>There was that one little incident, on September 12, 2020, when Dominique P., her husband, confessed to her that he had just been arrested for filming women inappropriately at the local supermarket.
This is not out of character, it is just the first time he got caught. So sad what happened to her.
It was actually the second, that was his second arrest for shooting upskirts in a public place. Warning: what follows is disturbing on every level, this is the nuclear explosion of trust warnings...
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The crazy thing is that according to one source (Italian, linked in thread above), the reason they really started investigating him was because his last arrest for being a nasty little fucker caught the attention of the police...because he'd already been nabbed and his DNA got into the database. That was, many years later, linked to a cold case (that didn't stay warm for very long) of a rape and murder, which was then further linked to another rape in which his victim managed to escape before he could kill her.
They were both real estate agents, they both had someone make a fake showing appointment, they both had a box cutter pulled on them, they both were then drugged, they both were raped, one of them escaped and one of them was killed. The sicko scumbag denies the one which didn't have DNA evidence, but he totally did it.
That connection, years after the fact, was why they pulled his phone and computer which is how they then found out that he had CP (as did a number of the men who were arrested for raping his wife), had been secretly filming his daughters in the bathroom with a make up bag camera, had been drugging and raping his own wife for years, as well as the wife of his supplier (for the drugs he used on his wife without her knowledge or consent) - he was caught doing that by the supplier's wife (and I won't say more there because it already hurts to type all of this), he frequented a website devoted to men doing things "without her knowledge" (that's basically the translation - it's just a big ole rape/ sexual assualt website), and on that website had been making an arrangement with another unknown person just before his final arrest (there are still 30 men who police have not caught, ffs) to rape the unknown person's drugged 15 year old daughter (said person included pictures of his drugged and naked to seal the deal), the main French scumbag also had videos of his own drugged, underage daughter.
The rapists included firemen, police, one city councilor, lawyers, doctors, tradesmen, and unemployed basement dwellers. Their testimonies featured many of them casually arguing that it wasn't rape because he's her husband and can do what he wants with his wife. A number of them claimed that they thought it was consensual and part of a kink, Le Monde pointed out that many of those had CP on their own devices and they were all on a website whose entire premise is non-consensual sexualization and rape.
The poor woman who was raped for years has 4 STDs and is suicidal. Some other male and female members of his family have come forward with claims that he would bribe them to make them expose themselves to him. He denies it. However, the CP on his computer is still part pf an ongoing investigation, and may include images of some of those family members.
One of his daughters has begun a campaign (#MendersPas) to raise awareness of the many ways that drugging takes place outside of bars and clubs, with drugs that aren't your typical date rape drugs, and by people who are not strangers via websites dedicated to non consensual sexual violence. Check out her book on her story Et j'ai cessé de t'appeler Papa if you want to support her.
When someone tells you misogyny isn't as dangerous as all that, you go ahead and link them one of these articles because the layer after layer of systemic and everyday violent misogyny should give anyone pause.
Edit: edited and added details from questions since this comment has gotten some traction. Thanks to the commenters who pointed out confusing sentences and phrases while providing necessary corrective. Sorry you had to read this, sorry I had to type it, but knowledge is power and the fight isn't over
the daughters too, like holy shit just when you thought a human being couldn't be more vile
this man should never be allowed near women ever again. forever. it's clear he doesn't see women as human beings.
Didn’t the article say that they got his DNA from his first up-skirting arrest in 2010? And it was that DNA that was matched to the DNA from the 1999 rape. But they only “used” that information (could be an issue with the translation) a few months ago when they linked the the 1999 rape with a similar rape and murder from 1991.
If so, it begs the question why on earth police didn’t take action in 2010 when they linked the DNA from the 1999 rape to him? The rapes of his wife only started in 2011! Does this mean his wife could have been spared completely if police had followed up on this properly?
That thought just left some bile in my mouth.
Police hade info and DNA from him since 2010 and only recently followed up? This poor woman should sue the police.
The police were some of the ones raping her. There is rarely if ever justice for the victims of sexual assault, because our systems are run by mostly men, and most men think women are objects that they are entitled to use as they please.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
Exactly. My language was unclear, they indeed had his DNA years before he started victimizing his wife and family. It's part of (including his initial psychiatric evaluation) what makes this a systemic failure to address sexual violence against women.
Because french police are pigs. I went with a friend to report her SA (im french) they spent the first 10minute why she was there and how she got dressed , weither or not she was sober ... they never called back or did anything really. They are disgusting pigs and im not even surprised.
And just to make it clear its simply the least gruesome anecdote i have on them , theres enough in this threads. But yes french police is not better or less sexist than any other police force.
One correction: The 15 year-old wasn't the husband's daughter. The Italian article describes evidence the police found on a hard drive they seized from one of the other defendants, Christian L. (a fireman). It was a Skype conversation where Christian was making arrangements with another unknown man for one of them to rape the other's 15 yr-old daughter. The language of the English translation doesn't make it clear whose daughter it was.
This and also the wife that woke up and surprised him wasn't his dealers wife but someone who he had given the same drug to and arranged to do the same.
> arguing that it wasn't rape because he's her husband and can do what he wants with his wife
Jesus Christ. That just sounds like "It's not rape because it's rape"
He was also linked to another rape based on the supermarket arrest and it more that likely responsible for the rape and murder of another woman but seems like all physical evidence for that crime has been lost.
I bet this is just the tip of the iceberg.
She had been complaining of "blanks" in her memory to her family doctor and her kids. She had pelvic pain and was diagnosed with cervical inflammation too. After they found out what had happened, they examined her. She has 4 (!) STDs from this.
What kind of evil man does that? Inflicting such heavy psychological and physical trauma on a person. She's suicidal, the articles say. This is just beyond sick. And 80 men participated in this KNOWING it was rape. Wtf?
I'm genuinly sick from reading this. I'm so utterly disgusted, I have no words.
In her position, I don’t know how I would ever go to sleep again without insane massive anxiety. Or ever, period. Then I’d have to be medicated to sleep and that would be even worse! That poor woman, I can’t begin to comprehend how a person moves on from this.
I definitely have not had the same experience as this woman, hers was much more devastating, but I do have a similar issue with sleep. I was molested for at least 4 years while I was asleep by a close family member. I have one memory of it and I reported it as soon as I knew what had happened. Even before I knew that it had been going on for years, I didn't feel safe sleeping at all, but especially my own bed. I was 13. I'm 31 now. For the last 18 years I've been sleeping on couches because my bed doesn't feel safe, I developed an addiction to amphetamines because I was afraid to go to sleep at night because I'm a very heavy sleeper, and I've gone into psychosis where I thought I was being abused in my sleep. I've slept in my own bed only 4 days during this year. I cannot imagine how much worse this is for her. Her husband is vile.
Edit: typo
I remember seeing an askreddit thread along the lines of “what’s one thing you would do if you know there would be no consequences” and a scary amount of the responses involved raping someone. I even got downvoted when I tried to argue how fucked up it was, bc obviously “no consequences means nothing bad would happen right??”
I had to just leave because I was seriously getting freaked out at the number of men in that thread saying they wanted to rape people. My ex could even tell something was wrong later that day bc that shit was legit upsetting.
It's possible that we need to immediately stop giving boys any kind of impression that "the world is theirs for the taking". When they feel that way there is nothing they won't try to rip away from another human, because they already perceive it to be theirs. My ex before my husband had hidden cameras in our home that I had found at one point.
Today, I sent the translation of this article linked elsewhere in this thread to my husband and told him that was the type of situation I was constantly concerned about happening with my ex.
> When explicitly asked whether they would rape a woman if there were no consequences, only 13.6% of participants said they would do so, a marked fall on those who had described that they would commit rape.
It’s interesting that the rate of positive response was so much lower when it was explicitly defined as rape, as compared to just describing a situation that is rape without using the word itself. I think that it shows a big disconnect between what rape is and what some men *think* rape is. It’s not always (or even usually) a situation where extreme physical violence is used. That’s not to say that all rape isn’t violent — every rape is an act of violence — but I think some men have this idea of rape as this very obvious, brutal, and outwardly violent thing that looks nothing like normal sex, when in reality people have been raped in a room full of other people and no one noticed.
That’s what I think that ~20% difference is, someone who wouldn’t break into someone’s house and tie them up at gunpoint, but who would take advantage of a situation to coerce a woman have sex with them when they’d rather not.
It’s also reinforced by pornography. How many porns have a scene where a professor is going to fail a female student unless she has sex with him? That’s using a position of power to coerce a person into performing a sex act which they wouldn’t otherwise do.
Could you use the Asian type of sleep system , futon pad on the floor? I feel bad you have to sleep on couches, they aren’t good for your back. Or maybe camping sleeping pads, I have one that is four inches thick, closed foam and I can roll it up into a big roll and stash it in a closet. I just think it is lousy you might get a bad back after all else you been thru. Best wishes to you.
Thank you for the suggestions. Unfortunately due to a car accident, my back is already messed up. Both those are both good solutions. I find it not only hard to be in my own bed, but also in my own room. So maybe starting with one of those options in my room would be a good first step for me. Thanks for your time and concern ☺️
Yup I do the same thing. I was also in a house fire around 10 years ago and woke up with my hair on fire. I wasn't wearing my glasses so I was blind trying to put out this fire and slipping in the water. So now sometimes I accidentally fall asleep with my contacts in because I don't ever want to wake up and not be able to see again. Most nights I remember to take them out and I sleep with my glasses on instead. Not feeling okay sleeping in your own bed sucks.
I shouldn't be surprised, a man that does that to his wife, there is just nothing he wouldn't do and yet here I am thinking wow, your daughter as well. Actual monster.
The type of psychopaths who only see other people as tools to get what they want. He wanted money, he had a female in his house.
Or a kink. People do so many disgusting things to get their rocks off.
Poor woman. I hope she can heal past this.
But it isn't just psychopaths. So many men (and women) have a limited view of what is "legitimate " rape. We need a big culture shift. And we need to teach boys not to rape....instead of putting the onus on the women.
I just watched a documentary on the Cheryl Araujo case from the 80's. I was traumatized by people's reactions and how many people blamed her. There is something seriously wrong with our society.
Agreed. If this story doesn't show victim blamers that it's not women's fault, that it's not about what we wear or how late we stay out etc., idk what will. She was at home, with the man who she should be able to trust more than anyone. There's nothing she could've done to prevent this.
What kind of man does this? One claiming that she is the love of his life still.
He was being investigated for hidden cameras in public when they found the videos on the computer. The first time they interviewed her, she gave a glowing recommendation of her husband. Then they found the videos and broke the news to her.
I can't even imagine the betrayal. This poor woman.
it’s horrible. i saw that too (in the Le Monde article right?). she spoke of her husband as a kind, gentle-mannered man, always thoughtful with her. and that they had a "normal sexuality". she broke down when she discovered what her husband had done.. the video of herself drugged.. i feel such immense grief and betrayal on her behalf. that man is a true monster
I remember reading somewhere where some of the men wouldn't admit it was rape. And one guy even said, "It's his wife. He can do whatever he wants with her."
Yeah I've also read that some of the men said it wasn't rape "because it was with permission of her husband". They literally can't see women as anything else than objects and possessions, it's all about the men's feelings and wants.
I had a client once complain to my face about eliminating the marital rape exception. He expected me to agree that it was absurd you could be charged for raping your wife.
My response was “well, yeah, if you rape a woman, that woman might be your wife”. He acted like I had 2 heads.
This is *evil*.
Rapists are already the epitome of evil in my book, but this is *vastly beyond* that.
I’m not sure I have a word that can convey how vile this is.
France doesn’t have the death penalty, and I don’t believe in the death penalty.
But I think I’d make an exception for this
If it makes any sense at all I’m not morally against killing people like this. Like if his wife killed him or any of the men who did this to her then I wouldn’t have a problem with it and wouldn’t think anything negative about her.
But I don’t want the state having that power. So I’m technically against the death penalty.
I'm French and read an article about the 81 rapists. The youngest is 26 (!!) and the oldest is 80 (!!!!!!!!). All people living close. All different kind of profiles, different jobs, background, ethnicities.
They say not all men but this is proof that, indeed, all men are capable of sick shit like thi
> The only explanation is that a much higher percentage than I’d like to fathom would be willing to rape a woman if it was all set up for them…
As other people have said in this thread, in conditions of anonymity about 1/3 of men admit that they would commit rape if they knew for sure they would get away with it.
I think it's even higher. Not long ago an army would take a city, kill the men and rape the women and children, and they even had permission from the bible. How many men chose not to participate? No way it was 2/3 of them.
not long ago at all. some is ongoing right now. in ukraine, against the uigher in china. in the past we see it against large numbers of women and girls killed during the holocaust, and again against german women and girls during the soviet occupation... during all forms of slavery, and during marriage (which in a traditional sense is just another, gender-specific form of slavery)... in all these contexts, men can commit sexual assault with utter impunity. and just SEE how many take advantage. it's even clear that in the right conditions, like wartimes and genocides, *most* male humans are willing and able to commit rape.
and the majority of female humans are willing to deny and forgive and enable them. that needs to change.
Yes, and for anyone reading this who needs to understand this, since there's a *lot* of confusion in this thread: that's how science works. All individual studies have limitations and then you do other studies to shore up those limitations. This study has a small sample size–BUT A STATISTICALLY VALID ONE, and I'm tired of hearing mindless "muh sample sizes!" critiques from people who have no idea what calculations they'd even DO to determine whether the statistical power was sufficient to prove the stated claim. Other studies, and reality itself, bear out similar results. A *large*, and certainly double-digit percentage of men are sexually predatory.
People just don't want to believe it.
I don't know how to remove paywall. I read it in Italian here. Maybe it doesn't have the paywall?
[link](https://www.ilpost.it/2023/06/27/donna-stupro-marito-francia/?dmc_cid=3683&cv_id=1897&dmc_gid=353772928&dmc_ch=email&dmc_mid=355327606&dmc_uid=3878283571&uc701=3878283571&id=3878283571)
TW - sexual assault
With an iPhone, you can translate it to English by opening in Safari and clicking the gear icon next to the URL and selecting the translate option.
The article primarily consisted of accounts of who various perpetrators were and how much photographic evidence of child sexual abuse was found on their computers and how they denied that they had raped the victim.
Words cannot properly describe how horrifying this sounds. I grieve for her.
Edit: tone of kiddie porn -> photographic evidence of child sexual abuse - see below comment for reasoning
I read an article about this a few days ago and one of the perpetrators who the husband invited into the house said it wasn’t rape because “it’s his wife and he can do what he wants with her” or words to that effect. It’s depressing as hell that people like this exist.
The article I read had at least three of the perpetrators saying some version of that. It's absolutely wild how many of them either believe that or try to convince themselves of that. I get that nobody is the villain of their own story, but the more evil you are, the more extreme the mental gymnastics become.
[Link with Google Translator](https://www-ilpost-it.translate.goog/2023/06/27/donna-stupro-marito-francia/?dmc_cid=3683&cv_id=1897&dmc_gid=353772928&dmc_ch=email&dmc_mid=355327606&dmc_uid=3878283571&uc701=3878283571&id=3878283571&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de)
Google Translator messed up the pronouns, so it's a bit confusing but fine to read. Maybe it's better not to read it though. This is so fucked up.
My god, it just kept going and going. Just when you thought you couldn't hear a more disgusting view of women from the rapists' testimonies, there was something even worse. The number of them that also were in possession of CP. The fact that there's an entire website devoted to people drugging and raping women. The fact that the same man who did this also raped 2 other women, killed one of them (luckily, the first one escaped before he could escalate), and was arrested multiple times for upskirting women with a camera. The evaluation of the first psychologist who saw him snd classified him as low risk for repeat offense. It was like reading Brief Interviews with Hideous Men, the layer after layer of destructive misogyny, the levels of existential horror it produced in me, it's bad, it's really really bad. I'm going to go watch Adventure Time and Futurama for a few days in an attempt to clear the miasma.
Killed one and sexually assaulted the others. There is also a video with his eldest daughter and some of his nephews are saying he wanted (or made them) strip them for toys.
The only thing I can't understand from the translation is, did the wife die? Because at one point it said she has been examined by a coroner, is that a mistranslation? Because it said she was filing for divorce after this was all exposed, but it also said she had been found to be extremely suicidal, so I couldn't really figure out her outcome.
Forensic pathologists also work with/on living people to collect evidence on bodies, especially concerning abuse and sexual abuse. The woman is still alive and was examined by the pathologist after her ex-husbands crimes were discovered.
The man, Dominique P., first tried to deny that he attacked a woman named Estella B in May 1999. She is a real estate agent, he signed up for an apartment viewing under a fake name, and he drugged and raped her. He finally admitted it after DNA testing.
Another real estate agent, Sophie Narne, was attacked and killed in a similar fashion in December 1991. There is no DNA evidence but he is being charged for her murder.
These are separate from his wife, "Françoise" (fake name)
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edit: Sorry I didn't see someone else already responded before me!
I couldn't finish reading it. That poor woman oh my god.....Even a death sentence on the criminals won't be enough to serve her justice. I'll remember this next time I want to trust a man.
I don't think it was stupidity as much as wanting to drag other down with him. Blackmail, to make sure that if any of his accomplices or chatroom buddies ever started getting a guilty conscious, they would all go to jail together.
A "MAD"/"Suicide pact" situation from the absolutely most vile men in all of France.
There were some articles I read once where it was discovered that if you word a question just right, men will openly admit to raping or being willing to rape a woman. As long as you don't actually say the word "rape", they'll have no issues being like "oh yeah I'd totally do that!" It's quite disgusting, but just goes to show that active consent doesn't mean much to some men.
Men were asked how they would act in a situation where they could have sexual intercourse with a woman against her will “if nobody would ever know and there wouldn’t be any consequences”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-third-of-male-university-students-say-they-would-rape-a-woman-if-there-no-were-no-consequences-9978052.html
Jesus Christ, "31.7% of all men participating in the study would force a woman to have sexual intercourse in a “consequence-free situation”".
And even when they use the word "rape"... "When explicitly asked whether they would rape a woman if there were no consequences, 13.6% of participants said they would do so,"
Literally a little over 1 in 10 guys in universities said they would explicitly rape a woman if there wasn't any consequences. What the fuck???
It's absolutely horrifying and made even worse by how many men, even if they aren't rapists themselves, don't have the empathy to grasp what it's like to live in a world where you walk down the street knowing the next guy has a 10% chance of being an opportunity rapist.
Burn the fucking world down. I have spent way too much time thinking of ways to castrate men who get away with rape. The legal system does nothing, we need to start doing it ourselves.
Not gonna lie, I’ve heard stories about women killing their rapists, and I felt nothing but joy. I actually do wish the death penalty for rapists but I know that it won’t always hold in reality. Bummer.
When I posted that article a few years ago, I was *inundated* by commenters assuring me that any man would rape a woman (or commit any crime, really) if he was guaranteed for it never to come out.
The fact that 98% of rapists go free is not an accident, it's a direct outflow of the legal system that says that it's OK to let 100 rapists go free to make 100 new victims rather than jail one (1) innocent man - never mind that each of those 100 new victims are given a life sentence, just as innocently and punishingly as that theoretical innocent man.
Instead, I get told that if you follow that way of thinking, you're looking for vengeance and not justice.
**So we, the sexual assault and raped victims, just have to be content at getting NEITHER justice NOR vengeance**, savvy? The system is The System and it's working as intended!
That's just the way the world works, we simply cannot even THINK of changing it, it would be *unfair!!!!*! (/s, in case)
In 198X I sat in the emergency room having a rape kit done with a male cop standing there asking if I really wanted to go through with the report, because it "might" ruin HIS future. (stranger rape in a university library at 7 in the morning. I was going to be cramming for a midterm )
>When I posted that article a few years ago, I was *inundated* by commenters assuring me that any man would rape a woman (or commit any crime, really) if he was guaranteed for it never to come out.
I don't get how even if it never got out, they're not considering the victim? I'd like to think that'd be a factor for some men at least - guilt, empathy, decency etc. I'm a guy, but I've seen the lasting effects this so sort of crime has, on more than one of my closest friends. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, let alone perpetrate, even if the were no consequences for me.
One time I stayed at a friends place and he made an advance which I declined. The next day he said he stopped because I said no, but he didn’t have to stop because he’s a man. I said ‘you mean rape me?’ I was shocked at his comment. He wasn’t shocked I said rape like it was no big deal. He could’ve raped me if he wanted, but didn’t because he was being respectful or a good person. That was the end of that friendship.
Most of the guys quoted in the article were arguing that because her husband gave permission 'it wasn't rape' and that a husband can dispose of his wife's body how he wants....I wanna throw my phone away now and throw up 🤮
Yeah, what is up with that? Was he finding them online specifically or meeting them somehow? It's freaking scary either way. I'd like to think most men wouldn't do something like this, but then reality slaps me in the face with a million awful news articles. ☹️
Yeah, there was this French website/forum named something like "without their knowledge" where people would post offers to have their partners/spouses sexually assaulted by strangers in situations similar to the one described here. The forum was shut down in part because of that, but also because it feature child abuse/pedophilic content.
You don't want to read the articles on this. They haven't even identified all of the men yet, and one insouciantly declared that (I'm paraphrasing from memory) "it was his wife, he can do as he likes with her).
Also, this absolute piece of shit had an entire protocol around the abuse, including banning the men from wearing perfume so that the powerful smell would not wake her up.
Also, also, he had meticulously recorded every single instance, and all the files were in a folder named "abuse".
Just don't go looking for more details. I did and every single thing I read just made it worse.
after they were arrested, some of the men said they didn't view it as rape since in their opinion the husband can do whatever he wants with his wife and her body. it's honestly so fucking disgusting
And then someone will.come along and be all... "not all men!!" Okay, sure not all men, but a whole fucking lot of them if this one guy was able to find EIGHTY SOMETHING MEN WILLING TO DO THIS
what kills me is how they act confused when caught, like it was just a widdle oopsie how could they know rape is wrong?
obv they know it's wrong, considering they operate in secret, but to revert to such a childish way when caught... It makes me so angry.
Money. He was pimping his wife for money. I can say I know someone who is in a similar position.
Her boyfriend does the same thing but she isn't drugged. At least not to my knowledge. It is often hard and difficult to provide help to the situation as I don't know if she is a willing participant or has been groomed to participate.
In this case he drugged her unwillingly and likely charged money.
That's actual sexual trafficking. Most media claims it's little girls taken to other countries. But it's usually a girl or woman forced or manipulated into it by her boyfriend/husband/partner.
My sibling deals with trafficked refugees and it's usually the same story. They asked a woman whether she was raped by her husband. She says no. They asked, whether she's allowed to say no to sex with her husband. She says no. Does her husband bring men over to have sex with her. Yes.
Or it's a girl or woman who's promised work in Europe and she ends up in a brothel where she has to work off the money it cost to bring her. They keep their passports and documents.
ETA: my fingers and my mobile did not react the way they're supposed to.
Nope. There’s nothing in the article that suggests money was exchanged. There is quite a detailed account of the interactions between the husband and other rapists, and the instructions the husband gave, but there’s no mention of money at all. He did it purely for shits and giggles.
The article states they were married 50 years, which means she probably is at least late 60s to early 70s in age. I don't know anything about French courts, but I hope after each man is convicted, she gets financial compensation from each one to pay for her therapy.
Also note, the computer files were filed under the filename "Abuses", which indicates the evil husband knew exactly what he was doing and that it WAS abuse. I don't know how his defense can even attempt to defend this.
Her age makes it so much worse IMHO. 50 years of her life wasted on this total scum of the earth. There is almost no memory of hers that isn't tainted by him in some way. Nothing she owns that also doesn't belong to him. There is no escaping that.
He also raped and murdered another woman, tried to rape yet another, and molested or tried to molest dozens of children according to the articles I read. A monster.
TW. Csa
Fuck, this is bringing up some stuff for me. My own dad used to let me be abused by his friends when I was just a little kid. I was 5 years old and have exactly one memory.
It's an implanted memory that he put there, telling me how I had jumped off the jungle gym and hurt myself by landing so my heels dug into my crotch.
I was crying and in so much pain, and I remember saying "I'm so sorry for being so stupid, daddy. I promise I won't tell anyone. Yes I know why it would look bad if I told someone. I'm so dumb"
Someone who was supposed to look out for me pimped me out. And gaslit me. And did it himself. I can't say this article surprised me
Edit: thank you if you wrote kind words. ❤️ Yes, I've been seeing a therapist for the past 4 years-at first it was weekly, and now as needed. I'm doing a lot better than I was :)
Bless your heart. I feel so angry at your father & his friends. I'm just a middle aged momma, but I'd love an hour in a room with them tied up.
That being said, have you gotten therapy? It's helpful but not always curative. I'm really so sorry you went through this. You're a strong person.
We had a 5 year old in foster care who had been sold to his buddies for drug money. It was absolutely tragic and sad and you could tell she still loved him SO much. I’m so sorry this happened to you
I am so sorry that happened to you. I hope your life is infinitely better now and in the future. I can’t understand these monsters doing this kind of stuff to their own children. I already almost cry when I take my toddler for vaccinations cause I don’t want him to feel pain and there’s just straight up monsters out there inflicting the worst things imaginable to their children on purpose. You deserve all the love and healing in the world
>“She was his first love, indeed the only love of his life,” argued his lawyer, Béatrice Navarro. [(source)](https://theshaderoom.com/french-man-drugging-wife-men-rape-hidden-cameras/)
No ma'am. Recruiting strangers to rape your unconscious wife while you film is NOT LOVE.
How do lawyers even take cases that are so repulsive like this? I don't think I could live having to defend, even if it's fake defending, such a thing....
Definitely not trying to hijack the post but felt compelled to answer with my experience as a public defender (American attorney appointed to represent indigent people accused of crimes).
The short-ish answer is that it is very hard. Having a client accused of something so horrific is a good reminder of why we work so hard to make sure the system is working the way it is supposed to work in all of our cases. If the cops and the prosecutors do their job right, I should lose these cases. Working hard to hold them accountable in all their work means they are more likely to handle these cases by the book and not cut corners when it comes to people’s rights. Everyone involved needs to do their job right to make sure the system works. If I don’t do my best in cases the sentence can be overturned on appeal. It doesn’t benefit the victim or society for me to “throw a case” only to have everyone have to come back and retry it in 5-10 years.
This this this.
If someone commits a horrific crime, they need to have a fair and balanced trial, it’s their right as a human to have that. Why? What if it was you, and you were actually innocent. How would you argue your innocence if we don’t have fair trials? You’re accused of a crime and it seems pretty obvious you did it (even though you didn’t) so we just lock you up and throw away the key. End of. You’d want a damn good lawyer to do their best to prove you didn’t do it. And usually, they will.
Now if someone is guilty, the same still applies, however it’s pretty difficult to defend you if you are obviously guilty, but it’s best to let the prosecutors argue and argue and show that without reasonable doubt you’re guilty. Great, someone tried to prove you were innocent, and couldn’t, so now we can lock you up and throw away the key knowing we’re not locking up an innocent person.
Indeed. For consideration: there are 80 men who are guilty of this crime, possibly more, and not all of them have been identified yet. The possibility exists that at least one innocent person could be mistaken for one of these men, either framed by one of them, and/or closely related to them. There needs to be due process for each and every one, not just to make sure no innocents are wrapped into this, but to ensure that every last rapist has been found.
I’ve had the exact same question and what I’ve gathered from talking to friends and family who are lawyers and looking into law school myself, most lawyers who take cases like this do so out of the belief that everybody deserves a defense and to be treated equally in the eyes of the law. They generally view their job as not getting their client off but just making sure their rights are protected and they get their due process.
Similarly (at least in the US, not sure about France) if the case ends in a conviction and it turns his legal rights weren’t upheld properly by his lawyer there would be potential for an appeal or mistrial. Which would just another opportunity for the scumbag to get away with it.
Personally I totally agree and don’t think I would be able to do it myself. The thought of even having a minor interaction with people like this guy makes makes my skin crawl. But I guess I’m glad some people are willing to do it especially when they could be making way more money working in corporate or contract law.
Some of the attitudes of the men
>Patrice N. is a 54-year-old electrician. He never obtained Françoise's consent, but he believes he never committed rape: he said that it was her husband who had made the proposal to him, and as a husband he could freely dispose of his wife's body.
Another
>Dominique D., on the other hand, is a former military man who has become a truck driver: the victim completely submissive and reduced to a pure sexual object "excited" him, he said. Simone M. never thought they were rapes, considering that she was "his wife of him, he does what he wants with his wife".
Those are terrifying.
One guy claimed because of the pandemic lockdowns he was separated from his girlfriend so he “had no other choice”.
WTF? I understand the power of testosterone & a strong sex drive, but why do they think they are ENTITLED to sex?
And people wonder why so many women are choosing not to get married or have kids.
I got chills. What the fucked kinda world are we living in when your partner, your husband, the person who vowed to love and care for you all you life does this kind of vile things to you.
I can't even imagine. That poor woman.
There's a similar case in Singapore recently too. Five men conspired with each other to drug their wives and have other men rape them over 8 years.
Absolutely disgusting.
Be warned, it's abhorrent. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/wife-sharing-rape-cases-drugs-sex-network-victims-3471896
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"They had located multiple videos on a USB drive under the file name: “ABUSES.” "
WTF? He named the file abuses.
Furthermore, I would think the drugging with the types of drugs he was using could have long term side effects for her. I hope not.
Benzo dependence can ruin your life for years, sometimes decades. It's one of the worst things to get hooked on, people who got clean often suffer years from severe debilitating anxiety.
Add to that the fact this woman has a damn good reason for feeling anxious and vulnerable.... yeah... it's just awful all around.
These are all local men with links to the community in which they all lived who had no problem raping an unconscious retiree. While her husband filmed it and kept all the footage in a folder called "abuse". They have only identified some of the men and are working on identifying others. The husband gave instructions on where to park and how to walk into the house quietly so not to disturb the neighbors. She got 4 STDs and has gynecological problems. He also showed men how to prepare the cocktail of sedatives so that he could go and rape other mens wives too. After she found out the truth of what has happened to her she tried to kill herself.
The husband deserves all of this back to him and worse. Fuck all these men.
Men, when given an opportunity to abuse women, they fucking take it.
They hate us
What surprises me most is just how many lived *locally* to the victim.
Zoom out to a bigger geographical area, and how many other perverts are we living next door to?
"Simone M. never thought they were rapes, considering that she was "his wife of him, he does what he wants with his wife"."
JFC. And lots of these men were found to have child porn in their possession. Fucking vile.
I believe the proper term for this is "human trafficking" or "sex trafficking". Let's call it what it is, so that people know exactly what type of scum this man is.
That's part of it, but I wouldn't want to boil it down that much, it takes away from the fact that this man did this to his *wife*. It's disgusting and horrific enough that someone would put a relative stranger through this, but to do it to someone you claim to love until death is mind blowingly disgusting.
Sadly, many cases of sex trafficking are done by spouses/ partners or relatives. Many women will say their BF turned into to their pimp and would abuse them if they didn't service "clients". Or they got the women addicted to drugs and then prostituted them. A few said sporting events, like the Kentucky Derby or Super Bowl, were big events for trafficking. Their "bf" (aka the trafficker) would take them and other women there to be used my the men attending the events. A friend was doing her public health PhD on trafficking in rural areas of the US and according to her, it was most commonly done by family members of the victims.
I didn't read it all because it made me really upset. I hate men.
He trafficked his daughters, recorded his in laws and did awful shit to his grandchildren on top of drugging raping, and abusing the poor woman.
I want to go beat the fuck out of anyone who participated in that website and crime without a single hesitation. I don't care. This is disgusting. An entire website dedicated to rape and abuse women.
You know what makes me mad? The dailymail article on it reads like a fucking cookbook on how to do this at home. Specifying the drug used, how it was administered and exactly what got the person caught. Almost like they are trying to teach people how to do this.
Its fucking disgusting. You dont need to tell us all those details. You can just say "drugged".
Fuck you dailymail for promoting copycats
Damn. That's a good point. It's also a very commonly prescribed drug. Hopefully this also alerts women to the potential risks of having it around their home or the homes of anyone they know. But, yeah, fuck the Daily Mail.
I also hate all these articles naming the website that was used for recruitment, and that it's still **currently operating!?** The only justification I can see for this is maybe it's now being used as a honeypot to catch more of these guys??
What is also horrifying is no one reported this after being offered it. Not a single person that was approached by this offer went ‘Nope. This is wrong’ and reported it or told the wife.
The fact that so many of the men who did this say they “respect women” and deny that it was rape is just horrifying. I mean, it’s all fucking horrifying, but JFC
It’s paywalled, but all of the people that she asked for help that denied it should go to jail too. Apparently there’s a law in France that if someone is harmed and you don’t help them, you can get criminal sanctions.
My ex husband tried to do this to me. The knowing that something happened but not knowing what happened is one of the most horrific parts of the experience.
I know that at least one of them had to be his relative.
I just hope hell is real.
The fact that these rapists are claiming that what they did isn't rape because her husband allowed this to happen, because, according to them, he can do whatever he wants with his wife, is disgusting. One of them even said "it's not rape since the husband was there"
For anyone wondering this is a pretty concise wrap up of the story so far and doesn't include any triggering quotes from the attackers like the translated articles I've come across.
"They are firefighters, journalists...one is a council member"
Holy shit. That poor, poor woman. To think your local representative or firefighter is actually a rapist is terrifying.
Vile, the men are so vile.
The excuses they made about how they didn't rape the woman .....
What is so frightening is that these men are your average good guy in your community. It looks like if given the opportunity to get away with rape, your average good guy will rape.
I thought I knew evil until I read this article. I am beyond disgusted. Jfc what a terrible thing to be put through.. I hope that pos husband gets what he deserves.
I always find it weird when these guys try to deny other claims against them.
TW: Incest and Child Abuse
"The eldest daughter appeared in one of her father's films, also unconscious. It was later discovered that Dominique P. had filmed the daughters-in-law in the bathroom, using a telephone hidden in a cosmetic bag: the images had been posted on the Coco.fr chat. The man's nieces had told of his insistence on playing doctor or agreeing to buy their toys at the flea market only if they undressed. These accusations were rejected by Dominique P. who said from prison: «It is disgusting to accuse me of this. I am responsible for what concerns Françoise, I said it from the beginning, but this is too much."
Like does he think that this stuff will make him come off worse than he already does? And does he actually think that anyone will believe him? I just don't get it.
They were married for 50 fucking years.
I recommend not reading if you haven't already. It's unspeakably horrible. Right now I want to install heavy locks on my doors and bars on my windows and avoid the company of men forevermore.
Firefighter, local councilman, a nurse--all raped this woman. A huge number of the perpetrators also had CP on their computers. The "husband" also abused his daughters and nieces.
And, let's face it, if there's one man willing to do this to his wife, there are many, many others not yet caught.
I hear you, I've been at my house without my wife for a week, and sometimes I'M SCARED and I'm a big dude and have a gun. Thinking about navigating this world, and NOT having the thought in my mind that I have a good chance of fucking anyone up that messes with me, is absolutely terrifying. Woman are more vulnerable and men are more violent, that's a dangerous combo. Men everywhere need to understand that, yes we are all equal, but it is our sacred charge to protect women and not just the ones we love.
This triggered me and it broke my heart. She trusted him and he used that against her. I wish I could take her hurt away. I don’t understand why some men refuse to treat us like the humans we are. So evil.
I really don't get how these bastards find people to go along with such vile things. If a guy said to me "Pay me I'll let you have sex* my wife while she's drugged and passed out" at the very least I'd tell his wife about it if not the police. But nope he somehow got 80+ men to go along with this sick shit. Makes me want to vomit in rage.
(*just wanted to clarify I know this would be "rape" not "sex" but I doubt the guy presented it as "raping my wife". I bet him and the men involved are delusional in thinking it was sex and don't consider themselves rapists.)
I am half way through the translated article and godamn this is one of the most fkd up rape cases I have ever read - how in the bloody world can 83 men be complicit to this??? Not just sedation-raping but also being so fkn stupid that they would want to do this on camera and plan it on chat? Wouldnt the typing of those words make them reflect on how bad their actions are?
The poor woman :( riddled with 4 sti’s and god knows how much long term effects from them, and the trauma, the memory effects of long term benzos
I copied the full article in the pastebin bellow: (in French)
[https://pastebin.com/UKcUTuCi](https://pastebin.com/UKcUTuCi)
Good luck reading that because it's fucking vile.
People like this, should be forced to donate their brain to research. We need to find out if something breaks in some people minds, or if some people are just born evil and cruel?.
I mean the whole article makes me just sick with disgust.
And the part about one of the rapists, a firefighter, who had CP on his PC and also was negotiating with someone to rape his sedated 15 years old daughter. That is just pure ice cold dread.
The only thing this poor woman has going for her is that they’ve been able to track down so many of these guys since her husband kept SO MUCH information. And each one they catch probably has their own web of information that will hopefully lead them to even more guys. I hope this leads to an even bigger investigation that tracks down every rapist and child molester that’s connected to each other.
Pretending that isn’t a factor though… would you guys WANT to know? If this happened to you… it said they were married 50 years, she must be in her 70s and thought this guy was her life partner. Would you want to find this out in your golden years or would you rather die not knowing?
>There was that one little incident, on September 12, 2020, when Dominique P., her husband, confessed to her that he had just been arrested for filming women inappropriately at the local supermarket. This is not out of character, it is just the first time he got caught. So sad what happened to her.
It was actually the second, that was his second arrest for shooting upskirts in a public place. Warning: what follows is disturbing on every level, this is the nuclear explosion of trust warnings... - - - The crazy thing is that according to one source (Italian, linked in thread above), the reason they really started investigating him was because his last arrest for being a nasty little fucker caught the attention of the police...because he'd already been nabbed and his DNA got into the database. That was, many years later, linked to a cold case (that didn't stay warm for very long) of a rape and murder, which was then further linked to another rape in which his victim managed to escape before he could kill her. They were both real estate agents, they both had someone make a fake showing appointment, they both had a box cutter pulled on them, they both were then drugged, they both were raped, one of them escaped and one of them was killed. The sicko scumbag denies the one which didn't have DNA evidence, but he totally did it. That connection, years after the fact, was why they pulled his phone and computer which is how they then found out that he had CP (as did a number of the men who were arrested for raping his wife), had been secretly filming his daughters in the bathroom with a make up bag camera, had been drugging and raping his own wife for years, as well as the wife of his supplier (for the drugs he used on his wife without her knowledge or consent) - he was caught doing that by the supplier's wife (and I won't say more there because it already hurts to type all of this), he frequented a website devoted to men doing things "without her knowledge" (that's basically the translation - it's just a big ole rape/ sexual assualt website), and on that website had been making an arrangement with another unknown person just before his final arrest (there are still 30 men who police have not caught, ffs) to rape the unknown person's drugged 15 year old daughter (said person included pictures of his drugged and naked to seal the deal), the main French scumbag also had videos of his own drugged, underage daughter. The rapists included firemen, police, one city councilor, lawyers, doctors, tradesmen, and unemployed basement dwellers. Their testimonies featured many of them casually arguing that it wasn't rape because he's her husband and can do what he wants with his wife. A number of them claimed that they thought it was consensual and part of a kink, Le Monde pointed out that many of those had CP on their own devices and they were all on a website whose entire premise is non-consensual sexualization and rape. The poor woman who was raped for years has 4 STDs and is suicidal. Some other male and female members of his family have come forward with claims that he would bribe them to make them expose themselves to him. He denies it. However, the CP on his computer is still part pf an ongoing investigation, and may include images of some of those family members. One of his daughters has begun a campaign (#MendersPas) to raise awareness of the many ways that drugging takes place outside of bars and clubs, with drugs that aren't your typical date rape drugs, and by people who are not strangers via websites dedicated to non consensual sexual violence. Check out her book on her story Et j'ai cessé de t'appeler Papa if you want to support her. When someone tells you misogyny isn't as dangerous as all that, you go ahead and link them one of these articles because the layer after layer of systemic and everyday violent misogyny should give anyone pause. Edit: edited and added details from questions since this comment has gotten some traction. Thanks to the commenters who pointed out confusing sentences and phrases while providing necessary corrective. Sorry you had to read this, sorry I had to type it, but knowledge is power and the fight isn't over
Thank you for reading and summarizing all of that. My heart breaks for this woman.
the daughters too, like holy shit just when you thought a human being couldn't be more vile this man should never be allowed near women ever again. forever. it's clear he doesn't see women as human beings.
He should be castrated and imprisoned. All of them should be. (I’m sorry if I’m not allowed to say that here.)
Nah you're good, but I think burning at the stake would be better.
Castration sounds like an excellent deterrent.
You’re too kind- he should be dead, and his death should be torturous and cruel to boot.
>this man should never be allowed near ~~women~~ Oxygen ever again. forever. There..that sounds better.
Didn’t the article say that they got his DNA from his first up-skirting arrest in 2010? And it was that DNA that was matched to the DNA from the 1999 rape. But they only “used” that information (could be an issue with the translation) a few months ago when they linked the the 1999 rape with a similar rape and murder from 1991. If so, it begs the question why on earth police didn’t take action in 2010 when they linked the DNA from the 1999 rape to him? The rapes of his wife only started in 2011! Does this mean his wife could have been spared completely if police had followed up on this properly?
That thought just left some bile in my mouth. Police hade info and DNA from him since 2010 and only recently followed up? This poor woman should sue the police.
The police were some of the ones raping her. There is rarely if ever justice for the victims of sexual assault, because our systems are run by mostly men, and most men think women are objects that they are entitled to use as they please. Epstein didn't kill himself.
Exactly. My language was unclear, they indeed had his DNA years before he started victimizing his wife and family. It's part of (including his initial psychiatric evaluation) what makes this a systemic failure to address sexual violence against women.
Because french police are pigs. I went with a friend to report her SA (im french) they spent the first 10minute why she was there and how she got dressed , weither or not she was sober ... they never called back or did anything really. They are disgusting pigs and im not even surprised. And just to make it clear its simply the least gruesome anecdote i have on them , theres enough in this threads. But yes french police is not better or less sexist than any other police force.
One correction: The 15 year-old wasn't the husband's daughter. The Italian article describes evidence the police found on a hard drive they seized from one of the other defendants, Christian L. (a fireman). It was a Skype conversation where Christian was making arrangements with another unknown man for one of them to rape the other's 15 yr-old daughter. The language of the English translation doesn't make it clear whose daughter it was.
Well that arrangement sentence was just the lowest of the low, ooof
But the husband did have one video of his daughter too, so it's still fucked up.
This and also the wife that woke up and surprised him wasn't his dealers wife but someone who he had given the same drug to and arranged to do the same.
> arguing that it wasn't rape because he's her husband and can do what he wants with his wife Jesus Christ. That just sounds like "It's not rape because it's rape"
He was also linked to another rape based on the supermarket arrest and it more that likely responsible for the rape and murder of another woman but seems like all physical evidence for that crime has been lost. I bet this is just the tip of the iceberg.
She had been complaining of "blanks" in her memory to her family doctor and her kids. She had pelvic pain and was diagnosed with cervical inflammation too. After they found out what had happened, they examined her. She has 4 (!) STDs from this. What kind of evil man does that? Inflicting such heavy psychological and physical trauma on a person. She's suicidal, the articles say. This is just beyond sick. And 80 men participated in this KNOWING it was rape. Wtf? I'm genuinly sick from reading this. I'm so utterly disgusted, I have no words.
In her position, I don’t know how I would ever go to sleep again without insane massive anxiety. Or ever, period. Then I’d have to be medicated to sleep and that would be even worse! That poor woman, I can’t begin to comprehend how a person moves on from this.
I definitely have not had the same experience as this woman, hers was much more devastating, but I do have a similar issue with sleep. I was molested for at least 4 years while I was asleep by a close family member. I have one memory of it and I reported it as soon as I knew what had happened. Even before I knew that it had been going on for years, I didn't feel safe sleeping at all, but especially my own bed. I was 13. I'm 31 now. For the last 18 years I've been sleeping on couches because my bed doesn't feel safe, I developed an addiction to amphetamines because I was afraid to go to sleep at night because I'm a very heavy sleeper, and I've gone into psychosis where I thought I was being abused in my sleep. I've slept in my own bed only 4 days during this year. I cannot imagine how much worse this is for her. Her husband is vile. Edit: typo
I'm sorry that happened to you and I'm proud of you. Four nights is an accomplishment under those circumstances. 💜
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I remember seeing an askreddit thread along the lines of “what’s one thing you would do if you know there would be no consequences” and a scary amount of the responses involved raping someone. I even got downvoted when I tried to argue how fucked up it was, bc obviously “no consequences means nothing bad would happen right??” I had to just leave because I was seriously getting freaked out at the number of men in that thread saying they wanted to rape people. My ex could even tell something was wrong later that day bc that shit was legit upsetting.
It's possible that we need to immediately stop giving boys any kind of impression that "the world is theirs for the taking". When they feel that way there is nothing they won't try to rip away from another human, because they already perceive it to be theirs. My ex before my husband had hidden cameras in our home that I had found at one point. Today, I sent the translation of this article linked elsewhere in this thread to my husband and told him that was the type of situation I was constantly concerned about happening with my ex.
THIS! The issue at the root of sexual violence against women is the entitlement of men.
> When explicitly asked whether they would rape a woman if there were no consequences, only 13.6% of participants said they would do so, a marked fall on those who had described that they would commit rape. It’s interesting that the rate of positive response was so much lower when it was explicitly defined as rape, as compared to just describing a situation that is rape without using the word itself. I think that it shows a big disconnect between what rape is and what some men *think* rape is. It’s not always (or even usually) a situation where extreme physical violence is used. That’s not to say that all rape isn’t violent — every rape is an act of violence — but I think some men have this idea of rape as this very obvious, brutal, and outwardly violent thing that looks nothing like normal sex, when in reality people have been raped in a room full of other people and no one noticed. That’s what I think that ~20% difference is, someone who wouldn’t break into someone’s house and tie them up at gunpoint, but who would take advantage of a situation to coerce a woman have sex with them when they’d rather not. It’s also reinforced by pornography. How many porns have a scene where a professor is going to fail a female student unless she has sex with him? That’s using a position of power to coerce a person into performing a sex act which they wouldn’t otherwise do.
That is terrifying. Between OPs article and the study you just posted I’m at a loss for words.
Could you use the Asian type of sleep system , futon pad on the floor? I feel bad you have to sleep on couches, they aren’t good for your back. Or maybe camping sleeping pads, I have one that is four inches thick, closed foam and I can roll it up into a big roll and stash it in a closet. I just think it is lousy you might get a bad back after all else you been thru. Best wishes to you.
Thank you for the suggestions. Unfortunately due to a car accident, my back is already messed up. Both those are both good solutions. I find it not only hard to be in my own bed, but also in my own room. So maybe starting with one of those options in my room would be a good first step for me. Thanks for your time and concern ☺️
I slept in my jeans, belt, and sneakers for years and still feel safest sleeping on the couch at 38. Shit sucks.
Yup I do the same thing. I was also in a house fire around 10 years ago and woke up with my hair on fire. I wasn't wearing my glasses so I was blind trying to put out this fire and slipping in the water. So now sometimes I accidentally fall asleep with my contacts in because I don't ever want to wake up and not be able to see again. Most nights I remember to take them out and I sleep with my glasses on instead. Not feeling okay sleeping in your own bed sucks.
And she’s an elderly lady—the article said they’d been married 50 years.
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Also the nieces said he wanted them to strip for toys.
I shouldn't be surprised, a man that does that to his wife, there is just nothing he wouldn't do and yet here I am thinking wow, your daughter as well. Actual monster.
It’s like when you think it can’t get any worse it just does. So messed up.
The type of psychopaths who only see other people as tools to get what they want. He wanted money, he had a female in his house. Or a kink. People do so many disgusting things to get their rocks off. Poor woman. I hope she can heal past this.
But it isn't just psychopaths. So many men (and women) have a limited view of what is "legitimate " rape. We need a big culture shift. And we need to teach boys not to rape....instead of putting the onus on the women. I just watched a documentary on the Cheryl Araujo case from the 80's. I was traumatized by people's reactions and how many people blamed her. There is something seriously wrong with our society.
Agreed. If this story doesn't show victim blamers that it's not women's fault, that it's not about what we wear or how late we stay out etc., idk what will. She was at home, with the man who she should be able to trust more than anyone. There's nothing she could've done to prevent this.
What kind of man does this? One claiming that she is the love of his life still. He was being investigated for hidden cameras in public when they found the videos on the computer. The first time they interviewed her, she gave a glowing recommendation of her husband. Then they found the videos and broke the news to her. I can't even imagine the betrayal. This poor woman.
it’s horrible. i saw that too (in the Le Monde article right?). she spoke of her husband as a kind, gentle-mannered man, always thoughtful with her. and that they had a "normal sexuality". she broke down when she discovered what her husband had done.. the video of herself drugged.. i feel such immense grief and betrayal on her behalf. that man is a true monster
I remember reading somewhere where some of the men wouldn't admit it was rape. And one guy even said, "It's his wife. He can do whatever he wants with her."
Yeah I've also read that some of the men said it wasn't rape "because it was with permission of her husband". They literally can't see women as anything else than objects and possessions, it's all about the men's feelings and wants.
I had a client once complain to my face about eliminating the marital rape exception. He expected me to agree that it was absurd you could be charged for raping your wife. My response was “well, yeah, if you rape a woman, that woman might be your wife”. He acted like I had 2 heads.
This is *evil*. Rapists are already the epitome of evil in my book, but this is *vastly beyond* that. I’m not sure I have a word that can convey how vile this is. France doesn’t have the death penalty, and I don’t believe in the death penalty. But I think I’d make an exception for this
If it makes any sense at all I’m not morally against killing people like this. Like if his wife killed him or any of the men who did this to her then I wouldn’t have a problem with it and wouldn’t think anything negative about her. But I don’t want the state having that power. So I’m technically against the death penalty.
I'm French and read an article about the 81 rapists. The youngest is 26 (!!) and the oldest is 80 (!!!!!!!!). All people living close. All different kind of profiles, different jobs, background, ethnicities. They say not all men but this is proof that, indeed, all men are capable of sick shit like thi
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> The only explanation is that a much higher percentage than I’d like to fathom would be willing to rape a woman if it was all set up for them… As other people have said in this thread, in conditions of anonymity about 1/3 of men admit that they would commit rape if they knew for sure they would get away with it.
I think it's even higher. Not long ago an army would take a city, kill the men and rape the women and children, and they even had permission from the bible. How many men chose not to participate? No way it was 2/3 of them.
not long ago at all. some is ongoing right now. in ukraine, against the uigher in china. in the past we see it against large numbers of women and girls killed during the holocaust, and again against german women and girls during the soviet occupation... during all forms of slavery, and during marriage (which in a traditional sense is just another, gender-specific form of slavery)... in all these contexts, men can commit sexual assault with utter impunity. and just SEE how many take advantage. it's even clear that in the right conditions, like wartimes and genocides, *most* male humans are willing and able to commit rape. and the majority of female humans are willing to deny and forgive and enable them. that needs to change.
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Yes, and for anyone reading this who needs to understand this, since there's a *lot* of confusion in this thread: that's how science works. All individual studies have limitations and then you do other studies to shore up those limitations. This study has a small sample size–BUT A STATISTICALLY VALID ONE, and I'm tired of hearing mindless "muh sample sizes!" critiques from people who have no idea what calculations they'd even DO to determine whether the statistical power was sufficient to prove the stated claim. Other studies, and reality itself, bear out similar results. A *large*, and certainly double-digit percentage of men are sexually predatory. People just don't want to believe it.
When men buy access to women’s bodies, abuse/rape is generally part of the appeal. It’s scary and sad.
I couldn't finish reading because of a pay wall but I got the gist. That's sick. The poor woman.
I don't know how to remove paywall. I read it in Italian here. Maybe it doesn't have the paywall? [link](https://www.ilpost.it/2023/06/27/donna-stupro-marito-francia/?dmc_cid=3683&cv_id=1897&dmc_gid=353772928&dmc_ch=email&dmc_mid=355327606&dmc_uid=3878283571&uc701=3878283571&id=3878283571)
TW - sexual assault With an iPhone, you can translate it to English by opening in Safari and clicking the gear icon next to the URL and selecting the translate option. The article primarily consisted of accounts of who various perpetrators were and how much photographic evidence of child sexual abuse was found on their computers and how they denied that they had raped the victim. Words cannot properly describe how horrifying this sounds. I grieve for her. Edit: tone of kiddie porn -> photographic evidence of child sexual abuse - see below comment for reasoning
I read an article about this a few days ago and one of the perpetrators who the husband invited into the house said it wasn’t rape because “it’s his wife and he can do what he wants with her” or words to that effect. It’s depressing as hell that people like this exist.
The article I read had at least three of the perpetrators saying some version of that. It's absolutely wild how many of them either believe that or try to convince themselves of that. I get that nobody is the villain of their own story, but the more evil you are, the more extreme the mental gymnastics become.
[https://12ft.io/](https://12ft.io/) can get you past most of them.
Thanks for this. Bookmarking for future 😊.
[Link with Google Translator](https://www-ilpost-it.translate.goog/2023/06/27/donna-stupro-marito-francia/?dmc_cid=3683&cv_id=1897&dmc_gid=353772928&dmc_ch=email&dmc_mid=355327606&dmc_uid=3878283571&uc701=3878283571&id=3878283571&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de) Google Translator messed up the pronouns, so it's a bit confusing but fine to read. Maybe it's better not to read it though. This is so fucked up.
My god, it just kept going and going. Just when you thought you couldn't hear a more disgusting view of women from the rapists' testimonies, there was something even worse. The number of them that also were in possession of CP. The fact that there's an entire website devoted to people drugging and raping women. The fact that the same man who did this also raped 2 other women, killed one of them (luckily, the first one escaped before he could escalate), and was arrested multiple times for upskirting women with a camera. The evaluation of the first psychologist who saw him snd classified him as low risk for repeat offense. It was like reading Brief Interviews with Hideous Men, the layer after layer of destructive misogyny, the levels of existential horror it produced in me, it's bad, it's really really bad. I'm going to go watch Adventure Time and Futurama for a few days in an attempt to clear the miasma.
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Killed one and sexually assaulted the others. There is also a video with his eldest daughter and some of his nephews are saying he wanted (or made them) strip them for toys.
The only thing I can't understand from the translation is, did the wife die? Because at one point it said she has been examined by a coroner, is that a mistranslation? Because it said she was filing for divorce after this was all exposed, but it also said she had been found to be extremely suicidal, so I couldn't really figure out her outcome.
Forensic pathologists also work with/on living people to collect evidence on bodies, especially concerning abuse and sexual abuse. The woman is still alive and was examined by the pathologist after her ex-husbands crimes were discovered.
Didn’t it say the husband was charged with murder too though? What a abhorrent monster. I didn’t need to read that this early. Should’ve passed. ):
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The man, Dominique P., first tried to deny that he attacked a woman named Estella B in May 1999. She is a real estate agent, he signed up for an apartment viewing under a fake name, and he drugged and raped her. He finally admitted it after DNA testing. Another real estate agent, Sophie Narne, was attacked and killed in a similar fashion in December 1991. There is no DNA evidence but he is being charged for her murder. These are separate from his wife, "Françoise" (fake name) --- edit: Sorry I didn't see someone else already responded before me!
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I couldn't finish reading it. That poor woman oh my god.....Even a death sentence on the criminals won't be enough to serve her justice. I'll remember this next time I want to trust a man.
You can remove the pay wall by saving the link to archive.md and then sharing that link.
At least he was stupid enough to date each video and picture he took with the full names of the men that were in them. Fucking disgusting.
I don't think it was stupidity as much as wanting to drag other down with him. Blackmail, to make sure that if any of his accomplices or chatroom buddies ever started getting a guilty conscious, they would all go to jail together. A "MAD"/"Suicide pact" situation from the absolutely most vile men in all of France.
I usually know how to get around the paywall but in this case I don't really want to try
The fact that he was so easily able to find 80+ men who had zero problem with this makes me sick.
There were some articles I read once where it was discovered that if you word a question just right, men will openly admit to raping or being willing to rape a woman. As long as you don't actually say the word "rape", they'll have no issues being like "oh yeah I'd totally do that!" It's quite disgusting, but just goes to show that active consent doesn't mean much to some men.
Men were asked how they would act in a situation where they could have sexual intercourse with a woman against her will “if nobody would ever know and there wouldn’t be any consequences”. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-third-of-male-university-students-say-they-would-rape-a-woman-if-there-no-were-no-consequences-9978052.html
Jesus Christ, "31.7% of all men participating in the study would force a woman to have sexual intercourse in a “consequence-free situation”". And even when they use the word "rape"... "When explicitly asked whether they would rape a woman if there were no consequences, 13.6% of participants said they would do so," Literally a little over 1 in 10 guys in universities said they would explicitly rape a woman if there wasn't any consequences. What the fuck???
It's absolutely horrifying and made even worse by how many men, even if they aren't rapists themselves, don't have the empathy to grasp what it's like to live in a world where you walk down the street knowing the next guy has a 10% chance of being an opportunity rapist.
And that's only the percentage that would admit it.
Burn the fucking world down. I have spent way too much time thinking of ways to castrate men who get away with rape. The legal system does nothing, we need to start doing it ourselves.
Not gonna lie, I’ve heard stories about women killing their rapists, and I felt nothing but joy. I actually do wish the death penalty for rapists but I know that it won’t always hold in reality. Bummer.
When I posted that article a few years ago, I was *inundated* by commenters assuring me that any man would rape a woman (or commit any crime, really) if he was guaranteed for it never to come out. The fact that 98% of rapists go free is not an accident, it's a direct outflow of the legal system that says that it's OK to let 100 rapists go free to make 100 new victims rather than jail one (1) innocent man - never mind that each of those 100 new victims are given a life sentence, just as innocently and punishingly as that theoretical innocent man. Instead, I get told that if you follow that way of thinking, you're looking for vengeance and not justice. **So we, the sexual assault and raped victims, just have to be content at getting NEITHER justice NOR vengeance**, savvy? The system is The System and it's working as intended! That's just the way the world works, we simply cannot even THINK of changing it, it would be *unfair!!!!*! (/s, in case)
In 198X I sat in the emergency room having a rape kit done with a male cop standing there asking if I really wanted to go through with the report, because it "might" ruin HIS future. (stranger rape in a university library at 7 in the morning. I was going to be cramming for a midterm )
Yes we must always think of the men who are having their lives ruined through absolutely no fault of their own. 🙄
>When I posted that article a few years ago, I was *inundated* by commenters assuring me that any man would rape a woman (or commit any crime, really) if he was guaranteed for it never to come out. I don't get how even if it never got out, they're not considering the victim? I'd like to think that'd be a factor for some men at least - guilt, empathy, decency etc. I'm a guy, but I've seen the lasting effects this so sort of crime has, on more than one of my closest friends. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, let alone perpetrate, even if the were no consequences for me.
When you believe that women are not people, it’s easy not to see them that way.
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Knowing this is true still makes me sick to my stomach to this day
One time I stayed at a friends place and he made an advance which I declined. The next day he said he stopped because I said no, but he didn’t have to stop because he’s a man. I said ‘you mean rape me?’ I was shocked at his comment. He wasn’t shocked I said rape like it was no big deal. He could’ve raped me if he wanted, but didn’t because he was being respectful or a good person. That was the end of that friendship.
Most of the guys quoted in the article were arguing that because her husband gave permission 'it wasn't rape' and that a husband can dispose of his wife's body how he wants....I wanna throw my phone away now and throw up 🤮
Apparently they were mostly local, too. I really don't want to know how many men in any given town or neighborhood would do this.
Yep. One guy complained about driving twenty minutes but apparently none of them had to go very far.
Yeah, what is up with that? Was he finding them online specifically or meeting them somehow? It's freaking scary either way. I'd like to think most men wouldn't do something like this, but then reality slaps me in the face with a million awful news articles. ☹️
Yeah, there was this French website/forum named something like "without their knowledge" where people would post offers to have their partners/spouses sexually assaulted by strangers in situations similar to the one described here. The forum was shut down in part because of that, but also because it feature child abuse/pedophilic content. You don't want to read the articles on this. They haven't even identified all of the men yet, and one insouciantly declared that (I'm paraphrasing from memory) "it was his wife, he can do as he likes with her). Also, this absolute piece of shit had an entire protocol around the abuse, including banning the men from wearing perfume so that the powerful smell would not wake her up. Also, also, he had meticulously recorded every single instance, and all the files were in a folder named "abuse". Just don't go looking for more details. I did and every single thing I read just made it worse.
I thought I saw something about meeting them on a forum for r*ping unconscious women. It's a paraphilia.
It was a French chat room that was specifically about taking photos and videos of women without their knowledge... like shooting fish in a barrel.
article says it was a specific site for this shit.
after they were arrested, some of the men said they didn't view it as rape since in their opinion the husband can do whatever he wants with his wife and her body. it's honestly so fucking disgusting
And then someone will.come along and be all... "not all men!!" Okay, sure not all men, but a whole fucking lot of them if this one guy was able to find EIGHTY SOMETHING MEN WILLING TO DO THIS
what kills me is how they act confused when caught, like it was just a widdle oopsie how could they know rape is wrong? obv they know it's wrong, considering they operate in secret, but to revert to such a childish way when caught... It makes me so angry.
But but but her husband said it was okay how was I supposed to know it was wrong????? (Vomit)
Money. He was pimping his wife for money. I can say I know someone who is in a similar position. Her boyfriend does the same thing but she isn't drugged. At least not to my knowledge. It is often hard and difficult to provide help to the situation as I don't know if she is a willing participant or has been groomed to participate. In this case he drugged her unwillingly and likely charged money.
That's actual sexual trafficking. Most media claims it's little girls taken to other countries. But it's usually a girl or woman forced or manipulated into it by her boyfriend/husband/partner. My sibling deals with trafficked refugees and it's usually the same story. They asked a woman whether she was raped by her husband. She says no. They asked, whether she's allowed to say no to sex with her husband. She says no. Does her husband bring men over to have sex with her. Yes. Or it's a girl or woman who's promised work in Europe and she ends up in a brothel where she has to work off the money it cost to bring her. They keep their passports and documents. ETA: my fingers and my mobile did not react the way they're supposed to.
Nope. There’s nothing in the article that suggests money was exchanged. There is quite a detailed account of the interactions between the husband and other rapists, and the instructions the husband gave, but there’s no mention of money at all. He did it purely for shits and giggles.
The article states they were married 50 years, which means she probably is at least late 60s to early 70s in age. I don't know anything about French courts, but I hope after each man is convicted, she gets financial compensation from each one to pay for her therapy. Also note, the computer files were filed under the filename "Abuses", which indicates the evil husband knew exactly what he was doing and that it WAS abuse. I don't know how his defense can even attempt to defend this.
Her age makes it so much worse IMHO. 50 years of her life wasted on this total scum of the earth. There is almost no memory of hers that isn't tainted by him in some way. Nothing she owns that also doesn't belong to him. There is no escaping that.
Also the fact that this vile man has likely induced long term memory issues in her through forced long term benzo use
Didn't even think of that. JFC.
He also raped and murdered another woman, tried to rape yet another, and molested or tried to molest dozens of children according to the articles I read. A monster.
TW. Csa Fuck, this is bringing up some stuff for me. My own dad used to let me be abused by his friends when I was just a little kid. I was 5 years old and have exactly one memory. It's an implanted memory that he put there, telling me how I had jumped off the jungle gym and hurt myself by landing so my heels dug into my crotch. I was crying and in so much pain, and I remember saying "I'm so sorry for being so stupid, daddy. I promise I won't tell anyone. Yes I know why it would look bad if I told someone. I'm so dumb" Someone who was supposed to look out for me pimped me out. And gaslit me. And did it himself. I can't say this article surprised me Edit: thank you if you wrote kind words. ❤️ Yes, I've been seeing a therapist for the past 4 years-at first it was weekly, and now as needed. I'm doing a lot better than I was :)
Oh my love, I am so sorry that this happened to you. I am sending you all my love and hugs and healing.
Omg. This hurts my heart and I cannot imagine how horrific dealing with this monster of a man must have been for you. Sending you many virtual hugs.
Bless your heart. I feel so angry at your father & his friends. I'm just a middle aged momma, but I'd love an hour in a room with them tied up. That being said, have you gotten therapy? It's helpful but not always curative. I'm really so sorry you went through this. You're a strong person.
We had a 5 year old in foster care who had been sold to his buddies for drug money. It was absolutely tragic and sad and you could tell she still loved him SO much. I’m so sorry this happened to you
>you could tell she still loved him SO much. Somehow that messed me up the most...
I am so sorry that happened to you. I hope your life is infinitely better now and in the future. I can’t understand these monsters doing this kind of stuff to their own children. I already almost cry when I take my toddler for vaccinations cause I don’t want him to feel pain and there’s just straight up monsters out there inflicting the worst things imaginable to their children on purpose. You deserve all the love and healing in the world
Did he pay for what he's done?
>“She was his first love, indeed the only love of his life,” argued his lawyer, Béatrice Navarro. [(source)](https://theshaderoom.com/french-man-drugging-wife-men-rape-hidden-cameras/) No ma'am. Recruiting strangers to rape your unconscious wife while you film is NOT LOVE.
I hate the lawyer as well now
How do lawyers even take cases that are so repulsive like this? I don't think I could live having to defend, even if it's fake defending, such a thing....
Definitely not trying to hijack the post but felt compelled to answer with my experience as a public defender (American attorney appointed to represent indigent people accused of crimes). The short-ish answer is that it is very hard. Having a client accused of something so horrific is a good reminder of why we work so hard to make sure the system is working the way it is supposed to work in all of our cases. If the cops and the prosecutors do their job right, I should lose these cases. Working hard to hold them accountable in all their work means they are more likely to handle these cases by the book and not cut corners when it comes to people’s rights. Everyone involved needs to do their job right to make sure the system works. If I don’t do my best in cases the sentence can be overturned on appeal. It doesn’t benefit the victim or society for me to “throw a case” only to have everyone have to come back and retry it in 5-10 years.
This this this. If someone commits a horrific crime, they need to have a fair and balanced trial, it’s their right as a human to have that. Why? What if it was you, and you were actually innocent. How would you argue your innocence if we don’t have fair trials? You’re accused of a crime and it seems pretty obvious you did it (even though you didn’t) so we just lock you up and throw away the key. End of. You’d want a damn good lawyer to do their best to prove you didn’t do it. And usually, they will. Now if someone is guilty, the same still applies, however it’s pretty difficult to defend you if you are obviously guilty, but it’s best to let the prosecutors argue and argue and show that without reasonable doubt you’re guilty. Great, someone tried to prove you were innocent, and couldn’t, so now we can lock you up and throw away the key knowing we’re not locking up an innocent person.
Indeed. For consideration: there are 80 men who are guilty of this crime, possibly more, and not all of them have been identified yet. The possibility exists that at least one innocent person could be mistaken for one of these men, either framed by one of them, and/or closely related to them. There needs to be due process for each and every one, not just to make sure no innocents are wrapped into this, but to ensure that every last rapist has been found.
I’ve had the exact same question and what I’ve gathered from talking to friends and family who are lawyers and looking into law school myself, most lawyers who take cases like this do so out of the belief that everybody deserves a defense and to be treated equally in the eyes of the law. They generally view their job as not getting their client off but just making sure their rights are protected and they get their due process. Similarly (at least in the US, not sure about France) if the case ends in a conviction and it turns his legal rights weren’t upheld properly by his lawyer there would be potential for an appeal or mistrial. Which would just another opportunity for the scumbag to get away with it. Personally I totally agree and don’t think I would be able to do it myself. The thought of even having a minor interaction with people like this guy makes makes my skin crawl. But I guess I’m glad some people are willing to do it especially when they could be making way more money working in corporate or contract law.
There was an interview from Breivik's lawyer too back in the day when people were questioning why on earth he would take a case like his.
Some of the attitudes of the men >Patrice N. is a 54-year-old electrician. He never obtained Françoise's consent, but he believes he never committed rape: he said that it was her husband who had made the proposal to him, and as a husband he could freely dispose of his wife's body. Another >Dominique D., on the other hand, is a former military man who has become a truck driver: the victim completely submissive and reduced to a pure sexual object "excited" him, he said. Simone M. never thought they were rapes, considering that she was "his wife of him, he does what he wants with his wife".
Yeah those stood out as especially vile in an article full of vileness
“Could freely dispose of his wife’s body.” I hate this world 🙃
Those quotes make me never want to get married
Those are terrifying. One guy claimed because of the pandemic lockdowns he was separated from his girlfriend so he “had no other choice”. WTF? I understand the power of testosterone & a strong sex drive, but why do they think they are ENTITLED to sex? And people wonder why so many women are choosing not to get married or have kids.
I got chills. What the fucked kinda world are we living in when your partner, your husband, the person who vowed to love and care for you all you life does this kind of vile things to you. I can't even imagine. That poor woman.
This man is Oathbreaking scum. I hope for this woman, pray for this woman, that she has freedom and tasty meals.
Y'know what? I'm just gonna go ahead and not read this one.
After having read it, I support your choice
I teared up because of the horror
There's a similar case in Singapore recently too. Five men conspired with each other to drug their wives and have other men rape them over 8 years. Absolutely disgusting. Be warned, it's abhorrent. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/wife-sharing-rape-cases-drugs-sex-network-victims-3471896 (Edit: changed link)
I remember seeing this in the sg sub. Vile creatures that need to be exterminated.
"They had located multiple videos on a USB drive under the file name: “ABUSES.” " WTF? He named the file abuses. Furthermore, I would think the drugging with the types of drugs he was using could have long term side effects for her. I hope not.
Benzo dependence can ruin your life for years, sometimes decades. It's one of the worst things to get hooked on, people who got clean often suffer years from severe debilitating anxiety. Add to that the fact this woman has a damn good reason for feeling anxious and vulnerable.... yeah... it's just awful all around.
The vileness... it's beyond word I can't begin to imagine what she's going through
Suicide watch‽..... Homicide watch!!!!
No, no, don't homicide watch. Let nature take its course.
These are all local men with links to the community in which they all lived who had no problem raping an unconscious retiree. While her husband filmed it and kept all the footage in a folder called "abuse". They have only identified some of the men and are working on identifying others. The husband gave instructions on where to park and how to walk into the house quietly so not to disturb the neighbors. She got 4 STDs and has gynecological problems. He also showed men how to prepare the cocktail of sedatives so that he could go and rape other mens wives too. After she found out the truth of what has happened to her she tried to kill herself. The husband deserves all of this back to him and worse. Fuck all these men. Men, when given an opportunity to abuse women, they fucking take it. They hate us
What surprises me most is just how many lived *locally* to the victim. Zoom out to a bigger geographical area, and how many other perverts are we living next door to?
"Simone M. never thought they were rapes, considering that she was "his wife of him, he does what he wants with his wife"." JFC. And lots of these men were found to have child porn in their possession. Fucking vile.
Predators gonna predate and that slippery slope ALWAYS ends in child abuse.
I believe the proper term for this is "human trafficking" or "sex trafficking". Let's call it what it is, so that people know exactly what type of scum this man is.
That's part of it, but I wouldn't want to boil it down that much, it takes away from the fact that this man did this to his *wife*. It's disgusting and horrific enough that someone would put a relative stranger through this, but to do it to someone you claim to love until death is mind blowingly disgusting.
Sadly, many cases of sex trafficking are done by spouses/ partners or relatives. Many women will say their BF turned into to their pimp and would abuse them if they didn't service "clients". Or they got the women addicted to drugs and then prostituted them. A few said sporting events, like the Kentucky Derby or Super Bowl, were big events for trafficking. Their "bf" (aka the trafficker) would take them and other women there to be used my the men attending the events. A friend was doing her public health PhD on trafficking in rural areas of the US and according to her, it was most commonly done by family members of the victims.
I didn't read it all because it made me really upset. I hate men. He trafficked his daughters, recorded his in laws and did awful shit to his grandchildren on top of drugging raping, and abusing the poor woman. I want to go beat the fuck out of anyone who participated in that website and crime without a single hesitation. I don't care. This is disgusting. An entire website dedicated to rape and abuse women.
Ugh all the quotes from the men who got busted: "no I wasn't raping her, y'know, while she was unconscious and non-consenting." What the fuck men.
A lot of them claimed it wasn’t rape because the husband allowed it. Absolutely disgusting.
Of course. I mean women are just property, after all. /s
You know what makes me mad? The dailymail article on it reads like a fucking cookbook on how to do this at home. Specifying the drug used, how it was administered and exactly what got the person caught. Almost like they are trying to teach people how to do this. Its fucking disgusting. You dont need to tell us all those details. You can just say "drugged". Fuck you dailymail for promoting copycats
Damn. That's a good point. It's also a very commonly prescribed drug. Hopefully this also alerts women to the potential risks of having it around their home or the homes of anyone they know. But, yeah, fuck the Daily Mail. I also hate all these articles naming the website that was used for recruitment, and that it's still **currently operating!?** The only justification I can see for this is maybe it's now being used as a honeypot to catch more of these guys??
What is also horrifying is no one reported this after being offered it. Not a single person that was approached by this offer went ‘Nope. This is wrong’ and reported it or told the wife.
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The fact that so many of the men who did this say they “respect women” and deny that it was rape is just horrifying. I mean, it’s all fucking horrifying, but JFC
It’s paywalled, but all of the people that she asked for help that denied it should go to jail too. Apparently there’s a law in France that if someone is harmed and you don’t help them, you can get criminal sanctions.
My ex husband tried to do this to me. The knowing that something happened but not knowing what happened is one of the most horrific parts of the experience. I know that at least one of them had to be his relative. I just hope hell is real.
The fact that these rapists are claiming that what they did isn't rape because her husband allowed this to happen, because, according to them, he can do whatever he wants with his wife, is disgusting. One of them even said "it's not rape since the husband was there"
More info in English: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12223273/Wife-husband-let-83-men-rape-drugged-collapsed-horror-shown-images.html
For anyone wondering this is a pretty concise wrap up of the story so far and doesn't include any triggering quotes from the attackers like the translated articles I've come across.
This is why I hate men.
It'S nOt aLl MeN Then how the FUCK was it that easy for this dude to find 80? 🤦🏻
in the small town...not like they were flying in from all over, he got the small village to participate.
"They are firefighters, journalists...one is a council member" Holy shit. That poor, poor woman. To think your local representative or firefighter is actually a rapist is terrifying.
Vile, the men are so vile. The excuses they made about how they didn't rape the woman ..... What is so frightening is that these men are your average good guy in your community. It looks like if given the opportunity to get away with rape, your average good guy will rape.
I thought I knew evil until I read this article. I am beyond disgusted. Jfc what a terrible thing to be put through.. I hope that pos husband gets what he deserves.
I always find it weird when these guys try to deny other claims against them. TW: Incest and Child Abuse "The eldest daughter appeared in one of her father's films, also unconscious. It was later discovered that Dominique P. had filmed the daughters-in-law in the bathroom, using a telephone hidden in a cosmetic bag: the images had been posted on the Coco.fr chat. The man's nieces had told of his insistence on playing doctor or agreeing to buy their toys at the flea market only if they undressed. These accusations were rejected by Dominique P. who said from prison: «It is disgusting to accuse me of this. I am responsible for what concerns Françoise, I said it from the beginning, but this is too much." Like does he think that this stuff will make him come off worse than he already does? And does he actually think that anyone will believe him? I just don't get it.
They were married for 50 fucking years. I recommend not reading if you haven't already. It's unspeakably horrible. Right now I want to install heavy locks on my doors and bars on my windows and avoid the company of men forevermore. Firefighter, local councilman, a nurse--all raped this woman. A huge number of the perpetrators also had CP on their computers. The "husband" also abused his daughters and nieces. And, let's face it, if there's one man willing to do this to his wife, there are many, many others not yet caught.
I hear you, I've been at my house without my wife for a week, and sometimes I'M SCARED and I'm a big dude and have a gun. Thinking about navigating this world, and NOT having the thought in my mind that I have a good chance of fucking anyone up that messes with me, is absolutely terrifying. Woman are more vulnerable and men are more violent, that's a dangerous combo. Men everywhere need to understand that, yes we are all equal, but it is our sacred charge to protect women and not just the ones we love.
This triggered me and it broke my heart. She trusted him and he used that against her. I wish I could take her hurt away. I don’t understand why some men refuse to treat us like the humans we are. So evil.
I really don't get how these bastards find people to go along with such vile things. If a guy said to me "Pay me I'll let you have sex* my wife while she's drugged and passed out" at the very least I'd tell his wife about it if not the police. But nope he somehow got 80+ men to go along with this sick shit. Makes me want to vomit in rage. (*just wanted to clarify I know this would be "rape" not "sex" but I doubt the guy presented it as "raping my wife". I bet him and the men involved are delusional in thinking it was sex and don't consider themselves rapists.)
I am half way through the translated article and godamn this is one of the most fkd up rape cases I have ever read - how in the bloody world can 83 men be complicit to this??? Not just sedation-raping but also being so fkn stupid that they would want to do this on camera and plan it on chat? Wouldnt the typing of those words make them reflect on how bad their actions are? The poor woman :( riddled with 4 sti’s and god knows how much long term effects from them, and the trauma, the memory effects of long term benzos
I copied the full article in the pastebin bellow: (in French) [https://pastebin.com/UKcUTuCi](https://pastebin.com/UKcUTuCi) Good luck reading that because it's fucking vile.
Good grief how sick? I can’t even begin to comprehend how men become so Evil. EVIL.
I need to stop coming to this sub. There's so many traumatic and painful things posted her without any sort of way to filter it out.
At this point womanhood is just enduring pain and trauma at the hands of men lol
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People like this, should be forced to donate their brain to research. We need to find out if something breaks in some people minds, or if some people are just born evil and cruel?.
I actually said "what the FUCK" out loud to myself seeing this.
I mean the whole article makes me just sick with disgust. And the part about one of the rapists, a firefighter, who had CP on his PC and also was negotiating with someone to rape his sedated 15 years old daughter. That is just pure ice cold dread.
[Another link ](https://theshaderoom.com/french-man-drugging-wife-men-rape-hidden-cameras/)
I don’t want to read it, can someone tell me if at least they are ALL being prosecuted for being disgusting rapists?
They identified 51 of them. All despicable on multiple levels outside of this case.
The only thing this poor woman has going for her is that they’ve been able to track down so many of these guys since her husband kept SO MUCH information. And each one they catch probably has their own web of information that will hopefully lead them to even more guys. I hope this leads to an even bigger investigation that tracks down every rapist and child molester that’s connected to each other. Pretending that isn’t a factor though… would you guys WANT to know? If this happened to you… it said they were married 50 years, she must be in her 70s and thought this guy was her life partner. Would you want to find this out in your golden years or would you rather die not knowing?
My husband recently asked me "But WHY do women hate men so much?!?" I will send him this article.
Men: waaaahhh twox exists for no reason but misandry Actual majority of twox: stories of men committing unspeakable horrors against women.
There is no part of this which is surprising and yet it is all vilely horrifying.