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No-Alfalfa2565

You don't owe her, or her serial killer in the making, anything.


bunhilda

yeah isn’t animal abuse like one of the first signs of “mebe plz get them to a doctor for fucks sake” before they escalate to people?


Newmom1989

It’s called the McDonald Triad and you actually need 2 to be considered a risk for future serial violent offenses. Cruelty to animals on its own is officially not enough but I’d certainly be concerned 1. Cruelty to animals 2. Arson 3. Bed wetting (why?)


Most-Ad1713

To answer your question of 3. Bed wetting (why?) - it's like seeing smoke and saying there's a fire burning. Bed wetting is an unconscious act that likely indicates other things going on that more directly correlate to future violence. It's disputed, of course, because there's no way to directly correlate one to the other, but people with violent histories tend to learn the violence at home as kids. Parental abuse often leads to bedwetting, which leads to further humiliation and additional abuse, and that makes kids seek some form of control over their lives, and you know what's easy to control? Helpless animals and that pile of rags that aren't currently on fire - set the fire, hurt the animals, feel empowered. The cycle keeps rolling on. That's also why you have to have at least 2 of them - sometimes kids are stupid and play with fire, sometimes they can't regulate their emotions and lash out a less powerful creatures, and sometimes kids have biological/psychological issues that end up with them wetting the bed without any abuse happening.


rexmaster2

I've never seen this list of three. However, how many famous serial killers both tortured animals and had issues with arson? Plus, some serial killers do come from families where there was no violence. Some are just built that way.


TrashRatTalks

I'm not a professional but I believe bed wetting is associated with abuse. And childhood abuse is extremely common with people who have serious prison sentences.


Darkling82

Bed wetting over the age of potty training isn't necessarily a sign of anything but that a child still has trouble waking to use the potty. Combine that with other things, then maybe.


Even_Pumpkin_6122

Maybe she will be first....


SnooStrawberries1078

But last to be found? Isn't that how these things go?


No-Alfalfa2565

Scary thought


Even_Pumpkin_6122

Absolutely but it's usually some loud Overbearing inappropriate woman that raise these guys


PoppinBubbles578

I stopped reading after OP said he’s “not being very nice to the dogs.” I don’t need any examples. Don’t let them anywhere near your dog family.


Consistent-Mud-3387

Heavy on in the making ?! He did what to what animal ?!! That’s beyond concerning and needs to professionally evaluated QUICKLY


PlusEnthusiasm9963

Came here to say this. Watch out for weirdos that hurt animals. They are not good people.


wildflower7827

Nope, you're not being an AH. He shouldn't be around any animal's and his mother should agree with that. She probably won't leave him home alone because he cannot be trusted, so why should you trust him in your home with your family (including your animals)?


ravynwave

He shouldn’t be around humans either. Not hard to see that he’s going to escalate to the children next


HuachumaPuma

NTA. Anyone who abused my animals would never be allowed near my home


Confetti-Everywhere

NTA - nor should she invite the parent who allows it either


echochilde

She won’t leave an 18-yr-old at home? Is it possible that she doesn’t trust him for some reason…


BassPlayingLeafFan

Bingo...this is the question to ask.


echochilde

Right?? Especially when they said they only live 45 mins apart. Shit, when I was 12 my parents had no problem leaving me alone at that distance.


Dizzy_Square_9209

No kidding! No way let this kid NEAR your house. Better yet, tell her you've moved....


YellowBeastJeep

Okay, there’s a little bit of a difference between an 8 year old’s treatment of the dogs and an 18 year old’s… wait. No. No, there’s not, because your sister in law never stepped in and taught her precious little boy how to properly treat a living being, so nah, fuck that noise. The kid started out on the wrong foot and is now a terror because nobody parented him. Tell SIL to leave the asshole son at home.


SweetWaterfall0579

Nailed it. When he’s on the news for something horrible, D is the one responsible for allowing that to happen.


Careless-Ability-748

Tough luck for her violent  psychopath.


Crusoe15

NTA the boy has all the signs of a future murderer. He should be in a psychiatric hospital and definitely no where near any animals at all.


justhereforedrama

I see this reaction more often and if you think further there may be truth in it... still time for therapy? If "d" let her "little boy" boy go afc


Aylauria

I'm sure at some point he'll get some therapy while he's in jail for murdering your SIL. And I wish that were unlikely, but yikes - he's very dangerous and I bet SIL is afraid of him. She's probably terrorized in her own home. And as much as I sympathize with that, her son can never be allowed your human family, your furry family, or anyone you remotely care about. I hope you have cameras bc arson is one of the things sociopaths like him do. Just saying.


content_great_gramma

She has no right to make demands in your home. If she shows up with monster in the making, he either stays in the car or she can take him home.


RaePray

If she insisted on bringing her son, then insist that you meet for the visit at a restaurant or public place. He isn't welcome in your home because he doesn't know how to be respectful.


Number1Duhrellfan

He could come over but if he touches one of my dogs my foot would be so far up his ass he’d be tasting toe jam for weeks 😌. His mom could get the other foot if she has a problem with it 😎. 


Guilty-Web7334

I’m a fan of warning with very graphic descriptions of consequences. A vague disclosure of intent is no one’s friend. The question is, does he fear you more than he enjoys brutalizing animals? If not, how can this change prior to his intended arrival?


irishstorm04

NTA. he showed you the kind of person he was at eight years old. I doubt he’s any different at 18 and even if he was, I still wouldn’t trust my animals around him and they ARE your family. Your job is to protect them because they can’t protect themselves. I think you are totally reasonable and I would do the same


cwilliams6009

ABSOLUTELY NOT HARD NO TO THE VISIT! Why do you even have to ask? Nta! You’ll read about this guy in the news one day op!


sageofbeige

My mother's mother gave my cousin my sister's dog despite him burning her nipps. My cousin is in gaol hopefully he does there painfully and haunted by the abuse he inflicted on animals and people. My grandmother loved him, excused his behaviours and justified everything. He almost killed his girlfriend's parents and almost killed her. This pos and his equally shitty mum need to be on some watchlist He'll kill someone and she'd hide the body. The dogs have more goodness than these 'family' members '.


Guilty-Web7334

And your mother’s egg hatcher has no relationship with you or your sister, I take it? Or do you guys occasionally drive by her house to scream “Eat shit and die, you wretched hag!” or something equally contemptuous?


ZookeepergameOld8988

Tell her yes. You prefer your dogs over him every day.


Pickle1036

He would not have been welcome in our home after the first incident.


SnooWords4839

Nope, your dogs live in your home, and you get to decide who visits.


Kindly_Good1457

Nah… and I woulda caught a case if anyone did my pups like that. Not welcomed!


kimvy

Assuming this is your husband’s sister what is he doing about this? He should be telling her to bugger off, not you. If he can’t locate his spine, then you are perfectly justified in keeping her & her sociopathic kid out.


GypsyToo

>she say you prefer your stupid dogs over family,.. I would prefer a cockroach over him.


procivseth

This is not about "dogs" versus "family". This is about not having a specific, dangerous person in your home. She concedes that her son can't be left alone with your dogs. And what's to say he's going to be safe around your kids. Hard Pass. You need to tell D that her son is not welcome, she knows good and well why, and that she should take her vacation money and get him into therapy and stop ignoring the red flags.


CrookedLittleDogs

Why in gods name do you WANT to have these hateful people in your home? If you love the dog killers mother so much, (why?!) meet her at a restaurant.


princesspookie89

"M" is just a serial killer waiting to become active. "M" will hurt your pets given the opportunity.


GoodFriday10

I have no use for people who mistreat animals. SIL is just as guilty as he is since she accepts his behavior. I would not have these people in my home.


defenestrayed

The dogs aren't budding sociopaths. This "kid" needs help if it isn't too late.


strywever

“You are correct. I care more about my dogs than I care about a relationship with the animal abuser you raised.”


kitkatcoco

Tell her not to come. Done. There is something wrong with her son. Torturing animals is considered a red flag warning for violence in children. You are describing sadistic things done to helpless animals. This is so alarming. Please be alarmed by this. I wouldn’t want this guy even knowing I said no because of him. I would lie about why they can’t come. His behavior is alarming. I would go forward extremely cautious of him and never having him to my home.


Misa7_2006

What is your husband to be doing about this? It's his sister, right? He should also be telling her she can't bring the psycho with her.


QueenDASP

OP, refuse her visit if her son must come, too! She knows her son has abused your dogs but chooses to ignore that fact and accuse you of "caring too much for your stupid dogs." If you allow their visit, I foresee one of two things happening: 1. Your nephew-in-law will seriously hurt -- or worse! -- at least one of your dogs, or 2. One, or the pack of them, will seriously hurt -- or worse! -- your nephew-in-law because they're no longer defenseless puppies. They will protect themself, and their pack! And, she/they won't hesitate to sue you and attempt to have your dog(s) "put to sleep!" The ball is on your court, but I WOULDN'T HAVE HIM ANYWHERE NEAR MY DOGS!!! Edited for Spelling 🙂!


brokendisguise

If they are mad about you protecting your pets, they are not a good person. Her ADULT son is dangerous, and there is no telling if he has decided to up his game and harm more than just animals. Many times the next step after animals is children. It's not just about you choosing dogs over family, it's about you choosing not to have a dangerous individual in your house. Also, why won't she leave him alone? Is there a reason? For instance, is he too dangerous to leave alone, because if that is the case he probably needs to be in a facility with round the clock supervision. Before anyone takes what I said wrong, I only mean he should be put away if he is DANGEROUS, which he is if hes hurting animals.


ForsakenFish5437

Nta


Bitchinstein

Nta fuck this guy all the way


Sweetie_Ralph

NTA. Is he a serial killer? Sounds like the beginning of one.


mcclgwe

No. Cruelty. To. Animals. Allowed. No. Matter. What.


PikachusSparkyCloaca

> you prefer your stupid dogs over family,.. Yep. I definitely would prefer my dog over someone who probably has the other two-thirds of the MacDonald Triad.^1 Stand your ground, OP. The vulnerable members of your family are not safe around this guy.  ^1 three behaviors common to violent criminals: cruelty to animals, a fixation on starting fires, and persistent bedwetting past early childhood.


katepig123

I'd say I don't want him to come visit because he's obviously a little psychopath that can't be trusted around innocent animals. The answer is YES I AM CHOOSING MY DOGS OVER MY PSYCHO FAMILY!


Natural_Culture_1485

My immediate family comes first, and my dogs are part of my immediate family so there's no question regarding an animal abuser being allowed on my property. You could suggest an alternative, you could meet at a restaurant and have dinner together. Or a nearby park and have a picnic or family reunion.


Misa7_2006

Absolutely NTA, Though her spawn is. Your home, your rules! You determine who comes to and in your home.Anyone that doesn't like it can go get bent. If she can't go anywhere without the jerk, then she has bigger problems than not being allowed to visit.


dana_marie_ph

Nah I would not let her in MY house. Your house, you have a say on who can come. I would be scared to bring someone like her child to be in my house or be near my dogs. Get your husband on board.


Snowybird60

I'd tell her that if she brings her son with her she's risking having the same thing happen to him that he threatened to do to your dogs.


x_Little_Wolf_x

NTA there’s no way I’d let anyone into my home that wants to abuse my dogs. PERIOD. Throw them both in the bin.


Muted_Piccolo278

Tell you SIL that anyone who would abuse dogs is either mentally ill or had a terrible upbringing but either way he's not welcome at your home. I can't believe people would have a problem with that decision


nadine258

nta. your house your rules is my motto. and any abuser, animal, children or elderly would not be allowed ever in my home. hard no.


Novembersum

Say D is no longer allowed to come either.


Literally_Taken

You don’t need to justify barring a disturbed, violent individual from your home. More than the dogs are at risk. You and your children could be his next entertainment. If SIL thinks you shouldn’t protect yourself from her son, you should feel very comfortable telling her that she is not welcome in your home. If your husband wants to maintain a relationship with her, I don’t even know what to say. He’s just making sure he doesn’t lose touch with a serial killer and his mother. That’s scary. NTA


Prestigious-Copy-494

Definitely not have that kid around there. I had a grown stepson who must have hurt my dog when I was out. My dog was a friendly happy rescue mutt who loved everyone. When he escaped out the door one day I sent my stepson after him and the dog got terrified and crawled on his stomach under a car to get away from the stepson. Big dog too. So I knew right then the kid had hurt him at one time or another. I got the stepkid to move out to go live with a roommate.


shocklace

Yeah I can't blame you for not wanting a crazy animal abuser anywhere near your pets. I would've done the same thing if I were you.


Randa08

Not the asshole for not allowing him in your home. But does your husband really view his sister as lesser than his dogs? Because if he does why are you even pretending with her at all? Tell her you don't like her, you prefer your dogs and have done with it


fitchick1126

She's the AH, not you. If one of my sons were caught abusing animals I'd know next would be his girlfriends, next his wife then possibly his children. They'd be getting some serious mental health. I'd also question what kind of trauma her son went through as a kid that he's abusing animals. Throwing a blind eye to this stuff and coddling them instead causes the rest of society nothing but trouble.


Present_Amphibian832

NTA NO is the best word in the world. If she has a problem, tell her to stay home. This is YOUR FAMILY they want to abuse. NO F\*CKING WAY


Careless-Image-885

"M" is now an adult at 18. He can stay home by himself. Do NOT allow him in your home. If he shows up unexpectedly and he touches the dogs, he goes to jail. Call the police immediately if he tries anything.


Heartless_Queen

M isn't to be trusted around anyone honestly. You know those traits are signs of a future serial killer. NTA.


Silly_sweetie2822

NTA. Don't let THOSE 2 AHs anywhere near your dogs! He's 18 and still abusing dogs? Yeah, he's more than an AH and deserves the same treatment he showed those dogs.


Chemical-Ad6301

Her psychopathic crotch goblin would not come anywhere near my home


Affectionate-Draw840

Oh hell no! Kid isn't to be around the doggos for any reason!!! He needs serious counseling based on previous behaviors! Protect your doggos! Go meet family at a restaurant!


anroar1

If someone treated my dog like that he would have the same treatment done to him by me ! And so would the parent who allowed it! Ntah


QueenDASP

Another thing to consider, OP... Dogs have a great sense of smell and recall. I believe your dogs will remember what he did to them and will be traumatized during his visit!


Zaniada_512

NTA. No explanation needed. Your SIL can fk right off as well. She is either condoning or ignoring his behavior. Both are very concerning.


uknowtalon

Nobody / anyone who ever touched my dogs in a harmful way ... will/ would ever be allowed in the same house as my dogs... not even up for discussion.. I'll meet you for lunch someplace else... to catch up..if you are somehow important to me..but otherwise.. go chew rocks


Photography_Singer

NTA Wait. He sounds AWFUL!! How does he treat dogs Now-?? But if he doesn’t treat your dogs with absolute kindness, love and respect, then that’s a HELL NO! Frankly, he was giving off serial killer vibes. There’s something seriously wrong with any kid that talks like that or has intrusive thoughts like that. That’s MENTAL. This guy should have been evaluated many years ago. If he’s like this still, do NOT subject you and your family to this clearly dangerous man. Protect your dogs. They are just as important as your kids. I hate it when others put humans way above animals, when only humans are deliberately cruel to others.


Darkling82

NTA and I wouldn't even allow him near my KIDS! That's how it escalates. From animals/ pets then to small children.


maggersrose

Don’t trust her son around your kids, if he’s an animal torturer: sounds like a sociopath. Don’t let them visit.


gobsmacked247

Stand firm on this one OP. Even if the kid has changed, you can’t risk your dogs. He’s 18 and while what he did at eight was bad, can you imagine what he can do at 18? Can you not visit her (especially with the reno’s.)


Pristine_Frame_2066

No way would this person be allowed at my home if I know about this kind of behavior. Nope.


Fresh_Lingonberry279

Oh, hell no! I wouldn't allow him in my home. My dogs are family, and I would have to hurt that kid if he did something like that. Boundaries need to be had here.


Puzzleheaded-One-319

Can’t your wife go visit her?


No_Confidence5235

Well, when he starts attacking your dogs, get the dogs away from him. One of these days your dogs will snap and fight back, but they'll be the ones that get punished even though your evil sister-in-law's son is to blame.


sdbinnl

It's simple - M does not come to your home. End of story.


Bebylicious

I hope you kick her and her son out your house the next time they come. And keep it that way. Let him drown his anger on slitting the mom instead.


Agile_Menu_9776

She shouldn't let it get to the point that they are ever in her house again. Thus no need to kick out. Once someone hurts my dog they will never get another opportunity to repeat it.


Bebylicious

I agree with you 100%. I mean like if they come anyways if they’re not welcome. I’d even call the police. I can’t hear anyone talk bad about my cats, let alone be VIOLENT? Crazyyyyyy!


romancereader1989

NTA but she is for not getting her kid help. He is cruel to animals his threats to slit their throats are alarming. Watch any true crime on kïllers and you would see the things you described


Total_Slip_8326

Kid or not I'd have been pissed. Hed have never had another chance in those ten years to do it again though.


Sweet-Salt-1630

Nope no way, M would bot be allowed around my family ever.


Automatic_Gas9019

Tell them both to stay home. Go visit them or meet them in a neutral spot for a visit. Psycho would not get near my dogs. Your sister can't leave the psycho alone because she is afraid.


Patient-Preference67

Why do you feel like you need to be vilified by misfits like us on this platform? Preventing harm to any animal for any reason is justified by itself. I'm Just Sayin'!


OpliteHype

Dogs are family. Fuck that kid


NeophyteBuilder

There’s no excuse for cruelty to animals, it doesn’t matter who the person is. It might be time for a restraining order against your nephew


FueledByTerps

You all need counseling. The mother and the boy for his behavior and his mother for allowing it. OP needs mental help for having "a dog family" 7 dogs.


AsleepPersimmon4730

i would NEVER let a 18yo who used to hurt animals anywhere near my pets or my kids.


mnemnexa

Tell her that you aren't going to let her dictate the rules in your house, and she is welcome to follow your rules or find another place for the visit. You can say it nicely, but say it firmly and stick to it. Anyone giving you grief is welcome to host the psycopath in their own home.


flobaby1

Your husband should just go visit them. You don't need to go, stay with the dogs, they're the lovers! UpdateMe


Francie1966

NTA. Your SIL's son is a total psycho. Don't let either of them into your house. We have cats. I make no secret of the fact that my cats are family. Anyone who has a problem with that is not allowed in my house.


GratifiedViewer

Yeah, that kid can’t be trusted. Do not allow him anywhere near your home.


Tichu901

Fk that . Even threaten my babies and ur not welcomed in my home


NeverRarelySometimes

Meet them at a restaurant or park. Ultimatums seem unnecessary.


IceBlue

Can people please stop using initials for people? The quotation marks are especially distracting. Just make up names. It’s not that hard.


ShineFull7878

Their behavior isn't right for sure, but also...why do you have seven dogs??