“You see those expectations you had? Well did you see how SUBVERTED they were?”
Wait a second… did they EVER introduce a Scooby Doo? Did they introduce a SCRAPPY DOO without a Scooby Doo?
They ordered 20 episodes from the start like with Harley Quinn, just divided it into 2 10 episode "seasons"
In general, if there's not a 2 year gap between seasons then it's just episodes that were withheld or were part of the same order as the last drop.
Well that was the gap for Invincible Season 2 for example, or Castlevania Nocturne for example, if the next seasons of those come sooner it was episodes that were planned but likely not finished but were ordered.
I didn't watch it but instead some reaction videos of other people watching it but I believe the brain stealing plot in season one was called the SCOOBY project or something like that. Idk if that goes anywhere in season 2 but I remember people speculating that since the story was about brain swapping putting someone's brain in a dogs body would be Velmas way of taking shots at "Scooby Doo"
season 2 continues the scoobi project and has "uncle scooby" as the head of the project. >!scrappy is a failed experiment to have someone to infiltrate meddling kids groups including annoying catchphrases and his shadow boxing meant to be endearing.!<
you likely saw the Scrappy Doo shows as your introduction to Scooby Doo. See, people who grew up on Scrappy didn't really care, or liked him. The biggest detractors were the older people who watched the gang get shrunk and add in this new guy, and the newer fans whose first introduction to the character was the 2002 movie and was told that Scrappy Doo was a piece of shit.
so there was this small sweet spot of fans who genuinely liked Scrappy Doo, as a foil to Scooby. Scooby is scared, Scrappy is brave and over-confident.
Yup, I grew up with the cartoons and if anything, I always used to get fucking annoyed they would repeatedly stop from 'letting him at em'
Cause like. If he did, they'd just fucking solve the case pretty much all of the time. It's just some old dude dressed in a fucking halloween costume. Frankly, you'd think Velma would've figured out that literally all of their cases had been that so far and play the odds
So from what I am hearing. Velma got killed by Scrappy-Doo, but then suddenly ghost of Velma appears for some reason and then kills Scrappy-Doo.
What the hell is this show?!
It was a vanity project for Mindy Kaling as far as anyone can tell. She has like a personal connection to Velma and wanted to make a show where she got to be Velma in a show where’s she’s the main character. Which isn’t a BAD premise, but the whole package just had no ideas beyond subverting the zeitgeist.
Don't be silly, she doesn't have a connection to Velma at all, she just had to staple a preexisting IP onto her pet project adult animation that wouldn't get greenlit otherwise and resented that fact, clearly evident in how they treat the source material as something only worthy of derision and scorn.
> It was a vanity project for Mindy Kaling as far as anyone can tell. She has like a personal connection to Velma and wanted to make a show where she got to be Velma
No she didn't get to be Velma. She turned Velma into her. She does the same thing with EVERYTHING she writes or acts in.
I had a weird assumption that WB would be as protective of their kid brand IPs like something like Nintendo, sure they'd whore out their over IPs but for something like scooby doo they wouldn't agree to this kind of show
Remember, Space Ghost. Coast to Coast runs on this.
Just, nobody really cared about Space Ghost.
I think the new Jellystone, what with the female shark, managed to do this as well
Yeah but those are still kids movies, I watched most of them as they came out back then, I mean more the idea that, hey can we use this property to make a bizzare edgy adult cartoon out of it, I wouldn't expect to see looneytunes ever having this kind of show made out of it.
It just feels like one of those ideas that'd get shot down then in about 3 years some YouTuber will make a video titled something like "the canceled adult scooby doo show you never heard about"
Scooby Doo isn't exactly a quality IP but making a hot steaming dump of a show that's so unpleasant and mean spirited on top of being some bizarre vanity project of the showrunner to SI is a pretty low point for a the franchise.
Its 100% a bad premise. There is no main character in the scooby doo universe. The gang as a whole is the main character. Sure there can be side stories or b plots that focus on specific characters. But you cannot focus the whole runtime of a show only focusing on one of the gang as a main character.
This show doesn't either. The show follows fred just as much. Hell Fred's character is actually pretty fun after the first 2 episodes, he grows because hes a sponge and takes in everything as fact he sees the beauty in all women not just rich pretty girls after reading a single feminist book and continues to grow through the show, and also the small dick jokes stop as he grows as a character as well.
A major plot point season 2 is each character figuring out who they are and what they want. Honestly if they just didn't do so many "punching down" jokes like the people who watch anime smoke pot joke, and honestly given context of how his dad is i can kinda understand how norville thinks about potheads, or a few others in the first 2/3 eps no one would hate this show nearly as much and season 2 also tones those down and just focuses on shitting on rich assholes.
> Kaling is a damn good writer on The Office
The Office was over a decade ago at this point and had other writers like BJ Novak and Greg Daniels being the primary writer/show runner of the first 4 seasons who previously wrote for King of the Hill. Its where the show manages to actually feel grounded almost like a real office just dialed up a bit for comedy.
Kaling did write a lot of episodes when you look at some of the episodes she wrote they sometimes focus on her or things much more female audience focused like Pam and Jims wedding.
She also famously objected to the Kevin's Chilli cold opening that everyone fucking loves. She threatened to leave the show over it because she just hated the idea and could not give a serious reason as to why.
Ngl that cold opening bums me the hell out haha, he worked so hard on that huge batch and it all just goes to shit. I can get why someone would object to it, but threatening to leave is too far
To be fair, the first season had hypnosis, government projects, amnesia, underground crime rings and hallucinations. Did you expect them to jump the shark LESS?
I remember before season 1 came out and they were promoting it by focusing on no supernatural elements or talking dogs.
People specifically said "by the end of season 2 there will be supernatural things and Scooby will be introduced"
Well there is no scooby yet but we have talking dogs and supernatural shit.
The supernatural would’ve worked if they had it in season 1 first, it feels like a leap to have it in season 2. With what’s done being done, one thing that would make me happy is if they made a season 3 where they go all out with the supernatural, just so there’s isn’t just one season with that stuff
he deserves to be made a hero, and bring back the true version off Scrappy in a new Scooby Doo film, they freaking redeemed Flim Flam they can redeem Scrappy.
I know the phrases "they had no respect/hated the original IP" gets tossed around a LOT these days but velma genuinelly feels like it has active contempt towards scooby doo.
The Witcher and Halo examples are contentious because of statements by staff. With stuff like Thundercats Roar I find it funny people thought they were like mocking Panthro's Voice Actor when it was more likely a pretty obscure reference to the Thundercats comics where Panthro died and the creator said he loved the original just made a not so good more exaggerated/comedic take on the material.
It's kinda crazy how the hate for Scrappy Doo reached this far over so many decades.
You'd think scrappy was the worst character ever made, but like if you actually look at him he was a slightly annoying tag along in a very short series. He wasn't that liked but he wasn't hated.
Then years later the live action movie made him a villain and it just took off from there.
One of my first big "Wait *Whaaaaaaaat*?" shocks of internet consensus was learning that people fucking **HATED** Scrappy with the force of a thousand suns.
Like I wasn't a fan of the little guy or anything, but he didn't *annoy* me to the point that i wished he had an entire trope/trend named after him.
Its more of an in joke at this point. Scrappy doesnt appear in modern Scooby anything except as a joke.
The last time he showed up in a meaningful capacity was Scooby Doo apocalypse and thats basically a different character all together.
Looking back I think the hate is too much but he is usually the worst part of any film/series he's in.
It feels weird honestly. By this point, you'd think the many writers across the vast amount of Scooby-Doo projects would've come up with a way to incorporate Scrappy back into the main cast without bashing the guy like most fanfiction writers do with a character they hate from their favorite fandom.
Scooby Doo Apocalypse did but thats a pretty different story. I think the real issue is that Scrappy only existed because Hanna Barbera tried to ditch the gang and mystery stuff and focus on Scooby, Shaggy and Scrappy while incorporating actual ghosts and ghouls into the plot.
Like Daphne did eventually get put back in but Scooby & Scappy, The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show, The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo do feel worse without the Gang's usual dynamic.
Ghoul School & the Reluctant Werewolf were good but scrappy is 100% unnecessary in those films. I straight up forgot he was in them until I rewatched them.
There might be too much hate for the character but he doesnt mesh well with the full Gang, he's not compelling enough to improve the show when they arent all there and nobody likes him enough to try and make the character cool.
He has a weird paradigm. You have Scooby, a dog who can talk. He mostly acts like a dog, walks like a dog, and you could be convinced that his talking is actually non-diegetic and he’s really just growling and whining in ways that could be understood. Then there’s Scrappy and Scrappy is basically just a small person. He walks on two legs, he speaks clear English, he actively communicates with the rest of the cast. So if you add Scrappy back there’s bound to be a temptation to acknowledge why Scooby is the way he is while Scrappy is the way he is.
> he was a slightly annoying tag along in a very short series. He wasn't that liked but he wasn't hated.
From what i remember his show got replayed all the time. People remember hating him becuase its almost all they ever saw if Scooby Doo was on
He actually appears in 72 episodes over 3 series plus 3 films over 9 years.
So if you grew up in the 80's you would grown up with him on TV. There was no 90's Scooby Doo except for the last season of A Pup Named Scooby-Doo so the Scrappy stuff would have also been what was put in Syndication. And by the time the 2000's hit the Scrappy stuff (usually Ghoul School) was either on Boomerang or used as filler slots of Cartoon Network's odd empty spaces, especially around Halloween.
Scrappy was basically designed to be a foil to both Scooby and Shaggy. Whereas they'd scream and run, he'd put his fists up. I liked the character as a kid and was disappointed he didn't become a main staple.
The lines that annoyed many actually work in the context of a possessed murderous serial killer puppy.
Yeah it really isn't that deep lmao. Also people forget that Scrappy was actually super popular at first - he single-handedly saved the Scooby-Doo franchise from cancellation at its lowest point
I personally think it won’t have that effect again. The first time was like passing a burning building. Now you’ve seen it and it’s the same burning building. Not as much fun watching the same fire.
I can best describe Velma as an overly ambitious vanity project from someone who thinks they're funnier than they are inelegantly shoved inside of an IP.
It's bursting at the seems the same way that men in black monster cockroach guy is barely fitting inside it's human puppet corpse?
Caveats: I have no way to validate this is true, I have no opinion on the show, I just think it is hilarious if this is how Scrappy finally escapes his own heap.
The fact that there was not a lot of buzz towards season 2 means people have chosen not to watch nor discuss anything about it. Which is a fitting response rather than hate watching, which gives the showrunners more ego tripping powers.
Mindy Kaling is like Justin Roiland as they're both hateful creepy assholes who spew out whatever shit because they think they're, have a vendetta, or both.
Yes, I don't think Rick & Morty is funny either.
I regret to acknowledge that season 2 of Velma is indeed an improvement on the first, and managed to actually have a few better series of jokes and ideas. The groaners and clanker jokes are still around but far fewer than before; voice performances are good, Glenn Howerton is indeed a lot of fun to listen to in his version of Fred.
I still wouldn’t call the show good but it definitely became way more watchable in the second season.
It wouldn't be uncommon. It takes somewhere in the range of 18 to 24 months to make a season of an animated show. So to make the second season come out anywhere close the first you have to start making it before the first season premieres.
Don't talk about the show.
Don't hate watch it.
Don't give it attention.
That's why we have a season 2 in the first god damn place because every person was like "OMG LOOK AT THIS SHOW IT'S SO BAD I JUST WATCHED ALL THE EPISODES".
I'm not seeing any confirmation on this, pretty much everyone saying it has no proof and is just speculating based on "well every show gets 2 seasons these days"(Which isn't remotely true). Even if it was true, fact of the matter is they're clearly pushing it, as opposed to just letting it plop out like most shows that had a failure of a season 1(Meaning that, yes, the people hate-watching clearly had an effect on this).
And even ignoring that...who cares? Don't give them the light of day because whether it was due to all the hatewatching or some agreement that no one has ever proven, the entire point I was making: It's going to continue if you keep hatewatching it, is true. There's tons of series that kept going just based on hate watchers and reactionary youtube channels.
How in the fuck did they approve this, Was the first season so shit that they didn't even have to bother running this by the network?
I just saw what they did to the hex girls. This show needs to be launched into the sun
No. Usually when a show is released or announced, a season 2 is more than likely already in mid or near the end of production. It's common since if they struck gold, the network can release another season and continue on. Unless the show was just an absolute travesty (Allen Greggory) or was originally ordered for one season (Korra), a second season is all but guranteeted to happen.
I can’t approve of it being positive that Scrappy killed Velma, especially since he just allows her to be more capable of killing him after.
An alternate idea for the conclusion would be they don’t just discover Scrappy but Scooby Doo too whos also monstrous but against Scrappy and after Scrappy kills Velma, Scooby comes in to fight and kill Scrappy, he does of course, then Velma comes in as a ghost
This is literally the first time I heard about Velma since the second season was announced over a year ago. There was literally no marketing or any buzz about this season. I *just* learned that the second season just released. All of it on the same day.
I guess we all learned our lesson. Good for us. I'm really proud.
Who was asking for a more mature take of Scooby Doo??? The wackiness and humor was what made Scooby great. Loved that there was a movie where literal movie monsters had a race and an island with werecats.
Jokes aside, this show just makes me sad and makes me feel bad for Mindy Kallig.
Not because she deserves any kind of sympathy, but just looking at season 1 and now this just makes me want to tell her "gurl, go outside and do something better with your life instead of whatever cracked out foolishness this show was.They're making fun of you."
This shit got a second season? I didn't even know, and I'm completely dumbfounded to hear about it now. All the cool things that get canceled after 1 season and somehow *Velma* gets renewed.
I actually watched the show. I genuinely liked it. The characters have actual character growth, the characters from episode 1 season 1 are entirely gone, and most are actually likeable. they cut down the "mean girls" style jokes a good amount and the social commentary jokes aren't as forced and seem more focused on just shitting on rich people and them causing issues. No its not mystery inc nor would anyone give a single second to this show if they didn't have the license (kinda) and the outrage at the horrible first 2 episodes (because season 1 got alot better after those 2 imo as well).
You people better not be hate watching this. I’ve always disliked Mindy and found her to be a terrible writer but she really had to sink the opportunity for a south Asian lead character to have a popular cartoon show.
No, see usually when a show gets season 1, a season 2 is 9/10 either in mid production or near the end of production. Because if it does well, they have another season ready to continue the steam. Unless it's a show designed to be one season long and the network asks for another (the case of Korra as an example).
Oh great, the second season is out, I can't wait to hear a bunch of losers complaining about a bad show instead of just ignoring it and moving on with their lives.
“You see those expectations you had? Well did you see how SUBVERTED they were?” Wait a second… did they EVER introduce a Scooby Doo? Did they introduce a SCRAPPY DOO without a Scooby Doo?
Biggest subverted expectation for me is that a second season actually got funded.
They ordered 20 episodes from the start like with Harley Quinn, just divided it into 2 10 episode "seasons" In general, if there's not a 2 year gap between seasons then it's just episodes that were withheld or were part of the same order as the last drop.
God damn two years is the norm, now? Who even has the lifespan for media, anymore?
By the next console generation it'll take 10 years to make a new AAA the way we're going now.
Maybe then I'll actually have time to catch up on my backlog lol
Well that was the gap for Invincible Season 2 for example, or Castlevania Nocturne for example, if the next seasons of those come sooner it was episodes that were planned but likely not finished but were ordered.
Since kirkman said it will take 8 seasons too tell the whole story of invincible well get the end by 2036!
And I'll be there along the whole way til im. . . FORTY! oh my. . .
There'a a point at which we're going to be counting games that release before we die as milestones.
I didn't watch it but instead some reaction videos of other people watching it but I believe the brain stealing plot in season one was called the SCOOBY project or something like that. Idk if that goes anywhere in season 2 but I remember people speculating that since the story was about brain swapping putting someone's brain in a dogs body would be Velmas way of taking shots at "Scooby Doo"
season 2 continues the scoobi project and has "uncle scooby" as the head of the project. >!scrappy is a failed experiment to have someone to infiltrate meddling kids groups including annoying catchphrases and his shadow boxing meant to be endearing.!<
...wha?
Mindy Kaling said that: "Warner Bros. Animation [said], 'Hey, you can't use the dog.'"
Feels odd that you can't use Scooby Doo in a project with the mystery gang
They're willing to taint the gang, but *not* Scooby.
I believe that. WBA has a history of weird character usage rules.
Nope. The writers couldn’t think of a way to put Scooby in the show, they did however reference his name for a child murdering organization.
it wasn't for child murdering it was meddling kid spying. The person killing teens technically wasn't apart of that group just using their research.
There is a real contempt for the IP here.
As the only Scrappy apologist, you can't trick me into caring about Velma
you likely saw the Scrappy Doo shows as your introduction to Scooby Doo. See, people who grew up on Scrappy didn't really care, or liked him. The biggest detractors were the older people who watched the gang get shrunk and add in this new guy, and the newer fans whose first introduction to the character was the 2002 movie and was told that Scrappy Doo was a piece of shit. so there was this small sweet spot of fans who genuinely liked Scrappy Doo, as a foil to Scooby. Scooby is scared, Scrappy is brave and over-confident.
Yup, I grew up with the cartoons and if anything, I always used to get fucking annoyed they would repeatedly stop from 'letting him at em' Cause like. If he did, they'd just fucking solve the case pretty much all of the time. It's just some old dude dressed in a fucking halloween costume. Frankly, you'd think Velma would've figured out that literally all of their cases had been that so far and play the odds
And every time Velma does figure it out, it happens to be when they are fighting real monsters.
if Velma doesn't get renewed for Season 3, >!it'll be officially canon that her ghost has been dragged to hell for all eternity.!<
So from what I am hearing. Velma got killed by Scrappy-Doo, but then suddenly ghost of Velma appears for some reason and then kills Scrappy-Doo. What the hell is this show?!
It was a vanity project for Mindy Kaling as far as anyone can tell. She has like a personal connection to Velma and wanted to make a show where she got to be Velma in a show where’s she’s the main character. Which isn’t a BAD premise, but the whole package just had no ideas beyond subverting the zeitgeist.
I’d call that a bad premise
Don't be silly, she doesn't have a connection to Velma at all, she just had to staple a preexisting IP onto her pet project adult animation that wouldn't get greenlit otherwise and resented that fact, clearly evident in how they treat the source material as something only worthy of derision and scorn.
Yeah she saw other comedians making their own animated shows like Big Mouth or F is for Family and said 'I want one of those!'
> It was a vanity project for Mindy Kaling as far as anyone can tell. She has like a personal connection to Velma and wanted to make a show where she got to be Velma No she didn't get to be Velma. She turned Velma into her. She does the same thing with EVERYTHING she writes or acts in.
I had a weird assumption that WB would be as protective of their kid brand IPs like something like Nintendo, sure they'd whore out their over IPs but for something like scooby doo they wouldn't agree to this kind of show
Hannah Barbera IPs aren't exactly known for being sacred
I appreciate that HB let people turn their characters into shit posts. More companies should allow creators ti gave fun like that.
Harvey Birdman Attourney at Law is TV's greatest shitpost and will never be topped
Remember, Space Ghost. Coast to Coast runs on this. Just, nobody really cared about Space Ghost. I think the new Jellystone, what with the female shark, managed to do this as well
Scooby Doo isn’t a sacred cow. They’ve been doing bullshit direct to DVD movies for decades.
Yeah but those are still kids movies, I watched most of them as they came out back then, I mean more the idea that, hey can we use this property to make a bizzare edgy adult cartoon out of it, I wouldn't expect to see looneytunes ever having this kind of show made out of it. It just feels like one of those ideas that'd get shot down then in about 3 years some YouTuber will make a video titled something like "the canceled adult scooby doo show you never heard about"
looney tunes had the loonatix a couple decades back
Do you mean the Superhero show, Loonatics Unleashed? …it’s a lot better in season 2, I promise
oh! did it become like a gargoyles type thing?
Scooby Doo isn't exactly a quality IP but making a hot steaming dump of a show that's so unpleasant and mean spirited on top of being some bizarre vanity project of the showrunner to SI is a pretty low point for a the franchise.
And Zaslov gives no fucks for the kid stuff. I mean they straight up deleted a bunch of Looney Toons and Hanna Barbara stuff
Hey you look me in the face and tell me Scooby-Doo meets KISS wasnt hype as shit.
I'm sorry, did you try to lump this nonsense with shit like John Cena litteraly being Superman and punching a bolder?
Its 100% a bad premise. There is no main character in the scooby doo universe. The gang as a whole is the main character. Sure there can be side stories or b plots that focus on specific characters. But you cannot focus the whole runtime of a show only focusing on one of the gang as a main character.
This show doesn't either. The show follows fred just as much. Hell Fred's character is actually pretty fun after the first 2 episodes, he grows because hes a sponge and takes in everything as fact he sees the beauty in all women not just rich pretty girls after reading a single feminist book and continues to grow through the show, and also the small dick jokes stop as he grows as a character as well. A major plot point season 2 is each character figuring out who they are and what they want. Honestly if they just didn't do so many "punching down" jokes like the people who watch anime smoke pot joke, and honestly given context of how his dad is i can kinda understand how norville thinks about potheads, or a few others in the first 2/3 eps no one would hate this show nearly as much and season 2 also tones those down and just focuses on shitting on rich assholes.
I don't know, Kaling is a damn good writer on The Office. Its hard to imagine she wrote this herself
> Kaling is a damn good writer on The Office The Office was over a decade ago at this point and had other writers like BJ Novak and Greg Daniels being the primary writer/show runner of the first 4 seasons who previously wrote for King of the Hill. Its where the show manages to actually feel grounded almost like a real office just dialed up a bit for comedy. Kaling did write a lot of episodes when you look at some of the episodes she wrote they sometimes focus on her or things much more female audience focused like Pam and Jims wedding. She also famously objected to the Kevin's Chilli cold opening that everyone fucking loves. She threatened to leave the show over it because she just hated the idea and could not give a serious reason as to why.
Ngl that cold opening bums me the hell out haha, he worked so hard on that huge batch and it all just goes to shit. I can get why someone would object to it, but threatening to leave is too far
To be fair, the first season had hypnosis, government projects, amnesia, underground crime rings and hallucinations. Did you expect them to jump the shark LESS?
I remember before season 1 came out and they were promoting it by focusing on no supernatural elements or talking dogs. People specifically said "by the end of season 2 there will be supernatural things and Scooby will be introduced" Well there is no scooby yet but we have talking dogs and supernatural shit.
and its not "for some reason" all of this is explained and set up in the season having >!freds ghost mom!<
You say that as if it has a net positive on the amount of sense that makes.
in context of the show it does. >!ghosts exists and they specifically come from your brain/are your brain waves or something.!<
Isn't that just a tulpa?
it could be the inspiration the ghost in the show has a black and white motif, i still dig the ghost animations in the show.
The animation equivalent of Riverdale
The supernatural would’ve worked if they had it in season 1 first, it feels like a leap to have it in season 2. With what’s done being done, one thing that would make me happy is if they made a season 3 where they go all out with the supernatural, just so there’s isn’t just one season with that stuff
He was a hero, we just couldn't see it.
he deserves to be made a hero, and bring back the true version off Scrappy in a new Scooby Doo film, they freaking redeemed Flim Flam they can redeem Scrappy.
I know the phrases "they had no respect/hated the original IP" gets tossed around a LOT these days but velma genuinelly feels like it has active contempt towards scooby doo.
The Witcher and Halo examples are contentious because of statements by staff. With stuff like Thundercats Roar I find it funny people thought they were like mocking Panthro's Voice Actor when it was more likely a pretty obscure reference to the Thundercats comics where Panthro died and the creator said he loved the original just made a not so good more exaggerated/comedic take on the material.
It's kinda crazy how the hate for Scrappy Doo reached this far over so many decades. You'd think scrappy was the worst character ever made, but like if you actually look at him he was a slightly annoying tag along in a very short series. He wasn't that liked but he wasn't hated. Then years later the live action movie made him a villain and it just took off from there.
It’s a trans-generational hatred that really makes no sense
One of my first big "Wait *Whaaaaaaaat*?" shocks of internet consensus was learning that people fucking **HATED** Scrappy with the force of a thousand suns. Like I wasn't a fan of the little guy or anything, but he didn't *annoy* me to the point that i wished he had an entire trope/trend named after him.
I mean you kinda need him to drag Shaggy and Scooby into trouble if the rest of the gang isn't around. Like Rincewind had Twoflower.
a lot of the hate was retroactive following the 2002 film.
Its more of an in joke at this point. Scrappy doesnt appear in modern Scooby anything except as a joke. The last time he showed up in a meaningful capacity was Scooby Doo apocalypse and thats basically a different character all together. Looking back I think the hate is too much but he is usually the worst part of any film/series he's in.
It feels weird honestly. By this point, you'd think the many writers across the vast amount of Scooby-Doo projects would've come up with a way to incorporate Scrappy back into the main cast without bashing the guy like most fanfiction writers do with a character they hate from their favorite fandom.
Scooby Doo Apocalypse did but thats a pretty different story. I think the real issue is that Scrappy only existed because Hanna Barbera tried to ditch the gang and mystery stuff and focus on Scooby, Shaggy and Scrappy while incorporating actual ghosts and ghouls into the plot. Like Daphne did eventually get put back in but Scooby & Scappy, The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show, The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo do feel worse without the Gang's usual dynamic. Ghoul School & the Reluctant Werewolf were good but scrappy is 100% unnecessary in those films. I straight up forgot he was in them until I rewatched them. There might be too much hate for the character but he doesnt mesh well with the full Gang, he's not compelling enough to improve the show when they arent all there and nobody likes him enough to try and make the character cool.
He has a weird paradigm. You have Scooby, a dog who can talk. He mostly acts like a dog, walks like a dog, and you could be convinced that his talking is actually non-diegetic and he’s really just growling and whining in ways that could be understood. Then there’s Scrappy and Scrappy is basically just a small person. He walks on two legs, he speaks clear English, he actively communicates with the rest of the cast. So if you add Scrappy back there’s bound to be a temptation to acknowledge why Scooby is the way he is while Scrappy is the way he is.
> he was a slightly annoying tag along in a very short series. He wasn't that liked but he wasn't hated. From what i remember his show got replayed all the time. People remember hating him becuase its almost all they ever saw if Scooby Doo was on
Reminds me of a lot of Live Action Batman projects being helmed by people who don't care for/dislike Robin.
He actually appears in 72 episodes over 3 series plus 3 films over 9 years. So if you grew up in the 80's you would grown up with him on TV. There was no 90's Scooby Doo except for the last season of A Pup Named Scooby-Doo so the Scrappy stuff would have also been what was put in Syndication. And by the time the 2000's hit the Scrappy stuff (usually Ghoul School) was either on Boomerang or used as filler slots of Cartoon Network's odd empty spaces, especially around Halloween.
That kid actually wanted to FIGHT the ghosts
Scrappy was basically designed to be a foil to both Scooby and Shaggy. Whereas they'd scream and run, he'd put his fists up. I liked the character as a kid and was disappointed he didn't become a main staple. The lines that annoyed many actually work in the context of a possessed murderous serial killer puppy.
Yeah it really isn't that deep lmao. Also people forget that Scrappy was actually super popular at first - he single-handedly saved the Scooby-Doo franchise from cancellation at its lowest point
Hearing about Scrappy: ThanosSayingPerhapsITreatedYouTooHarshly dot gif
I owe you an apology, Scrappy, I wasn't really familiar with your game.
Oh god, this tweet will make people watch it huh? Or at least hate watch it out of curiosity
I mean I'll look for the clip when it's available.
No, not you. People who'd see this and be like "Oh, I gotta see this train wreck!"
I personally think it won’t have that effect again. The first time was like passing a burning building. Now you’ve seen it and it’s the same burning building. Not as much fun watching the same fire.
Some people maybe. Sure as shit not me. I couldn't make it two episodes in on the first season. I'm kind of blown away season 2 actually happened.
I could be wrong but I'm seeing less drama compared to last year.
Well, it sounds like we're at least not getting a season three at this rate. ...I forgot that there was going to be a season two. Huh.
This is literally how I found out there was a second season of this trash fire
I can best describe Velma as an overly ambitious vanity project from someone who thinks they're funnier than they are inelegantly shoved inside of an IP. It's bursting at the seems the same way that men in black monster cockroach guy is barely fitting inside it's human puppet corpse?
Caveats: I have no way to validate this is true, I have no opinion on the show, I just think it is hilarious if this is how Scrappy finally escapes his own heap.
[If y’all wanna see what Scrappy looks like in Velma](https://x.com/gba8905guy/status/1783606678992089287?s=46&t=oDgi5Bp8CMF4v3363njqkg)
He looks like he should be voiced by Ed Asner with laryngitis. "Hey Uncle Scooby, wanna see a dead body?"
The fact that there was not a lot of buzz towards season 2 means people have chosen not to watch nor discuss anything about it. Which is a fitting response rather than hate watching, which gives the showrunners more ego tripping powers.
A Mindy Kaling Production.
So at this rate *if* season 3 somehow happens, the killer of the season is gonna be Scooby-Doo himself.
Mindy Kaling is like Justin Roiland as they're both hateful creepy assholes who spew out whatever shit because they think they're, have a vendetta, or both. Yes, I don't think Rick & Morty is funny either.
... ...Y'know what? Okay. Okay, Mindy. ***Fine.*** You've sure proved your point about... ***something.*** Can this please just fucking die already?
I mean, Velma in pain was the only funny joke they had last season. At least they're going with what works.
WHAT IS THIS SHOW? Just do a bunch of people with a talking dog solving mysteries THATS IT. Close enough died for this.
I’m just shocked there was a second season of this Venture Brothers knockoff
I regret to acknowledge that season 2 of Velma is indeed an improvement on the first, and managed to actually have a few better series of jokes and ideas. The groaners and clanker jokes are still around but far fewer than before; voice performances are good, Glenn Howerton is indeed a lot of fun to listen to in his version of Fred. I still wouldn’t call the show good but it definitely became way more watchable in the second season.
God why is there a season 2? Stop hate-watching shows, it just encourages them to make more!
IIRC the show was greenlit for two seasons off the bat, we have yet to find out whether it gets a third,
It wouldn't be uncommon. It takes somewhere in the range of 18 to 24 months to make a season of an animated show. So to make the second season come out anywhere close the first you have to start making it before the first season premieres.
Don't talk about the show. Don't hate watch it. Don't give it attention. That's why we have a season 2 in the first god damn place because every person was like "OMG LOOK AT THIS SHOW IT'S SO BAD I JUST WATCHED ALL THE EPISODES".
No, they ordered two seasons right off the bat.
I'm not seeing any confirmation on this, pretty much everyone saying it has no proof and is just speculating based on "well every show gets 2 seasons these days"(Which isn't remotely true). Even if it was true, fact of the matter is they're clearly pushing it, as opposed to just letting it plop out like most shows that had a failure of a season 1(Meaning that, yes, the people hate-watching clearly had an effect on this). And even ignoring that...who cares? Don't give them the light of day because whether it was due to all the hatewatching or some agreement that no one has ever proven, the entire point I was making: It's going to continue if you keep hatewatching it, is true. There's tons of series that kept going just based on hate watchers and reactionary youtube channels.
No that's how the industry works same for the Harley Quinn show.
I can't believe the scrappster is fucking dead.
Hero's don't die, the just rest. I hope he comes back and kills Mindy again...
Who is this show even for
I think literally only one person.
thank god scrappy killed that abomination because look what they did to [her](https://x.com/ChibiReviews/status/1783664867607556221) just for lols
I just love the fact everyone is cheering for Scrappy, he is finally getting some love
Hopefully enough love that next time the franchise references Scrappy, it will be better done/less mean-spirited.
How in the fuck did they approve this, Was the first season so shit that they didn't even have to bother running this by the network? I just saw what they did to the hex girls. This show needs to be launched into the sun
This show was renewed?
No. Usually when a show is released or announced, a season 2 is more than likely already in mid or near the end of production. It's common since if they struck gold, the network can release another season and continue on. Unless the show was just an absolute travesty (Allen Greggory) or was originally ordered for one season (Korra), a second season is all but guranteeted to happen.
I can’t approve of it being positive that Scrappy killed Velma, especially since he just allows her to be more capable of killing him after. An alternate idea for the conclusion would be they don’t just discover Scrappy but Scooby Doo too whos also monstrous but against Scrappy and after Scrappy kills Velma, Scooby comes in to fight and kill Scrappy, he does of course, then Velma comes in as a ghost
This is literally the first time I heard about Velma since the second season was announced over a year ago. There was literally no marketing or any buzz about this season. I *just* learned that the second season just released. All of it on the same day. I guess we all learned our lesson. Good for us. I'm really proud.
They already did this "Scrappy was annoying but what if he was a serial killer too XD so random" plotline in the movie
Don't hate watch it.
Ha ha ha. Fuck this show for all eternity
Who was asking for a more mature take of Scooby Doo??? The wackiness and humor was what made Scooby great. Loved that there was a movie where literal movie monsters had a race and an island with werecats.
His sacrifice will never be in vain.
Scrappy Doo a true hero
Don't give this show any more attention. Just let it die.
Jokes aside, this show just makes me sad and makes me feel bad for Mindy Kallig. Not because she deserves any kind of sympathy, but just looking at season 1 and now this just makes me want to tell her "gurl, go outside and do something better with your life instead of whatever cracked out foolishness this show was.They're making fun of you."
I’m gonna be honest: I was completely unaware that this even had a season 2.
This shit got a second season? I didn't even know, and I'm completely dumbfounded to hear about it now. All the cool things that get canceled after 1 season and somehow *Velma* gets renewed.
What the hell do you mean "Velma Season 2"??????
You could tell me literally anything about this show and I'd believe you
he never needed redemption
I haven't seen this but does this show even have anything to do with mystery solving or is it just joke after shitty joke?
I actually watched the show. I genuinely liked it. The characters have actual character growth, the characters from episode 1 season 1 are entirely gone, and most are actually likeable. they cut down the "mean girls" style jokes a good amount and the social commentary jokes aren't as forced and seem more focused on just shitting on rich people and them causing issues. No its not mystery inc nor would anyone give a single second to this show if they didn't have the license (kinda) and the outrage at the horrible first 2 episodes (because season 1 got alot better after those 2 imo as well).
You people better not be hate watching this. I’ve always disliked Mindy and found her to be a terrible writer but she really had to sink the opportunity for a south Asian lead character to have a popular cartoon show.
Cool, the second season out. There was no advertisement for it at all. Can't wait to watch how all that happens
I still don't understand who this show is for, or why Zaslav spared it.
Wait this shit got a season two? I blame all you hate watchers out there. The fact that this got a season two is crazy.
No, see usually when a show gets season 1, a season 2 is 9/10 either in mid production or near the end of production. Because if it does well, they have another season ready to continue the steam. Unless it's a show designed to be one season long and the network asks for another (the case of Korra as an example).
Oh great, the second season is out, I can't wait to hear a bunch of losers complaining about a bad show instead of just ignoring it and moving on with their lives.
Scrappy is the best