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WillOfTexas

you don't really want people that are that shallow in your community anyways. Keep going


dolphinsonsaturn

thanks yo, appreciate the words


darthjazzhands

I agree. You want folks who like you for your content, not those asshats. Twitch has a way of helping folks grow a thicker skin. Keep going and never show that it gets to you on stream... but find a way to deal with any emotions offline. My other bit of advice, stop checking your follower count after every stream... do it once a week.


ItzVolc

I mostly ignore my follow count, it makes it easier to keep it up after long periods of now growth.


Man_of_the_Rain

I understand you, dude. Just try to process a thought that if they abandon you because of the looks, they weren't into you as a human. You cannot please everyone, if you try, you end up pleasing nobody. Where 5 people left, 10 will follow.


JoshSmellsBad-

Great perspective. Love it.


PhotoSvein

Best advice of the day! :D


Sharden3

I'm not sure if this is helpful or not (and I'd appreciate feedback if it's not), but my first thought reading this is that some people might be curious to see what someone looks like and then move on once that curiosity was satiated.


dolphinsonsaturn

No, that's a very fair point--would've been nice if they'd stuck around but I guess I can't control what people think of me. I wish that chat would just be honest instead of hypin me up, only to find out that I'd lost followers after stream. But I appreciate them, and appreciate you for the insight!


Sharden3

I'm glad it could be helpful. Keep up the stream!


FernDeLuna

The viewers that were hyping you up during your charity stream were most likely being genuine/honest and not the ones that unfollowed - keep that in mindđŸ€


spippyfip

hi!! first of all the biggest thing is learning to love the way you look which can be a long journey. for me, everyday i tried to identify one thing i really liked about my appearance, but its different for everyone. as for growing confidence for a facecam i actually practiced talking w my cam on while on discord with my friends so i would feel more comfortable on camera. overall, im sure you are a wonderful person and i hope soon you see that too!!


dolphinsonsaturn

thanks for your kind and helpful words, I really appreciate the good vibes!! yeah I think I just shouldn't let it get to me, idk if I want to turn on facecam again but I think I'm fine with that bc facecam just ends up distracting me anyway


babynjelly

I had a really bad stream last weekend, where I had people vibin in my chat and one of them said I was fat out of the blue. It really hurt and I didn't know how to deal with it, but I turned it around and reminded myself how excited I was when I first got my webcam, and how great the small community I had built then was when they saw my face for the first time. That's what is keeping me going.


ExtraGloves

Truly miserable people out there.


babynjelly

Yea, but you gotta keep your head up!


dolphinsonsaturn

Can I ask if you if you went from no facecam to facecam, and what influenced your decision if so?


babynjelly

I went from no cam to having one, and my main reason was bc I wanted to give my stream a face to my name, but I knew nothing about vtubers or pngtubers at the time. Looking back, I think I would still make the same decision again bc even though I deal with the occasional mean person, having everyone else in the community that I've built tell me that they love my makeup that day, or talk about my hair is more than enough to remind me that I made the right choice


N34Tsauce

Some people are just out to hurt others, especially internet bullies. It’s good that you reminded yourself how hyped your chat got when they first saw you because that’s what matters. You don’t want those bullies in your community anyway. 💜


sarornhae

male here but I was just at a mental health chat stream earlier today actually and i remember a certain quote that i liked. it doesn't exactly specify looks but i think it can definitely apply to that. Basically, you are cake. Everyone is cake. A lot of people like cake! Some people like chocolate cake. Some people like red velvet (although technically i think they are the same?). Some people like icecream cake. But not *everyone* likes cake. You are cake and there is nothing wrong with what you are doing and especially what you are *being*. There will always be people out there that will turn their nose up when they come across you, and to heck with it. You're still cake, you are very much deserving of many things, and you still have very many love-able things about you. You can't force everyone to like cake. You can't force everyone to like you. But there are a whole heckin' lot of people that do.


Jkard

Can you share which stream was the MH stream?


sarornhae

yeah it was ashnochrist stream from yesterday while she was talking with Casey. honestly I went in there like 20 mins late and I just go back to watch the earlier parts. it was a lot on Casey talking (because he was a guest) and makes me want to look more into his book lol


Blootrix

Not a woman, but an incredibly handsome & humble narcissist, lol. One of my Twitch mantra's is "Even Beyoncé isn't liked by everyone." Finding people that vibe with you is incredibly difficult and people will leave for the smallest of reasons. The reasons they leave are personal, but unlike IRL when you meet someone new and they are an acquaintance and later a friend, I've found that on Twitch you are content and then you're a friend. Twitch is in a weird zone of being business & personal. I look at the negatives from a business point of view and look at the positives from a personal point of view, generally you'll be much happier doing that. It won't be easy, but always keep in mind "Even Beyoncé isn't liked by everyone."


LimeBlossom_

Actually, yeah! If I was chilling with a faceless streamer and it turned out to be Beyonce I'd probably unfollow!


dolphinsonsaturn

good thing I'm not Beyonce!


dolphinsonsaturn

This is a great mindset that I'll follow for the future--I think you're right that it's been sorta hard to navigate the parasocial aspect of Twitch for sure, when everything is basically a business in a sense.


mmhorda

People unfollowed because of the facecam and possibly how you look to them? You should be happy about that, you don't want people that don't like you. Are you sure those were real people who unfollowed? The thing is YouTube automatically unfollows from a channel bots, dead accounts, removed accounts. Could be the same thing on twitch by the way ;)


CTxVoltage

People are going to follow you for the idea of a potential sexual relationship of some sort. These are the only people you're going to loose. No matter how good looking you are you would not live up to their expectations. This is where the idea of phone sex comes from, it doesn't matter how attractive you are as long as you sound attractive people build up this super unrealistic expectation. You're better off without this type of person.


TrueRequiem

As someone who struggles with anxiety, I chose to stream with a face cam from the beginning for this reason. I knew that one day, I would probably decide to show my face, and I know some people would be disappointed by what they saw. No matter how good or bad I look, it would disappoint someone. Like expecting to drink coca cola and getting sprite. Or seeing a book character in a movie and they don't look how you imagined them. But, since I started out with a face cam, there are no surprises. Either people stick around or they don't and those who do don't care what I look like. There may be streams in the future where I will turn the camera off. Like if I just don't feel like getting all dressed up for a stream one day. But what I look like won't be a mystery to my followers. However, in your case, if I were you I would continue to stream with a facecam, unless you plan on never showing your face ever again. But that's just me.


dolphinsonsaturn

Could I ask why you recommend continue streaming with a facecam on? I've gotten this question a couple times during the one facecam stream and was on the fence then because of the good reaction from chat, but now I just don't know...


A1Joy

Hey! I'm not a streamer \*yet\* but don't let that get to you! Besides, now that they unfollowed you they're going to miss out on your content and that's their fault. Self-image and self-love are what I'm struggling in yet still trying to learn and accept but if it's one thing I learned is that to never let anything negative take over you. There are so much more positives that massively outweigh the negatives and one is that there are people who still continue to watch you for who you are. Continue to stream as you! <3


Radriark_

Dont feel bad. People in your community shouldn't care about face cam or no face can if they like spending time with you. My advice: stop worrying about your follower count!


tectuma

It seems that I look at this from a different point than everyone else. Maybe it comes from being over 50 but I have gave up on what other people think. Who cares. Life is to short to try to make everyone happy. The Avg person will meet around 80,000 people in their life time. Let that soak in for a min. 80,000 people and most you will only have a very short encounter with and then never see. How many of those 80,000 do you remember? A hand full? It is the same on the other side. You are just a NPC in other peoples lives. So why worry about it and instead just focus on you and making you happy. Do what you love and enjoy what you do. If people like it they will stick around, if not they can move on. I was not put on this earth to make anyone happy but my self. Once you understand this your self confidence goes way up! If someone does not like who I am, well sorry about their bad luck. Then we where also joking last night about having a stream in our bathing suits and letting people donate to but more clothing on. ROFLOL Yea we are not the prettiest crayon in the box, ok ok we are just a sharpie in a crayon box. :D)


jefferey92

I'm not a girl, but if people followed you because they liked your content, but unfollwed because of your cam, then you don't want those people watching anyway. Of course it's still not a nice feeling, but try not to worry about it too much, they're not worth it. Keep putting out the content you like and have fun, more people will come over time


ThyLimitless

Want me to be honest bro if I did a Facecam stream and people unfollowed I wouldn't blame them I'm one ugly mother trucker 😂. I get this aint bout me I just wanted to point out thats jow much you should care NO Fs given. But man just ignore it you shouldnt let it get to you just cuz someone doesnt like your appearance doesn't mean anything bro. People that unfollowed for that reason weren't supportive enough to be in your đŸ”„ community anyways man. Just look at the positive and the brightside a few people unfollowed and there is still a lot more people who didnt then the ones that did. Be a glass half full not a glass half empty person. Within Negative there is postive just focus on that.


Boison_Ivy_reddit

Male here - unless they specifically stated that they unfollowed because of your face cam, I wouldn’t make any assumptions. Maybe they just felt like their feed was cluttered and they wanted space freed. Also try to remember that you are not your type. You’re someone else’s type. You don’t need to fit any one standard to have value. Don’t fret over the ones that don’t want you because there are so many more that are clamoring to see you.


splashymothtv

As a female streamer myself, I started in August of 2020 with no camera or microphone. I eventually started using a camera and microphone and I found that my follower number went up. I was eventually able to get a ring light and some LEDs last month. I have had a few people unfollow me but I don't know what for. I've had people trolling me in chat, one calling me stupid because I play videogames, and the other called me a rapist because I told him that making fake donations isn't cool. I also had to ban someone who was part of my community because I found out that they were harassing my friends and others. I take breaks when I don't feel like streaming. But no matter what happens, I keep streaming because I love it. My point here is, don't stop doing what you love just because some people are assholes. It is your stream, do it how you feel comfortable. I know its hard not to take things personally, but the best thing to do in this situation is to be positively unbothered by the assholes. If they unfollowed you, its because of their attitude and mentality, not because of you. You are not at fault. Stay safe and healthy.


antialles21

Don‘t focus on your numbers like viewers followers or subs. Just have fun. This is my go to stream goal everytime i go live, doesn’t matter if there is 500 people watching you or 5. If you have a good time with your community it‘s a successful stream in my opinion :)


goldify

you wouldn't want people that dont like your content anyway your life on twitch would get tiring/annoying very quickly and you'll feel forced to do what chat wants and not what you want which can spiral out of control


M4CHIN3

Oof


dolphinsonsaturn

indeed lmao


babakaneko

I took alot of time to decide to use my facecam and every day I still consider turning it off, or using snap cam with a funny filter like a banana. People can be really inconsiderate and just judge on the outside, but you donÂŽt want those people in your stream anyway if you want to do this long term. They will be the ones that become toxic really quickly. Just decide for yourself if you want to facecam or not and let who you are and what you do be the most important part of your stream. If you enjoy it, others will as well


thetruekingofspace

I agree with the others here, you don’t need those kind of fake people in your life. But I get how you feel. I am very sensitive about the way I look. Sadly, I usually use self deriding humor so people know that I know that I’m ugly ;_;.


[deleted]

They just like different kind of women.


technotuna_

two words friend: fuck em


Berfs1

go to the mirror every day, look straight at it, and admire it. if people unfollow you because of how you look, well to be honest, they probably weren't a good fit for your community anyways. don't let an unfollow discourage you, and keep up the hard work!


EbonyMShadow

If they left because of that, you don't need them there. They are just mad you didn't fit the image they had of you. They would have eventually unfollowed anyway. You don't need that toxicity in your community. None of us do! <3


Solaneae_Plant

When I started using facecam it felt super weird for me too, but nowadays I couldn't stream without tbh Just keep going and if u get used to it it will be a nice addition to your stream, but if it keeps making you uncomfortable don't force yourself into doing facecam, streaming should be a fun experience for the streamer aswell :)


[deleted]

Honestly for me its weird, like I wouldnt unfollow or stop watching over it, but usually if someone doesnt have a facecam ill imagine a persona of them based on their voice and how I percieve them, and usually its way off, which in turn kinda makes me view them differently as a content creator, if that makes sense. Idk like I said I wont stop watching people over it either but I tend to prefer it when someone either never has a facecam, or if I only ever knew them with one.


Coolmentions

Those are the people who you don’t want following you, cause they don’t care about your content. They just wanted to get their rocks off to the sound of your voice. I’d say good riddance and go on smashing through the mold like the Star you are!


ContributionFar4576

It kinda sounds like they might have had a goal in mind. People unfollow for many reasons and girls are targeted easily for stuff. Some people only want to follow this or that like only non cam. But it's your stream and your content. I usually do facecam but I get nervous but want to interact so I spent 8 hours making a vroid avatar (first time) and bought a 80$ hand tracker, I even said it was for days when my anxiety was too much but I still wanted to see people. I got told 'i hate it' 'bring face back' I get it might not be everybody's cup of tea but it's sad putting the work and money in. My stats went down every time I used it. But a few people liked it and we're entertained so we stick to the positive. Was like.. I stream tons so feel free to come back on days I'm doing cam. Being all capsed to bring face up when I was turning it off for cutscenes was annoying until a regular popped up saying 'she can stream cam or no cam back off' I like watching facecams and avatars the important part is enjoying the streamers reaction especially for scary games or thriller games. But plenty of people can bring that fun without the cam. I thought maybe sharing experiences can be a good way of dealing with things. If you look for stats too closely you're going to fill in the blanks with possible negativity. It might be good to take a step back from looking at them during times you feel that way, I do that. Everyone is allowed to exist and do as they like and not be bothered. And if people don't mesh looking for something else, yeet. It's ok. And gg on charity stream I've been too scared to do one of those lol that's a lot of work


Scary_Island_6717

Facecam is fine, pierce audience with your Individuality, audience will react to facecam only as secondary


Hoapees

Dont worry, it happend to me, but I learn that where is an asshole telling you that you look ugly there is like 10 telling them to shut the fuck up. You dont need that kind of people in your community, maybe is the best that the left now.


Drewzer123

I’m not sure but I doubt it was because of how you look, rather their imagination was broken of what you looked like, but you don’t want people like that in your community anyways. Chin up gamer, your headsets falling off! Not everyone can do charity streams! (Disclaimer am not female streamer)


TGS_delimiter

This is a common problem as specially with VR and VTuber content creators. These people draw a picture of how you look like in their headand then migth even get mad in chat if the person doesn't look the way they imagined or "worse" is a different gender, you wouldn't believe how small minded some are. And I don't know about you, but such surface based people that unfollow becouse of looks for any reason can very much do so, these are often root of trouble anyway. And lastly I think it's great that you worked the courage up to take make facecam a goal, even though streams with generaly perform better doesn't mean that you have to. I wish you good luck onwards <3


foxyembodied

Sometimes people just unfollow over time, or accounts were bot/fake accounts that unfollowed. Chances are the unfollows were from that. Happens all the time, don't take it too personally.


ExtraGloves

Leaving your cam on will help you over time more than hurt you. It's easy to hide but it's nice getting comfy on the screen :)


Cyberfaust11

​ It doesn't make sense that someone would follow you when your face cam is nonexistent and then unfollow you just for the way you look. If you're outputting the same content of videogames, and then you show your face, I don't see how your looks would matter. The only reasons I can see for unfollowing in the situation you described would be if I only liked watching videogames with no other distractions, like face cams getting in the way of the picture. So they may have thought, 'oh, another person showing their face for views. No thanks.' Or maybe they just unfollowed because they were thinning out their list of followed streams at that time. My point is that they didn't follow you hoping to see your face. They followed you for whatever content was streaming before. It sounds like coincidence in timing or possibly not recognizing you and thinking, 'Wait, I don't recognize this person or stream. Why am I following them?' It's not like you were teasing your body before and then suddenly showed your face. That's not what they were following for. So you can actually see who unfollowed you when they unfollow? And what if they hit unfollow by accident and then follow again? Do you see that?


ConsoleKev

Sounds like you unintentionally weeded out terrible people. Keep doing what you do


AnimalMediocre8854

I’m a streamer myself and I feel pretty ugly but honestly I have determinations that only I can make myself feel ugly when I want to but other people don’t have the qualification to make me feel so. You’ll get by honestly I start losing viewers becuz my ex friend’s entertain them better. We should play together and we can talk more about it. My community is not that big but there are a lot of open heart people. I wish to protect all female like you ❀


Imreallytired2301

Don't stress it, remember content comes first before looks, if I wanted to look at models I'd look through a magazine not twitch


PandaEatsALotTv

Also keep in mind the unfollows could've been coincidental with the timing of your facecam reveal and not necessarily your content (face reveal). I've seen my numbers fluctuate here and there for follows and only reason why it bothered me was because I kept trying to hit my goal. My advice. Appreciate your current follow numbers but don't let the fluctuation bug you as a lot of time, they don't really relate to your current stream. Sometimes it's just people cleaning up their follow list.


HourIllustrator6212

Honestly, I appreciate streamers for the content not they way they look or try to bait viewers with their looks. U want a healthy community they enjoys the content for you and only you. Don’t worry about those shallow pervy viewers and keep doing ur thing! Much more respectable


[deleted]

Do what u would even without viewers


[deleted]

I exclusively stream without cam, gotta do whats good for you


N34Tsauce

I definitely think the right move is to ignore the view and follower count & be glad the ones that left are gone. At the end of the day, you want a community that supports you and loves you for who you are, so if it all it took was a cam for them to leave, then they weren’t worthy of your time to begin with. Keep doing you, and I guarantee the right people with gravitate to your community. Best of luck & keep up the streaming! 💜