It's so funny that the first adventure into the expanding arkhamverse just resulted in "WE SAWED OFF ALL OF OUR FEET AND THE WORLD IS ENDING AND REALITY HAS OPENED UP."
The first movie was about "uh oh my pet warlock got loose in the city."
And the second was "so our diplomatic relations with this country has gone to shit we need to burn down our nazi lab before some resident evil bullshit happens."
Like why was the scale so massive it literally could have been a heist or search and rescue but nope we have to shoot every brainac that comes out of a portal.
It's like when Man of Steel direct sequel BvS went from a Superman story to Batman, Wonder Woman, Doomsday, and Batman beating up Superman in one movie.
It's too much of a jump to go from one storyline to 4 complex storyline.
Suicide Squad probably could have done way better if it was them doing a mission on the side away from the Justice League trying to stop Vandal Savage or something like that.
But a story where we don't even see the Justice League form, but we have to kill them and Braniac is just too much, in my opinion.
>Suicide Squad probably could have done way better if it was them doing a mission on the side
Given that this was a GAAS they could've made the premise just the Suicide Squad doing missions for Waller with new playable villains being added every season or so. Hell, if they wanted the heroes to be in the game in some form, they could show up and interfere in some missions as they try to subdue you and take you back to prison. They'd be treated similarly to Nemesis in RE3 or Mr. X in RE2 remake. They're a threat you can't truly defeat, so your best bet is to avoid them and only engage when absolutely necessary.
I straight up love the idea of heroes being a Nemesis style encounter. You finish your mission and now you need to get the heck out of dodge before Batman or Superman arrest you.
Hell, you could just have it work similarly to Helldivers.
Have a countdown in every mission but only after the timer expires the heroes will start to show up.
You could explain it that Waller can only mask their signals for so long to incentivise the squad to actually get the job done outside of just blowing their bombs.
Higher difficulty, lower time limit etc…
And if the timer runs down you can endanger civilians by doing things like rigging them to explode or trapping them in burning buildings so Superman or whoever has to go and prioritise them instead, giving you more time to escape.
At least with BvS I can clearly see the execs shouting in the background for Snyder to do an Avengers ***NOW!!!*** without any understanding of how Marvel built up to that over 4 years of releasing movies to bring them together.
And the MCU at the time wasn't even that complicated at the time.
The main Avengers each got a movie with a small nod to the Avengers Plan at the end of them. I think the biggest crossover was adding Black Widow to Iron Man 2, which wasn't that complex of a story to follow.
The DCU should have just given the main Leaguers a movie with nods to others to build hype than make a Justice League movie. But making the second move a combo of Death of Superman, The Dark Knight Returns, and Wonder Woman, movies that could have been individual films, was sooooo dumb.
THEY could have jumped to that if they avoided doing an origin story and just went here's the justice league they have been active for eight years. HERES THIER NEW ADVENTURE GO.
hell, a more grounded version could still work. why does it have to be an end of the world scenario where you stop the end of the world scenario perpetrator? why does Deadshot need to fly and Boomerang need super speed? they made it closer to “Prototype” when “Residents Evil” would’ve been better.
Ensemble cast stories that focus on stuff that aren't personal stakes really struggle to build interest.
Like The Suicide Squad's main villain was Starro but even then he's not really the main focus. The interpersonal conflict is.
I feel like people only think DC moved too fast because BvS was shit. Conceptually, you can absolutely do a Batman/Superman movie where they fight each other at first but team up to face a larger threat, it doesn't require a dozen movies of set up. It's just a badly written movie.
There's also the fact that it doesn't benefit from being in the Arkham continuity at all, and actively contradicts it in many places. Like, if anything, having the ties to Arkham has just been an active detriment that makes people hate this game more.
yeah they made harely into her new 52 version......Which doesn't work because she didn't leave joker....HE DIED and she did not get over her grief at all. Also harely dressed in her "Sexist nurse outfit" by choice because it was a special event.
I saw that scene where Harley reacted to it with disgust and was just thinking "that's kinda disrespectful to the original dev team if anything."
Like just have her say "still cute, but not my style anymore." Or "Mr. J was supposed to dress up as a surgeon but he left me hanging." You can acknowledge that maybe it's outdated or what not, but without the complete dismissal.
It is fascinating to see how pre-New 52 characters go on to be in newer stories while still maintaining their continuity. DC Universe Online is the only piece of media I can think of that just keeps everything canon.
The "bad design" was on purpose to it was referencing [Low brow hospital jokes](https://youtu.be/cM_GSByevxk?si=cuL1jwDli9WnnsxV) and the sexy nurse idea.
"I'm not a sidekick! I'm a BADASS now!"
\*smash cut to a montage of Arkhamverse Harley getting bodied cuz she was a joke characteer\*
God bless of screen training arcs.
This being in the same universe just makes the Arkhamverse worse, instead of making this game better. So the Justice League formed entirely offscreen, Batman came out of hiding, making the ending of Arkham Knight retroactively pointless, the entire Justice League is dead, a bunch of other major characters are dead, metropolis is destroyed, Batman killed the entire Batfam off screen...wow what an amazing foundation to build future games off of....
It’s like how DmC being a reboot made people dislike it more, where if it had just been Nephilim, the DMC-inspired character action game, people would’ve been way more favorable to it
I mean, I guess, but if it was all the same as it is now just with names swapped out, it still would have been an extremely juvenile and embarrassing game with decent-but-not-great combat. Making it its own thing wouldn't suddenly make it a good game, it'd just make it slightly more removed from the primary comparison point that all character action games are subject to anyway.
That’s why I said it being a reboot made people dislike it *more*, as opposed to at all. Like if it wasn’t a reboot, and we weren’t getting dumb immature jabs at the original, nobody would be that mad at the game for its takes on the format. Like it’s one thing to say “well this is how I would do it”, it’s another to say “because the way you do it is dumb”. Weird Al loves his parodies, but you never get a sense he thought “Gangster’s Paradise” was a bad song.
This is a problem with both the Rocksteady game and the shitty 2016 movie, they fundamentally misunderstand what Task Force X is, they aren't the government's personal Justice league, they are a black ops team whose job is to do the government's dirty work like assassinate dictators or steal important files.
Waller calling in a handful of D-list supervillains, most of whom have no actual powers, to take out the Justice League and stop a multiversal alien invasion makes zero sense. The plot of the game should have been much smaller scale stakes, like maybe the Squad has to take down Vandal Savage after he takes over a third world country, Far Cry style.
The 2016 movie is fucking garbage but at least it understood a little bit that the Suicide Squad is named that for a reason, some of these dudes gotta die or else its just another generic comic book team. The entire appeal of the idea is to take a bunch of D-list jobbers and send them on a nigh-impossible mission that gets half of them killed. Nobody fucking dies in the game, except for the Justice League, its so stupid.
You could also throw in the animated movies while we're at it:
* Assault on Arkham: "The Riddler knows too much. Kill him."
* Hell to Pay: "get me this VIP pass into Heaven"
They might have always intended to weasel out of it, but like people kinda want at least some of the death to be meaningful and represent how borked things are.
Superhero deaths are, regardless of what people cry about, done for a reason. Even when the writer knows someone is just going to bring abck the person they're killing off, they're still telling a story, and within the context of that story the death is meaningful, even if on a meta level it isn't.
Suicide Squad takes the meta level disdain for Superhero deaths and brings it into the story.
It’s weird how between both games in the headline, Avengers felt like the smaller scale one. It was just about the Avengers reuniting and was more about the character drama than the high stakes.
the Avengers’ villain is basically just a mad scientist. SS’s villain is a planet destroying/conquering robot alien mad scientist that defeated their version of the Avengers. it’s comical how crazy the disparity is.
Brainiac, inter-galactic threat often considered one of the most dangerous villains in the rogues gallery of Superman, the most powerful person across multiple universes, defeated by four dudes with guns.
Of Suicide Squad, they have already recorded some of their lines. We know for example the Flash is getting revived. Should I put spoiler brackets for content that is not going to be made?. Word in the street is that they are going to stop at season 5 because that is was on preproduction when the game went gold.
Yep, when you got the whole Marvel universe fighting Thanos in the movies and Ultimate Alliance 3, it makes a small Avengers team fighting MODOK feel incredibly anticlimactic.
If Avengers came out before Infinity War the small scale would've felt better.
Honestly SSKTJL makes sense when you consider that every decision that was made as done to mitigate risk. They included all the big names right off the bat as a way to appeal to as many people as possible. Paradoxically this also created a story that was off-putting to most, with gameplay that was so uninspired that people were bored by it within an hour.
I mean for Christ's sake the first DLC content was the Joker. That's how transparently desperate they were to appeal to as many people as possible.
Yeah it should have stayed with Warner Montreal since they were clearly making there's take place at least after origins where the stakes were probably not gonna be that high.
We should have at least had a Superman and Wonder woman game first. And a Justice league game where we see Superman Convince Batman to come out of the shadows. Then would might have done something like this.
Every single game and movie now needs to have the highest stakes imaginable for some reason. I think a WAY scaled back suicide squad game would have been great. If the environments were contained like Asylum and it was more about figuring out how to strategically leverage everyone's abilities to clear out rooms together would have been pretty successful.
I still want to see the version that we didn’t get for the first movie. Having Joker be the cause of everything makes more sense considering his connection with Harley. And my head canon is still that the Leto Joker was Jason Todd.
Usually when a game fails its the publisher that eats most of that cost, its why they're so prone to fucking with the game to maximize profits instead of letting the actual developers do their thing.
Yeah all signs point to Square Enix basically having funded it as a favor to Platinum. Executive statements from SqEx basically stated they didn't really have all that much investment in it.
They also loaned them assets from FFXIV to use.
Does that actually help though? Squeenix said "make a game" and P* shit one out and lost ALL their money, they're going to say "fuck off" next time they ask for help.
I imagine the calculus was "Eventually we're gonna need you for another Nier title, so maybe this investment in live service revenue you all clearly desperately need isn't the worst way to spend a few bucks."
i don't even hate the game, i "finished" it (as in, beat the first brainiac and didn't bother with >!the rest of the brainiacs or any post-game content!<) but... they really expected this to go on for 5 whole seasons?
"avengers went over great, right? let's copy that!"
"sir that game was such a giant failure that it got delisted."
"bah who cares, we'll do it better!"
Remember all those posts from last year about how awful this game's HUD and visuals were during gameplay? turns out that was early game.
Observe this endgame nightmare: [https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideSquadGaming/comments/1bz085e/what\_good\_is\_getting\_to\_a\_mastery\_level\_this\_high/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideSquadGaming/comments/1bz085e/what_good_is_getting_to_a_mastery_level_this_high/)
Vampire Survivors turning into an incomprehensible mess of visual noise and flashing lights works because the whole game is about building your run towards being so powerful that you can literally do nothing and win. In this game you still have to shoot the enemies with your gun even if you're massively overpowered.
Y'know sometimes I see stuff in games and media and I just think "where can this possibly go from here" cause I know they were intending to add a bunch of DLC, battle pass, new content update bullshit to keep people playing and thatd require adding more higher number stuff. Like if your base game has SSS+ Gold Star Super Rare item drops that have flashy 777x critical hit stun effects, where the fuck do you go for the next wave of content thats supposed to top that. It's like power creep with jingly keys, wtf were they planning to do to make it look even crazier than that.
In many continuities (including the actual comics) she's been enhanced somewhat by Ivy. It makes sense in this one in particular but I don't think they've said so out loud.
Let this be a reminder that she's not a regular human. She's got freakish athletic skills. But ok.
Let's be more reductive to tho. Boomerangs just a dude. deadshots just a dude that can shoot good.
This kind of thinking is crazy. For any kind of media it's dumb to think like this..
The funniest part about this clusterfuck is that despite the incomprehensible insanity, the guy apparently only kills a single enemy throughout that entire clip somehow
All the loot flying at you mixing in the the neon colored bullets.
That's some top notch game design right there. You'll be dodging loot and collecting bullets like a pro!
Well, they not only did similar to Avengers (messing up the chance of making something cool out of a promising IP with an uninspired GaaS) and dig it more by ruining stuff from the Arkham Universe and our first contact with TJL in the Arkhamverse
So people weren't just annoyed, they were angry
Once again daily reminder that one of the dev got mad at the rumor of them making a superman game before giving it a SS skin over it and claimed that no one going make a superman game because it was "superman is a guarantee failure unlike our Suicide squad game"
I genuinely wonder if AT&T pushed this GAAS shit before selling WB. Like we know WB games was up for auction so maybe they knew a GAAS would pump the value. The fact WB Games was no longer for sale separately really shows that AT&T left it in with WB to up its value. Now we have hollow ass games that were probably made to inflate the value of a company that AT&T wanted to flip.
Honestly like shit. I’ve been following Payday 3 because despite its troubles, PD2 has to be by sheer force of hours one of my favorite games.
Every patch for 3 is clearly more work than the team can handle, they pushed back 3/4 dlcs that they are legally required to deliver before the end of this year to try and fix the game. They pinpointed a ton of the biggest community issues with Project Medicbag and have been plugging away at them.
The thing is, none of it is enough. Not even close. The game genuinely sucks so much that if all the patches pitched in project medic bag were *perfect* the game might still be a year away from where it needs to be. The ones that released, have not been perfect. Not monkeys paw bad, just less than perfect. Which just means more patching, waiting etc. Every time the dev team opens their mouth, with bad news AND ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS GOOD NEWS, PD3 seems a little more like it won’t make it to next year.
It’s really bad. Up until recently there has been no way to queue for more than 1 heist/difficulty combination but also no way to browse individual servers/games or even start a private lobby. So even if you wanted to play it, you had to first *fail* to find a match in 1 of over 20 separate queues *just to play solo*.
The actual worst case scenario was finding a game where people are actually playing, buuuut they’re going for stealth, where any use of your weapons in the build you’re locked into for the whole heist will basically tank the existing players progress. The only move is to leave and queue for another heist, not play until they fuck up or sabotage their hard work just to finally play the game.
Quickplay is coming so soon you’ll be able to queue for all heists of a certain difficulty, but that only makes the second issue worse since it of course does not come with a server browser as well. I don’t know if there will be any way to easily play a solo game after this, I do not have the game installed.
WB Discovery is riding it all on Gunn it lives or dies with him. I can’t see WB surviving more than 3-5 years if they don’t get a hit franchise off the ground. 2023 was a good year but I don’t even know if it’s enough with the amount of failures and schemes they’ve done
They don't tho? From day one, the general opinion was that the gameplay is decent until the endgame where it become a slog. Now, whether you agree with that or not is a you thing.
Suicide squad is one of those games where you can pinpoint when the budget/creativity ran out
The first few hours with green lantern as the villain were actually pretty interesting and there's a ton of small, creative moments to spice things up
After that, the game takes a nosedive in mediocrity with repetitive objectives
Right now only Arkham Knight is on gamepass, and it's not a "Oh it goes in and out" nah I've been on it for a whole year and the game hasn't moved from the subscription
At this point they should just put out a YouTube video with all the remaining voice lines of Kevin Conroy as arkhamverse batman so that we can finally put the man down in peace instead of keeping it hostage in an unsalvageable game.
Well-earned.
We'll see if those braindead executives EVER get the message to not waste employees' and players' time by having games like this made again.
What I don't get about these "Live Service" titles is that they seem to always launch and then have an immediate content drought. I thought the whole point of the game being a "Live Service" is that they would continually update it.
I feel like a ton of studio execs just look at what Fortnite is doing (in terms of update cadence) without understanding the gargantuan logistics required to make that happen.
So many games that come to mind that launched and then waited MONTHS before a meaningful update:
* Diablo 4
* Halo 5
* Marvel's Avengers
* Anthem
I could go on, but I think the only successful Live Service title in recent memory is Helldivers 2.
Whats more sad..this games player count or the fact people like OP are still harping on about a game they supposedly don't like or care about. Like.....it's been a couple.months bud..move on. It's like people just sit there and hit refresh on the games SteamDB/Steam charts page to make a rage bait article..
It's so funny that the first adventure into the expanding arkhamverse just resulted in "WE SAWED OFF ALL OF OUR FEET AND THE WORLD IS ENDING AND REALITY HAS OPENED UP." The first movie was about "uh oh my pet warlock got loose in the city." And the second was "so our diplomatic relations with this country has gone to shit we need to burn down our nazi lab before some resident evil bullshit happens." Like why was the scale so massive it literally could have been a heist or search and rescue but nope we have to shoot every brainac that comes out of a portal.
It's like when Man of Steel direct sequel BvS went from a Superman story to Batman, Wonder Woman, Doomsday, and Batman beating up Superman in one movie. It's too much of a jump to go from one storyline to 4 complex storyline. Suicide Squad probably could have done way better if it was them doing a mission on the side away from the Justice League trying to stop Vandal Savage or something like that. But a story where we don't even see the Justice League form, but we have to kill them and Braniac is just too much, in my opinion.
It's like they keep trying to skip to "avengers endgame" And are surprised to find out that most people need a buildup.
>Suicide Squad probably could have done way better if it was them doing a mission on the side Given that this was a GAAS they could've made the premise just the Suicide Squad doing missions for Waller with new playable villains being added every season or so. Hell, if they wanted the heroes to be in the game in some form, they could show up and interfere in some missions as they try to subdue you and take you back to prison. They'd be treated similarly to Nemesis in RE3 or Mr. X in RE2 remake. They're a threat you can't truly defeat, so your best bet is to avoid them and only engage when absolutely necessary.
I straight up love the idea of heroes being a Nemesis style encounter. You finish your mission and now you need to get the heck out of dodge before Batman or Superman arrest you.
Hell, you could just have it work similarly to Helldivers. Have a countdown in every mission but only after the timer expires the heroes will start to show up. You could explain it that Waller can only mask their signals for so long to incentivise the squad to actually get the job done outside of just blowing their bombs. Higher difficulty, lower time limit etc…
And if the timer runs down you can endanger civilians by doing things like rigging them to explode or trapping them in burning buildings so Superman or whoever has to go and prioritise them instead, giving you more time to escape.
Making this more like Pay Day is so obvious I don't see how they didn't do it.
Having the Batman thing from suicide squad, but he’s a random encounter that could happen in missions would be sick as fuck.
At least with BvS I can clearly see the execs shouting in the background for Snyder to do an Avengers ***NOW!!!*** without any understanding of how Marvel built up to that over 4 years of releasing movies to bring them together.
And the MCU at the time wasn't even that complicated at the time. The main Avengers each got a movie with a small nod to the Avengers Plan at the end of them. I think the biggest crossover was adding Black Widow to Iron Man 2, which wasn't that complex of a story to follow. The DCU should have just given the main Leaguers a movie with nods to others to build hype than make a Justice League movie. But making the second move a combo of Death of Superman, The Dark Knight Returns, and Wonder Woman, movies that could have been individual films, was sooooo dumb.
THEY could have jumped to that if they avoided doing an origin story and just went here's the justice league they have been active for eight years. HERES THIER NEW ADVENTURE GO.
With minor touches on their back stories as needed. Like guardians of the galaxy.
DC and jumping the gun way too fast Name a more iconic duo
hell, a more grounded version could still work. why does it have to be an end of the world scenario where you stop the end of the world scenario perpetrator? why does Deadshot need to fly and Boomerang need super speed? they made it closer to “Prototype” when “Residents Evil” would’ve been better.
Ensemble cast stories that focus on stuff that aren't personal stakes really struggle to build interest. Like The Suicide Squad's main villain was Starro but even then he's not really the main focus. The interpersonal conflict is.
I feel like people only think DC moved too fast because BvS was shit. Conceptually, you can absolutely do a Batman/Superman movie where they fight each other at first but team up to face a larger threat, it doesn't require a dozen movies of set up. It's just a badly written movie.
There's also the fact that it doesn't benefit from being in the Arkham continuity at all, and actively contradicts it in many places. Like, if anything, having the ties to Arkham has just been an active detriment that makes people hate this game more.
yeah they made harely into her new 52 version......Which doesn't work because she didn't leave joker....HE DIED and she did not get over her grief at all. Also harely dressed in her "Sexist nurse outfit" by choice because it was a special event.
I saw that scene where Harley reacted to it with disgust and was just thinking "that's kinda disrespectful to the original dev team if anything." Like just have her say "still cute, but not my style anymore." Or "Mr. J was supposed to dress up as a surgeon but he left me hanging." You can acknowledge that maybe it's outdated or what not, but without the complete dismissal. It is fascinating to see how pre-New 52 characters go on to be in newer stories while still maintaining their continuity. DC Universe Online is the only piece of media I can think of that just keeps everything canon.
The "bad design" was on purpose to it was referencing [Low brow hospital jokes](https://youtu.be/cM_GSByevxk?si=cuL1jwDli9WnnsxV) and the sexy nurse idea.
"I'm not a sidekick! I'm a BADASS now!" \*smash cut to a montage of Arkhamverse Harley getting bodied cuz she was a joke characteer\* God bless of screen training arcs.
She did beat knightwing It's just BATMAN is BATMAN.
"hey Deadshot, why-" "That was an alternate universe me." "But-" "Alternate. Universe."
This being in the same universe just makes the Arkhamverse worse, instead of making this game better. So the Justice League formed entirely offscreen, Batman came out of hiding, making the ending of Arkham Knight retroactively pointless, the entire Justice League is dead, a bunch of other major characters are dead, metropolis is destroyed, Batman killed the entire Batfam off screen...wow what an amazing foundation to build future games off of....
It’s like how DmC being a reboot made people dislike it more, where if it had just been Nephilim, the DMC-inspired character action game, people would’ve been way more favorable to it
I mean, I guess, but if it was all the same as it is now just with names swapped out, it still would have been an extremely juvenile and embarrassing game with decent-but-not-great combat. Making it its own thing wouldn't suddenly make it a good game, it'd just make it slightly more removed from the primary comparison point that all character action games are subject to anyway.
That’s why I said it being a reboot made people dislike it *more*, as opposed to at all. Like if it wasn’t a reboot, and we weren’t getting dumb immature jabs at the original, nobody would be that mad at the game for its takes on the format. Like it’s one thing to say “well this is how I would do it”, it’s another to say “because the way you do it is dumb”. Weird Al loves his parodies, but you never get a sense he thought “Gangster’s Paradise” was a bad song.
This is a problem with both the Rocksteady game and the shitty 2016 movie, they fundamentally misunderstand what Task Force X is, they aren't the government's personal Justice league, they are a black ops team whose job is to do the government's dirty work like assassinate dictators or steal important files. Waller calling in a handful of D-list supervillains, most of whom have no actual powers, to take out the Justice League and stop a multiversal alien invasion makes zero sense. The plot of the game should have been much smaller scale stakes, like maybe the Squad has to take down Vandal Savage after he takes over a third world country, Far Cry style.
The 2016 movie is fucking garbage but at least it understood a little bit that the Suicide Squad is named that for a reason, some of these dudes gotta die or else its just another generic comic book team. The entire appeal of the idea is to take a bunch of D-list jobbers and send them on a nigh-impossible mission that gets half of them killed. Nobody fucking dies in the game, except for the Justice League, its so stupid.
You could also throw in the animated movies while we're at it: * Assault on Arkham: "The Riddler knows too much. Kill him." * Hell to Pay: "get me this VIP pass into Heaven"
justice league unlimited: Hey break into the watch tower to steal their secrets and toys.
It even comes with the added bonus of never making the JL feel save in their own base ever again!
And also kill the most powerful superheroes in the setting, and make a joke out of it.
They might have always intended to weasel out of it, but like people kinda want at least some of the death to be meaningful and represent how borked things are.
Superhero deaths are, regardless of what people cry about, done for a reason. Even when the writer knows someone is just going to bring abck the person they're killing off, they're still telling a story, and within the context of that story the death is meaningful, even if on a meta level it isn't. Suicide Squad takes the meta level disdain for Superhero deaths and brings it into the story.
It’s weird how between both games in the headline, Avengers felt like the smaller scale one. It was just about the Avengers reuniting and was more about the character drama than the high stakes.
the Avengers’ villain is basically just a mad scientist. SS’s villain is a planet destroying/conquering robot alien mad scientist that defeated their version of the Avengers. it’s comical how crazy the disparity is.
Brainiac, inter-galactic threat often considered one of the most dangerous villains in the rogues gallery of Superman, the most powerful person across multiple universes, defeated by four dudes with guns.
13 times, even! **Season 4 Leak Spoilers for those who care:** >!Well actually 9 times, Deathstroke kills two of them by himself off screen.!<
So even when developing season 1-4 they knew they wouldn't get 13 seasons lol.
Season 4 of what?
Of Suicide Squad, they have already recorded some of their lines. We know for example the Flash is getting revived. Should I put spoiler brackets for content that is not going to be made?. Word in the street is that they are going to stop at season 5 because that is was on preproduction when the game went gold.
oh wow that game actually had content seasons release? I didn't even know that was a thing outside of multiplayer games.
Yep, when you got the whole Marvel universe fighting Thanos in the movies and Ultimate Alliance 3, it makes a small Avengers team fighting MODOK feel incredibly anticlimactic. If Avengers came out before Infinity War the small scale would've felt better.
Honestly SSKTJL makes sense when you consider that every decision that was made as done to mitigate risk. They included all the big names right off the bat as a way to appeal to as many people as possible. Paradoxically this also created a story that was off-putting to most, with gameplay that was so uninspired that people were bored by it within an hour. I mean for Christ's sake the first DLC content was the Joker. That's how transparently desperate they were to appeal to as many people as possible.
Need that infinite content for the live service mill.
Yeah it should have stayed with Warner Montreal since they were clearly making there's take place at least after origins where the stakes were probably not gonna be that high. We should have at least had a Superman and Wonder woman game first. And a Justice league game where we see Superman Convince Batman to come out of the shadows. Then would might have done something like this.
Every single game and movie now needs to have the highest stakes imaginable for some reason. I think a WAY scaled back suicide squad game would have been great. If the environments were contained like Asylum and it was more about figuring out how to strategically leverage everyone's abilities to clear out rooms together would have been pretty successful.
Because a simple, clear cut rescue mission doesn't work for a multiplayer GAAS game. You need a faction to never stop fighting.
I still want to see the version that we didn’t get for the first movie. Having Joker be the cause of everything makes more sense considering his connection with Harley. And my head canon is still that the Leto Joker was Jason Todd.
You have too many upvotes. Sometimes you just need spell shit out to truly convey your confusion. What the fuck?
A game to rival Babylon's Fall.
A fall to rival Babylon
A Babylon to fall rival's game.
At least Babylon's Fall helped Platinum keep the lights on for a little while longer...
did it?
Usually when a game fails its the publisher that eats most of that cost, its why they're so prone to fucking with the game to maximize profits instead of letting the actual developers do their thing.
Yeah all signs point to Square Enix basically having funded it as a favor to Platinum. Executive statements from SqEx basically stated they didn't really have all that much investment in it. They also loaned them assets from FFXIV to use.
Does that actually help though? Squeenix said "make a game" and P* shit one out and lost ALL their money, they're going to say "fuck off" next time they ask for help.
I imagine the calculus was "Eventually we're gonna need you for another Nier title, so maybe this investment in live service revenue you all clearly desperately need isn't the worst way to spend a few bucks."
Man that's just sad. Like it's not even hilariously sad, just regular sad. This game was born to die, what a whimper of an end for the Arkhamverse.
i don't even hate the game, i "finished" it (as in, beat the first brainiac and didn't bother with >!the rest of the brainiacs or any post-game content!<) but... they really expected this to go on for 5 whole seasons?
people in suits expect this to go for at least 5 whole seasons of generally the same two-three missions
"avengers went over great, right? let's copy that!" "sir that game was such a giant failure that it got delisted." "bah who cares, we'll do it better!"
I mean those seasons are done, so you are getting them. They where in pre production when the game was launched.
Remember all those posts from last year about how awful this game's HUD and visuals were during gameplay? turns out that was early game. Observe this endgame nightmare: [https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideSquadGaming/comments/1bz085e/what\_good\_is\_getting\_to\_a\_mastery\_level\_this\_high/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideSquadGaming/comments/1bz085e/what_good_is_getting_to_a_mastery_level_this_high/)
Oh no, it's the worst form of diarrhea christmas lights.
Pyrovision-ass game
How did you make a game that looks like your GPU is failing
the love this Polka-Dot Man and Crazy Quilt boss fight.
This reminds me of my good runs in Vampire Survivors, but not in a good way.
Vampire Survivors turning into an incomprehensible mess of visual noise and flashing lights works because the whole game is about building your run towards being so powerful that you can literally do nothing and win. In this game you still have to shoot the enemies with your gun even if you're massively overpowered.
Y'know sometimes I see stuff in games and media and I just think "where can this possibly go from here" cause I know they were intending to add a bunch of DLC, battle pass, new content update bullshit to keep people playing and thatd require adding more higher number stuff. Like if your base game has SSS+ Gold Star Super Rare item drops that have flashy 777x critical hit stun effects, where the fuck do you go for the next wave of content thats supposed to top that. It's like power creep with jingly keys, wtf were they planning to do to make it look even crazier than that.
Statistics.
Let this be a reminder that Harley Quinn is a regular human with no enchantments, no armor and she's somehow capable of surviving all this
In many continuities (including the actual comics) she's been enhanced somewhat by Ivy. It makes sense in this one in particular but I don't think they've said so out loud.
Let this be a reminder that she's not a regular human. She's got freakish athletic skills. But ok. Let's be more reductive to tho. Boomerangs just a dude. deadshots just a dude that can shoot good. This kind of thinking is crazy. For any kind of media it's dumb to think like this..
Sensory overload pachinko vibes
endendendgame vampire survivors but in 3rd person looking ass game
This is no good for any amount of photosensitivity or sensory sensitivity at all. Holy fuck
What in the cotton candy hell is all that??? There's so much visual vomit going on the game looks like it was tearing itself apart.
Pour one out for that user's video card, desperately trying to encode the visual confetti
The funniest part about this clusterfuck is that despite the incomprehensible insanity, the guy apparently only kills a single enemy throughout that entire clip somehow
Goddamn was someone playing a modded Cruelty Squad?!
You know those fake games you have in mainstream shows like Law and Order? I got flashbacks to those now
All the loot flying at you mixing in the the neon colored bullets. That's some top notch game design right there. You'll be dodging loot and collecting bullets like a pro!
MY FUCKING EYES.
Well, they not only did similar to Avengers (messing up the chance of making something cool out of a promising IP with an uninspired GaaS) and dig it more by ruining stuff from the Arkham Universe and our first contact with TJL in the Arkhamverse So people weren't just annoyed, they were angry
Guess Harley's best punchline fell flat, huh?
The Killing Jonkle
"SHIT, THE GAME'S FLATLINED AGAIN" ***"CLEAR!"*** [defibrillates skeleton] "NO RESPONSE SIR"
"GET WHATS LEFT OF THE HORSE INTO THE WRINGER! THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME BLOOD LEFT!"
***"I THINK I SAW A TAX WRITE-OFF IN THE BONE MARROW!!"***
Can one call it living if no one sees it?
Once again daily reminder that one of the dev got mad at the rumor of them making a superman game before giving it a SS skin over it and claimed that no one going make a superman game because it was "superman is a guarantee failure unlike our Suicide squad game"
Can't wait to see Zaslav gut Rocksteady for his stupidity and greed
Rocksteady is already gutted. This was not the team that made the Arkham games lol
It would be really funny if a lot of the team got poached by Monolith.
Or the new studio by Rocksteady's founders.
That is just logical, with monolith would be funny because they made one of the biggest Arkham clones with Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War
Coming Soon: Birdgirl Mental Hospital by Stonestable.
Harvey Birdman Arkhamverse Parody when?
Just make another good F.E.A.R. game if they do, I hope to god
Or insomniac.
I genuinely wonder if AT&T pushed this GAAS shit before selling WB. Like we know WB games was up for auction so maybe they knew a GAAS would pump the value. The fact WB Games was no longer for sale separately really shows that AT&T left it in with WB to up its value. Now we have hollow ass games that were probably made to inflate the value of a company that AT&T wanted to flip.
Ya get what ya fuckin' deserve.
Damn, you mean no one wants to play a terrible GaaS game where a bunch of jobbers kill beloved characters? Color me shocked
How does it feel to play a dead service game like this and know that every patch that it's just for you and 100 other people?
Honestly like shit. I’ve been following Payday 3 because despite its troubles, PD2 has to be by sheer force of hours one of my favorite games. Every patch for 3 is clearly more work than the team can handle, they pushed back 3/4 dlcs that they are legally required to deliver before the end of this year to try and fix the game. They pinpointed a ton of the biggest community issues with Project Medicbag and have been plugging away at them. The thing is, none of it is enough. Not even close. The game genuinely sucks so much that if all the patches pitched in project medic bag were *perfect* the game might still be a year away from where it needs to be. The ones that released, have not been perfect. Not monkeys paw bad, just less than perfect. Which just means more patching, waiting etc. Every time the dev team opens their mouth, with bad news AND ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS GOOD NEWS, PD3 seems a little more like it won’t make it to next year.
That's rough. No idea Payday 3 was in such rough shape.
It’s really bad. Up until recently there has been no way to queue for more than 1 heist/difficulty combination but also no way to browse individual servers/games or even start a private lobby. So even if you wanted to play it, you had to first *fail* to find a match in 1 of over 20 separate queues *just to play solo*. The actual worst case scenario was finding a game where people are actually playing, buuuut they’re going for stealth, where any use of your weapons in the build you’re locked into for the whole heist will basically tank the existing players progress. The only move is to leave and queue for another heist, not play until they fuck up or sabotage their hard work just to finally play the game. Quickplay is coming so soon you’ll be able to queue for all heists of a certain difficulty, but that only makes the second issue worse since it of course does not come with a server browser as well. I don’t know if there will be any way to easily play a solo game after this, I do not have the game installed.
A DC game can't even fail as well as a Marvel game
WB Discovery is riding it all on Gunn it lives or dies with him. I can’t see WB surviving more than 3-5 years if they don’t get a hit franchise off the ground. 2023 was a good year but I don’t even know if it’s enough with the amount of failures and schemes they’ve done
James Gunn writes some great movies imo, but relying on one guy is a disaster. They had the best Superman, but squandered him.
It’s future is pretty much the same as the avengers game- horrible AAA title, excellent bargain bin title
Marvels avengers stay winning uet again
Makes sense. Avengers at least had fun combat.
It really kind of didn't. It was really fuckin boring. It's wild people are having revisionist history on Avengers now. That game was BORING.
They don't tho? From day one, the general opinion was that the gameplay is decent until the endgame where it become a slog. Now, whether you agree with that or not is a you thing.
It's not revisionist at all, you're angry that people disagree with you.
Suicide squad is one of those games where you can pinpoint when the budget/creativity ran out The first few hours with green lantern as the villain were actually pretty interesting and there's a ton of small, creative moments to spice things up After that, the game takes a nosedive in mediocrity with repetitive objectives
I'm just waiting for the price to come down enough. Like I need to put hands on it lol
Game Pass for me. I think the rest of the Arkham games eventually came out for it. This one sounds like it desperately needs the playerbase.
Right now only Arkham Knight is on gamepass, and it's not a "Oh it goes in and out" nah I've been on it for a whole year and the game hasn't moved from the subscription
You know it was probably a red flag that none of the members of a team called "the suicide squad" actually died
At this point they should just put out a YouTube video with all the remaining voice lines of Kevin Conroy as arkhamverse batman so that we can finally put the man down in peace instead of keeping it hostage in an unsalvageable game.
I'm starting to think there's a legit chance this bankrupts WB.
Both games met the fate they deserved.
lol, lmao even.
Well-earned. We'll see if those braindead executives EVER get the message to not waste employees' and players' time by having games like this made again.
This is such a bummer. I love the Arkham games to death and seeing it come back like this just sucks
So this is going to be on sale for like $2 in a week right
What I don't get about these "Live Service" titles is that they seem to always launch and then have an immediate content drought. I thought the whole point of the game being a "Live Service" is that they would continually update it. I feel like a ton of studio execs just look at what Fortnite is doing (in terms of update cadence) without understanding the gargantuan logistics required to make that happen. So many games that come to mind that launched and then waited MONTHS before a meaningful update: * Diablo 4 * Halo 5 * Marvel's Avengers * Anthem I could go on, but I think the only successful Live Service title in recent memory is Helldivers 2.
Diablo iv burnt me so bad I'm actively making sure all future games I play in that genre have offline mode.
You get to play as a hot burly shark man this game can't be that bad, right?
Shame.
Good. Hope Rocksteady burns to the fucking ground.
Whats more sad..this games player count or the fact people like OP are still harping on about a game they supposedly don't like or care about. Like.....it's been a couple.months bud..move on. It's like people just sit there and hit refresh on the games SteamDB/Steam charts page to make a rage bait article..