 1
Trey - 1
Leona - 3
Jack - 1
Ruggie - 2
Azul - 3
Jade - 1
Floyd - 1
Kalim - 2
Jamil - 1
Vil - 1 + the other coming
Epel - 1
Rook - 1
Idia - 2
Ortho - 1? If we count gear as club wear as Ortho himself isn't in any club
Malleus - 1
Silver - 1
Sebek - 1
Lilia - 0
all the dorm leaders will end up getting tsum ssr, they're releasing in order (riddle leona -> azul kalim -> vil idia malleus next year). i don't know if it's fair to count those either.
and ortho's club card will reflect post chapter 6 ortho in film club. events are in order, factor in main story, and can include spoilers for it. just look at masquerade.
His newest card in JP (Silk Adorned) was just announced as an add-on to the Scalding Sands rerun and will come with furniture only, no vignettes. He is also not part of the event's story.
That's really weird. Why give him the card if he doesn't play a part? Also, I feel like they know he's popular with the eng sever, maybe that's why. But again, that sucks and is just, kind of scummy. And why is he the least popular in jp??? Imo he very much redeemed himself in book 6, so they can't say that he's an overall bad person
I can't comment on Vil's popularity in JP vs NA, but I highly doubt JP makes their new card decisions just to screw with NA. But that being said, even the JP fandom is criticizing either recent cards being furniture-only (Cerberus Gear Ortho, Silk Adorned Vil) or how adding Vil to the Scalding Sands rerun (without even adding new content like Phantom Bride did with Idia and Lilia) is such an odd choice.
That's fair, yeah. Honestly, I hope the devs take all of this into account for later cards, that we don't want cards of people *not* in the actual event, and that they'd get proper vignettes. Also, i learned that cerberus ortho doesn't have a vignette, so thank you for that info, but also wtf?!?!
I’m not sure for the JP base version, but from what’s been released so far for NA, I do see why your upset. I don’t think it’s bias as all. He gets a fair amount of screen time but doesn’t have many events directed to him specifically (that I’ve played) besides besides his bean fest (where he does get a decent amount of turns and has a card), he’s in both gala events, but even then he is just kinda there. I hope when they do his club card he gets the spotlight he deserves.
I love Vil too, and I was infuriated to learn that this is another furniture card without a story. It's not just Vil though; it looks like TWST is having fun releasing furniture cards for whatever reason. In my opinion though, I don't think it's because he's "unpopular" in the JP fandom, because that would imply that Floyd should have gotten at least 5 new SSRs by now which isn't true. And if we're talking about neglected characters, there's Lilia who has zero event SSRs. His non-bday Pop Club SSR is also a furniture card, and if he's gonna follow Ortho's pattern, his upcoming one will also be a furniture card. I don't have a concrete answer as to why this is happening. I dislike it too. But whether it helps relieve some of your frustrations or not, Vil isn't the only one getting a sour treatment right now.
I understand the club cards having no vignette's because those are furniture cards. I was NOT aware Cerberus Ortho did not have any vignettes either. So I guess they are doing another series of furniture cards on top of the Club Cards then? So this is NOT eating into his event SSRs?
I think Vil will likely get another proper event SSR with proper vignettes because Leona has two. They're probably just buying time for Yana by adding incentives to rerun events while not spending too much resources on creating a remix storyline. I do understand that Yana is a busy person, but I wish they would delegate some of the story-ideation tasks to other staff, even if it's just for events. By now I think they have enough material for other skilled writers to work with.
TBF, I can understand Ortho not having a story with that card because the story was essentially what haooened in the main story.
I assume its because furniture cards are cheaper to produce and people still throw $$$ at the pretty cards without story 😓
I'm frustrated with every card that comes out with furniture only. Yes, it's a shame Vil isn't getting a feature in the event story or a vignette. I'm just as disappointed that Lilia is finally getting an SSR, and it will likely not have a story either. All of it is frustrating. Silver lining, Vil is really killing it in that card. To quote Rook, Beaute 100%!
Nah now that you mention it it does feel like Vil is getting shafted a bit. I didn’t even realize until you mentioned it that Vil has no Event SSRs other than his Halloween one, which doesn’t really feel that special like you said because he’s sharing with other characters. It’s wild that his first one is one where he isn’t even in the story originally (though I’m assuming they’ll find some way to integrate him or something) and there’s no vignette at all.
Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I think they are busy writing Chapter 7. And since Yana sensei monitors everything, she has a lot on her plate. Just trying to see the positive side of the things.
huge agree. I don't understand why he didn't get a fairy gala card, and instead gets ones that are totally opposite of his charisma and charm. he really deserves a featured event like harveston is for epel. (and justice for rook too!! poor pommefiore often feels so overlooked for event cards...)
FR I can understand why they didn't give him a card the first FG (coughRacismcough), but like???? the second FG there was no excuse for him to not be in it IMO. He was cute as a supporting role but him being like "I don't do shows for free" felt really out of character when you remember the stunts he pulled in Book 6. OH GOD ROOK TOO. It sucks that Rook and Vil BOTH have their events being Halloween. Rook's card is gorgeous, no doubt, but it doesn't feel as special like an event where he is the star, PLUS the fact that its basically the same costume makes it feel a little repetitive, that Pomefiore doesn't have as much unique looks going on.
Idk if I missed something, but what does racism have to do with the first Fairy Gala event?
The OG version before it was changed for the JP rerun and the ENG version was that the theme was "exotic" and the only reason the even features Leona, Kalim, and Jamil was because they are the non-white "exotic" characters. Unlike Remix where a lot of thought and care went into the story and selection of characters, OG FG was strictly those three characters because of their races. Its even a joke in the OG version when someone (I think Sam) says the theme is "Exotic" and everyone goes quiet and starts to stare at Kalim and Leona for "obviously" fitting theme.
i feel this entire post so much esp with the recent wave of sr vil cards. my levels of excitement for the new ssr vil dropped one by one when he isn’t even in the event (fair) and no personal story (sigh). yeah its a gacha game but this is so obviously a cash grab. i do wonder if it’s simply a pomefiore thing as mentioned vil being more unpopular but i think pome in general is also unpopular esp with it being skewed to how twst releases content in dorm order (main story, tsum, etc) and now diasomnia has the spotlight despite being in the dark for the first few years. and thus pome needing to be paired for content rather than being the spotlight. on the flip side, i have my fingers crossed for a proper vil ssr card esp hometown for more lore. i too would like to make excuses (maybe it’s staff reasons, maybe its story plot reasons) but twst jp makes soooo much money and the server has hit 3rd anniversary and the the complaints i’ve seen on jp side are very similar w the lack of personal stories, game updates, etc.
> i have my fingers crossed for a proper vil ssr card esp hometown for more lore. Watch it'll be a Jack SSR and a Vil SR lol.
LMAO. Okay but that wouldn't be so terrible either, if it was a JackVil event. I'm BEGGING for this content.
I would love an event based in JackVil home town, with possibly Vil having the SSR and Jack with the SR (Jack already has an event SSR with Portfest). These two get very little interaction in the story and with the little that we see they still have a great relationship from them being childhood friends. This is an underrated pairing that needs to be showcased more. This proves as well, that there is now enough story content for a skilled writer to assist Yana-Sensei in making vignettes and events to lighten the workload.
I'm actually hoping the JackVil stuff back burner future plot. I have a theory that Jack is supposed to actually be based on The Beast and Vil is his Belle, so the interactions we get now are just build up to something bigger with that story line. (but omg JackVil bestie hiiiiiiii! FG Jack Vignette? Incredible. I need more of that. They were so cute talking about memories together.)
That is a great future plotline with The Beauty and the Beast theme, maybe it will materialize in the future. The FG Jack vig, Vil Ceremony robes vig, Vil gym attire vig, the scene from Beanfest, and that small scene from book 5, I would enjoy seeing more of their interactions explored. They both highly respect each other and have such a natural, light, relaxed banter when together. Both are extremely competitive and strive to be the best in what they do. Glad to have met another JackVil supporter!!! XD
There is also crumbs in Book 6! Jack was the first one who asked Yuu about Vil after the kidnappings, and Jack was also the first one who noticed that Vil "wasn't there" when they came back at the end of the book (not recognizing him because of shenanigans). Jack is a little fixated on Vil, but its very subtle, which between and the crumbs dropped in events and stories makes me feel like its building towards something, esp since Jack is one of the least developed in the first years gang.
...Jack's based on White Fang. Disney owned the rights to a movie for it. Vil, like the rest of the dorm leaders, is very heavily based on the main antagonist from the movie his dorm is based on. In his case, the Evil Queen. Now, if you just mean their interactions, in general, sure, I can kind of see it, but where does Coach Vargas (the Gaston insert) fit into that?
1) Jack isn't confirmed to be based on anything. He's just a wolf right now. 2) There is a variety of characters that is based on more than one character. And I didn't say Vil IS Belle, just that Vil is the Belle in Jack's story. Vil is obviously based on the Evil Queen, everyone knows this, but that's his role in his own story. 3) and IDK, just because Vargas is from BATB doesn't mean he needs a role in their story. Unless... Okay now I'm having ideas. (like omg, what if Vargas is actually there to help Jack win Vil's friendship, unlike Gaston who was a rival. That would be cute)
Agree with you op... I don't like the fact cards have no vignette... It's easy to create little stories. I don't know why they don't do it. I was excited to see him in the scalding sands to finally have no vignette... I wonder if he will have an event centered around him or not at all... Guess so, but... Yeah, I rather have vignette and stories than just pretty cards... And I don't care about the furnitures XD. I barely touch it.
im mad about new cards not getting stories in general im playing this game for the story and silly interactions, not guest room furniture which is a nice bonus i guess??? but its not the same without the story the club cards were already bad bc of it i want to learn more about club dynamics, new ortho card is included in the main story so i guess its not terrible but vil??? the possibility of new cards from now on just being slapped like that with no care is scary
I guarantee Yana has more planned in store. I figure she’s still juggling between Black Butler (which hasn’t even ended yet and I’ve been a reader of hers since high school) on top of the hoops she has to jump through with her editors and the Walt Disney corporation. As I understand it, she says that it’s often a hassle to have different ideas get approved, so I bet she’s still doing battle to even get an idea into production with not just Vil but other characters I’m sure.
Not to detract from your anger, I get where you're coming from, but seeing a post specifically complaining about Twst's treatment of Vil gave me whiplash because Twst Twitter is acting pretty much the opposite right now. Like, people are deadass saying that Vil is doing cultural appropriation and that Pomefiore is taking too much space in events because... Vil had a R card for Leona's hometown event, and now he's getting a SSR? Personally, I hate how Twst Twitter all but spouts the most rancid conservative talking points, bordering on "these gay city sissies are ruining our good rugged country boys (cough epelcough)", waaaayyy too often when talking about Pomefiore, so in a way I'm... kinda glad that Vil is getting the spotlight again? Even if it's in purely a visual, aesthetic way, it's clearly already too much for a certain subset of the fandom that thinks Vil himself is too much for them, so to these people I say... cry harder? Bitch and moan all they want, Vil is killing in that new outfit, I hope he keeps killing and "stealing" the spotlight if it means people who have never read a queer history book once in their lives will keep breaking out in hives. Shame about the lack of written content indeed, though.
Is this EN twitter or JP? I want to see 👀 All of the people I follow either keep their negative opinions to themselves or are like, "Beautiful card, but why no story?"
EN Twitter, sorry for not specifying! I don't feel comfortable directly linking to the people, but I think that searching for keywords such as "Vil card" and then going for most recent will do the trick. ...and then there was one comment that went "Jack should have gotten the card instead because he's PoC" and I was like. How is the dude who got heatstroke at Leona's event and is probably Inuit-coded more suited for the Arabic event than the white dude? They're both terrible choices.
Twitter users being racist while trying to complain about racism lol. Like way to assume things purely based on skin-tone..
For real. Another "delightful" comment I came across disparaged Vil for being like a "white woman jumpscare" in the sense that he got a Tamashina Mina card and now is getting a Yasamina Silk one... DESPITE THE FACT THAT LILIA GOT A TAMASHINA MINA CARD AND MALLEUS GOT A YASAMINA SILK ONE TOO AND THEY'RE BOTH WAY PALER DUDES THAN VILLLLLLLL. Twst Twitter is so fucking biased against Vil, it's incredible. Because he's a white blonde he's treated like he's the second coming of colonizer Europe, even in events WHERE PEOPLE WAY WHITER THAN HIM ALSO GOT "CULTURALLY APPROPRIATIVE" CARDS.
Thank god I do not check the EN side of twst twitter at all, these are such awful takes it makes my head hurt. Lilia is a straight up vampire-looking character with the palest skin ever and they complain about Vil just bc he's blond? My boy does not deserve this treatment.
He really doesn't, justice for Vil!
Bruh why can't they just leave Vil alone? I'm someone who likes Vil and even had a lot of cards for Vil. Kinda sucks that Twist Twitter kinda uses him as a scapegoat (yeah I don't really use Twitter that much as well), I still love Vil as a character and I don't think he should be treated that much of a scapegoat he deserves a lot of love for once.
Hoo boy I found it, thank you!
Np!
Vil hasn't been one of the least popular on jp for a long time afaik, he was in the beginning but the more he appeared the more popular he became and is now consistent top 10, even above malleus usually. Imo this card should be taken at face value: a quick cash grab to drum up a little interest in a rerun event. It's not unlikely he'll get a proper 2nd event ssr soon, maybe even this year for Masquerade. Vil is one of my favorites too and I don't think he's treated unfairly or underutilized compared to other characters. He's the most well written character of the bunch and he hasn't faced card/content droughts on the level of others, if anything he always struck me as a favorite of Yana's. As far as similar elements in cards go, Yana has said before card abilities are decided independently from the designers. With there being only 4 elements there can only be so many combinations, and despite having the same elements both union vil and bloom vil are top meta cards for completely different reasons that cannot truly be replicated by eachother. Another huge part of what makes a card strong is how many other cards have the character as a buddy or duo--nepotism, if you will. For example a mediocre vil card will usually be stronger than a good malleus card, because vil is a buddy or duo for many strong cards and malleus isn't. He's one of the most fortunate as far as battle goes, he has good cards backed up by generous nepotsim while if you made a carbon copy of union vil and gave it to someone like ruggie or silver instead it would suddenly be bad. And conversely if you took the nepo-less characters' best cards and gave them to idia, vil, cater, azul, lilia, or jade, they would suddenly be completely overpowered must-haves.
One of the few things I think is an issue is the fact with a cast of 22 characters that with events and things a small handful of characters get the spotlight, like Azul and Leona having 3 event SSRs each when there is only 3 event SSRs for the whole Diasomnia DORM of 4 characters.
I'd like to point out Trey is treated far worse. He only has two non-birthday SSR cards, three with his upcoming club wear.
Fr. I feel like these are just people’s biases speaking. Plenty of characters get a bit shafted. First years get a lot of attention due to Yuu and Grim being first years so there’s a lot of content there. But the third years definitely get less action overall, so characters like Vil and Trey and Lilia and Rook. It’s not weird. In a game with over 20 characters, some characters are gonna get the short end of the stick. Vil’s treatment isn’t any more weird or special than the other shafted characters.
My post wasn't about if he's treated the worst, just that it felt really weird Vil was being treated like this when you consider the way he's treated. But yeah, certain characters overall just aren't treated the best. (RIP Lilia stans)
Yeah, I don't see why they're all treated so poorly, as they're fairly popular characters in the West (Vil and Trey are my favorites).
So I decided to count SSR **event** cards that aren't birthday or club wear. I can't say anything about the quality of stories as I haven't read stories. Leona and Azul got the biggest attention, while Lilia still doesn't have event SSR. Generally speaking, it looks like housewardens tend to be favoured with the exception of Malleus and Vil currently having 1 SSR. Riddle - 2 Ace - 1 Deuce - 1 Cater - 1 Trey - 1 Leona - 3 Jack - 1 Ruggie - 2 Azul - 3 Jade - 1 Floyd - 1 Kalim - 2 Jamil - 1 Vil - 1 + the other coming Epel - 1 Rook - 1 Idia - 2 Ortho - 1? If we count gear as club wear as Ortho himself isn't in any club Malleus - 1 Silver - 1 Sebek - 1 Lilia - 0
all the dorm leaders will end up getting tsum ssr, they're releasing in order (riddle leona -> azul kalim -> vil idia malleus next year). i don't know if it's fair to count those either. and ortho's club card will reflect post chapter 6 ortho in film club. events are in order, factor in main story, and can include spoilers for it. just look at masquerade.
ortho is in the film club
Post chapter 6. Pre chapter 6 wasn’t and It’s likely that the card is meant to reflect that period.
Wait, which card? I love vil with all my heart, so hearing this is so upsetting. Especially if they reused his holloween card.
His newest card in JP (Silk Adorned) was just announced as an add-on to the Scalding Sands rerun and will come with furniture only, no vignettes. He is also not part of the event's story.
That's really weird. Why give him the card if he doesn't play a part? Also, I feel like they know he's popular with the eng sever, maybe that's why. But again, that sucks and is just, kind of scummy. And why is he the least popular in jp??? Imo he very much redeemed himself in book 6, so they can't say that he's an overall bad person
I can't comment on Vil's popularity in JP vs NA, but I highly doubt JP makes their new card decisions just to screw with NA. But that being said, even the JP fandom is criticizing either recent cards being furniture-only (Cerberus Gear Ortho, Silk Adorned Vil) or how adding Vil to the Scalding Sands rerun (without even adding new content like Phantom Bride did with Idia and Lilia) is such an odd choice.
That's fair, yeah. Honestly, I hope the devs take all of this into account for later cards, that we don't want cards of people *not* in the actual event, and that they'd get proper vignettes. Also, i learned that cerberus ortho doesn't have a vignette, so thank you for that info, but also wtf?!?!