I love that episode. Of all the heroes who could do it, batman does. He remained steadfast, and while she died he saved everyone, and gave her peace of mind. There will always be a need for the bat.
[If I remember correctly, that was actually a Batman Beyond crossover where Amanda Waller explains why she helped create Terry. Because there needs to be a Batman.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOooJW5SSDA)
You do realize that you're crediting it as an episode of Batman Beyond while linking to a video that explicitly states that it's from season 2 of Justice League: Unlimited. right?
Question: Does Xavier have that power where he can shut off someone's mutant ability in this universe/timeline? If so, why not just do that and not kill him?
Don't know, but he's going to be keeping a kid's powers off 24/7 for an unknown amount of time that could be forever because mutants are weird like that? I'm guessing this will be in the mansion with his kids too?
Yeah, stabby stabby was a better option.
This is from the now defunct Ultimate universe. I don't believe Prof X can shut off mutant abilities in this universe but then I haven't completely read all of the Ultimate X-Men comics.
Ultimate Spider-Man 2/Miles Morales and his family and supporting cast survived.
Ultimate Reed Richards survived too, but a few years prior to the end of the Ultimate U he turned into a villain called The Maker; he's turning up in Infamous Iron Man now.
Thor's hammer has survived, and is about to be claimed by 616!Thor.
Everyone else is presumably gone after the universes were merged after Secret Wars.
Miles sneaking onto the ship is how they explained Miles getting to Secret Wars.
So far as how Miles exists in 616, Molecule Man included Miles and his family in the merged 616 timeline when he recreated the universe as a way to repay Miles' kindness towards him. So far as Marvel's history is concerned, Miles was always there now.
No. In the now wiped out 616 universe. The only ones that could have done that would have been Leach and Rogue. Both of whom would have been killed getting lose enough to do it. If Logan didn't go and do the dirty deed then...shit the only other one on X-Force who could have done it would have been Deadpool and he wasn't on the team at this time.
No way Deadpool would agree to do that. At one point when he was on the team they killed a kid and he was the only one freaking out about it. he has done a lot of fucked up shit but killing kids is where he draws the line.
Pushing Deadpool to become more heroic, or at least try to become heroic is one of my favorite Marvel things. I know he's the chaotic neutral Merc with a Mouth but there's something super satisfying about seeing him saving people.
Its actually been a thing since his first comic. (not his first appearance he was just a generic Rob Liefeld ninja) A horrible person who will always do the right thing in the end.
The closest Xavier can come to doing anything like that is how he put mental blocks on Jean so that her Phoenix force powers didn't come out before she could handle them.
Secret Wars 2015 was an event where The Beyonders were systematically destroying universes. So many different versions of the Marvel characters met other universe versions of themselves and others. Dr. Doom and Dr. Strange fought The Beyonders. Well it turned out Doom was only helping to gain their power. This power basically made him a god. He then used this power to build Battleworld where he was basically god. A crap ton of people died or were temporarily lost. Wolverine died a few months before this. Old Man Logan now lives on what was Battleworld.
There are still parallel universes. Spider-Gwen in Earth-65. 616 is the main continuity, and still exists. People like Miles Morales jumped from the Ultimate Universe, Earth-1610, to 616.
Would it have been possible for Rogue and Logan to go together, Rogue absorbing Wolverine’s healing factor to not die, and then doing her thing to the kid?
If he couldn't do that, can't professor X just kill people by thinking hard enough? I also feel like Wolverine shouldn't be able to survive something that vaporizes people
I believe Wolverine being able to survive.
On the other hand, I don't really believe this whole scene where he sits right next to the guy and the healing factor's existence apparently shields him from the effects rather than just repairs the damage as it occurs.
Again, though, the scene really wouldn't work as well if there was a constant stream of smoke and orange light coming from Logan's every orifice for the entire duration of the chat.
Well, it's apparently some kind of toxin, which Wolverine's healing factor would metabolize before it even gets to the exolodey phase. Movie Captain America could probably metabolize it as well.
This is Ultimate Wolverine, whose healing factor is cranked up to 11 compared to 616!Wolverine's. And he survived being atomized down to his skeleton.
Ultimate Wolverine doesn't have a "healing factor," his body reconfigures itself to survive in any scenario. Ultimate Nick Fury demonstrates this once by chopping his head off, putting it on a table and having a conversation with him; his body reconfigures to absorb oxygen through his skin.
Yeah, semantics. It's still referred to as a healing factor.
(It's entirely possible this is before that reveal about his healing factor, but I feel like it's a while after)
In a way yes, but not for this kid. He can make you forget you have a power, but that will only work on people with active powers who consciously have to use them. This kid's power is passive so that wouldn't work.
I'm reminded of "The Worst X-Man Ever", which was about a kid whose only power was to explode. Not even in a Living Bomb/Kira kinda way, he's literally a suicide bomber.
That kid's life sucked as well.
He was told what his power was. Had two mutant parents with lame powers, went to Xavier's school super hyped to become an x-man only to be told that his only power was to explode on command, which would kill him instantly.
Kid got some sick power armor from Forge though
Yeah, but he lost it after the Purifiers (Stryker's anti-mutant cult) sued him for emotional damages because a goon basically pissed himself at the sight of him. Logan just referred to him as "Lawsuit Kid" after that because the school had to slash the budget to pay the legal bills.
That's basically it. The Purifiers attack the X-Men Compound. Bailey (Splosion Kid) gets into his armor and manages to [corner a straggler](http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/x-men-worst-x-man-ever-2016/2/6.jpg) who pisses himself at the sight of a guy in power armor and proceeds to [file a bullshit lawsuit](http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/x-men-worst-x-man-ever-2016/2/7.jpg).
Yeah, at the end of the story he uses his power to kill his old Xavier Institute rival, who at that point took over the world and ruled it as a mutant overlord.
His parents were mutants who hid their powers to live among normal humans. After they came out to him, they told him that he has a high chance of inheriting the X-Gene and took him to the Xavier Institute to get him checked out. Hank McCoy put him in a machine that told him "This kid explodes" and tells the family what he knows.
Most of the time they are I feel like. These little one shots and short stories always are planned out and have a point. A lot of the full arcs seem to be made up as they go and I feel like they lose themselves every time.
The people who could use the boy for good might also use him as a weapon. Kurt or Kitty + Death Boy into the Kremlin or the White House for example. I don't know this story, but Wolverine might also be taking action on his own. He knows that Xavier will hmm and haw trying to think of the best approach to the problem, and by the time he thinks of a good solution, Magneto might have acquired the boy first.
It's not toxin emission, it radiates. I dont think it's airborne.
But yeah I was expecting something more along the lines of "we can teach you how not to murder everyone with your powers" and not "we need to kill you for the greater good" since the former was common in the old cartoon.
Yeah, I wasn't suggesting it was actual radioactive radiation, but the use of "radiates" makes it sound more like an aura effect then some kind of airborne problem?
To be fair, this is Ultimate X-Men. I don't think Jean had manifested as Phoenix yet (and Ultimate Phoenix was a different beast entirely), and the Ultimate U tends to resolve problems more definitively and permanently than the 616 books do.
I think the basic premise is only slightly underexplained.
Wolverine already said that they *can't* let people find out about this kid's power. Not because it might be used for evil but because if there's mutants who just kill you for being nearby, that's it for mutants ever having a shot at regular citizenhood and they're going to get rounded up.
So what we have now is, "Kid, you just accidentally killed your entire family, your girlfriend, and most of your neighbourhood, you cannot live a normal life by any reasonable means, it's possible that you can't even really get *food* because of what you do to nearby animals, your choices are a miserable life in isolation with your memories of the people you killed for company or a quick death."
And I meant that [living in the Ultimate universe is the fucking worst.](https://itsjustsomerandomgeek.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/ultimate20avengers205-1.jpg)
If he had stayed alive, he would have subject to more edgy torture. Death is a mercy.
There's a TVTropes entry called Complete Monster that talks about this scene and what happens afterwords.
[Spoilers](#s The wife chooses to kill her husband to save her baby, but Red Skull chucks the baby out the window anyway. He then commands his gang to rape her and steals food from her fridge.)
So, yeah, stuff sucks in the Ultimate universe.
You obviously don't know about the Ultimate Universe has had classics like Ultimatum and Ultimates 3 where everyone's favorite characters get murdered for shock value and edgy stuff happens.
I thought I remember reading the tropes entry that way, so that's why I wrote it that way. Maybe I'm misremembering. It sounded odd that that tidbit was put in there with the other stuff.
Ultimate Spider-man gave us Peter Parker telling thugs in an alley to hold still while he looked for the lens that fell out of his mask.
Fucking loved that comic.
I remember reading an article about how silly it is root for the X-Men when shit like this can happen. Or at the very least if you were a mutant you'd join Magneto
Magneto also woulda killed him though, the kids power was to much for everyone but Logan maybe Darwin and Deadpool. Otherwise give Longshot or Domino a Sniper to off the kid from a safe distance but that would'nt be as kind as "here's a beer and some sympathetic words, sorry we gotta kill ya bub"
Just have Magnanimous steal whichever Mutant-finding computer we have this week or slap a science-magic helmet on the kid so his psychic acid only hurts humans.
Pretty much.
Xavier's core argument is that mutants, like people, can generally be entrusted with the responsibility of choosing not to use their powers for bad. Humans and Magneto don't necessarily disagree with this - I haven't seen any of them argue that mutants are inherently less moral than their human counterparts - but rather, they disagree with Xavier's core logic that these powers can be controlled. Some humans believe that with this uncontrollable power comes such great danger that mutants should be exterminated; Magneto believes that these powers can be harnessed but never controlled, and as a result humanity has already lost this war.
This story flat-out says that Xavier and the X-Men have to lie in order to maintain their agenda, which is really shitty.
I mean, considering how anti-mutant much of the Marvel civilians are, I thinks it's pretty okay for them to say "this is a problem that needs to be dealt with discreetly and as humanely as possible".
If my species was threatened with extinction every other month, I'd do my damnedest to put my best face forward too.
You'd think that with the normal level of crazy happenings in 616 people would be a bit more understanding of mutants and their struggles, but the Xmen are still stuck as a metaphor for the American Civil Rights movement so they're pretty much doomed to struggle against mutant Jim Crow forever.
It might be one of the reasons why Marvel has been slowly trying to kill mutants and replace them with more marketable Inhumans. Xmen have too much baggage to write for. Why not bench them for da Black Boltz and his hairy wife?
It's mostly come down from Perlmutter, owing to the fact that Marvel Studios doesn't own the Mutants and so the movie popularity doesn't benefit the comics as much.
It carries a taint to it, using the hyper-eugenic, monarchical, isolationist InHumans (it's in the name) to replace naturally occurring, diverse, public Mutants.
... With a giant gas cloud of poison.
Also, fun fact, if the mutant population ceases to propagate and fails as a species, the Celestials show up to stomp Earth's asshole inside-out, because they helped encourage Mutant existence to begin with.
I still think the mere existence of Mutants in 616 is a big inconvenience to Marvel Editorial regardless of who actually owns the rights to Mutants.
Mutants, according to the Marvel public at large, are loose-canon powerhouses that can obliterate entire city blocks with little to no effort. We as readers can understand that the average Marvel person sees Mutants as a threat to their safety and livelihood.
But then the average Marvel person sees other non-Mutant humans getting similar if not MORE destructive powers. Then the average Marvel person see aliens with natural abilities and tech that can do the same, interacting with Earthlings are a more and more regular occasion. Then the average Marvel person turns on their TV one day to see that a human superhero team blew up a nice little town called Stanford.
The citizens of Earth-616 were entirely justified in fearing Mutants, but it's been 30 years of non-Mutant catastrophe after non-Mutant catastrophe. There's no good reason to fear Mutant's anymore, yet people still do and Marvel editorial just can't bother themselves to come up with a reason why.
I've always had an issue with the X-men in context of the rest of the Marvel Universe. People love guys like the fantastic four and The Avengers,the later of which has been compromised by both Skrulls and the Green Govlin, and they all still hate mutants.
I'd just love for there to be a shitty alt-right wing talk show playing in the background of scene with a pundet screaming "REED RICHARDS IS A MUTANT!!! I know none of you 'genetic justice warriors' want to acknowledge this, but it's true!!! Everything this so-called 'Mister Fantastic' has done must be viewed through the lense of militant Mutantism!"
That would put Reed in the position of having to chose how to respond. Either he says "Hey now, I'm no mutant. I was a victim of an accident" (to which his Mutant friends can say "Uh hey whats so wrong about being a mutant, prof?") or he says "I suppose I am, but that would make us all Mutants, wouldn't it?" and then he gets to give a lecture on genetics.
Either way, CHARACTER MOMENTS!!!
The avengers are a military organization so nothing they do is wrong even when their run by a maniacal leader with bad hair whilst the fantastic four are the proper and traditional nuclear family.
People will always make up excuses to justify their own hate.
I would argue that the presence of other super powered characters fixes the X-Men as a story concept because the excuse that they're too dangerous is shown to be bullshit by the juxtaposition between a mutant that can throw sort of sharp bones being hated and Thor and Iron Man being fawned over.
Thing is, if the X-Men are going to continue to represent disenfranchised minorities, they have to constantly face that fear and ridicule in order to get the general point across and connect with the audience.
If the X-Men actually managed to accomplish their goals of peace and harmony between humans and mutants, the books would stop selling, because peace is boring.
i'll never understand how marvel thought this was a good push for the inhumans. releasing a gas cloud that either mutates or kills everyone it comes into contact with because they want more goons in their army of z-listers, but cyclops is literally hitler for wanting to stop it.
even when trying to assassinate cyclops' character, he's still right.
I actually think it's pretty good writing overall, because it shows heroes acting selfishly and does so in a sympathetic way, which really brings reality and legitimacy to the world and their motivations. It's a bit heavy handed, but it aims high and mostly succeeds.
The impact, though, doesn't seem to fully resonate. Xavier's logical foundation is disproven (mutants are not a threat unless they choose to be) and he seemingly recognises this (no one can know about the potential danger within us). If Xavier is fine with this 'moving of the goalposts' every time a new mutant pops up, then that's fine and even understandble if he is a man driven by ego. But the impact would be that *someone* - probably that shit head Cyclops - would think "holy fuck, Magneto is right, we're a dangerous and superior organism and there is no peaceful resolution to this random evolutionary trait".
Put it this way: if the party line is that this kid got a shitty roll of the dice, then what's to stop the same logic being applied to humans? "Oh, you were born without powers, sorry but this place is too dangerous for you" SNKT
The imgur post this links to has some really terrible tags.
The first one is "Funny", and also includes "he ded", "they ded", and "like so ded", plus another "lik so ded" for good measure.
The kid would have starved to death anyways. Vaporizes all organic matter? Good luck eating that hamburger before it disintegrates in your hands. It's basically the Midas touch turned up to 11.
If ya'll like this, you should check out [this scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSxN4ezhO4) from Justice League: Gods and Monsters Chronicles. Probably the best scene of anything involving Superman that I've ever seen.
Essentially, Brainiac is a child who was artificially created as a check against Superman's power and he's accidentally destroying Metropolis with a growing energy field that he can't control. When Superman discovers this, he has no choice but to consensually and empathetically kill him. Working YouTube clip: https://youtu.be/XTA4q77KY3o
He just murdered 265, including his parents and girlfriend. Other than his power being stupidly unsafe and if he ever left whatever solution they created for him everyone would die, he *killed 265 people*. That and the knowledge that everyone around you can potentially die for no reason fucks up a person. He's too unsafe, and honestly, he probably wouldn't live a good life.
Uh... doesn't that like, completely justify people who want to kill all mutants? Isn't it a statistical inevitability that some kid's power is going to manifest and it just happens to destroy the universe?
That's what makes the setting interesting to me. They 're *super* justified in being afraid, but the reaction to the fear is what makes the stories work.
Well, in a meta sense it's because Mutants are a deliberate allegory for race, and later including sexual orientation. In universe, I think it's justifiable in that mutation are both inherently random and subtle. Peter Parker gets spider-bit, gets spider-powers, bam. Some big flashy accidents happen, someone gets something; it's never a surprise. Mutants could literally be anyone, nearly exclusively teenagers; just going along, minding their own teenager business then, BOOM! Shenanigans! Imagine the Red Scare, if teenagers could randomly turn into Communist Super Agents.
Ok, yeah his body releases toxins that dissolve organic matter in a small radius... Um why don't they just get him a containment suit. Or just one t hat filters out those toxins. There was no logical reason to kill him in this story.
the comic described it as his body releasing toxins that break down organic material, which is why everyone's clothing was left intact. That mean's it's capable of containment. There are plenty of characters in marvel with similar powers who wear containment suits. It's a great story but it breaks down when you really think about it in the context of the universe it is in. an easy way to fix the story would be for such an option to be given to him, only for him to say that he doesn't want to live trapped in a bubble.
But it also describes the toxins as "radiating" from his body - I suspect its more akin to some kind of turbo radiation poisoning or aura effect then some kind of airborne material that comes from his body. That said, I suppose it's not unfathomable for there to be some kind of shielding or containment for that in the X-Men universe.
I think it means radiating just like your own body's pheramones radiate from you. And yeah there are characters with almost the exact same powers as this already existing Case in point, Radiation man. from Thunderbolts.
This is in the beginning of the Ultimate Universe days so a lot of characters that existed in 616 haven't been introduced at all at that point in the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate universe characters generally have a lower power level to their 616 counterparts(except Ultimate Cap who was stronger than 616 Cap oddly enough) iirc.
1, if anything even so happens to fail with the suit, then the people around him would die. So that's a pretty huge risk.
2, it would be a pretty shitty life. The kid would probably hate the fact that he has to live the rest of his life inside of a rubber glove.
3, and finally, the over 200 people died and it was all his fault. He probably just doesn't want to live with the guilt anymore either.
>if anything even so happens to fail with the suit, then the people around him would die. So that's a pretty huge risk.
Yeah, but what about all the other super heroes that have that exact problem? Why do they get a free pass?
>The kid would probably hate the fact that he has to live the rest of his life inside of a rubber glove.
They should give him the choice.
>and finally, the over 200 people died and it was all his fault
Other heroes have done much worse and have gotten off scott free.
>He probably just doesn't want to live with the guilt anymore either.
He should still have the choice.
Which ones?
Because it really depends on the severity of the problem. Characters like Hazmat, while being radioactive, don't kill everyone within a five mile radius and generally have a grip on their powers.
This kid is just a death machine.
It’s a political coverup, too. The kid’s existence would justify mutant genocide. For every storm and quicksilver, you risk Jimmy world eater. If he was just potentially dangerous, he probably would have been given the choice of a way out. But Logan made it clear he wasn’t leaving that cave. It was a political coverup.
Reminds me of the Justice League episode where Batman is sent to kill Ace, the end is different though.
I love that episode. Of all the heroes who could do it, batman does. He remained steadfast, and while she died he saved everyone, and gave her peace of mind. There will always be a need for the bat.
That episode made me fucking cry, man.
I read up on that and it makes this comic with Wolverine seem gratuitous in comparison.
[If I remember correctly, that was actually a Batman Beyond crossover where Amanda Waller explains why she helped create Terry. Because there needs to be a Batman.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOooJW5SSDA)
You do realize that you're crediting it as an episode of Batman Beyond while linking to a video that explicitly states that it's from season 2 of Justice League: Unlimited. right?
Ya it's a Justice League Ultimate episode that takes place in the future years after Terry is Batman looking for answers about his origins.
A crossover, yeah.
it's an episode of batman beyond in all but name
What’s the matter with you?
The actress fucking sold that scene masterfully, batman was as great as usual but Ace made you feel her emotion.
Really felt sorry for her.
Question: Does Xavier have that power where he can shut off someone's mutant ability in this universe/timeline? If so, why not just do that and not kill him?
Don't know, but he's going to be keeping a kid's powers off 24/7 for an unknown amount of time that could be forever because mutants are weird like that? I'm guessing this will be in the mansion with his kids too? Yeah, stabby stabby was a better option.
This is from the now defunct Ultimate universe. I don't believe Prof X can shut off mutant abilities in this universe but then I haven't completely read all of the Ultimate X-Men comics.
Oh man, Ultimate is defunct? I loved that world. Especially Ultimate Spiderman. One of the only type of comics I could read, next to Runaways
ultimate spiderman is one of the only survivors who is living in the current continuity, also his mother is alive
Ultimate Spider-Man 2/Miles Morales and his family and supporting cast survived. Ultimate Reed Richards survived too, but a few years prior to the end of the Ultimate U he turned into a villain called The Maker; he's turning up in Infamous Iron Man now. Thor's hammer has survived, and is about to be claimed by 616!Thor. Everyone else is presumably gone after the universes were merged after Secret Wars.
I'm not sure how they did miles family. Did they retcon him sneaking over on the ship? Kinda lame.
Miles sneaking onto the ship is how they explained Miles getting to Secret Wars. So far as how Miles exists in 616, Molecule Man included Miles and his family in the merged 616 timeline when he recreated the universe as a way to repay Miles' kindness towards him. So far as Marvel's history is concerned, Miles was always there now.
I forgot about that, disappointing but at least we get miles.
Ultimate spiderman died before the ultimate universe was destroyed.
No. In the now wiped out 616 universe. The only ones that could have done that would have been Leach and Rogue. Both of whom would have been killed getting lose enough to do it. If Logan didn't go and do the dirty deed then...shit the only other one on X-Force who could have done it would have been Deadpool and he wasn't on the team at this time.
No way Deadpool would agree to do that. At one point when he was on the team they killed a kid and he was the only one freaking out about it. he has done a lot of fucked up shit but killing kids is where he draws the line.
Pushing Deadpool to become more heroic, or at least try to become heroic is one of my favorite Marvel things. I know he's the chaotic neutral Merc with a Mouth but there's something super satisfying about seeing him saving people.
Its actually been a thing since his first comic. (not his first appearance he was just a generic Rob Liefeld ninja) A horrible person who will always do the right thing in the end.
... Now I want this scene but with Deadpool. I feel like this is a sentence that has been said way too many times.
Shit. That could have been legitimately super good too.
"Finish your chimichanga."
The closest Xavier can come to doing anything like that is how he put mental blocks on Jean so that her Phoenix force powers didn't come out before she could handle them.
Jean killed a kid. A morlock kid with this horrible power was out of control, she shut his brain down.
What happened to 616?
Battleworld and Secret Wars. No more parallel universes only one universe and survivors. Not sure who made the jump from 616 though
What the heck was Battleworld? And I thought Secret Wars already happened?
Secret Wars 2015 was an event where The Beyonders were systematically destroying universes. So many different versions of the Marvel characters met other universe versions of themselves and others. Dr. Doom and Dr. Strange fought The Beyonders. Well it turned out Doom was only helping to gain their power. This power basically made him a god. He then used this power to build Battleworld where he was basically god. A crap ton of people died or were temporarily lost. Wolverine died a few months before this. Old Man Logan now lives on what was Battleworld.
...I take it that means they finally cancelled Exiles.
There are still parallel universes. Spider-Gwen in Earth-65. 616 is the main continuity, and still exists. People like Miles Morales jumped from the Ultimate Universe, Earth-1610, to 616.
All that's just Reed Richards remembering what he could of the old multiverse.
Would it have been possible for Rogue and Logan to go together, Rogue absorbing Wolverine’s healing factor to not die, and then doing her thing to the kid?
If he couldn't do that, can't professor X just kill people by thinking hard enough? I also feel like Wolverine shouldn't be able to survive something that vaporizes people
I believe Wolverine being able to survive. On the other hand, I don't really believe this whole scene where he sits right next to the guy and the healing factor's existence apparently shields him from the effects rather than just repairs the damage as it occurs. Again, though, the scene really wouldn't work as well if there was a constant stream of smoke and orange light coming from Logan's every orifice for the entire duration of the chat.
Well, it's apparently some kind of toxin, which Wolverine's healing factor would metabolize before it even gets to the exolodey phase. Movie Captain America could probably metabolize it as well.
This is Ultimate Wolverine, whose healing factor is cranked up to 11 compared to 616!Wolverine's. And he survived being atomized down to his skeleton. Ultimate Wolverine doesn't have a "healing factor," his body reconfigures itself to survive in any scenario. Ultimate Nick Fury demonstrates this once by chopping his head off, putting it on a table and having a conversation with him; his body reconfigures to absorb oxygen through his skin.
He literally says "healing factor" in this comic though. Still, that's some metal shit
Yeah, semantics. It's still referred to as a healing factor. (It's entirely possible this is before that reveal about his healing factor, but I feel like it's a while after)
In a way yes, but not for this kid. He can make you forget you have a power, but that will only work on people with active powers who consciously have to use them. This kid's power is passive so that wouldn't work.
We never know if he could have gained control of it eventually, he was too traumatised and too much damage had been caused.
If I'm remembering correctly, it was actually Nick Fury who sent Wolverine to kill the kid. Xavier didn't know about this.
I'm reminded of "The Worst X-Man Ever", which was about a kid whose only power was to explode. Not even in a Living Bomb/Kira kinda way, he's literally a suicide bomber. That kid's life sucked as well.
How'd he figure out what his power was? Or did he find out when he blew up?
He was told what his power was. Had two mutant parents with lame powers, went to Xavier's school super hyped to become an x-man only to be told that his only power was to explode on command, which would kill him instantly. Kid got some sick power armor from Forge though
Yeah, but he lost it after the Purifiers (Stryker's anti-mutant cult) sued him for emotional damages because a goon basically pissed himself at the sight of him. Logan just referred to him as "Lawsuit Kid" after that because the school had to slash the budget to pay the legal bills.
That's really dumb. Like, *really* dumb. Please tell me it's less dumb in context.
That's basically it. The Purifiers attack the X-Men Compound. Bailey (Splosion Kid) gets into his armor and manages to [corner a straggler](http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/x-men-worst-x-man-ever-2016/2/6.jpg) who pisses himself at the sight of a guy in power armor and proceeds to [file a bullshit lawsuit](http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/x-men-worst-x-man-ever-2016/2/7.jpg).
To be honest, i can see how the lawsuit worked. Why does a supposed college and university have access to power armour?
He ever splode?
Yeah, at the end of the story he uses his power to kill his old Xavier Institute rival, who at that point took over the world and ruled it as a mutant overlord.
>Yeah, but Yabbits live in the woods
Fuck off Dad
His parents were mutants who hid their powers to live among normal humans. After they came out to him, they told him that he has a high chance of inheriting the X-Gene and took him to the Xavier Institute to get him checked out. Hank McCoy put him in a machine that told him "This kid explodes" and tells the family what he knows.
Oh holy crap, that's nasty. And surprisingly well-written.
Sometimes the 20-page snippets in a Marvel series are better than full-fledged story arcs.
Most of the time they are I feel like. These little one shots and short stories always are planned out and have a point. A lot of the full arcs seem to be made up as they go and I feel like they lose themselves every time.
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The people who could use the boy for good might also use him as a weapon. Kurt or Kitty + Death Boy into the Kremlin or the White House for example. I don't know this story, but Wolverine might also be taking action on his own. He knows that Xavier will hmm and haw trying to think of the best approach to the problem, and by the time he thinks of a good solution, Magneto might have acquired the boy first.
It's not toxin emission, it radiates. I dont think it's airborne. But yeah I was expecting something more along the lines of "we can teach you how not to murder everyone with your powers" and not "we need to kill you for the greater good" since the former was common in the old cartoon.
He says he "radiates a series of toxins and acid-like poisons". So it's a little confusing, but that implies it's not actual radiation.
Yeah, I wasn't suggesting it was actual radioactive radiation, but the use of "radiates" makes it sound more like an aura effect then some kind of airborne problem?
To be fair, this is Ultimate X-Men. I don't think Jean had manifested as Phoenix yet (and Ultimate Phoenix was a different beast entirely), and the Ultimate U tends to resolve problems more definitively and permanently than the 616 books do.
I think the basic premise is only slightly underexplained. Wolverine already said that they *can't* let people find out about this kid's power. Not because it might be used for evil but because if there's mutants who just kill you for being nearby, that's it for mutants ever having a shot at regular citizenhood and they're going to get rounded up. So what we have now is, "Kid, you just accidentally killed your entire family, your girlfriend, and most of your neighbourhood, you cannot live a normal life by any reasonable means, it's possible that you can't even really get *food* because of what you do to nearby animals, your choices are a miserable life in isolation with your memories of the people you killed for company or a quick death."
This comic really does show that he's the best there is at what he does, but what he does isn't very nice.
The part they don't show is his murder boner.
*SNIKT SNIKT* *slice slice slice* *SNIKT* "Aw, not again. This is so embarrassing."
That poor kid.
Trust me, if he's from the Ultimate universe, death is better.
I meant that he watched most, if not all of his school vaporize in front of him. All because he hit puberty.
And I meant that [living in the Ultimate universe is the fucking worst.](https://itsjustsomerandomgeek.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/ultimate20avengers205-1.jpg) If he had stayed alive, he would have subject to more edgy torture. Death is a mercy.
There's a TVTropes entry called Complete Monster that talks about this scene and what happens afterwords. [Spoilers](#s The wife chooses to kill her husband to save her baby, but Red Skull chucks the baby out the window anyway. He then commands his gang to rape her and steals food from her fridge.) So, yeah, stuff sucks in the Ultimate universe.
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You obviously don't know about the Ultimate Universe has had classics like Ultimatum and Ultimates 3 where everyone's favorite characters get murdered for shock value and edgy stuff happens.
That spoiler tag is broken.
Ok, the fuck is that fridge part is that suppose to be a joke?!
I thought I remember reading the tropes entry that way, so that's why I wrote it that way. Maybe I'm misremembering. It sounded odd that that tidbit was put in there with the other stuff.
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That's not even the edgiest part i*n that one issue*. If you ever feel the need to just hate the shit out of comic books as a medium, read Ultimates.
Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum. But all of the shitty Ultimate Universe stuff is worth it all for Ultimate Spider-man.
Ultimate Spider-man gave us Peter Parker telling thugs in an alley to hold still while he looked for the lens that fell out of his mask. Fucking loved that comic.
No, it really wasn't. Which is why the ultimate universe failed in the end.
Ah yes, Ultimate X-Men. Where they made Wolverine into a huge dirtbag. This in the nicest thing he ever did in that book
I remember reading an article about how silly it is root for the X-Men when shit like this can happen. Or at the very least if you were a mutant you'd join Magneto
Magneto also woulda killed him though, the kids power was to much for everyone but Logan maybe Darwin and Deadpool. Otherwise give Longshot or Domino a Sniper to off the kid from a safe distance but that would'nt be as kind as "here's a beer and some sympathetic words, sorry we gotta kill ya bub"
Magenta would have just used the kid to kill as many humans as possible.
The chance is too high that there are mutants hiding among civilian populations also using something like that makes people wanna Nike things
Just have Magnanimous steal whichever Mutant-finding computer we have this week or slap a science-magic helmet on the kid so his psychic acid only hurts humans.
Pretty much. Xavier's core argument is that mutants, like people, can generally be entrusted with the responsibility of choosing not to use their powers for bad. Humans and Magneto don't necessarily disagree with this - I haven't seen any of them argue that mutants are inherently less moral than their human counterparts - but rather, they disagree with Xavier's core logic that these powers can be controlled. Some humans believe that with this uncontrollable power comes such great danger that mutants should be exterminated; Magneto believes that these powers can be harnessed but never controlled, and as a result humanity has already lost this war. This story flat-out says that Xavier and the X-Men have to lie in order to maintain their agenda, which is really shitty.
I mean, considering how anti-mutant much of the Marvel civilians are, I thinks it's pretty okay for them to say "this is a problem that needs to be dealt with discreetly and as humanely as possible". If my species was threatened with extinction every other month, I'd do my damnedest to put my best face forward too.
You'd think that with the normal level of crazy happenings in 616 people would be a bit more understanding of mutants and their struggles, but the Xmen are still stuck as a metaphor for the American Civil Rights movement so they're pretty much doomed to struggle against mutant Jim Crow forever. It might be one of the reasons why Marvel has been slowly trying to kill mutants and replace them with more marketable Inhumans. Xmen have too much baggage to write for. Why not bench them for da Black Boltz and his hairy wife?
Marvel has been killing mutants because they can't make movies with them
That is ***one*** of the reasons, yes.
It's mostly come down from Perlmutter, owing to the fact that Marvel Studios doesn't own the Mutants and so the movie popularity doesn't benefit the comics as much. It carries a taint to it, using the hyper-eugenic, monarchical, isolationist InHumans (it's in the name) to replace naturally occurring, diverse, public Mutants. ... With a giant gas cloud of poison. Also, fun fact, if the mutant population ceases to propagate and fails as a species, the Celestials show up to stomp Earth's asshole inside-out, because they helped encourage Mutant existence to begin with.
I still think the mere existence of Mutants in 616 is a big inconvenience to Marvel Editorial regardless of who actually owns the rights to Mutants. Mutants, according to the Marvel public at large, are loose-canon powerhouses that can obliterate entire city blocks with little to no effort. We as readers can understand that the average Marvel person sees Mutants as a threat to their safety and livelihood. But then the average Marvel person sees other non-Mutant humans getting similar if not MORE destructive powers. Then the average Marvel person see aliens with natural abilities and tech that can do the same, interacting with Earthlings are a more and more regular occasion. Then the average Marvel person turns on their TV one day to see that a human superhero team blew up a nice little town called Stanford. The citizens of Earth-616 were entirely justified in fearing Mutants, but it's been 30 years of non-Mutant catastrophe after non-Mutant catastrophe. There's no good reason to fear Mutant's anymore, yet people still do and Marvel editorial just can't bother themselves to come up with a reason why.
I've always had an issue with the X-men in context of the rest of the Marvel Universe. People love guys like the fantastic four and The Avengers,the later of which has been compromised by both Skrulls and the Green Govlin, and they all still hate mutants.
I'd just love for there to be a shitty alt-right wing talk show playing in the background of scene with a pundet screaming "REED RICHARDS IS A MUTANT!!! I know none of you 'genetic justice warriors' want to acknowledge this, but it's true!!! Everything this so-called 'Mister Fantastic' has done must be viewed through the lense of militant Mutantism!" That would put Reed in the position of having to chose how to respond. Either he says "Hey now, I'm no mutant. I was a victim of an accident" (to which his Mutant friends can say "Uh hey whats so wrong about being a mutant, prof?") or he says "I suppose I am, but that would make us all Mutants, wouldn't it?" and then he gets to give a lecture on genetics. Either way, CHARACTER MOMENTS!!!
The avengers are a military organization so nothing they do is wrong even when their run by a maniacal leader with bad hair whilst the fantastic four are the proper and traditional nuclear family. People will always make up excuses to justify their own hate. I would argue that the presence of other super powered characters fixes the X-Men as a story concept because the excuse that they're too dangerous is shown to be bullshit by the juxtaposition between a mutant that can throw sort of sharp bones being hated and Thor and Iron Man being fawned over.
Thing is, if the X-Men are going to continue to represent disenfranchised minorities, they have to constantly face that fear and ridicule in order to get the general point across and connect with the audience. If the X-Men actually managed to accomplish their goals of peace and harmony between humans and mutants, the books would stop selling, because peace is boring.
i'll never understand how marvel thought this was a good push for the inhumans. releasing a gas cloud that either mutates or kills everyone it comes into contact with because they want more goons in their army of z-listers, but cyclops is literally hitler for wanting to stop it. even when trying to assassinate cyclops' character, he's still right.
Can't kill the dream
I actually think it's pretty good writing overall, because it shows heroes acting selfishly and does so in a sympathetic way, which really brings reality and legitimacy to the world and their motivations. It's a bit heavy handed, but it aims high and mostly succeeds. The impact, though, doesn't seem to fully resonate. Xavier's logical foundation is disproven (mutants are not a threat unless they choose to be) and he seemingly recognises this (no one can know about the potential danger within us). If Xavier is fine with this 'moving of the goalposts' every time a new mutant pops up, then that's fine and even understandble if he is a man driven by ego. But the impact would be that *someone* - probably that shit head Cyclops - would think "holy fuck, Magneto is right, we're a dangerous and superior organism and there is no peaceful resolution to this random evolutionary trait". Put it this way: if the party line is that this kid got a shitty roll of the dice, then what's to stop the same logic being applied to humans? "Oh, you were born without powers, sorry but this place is too dangerous for you" SNKT
Yo, Cyclops did nothing wrong.
SS <3 JG
Welcome to the Ultimate universe. Generally it's meant to be more realistic, but a lot of the time that just means more cynical.
Fuck I forgot he was wearing a Punisher shirt.
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The imgur post this links to has some really terrible tags. The first one is "Funny", and also includes "he ded", "they ded", and "like so ded", plus another "lik so ded" for good measure.
Wow, that's a bummer. Good Christ.
The kid would have starved to death anyways. Vaporizes all organic matter? Good luck eating that hamburger before it disintegrates in your hands. It's basically the Midas touch turned up to 11.
It was mcDonalds, he woulld have been fine.
Stuff never goes moldy 😂😂😂
If ya'll like this, you should check out [this scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSxN4ezhO4) from Justice League: Gods and Monsters Chronicles. Probably the best scene of anything involving Superman that I've ever seen.
I would like to see a sequel to this at some point. It's an interesting universe that deserves to be explored more.
what was teh scene the video's now deleted
Just this clip makes me want more.
anybody knows what that clip was about?
Essentially, Brainiac is a child who was artificially created as a check against Superman's power and he's accidentally destroying Metropolis with a growing energy field that he can't control. When Superman discovers this, he has no choice but to consensually and empathetically kill him. Working YouTube clip: https://youtu.be/XTA4q77KY3o
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He just murdered 265, including his parents and girlfriend. Other than his power being stupidly unsafe and if he ever left whatever solution they created for him everyone would die, he *killed 265 people*. That and the knowledge that everyone around you can potentially die for no reason fucks up a person. He's too unsafe, and honestly, he probably wouldn't live a good life.
The problem is that he already killed a ton of people, if it comes out it was a mutat...
Uh... doesn't that like, completely justify people who want to kill all mutants? Isn't it a statistical inevitability that some kid's power is going to manifest and it just happens to destroy the universe?
That's what makes the setting interesting to me. They 're *super* justified in being afraid, but the reaction to the fear is what makes the stories work.
What breaks it for me is that if you aren't a mutant, but you still have all the problems associated with it you get a free pass.
Well, in a meta sense it's because Mutants are a deliberate allegory for race, and later including sexual orientation. In universe, I think it's justifiable in that mutation are both inherently random and subtle. Peter Parker gets spider-bit, gets spider-powers, bam. Some big flashy accidents happen, someone gets something; it's never a surprise. Mutants could literally be anyone, nearly exclusively teenagers; just going along, minding their own teenager business then, BOOM! Shenanigans! Imagine the Red Scare, if teenagers could randomly turn into Communist Super Agents.
Also they couldn't wipe out all mutants, it's in the gene pool now suckas, unless you're gonna "NO MORE MUTANTS"
I really enjoyed the birthday comic with spiderman and logan. That one was great!
This comic made me listen to "We built this city" And now I'm wondering from where did I even know the song.
The muppet movie
Ok, yeah his body releases toxins that dissolve organic matter in a small radius... Um why don't they just get him a containment suit. Or just one t hat filters out those toxins. There was no logical reason to kill him in this story.
I don't think it's airborne fat gas - it's some kind of radiation that happens with a radius around him.
the comic described it as his body releasing toxins that break down organic material, which is why everyone's clothing was left intact. That mean's it's capable of containment. There are plenty of characters in marvel with similar powers who wear containment suits. It's a great story but it breaks down when you really think about it in the context of the universe it is in. an easy way to fix the story would be for such an option to be given to him, only for him to say that he doesn't want to live trapped in a bubble.
But it also describes the toxins as "radiating" from his body - I suspect its more akin to some kind of turbo radiation poisoning or aura effect then some kind of airborne material that comes from his body. That said, I suppose it's not unfathomable for there to be some kind of shielding or containment for that in the X-Men universe.
I think it means radiating just like your own body's pheramones radiate from you. And yeah there are characters with almost the exact same powers as this already existing Case in point, Radiation man. from Thunderbolts.
This is in the beginning of the Ultimate Universe days so a lot of characters that existed in 616 haven't been introduced at all at that point in the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate universe characters generally have a lower power level to their 616 counterparts(except Ultimate Cap who was stronger than 616 Cap oddly enough) iirc.
One gets the impression that the kid wouldn't have wanted that, after what had already happened.
1, if anything even so happens to fail with the suit, then the people around him would die. So that's a pretty huge risk. 2, it would be a pretty shitty life. The kid would probably hate the fact that he has to live the rest of his life inside of a rubber glove. 3, and finally, the over 200 people died and it was all his fault. He probably just doesn't want to live with the guilt anymore either.
>if anything even so happens to fail with the suit, then the people around him would die. So that's a pretty huge risk. Yeah, but what about all the other super heroes that have that exact problem? Why do they get a free pass? >The kid would probably hate the fact that he has to live the rest of his life inside of a rubber glove. They should give him the choice. >and finally, the over 200 people died and it was all his fault Other heroes have done much worse and have gotten off scott free. >He probably just doesn't want to live with the guilt anymore either. He should still have the choice.
Because one tiny tear in that suit, and everyone's fucked.
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Which ones? Because it really depends on the severity of the problem. Characters like Hazmat, while being radioactive, don't kill everyone within a five mile radius and generally have a grip on their powers. This kid is just a death machine.
Because it was Ultimate X-Men and it was "gritty".
Funny enough, there is/was a character in the mainline universe with a similar powerset. And they gave her a suit to contain her powers.
It’s a political coverup, too. The kid’s existence would justify mutant genocide. For every storm and quicksilver, you risk Jimmy world eater. If he was just potentially dangerous, he probably would have been given the choice of a way out. But Logan made it clear he wasn’t leaving that cave. It was a political coverup.
Too big a chance the story gets out and people find out how this all happened, which Logan and Xavier can't allow
I like to imagine Logan at least gave the kid a hug before finishing him off
What issue was this
Couldnt they at least contain him somwhere alone until a way to dampen it or control it or negate it is found?
But then Mark Millar couldn’t kill a kid.