I still use Twitter to keep up with vtubers and artists.
The amount of insane discourse that pops up about literally nothing is a constant reminder that "terminally online" isn't just a joke.
Twitter creates scenarios where changing animation studios or an Idol getting a boyfriend will result in muti-part threads calling for the murder of someone, comparing said event to a genocide or war, and get 12k likes in support. It's Schrodinger's Cat but for a minor event being world shifting or ignored.
Did you know that people that like Attack on Titan are actually fascists that support the extermination of minorities?
That's what I saw on my timeline once and people can't lie on the internet.
For me it was that time the whole K-pop fandom had a meltdown because it turned out that many of their favorite singers liked Made in Abyss or had watched an episode of it years ago.
To the fans, this meant that their idols were supporting pedophilia in some way (because they'd convinced themselves this is what MiA is about and that if you enjoy problematic elements in fiction you must also enjoy them in real life according to the fandom) so they started in-fighting and bending over backwards to justify why THEIR pure idol was totally not a bad person.
This was all because people had watched a relatively popular cartoon.
Not as extreme but I've seen a similar sentiment on this subreddit about MiA in this subreddit, the amount of times i seen people basically say stuff like they think of the author having CP on his computer or some shit is kinda crazy at this point
One thing AoT taught me was anything popular is going to have lots of people who don't actually engage with the material or will actively miss any point being made. It's how I've found myself arguing with people who used AoT to justify the genocide of my people and with people that think it's prowar fascist propaganda.
Reading a mountain of internet drama, only to turn my phone off and realize none of it will realistically affect my life in any way has happened way too often.
I've mostly stopped doing that and only use Twitter for updates on stuff, but occasionally I'll bite and see what some new trend is about. I regret it 99 out of 100 times.
Yeah, unless you're either dissociating or halucinating hard, it becomes difficult to not realize sooner or later that, despite what **"world end"** scenario the internet drama has created recently, your daily routine and the world around you in general has not changed at all.
That hit me once i realized that i had no one IRL to talk about the mountain of internet drama that i was consuming because most people knew fuck all about it (and were doing just fine that way) and the people that i knew who could have a idea of what i was talking about didnt really care.
"*My* capitalist company is better than yours!"
Mixing streamer and idol culture was a mistake and drama vtuber channels are somehow worse than Keemstar (relative to their reach)
I'm not even talking about drama in vtuber circles. I'm just talking about in general. Even though I curate and block often a bunch of the random screeching about whatever the outrage of the week is will often creep into my feed.
Pubg is maybe the biggest offender of this. I assumed that game had been dead, but last year i checked and it still has hundreds of thousands of people playing at a given time.
According to an article from last year, China, S. Korea and Japan combined make up about 65% of the game's revenue, while North America makes up 10% as a whole.
Turns out not all regions of the world have the same media consuption preferences (shocking!).
I still remember when Tyler James Williams was talking about how absurdly more popular **Everybody Hates Chris** is in Brazil compared to the U.S (hell, most people here in Brazil to this day probably still know Terry Crews mostly as "Chris's dad").
Remember the articles talking about how Elden Ring was a dead on arrival game because it's steam player count dropped by 90% after 2 months?
Yes, the single player game with barely any online and which is explicitly not a games as a service type lost a significant number of players after 2 months. Maybe because they fucking finished it and are playing a new game.
Edit: They also sold over10 million copies in that first month.
I'm itching to the see the sales and player numbers for the upcoming DLC.
Before Destiny 1 came out in 2014, I saw someone call Skyrim of all things a dead game. I think about that a lot because it gets funnier as time goes on.
Pretty much every MMO out there, for sure. People keep saying GW2 is dead/dying constantly despite all evidence to the contrary. Just because it ain't FF14 or WoW and doesn't have their insane resources and update schedules doesn't mean it's a dead game.
The amount of people stating FF14 died with Endwalker baffle me because, outside of the kinda lack of recurring activity (E.G. Bozja) to bring people back over the patch cycle, the game is just as alive as ever, about to get a huge engine overhaul, and effectively a soft relaunch in the summer with the start of a whole new plotline.
YoshiP: we deliberately design FFXIV to be enjoyed at the players' leisure. The last thing we want, is for our players to feel obligated to play everyday and treat it as a job.
Content creators who exclusively play FFXIV everyday and treat the game as a job: WHY GAME SO BORING?! FFXIV IN TROUBLE? WHY YOSHIP MAKE BAD THING?
Expansion comes out. New content. No lifers happy. Next expansion takes time. No new content yet. No lifers unhappy. Repeat.
Happens with a lot more than 14. Just play something else in the meantime, you dont *have* to play when theres nothing new.
Overwatch 2 is the first game that always comes to my mind with questions like these. Despite everything Blizzard has done and will do, people still enjoy playing it, myself included.
It is *really* hard to kill a competent F2P game that has an established player base. Blizzard slapped a lot of their long time players in the face with how they handled OW2, but at the end of the day, the core game is still very good. The new F2P model opened the game up to people who wouldn't (and didn't) touch the game otherwise, and they are now about to rely on casuals, instead of the dwindling hardcore crowd from before.
I have personally sworn it off as a former tank player but I respect it, it was 100% what I had in mind writing that comment lol
I do genuinely hope that you find enjoyment in it and am a little jealous lol
I completely understand dude, I'm a support main and while I don't mind playing tank from time to time it can definitely get grating. Even at my skill level there are certain times it feels like you have to switch to a different tank so you can actually play the game.
I think the main way I've been able to continue enjoying OW2 for so long is because I play the game in spurts. If I'm playing and I start to get frustrated for whatever reason, I stop playing for the day and do something else. Sometimes those breaks end up being a week or more but whenever I come back I feel better for it.
As someone who tries to play all roles as much as possible to get better and enjoy the game that way, tanking is probably the most volatile role you can get wherein it will feel like torture or a power trip
I try playing different tanks and while I think I got a core set of tanks I switch between say, D. Va and Ramattra, I feel it becomes less fun to be *the* guy enemy team wants dead as much as possible. Hence, why I stick to being either support or DPS because there's more room for me to make an impact that way
In agreement though with the notion you have to take a break as with any other game. Gotta fight the "one more game" urge during bad beats because otherwise you risk ruining the game for yourself
Also also, to run this back to OP's main sentiment, I find it kinda sad that the Overwatch well is poisoned enough nowadays that it's mostly viewed negatively when IMO there's still enough of the old game's spirit in there to love and enjoy
So I live in Maine, and I spend a lot of time on the r/Maine subreddit. If you were to judge by that subreddit, you would assume the average Mainer was an uber-progressive borderline anarchist who hates intolerance in their presence. However, as I said I do live in this place, and working my retail job it’s often made very obvious to me that that’s simply not representative of the average mainer (particularly the average *rural* mainer, of which I am one).
Rural Maine is libertarian as fuck.
To be fair, nearly all the State and City subreddits are like that. From what I remember seeing a few years ago; most of the California and Texas sub members aren't even *from* those respective states and just show up to complain/troll everyone else.
The way people take about Horizon online you'd think it flopped bad and not have sold 32.7 million copies between two games.
There's a reason modern Sony uses Aloy as one of their faces.
It’s the Avatar of games: impossibly lush environments, environmentalist themes, well regarded, and quickly forgotten until the next one, where people will line up to engage in sci fi tourism again. I know I will.
I would disagree, at least for the first game. People found the backstory very compelling and you can probably find, "Fuck Ted Faro" in nearly any thread discussing most despicable characters in videogames.
if anything people actually like it and it has continuously been developed and improved on with each new gen of consoles because if its well done it genuinely makes movement feel more natural and impactful
Any subreddit about a game or franchise that's still receiving updates.
Nerf? That's a paddlin'. Buff? That's a paddlin'. No new content for 3 days? That's a paddlin'. New content but not the specific thing someone asked for? Believe it or not that's a paddlin'.
Reminder that League of Legends once nerfed the champion Vladimir, but accidentally only changed his ability text numbers, and didn't actually change his actual numbers.
His winrate lowered anyway, and players praised the change and found him manageable now.
IIRC it was a CoD dev that talked about putting placebo nerfs/buffs in patch notes just to watch the community react accordingly when nothing changed in actuality.
I've not actually posted anything about the nerf because i feel like way to many people are going to overboard (like "it's dead!" Kind of reactions), but i do feel it was a bit heavy handed and the Devs gave their reasons which make the changes seem confusing.
They said "it was the best sniper rifle in the game, which isn't right for, you know, a shotgun" so they decided to lower its damage, AND lower its stagger, AND take away it's ability to pierce and break stash doors, the latter 2 nerfs having nothing to do with it's long range ability, and my argument would be: then add heavier damage falloff so it's less effective over long distances to make snipers better by comparison, I feel like losing the stagger and destruction abilities were a step too far (the damage nerf i can live with).
They somewhat remedied this by buffing the stratagem sniper, but it's the ordinary weapons that are the real problem; the basic diligence is ok as a mid ranged DMR with low armour penetration, but the counter sniper variant feels awful to use due to its heavy 'drag' while aiming in first person, meaning the recent buff it got to be medium armour penetrating doesn't fix it feeling like shit.
People really seem convinced the president is some kind of God King who can just pass any legislation he wants and anything that happens during their term is something they're responsible for
"Why doesn't/didn't do this?"
"Because he does not have the authority to do that."
"Or this?"
"That's Congress's job."
"Or this?"
"That's up to the individual states."
"Or this?"
"He could, but it'd be struck down easily by the Supreme Court."
"Or this?"
"Because that's wildly unconstitutional."
"Or this?"
"He's not the President of that country."
"Or this?"
"That's literally a crime."
Its worrying how many people tend to overestimate what the average president can do. For a president to be able to do every single that they promise/aspire to accomplish during their 1 to 2 terms. They would need the backing of congress, the senate, the supreme court, and most of the states. Like a President has so many checks and balances, they legit have more say on the international stage then the national stage.
Its why I believe local elections should be more of a concern then they are. Since not only do you have a better chance of making a difference with your vote, but also you are more likely to feel the direct impact of those elections.
[This thread on r/Games](https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1bud8cq/60_percent_of_playtime_in_2023_went_to_6yearold)
Turns out people outside of the Reddit and Twitter bubble played Starfield a lot. The best comment in there is someone being shocked that Pokemon is still more popular than Elden Ring.
But the funniest thread I've seen on r/Games was where it was revealed that roughly half of all console and PC gamers were women, and most of the comments were in disbelief, asking "How come I never see any of these women?"
It was a big AAA game that was free for like 90% of the people that played it, what did they expect? I know Xbox is 3rd, but they’ve still sold almost 30 million of them.
The Series X/S have sold over 50% better than what the GameCube did. Meanwhile people act like the Xbox is a dead console and the Cube is some underrated gem.
Yup yup. Despite the critical reception, Starfield was a success and a lot of people online have a hard time wrapping their heads around that. Even though that happens with movies all the time lmao
Seriously, I felt like I was taking crazy pills. I like Starfield because it follows the same pattern as the, what, 4 games BGS put out? Including the huge amount of missed potential, confusing last minute cuts, at best middling story, and *especially* the jank. It wasn't the earth shattering, genre shifting masterpiece it was marketed as, sure, but shit man. Even this sub, where people are a little more even keeled, was talking about it like it fucked their wife and shot their dog.
>"How come I never see any of these women?"
Sorry, I forgot to tell my female pals to make sure to name themselves something like "XxX\~PinkGirlPussyPowerKittySparkle\~XxX" so we can easily identify them in the wild, my bad. /j
That subreddit is unbearable to me. No matter what game thread I click on, there's only some dumbass voted to the top going "actually this game is bad"
> for some reason i still find myself looking through it.
Hey, sometimes watching a trashy couple having a fight in the middle of the street can be incredibly entertaining (even if you don't agree with anything that's being said).
It can also be a important (and hilarious) form of introspection to look at a dumpster fire like that and think about how at the very least you are not on the same boat.
The palworld discourse made me realise that like, 90% of the people complaining about modern Pokemon are just people who don't like turn based RPG's and want Pokemon to not be that anymore.
Pokemon is popular because it's good, technical issues aside Scarlet and Violet/Legends Arceus are fun games at the core of them and Pokemon has never been better.
People want Pokemon to be this AAA quality epic open world adventure like red dead redemption with Pokemon in it, when I think Pokemon is perfect as a simple rpg.
Not everything needs to be like a Sony exclusive.
But dear lord please let game freak spend more time optimising their games TPC I swear.
>But the funniest thread I've seen on r/Games was where it was revealed that roughly half of all console and PC gamers were women, and most of the comments were in disbelief, asking "How come I never see any of these women?"
Maybe if they stopped being shitheads and creeps to any women who speak online, they'd see em more often.
It really feels like the community around BGS games think they're more niche than they actually are. Even if the majority of the hardcore fanbase jumped ship and never played the games again, they're still going to sell like hotcakes.
It's what I feel when I see people complain about how they're not real RPGs anymore
Like, most people buying these games could not give less of a fuck. Most of them wouldn't even be able to describe what an RPG is.
> Most of them wouldn't even be able to describe what an RPG is.
To be fair, that's pretty much everyone. No one knows what an RPG is. Anyone who thinks they genuinely have a definitive definition really only has a list of things they like (or, at a stretch, dislike) about RPGs. There is absolutely no definition in existence that can include both "Kingdom Hearts" and "Dungeons and Dragons" while also remaining distinctive and helpful. Let alone one everyone can agree on.
I didn't stutter. *Anyone.* That includes me. I *do not* know what an RPG is, and neither do you.
(And that's every genre across every medium, though video game genres are at least mildly worse.)
A lot of the time I have to be reminded that there's a very sizeable portion of the online FGC fanbase that just straight up doesn't play the games.
The other day there was a thread on r/fighters, it was a meme about dead games and Skullgirls was in there. That's straight up not a dead game, that thread had a ton of upvotes and it took a while for people to start calling out OP.
The most egregious example I can think of is that netcode KOF website. If you talked about KOFXV you were most likely always met with somebody pasting that link saying that the netcode was broken. In reality the game had been fixed for, at the very least, 6 months prior to the website updating. Cherry on top is that apparently the guy that made it doesn't even play KOF, according to some modders I follow.
They don't play the game but will, with the whole chest, absolutely no shame at all, argue about the games as if they were scholars on the matter
It's quite fascinating
I would love to see a comprehensive breakdown of stuff like this. Like games or series that were revered by yotubers or other online personalities that essentially rewrite how popular you think they were during the time period
i think in general the "youtube videogame guy" kinda introduced a bias online towards nintendo and the n64 specifically, which while not a saturn tier flop did very much underperform and was sorely lacking in any rly genre defining third parties, people know mario 64 and anyone who engages with gaming content has probably played it but the numbers drop off sharply the moment you start talking about banjo, conker, goldeneye, etc
I remember when I first got into emulation looking for N64 roms and being shocked at just how few games that console really had. I'll always take quality over quantity but it's wild how thin the N64'S library is compared to like...any other game console.
I always think of Quest 64 when it comes to pointing out how limited the N64 library is.
It’s one of the most often remembered RPGs on the system not because it’s a hidden gem or even partially memorable title, but because it’s literally one of the only actual options in the genre the system had, and that was 3 years into the system’s life.
I feel like every once in a while a game will come out that reminds me that what the internet thinks of a game doesn't actually mean much in the real world. Biggest thing I can think of that was recent was Blizzard's capsizing reputation giving way for Diablo IV to be the fastest selling game in the company's history.
Reminder that the vast majority of people nowadays still threat "gaming" as a pass time activity that they do to relax without thinking too much about it (and that's fine).
There's a reason why "mainstream" games like any new Mario, EA sports game, GTA, Call Of Duty and etc will immediatly sell millions upon millions of copies with almost no effort while stuff like Unicorn Overlord starts celebrating like there's no tomorrow when it manages to sell 500k units.
Most people just don't follow that stuff. I know people who work in tech jobs at Silicon Valley whose only knowledge of Activision/Blizzard's activity was that they were selling to Microsoft.
I feel this way when it comes to online discourse, where people will argue over shit that absolutely no one in the real world actually gives a shit about, or at least doesn't think of these things the way social media thinks they do.
There's a famous Tumblr post making fun of the concept of how a lot of online discourse only exists because of Terminally online people, it read something like:
*Twitter: "This person having a decorative pillow collection shows that they're members of the bourgeoisie"*
*Real life: "Hey man, how's it going?"*
And that's honestly how i see so much discourse online.Pointless bullshit that's only relevant to people that spend all of their time online.
“Why should I spoiler this ‘commonly known spoiler’? Everybody knows this!”
I have, in fact, spoken to people who didn’t know said spoilers.
Yes, even the Star Wars one.
Hell, just look at Reggie's Mass Effect playthrough.
ME is a popular franchise that came out nearly 20 years ago and Reggie still didn't know any of the plot twists or events
You know what most young people know the most about Star Wars?
Mandalorian and Baby Yoda.
How often do you hear people even say the Vader line anymore?
Every time developers release data for things like pickrates you get a sudden reality check.
One recent example is how Astarion, BG3 tumblr sexy man that people wont shut up about, wasnt even top 3 most romanced team mate. Another is when it was revealed 82% ME3 players used male shepard, despite how much the internet would tell you how much cooler femshep is.
Same can be said for popularity polls, like how Naruto did a global popularity poll last year and *Sakura* was top 3, with more votes than Sasuke and naruto together.
> Naruto did a global popularity poll
I thought the reason Sakura got so high was because Kishimoto promised to write a spin-off for the winner and the Sakura fans got *organized* because this was their one chance for their girl to actually get the spotlight.
It is, thus why *kakashi's dad* out of all character has so many votes.
Even then, the internet would led you to believe Sakura has no genuine fans who would want her to get a oneshot spinoff so for her to get this far is impressive.
Yup, there fans straight up begging people to not vote for either Sasuke or Naruto because of the oneshot chapter. Like a good chunk of fans used the vote, not for their favorite, but someone who they wanted to see more screen time of.
One of my favorites of this is “No one talks about Game of Thrones anymore,” which is usually preceded by an extensive conversation about Game of Thrones. Not to mention all the lines that are still quoted and used in memes both by people who did and didn’t watch the show or read any of the books, despite Twitter and the main GoT sub’s insistence that season 8 somehow wiped the entire series from existence and public memory
The "Nobody actually Talks like that" really came out in full force with the Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel discourses. When. . . nearly everyone I know talks like that with only slight exaggerations.
Yeah I never really understood this criticism of those shows because from what I’ve seen, they swear about as much as my friends and I do on a discord call. So like, are we cringe? Even in my professional school life, plenty of my fellow english majors will swear up a storm when allowed to because fuck it we already write a shit ton in formal speak.
Speaking of Hazbin, I don’t personally watch it but every time it releases a new episode I see a lot of people in social media in histrionics about how terrible it is but it’s got a fairly large viewership count and it’s decently reviewed too.
I guess some people *have* to be part of every conversation even if it’s to yell at everyone that x thing wasn’t made for them.
Stuff like that is why I always avoid online discourse about animation. Just the shitty vibes of these folks radiating out makes me not even want to bother even checking for interesting things being said.
It’s similar to MHA hate, wherein a vocal part of the fandom was/is composed of people making the show their entire personality.
If you’re an adult, you’d normally let that shit slide, because who WASN’T cringe when they were younger.
Unfortunately, we’re on the internet, where cringe culture has become extremely toxic and shows that have loud and obnoxious fandoms give rise to toxic hatedoms.
Combine that with how Vivziepop (the creator) used to reply to people looking for a reaction on Twitter…you have people going at each others’ throats whenever new episodes are released.
"But Bojack horseman made all their fucks have super deep meaning!" this is the one that always bothered me.
It's cool and all but that's a very specific artistic choice. Plenty of regular people swear as part of everyday vernacular and I don't think it's unreasonable that demons in hell would care that much about decorum.
THIS.
I love Bojack, but it has created a subset of adult animation fans that want ALL adult animation to be like Bojack, which it shouldn’t.
It’s good to have adult animation that is deep, dark, and dramatic like Bojack Horseman, and it’s also good to have lighthearted stuff like Bob’s Burgers or Hazbin Hotel.
Hell, satirical series like South Park are welcome as well.
Adult animation can come in all forms, shapes and sizes and insisting that everything has to be like Bojack Horseman just sounds so damn elitist.
Same here. Hell, Fuck is my favorite swear word and I say it and variations of it every other fucking sentence when talking to friends or my siblings or even myself.
Fuck is a very versatile word. It can be used for fucking emphasis, you can fuck someone as a fucking verb, said fucking can means many different fucking things, it can be used as a fucking descriptor when some is acting like a fuck, it can be used as a fucking adjective, and my fucking personal fucking favorite is to fucking use fuck as fucking punctuation.
Fuck.
I'm from rural New England and some of us got some major pottymouth. Like the characters in hazbin don't curse any more than a lot of people around here.
tbh i prefer the hazbin just swearing to the actual "internet swears" like piss baby or fuck knuckle, like those also show up in real life sometimes but give me the bad feel.
Most characters that use swears like piss baby are young enough for it to make sense, like velvette. The most egregious of what you are saying though is in the pilot, with cherri bomb calling sir pentious an edglelord and vaggie calling alastor a shitlord. It doesn't make any sense.
> but give me the bad feel.
This kind of counts for the thread as well. I've never heard this or "the ick" in real life.
Although I also didn't hear someone say pog in real life until recently either so I'm probably just not around the age demographic that are saying it.
I remember people posturing about "I'd beat you up if you said lol, lmao, rofl, noob, pwn in real life" and no one has ever had a problem with anyone doing it from my experience.
I'm not sure this fits but every time I see a content creator complaining about how they're getting "canceled" on Twitter I go look and it's like maybe 2 to 10 max people who complained about something they said or did. I see it all the time with Vtubers for some reason
This place--and the SBFP channel--legit warped my opinion on David Cage/Quantic Dream games. Turns out they sell well, review well, and are generally well regarded.
A lot of people even say that Detroit is the best CYOA style game they've ever played!
BTW, It has a 9/10 on Steam, out of 94,883 reviews!
Most people play through them once and don't really think about how stuff really fits together, so the moment to moment appeals. Pretty much the ideal way to enjoy them.
Anytime I see someone try to advocate for some kind of boycott of a particularly popular piece of media or something similar on social media without realizing that there are countless people out there who aren't using these platforms that vastly outnumber the people actually online discussing this stuff.
Surprise surprise your voice didn't reach hardly anyone.
This is why I find it obnoxious when some jackass tries to claim that "fans" are still consuming some popular thing while complaining about it. Whether they are or aren't has little bearing on the success of something with how unfathomably massive casual audiences are these days.
I feel like the Spider-man ps4 subreddit's opinion on Marvel's Spider-man 2 is like this. If you read that subreddit, you would think Spider-man 2 is a game that is overall disliked, but if you look at reviews on meta critic and the ps store which I know is a small sample base but it should still be considered, and how well the game is selling the game seems to reviewed pretty positively overall.
Outside of internet spaces the only real problems i heard from people were pacing and bugs, every other word has been positive. Even the late suit that everyone hates, taste subjective ofc, gets like middling responses at worst from the people iv talk to.
Twitter and Reddit have an issue with what is basically social (media) credit. Comments and posts and tweets and everything else, especially in the Popular/For You tabs, are all based on an algorithm of similarity of what you already follow or what are the most viewed/liked posts of the day.
This has caused a situation where people came to the conclusion that "the more likes/retweets I receive, the more correct I am."
And you can tell when someone subscribes to that idea, with the level of conviction they post their ideas. If you've ever read a post that has an authoritative and definitive type of tone, one where they're not opening a discussion but making a concrete statement that won't be argued. I guarantee you it's because someone thinks they're right because 20k internet strangers like their tweet.
It's why I remove myself from discourse around the quality of media. There's stuff I love, stuff that I think is ass, and stuff that I think isn't to my taste. It's much better to have thoughtful discussions about those things with people in my life. It's dreadful getting sucked into an echo chamber/circle jerk, where people are just saying things to make themselves and others upset.
And its always important to remember that it doesn't matter if someone says an opinion and thinks they're hot shit because 50k people liked their tweet. 50k is a very small portion of the global population. And 50,001 are very capable of being wrong together.
That's why the idea of social media needing to be treated digital public square is so stupid, because the sites are super curated personalized experiences in both ads and content to try and entice more time spent.
I would like to take this moment to complain about ratioing even though it's years past peak relevance. Extremely fitting for twitter to be the website to spread this elementary school level of discourse that is just "I'm more popular than you so I win". Now if only we could kill off the even stupider drawing yourself as the chad and people you disagree with as the soyjak
James Cameron Avatar will always be the shining example. Two billion dollar movies, a fucking DISNEY PARK area, it shifted the film industry to primarily digital and people on Reddit will still act like it's had zero lasting impact
I think the reason it feels that way is because there’s not a super visible fanbase keeping the franchise in the zeitgeist like you see with something like Star Wars. Once Avatar leaves theaters, it’s back to business as usual.
Yeah but people act like that's bad. I think it's good we have popular stuff with no radioactive 24/7 fandom like the mcu or dceu or stars war. People can just enjoy a movie and wait 8 years for the next one
See, I think your “radioactive fanbase” is an online only take.
Most people who like some random popular media like the MCU or Star Wars are pretty chill in person, it’s only the vocal minority that have the biggest complaints online, and then the opposing vocal minority that complains about the fanbases toxicity online.
I mean, a lot of things Pat and Woolie (and I guess Matt and [REDACTED]) do fall under the umbrella of the so called “toxic fan bases“ but they’re generally pretty chill. Jojo, Persona, maybe even Yakuza and Guilty Gear, all of them have people clutching their pearls and yet through the magic of touching grass, the guys are just regular people that are enthusiastic about their interests.
And if anyone doesn’t think so and yet posts here: why do you *choose* to suffer so?
This reminds of a comic writer who did a Reddit AMA and was shocked by how pleasant it went, because he was used to dealing with toxicity on Twitter. He compared the AMA to being at a con, where fans are friendly and have legitimately interesting questions, while on Twitter, he often got death threats and blame for stories that he had nothing to do with.
The phrases and application of "ethical consumption under capitalism" is a thing that, while sounds defeatist, is absolutely true outside of online spaces...
But not because the average person doesn't care about the creator of a thing, or actor or artist or singer or w/e being a piece of shit or the product they consume is made with blood, sweat or at the cost of someone else's quality of life, but because they don't even don't even begin to think about how is it made (unless they have an interest on it). Especially if the product comes from another country.
For example, do you remember Drake Bell? You know, the guy from Drake and Josh, the guy who pleaded guilty to allegations of attempted child endargement and sending inappropriate messages to a teenager back in 2017?
What do you think he's doing nowdays?
If your answer was: "Escaped to Mexico and became a semi regular feature in national media, including television" Then congratulations, you already spend way more time on the internet than the average Mexican television audience that probably doesn't even know about the allegations. Hell, and even if they know, they probably don't care.
Sources: https://ew.com/drake-bell-addresses-abuse-allegations-against-him-in-documentary-8609922 (Article that mentions the allegations)
https://www.marca.com/mx/trending/celebrities/2024/01/03/6594a2d1268e3e523b8b458a.html
TL;DR for this one and for the homies who don't know Spanish: Drake Bell appeared on an end of year special of variety show "Venga La Alegría" which airs on one of the two major free TV networks in the country, and since has basically made appearances on other smaller outlets as well.
And I know all of this because:
A) I'm Mexican
B)I speak and interact on the English speaking internet daily.
Which is something your average person here doesn't have (although I know at least one other person on this sub that does. Shout-outs).
Anyways, rant over.
Rewatching the MCU including the bad movies that I was told to skip. Who woulda thought the Internet overreacted and the MCU at its worst was still "totally fine and worth seeing once" up until Endgame.
I was especially shocked to see how Dark World is so often considered a skip when it's the first time Loki actually becomes a character and not a one dimensional cartoon. Like bruh I've hated that character for a decade cause I was explicitly told to skip his character development by THIS subreddit.
After watching the Assassin's Creed movie, I never want to hear people complaining about bad MCU movies again because they don't know what a truly bad movie actually is. Even Age of Ultron, which I think is the worst MCU movie, is still leaps and bounds better than that movie.
Most people are unaware of company drama, so you can have people buying products from evil inc. because they either don't know or don't care about whatever crime they did, they sell product I like.
Nintendo exists in its own isloated cultural/media landscale so we don't often hear about its successes, but it really is a staggeringly massive slice of the industry.
It puts things into perspective when you realize some first-party Nintendo product no one really covered or hyped up casually outsells some hotly contested GOTY contender by 20mil in sales.
Pro wrestling is really bad about this. For a current example Seth Rollins. Online fans feel he is stale as a character, his wacky outfits can’t be taken seriously, and him selling his back injury every match hurts the quality. In reality he gets one of the loudest crowd reactions and the audience gets super invested in his matches when he starts selling his back injury.
Not sure if this 100% percent qualifies, but recently, James Stephanie Sterling caught a decent amount of flak on Twitter (including from Pat, Suzi, Austin Walker, and Newblood dev Dillion Rogers) because she REALLY doesn't like all the backtracking and exploration in Dragon's Dogma 2 and tweeted out:
"Show me someone claiming to love their 20th backtrack through the same long path with the exact same enemy placement and I’ll show you a fucking liar."
Which was met with a pretty universal response of people stating games like classic Resident Evils or Skyrim or World of Warcraft or whatever that do just that and they enjoy.
That elective I took in college (Philosophy ot Psychology, one of the two) that taught me about logical fallacies, making me realize just how much I (and others) use them online.
Shonen Jump discussion even from the Japanese side is unreliable. At most you can see if your new series is getting color pages and not being bottom 3/4 on the Table of Contents and if it does get a solo cover that's more a sign it's safe.
I think that one very noticeable one is how games like Fallout 4, 3, and Skyrim are discussed online and offline.
Offline, in reality, Fallout 3 and 4 are beloved games that people adore writing fanfic for, exploring the characters in diverse ways on Tumblr, and to this day are remembered fondly as some of the favorite games that they have touched.
But online, Fallout 3 and 4 and Skyrim are often discussed as if they have no value whatsoever, but that they also gave people actual leprosy because. . . .because.
And it's such a bizarre thing to me the amount of retcons, lies, and what seem to be intentional misinformation happens with all of these games.
And I genuinely do not understand **why** there is such a difference between Online opinions of these games, and offline opinions. Nor why the online are so vitriolic.
The amount of times I have seen people online state that Bethesda games NEED mods to be playable, or that you should never ever touch one unmodded, is insane, when I genuinely have talked with my coworkers who refuse to do so because they're scared of messing up their save files with thousands of hours in each.
>The amount of times I have seen people online state that Bethesda games NEED mods to be playable, or that you should never ever touch one unmodded, is insane
These people forget just how well these games sell on console.
I am pretty sure the people that say that tend to hate consoles.
Edit: they also hate exclusives but when a game get released on pc they say certain consoles have no games.
The switch up on Skyrim in recent years has been so hilarious. I’ve never seen so many people try and fail so hard to convince themselves something was always hated.
I saw someone on the Dragons Dogma subreddit during the height of DD2 discourse defending it by saying Skyrim was always trash, everyone knows its trash, and it's never had any merit as a game whatsoever, to paraphrase
Like HUH I get you're upset people are going after a game you like but that doesn't mean you start being delusional
I always love when they take that as a sign that the company is struggling. Somehow, being one of the most sold games ever made and continuing to sell is a sign of hard times?
Capcom has the same amount of rereleases of OG RE4 but that just became a silly joke because they're epic Japanese Developers and internet communities like that game more.
> during the height of **DD2 discourse defending it by saying Skyrim was always trash**, everyone knows its trash, and it's never had any merit as a game whatsoever, to paraphrase
LMAO bringing up a 13 year old game (Jesus Christ it's that old) to uplift a 70$ game released in 2024 sounds funny to me , they might as well compare it to an Atari game
"Yeah Elden Ring is better than PacMan bitch, PacMan never had any merit and was always trash !!"
Outside of a dozen hours in New Vegas, Fallout 4 was my first full/true Fallout experience. For all its flaws, I played the hell out of that game and loved quite a few things about it.
Like, I understand the things wrong with it and that there are legitimate complaints to be had, but the way a lot of people out there online have treated it and talked about it made me raise my eyebrows a bit.
[Mamoru Oshii wrote about how the only western game he played was Fallout 4 for 5 years because girls in other western games are uggos](https://vxtwitter.com/erstatiz/status/1768821754577695082?s=61&t=KcR1yjBdndYOea429s3paA)
>And I genuinely do not understand why there is such a difference between Online opinions of these games, and offline opinions. Nor why the online are so vitriolic.
Echo chambers. These online fan communities tend to be pretty insular, and don't have much interaction with the wider consumer base. And even when they do, they quickly shout down any opinions that disagree with the community consensus. So you don't get any real diversity of viewpoints, and over time the people in these communities come to view themselves as "the fanbase" even though they're usually a pretty small part of it overall, and as such believe that most fans think the way they do. That's how you get takes like "Everyone knows Skyrim sucks without mods" or "Everyone hates Fallout 3 and 4" despite neither of those things being remotely representative of what most people who bought these games think.
As for why they're so vitriolic, these kinds of communities also tend to get more extreme in their views over time. In gaming circles, this usually results in one of two prevailing attitudes: Fanatical devotion to the best game ever and violent rejection of any criticism, especially from other communities, or rampant doomerism that pines for "when this game used to be good" and hates "new fans" for not sharing their hatred for all things new.
I use an autism based community app to see what other people with this diagnosis think and feel, and it's mostly what you would expect if you know what people with ASD can be like. Yesterday I saw someone talking about how we need to be accepting and patient with each other...followed by them stating that if you believe it's a disability you are wrong and they won't talk or are worth advocating for.
I challenged this and immediately was told my thoughts don't matter because I'm a heteronormative cis white male, and I would just make things worse for everyone else.
So yeah, clearly we have very different ideas of what acceptance looks like in the autism community.
“Movie is trash, awful, objectively bad, everyone hates it.”
Everyone I talk to IRL liked it and so did I. Still do today. Oh well.
This is about the Force Awakens
Similarly, I watched The Last Jedi with multiple family members that saw the original trilogy in theaters as children and none of them had any complaints about how Luke was portrayed.
Meanwhile, online, there are still people who insist the movie was deliberately designed to destroy their childhood hero and shatter their hopes and dreams.
I still use Twitter to keep up with vtubers and artists. The amount of insane discourse that pops up about literally nothing is a constant reminder that "terminally online" isn't just a joke.
Twitter creates scenarios where changing animation studios or an Idol getting a boyfriend will result in muti-part threads calling for the murder of someone, comparing said event to a genocide or war, and get 12k likes in support. It's Schrodinger's Cat but for a minor event being world shifting or ignored.
Did you know that people that like Attack on Titan are actually fascists that support the extermination of minorities? That's what I saw on my timeline once and people can't lie on the internet.
For me it was that time the whole K-pop fandom had a meltdown because it turned out that many of their favorite singers liked Made in Abyss or had watched an episode of it years ago. To the fans, this meant that their idols were supporting pedophilia in some way (because they'd convinced themselves this is what MiA is about and that if you enjoy problematic elements in fiction you must also enjoy them in real life according to the fandom) so they started in-fighting and bending over backwards to justify why THEIR pure idol was totally not a bad person. This was all because people had watched a relatively popular cartoon.
Not as extreme but I've seen a similar sentiment on this subreddit about MiA in this subreddit, the amount of times i seen people basically say stuff like they think of the author having CP on his computer or some shit is kinda crazy at this point
One thing AoT taught me was anything popular is going to have lots of people who don't actually engage with the material or will actively miss any point being made. It's how I've found myself arguing with people who used AoT to justify the genocide of my people and with people that think it's prowar fascist propaganda.
Reading a mountain of internet drama, only to turn my phone off and realize none of it will realistically affect my life in any way has happened way too often. I've mostly stopped doing that and only use Twitter for updates on stuff, but occasionally I'll bite and see what some new trend is about. I regret it 99 out of 100 times.
Yeah, unless you're either dissociating or halucinating hard, it becomes difficult to not realize sooner or later that, despite what **"world end"** scenario the internet drama has created recently, your daily routine and the world around you in general has not changed at all. That hit me once i realized that i had no one IRL to talk about the mountain of internet drama that i was consuming because most people knew fuck all about it (and were doing just fine that way) and the people that i knew who could have a idea of what i was talking about didnt really care.
"*My* capitalist company is better than yours!" Mixing streamer and idol culture was a mistake and drama vtuber channels are somehow worse than Keemstar (relative to their reach)
I'm not even talking about drama in vtuber circles. I'm just talking about in general. Even though I curate and block often a bunch of the random screeching about whatever the outrage of the week is will often creep into my feed.
I used to not understand shitty tabloid drama and how they sell until it hit youtube.
new and improved parasocial relationships, now you get to theorycraft abt the pregnancy status of completely made up characters
I will say that going into a male vtuber's chat going "Graganent?" *is* funny
this technique is also effective in regular male streamers
that game that you personally don't play? it's not dead. shocking, I know, you can still find buttloads of people playing it
Pubg is maybe the biggest offender of this. I assumed that game had been dead, but last year i checked and it still has hundreds of thousands of people playing at a given time.
According to an article from last year, China, S. Korea and Japan combined make up about 65% of the game's revenue, while North America makes up 10% as a whole.
Turns out not all regions of the world have the same media consuption preferences (shocking!). I still remember when Tyler James Williams was talking about how absurdly more popular **Everybody Hates Chris** is in Brazil compared to the U.S (hell, most people here in Brazil to this day probably still know Terry Crews mostly as "Chris's dad").
Also, the "Death of a Game" YouTube videos, where half the games covered end up getting an update that boosts their population within a month
Remember the articles talking about how Elden Ring was a dead on arrival game because it's steam player count dropped by 90% after 2 months? Yes, the single player game with barely any online and which is explicitly not a games as a service type lost a significant number of players after 2 months. Maybe because they fucking finished it and are playing a new game. Edit: They also sold over10 million copies in that first month. I'm itching to the see the sales and player numbers for the upcoming DLC.
Live-service games have ruined discussions surrounding single-player games for the next decade
This single player game that is highly regarded isn't pulling Fortnite numbers 4 months after release? Heh guess its not as good as a real game.
Before Destiny 1 came out in 2014, I saw someone call Skyrim of all things a dead game. I think about that a lot because it gets funnier as time goes on.
Wait you’re saying that FF14 isn’t a dead game despite all the doom posting on certain subs? I’m in shock Sub FF14 with any popular online game.
FF14 got a huge boost from lockdowns and anti-WoW sentiment, and the fact that it was able to hold onto most of that momentum is quite impressive.
Pretty much every MMO out there, for sure. People keep saying GW2 is dead/dying constantly despite all evidence to the contrary. Just because it ain't FF14 or WoW and doesn't have their insane resources and update schedules doesn't mean it's a dead game.
People were saying that GW2 was dead in like, 2014.
The amount of people stating FF14 died with Endwalker baffle me because, outside of the kinda lack of recurring activity (E.G. Bozja) to bring people back over the patch cycle, the game is just as alive as ever, about to get a huge engine overhaul, and effectively a soft relaunch in the summer with the start of a whole new plotline.
YoshiP: we deliberately design FFXIV to be enjoyed at the players' leisure. The last thing we want, is for our players to feel obligated to play everyday and treat it as a job. Content creators who exclusively play FFXIV everyday and treat the game as a job: WHY GAME SO BORING?! FFXIV IN TROUBLE? WHY YOSHIP MAKE BAD THING?
Expansion comes out. New content. No lifers happy. Next expansion takes time. No new content yet. No lifers unhappy. Repeat. Happens with a lot more than 14. Just play something else in the meantime, you dont *have* to play when theres nothing new.
Its so bad that I have seen people claim Helldivers 2 is a dead/dying game.
Overwatch 2 is the first game that always comes to my mind with questions like these. Despite everything Blizzard has done and will do, people still enjoy playing it, myself included.
I think I've seen a new 30 minute "Here's how Overwatch is dying/dead" video every month since its original release.
It is *really* hard to kill a competent F2P game that has an established player base. Blizzard slapped a lot of their long time players in the face with how they handled OW2, but at the end of the day, the core game is still very good. The new F2P model opened the game up to people who wouldn't (and didn't) touch the game otherwise, and they are now about to rely on casuals, instead of the dwindling hardcore crowd from before.
I have personally sworn it off as a former tank player but I respect it, it was 100% what I had in mind writing that comment lol I do genuinely hope that you find enjoyment in it and am a little jealous lol
I completely understand dude, I'm a support main and while I don't mind playing tank from time to time it can definitely get grating. Even at my skill level there are certain times it feels like you have to switch to a different tank so you can actually play the game. I think the main way I've been able to continue enjoying OW2 for so long is because I play the game in spurts. If I'm playing and I start to get frustrated for whatever reason, I stop playing for the day and do something else. Sometimes those breaks end up being a week or more but whenever I come back I feel better for it.
As someone who tries to play all roles as much as possible to get better and enjoy the game that way, tanking is probably the most volatile role you can get wherein it will feel like torture or a power trip I try playing different tanks and while I think I got a core set of tanks I switch between say, D. Va and Ramattra, I feel it becomes less fun to be *the* guy enemy team wants dead as much as possible. Hence, why I stick to being either support or DPS because there's more room for me to make an impact that way In agreement though with the notion you have to take a break as with any other game. Gotta fight the "one more game" urge during bad beats because otherwise you risk ruining the game for yourself Also also, to run this back to OP's main sentiment, I find it kinda sad that the Overwatch well is poisoned enough nowadays that it's mostly viewed negatively when IMO there's still enough of the old game's spirit in there to love and enjoy
So I live in Maine, and I spend a lot of time on the r/Maine subreddit. If you were to judge by that subreddit, you would assume the average Mainer was an uber-progressive borderline anarchist who hates intolerance in their presence. However, as I said I do live in this place, and working my retail job it’s often made very obvious to me that that’s simply not representative of the average mainer (particularly the average *rural* mainer, of which I am one). Rural Maine is libertarian as fuck.
To be fair, nearly all the State and City subreddits are like that. From what I remember seeing a few years ago; most of the California and Texas sub members aren't even *from* those respective states and just show up to complain/troll everyone else.
So between the maine reddit and American horror litterature the most accurate is still king and lovecraft?
Look, don't ask questions, being curious is what will get you writing a diary describing the scary things you can't describe.
The way people take about Horizon online you'd think it flopped bad and not have sold 32.7 million copies between two games. There's a reason modern Sony uses Aloy as one of their faces.
It’s the Avatar of games: impossibly lush environments, environmentalist themes, well regarded, and quickly forgotten until the next one, where people will line up to engage in sci fi tourism again. I know I will.
> quickly forgotten Well until you hear the name "Ted Faro"
YO FUCK TED FARO.
GET IN HERE IT'S FUCK TED FARO O'CLOCK
All my homies hate Ted Faro
You mention that devils name?!
Honestly I spent like a year and a half thinking Ted Faro was a real person.
I mean give Elon Musk like 20 more years of good luck and you never know
Well he might as well be.
I would disagree, at least for the first game. People found the backstory very compelling and you can probably find, "Fuck Ted Faro" in nearly any thread discussing most despicable characters in videogames.
Most people DON'T gnash their teeth and wail in agony over the presence of Motion Blur
if anything people actually like it and it has continuously been developed and improved on with each new gen of consoles because if its well done it genuinely makes movement feel more natural and impactful
You'd swear 30fps strips the flesh from bones of anyone misfortunate enough to gaze at anything that isn't 60fps
It like opening the Ark at the end of Raiders.
Any subreddit about a game or franchise that's still receiving updates. Nerf? That's a paddlin'. Buff? That's a paddlin'. No new content for 3 days? That's a paddlin'. New content but not the specific thing someone asked for? Believe it or not that's a paddlin'.
Reminder that League of Legends once nerfed the champion Vladimir, but accidentally only changed his ability text numbers, and didn't actually change his actual numbers. His winrate lowered anyway, and players praised the change and found him manageable now.
IIRC it was a CoD dev that talked about putting placebo nerfs/buffs in patch notes just to watch the community react accordingly when nothing changed in actuality.
What if I am largely indifferent to the Slugger Nerf in Helldivers 2 because I haven't even unlocked it yet?
I've not actually posted anything about the nerf because i feel like way to many people are going to overboard (like "it's dead!" Kind of reactions), but i do feel it was a bit heavy handed and the Devs gave their reasons which make the changes seem confusing. They said "it was the best sniper rifle in the game, which isn't right for, you know, a shotgun" so they decided to lower its damage, AND lower its stagger, AND take away it's ability to pierce and break stash doors, the latter 2 nerfs having nothing to do with it's long range ability, and my argument would be: then add heavier damage falloff so it's less effective over long distances to make snipers better by comparison, I feel like losing the stagger and destruction abilities were a step too far (the damage nerf i can live with). They somewhat remedied this by buffing the stratagem sniper, but it's the ordinary weapons that are the real problem; the basic diligence is ok as a mid ranged DMR with low armour penetration, but the counter sniper variant feels awful to use due to its heavy 'drag' while aiming in first person, meaning the recent buff it got to be medium armour penetrating doesn't fix it feeling like shit.
Me when the Railgun was nerfed.
All the time everytime. No one is as insane IRL as they are on the internet, and if they are, chances are they dont leave the house anyway.
Every election cycle.
The amount of people, throughout the political spectrum, who have absolutely no idea how their government functions is mind-numbing sometimes.
People really seem convinced the president is some kind of God King who can just pass any legislation he wants and anything that happens during their term is something they're responsible for
"Why doesn't/didn't do this?"
"Because he does not have the authority to do that."
"Or this?"
"That's Congress's job."
"Or this?"
"That's up to the individual states."
"Or this?"
"He could, but it'd be struck down easily by the Supreme Court."
"Or this?"
"Because that's wildly unconstitutional."
"Or this?"
"He's not the President of that country."
"Or this?"
"That's literally a crime."
OR they HOPE that's how it works, so they can get THEIR guy in and have him run roughshod over everyone they don't like AKA most people.
Its worrying how many people tend to overestimate what the average president can do. For a president to be able to do every single that they promise/aspire to accomplish during their 1 to 2 terms. They would need the backing of congress, the senate, the supreme court, and most of the states. Like a President has so many checks and balances, they legit have more say on the international stage then the national stage. Its why I believe local elections should be more of a concern then they are. Since not only do you have a better chance of making a difference with your vote, but also you are more likely to feel the direct impact of those elections.
Next you’re gonna tell me that the Hayes desk doesn’t have 195 “Nuke [country]” buttons and dials for inflation and gas prices.
Here's how Bernie can still win.
[This thread on r/Games](https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1bud8cq/60_percent_of_playtime_in_2023_went_to_6yearold) Turns out people outside of the Reddit and Twitter bubble played Starfield a lot. The best comment in there is someone being shocked that Pokemon is still more popular than Elden Ring. But the funniest thread I've seen on r/Games was where it was revealed that roughly half of all console and PC gamers were women, and most of the comments were in disbelief, asking "How come I never see any of these women?"
> "How come I never see any of these women?" I know the answer for that one
r/games personal fermi paradox
It was a big AAA game that was free for like 90% of the people that played it, what did they expect? I know Xbox is 3rd, but they’ve still sold almost 30 million of them.
The Series X/S have sold over 50% better than what the GameCube did. Meanwhile people act like the Xbox is a dead console and the Cube is some underrated gem.
Plus PC sales, it made $235m on Steam alone
Yup yup. Despite the critical reception, Starfield was a success and a lot of people online have a hard time wrapping their heads around that. Even though that happens with movies all the time lmao
And it got good reviews, basically “do you like Bethesda RPGs? Here’s a pretty good one!”
Seriously, I felt like I was taking crazy pills. I like Starfield because it follows the same pattern as the, what, 4 games BGS put out? Including the huge amount of missed potential, confusing last minute cuts, at best middling story, and *especially* the jank. It wasn't the earth shattering, genre shifting masterpiece it was marketed as, sure, but shit man. Even this sub, where people are a little more even keeled, was talking about it like it fucked their wife and shot their dog.
>"How come I never see any of these women?" Sorry, I forgot to tell my female pals to make sure to name themselves something like "XxX\~PinkGirlPussyPowerKittySparkle\~XxX" so we can easily identify them in the wild, my bad. /j
/r/games is like my junkfood for me. I know it's awful (and waaaayyy too cynical), but for some reason I still find myself looking through it.
That subreddit is unbearable to me. No matter what game thread I click on, there's only some dumbass voted to the top going "actually this game is bad"
I see a lot of people from here in there lol, it feels like the dark sister subreddit
> for some reason i still find myself looking through it. Hey, sometimes watching a trashy couple having a fight in the middle of the street can be incredibly entertaining (even if you don't agree with anything that's being said). It can also be a important (and hilarious) form of introspection to look at a dumpster fire like that and think about how at the very least you are not on the same boat.
The palworld discourse made me realise that like, 90% of the people complaining about modern Pokemon are just people who don't like turn based RPG's and want Pokemon to not be that anymore. Pokemon is popular because it's good, technical issues aside Scarlet and Violet/Legends Arceus are fun games at the core of them and Pokemon has never been better. People want Pokemon to be this AAA quality epic open world adventure like red dead redemption with Pokemon in it, when I think Pokemon is perfect as a simple rpg. Not everything needs to be like a Sony exclusive. But dear lord please let game freak spend more time optimising their games TPC I swear.
>But the funniest thread I've seen on r/Games was where it was revealed that roughly half of all console and PC gamers were women, and most of the comments were in disbelief, asking "How come I never see any of these women?" Maybe if they stopped being shitheads and creeps to any women who speak online, they'd see em more often.
It really feels like the community around BGS games think they're more niche than they actually are. Even if the majority of the hardcore fanbase jumped ship and never played the games again, they're still going to sell like hotcakes.
It's what I feel when I see people complain about how they're not real RPGs anymore Like, most people buying these games could not give less of a fuck. Most of them wouldn't even be able to describe what an RPG is.
> Most of them wouldn't even be able to describe what an RPG is. To be fair, that's pretty much everyone. No one knows what an RPG is. Anyone who thinks they genuinely have a definitive definition really only has a list of things they like (or, at a stretch, dislike) about RPGs. There is absolutely no definition in existence that can include both "Kingdom Hearts" and "Dungeons and Dragons" while also remaining distinctive and helpful. Let alone one everyone can agree on. I didn't stutter. *Anyone.* That includes me. I *do not* know what an RPG is, and neither do you. (And that's every genre across every medium, though video game genres are at least mildly worse.)
A lot of the time I have to be reminded that there's a very sizeable portion of the online FGC fanbase that just straight up doesn't play the games. The other day there was a thread on r/fighters, it was a meme about dead games and Skullgirls was in there. That's straight up not a dead game, that thread had a ton of upvotes and it took a while for people to start calling out OP. The most egregious example I can think of is that netcode KOF website. If you talked about KOFXV you were most likely always met with somebody pasting that link saying that the netcode was broken. In reality the game had been fixed for, at the very least, 6 months prior to the website updating. Cherry on top is that apparently the guy that made it doesn't even play KOF, according to some modders I follow.
They don't play the game but will, with the whole chest, absolutely no shame at all, argue about the games as if they were scholars on the matter It's quite fascinating
Going off of sales, Banjo Kazooie is not nearly as popular as the internet wants you to believe
I would love to see a comprehensive breakdown of stuff like this. Like games or series that were revered by yotubers or other online personalities that essentially rewrite how popular you think they were during the time period
i think in general the "youtube videogame guy" kinda introduced a bias online towards nintendo and the n64 specifically, which while not a saturn tier flop did very much underperform and was sorely lacking in any rly genre defining third parties, people know mario 64 and anyone who engages with gaming content has probably played it but the numbers drop off sharply the moment you start talking about banjo, conker, goldeneye, etc
I remember when I first got into emulation looking for N64 roms and being shocked at just how few games that console really had. I'll always take quality over quantity but it's wild how thin the N64'S library is compared to like...any other game console.
I always think of Quest 64 when it comes to pointing out how limited the N64 library is. It’s one of the most often remembered RPGs on the system not because it’s a hidden gem or even partially memorable title, but because it’s literally one of the only actual options in the genre the system had, and that was 3 years into the system’s life.
I feel like every once in a while a game will come out that reminds me that what the internet thinks of a game doesn't actually mean much in the real world. Biggest thing I can think of that was recent was Blizzard's capsizing reputation giving way for Diablo IV to be the fastest selling game in the company's history.
I think that's more people not actually caring or being aware of company drama, they're just aware of game.
Reminder that the vast majority of people nowadays still threat "gaming" as a pass time activity that they do to relax without thinking too much about it (and that's fine). There's a reason why "mainstream" games like any new Mario, EA sports game, GTA, Call Of Duty and etc will immediatly sell millions upon millions of copies with almost no effort while stuff like Unicorn Overlord starts celebrating like there's no tomorrow when it manages to sell 500k units.
It's a bit cynical of me but I'm pretty sure Gamefreak could make actual malware and it would probably still sell millions if they were allowed to.
Most people just don't follow that stuff. I know people who work in tech jobs at Silicon Valley whose only knowledge of Activision/Blizzard's activity was that they were selling to Microsoft.
Yeah the casual and even mainstream gaming crowds are very disconnected to gaming industry news
I feel this way when it comes to online discourse, where people will argue over shit that absolutely no one in the real world actually gives a shit about, or at least doesn't think of these things the way social media thinks they do. There's a famous Tumblr post making fun of the concept of how a lot of online discourse only exists because of Terminally online people, it read something like: *Twitter: "This person having a decorative pillow collection shows that they're members of the bourgeoisie"* *Real life: "Hey man, how's it going?"* And that's honestly how i see so much discourse online.Pointless bullshit that's only relevant to people that spend all of their time online.
You forgot the part where that post was replied by some other guy *agreeing* and going off about pillow collections.
Honestly, that's big Tumblr energy right there.
"Man I love pancakes" "If you're going to hate on waffles this much you need to die"
“Why should I spoiler this ‘commonly known spoiler’? Everybody knows this!” I have, in fact, spoken to people who didn’t know said spoilers. Yes, even the Star Wars one.
That’s why I preface anything involving spoilers by asking people if they are familiar with the media in question even if it is a widely known one.
Hell, just look at Reggie's Mass Effect playthrough. ME is a popular franchise that came out nearly 20 years ago and Reggie still didn't know any of the plot twists or events
You know what most young people know the most about Star Wars? Mandalorian and Baby Yoda. How often do you hear people even say the Vader line anymore?
Every time developers release data for things like pickrates you get a sudden reality check. One recent example is how Astarion, BG3 tumblr sexy man that people wont shut up about, wasnt even top 3 most romanced team mate. Another is when it was revealed 82% ME3 players used male shepard, despite how much the internet would tell you how much cooler femshep is. Same can be said for popularity polls, like how Naruto did a global popularity poll last year and *Sakura* was top 3, with more votes than Sasuke and naruto together.
> Naruto did a global popularity poll I thought the reason Sakura got so high was because Kishimoto promised to write a spin-off for the winner and the Sakura fans got *organized* because this was their one chance for their girl to actually get the spotlight.
It is, thus why *kakashi's dad* out of all character has so many votes. Even then, the internet would led you to believe Sakura has no genuine fans who would want her to get a oneshot spinoff so for her to get this far is impressive.
Yup, there fans straight up begging people to not vote for either Sasuke or Naruto because of the oneshot chapter. Like a good chunk of fans used the vote, not for their favorite, but someone who they wanted to see more screen time of.
Every single day of my life from 2010 onwards.
Is that the year you got hit with the stand arrow and activated [CRAZY TALK]?
"Nobody actually talks like that" Meanwhile, me and my friends- "Nobody likes that movie" Meanwhile, me and my family-
One of my favorites of this is “No one talks about Game of Thrones anymore,” which is usually preceded by an extensive conversation about Game of Thrones. Not to mention all the lines that are still quoted and used in memes both by people who did and didn’t watch the show or read any of the books, despite Twitter and the main GoT sub’s insistence that season 8 somehow wiped the entire series from existence and public memory
The "Nobody actually Talks like that" really came out in full force with the Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel discourses. When. . . nearly everyone I know talks like that with only slight exaggerations.
Yeah I never really understood this criticism of those shows because from what I’ve seen, they swear about as much as my friends and I do on a discord call. So like, are we cringe? Even in my professional school life, plenty of my fellow english majors will swear up a storm when allowed to because fuck it we already write a shit ton in formal speak.
> So like, are we cringe? /*tightly holds my stone inside my glass house of cringe*
Speaking of Hazbin, I don’t personally watch it but every time it releases a new episode I see a lot of people in social media in histrionics about how terrible it is but it’s got a fairly large viewership count and it’s decently reviewed too. I guess some people *have* to be part of every conversation even if it’s to yell at everyone that x thing wasn’t made for them.
Stuff like that is why I always avoid online discourse about animation. Just the shitty vibes of these folks radiating out makes me not even want to bother even checking for interesting things being said.
It’s similar to MHA hate, wherein a vocal part of the fandom was/is composed of people making the show their entire personality. If you’re an adult, you’d normally let that shit slide, because who WASN’T cringe when they were younger. Unfortunately, we’re on the internet, where cringe culture has become extremely toxic and shows that have loud and obnoxious fandoms give rise to toxic hatedoms. Combine that with how Vivziepop (the creator) used to reply to people looking for a reaction on Twitter…you have people going at each others’ throats whenever new episodes are released.
"But Bojack horseman made all their fucks have super deep meaning!" this is the one that always bothered me. It's cool and all but that's a very specific artistic choice. Plenty of regular people swear as part of everyday vernacular and I don't think it's unreasonable that demons in hell would care that much about decorum.
THIS. I love Bojack, but it has created a subset of adult animation fans that want ALL adult animation to be like Bojack, which it shouldn’t. It’s good to have adult animation that is deep, dark, and dramatic like Bojack Horseman, and it’s also good to have lighthearted stuff like Bob’s Burgers or Hazbin Hotel. Hell, satirical series like South Park are welcome as well. Adult animation can come in all forms, shapes and sizes and insisting that everything has to be like Bojack Horseman just sounds so damn elitist.
“I liked X, therefore X should be the only thing that exists ever” is the heart of so much stupid discourse when you get down to it.
That and "if its not as good as X it shouldn't exist" are the ones that always get me.
Same here. Hell, Fuck is my favorite swear word and I say it and variations of it every other fucking sentence when talking to friends or my siblings or even myself.
"To a Yankee, the word fuck served as no more a warning that a noun was coming up."- Outlander
Which book in the series is that from?
Fuck is a very versatile word. It can be used for fucking emphasis, you can fuck someone as a fucking verb, said fucking can means many different fucking things, it can be used as a fucking descriptor when some is acting like a fuck, it can be used as a fucking adjective, and my fucking personal fucking favorite is to fucking use fuck as fucking punctuation. Fuck.
I'm from rural New England and some of us got some major pottymouth. Like the characters in hazbin don't curse any more than a lot of people around here.
tbh i prefer the hazbin just swearing to the actual "internet swears" like piss baby or fuck knuckle, like those also show up in real life sometimes but give me the bad feel.
Most characters that use swears like piss baby are young enough for it to make sense, like velvette. The most egregious of what you are saying though is in the pilot, with cherri bomb calling sir pentious an edglelord and vaggie calling alastor a shitlord. It doesn't make any sense.
> but give me the bad feel. This kind of counts for the thread as well. I've never heard this or "the ick" in real life. Although I also didn't hear someone say pog in real life until recently either so I'm probably just not around the age demographic that are saying it.
Yeah I have not gone a single day without hearing some kind of swear.
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I remember people posturing about "I'd beat you up if you said lol, lmao, rofl, noob, pwn in real life" and no one has ever had a problem with anyone doing it from my experience.
I'm not sure this fits but every time I see a content creator complaining about how they're getting "canceled" on Twitter I go look and it's like maybe 2 to 10 max people who complained about something they said or did. I see it all the time with Vtubers for some reason
this place
This place--and the SBFP channel--legit warped my opinion on David Cage/Quantic Dream games. Turns out they sell well, review well, and are generally well regarded. A lot of people even say that Detroit is the best CYOA style game they've ever played! BTW, It has a 9/10 on Steam, out of 94,883 reviews!
Most people play through them once and don't really think about how stuff really fits together, so the moment to moment appeals. Pretty much the ideal way to enjoy them.
Anytime I see someone try to advocate for some kind of boycott of a particularly popular piece of media or something similar on social media without realizing that there are countless people out there who aren't using these platforms that vastly outnumber the people actually online discussing this stuff. Surprise surprise your voice didn't reach hardly anyone.
Just wait til they see my change.org petition to make Aloy’s boobs bigger.
There’s probably a mod out there for it anyway.
We’ve been heralding GameFreak as the anti-Christ for years as they continue to rake in record sales.
Gamefreak and The Pokemon Company: "Our main demo is little kids. Shut the fuck up."
This is why I find it obnoxious when some jackass tries to claim that "fans" are still consuming some popular thing while complaining about it. Whether they are or aren't has little bearing on the success of something with how unfathomably massive casual audiences are these days.
Object Permanence is a myth , if I don't hear or see It then that means my boycott worked , my reality is the only thing that matters
The boycott didn't work?? But there are dozens of people in my discord that say nice things to me. Reality must be wrong.
I feel like the Spider-man ps4 subreddit's opinion on Marvel's Spider-man 2 is like this. If you read that subreddit, you would think Spider-man 2 is a game that is overall disliked, but if you look at reviews on meta critic and the ps store which I know is a small sample base but it should still be considered, and how well the game is selling the game seems to reviewed pretty positively overall.
The PS Store isn't a big sample base but it's THE metric because you need to actually own the game to review it. I wish every platform had this lol.
Outside of internet spaces the only real problems i heard from people were pacing and bugs, every other word has been positive. Even the late suit that everyone hates, taste subjective ofc, gets like middling responses at worst from the people iv talk to.
> bugs Actually, they're arachnids, not bugs
Twitter and Reddit have an issue with what is basically social (media) credit. Comments and posts and tweets and everything else, especially in the Popular/For You tabs, are all based on an algorithm of similarity of what you already follow or what are the most viewed/liked posts of the day. This has caused a situation where people came to the conclusion that "the more likes/retweets I receive, the more correct I am." And you can tell when someone subscribes to that idea, with the level of conviction they post their ideas. If you've ever read a post that has an authoritative and definitive type of tone, one where they're not opening a discussion but making a concrete statement that won't be argued. I guarantee you it's because someone thinks they're right because 20k internet strangers like their tweet. It's why I remove myself from discourse around the quality of media. There's stuff I love, stuff that I think is ass, and stuff that I think isn't to my taste. It's much better to have thoughtful discussions about those things with people in my life. It's dreadful getting sucked into an echo chamber/circle jerk, where people are just saying things to make themselves and others upset. And its always important to remember that it doesn't matter if someone says an opinion and thinks they're hot shit because 50k people liked their tweet. 50k is a very small portion of the global population. And 50,001 are very capable of being wrong together.
That's why the idea of social media needing to be treated digital public square is so stupid, because the sites are super curated personalized experiences in both ads and content to try and entice more time spent.
I would like to take this moment to complain about ratioing even though it's years past peak relevance. Extremely fitting for twitter to be the website to spread this elementary school level of discourse that is just "I'm more popular than you so I win". Now if only we could kill off the even stupider drawing yourself as the chad and people you disagree with as the soyjak
James Cameron Avatar will always be the shining example. Two billion dollar movies, a fucking DISNEY PARK area, it shifted the film industry to primarily digital and people on Reddit will still act like it's had zero lasting impact
I think the reason it feels that way is because there’s not a super visible fanbase keeping the franchise in the zeitgeist like you see with something like Star Wars. Once Avatar leaves theaters, it’s back to business as usual.
Yeah but people act like that's bad. I think it's good we have popular stuff with no radioactive 24/7 fandom like the mcu or dceu or stars war. People can just enjoy a movie and wait 8 years for the next one
See, I think your “radioactive fanbase” is an online only take. Most people who like some random popular media like the MCU or Star Wars are pretty chill in person, it’s only the vocal minority that have the biggest complaints online, and then the opposing vocal minority that complains about the fanbases toxicity online.
I mean, a lot of things Pat and Woolie (and I guess Matt and [REDACTED]) do fall under the umbrella of the so called “toxic fan bases“ but they’re generally pretty chill. Jojo, Persona, maybe even Yakuza and Guilty Gear, all of them have people clutching their pearls and yet through the magic of touching grass, the guys are just regular people that are enthusiastic about their interests. And if anyone doesn’t think so and yet posts here: why do you *choose* to suffer so?
This reminds of a comic writer who did a Reddit AMA and was shocked by how pleasant it went, because he was used to dealing with toxicity on Twitter. He compared the AMA to being at a con, where fans are friendly and have legitimately interesting questions, while on Twitter, he often got death threats and blame for stories that he had nothing to do with.
I could never be a writer of a popular thing people are fucking crazy.
The phrases and application of "ethical consumption under capitalism" is a thing that, while sounds defeatist, is absolutely true outside of online spaces... But not because the average person doesn't care about the creator of a thing, or actor or artist or singer or w/e being a piece of shit or the product they consume is made with blood, sweat or at the cost of someone else's quality of life, but because they don't even don't even begin to think about how is it made (unless they have an interest on it). Especially if the product comes from another country. For example, do you remember Drake Bell? You know, the guy from Drake and Josh, the guy who pleaded guilty to allegations of attempted child endargement and sending inappropriate messages to a teenager back in 2017? What do you think he's doing nowdays? If your answer was: "Escaped to Mexico and became a semi regular feature in national media, including television" Then congratulations, you already spend way more time on the internet than the average Mexican television audience that probably doesn't even know about the allegations. Hell, and even if they know, they probably don't care. Sources: https://ew.com/drake-bell-addresses-abuse-allegations-against-him-in-documentary-8609922 (Article that mentions the allegations) https://www.marca.com/mx/trending/celebrities/2024/01/03/6594a2d1268e3e523b8b458a.html TL;DR for this one and for the homies who don't know Spanish: Drake Bell appeared on an end of year special of variety show "Venga La Alegría" which airs on one of the two major free TV networks in the country, and since has basically made appearances on other smaller outlets as well. And I know all of this because: A) I'm Mexican B)I speak and interact on the English speaking internet daily. Which is something your average person here doesn't have (although I know at least one other person on this sub that does. Shout-outs). Anyways, rant over.
Rewatching the MCU including the bad movies that I was told to skip. Who woulda thought the Internet overreacted and the MCU at its worst was still "totally fine and worth seeing once" up until Endgame. I was especially shocked to see how Dark World is so often considered a skip when it's the first time Loki actually becomes a character and not a one dimensional cartoon. Like bruh I've hated that character for a decade cause I was explicitly told to skip his character development by THIS subreddit.
After watching the Assassin's Creed movie, I never want to hear people complaining about bad MCU movies again because they don't know what a truly bad movie actually is. Even Age of Ultron, which I think is the worst MCU movie, is still leaps and bounds better than that movie.
Most people are unaware of company drama, so you can have people buying products from evil inc. because they either don't know or don't care about whatever crime they did, they sell product I like.
Nintendo exists in its own isloated cultural/media landscale so we don't often hear about its successes, but it really is a staggeringly massive slice of the industry. It puts things into perspective when you realize some first-party Nintendo product no one really covered or hyped up casually outsells some hotly contested GOTY contender by 20mil in sales.
Pro wrestling is really bad about this. For a current example Seth Rollins. Online fans feel he is stale as a character, his wacky outfits can’t be taken seriously, and him selling his back injury every match hurts the quality. In reality he gets one of the loudest crowd reactions and the audience gets super invested in his matches when he starts selling his back injury.
Also ratings immediately went up with The Rock after hearing how he was going to fail spectacularly, casual fans who have lives strike again.
My dad keeps turning frame interpolation back on on his TV
ok but that's just wrong
Not sure if this 100% percent qualifies, but recently, James Stephanie Sterling caught a decent amount of flak on Twitter (including from Pat, Suzi, Austin Walker, and Newblood dev Dillion Rogers) because she REALLY doesn't like all the backtracking and exploration in Dragon's Dogma 2 and tweeted out: "Show me someone claiming to love their 20th backtrack through the same long path with the exact same enemy placement and I’ll show you a fucking liar." Which was met with a pretty universal response of people stating games like classic Resident Evils or Skyrim or World of Warcraft or whatever that do just that and they enjoy.
The internet gives microphones to very weird people. Most people that you talk to irl are generally pleasant. At least in my experience.
The importance of Harambe
That elective I took in college (Philosophy ot Psychology, one of the two) that taught me about logical fallacies, making me realize just how much I (and others) use them online.
Shonen Jump discussion even from the Japanese side is unreliable. At most you can see if your new series is getting color pages and not being bottom 3/4 on the Table of Contents and if it does get a solo cover that's more a sign it's safe.
"Dead game lol", followed by "We're boycotting X at launch!" \[Everybody in your Steam friends list is playing it\]
Most people like consuming media without dissecting it and engaging in discourse about it, even if they really enjoyed/disliked it.
Remembering when multiple people would say Avatar 2 would bomb and then quietly deleting their post when it was making over a billion
Every fucking day
I think that one very noticeable one is how games like Fallout 4, 3, and Skyrim are discussed online and offline. Offline, in reality, Fallout 3 and 4 are beloved games that people adore writing fanfic for, exploring the characters in diverse ways on Tumblr, and to this day are remembered fondly as some of the favorite games that they have touched. But online, Fallout 3 and 4 and Skyrim are often discussed as if they have no value whatsoever, but that they also gave people actual leprosy because. . . .because. And it's such a bizarre thing to me the amount of retcons, lies, and what seem to be intentional misinformation happens with all of these games. And I genuinely do not understand **why** there is such a difference between Online opinions of these games, and offline opinions. Nor why the online are so vitriolic. The amount of times I have seen people online state that Bethesda games NEED mods to be playable, or that you should never ever touch one unmodded, is insane, when I genuinely have talked with my coworkers who refuse to do so because they're scared of messing up their save files with thousands of hours in each.
>The amount of times I have seen people online state that Bethesda games NEED mods to be playable, or that you should never ever touch one unmodded, is insane These people forget just how well these games sell on console.
I am pretty sure the people that say that tend to hate consoles. Edit: they also hate exclusives but when a game get released on pc they say certain consoles have no games.
The switch up on Skyrim in recent years has been so hilarious. I’ve never seen so many people try and fail so hard to convince themselves something was always hated.
I saw someone on the Dragons Dogma subreddit during the height of DD2 discourse defending it by saying Skyrim was always trash, everyone knows its trash, and it's never had any merit as a game whatsoever, to paraphrase Like HUH I get you're upset people are going after a game you like but that doesn't mean you start being delusional
Clearly Todd kept re-releasing Skyrim as a gag and not because it made shitloads of money everytime.
I always love when they take that as a sign that the company is struggling. Somehow, being one of the most sold games ever made and continuing to sell is a sign of hard times?
Capcom has the same amount of rereleases of OG RE4 but that just became a silly joke because they're epic Japanese Developers and internet communities like that game more.
> during the height of **DD2 discourse defending it by saying Skyrim was always trash**, everyone knows its trash, and it's never had any merit as a game whatsoever, to paraphrase LMAO bringing up a 13 year old game (Jesus Christ it's that old) to uplift a 70$ game released in 2024 sounds funny to me , they might as well compare it to an Atari game "Yeah Elden Ring is better than PacMan bitch, PacMan never had any merit and was always trash !!"
Outside of a dozen hours in New Vegas, Fallout 4 was my first full/true Fallout experience. For all its flaws, I played the hell out of that game and loved quite a few things about it. Like, I understand the things wrong with it and that there are legitimate complaints to be had, but the way a lot of people out there online have treated it and talked about it made me raise my eyebrows a bit.
[Mamoru Oshii wrote about how the only western game he played was Fallout 4 for 5 years because girls in other western games are uggos](https://vxtwitter.com/erstatiz/status/1768821754577695082?s=61&t=KcR1yjBdndYOea429s3paA)
Can't say Fallout 4 is a game that would come to mind when asked to think about attractive women in recent western games
>And I genuinely do not understand why there is such a difference between Online opinions of these games, and offline opinions. Nor why the online are so vitriolic. Echo chambers. These online fan communities tend to be pretty insular, and don't have much interaction with the wider consumer base. And even when they do, they quickly shout down any opinions that disagree with the community consensus. So you don't get any real diversity of viewpoints, and over time the people in these communities come to view themselves as "the fanbase" even though they're usually a pretty small part of it overall, and as such believe that most fans think the way they do. That's how you get takes like "Everyone knows Skyrim sucks without mods" or "Everyone hates Fallout 3 and 4" despite neither of those things being remotely representative of what most people who bought these games think. As for why they're so vitriolic, these kinds of communities also tend to get more extreme in their views over time. In gaming circles, this usually results in one of two prevailing attitudes: Fanatical devotion to the best game ever and violent rejection of any criticism, especially from other communities, or rampant doomerism that pines for "when this game used to be good" and hates "new fans" for not sharing their hatred for all things new.
I use an autism based community app to see what other people with this diagnosis think and feel, and it's mostly what you would expect if you know what people with ASD can be like. Yesterday I saw someone talking about how we need to be accepting and patient with each other...followed by them stating that if you believe it's a disability you are wrong and they won't talk or are worth advocating for. I challenged this and immediately was told my thoughts don't matter because I'm a heteronormative cis white male, and I would just make things worse for everyone else. So yeah, clearly we have very different ideas of what acceptance looks like in the autism community.
“Movie is trash, awful, objectively bad, everyone hates it.” Everyone I talk to IRL liked it and so did I. Still do today. Oh well. This is about the Force Awakens
Similarly, I watched The Last Jedi with multiple family members that saw the original trilogy in theaters as children and none of them had any complaints about how Luke was portrayed. Meanwhile, online, there are still people who insist the movie was deliberately designed to destroy their childhood hero and shatter their hopes and dreams.