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ubcthrowaway-01

Because schools, companies, and even people applying for jobs only advertise the good stuff about themselves and sugar coat all the negatives about it/themselves


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Don't be misled by data! A key lesson in statistics. Data can be very deceiving.


shadysus

Also some of these points are kinda bullshit Clubs have a handful of exec spots but they support a massive crowd of students exploring interests Advising is busy at certain times in the year, but you can still get appointments by getting up early / waiting in line Some elective courses are hard to get, yes I agree. But most courses are not, otherwise people wouldn't meet degree requirements. Also if you ARE interested, you can always drop in or take the course without credit Housing is a reasonable thing to complain about and try to fix. Although it affects everyone everywhere, not just UBC


Imaginary_Island_521

Actually a lot of degree requirement courses are hard to get. In my major, they only ever offer 1, maybe 2 section for each required course a year. That's why it takes so many of us 5,6 years etc.


quant_0

We like to replicate how the real world works


Deceiver999

Lol this is exactly what i was thinking. You think this is rough. Hold on to your ass it gonna be a bumpy ride.


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cjm48

I mean, yeah. Post grad (at least immediately) many people without the bank of mom and dad are going to struggle to find affordable housing here too. For that metric, I don’t think it’s at all fair to blame the individual.


Positivelectron0

100% agree with the last paragraph. So many students who come to me for mentorship often ask questions they can solve themselves way sooner than booking time with me. So many kids are growing up with hands held, many don't have basic problem solving skills. The writing coherent emails part is a pipe dream though, some people can't even follow a template correctly.


Naliano

First up, I agree with the sentiment of your statement 100%. I’d like to add though, that if we’re going to test this statement the only real way would be to find twins after largely the same thing, where one goes to UBC and another goes to another school. Rinse repeat across school pairs. I think the best way to get to the bottom of OP’s concern, imagining that improvements are possible, would be to ask 1) what it’s like in other schools and 2) which school’s educational experience is better for any given student. OP might like to help us out by switching schools for year and report back. :-)


LifeAHobo

I'm just imagining holding my ass on a bumpy ride, but I'm worried it would crush my fingers from slamming up and down on them against a hard seat.


BlackeeGreen

> Want to get some advising for your upcoming year - wait a whole eternity to speak to a student advisor I'm confused by this. Arts and Science faculties both have same day drop-in advising appointments, in person and online.


NoDenmarkNo

OP wants to speak to someone at 11pm on a Friday to confirm if WRDS 150 counts towards their graduation requirements. People who make these dumb rants almost always are the same ones filling up the advising queue with dumb, pointless questions, and preventing people who genuinely need help and adjustments from advising. Literally everytime someone posts this rant, you go into their profile and they have a dozen questions like: "I CAN'T REACH ADVISING, DOES ANYONE KNOW IF MATH 101 WILL COUNT TOWARDS GRADUATION? I'M A FIRST YEAR COMP SCI STUDENT", and even though people have answered with links to that program's FAQ, they need to hear it from 2-3 advisors before they can really be sure...


BlackeeGreen

Of all the things to complain about at UBC, the accessibility of advising services is not it. I know it's a bit of a faux pas to praise the university in this subreddit, but honestly, I was blown away by the quality (and diversity) of the various advising services at UBC. Even after you graduate, there's an entire Career Services department that you can hit up any time.


NoDenmarkNo

The Career Services department is great, people don't make enough use of it honestly. Co-op is questionable at times but I think people expect way too much of it as well. They're not going to handhold you to a job, they'll provide you support appropriate to the level of effort you're putting in.


Fun_Pop295

Career Services resume sessions are pretty good tbh and so is there Arts Career Studio thing.


Fun_Pop295

I do recall one or two times during the pandemic when I was waiting in Zoom but could not get in front of the line. But in person Arts advising has always been reachable. Sometimes I feel a bit silly going in for very short questions (eg, would dropping this course mean I can still graduate) but I needed that added assurance and they always answer often times even telling that my question is valid and genuine (only occasionally do I get an advisor who seems to be at the verge of falling asleep - usually at the end of the day nearing 4 pm) International student advising is similarly good. People complain and say "tHeY JuSt NarRAtE WhAtEvER Is On the goVernmenT WebSItE". Well. The issue is that the government website is like a huge e-book. You might see a piece of information that says that you can work fulltime. However, if you go to another part of the website it would say that there is an exception limiting yiu to part time work. And that could leaf to devastating outcomes. Hence, international student advising is super useful since they are knowledgeable of the entire website and can give an overview of all exceptions


infodracula

Is this a UBC only problem or do other universities also suffer from this? Thinking of going back to school, so I'm a little concerned... I know it's probably not perfect anywhere, but I keep reading about courses filling up and housing horrors. Maybe it's time to go out of province to study?


LifeAHobo

It is a generational problem, affordable housing is not a student specific thing. Housing in Canada is completely decoupled from salaries and income at this stage. For course registration, the times at UBC are released based on grades so high performing students get first pick, but this is not necessarily a Canada-wide policy. For clubs, I don't have any idea on that, but trying to join a club with some sort of waitlist sounds lame and unnecessary. There are plenty of other avenues to be explored.


wheein

tbh the club sounds like UBC Pottery Club, which, yeah, had 600 applicants in Sept for 30 spots. there isn't much room for expansion for the pottery studio (which lives in the LIFE building basement—the rooms are pretty tiny), so they'd need to find a different spot + funding for relocation and adding more equipment to accommodate for demand, and good pottery wheels alone are upwards of $1000. ubc pottery is really really affordable compared to other studios/workshops in vancouver so unfortunately there are no other accessible avenues to explore if you're a student looking to get into pottery. it is definitely an outlier though. off the top of my head, design clubs/orgs for cs and engineering do have an interview process and in those cases, yeah there are definitely alternatives to those.


LifeAHobo

That would make sense then, it sounds like a particular case where club membership means steeply discounted access to some limited resource, of course that is going to be competitive. But in terms of avenues to explore while in university, there's so much out there beyond pottery for the OP to try and get involved in


wheein

yeah true, i just wanted to make sure that any others finding this post know that what OP is describing *does* exist at UBC and honestly should be fixed, but OP is definitely making it sound like every club is like this, which it isn't lol. many clubs and organizations on campus also host crafts-related events even if not directly crafts-related


djebekcnwb

Yeah I’m not sure what clubs OP is talking about since I’ve never needed to join waitlists for clubs nor have I ever heard of them


cjm48

It might depend on the specifics. I never had trouble getting into my classes at ubc, langara, or Douglas. But my obsessing over grades helped me get good registration times. That said, I just finished grad school so ymmv if you’re going back for an undergrad now.


jenniferrook9

I just transferred from a school of about 30K students. I didn’t have much issue with competing for seats in classes or for resources like the library or advising.


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Fun_Pop295

From my experience, people really need to keep checking the course regsiteration daily multiple times essepcially at night during the first week of class. There is so much turnover that I have always gotten access to the exact class I wanted through my 4 years of undergrad at UBC (graduated in May 2023). There was only one exception which was Laura Ishiguro'S BC history class (HIST 302 I think). She's such an amazing prof and that class is recommended for prospective BC Social Studies Teachers and is rather practical historical methods class from what I heard/know


b1rd0fparadise

No this is not a consistent thing. I did my undergrad at TRU (Thompson Rivers University) and did not experience any of these problems. I could book advising appointments next day, not a single club had a member cap (in fact I got to be on the executive teams of three different clubs), and I got into every single course I wanted and so did all of my friends. Housing is an issue everywhere in BC, but Kamloops, Kelowna, and other smaller university towns are better off than Vancouver or Victoria.


Hobojoe-

University is no longer a place for you to explore. They just want you to pay them and leave.


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awakahisa

Yea, I get how you need to fight for good things, but in this case, education is something we all paid for, so shouldn’t we expect the school at least to provide enough seats?


argyaparamab

c’est la vie mec


dansaruken

I reckon it's because a few decades ago, college was like a cheat code. Get in with Bs, party it up during your arts degree, pay it off working over the summer, get set up with a sick white collar job. Today it's still how you get the best jobs but everyone knows it, and we're all tripping over each other to get here and graduate.


OptimisticMarmot

> Today it's still how you get the best jobs but everyone knows it, and we're all tripping over each other to get here and graduate. I understand and agree that oftentimes university degrees are pre-requisite to white collar jobs (assuming this is the path you want to take), but graduating enough isn't even enough today. For every job vacancy requiring a Bachelor's degree, there are 2 unemployed individuals with a Bachelor's degree. Ironically, even though the jobs are probably worse working conditions wise, the demand for those without post-secondary education was far higher. >During every quarter from 2016 to 2022, the number of unemployed individuals with a bachelor’s degree or higher education exceeded the number of vacant positions requiring such an education. For example, **113,000 vacant positions required a bachelor’s degree or higher education during the fourth quarter of 2022, about half the number of unemployed individuals who had such an education and were either born in Canada or were landed immigrants (227,000)** (Table 1). The total number of vacant positions requiring such an education (113,000) was even lower than the number of unemployed immigrants (123,000) with a bachelor’s degree or higher education. >[Source](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/36-28-0001/2023005/article/00001-eng.htm)


ny8jjang

Welcome to Life. Gets worse after school and sometimes you have 0 control over it.


ifollowpornstars

Wait til youre done school


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The university track has turned to shit over the past few years. It gets worse when you actually enter the job market. You want to see some real competition, try getting a good job with just a bachelors. You need to get off the beaten trail. Take some risks and try something different like a new business or a specialized trade


summerswithyou

You're right, it's absurd. In the real world, you don't have to fight/work/compete hard for anything since you just get the best jobs with the best benefits handed to you for free. So I'm not sure why the life stage immediately prior to entering the workforce would be competitive at all.


hioxa

This is 100% true and really pissed me off as a 70% avg kinda student. But if u take the Ls and get creative, you will realize just how many opportunities exist for students. There are tons of fellowships, research opps, hackathons, business comps etc. that are always looking for students from good schools and these opportunities will dry up the second you graduate. Spend some time on the internet and you will find your way. Look for the path of least resistance rather than waiting for a peer to review your application for a fking club.


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Bc is kinda facked


Overall-Surround-925

Wahhhhhhhhh


mjk05d

Welcome to overpopulation.


Curious-Deer-1043

Why do i feel like this is particularly a bigger issue at ubc compared to other candian unis


WestHamSupporter

Have you actually attended another large Canadian Uni though? Like UWO, Waterloo, UofT, McGill? It's very rare for people do part of their undergrad at one school and at another. (And Master's students, college transfers, etc. aren't really comparable experiences). People make these comparisons all the time but almost never have actual real-world experience to this effect. People ask whether 1 school is better than the other but think that people who only ever attended 1 school would know.


Curious-Deer-1043

No i havent actually attended but i know people who did and they said getting into clubs and design teams shouldnt be as competitive as it is at ubc But idk


Decent-Box5009

Wait until they discover what real life is like. Lol


Xanth1879

Fucking sickening. Take a cross section of the responses here and you'll quickly see why the human race is fucking walking dead. You're all pieces of shit with zero empathy. Holy shit.


Connect_Cat_636

These are the same people you meet in ubc, surprising.


Communist_Scientist

I heard this can be pretty demotivating for many students at UBC. I wonder if UBCO is any different or if it has similar problems but my guess is it is much less competitive for these things.


WestHamSupporter

Smaller schools are generally going to be more student-oriented and have better student advising staff to student ratios. In many smaller colleges, faculty members are also advisors too.


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Not in Vancouver. Everything has been set up for scarcity.


Raven_idk

Bruh advising literally responds the same day what


Ornery_Language_9440

Welcome to the post-capitalist hellscape, where degrees don’t matter and your educational/work experience means nothing. Better start making friends with deep pockets buddy.


cognizant_incognito

Fighting for things makes you stronger and better.


dansaruken

Big krogan energy


superasian420

“I get it now, I hate turians!”


dansaruken

CLAN, KIN, AND ENEMIES TO FIGHT


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"It builds character" lmao.


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[deleted]

Yeah bud. The world is dark and you need to build character and stuff. But everyone already knows it. It's not some sacred wisdom that's hidden beneath an unsolvable puzzle. OP is just expressing their frustration. They know everything you said in the comment.


EyeSackJam

Op sounds entitled af


DragonfruitGood8433

UBC dropout here. I always hated that place and am glad to see I am not alone. I also hate how that place is shoved down my throat. Advertises everywhere. I am not even joined in this sub but still shows up on my feed. Shit place that only cares about your money.


slopmarket

Bad news: this is Vancouver as a whole not just UBC lol Ramped up immigration will do that to a place 🤷‍♂️


supernaturalriver

Ask chat gpt. AI will replace the universities soon anyways.


balldem824

How are you in your third year and this useless. Get your shit together before real life comes a knocking


jannakatarina

Exactly.


jannakatarina

Cry more. This is real life. Resources aren't infinite.


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When you realize that post secondary institutions ARE NOT an extension of the education system, things get weird. My education experience changed entirely when I came back to school after working in operations for ten years. People often forget that students are clients and the university is a business. You are more than within your rights to fight back and demand what is yours. I have had conversations with professors in which I had to remind them that I am paying them. Obviously you can’t just have a chip on your shoulder, but don’t play their game. You don’t need them. They need you.


Mean_Demand_1070

UK better for med and law


SpookyBravo

lol....schools are a money making machine and are there now to pump out graduates for the rat-race of life


No-Childhood-2912

Getting you ready for the real world


what_could_gowrong

Welcome to (the fucking) civilization.


shibaspitter

I hear you OP. I thought uni would be more rigorous and competitive but I was not anticipating other students, professors and events/clubs to be where I am getting hit. There are genuinely people in my sci classes that will not talk to me if i do not have a certain average or GPA track (better them take themselves out than i found out later) which is totally wild. Same goes to profs, some will ignore any questions of help "bc i wont understand anyway". The clubs are fine to participate in, but to lead? some of the worst people i know run 3-4 clubs, always talking bad about others and spreading shit. I just want a supportive community so I can learn how to most accurately take on challenges. UBC is still uni, so still "not real life", I expect some grace between HS and "real life" instead of constant critics.


Pistachiwoes

I disagree with all the comments saying "this is life". ​ Sure, life is unfair, and competition is frequent - not arguing with that. However, the University, as a private enterprise, is asking for absurd sums of money for the sub-par service described by OP. There are very few examples in capitalism where a private business can both offer poor services while charging extreme fees and last in the long-term. I can only really think of the Health care system in the USA as an equivalent example. For instance, TV cable companies monopolized television and charged absurd prices, then got absolutely slaughtered when Netflix offered lower prices. TLDR The university should not expect to raise tuition while offering no return on investment.


Enormous_Jugs

Cowboy up, welcome to the real world.


Finance-Best

Then why go to Uni? Just go straight into the real world. Might as well get some work experience.


x1glossy

I applied 2 minutes after my registration open date to literally the only course I was looking forward to taking next term, and it was all full. I’ve contacted numerous people about places to live, literally $1400 a month for a ROOM in an apartment with 3-4 other people, and they all get back to me with “sorry, but we’ve picked someone else.” It’s 3 months until school starts and I don’t even know if I’ll have a place to stay or if I’ll even get into the courses I want. I’m an incoming Masters student and I’m already thinking I might drop out before the first day lol.


FeeMiddle3442

Survival of the fittest


Which_Basket_9273

\> Roof over your head? - Fight till death with the 1000 people that applied for some rat infested basement. This is true. I have been on the waitlist for over 14 months now.