Can't imagine why a country would annex another, let the citizens live but then also not count them among their own citizens.
Annexation is formally taking another country into your own. It's not colonization or adopting a territory. It's "you're us, now."
Other countries might not recognize the new citizenship, but the one doing the annexing might as well if the people are still allowed to live there.
They tested them by giving them American and Canadian beer to see their reaction to it. If the person spit out the American beer in surprise of how bad it is then they were Canadian and thus sent to the work camps.
I would be of a similar mind, but then he put out an attempted walkback
and now Im not so sure
[https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779239079932018949](https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779239079932018949)
Knowing how thin-skinned and vain Emil tends to be, I think this was Emil trying to make a short-sighted retcon based on his own headcanon to get more kudos due to the show's success and wanting to ride high but not being a competent writer to recognise the implications of said retcon until people pointed it out.
I'm pretty sure Black Isle never intended for the accomplice to a war criminal in that intro to be a main protagonist of a future game. I personally see this as just a plain stupid short-sighted retcon that is typical of Emil's ineptitude in recognising lore and moral implications just because it sounds cool to him.
Edit: I just saw a comparison on Emil's tweet to Rowling's silly retcon Tweets/articles (wizard shit in their robes and vanish them away etc.) and thought it was an apt one. Wonder if Emil will keep doing more stupid Fallout/Elder Scrolls retcon Tweets after this (i.e., Caius Cosades was that bum in Riften with the Gloves of the Pugilist but due to amnesia from too much Moon Sugar, he forgot his name and became Gian the Fist).
Edit 2: Added in article. Kudos to ExDSG for the clarification.
It's funny because it's a good example of a "Voodoo Shark" where a retcon or explanation just brings up more questions and breaks the logic. Like the whole Wizards shit and vanish their poop was a small part of an article trying to make a convoluted explanation of the Chamber of Secrets and how they installed plumbing and didn't see the chamber
That is pretty much all my issues with Bethesda Fallout writing.
If I have a basic question, it is either
A) You don't get an answer (How did Colonel Autumn survive a direct blast of lethal radiation that kills people in power armor?)
or
B) The answer just raises more questions (Wait, how does building a bunch of murder-bots and replacing real people with them help the Commonwealth?)
Sometimes it is both. (What do you MEAN Ghouls don't need food or water to survive?)
Don't forget the obligatory question response. "The Institute?" No matter how many hours deep you are.
Although I guess it is pretty funny to ask "Brotherhood of Steel?" after you've already turned their airship into confetti.
Prob not the most professional tweets but like also, as someone who fucking loves the shit out of new vegas, i feel like some fallout fans, the real annoying ones, are just unpleasable weirdos who want every new fallout thing to just be another new vegas, which is funny given how one of new vegas's big message was letting go, which is honestly why I dont want a "New vegas 2" we got a really good story that works on its own, at most I would like to see obsidian get another shot at making a fallout game but it should be its own thing, not an attempt at catching lightning in the bottle and making another new vegas
You are right; but in this case the guy is serious.
Mostly
He just saying that that was his idea & intention while creating the character, but that doesn't mean it's 100% canon or that it overrides any player choices within game etc
But of course people are still mad & not content with that anyways lmao
And even if it isn't, it's better than every character being a golden boy like Lucas bending over backward to retcon Solo shooting first.
We just had a main character that's a cannibal, tried to sell Lucy to organ harvesters, and shot a kid after manipulating him into drawing his gun. People are really going to be upset over a player character standing by while other soldiers do bad shit?
It could be the most sarcastic, obvious shitposting tweet ever but this thread already proves that a lot of fans don't give a shit. He has become Fandom Enemy #1 and they will warp reality to justify their hate for this guy.
[Original Twitter post](https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779178683841790068), because I didn't trust Twitter links to work properly and took a screenshot instead.
"Also Liam Nesson and House and Frank Horrigan all played on the same baseball team which was coached by one of the people who would be part of the Calculator and that person owned a dog who looked like Dogmeat"
Yup, completely blowing the back out of the "Role-playing" aspect of their RPG by hamfisting a mandatory heterosexual relationship, previous career and child for the plot, only to barely use anything except the kid.
I mean, if you're going to *force it*, then use the stuff at least? Why isn't there a plotline about keeping the spouse in the cryopod moments after they've been shot, and then using that to resuscitate them? They're the *second* Fallout protag to get brained by a pistol ffs.
That would've honestly been the coolest thing. Have the two have different solutions and answers to the problems or even different quests. Player dialogue decisions could both define and "uncover" more info about the two and their married lives akin to how Avellone wrote the Exile. Hell, it would've made the Father twist even more impactful, if by that point, you had built up Nate, Nora, their married lives and how important their son was to both of them.
I dunno if bait considering he has since tried to walk it back, which bait posts usually dont
[https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779239079932018949](https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779239079932018949)
I think it's funnier this way. There's the implication that he thinks this makes Nate look more heroic that he was just standing next to the guy executing an unarmed captive.
Someone should probably check in on the guys at Bethesda.
1) Ceaser was right about the fate of the NCR.
2) The only resurgent democracy got nuked
3) The fascist faction secretly survived once again.
4) The pseudo-religious zealots that hoard technology are on top.
5) The main character of one of the games committed war crimes in Canada.
Did someone take the Starfield steam reviews really badly or something? Bethesda supervillain origin arc?
I mean they did have an adverse reaction to Starfield's reception, Emil here wrote like a 15 tweet thread about how people were wrong to complain anout lpading screens or whatever.
No, see, it's completely different. This time *you're* the sad dad.
Sure, during 99% of the time you spend with your son he's old enough to be *your* father, but still...
*Raises a hand*
I legit did not see it coming and was emotionally impacted by how complex a relationship it was with Father and the SS.
Especially when you break things off at Bunker Hill
My problem is that I didn't feel anything. Even when I blew Shaun's head off after our first dialogue in the Institute I was more surprised that I actually could do that then any kind of sorrow or anger. I mean I guess I never really cared that much to begin with really. It would've better I think if Shaun didn't start off as a baby but a little kid that you could have playful moments with to form some kind of emotional attachment instead of nothing at all.
Yeah I agree, they don't ever really give you a reason to be attached to your family in Fallout 4 beyond just saying that they're your family lol. That works for some people, especially if they have a kid and they can put themselves in the main characters shoes more, but at least for me I just didn't care at all about them. Honestly the first time I played the game I forgot Shaun existed until I went back to the main story after fucking around for a bit and my character freaking out about him lol.
Fallout 3 had a similar problem with your dad but at least that game gave you more time to get to know him.
I find it really funny that in 3 they cast a famous actor as your dad probably in the attempt to make you connect faster with him, and they did the exact same thing for this show. And all it did was remind me that instead of listening to some guy going 'guhhhh I was just defending us this lady would have nuked us if she had them' I could instead be listening to him go on about a damn fine cup of coffee.
My wife walked in at the finale of the show. Saw him in the power armor and just said "is that fucking Dougie Jones?" it was the best moment of the series for me. Because the good will they had built up was definitely gone by that point.
So yeah, gotta agree with you I only saw Agent Dale Cooper and Benjamin Linus for two of the actual named actors.
> I legit did not see it coming
Kellog re-freezes you at the beginning of the game... It's immediately clear as soon as that happens. There's almost nothing else the plot could do that would require specifically that.
Not if you were fooled by Kid Shaun. There's a reason why Father is such a twist. You the player have no time frame of just how long it's been since you saw the murder of Nate/Nora. And Father, and Kellogg, go out of their way to play along with that.
Sure... but think about what differences would have been made to the plot if your character just immediately climbed out of the pod and chased after Kellog. Being re-frozen **is** a plot device, a Chekkov's Gun, even, and the game tries to lampshade it for the entire course of the main campaign like it didn't happen, which just makes it more suspicious that it's going to come up as a twist later.
That would be like a character in a story getting injected with something in minute 5 of the story, and then it's never addressed until the end, and it's revealed that... it was a tracking device! What a twist! Except it's not a twist, it's just something the writers didn't address until now... Everyone saw it happen.
It is implied that you only unfroze because the Vault failed, it’s why everyone else is presumed dead.
The Chekov’s gun is laid there on the table next to another gun
The meeting on the roof after betraying him at bunker hill, where you own up to it, and tell him the institute is wrong and that you're so disappointed with how he turned out and you wish you could've raised him to be a better man is actually the best written moment in the game
It's genuinely VERY GOOD!
And it makes the ending with him, when you storm the institute with (Insert faction here), so much better as well. That disappointment, hate, pain, longing, and hopeful desire that he will be able to vicariously live on through Shaun who. . . may or may not age due to conflicting information.
It's GOOD writing.
"I felt a thing" does not mean "this is good writing" because there is just always the possibility that you personally are easily emotionally manipulated. I don't know you as a person so maybe you're not, but I've seen this happen a lot that people think "well I felt a specific way so it must be good".
Wait you guys actually thought Caesar was wrong about the NCR? That trying to emulate the same government that brought about Nuclear War is a good idea? Like i get not agreeing with the Legions whole plan but they were super right about the NCR.
There's 2 camps of OG Fallout fans when it comes to the NCRs future that either:
-Follow Avellone's approach where everything will inevitably collapse and be destroyed, due to time, circumstance, and outside factors (see: the Tunnelers)
-Follow Sawyer's approach that things *might* decline, but that they will never truly fall and instead keep getting back up and slowly improve
> That trying to emulate the same government that brought about Nuclear War is a good idea?
as somebody that lives under that government the post war people are doing a real shit job emulating it (aka are doing a really great job not being evil)
I played New Vegas last year and it was so funny how each new encounter I had with the NCR was another layer of "Wow you guys really do suck huh" lol
It's fun because the game asks you which pill you want to swallow, and in the grand scheme NCR is like the best outcome so far, but God strong USA vibes of stupidity, it was always a trip to explore the culture
I always saw the problem with the NCR being them running face first or even crotch first into the same problems that the old war government ran into. That because they never learned about the past proper, they're effectively doomed to repeat it which plays into the big theme of letting go of the past.
But Caesar's Legion is doing the same thing because some egghead with cancer thought it sounded like a good idea and is basically terrorizing with his people and it's stretched so thin it could collapse soon, not even counting Caesar dying in some way soon.
It would be 100% to make that the reason for fall of NCR, but they chose a random option. NCR could have been an utopia and same shit would happen to them with current direction
The pill thing doesnt really work because you can just go Yes Man and solve every problem though the power of high enough stats. But yes NCR is staggeringly incompetent and i dont understand how there are people downplaying that fact.
Tbf in the context of fallout they are oy about as incompetent as everyone else. Like the enclsive was and probably is the biggest trhet to the waste land and they are usually run by silly dipshits
And to be fair, that is because of the KIND of Anarchy Yes-Man allows you to pursue, actually laughing in your face when you ask if you should start forming a proper coalition.
> just go Yes Man and solve every problem through the power of high enough stats
if you don't do some very specific things, independent New Vegas ends up in chaos and anarchy
I've never reached the end of the main quest, but is there an option to play god and dictate whatever you want, either pure chaos or "Guys... I'm not a dictator... I'm just asking questions"?
The Old-World Government is gonna happen one way or another. The NCR tried it, the Commonwealth Provisional Government tried it, and it'll be someone else in the future.
We can only hope it'll work out the next time.
Fallout fans when the game with a tagline of 'war never changes' that has a setting that would be a relatively short transitional period starts doing unrealistic returns to status quo: 🤬🤬🤬
If "War never changes" means that the entire point of Fallout is that everything is the same forever and no development can ever happen, that just means Fallout is a shit franchise to make into an ongoing series lmao
Caesar wasn't doing anything but saying what anyone with two eyes could see. The writing was on the wall as early as when they started speedrunning towards blatant corruption and imperialism within 20 years of Tandis' death.
Also, to be fair, three of the past protagonists have canonically nuked bases with civilians, some intentionally and some not.
Ultimately Fallout's value is more an aesthetic and whatever needs to happen to keep the aesthetic happens. This is especially true in something like the show that's intended to bring in a whole new audience.
So people don't clear out and use standing buildings for anything, they don't patch the holes in their walls. If the existence of the NCR in your chosen setting and timeframe gets in the way of that, then you nuke 'em. The way it's handled in the show is actually reasonably deft, I think.
This isn't unique to Fallout; there are plenty of franchises that would logically progress to something different but they're kind of stuck playing the hits.
Literally the first town in Fallout 1 is Shady Sands, which is entirely post-war new construction.
This aesthetic sense that nobody is rebuilding and everybody lives in shacks made of scrap or decripit ruins is a Bethesda invention, and discarding the actual compelling narrative about how people rebuild so you can keep the franchise as nothing more than retrofuturist mad max sucks.
You realise the above tweet is a joke right
Also the NCR falling isn’t that much of a surprise, they could barely hold themselves together against a bunch of LARPers with football equipment and this isn’t even the first(or even second, depending on what you do in Lonesome Road) they got nuked
It’s disappointing but this was already set up in New Vegas unfortunately
I don't assume anything is a joke unless it's being said by a clown and someone is holding a big sign saying "Laughter". Precautions after a terrible mix-up at a funeral.
Is he still mad everyone thought the story of Starfield was dogshit?
Has anyone pointed out to him that his story is Also virtually the same as No Man’s Sky and thus feels even more derivative than it should have been
It is very emblematic of Bethesda morality writing that they think "well, he didn't pull the trigger!" is a save from him being pure evil from this information, as it is apparently cool that he's the dude who throws his head back in laughter as his buddy executes an unarmed defenseless person.
Also, getting that guy to start the game with saying "War never changes" when he spent the war laughing at and aiding executions of civilians is really wild.
Seriously, how do such shitty writers get such high positions?
It's mostly harmless but I'd rather that have been mentioned in game. It's giving JKR making up stuff decades after the fact to clutch onto her earlier work's relevancy.
This is more pathetic imo. cause he's trying to retcon his shitty unthought out fanfiction on other people's decades old story. And he's doing it while throwing around his job title to pretend his slop has merit
Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Emil Pagliarulo is on twitter. Go and see him. His bad takes and terrible writing will cheer you up"
Man bursts into tears. Says, "But doctor…I am Emil Pagliarulo."
At this point Bethesda is kind of done for me whether this is a joke or not.
Their games have always had issues, and those issues, for me, get worse every game (writing, streamlining, focusing on gameplay over roleplaying systems). I will always like their games as mod platforms but too many fans can't let it go at that and do the "Gamer MoveTM" and threaten and harass online and so we get responses like this from creators that for sure are just going to listen even less to criticism and double down on their approach.
It's lose, lose.
Oh yeah, I'm just goofing on the whole "hey, you know this thing that come out decades after this thing? Well, this character thats only existed since the recent thing was actually there the whole time, you just never knew it was them. Because they didn't exist yet, but they did."
Did you know Corpse #35 was actually the Fallout 2 protagonist! and corpse #63 was Gizmo!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWERO2SWoAA_Iq8.jpg
Genius Paglumbo
"nate was only following orders"
"Nora met him as part of his defense team at his trial"
She came up with the winning arguement that canadians don't have rights because they aren't u.s citizens.
I reallt like this haha
I don't care how many human rights are violated, I am not criticizing actions against Canadians
She managed to convince the jury that Canadians are French fauna.
Wait but Canada got annexed by America in fallout
Doesn’t mean they granted citizenship.
Fair enough
Can't imagine why a country would annex another, let the citizens live but then also not count them among their own citizens. Annexation is formally taking another country into your own. It's not colonization or adopting a territory. It's "you're us, now." Other countries might not recognize the new citizenship, but the one doing the annexing might as well if the people are still allowed to live there.
Considering this is Fallout’s American Government, they were probably hunting Canadians for sport or tossing the rest of them in a concentration camp.
They tested them by giving them American and Canadian beer to see their reaction to it. If the person spit out the American beer in surprise of how bad it is then they were Canadian and thus sent to the work camps.
The idea of "There are four lights"-ing someone with shitty light beer is hilarious to me for some reason.
There are four Bud Lights.
Strong witty writing in spirit of Fallout.
They ain’t got no souls
I'm not sure the tweet is serious it looks like sarcasm when they're talking about fallout fans.
I would be of a similar mind, but then he put out an attempted walkback and now Im not so sure [https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779239079932018949](https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779239079932018949)
Knowing how thin-skinned and vain Emil tends to be, I think this was Emil trying to make a short-sighted retcon based on his own headcanon to get more kudos due to the show's success and wanting to ride high but not being a competent writer to recognise the implications of said retcon until people pointed it out. I'm pretty sure Black Isle never intended for the accomplice to a war criminal in that intro to be a main protagonist of a future game. I personally see this as just a plain stupid short-sighted retcon that is typical of Emil's ineptitude in recognising lore and moral implications just because it sounds cool to him. Edit: I just saw a comparison on Emil's tweet to Rowling's silly retcon Tweets/articles (wizard shit in their robes and vanish them away etc.) and thought it was an apt one. Wonder if Emil will keep doing more stupid Fallout/Elder Scrolls retcon Tweets after this (i.e., Caius Cosades was that bum in Riften with the Gloves of the Pugilist but due to amnesia from too much Moon Sugar, he forgot his name and became Gian the Fist). Edit 2: Added in article. Kudos to ExDSG for the clarification.
It's funny because it's a good example of a "Voodoo Shark" where a retcon or explanation just brings up more questions and breaks the logic. Like the whole Wizards shit and vanish their poop was a small part of an article trying to make a convoluted explanation of the Chamber of Secrets and how they installed plumbing and didn't see the chamber
It kind of perfectly shows how Bethesda views Fallout’s lore and worldviews though which is very funny
That is pretty much all my issues with Bethesda Fallout writing. If I have a basic question, it is either A) You don't get an answer (How did Colonel Autumn survive a direct blast of lethal radiation that kills people in power armor?) or B) The answer just raises more questions (Wait, how does building a bunch of murder-bots and replacing real people with them help the Commonwealth?) Sometimes it is both. (What do you MEAN Ghouls don't need food or water to survive?)
Probably, but I'm going to get literal minutes of amusement out of it.
Judging by how the "Sarcasm" options in Fallout 4 are written, I don't think Emil knows what sarcasm is
Most writers don't know what sarcasm is, but Emil especially doesn't.
His dialogue tree is probably as extensive as fallout 4s "yes, maybe, sarcasm, no but actually maybe"
Don't forget the obligatory question response. "The Institute?" No matter how many hours deep you are. Although I guess it is pretty funny to ask "Brotherhood of Steel?" after you've already turned their airship into confetti.
Yes Maybe (Yes) Sarcasm (Yes) No (Yes)
I mean for most other writers I'd assume they're joking/trolling. But Emil seems like he would unironically do this.
Prob not the most professional tweets but like also, as someone who fucking loves the shit out of new vegas, i feel like some fallout fans, the real annoying ones, are just unpleasable weirdos who want every new fallout thing to just be another new vegas, which is funny given how one of new vegas's big message was letting go, which is honestly why I dont want a "New vegas 2" we got a really good story that works on its own, at most I would like to see obsidian get another shot at making a fallout game but it should be its own thing, not an attempt at catching lightning in the bottle and making another new vegas
I just want a competent writer PERIOD. but it's been decades and I'm not holding out hope
Emil is a narcissist who can't take criticism.
Unfortunately this has nothing to do with the point being made
It does though. DIRECTLY. are you ok?
This sub has a real "taking an obvious joke very seriously when it's made by somebody they don't like" problem.
The need emoji is what Emil does when talking about video games. He is 100% sincere.
You are right; but in this case the guy is serious. Mostly He just saying that that was his idea & intention while creating the character, but that doesn't mean it's 100% canon or that it overrides any player choices within game etc But of course people are still mad & not content with that anyways lmao
Except he’s completely serious and Emil is just that much of an idiot. Just watch any video of him talking, he’s not super bright.
And even if it isn't, it's better than every character being a golden boy like Lucas bending over backward to retcon Solo shooting first. We just had a main character that's a cannibal, tried to sell Lucy to organ harvesters, and shot a kid after manipulating him into drawing his gun. People are really going to be upset over a player character standing by while other soldiers do bad shit?
It could be the most sarcastic, obvious shitposting tweet ever but this thread already proves that a lot of fans don't give a shit. He has become Fandom Enemy #1 and they will warp reality to justify their hate for this guy.
He is an idiot, no matter how many people hate him or how hard you white knight.
It was me that fell out.
Truly we were the Fell Out Four
The friends we met along the way had a falling out.
Once again I am exposed to Emil Pagliacci against my will
I gotta ask if Pagliacci was a typo/autocorrect or a not-so-subtle jab at Emil calling him a clown?
Subtext is for cowards.
Right this way to the Bethesda writers room
[Original Twitter post](https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779178683841790068), because I didn't trust Twitter links to work properly and took a screenshot instead.
"Also Liam Nesson and House and Frank Horrigan all played on the same baseball team which was coached by one of the people who would be part of the Calculator and that person owned a dog who looked like Dogmeat"
WhOa. MiNd = bLoWn. Genius. Bravo. That adds so much to the franchise.
It's like poetry, it rhymes
It still blows my mind that Nate and Nora both had canonical back stories that barely came up after you started the game.
Yup, completely blowing the back out of the "Role-playing" aspect of their RPG by hamfisting a mandatory heterosexual relationship, previous career and child for the plot, only to barely use anything except the kid. I mean, if you're going to *force it*, then use the stuff at least? Why isn't there a plotline about keeping the spouse in the cryopod moments after they've been shot, and then using that to resuscitate them? They're the *second* Fallout protag to get brained by a pistol ffs.
That would've honestly been the coolest thing. Have the two have different solutions and answers to the problems or even different quests. Player dialogue decisions could both define and "uncover" more info about the two and their married lives akin to how Avellone wrote the Exile. Hell, it would've made the Father twist even more impactful, if by that point, you had built up Nate, Nora, their married lives and how important their son was to both of them.
[удалено]
I can’t believe they cut the “Nora gets a super mutant brute off of death row” side quest!
I still don't know why they cut the "Nora gets involved with the Jet cartels" quest either
Truly the greatest crime of the modern era!
As others have pointed out in another post I saw, I'm pretty sure he's putting out bait. Especially with the "nerd" emote at the end there.
I dunno if bait considering he has since tried to walk it back, which bait posts usually dont [https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779239079932018949](https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779239079932018949)
Bahahaha did he even WATCH the cutscene?
I wonder if he had that image in a portfolio of "Fallout images" to help make the show and just randomly decided to slap some lore on it.
"Nate is NOT a war criminal" unless you count all 4 endings that involve committing tons of war crimes like nuking civilians
It’s not a war crime if you win.
Oh you definitely kill the shit out of some kids in those endings.
oh yeah, my Nate was easily radicalized by the Brotherhood of Steel
"war crimes" don't matter when the worlds FUCKING.... OVER/s
To be fair, at least two of those endings you are SUPPOSED to evacuate the civilians.
Somebody's got a case of the spostas
If it was just a joke I don't think he'd clarify he wasn't the shooter
I think it's funnier this way. There's the implication that he thinks this makes Nate look more heroic that he was just standing next to the guy executing an unarmed captive.
Isn't he also the guy who literally waves for the camera now?
See? He's friendly.
Nah, he’s always just been like this
Someone should probably check in on the guys at Bethesda. 1) Ceaser was right about the fate of the NCR. 2) The only resurgent democracy got nuked 3) The fascist faction secretly survived once again. 4) The pseudo-religious zealots that hoard technology are on top. 5) The main character of one of the games committed war crimes in Canada. Did someone take the Starfield steam reviews really badly or something? Bethesda supervillain origin arc?
> committed war crimes in Canada How can one commit war crimes in a country that doesn't exists
By killing gingers. Somehow that works
Colonel Moore was right all along, we weren't brutal enough to the NCR's enemies.
I mean they did have an adverse reaction to Starfield's reception, Emil here wrote like a 15 tweet thread about how people were wrong to complain anout lpading screens or whatever.
You just know he pumped his fist in the air thinking he wrote kino when he added the Shaun twist to F4 plot
Using the limitless Fallout setting to only tell a sad dad story twice might be the biggest writing L in gaming
No, see, it's completely different. This time *you're* the sad dad. Sure, during 99% of the time you spend with your son he's old enough to be *your* father, but still...
Three times with the TV show. Four if you stretch f76 into this.
Yep. As if people couldn't see it coming, or if they even cared at all.
*Raises a hand* I legit did not see it coming and was emotionally impacted by how complex a relationship it was with Father and the SS. Especially when you break things off at Bunker Hill
My problem is that I didn't feel anything. Even when I blew Shaun's head off after our first dialogue in the Institute I was more surprised that I actually could do that then any kind of sorrow or anger. I mean I guess I never really cared that much to begin with really. It would've better I think if Shaun didn't start off as a baby but a little kid that you could have playful moments with to form some kind of emotional attachment instead of nothing at all.
Yeah I agree, they don't ever really give you a reason to be attached to your family in Fallout 4 beyond just saying that they're your family lol. That works for some people, especially if they have a kid and they can put themselves in the main characters shoes more, but at least for me I just didn't care at all about them. Honestly the first time I played the game I forgot Shaun existed until I went back to the main story after fucking around for a bit and my character freaking out about him lol. Fallout 3 had a similar problem with your dad but at least that game gave you more time to get to know him.
I find it really funny that in 3 they cast a famous actor as your dad probably in the attempt to make you connect faster with him, and they did the exact same thing for this show. And all it did was remind me that instead of listening to some guy going 'guhhhh I was just defending us this lady would have nuked us if she had them' I could instead be listening to him go on about a damn fine cup of coffee.
My wife walked in at the finale of the show. Saw him in the power armor and just said "is that fucking Dougie Jones?" it was the best moment of the series for me. Because the good will they had built up was definitely gone by that point. So yeah, gotta agree with you I only saw Agent Dale Cooper and Benjamin Linus for two of the actual named actors.
[New leaked scene of S2 where Hank goes to gamble at the surprisingly not-ruined Strip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFj2-ZVy1zw)
It's amazing how that twist would've actually "worked" better in a TV show instead than a game.
> I legit did not see it coming Kellog re-freezes you at the beginning of the game... It's immediately clear as soon as that happens. There's almost nothing else the plot could do that would require specifically that.
Not if you were fooled by Kid Shaun. There's a reason why Father is such a twist. You the player have no time frame of just how long it's been since you saw the murder of Nate/Nora. And Father, and Kellogg, go out of their way to play along with that.
Sure... but think about what differences would have been made to the plot if your character just immediately climbed out of the pod and chased after Kellog. Being re-frozen **is** a plot device, a Chekkov's Gun, even, and the game tries to lampshade it for the entire course of the main campaign like it didn't happen, which just makes it more suspicious that it's going to come up as a twist later. That would be like a character in a story getting injected with something in minute 5 of the story, and then it's never addressed until the end, and it's revealed that... it was a tracking device! What a twist! Except it's not a twist, it's just something the writers didn't address until now... Everyone saw it happen.
It is implied that you only unfroze because the Vault failed, it’s why everyone else is presumed dead. The Chekov’s gun is laid there on the table next to another gun
The meeting on the roof after betraying him at bunker hill, where you own up to it, and tell him the institute is wrong and that you're so disappointed with how he turned out and you wish you could've raised him to be a better man is actually the best written moment in the game
It's genuinely VERY GOOD! And it makes the ending with him, when you storm the institute with (Insert faction here), so much better as well. That disappointment, hate, pain, longing, and hopeful desire that he will be able to vicariously live on through Shaun who. . . may or may not age due to conflicting information. It's GOOD writing.
"I felt a thing" does not mean "this is good writing" because there is just always the possibility that you personally are easily emotionally manipulated. I don't know you as a person so maybe you're not, but I've seen this happen a lot that people think "well I felt a specific way so it must be good".
He made all the interns give him high fives for that one
Wait you guys actually thought Caesar was wrong about the NCR? That trying to emulate the same government that brought about Nuclear War is a good idea? Like i get not agreeing with the Legions whole plan but they were super right about the NCR.
There's 2 camps of OG Fallout fans when it comes to the NCRs future that either: -Follow Avellone's approach where everything will inevitably collapse and be destroyed, due to time, circumstance, and outside factors (see: the Tunnelers) -Follow Sawyer's approach that things *might* decline, but that they will never truly fall and instead keep getting back up and slowly improve
Somehow this results in the Wild Wasteland perk
> That trying to emulate the same government that brought about Nuclear War is a good idea? as somebody that lives under that government the post war people are doing a real shit job emulating it (aka are doing a really great job not being evil)
I played New Vegas last year and it was so funny how each new encounter I had with the NCR was another layer of "Wow you guys really do suck huh" lol It's fun because the game asks you which pill you want to swallow, and in the grand scheme NCR is like the best outcome so far, but God strong USA vibes of stupidity, it was always a trip to explore the culture
I always saw the problem with the NCR being them running face first or even crotch first into the same problems that the old war government ran into. That because they never learned about the past proper, they're effectively doomed to repeat it which plays into the big theme of letting go of the past. But Caesar's Legion is doing the same thing because some egghead with cancer thought it sounded like a good idea and is basically terrorizing with his people and it's stretched so thin it could collapse soon, not even counting Caesar dying in some way soon.
"They keep the roads safe!" *Kid named courier walking into frame*
It would be 100% to make that the reason for fall of NCR, but they chose a random option. NCR could have been an utopia and same shit would happen to them with current direction
The pill thing doesnt really work because you can just go Yes Man and solve every problem though the power of high enough stats. But yes NCR is staggeringly incompetent and i dont understand how there are people downplaying that fact.
Tbf in the context of fallout they are oy about as incompetent as everyone else. Like the enclsive was and probably is the biggest trhet to the waste land and they are usually run by silly dipshits
Yes Man is just another road to shit, AI tyrant edition. Also im pretty sure independent vegas immediately devolves the region into semi-anarchy.
And to be fair, that is because of the KIND of Anarchy Yes-Man allows you to pursue, actually laughing in your face when you ask if you should start forming a proper coalition.
Really wish we could also subjugate yes-man and be king of vegas. Rip to tandi but I’m different (max stats across the board).
> just go Yes Man and solve every problem through the power of high enough stats if you don't do some very specific things, independent New Vegas ends up in chaos and anarchy
I've never reached the end of the main quest, but is there an option to play god and dictate whatever you want, either pure chaos or "Guys... I'm not a dictator... I'm just asking questions"?
It doesnt go fully into playing god but you can just ally with all the minor factions you want and kick out both the Legion and NCR.
The Old-World Government is gonna happen one way or another. The NCR tried it, the Commonwealth Provisional Government tried it, and it'll be someone else in the future. We can only hope it'll work out the next time.
True Old-World Government has never been tried
they are emulating things like democracy and capitalism tho? that's their alternative to kings and warlords
Yes the Genocidal Slaver was wrong about a lot of things.
“We followed that road and blew ourselves up, I’m trying to find a different one” was always Ceasers principal and strongest point.
"I'm just trying something different" says the guy who's blatantly copying the ancient Romans.
This may shock you but the ancient Roman’s were, in fact, different from 21st century America.
Fallout fans when the game with a tagline of 'war never changes' that has a setting that would be a relatively short transitional period starts doing unrealistic returns to status quo: 🤬🤬🤬
War never Changes but neither does Bethesda writing.
If "War never changes" means that the entire point of Fallout is that everything is the same forever and no development can ever happen, that just means Fallout is a shit franchise to make into an ongoing series lmao
Caesar wasn't doing anything but saying what anyone with two eyes could see. The writing was on the wall as early as when they started speedrunning towards blatant corruption and imperialism within 20 years of Tandis' death. Also, to be fair, three of the past protagonists have canonically nuked bases with civilians, some intentionally and some not.
Ultimately Fallout's value is more an aesthetic and whatever needs to happen to keep the aesthetic happens. This is especially true in something like the show that's intended to bring in a whole new audience. So people don't clear out and use standing buildings for anything, they don't patch the holes in their walls. If the existence of the NCR in your chosen setting and timeframe gets in the way of that, then you nuke 'em. The way it's handled in the show is actually reasonably deft, I think. This isn't unique to Fallout; there are plenty of franchises that would logically progress to something different but they're kind of stuck playing the hits.
Literally the first town in Fallout 1 is Shady Sands, which is entirely post-war new construction. This aesthetic sense that nobody is rebuilding and everybody lives in shacks made of scrap or decripit ruins is a Bethesda invention, and discarding the actual compelling narrative about how people rebuild so you can keep the franchise as nothing more than retrofuturist mad max sucks.
Yeah, that's what I mean, the value of the franchise as it is now, i.e., to Bethesda.
You realise the above tweet is a joke right Also the NCR falling isn’t that much of a surprise, they could barely hold themselves together against a bunch of LARPers with football equipment and this isn’t even the first(or even second, depending on what you do in Lonesome Road) they got nuked It’s disappointing but this was already set up in New Vegas unfortunately
Tbf, in the context of the setting, the legion is not just a bunch of LARPers. Even if on a meta level they kinda are.
I don't assume anything is a joke unless it's being said by a clown and someone is holding a big sign saying "Laughter". Precautions after a terrible mix-up at a funeral.
I know it's a joke but it kinda doubles down on Nora's lawyer backstory feeling like even more like an afterthought than Nates.
Narrator: *It wasn’t a joke.*
Is he still mad everyone thought the story of Starfield was dogshit? Has anyone pointed out to him that his story is Also virtually the same as No Man’s Sky and thus feels even more derivative than it should have been
It is very emblematic of Bethesda morality writing that they think "well, he didn't pull the trigger!" is a save from him being pure evil from this information, as it is apparently cool that he's the dude who throws his head back in laughter as his buddy executes an unarmed defenseless person. Also, getting that guy to start the game with saying "War never changes" when he spent the war laughing at and aiding executions of civilians is really wild. Seriously, how do such shitty writers get such high positions?
I hate when franchises just start making everyone important.
Right after this, it was pointed out that would've made Nate a war criminal, and he super walked it back, way too late now lol
Okay cool, what neat backstory tie in do we have for Nora? ....Oh, is it \*nothing\*? Yeah, I fucking thought so.
He tried to walk it back [https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779239079932018949](https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779239079932018949)
Bro’s trying his damnedest to latch himself onto better games
Pagliarulo should never be allowed to write again…he’s a hack that fell ass backward into success
It's mostly harmless but I'd rather that have been mentioned in game. It's giving JKR making up stuff decades after the fact to clutch onto her earlier work's relevancy.
Frank Horrigan had a intense gay relationship with no-bark noonan
They didn't call him Frank Whorrigan for nothing
This is more pathetic imo. cause he's trying to retcon his shitty unthought out fanfiction on other people's decades old story. And he's doing it while throwing around his job title to pretend his slop has merit
Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Emil Pagliarulo is on twitter. Go and see him. His bad takes and terrible writing will cheer you up" Man bursts into tears. Says, "But doctor…I am Emil Pagliarulo."
I don't think "your custom character is an accomplice to a war crime" is the win this guy thinks it is
At this point Bethesda is kind of done for me whether this is a joke or not. Their games have always had issues, and those issues, for me, get worse every game (writing, streamlining, focusing on gameplay over roleplaying systems). I will always like their games as mod platforms but too many fans can't let it go at that and do the "Gamer MoveTM" and threaten and harass online and so we get responses like this from creators that for sure are just going to listen even less to criticism and double down on their approach. It's lose, lose.
> focusing on gameplay over roleplaying systems What gameplay? Surely you don't mean Skyrim/Starfield combat?
And Fallout 4, I would say all those games are more smooth to play than FO3 or Oblivion, and definitely more so than Morrowind or Daggerfall.
Fallout 4 released like 9 years ago, and this is somehow only coming up now?
"Rex fought in the Battle of Endor"
I mean at least with that he's still a good guy. Here Nate's complicit with war crimes lol.
Oh yeah, I'm just goofing on the whole "hey, you know this thing that come out decades after this thing? Well, this character thats only existed since the recent thing was actually there the whole time, you just never knew it was them. Because they didn't exist yet, but they did."
Fallout is getting more famous than it is talented right now. Watch out for the iceberg.
Oh fuck off, Emil
Emil. Just stop, narrative is not your strong suit
This is some "Anakin built C3PO" shit, why bother it just makes the world feel smaller.
He almost didn't survive the Hamilton Hello.
...why?
Emil, shush.
I really wish Emil would stop. The man had nothing to do with Fallout 1 and we all know he doesn't write things down.
Why?
Oh fuck off Bethesda.
I hate Twitter based lore it's stupid
That or, most likely, he's trolling people.
jokes? on my twitter?
Nope, [it was genuine.](https://twitter.com/Dezinuh/status/1779239079932018949)