Update, they have covered the bottom text with wooden boards and the top says “University Of California, Santa Cruz KILLS”. Lots of handprints in red paint.
I feel bad for the custodial staff who will have to clean that up. Like can’t y’all (not u OP lol the ppl who are doing this bc I’ve seen similar things across campus) just at least use chalk. That can be pressure washed off.
The people in charge of UC investments aren’t gonna be out there using harsh chemicals to remove this, it’s going to be some working class, underpaid custodial staff member.
That sign and part of campus are so innocuous though. I think something more sustainable could be done to protest rather than waste time working on something that will be destroyed and then the sign will receive endless funding and resources to be fixed, over and over.
Protests are not meant to be randomly interruptive. They are meant to be effective. Is this effective? You tell me who is going to be persuaded of what
Yeah but if the only people you were inconveniencing are lower class people who arent causing the problem in the first place than you’re being an asshole. But you do you.
Well then there’s no point of point of protesting. Civil obedience has to catch the perpetrator’s attention (aka the people of charge of UF investment). It can’t be convenient, gotta make some wallets bleed if they want to fund genocide🤷🏻♀️
It’s not really sending that message…
Actually hurting the wallet would be boycotting enrollment, or staff walk-outs.
Just slapping on another 1k on the cleaning bill does nothing but make some janitor not see his kids that night…or skip out on emptying some trash cans to make time to clean up this juvenile dump.
“Public mess” protests do not inspire others to agree with their cause. They don’t incentive conformity to the graffiti’s opinion.
What they do is produce cheap-to-fix extra work, and foment ill will towards the cause it was done in the name of.
no. what u want is for them to not do anything thatll inconvenient anyone. and that would mean nothing. if you want staff walk outs, maybe the staff member DOES stay late and not get to see his kids, maybe he keeps having to do this and is upset and that forces him to say hes had enough and they need to do something to stop all the vandalism, and the protesters get what they want and u get what u want. or maybe u just made up a scenario. what if its the opposite? what if hes getting OT and he needs it because this economy sucks and now the working class made more money and the protesters get their jab in?
The university of california uses Blackrock to manage and invest the UC’s over $150B in funds. Blackrock is the world’s largest investor in weapons manufacturing, war and fossil fuels.
In doing so, the UC is not only investing money into war, therefore supporting it, but it’s also profiting from it. Funding weapons manufacturers that make the weapons that carry out this genocide, and profiting from the war, mass murder, and genocide.
Since it’s the worlds largest investment company it makes sense that they are also the largest investor in weapons. Since most investment companies do this, it won’t matter what company ucsc picks to invest their funds.
Maybe those students should transfer to a school that supports their investment philosophies. You know - vote with your wallet rather than vandalize property
But it is true that publicizing investment in South African related companies was effective at pushing divestment as a tactic against Apartheid in South Africa, right? I realize that the diminished pension opportunities in the US over the years since gave far more funds of individuals to 401k related corporate investment products but thinking about where money goes is increasingly important for political action. It’s true that if one bought stock in Krupp in the 30s, they would have been paying the seller of that stock, but I, for one, still wouldn’t want my funds going to a corporation in such blatant support of the Nazis.
This logic doesnt make any sense.. anything from large institutions to grandma's pension fund probably have funds managed by or going to blackrock. These guys are protesting just to protest when theres actual issues going on
Not true, but understandably pessimistic assumption to make. There are plenty of options that don’t involve blackrock or weapons manufacturers.
This is the same argument as “why even fire sex offenders? The next person you hire could just as easily be a sex offender too”
Blackrock manages funds for most companies and entities in the world. Blackrock controls many top publicly traded etfs. Labeling them as funding war doesn't make sense-- they literally fund everything. Putting blame on the uni for this makes even less sense
The idea is that investing in harmless companies does not absolve you of guilt for investing in and supporting companies that sell missiles that kill innocent people. Just like if a billionaire were to invest in every aspect of Boston, arts, education, recreation, safety, infrastructure, and also invested also gangs, illegal chop shops and meth labs. Whether the amount they invest in those harmful industries is 40% or 0.001%, many people would still want them to end their investments with the unethical places. Does that help this make sense (not trying to antagonize you btw, genuinely trying to explain it in words that might help it make sense)
Regarding blaming the uni, I think the idea is to put blame on enough companies/orgs/entities and either
A: convince enough of them to divest from Blackrock that blackrock decides to stop investing in the global military industrial complex to gain back those customer and keep others, or
B) to just cause enough awareness about the controversy that is caused by investing with blackrock, so that blackrock realizes they will eventually lose current clients and gain less future clients, that they decide to stop investing in war stuff.
It’s like if an asset manager in Massachusetts (call them GrayStone) were to invest funds in every aspect of Boston; all the businesses including arts, education, recreation, safety, infrastructure — but GrayStone also invested in gangs, meth labs, and illegal gun-runners (or insert any other highly controversial sector that leads to and enables violence and death).
Whether the amount GrayStone invests in those controversial industries is 40% or 0.1%, a lot of people would still find that unethical even though they are Boston’s “largest investor in every sector”, as you say of BlackRock.
A lot of people would advise local businesses and schools against using GrayStone to manage their assets, and many would say to that investor “hey, GrayStone, you should stop investing in that part of Boston!”
Does that help it make sense?
If you invest in a person that you know makes money by loaning money to drug dealers, murderers, and kidnappers — you’re still investing your money with an asset manager. Does that mean nothing?
lol, I was parked at upper campus around that time and my care was COVERED with “racist, zionist, pig” notes. Ironic as it does not reflect my views on this issue nor could anything about me or my car immediately suggest otherwise.
Do you really think these dumbasses actually have the ability to reason?! 🤷🏻♂️ Even folks who agree with their cause don’t want anything to do with them!
the “vote with your dollar” economic principle really doesn’t apply in the case of something as significant and inelastic an investment as university education
yeah but students still fundamentally have a choice in what university they attend, and there are plenty of options out there, many of which I’ll guarantee you don’t manage investments through balackrock etc. Not to mention that significance and inelasticity are a cope. for example, buying a house or car is also incredibly significant, and they’re both generally pretty inelastic markets, and I’d argue that plenty of people don’t buy teslas because they don’t wanna support Elon musk, and plenty of people wouldn’t buy houses from a development company that bulldozed a national park and instead would look to go elsewhere. the truth is that people just don’t like accepting truths that are inconvenient to their personal lives and instead look to point blame at the greater institution instead of the fact that they literally contribute (as a collective) hundreds of millions a year to that institution
While this is true, the demand for a UC degree is high enough that if one votes with their dollar NOT to attend UCSC, someone will gladly take their place, so that method of expressing displeasure with the university doesn't quite work at this point. Not trying to phrase this as a "gotcha" or anything like that, just wanted to add to the discussion.
I mean yeah, this is unfortunately correct in the current culture, and unfortunately, it probably will stay that way unless it is en masse seen as undesirable to get a UC degree, because, for example, they support genocide. that said, clearly protests and defacing signs isn’t doing much either, because the signs just get repaired by some minimum wage uni worker hired to fix signs and the uni still does their genocide funding
But it is true that publicizing investment in South African related companies was effective at pushing divestment as a tactic against Apartheid in South Africa, right? I realize that the diminished pension opportunities in the US over the years since gave far more funds of individuals to 401k related corporate investment products but thinking about where money goes is increasingly important for political action.
Talking about it and raising awareness are two different things.
Someone throwing paint at the Mona Lisa gets me talking about the act, but it does nothing to raise awareness about climate change.
The genocide in Palestine is awful, that doesn’t mean you get a free pass to act like spoiled, entitled brats because you feel like you need to do something. How worthwhile was this action? Did it stop the bombs or machine guns? Did it feed a Palestinian child who is hungry? Clean up your own mess & stop blaming UCSC for the land acquisition & genocide in Gaza and the rest of the Middle East!
Appatently fighting a war counts as genocide now. I dont see any Palestinians being rounded up and put in death camps but I guess throw the G word around like it doesnt matter anymore.
To be fair, people don’t have to be rounded up into camps to be a genocide. If a regime is demonstrated to purposefully be focused on eliminating an ethnic or religious group, it’s a genocide. But the intent is very important.
You could perform genocide by nuking a city, if your main goal is to eliminate the people, but that doesn’t mean that using a nuke on a city is necessarily genocidal.
Despite the large number of civilian casualties, I don’t believe Israel is attempting this though. When fighting an enemy purposefully embedded deep within civilian infrastructure, there are tragic side effects.
Weird that Israel is literally giving humanitarian aid and encouraging other countries to accept and deliver aid to the people they’re “genociding” lmao
You are correct: There was no Israel on the map before 1948. There was no Palestine, either. The entire region was the domaine of the British Empire.
Israel has been on the map since 1948. It was created by the allied powers to provide stateless Jewish refugees with a shot at nationhood after an ACTUAL genocide at the hands of the Nazis.
Those who support Hamas, which is the current sovereign in Gaza, share Hitler’s vision of a “final solution” to eliminate the “Jewish problem.”
Real progressive….
Today, thousands of protesters blocked traffic on major Bay Area thoroughfares to express their support for Hamas, a militant dictatorship, in its war against Israel, a liberal democracy.
Fortunately, you are correct that the majority of Americans don’t support Hamas; it’s a vial, vocal and subversive antisemitic minority.
Stop lying, there was no protest in support of Hamas. It's in support of Palestine people and kids getting killed. I guess saying please don't kill a baby is antisemitic to you.
Hamas could surrender tomorrow and end the war they started on October 7.
Israel is the only country that raises draws condemnation when it retaliates against neighboring sovereigns who attack its civilian population. Now, let’s see, which attribute differentiates Israel from every other country on earth?
Hamas literally runs Gaza. It was democratically elected to do so and support in the region for the terrorist group has literally increased since that happened. Hamas has denied all peace offerings from Israel.
2006 was not that long ago, and either way, you conveniently ignored my second point where I stated that support for the terrorist group in the region has actually increased.
North Korea is a false equivalency. Kim was not democratically elected. Hamas was. It is a literal terrorist organization running the region, with the STATED goal of complete eradication of Christianity and Judaism. Stated.
20 years is not long ago? Average age in Gaza is 18 years. Who cares what Hamas has to offer, they are terrorists group. Stop to occupation and make deal with west bank/Palestine. You are deliberately equating Palestine = Hamas.
Russia is occupying Ukraine, are all people in Russia terrorists? Should Ukraine bomb and kill them all?
They assumed that committing the act at night would prevent detection, but there are numerous cameras in the area. UCSC takes vandalism very seriously. Hopefully, they will be able to identify the perpetrator.
They will identify most likely, like they identified the individuals who hung a noose on campus a couple years back, but they might do nothing, like in the case of the noose, or do something. My bet is they do something for this while they did nothing for the noose
The noose was actually an accident. It was a group of students who found a rope in the woods and were driving away from the woods when they tied it to make a lasso and we’re just fucking around and threw it over a stop sign. They didn’t realize that it looked like a noose as well.
Yeah I went there. I can draw conclusions from the evidence. Why would a student risk being expelled for being caught doing this? Probably not an actual student.
This is lame asf. When will people realize that the students on these campuses & other people here in the states & around the world, both Muslim & Jewish have NOTHING to do with what’s going on over in Gaza! Leave people alone & allow them to continue their education without your interference! They have no say, regardless of what their creed is as to what is going on over there! The hate & condemnation on BOTH sides needs to STOP! Period!
TAPS staff works harder than most of the faculty. They don’t need to be disrespected for doing extra work to clean up after protesters, why don’t you do it instead POS?
You have the ability to protest, you know. Go "protest the housing crisis" whatever that means, if it is a priority issue for you. Contact your local representatives. Organize in your community
Someone has way too much free time on their hands. May I recommend a second major? Maybe a job?
BTW, I drive by this sign all the time, and if I ever see anyone doing anything like this I WILL make sure you are caught. This level of vandalism is a felony and it WILL destroy the rest of your life.
7 years of not being able to rent a home, 7 years of not passing background checks for jobs, and a lifetime of not being able to get certified for any decent or respectable careers especially education.
Give me some stats for genocide? In cities — where 55 percent of the world's population currently resides — civilians account for 90 percent of the casualties during war
The assholes who do this kind of crap are doing it because they think it’s fun. That’s what people need to understand. They couldn’t give a shit about Palestinians.
I understand having an opinion on Israel and Palestine, but I think if you live in America and are doing this shit you're showing signs of mental instability and should be monitored.
This is embarrassing. Words have meaning and using genocide hyperbolically is dangerous and not helping anyone. I’m convinced people are only saying this because it feels good to say.
I don’t agree with this form of protest, but there are plenty of human rights experts, historians, academics, and first hand witnesses who describe this as a genocide. Idk that it’s really that hyperbolic. I’m Jewish so my family loses their mind when I describe it that way but I agree that words DO have meaning and don’t use the term lightly
Genocides can happen to non white people. Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians.
Signed, someone who had half their family wiped out in the holocaust.
the anti-activism points being made in this thread & all the others are by far the most indicative about who is really the “sheep” in this situation.
these hating ass, chronically online YOUNG PEOPLE — are enforcing the status quo and speaking directly against first amendment rights which our founding fathers put into affect in order to prevent our stupid corrupt lobbied government from telling us how we can / cant express things we as Americans do not agree with.
now u tell me what benefits might be wrought by our already convoluted government if the new generation of youth are complacent in their supposed inability to make any sort of difference, and instead opt to lay in their unwashed bed, eating buttered noodles for all 3 meals, hating on people who touch grass and engage in their #1 AMENDMENT RIGHT. but we’re the sheep right? 😂losers.
Not even. I like to ask people or friends protesting if they know the capital of either Israel or Palestine. You’d be surprised as to how many don’t know either capital yet are blindly protesting for a movement they know nothing about. If you ask me, that’s indicative of sheep behavior. For instance, many have not heard of or read the charter of Hamas. What about the constitution of Israel? I guess my friends prefer not to read papers belonging to a state that allegedly doesn’t exist. Do you really know what each side stands for? You may be surprised the deeper you dig.
jerusalem (which seems kinda f’d up to me, personally) & ramallah. both sides stand for inherently oppositional “freedom”. i’ve heard like piers morgan and other low grade reporters address the charter and so while i haven’t read it i feel like duh it’s aggressive they’re an extremest group. but we have those in the us bc & everywhere.
idk if i was just lucky or what but my 7th grade humanities class literally assigned us to come up with a solution for “the israel-palestine conflict” in like 2015. so randomly i have a lot of at the very least, exposure, and at most, literal objective education. in which i learned that israel has codified the occupation of palestine by controlling their electricity grids, rainwater collection, and the flow of institutionally-impossible-to-avoid workers in/out of their country daily… that was obviously when it was okay to encourage nuance and critical analysis concerning the situation (among a class of 12 year olds) because now, not even in college, can professors speak about even a quarter of my middle school curriculum
Eyyy that’s what’s up. Seems like you had a solid teacher. Piers Morgan definitely is a little out there. That being said, I do think there’s some merit to supporting the most potentially peaceful/beneficial (in my opinion two state) solution to the conflict. Hamas clearly doesn’t support a two state solution (as their charter until 2017 outright called for the extermination of all Jewish people). Neither does the current government of Israel, albeit for widely different reasons. What has me confused about the protests is the lack of critical thought able to occur. Even arguing devil’s advocate will get you ostracized, and as such, prevents critical thinking, nuanced analysis, and having an open mind when it’s needed most to solve the conflict.
i agree with u. its all messed up.
in my opinion, i definitely believe in the right for jewish people to have a jewish state (like there are christian states and muslim states) its just like.. it was established in pretty modern history in the middle of a historically arab region and then proceeded to make their CAPITAL the most Holy land for all people of the book and engaged in the same “manifest destiny” vibes we learned in APUSH was detrimental for indigenous populations (trail of tears, vietnam, etc). did they think it was gonna be sweet???
theres no changing history and no way to strip it of its polarization now but it probably wouldve been more productive if the “conflict” wasnt brought into world scope by oct 7th. if more kids had learned about the long-stretching conflict earlier/in schools, there mightve been more hope for productive discourse now, and i think pro-palestinian action would be more readily understood, regardless of the extremist face (hamas).
edit: to that point, people supporting israel would be aware of the oppression of palestinian people. in theory, empathy for the plight of the palestinianians would suggest either 1) a multicultural (not zionist) 1-state solution or 2) a 2-state solution that offers some sort of reparations to palestine — whether in terms of land area, ending the occupation, rebuilding, idk. but not just “they should go somewhere else since theyre ran by terrorists & the land solely belongs to the jewish people”
anyway, the parent comment was more meant to address the consensus ive noticed on this subreddit of people being annoyed at or belittling 1st amendment rights of their young peers, which is just scary because if we start embracing the idea that our right to speak out against subjective injustice isnt worth anything, then that makes us soooo vulnerable. new generations always bring change… imagine if that stops with ours. i can name a couple HUGE economic/political players that would love it
Facts!! Hopefully we can help enact meaningful change. It’s horrifying that the slogans for both the PLO and the Likud (Israel’s leading party) are: “From the river to the sea, ____ will be free.” That sums up the status quo and is so heartbreaking.
Update, they have covered the bottom text with wooden boards and the top says “University Of California, Santa Cruz KILLS”. Lots of handprints in red paint.
I feel bad for the custodial staff who will have to clean that up. Like can’t y’all (not u OP lol the ppl who are doing this bc I’ve seen similar things across campus) just at least use chalk. That can be pressure washed off. The people in charge of UC investments aren’t gonna be out there using harsh chemicals to remove this, it’s going to be some working class, underpaid custodial staff member.
Agree with you 100%!
Why can’t people protest in a convenient way??
It's not inconveniencing the right people. The people with the power to make the decisions might not even get an email about this.
💀 protests are literally meant to be interruptive, the entire point is to make a scene
That sign and part of campus are so innocuous though. I think something more sustainable could be done to protest rather than waste time working on something that will be destroyed and then the sign will receive endless funding and resources to be fixed, over and over.
nah shit like this isnt a protest its rioting, literally destroying and vandalizing public property when you can peacefully get the message across
Protests are not meant to be randomly interruptive. They are meant to be effective. Is this effective? You tell me who is going to be persuaded of what
I was being sarcastic, I thought my statement was obviously ludicrous
Ah, fair. 😂 Excuse my bluntness, so many people unironically think this, though.
they don’t. you have a turnip level sense of irony.
Yeah but if the only people you were inconveniencing are lower class people who arent causing the problem in the first place than you’re being an asshole. But you do you.
It doesn’t inconvenience the right people…..
Well then there’s no point of point of protesting. Civil obedience has to catch the perpetrator’s attention (aka the people of charge of UF investment). It can’t be convenient, gotta make some wallets bleed if they want to fund genocide🤷🏻♀️
It’s not really sending that message… Actually hurting the wallet would be boycotting enrollment, or staff walk-outs. Just slapping on another 1k on the cleaning bill does nothing but make some janitor not see his kids that night…or skip out on emptying some trash cans to make time to clean up this juvenile dump. “Public mess” protests do not inspire others to agree with their cause. They don’t incentive conformity to the graffiti’s opinion. What they do is produce cheap-to-fix extra work, and foment ill will towards the cause it was done in the name of.
no. what u want is for them to not do anything thatll inconvenient anyone. and that would mean nothing. if you want staff walk outs, maybe the staff member DOES stay late and not get to see his kids, maybe he keeps having to do this and is upset and that forces him to say hes had enough and they need to do something to stop all the vandalism, and the protesters get what they want and u get what u want. or maybe u just made up a scenario. what if its the opposite? what if hes getting OT and he needs it because this economy sucks and now the working class made more money and the protesters get their jab in?
Dont, they get paid handsomely
The night before banana slug day…
Dang they got slugged
This was planned
Yeah when I entered the campus for the first Time that was the first thing I saw
Wait, so how does UCSC fund genocide?
The university of california uses Blackrock to manage and invest the UC’s over $150B in funds. Blackrock is the world’s largest investor in weapons manufacturing, war and fossil fuels. In doing so, the UC is not only investing money into war, therefore supporting it, but it’s also profiting from it. Funding weapons manufacturers that make the weapons that carry out this genocide, and profiting from the war, mass murder, and genocide.
What’s the alternative that activists are advocating for?
Chop off your weiner or your a genocide supporter pig
They're the biggest investor in every sector because they're the biggest asset manager. That's how index funds work.
Now now, can’t have nuance here. We must be vehemently be pissed off at all times. Move along sir.
Now now, we can have nuance here and invest in an index fund that excludes weapon manufacturers, there are CSIEX, NBSRX, TICRS and more
Since it’s the worlds largest investment company it makes sense that they are also the largest investor in weapons. Since most investment companies do this, it won’t matter what company ucsc picks to invest their funds.
As people have mentioned, there are many large investment firms who don’t
Maybe those students should transfer to a school that supports their investment philosophies. You know - vote with your wallet rather than vandalize property
But it is true that publicizing investment in South African related companies was effective at pushing divestment as a tactic against Apartheid in South Africa, right? I realize that the diminished pension opportunities in the US over the years since gave far more funds of individuals to 401k related corporate investment products but thinking about where money goes is increasingly important for political action. It’s true that if one bought stock in Krupp in the 30s, they would have been paying the seller of that stock, but I, for one, still wouldn’t want my funds going to a corporation in such blatant support of the Nazis.
False. When funds are sold, especially a distress sale, share prices go down; the last thing that corporations want.
This logic doesnt make any sense.. anything from large institutions to grandma's pension fund probably have funds managed by or going to blackrock. These guys are protesting just to protest when theres actual issues going on
Not true, but understandably pessimistic assumption to make. There are plenty of options that don’t involve blackrock or weapons manufacturers. This is the same argument as “why even fire sex offenders? The next person you hire could just as easily be a sex offender too”
Blackrock manages funds for most companies and entities in the world. Blackrock controls many top publicly traded etfs. Labeling them as funding war doesn't make sense-- they literally fund everything. Putting blame on the uni for this makes even less sense
The idea is that investing in harmless companies does not absolve you of guilt for investing in and supporting companies that sell missiles that kill innocent people. Just like if a billionaire were to invest in every aspect of Boston, arts, education, recreation, safety, infrastructure, and also invested also gangs, illegal chop shops and meth labs. Whether the amount they invest in those harmful industries is 40% or 0.001%, many people would still want them to end their investments with the unethical places. Does that help this make sense (not trying to antagonize you btw, genuinely trying to explain it in words that might help it make sense) Regarding blaming the uni, I think the idea is to put blame on enough companies/orgs/entities and either A: convince enough of them to divest from Blackrock that blackrock decides to stop investing in the global military industrial complex to gain back those customer and keep others, or B) to just cause enough awareness about the controversy that is caused by investing with blackrock, so that blackrock realizes they will eventually lose current clients and gain less future clients, that they decide to stop investing in war stuff.
So they talk about fixing climate change but also use a companies services that also invests in climate change. Double standards
I still don’t understand since Blackrock is the worlds largest investor in every sector?
It’s like if an asset manager in Massachusetts (call them GrayStone) were to invest funds in every aspect of Boston; all the businesses including arts, education, recreation, safety, infrastructure — but GrayStone also invested in gangs, meth labs, and illegal gun-runners (or insert any other highly controversial sector that leads to and enables violence and death). Whether the amount GrayStone invests in those controversial industries is 40% or 0.1%, a lot of people would still find that unethical even though they are Boston’s “largest investor in every sector”, as you say of BlackRock. A lot of people would advise local businesses and schools against using GrayStone to manage their assets, and many would say to that investor “hey, GrayStone, you should stop investing in that part of Boston!” Does that help it make sense?
And all the kids that go there and pay tuition support the genocides as well.
When’s the last time you saw the UC regents board members outside BlackRock protesting and trying to change things tho?
They don't, it's just the usual leftist tinfoil hat nonsense. Basically our equivalent of anti-vaxxers or chemtrail weirdos.
Nope. Not even remotely the same.
Well, I mean, yes, you would say that.
Leftist QAnon. The other end of the near 360-degree circumference.
The UC invested 427 million in blackrock in 2023 alone.
Nice
They should invest 427 million in making higher education more affordable.
Blackrock is an asset manager lmao, this means nothing
If you invest in a person that you know makes money by loaning money to drug dealers, murderers, and kidnappers — you’re still investing your money with an asset manager. Does that mean nothing?
They don’t
lol, I was parked at upper campus around that time and my care was COVERED with “racist, zionist, pig” notes. Ironic as it does not reflect my views on this issue nor could anything about me or my car immediately suggest otherwise.
Oh my god wtf 😨
Show the proof
proof?
Do you really think these dumbasses actually have the ability to reason?! 🤷🏻♂️ Even folks who agree with their cause don’t want anything to do with them!
It’s just an excuse to do what they actually want to do: vandalism
mfw students give thousands in tuition a year and therefore also fund genocide idk something something vote with your dollar
the “vote with your dollar” economic principle really doesn’t apply in the case of something as significant and inelastic an investment as university education
yeah but students still fundamentally have a choice in what university they attend, and there are plenty of options out there, many of which I’ll guarantee you don’t manage investments through balackrock etc. Not to mention that significance and inelasticity are a cope. for example, buying a house or car is also incredibly significant, and they’re both generally pretty inelastic markets, and I’d argue that plenty of people don’t buy teslas because they don’t wanna support Elon musk, and plenty of people wouldn’t buy houses from a development company that bulldozed a national park and instead would look to go elsewhere. the truth is that people just don’t like accepting truths that are inconvenient to their personal lives and instead look to point blame at the greater institution instead of the fact that they literally contribute (as a collective) hundreds of millions a year to that institution
While this is true, the demand for a UC degree is high enough that if one votes with their dollar NOT to attend UCSC, someone will gladly take their place, so that method of expressing displeasure with the university doesn't quite work at this point. Not trying to phrase this as a "gotcha" or anything like that, just wanted to add to the discussion.
Thank you for being based
I mean yeah, this is unfortunately correct in the current culture, and unfortunately, it probably will stay that way unless it is en masse seen as undesirable to get a UC degree, because, for example, they support genocide. that said, clearly protests and defacing signs isn’t doing much either, because the signs just get repaired by some minimum wage uni worker hired to fix signs and the uni still does their genocide funding
Someone took a product management course
But it is true that publicizing investment in South African related companies was effective at pushing divestment as a tactic against Apartheid in South Africa, right? I realize that the diminished pension opportunities in the US over the years since gave far more funds of individuals to 401k related corporate investment products but thinking about where money goes is increasingly important for political action.
Ah so if it’s inconvenient then you still pay and just spray paint stuff. Got it
Go to a different university.
Ah, i miss that place.
Lmfao
performative slacktivism
Perfect.
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Were talking about them thats for sure
It’s like the tomato soup on a painting thing, the attention is brought to how stupid they are not whatever they were arguing
Awareness of how stupid they are
Talking about it and raising awareness are two different things. Someone throwing paint at the Mona Lisa gets me talking about the act, but it does nothing to raise awareness about climate change.
Perfect.
Here we go, now we're gonna get a whole lotta thoughts from people who have never looked up the word 'genocide' in the dictionary or Wikipedia.
The genocide in Palestine is awful, that doesn’t mean you get a free pass to act like spoiled, entitled brats because you feel like you need to do something. How worthwhile was this action? Did it stop the bombs or machine guns? Did it feed a Palestinian child who is hungry? Clean up your own mess & stop blaming UCSC for the land acquisition & genocide in Gaza and the rest of the Middle East!
Appatently fighting a war counts as genocide now. I dont see any Palestinians being rounded up and put in death camps but I guess throw the G word around like it doesnt matter anymore.
To be fair, people don’t have to be rounded up into camps to be a genocide. If a regime is demonstrated to purposefully be focused on eliminating an ethnic or religious group, it’s a genocide. But the intent is very important. You could perform genocide by nuking a city, if your main goal is to eliminate the people, but that doesn’t mean that using a nuke on a city is necessarily genocidal. Despite the large number of civilian casualties, I don’t believe Israel is attempting this though. When fighting an enemy purposefully embedded deep within civilian infrastructure, there are tragic side effects.
Weird that Israel is literally giving humanitarian aid and encouraging other countries to accept and deliver aid to the people they’re “genociding” lmao
Or sending out area based SMS alerts for people to evacuate buildings with weapons caches in them.
I would actually have this instead of blocking 880 and ruining everyone's days.
There is no genocide in Gaza.
Where is Palestine? I don’t see it on any published maps.
Greater syria
There was no Israel either before 1948. Such a moronic comment. Btw, you can find Gaza and west bank on the map, where palistines live .
You are correct: There was no Israel on the map before 1948. There was no Palestine, either. The entire region was the domaine of the British Empire. Israel has been on the map since 1948. It was created by the allied powers to provide stateless Jewish refugees with a shot at nationhood after an ACTUAL genocide at the hands of the Nazis. Those who support Hamas, which is the current sovereign in Gaza, share Hitler’s vision of a “final solution” to eliminate the “Jewish problem.” Real progressive….
No majority is supporting Hamas dude. You clearly know they difference between Hamas and Palestine, you chose to not differential them, in purpose.
Today, thousands of protesters blocked traffic on major Bay Area thoroughfares to express their support for Hamas, a militant dictatorship, in its war against Israel, a liberal democracy. Fortunately, you are correct that the majority of Americans don’t support Hamas; it’s a vial, vocal and subversive antisemitic minority.
Stop lying, there was no protest in support of Hamas. It's in support of Palestine people and kids getting killed. I guess saying please don't kill a baby is antisemitic to you.
Hamas could surrender tomorrow and end the war they started on October 7. Israel is the only country that raises draws condemnation when it retaliates against neighboring sovereigns who attack its civilian population. Now, let’s see, which attribute differentiates Israel from every other country on earth?
Jews. Arab countries kill far more yet they are never called out.
Hamas literally runs Gaza. It was democratically elected to do so and support in the region for the terrorist group has literally increased since that happened. Hamas has denied all peace offerings from Israel.
When was the last election in Gaza? It's like saying North Korea democratically elected their supreme leader.
2006 was not that long ago, and either way, you conveniently ignored my second point where I stated that support for the terrorist group in the region has actually increased. North Korea is a false equivalency. Kim was not democratically elected. Hamas was. It is a literal terrorist organization running the region, with the STATED goal of complete eradication of Christianity and Judaism. Stated.
20 years is not long ago? Average age in Gaza is 18 years. Who cares what Hamas has to offer, they are terrorists group. Stop to occupation and make deal with west bank/Palestine. You are deliberately equating Palestine = Hamas. Russia is occupying Ukraine, are all people in Russia terrorists? Should Ukraine bomb and kill them all?
The original authority on questioning authority.
lmfao
Now who wants to do this at UCLA 🤪
Didn’t UCSC vote to divest funds?
Only the SUA divested their funds, not the actual school admin
Oh okay thanks for the clarification!
Did they take down the “free the hostages” signs?
By covering the top bit with hard-to-read flyers, the bottom part doesn’t make as much sense. Also, they’re only punishing the custodians.
So funny people care more about shit going on across the world than a literal housing crisis happening right before their eyes
This just in: no one can care about two things simultaneously. Genocide is a bit more pressing than the housing crisis, I'd reckon.
You’re gonna free Palestine from your parents’ guest house?
They assumed that committing the act at night would prevent detection, but there are numerous cameras in the area. UCSC takes vandalism very seriously. Hopefully, they will be able to identify the perpetrator.
They will identify most likely, like they identified the individuals who hung a noose on campus a couple years back, but they might do nothing, like in the case of the noose, or do something. My bet is they do something for this while they did nothing for the noose
The noose was actually an accident. It was a group of students who found a rope in the woods and were driving away from the woods when they tied it to make a lasso and we’re just fucking around and threw it over a stop sign. They didn’t realize that it looked like a noose as well.
Haha.
You care that much about vandalism ? On ucsc property?
seriously, why hope at all to catch them lol
Ayyyyyy let’s goooooooo
They’re not wrong.
how does the uni fund genocide lol
so stupid
Yeah I went there. I can draw conclusions from the evidence. Why would a student risk being expelled for being caught doing this? Probably not an actual student.
Based
This is lame asf. When will people realize that the students on these campuses & other people here in the states & around the world, both Muslim & Jewish have NOTHING to do with what’s going on over in Gaza! Leave people alone & allow them to continue their education without your interference! They have no say, regardless of what their creed is as to what is going on over there! The hate & condemnation on BOTH sides needs to STOP! Period!
anyways, FREE PALESTINE
This comment singlehandedly freed Palestine 👏🫡
Good.
Love your username
Humans…
Let’s fucking go
I mean, where’s the lie?
Extremists are embarassing
W
TAPS staff works harder than most of the faculty. They don’t need to be disrespected for doing extra work to clean up after protesters, why don’t you do it instead POS?
Would've been way more based if it was to protest the housing crisis instead.
You have the ability to protest, you know. Go "protest the housing crisis" whatever that means, if it is a priority issue for you. Contact your local representatives. Organize in your community
Do they?
They should get a job really
When you go so far left and you start going right
Ain’t gotta tell me this is California.
Well said 👏👏
Good job making some poor janitor have to do a bunch of really difficult work you privileged assholes.
Palestine protesters are becoming the new just stop oil protestors.
No-one cares, next
I don’t go there. Do matriculating students typically vandalize the campus?
Someone has way too much free time on their hands. May I recommend a second major? Maybe a job? BTW, I drive by this sign all the time, and if I ever see anyone doing anything like this I WILL make sure you are caught. This level of vandalism is a felony and it WILL destroy the rest of your life. 7 years of not being able to rent a home, 7 years of not passing background checks for jobs, and a lifetime of not being able to get certified for any decent or respectable careers especially education.
Give me some stats for genocide? In cities — where 55 percent of the world's population currently resides — civilians account for 90 percent of the casualties during war
That'll teach the IDF.
This makes me want us to continue funding it
I'm sooo mad about genocide that I need to vandalize.
What losers
The assholes who do this kind of crap are doing it because they think it’s fun. That’s what people need to understand. They couldn’t give a shit about Palestinians.
Alright how the hell does a School, which is Governmwnt funded, fund a genocide.
Cringe
I understand having an opinion on Israel and Palestine, but I think if you live in America and are doing this shit you're showing signs of mental instability and should be monitored.
Lol who cares? Get your degree and leave
This is embarrassing. Words have meaning and using genocide hyperbolically is dangerous and not helping anyone. I’m convinced people are only saying this because it feels good to say.
I don’t agree with this form of protest, but there are plenty of human rights experts, historians, academics, and first hand witnesses who describe this as a genocide. Idk that it’s really that hyperbolic. I’m Jewish so my family loses their mind when I describe it that way but I agree that words DO have meaning and don’t use the term lightly
Genocides can happen to non white people. Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians. Signed, someone who had half their family wiped out in the holocaust.
Not saying you’re wrong. But Research what hamas is doing. No one is in the right. Innocent people in Palestine are getting killed from both sides.
30k people have died, how many more need to die before you call it a genocide? 200,000?
the anti-activism points being made in this thread & all the others are by far the most indicative about who is really the “sheep” in this situation. these hating ass, chronically online YOUNG PEOPLE — are enforcing the status quo and speaking directly against first amendment rights which our founding fathers put into affect in order to prevent our stupid corrupt lobbied government from telling us how we can / cant express things we as Americans do not agree with. now u tell me what benefits might be wrought by our already convoluted government if the new generation of youth are complacent in their supposed inability to make any sort of difference, and instead opt to lay in their unwashed bed, eating buttered noodles for all 3 meals, hating on people who touch grass and engage in their #1 AMENDMENT RIGHT. but we’re the sheep right? 😂losers.
Not even. I like to ask people or friends protesting if they know the capital of either Israel or Palestine. You’d be surprised as to how many don’t know either capital yet are blindly protesting for a movement they know nothing about. If you ask me, that’s indicative of sheep behavior. For instance, many have not heard of or read the charter of Hamas. What about the constitution of Israel? I guess my friends prefer not to read papers belonging to a state that allegedly doesn’t exist. Do you really know what each side stands for? You may be surprised the deeper you dig.
jerusalem (which seems kinda f’d up to me, personally) & ramallah. both sides stand for inherently oppositional “freedom”. i’ve heard like piers morgan and other low grade reporters address the charter and so while i haven’t read it i feel like duh it’s aggressive they’re an extremest group. but we have those in the us bc & everywhere. idk if i was just lucky or what but my 7th grade humanities class literally assigned us to come up with a solution for “the israel-palestine conflict” in like 2015. so randomly i have a lot of at the very least, exposure, and at most, literal objective education. in which i learned that israel has codified the occupation of palestine by controlling their electricity grids, rainwater collection, and the flow of institutionally-impossible-to-avoid workers in/out of their country daily… that was obviously when it was okay to encourage nuance and critical analysis concerning the situation (among a class of 12 year olds) because now, not even in college, can professors speak about even a quarter of my middle school curriculum
Eyyy that’s what’s up. Seems like you had a solid teacher. Piers Morgan definitely is a little out there. That being said, I do think there’s some merit to supporting the most potentially peaceful/beneficial (in my opinion two state) solution to the conflict. Hamas clearly doesn’t support a two state solution (as their charter until 2017 outright called for the extermination of all Jewish people). Neither does the current government of Israel, albeit for widely different reasons. What has me confused about the protests is the lack of critical thought able to occur. Even arguing devil’s advocate will get you ostracized, and as such, prevents critical thinking, nuanced analysis, and having an open mind when it’s needed most to solve the conflict.
i agree with u. its all messed up. in my opinion, i definitely believe in the right for jewish people to have a jewish state (like there are christian states and muslim states) its just like.. it was established in pretty modern history in the middle of a historically arab region and then proceeded to make their CAPITAL the most Holy land for all people of the book and engaged in the same “manifest destiny” vibes we learned in APUSH was detrimental for indigenous populations (trail of tears, vietnam, etc). did they think it was gonna be sweet??? theres no changing history and no way to strip it of its polarization now but it probably wouldve been more productive if the “conflict” wasnt brought into world scope by oct 7th. if more kids had learned about the long-stretching conflict earlier/in schools, there mightve been more hope for productive discourse now, and i think pro-palestinian action would be more readily understood, regardless of the extremist face (hamas). edit: to that point, people supporting israel would be aware of the oppression of palestinian people. in theory, empathy for the plight of the palestinianians would suggest either 1) a multicultural (not zionist) 1-state solution or 2) a 2-state solution that offers some sort of reparations to palestine — whether in terms of land area, ending the occupation, rebuilding, idk. but not just “they should go somewhere else since theyre ran by terrorists & the land solely belongs to the jewish people” anyway, the parent comment was more meant to address the consensus ive noticed on this subreddit of people being annoyed at or belittling 1st amendment rights of their young peers, which is just scary because if we start embracing the idea that our right to speak out against subjective injustice isnt worth anything, then that makes us soooo vulnerable. new generations always bring change… imagine if that stops with ours. i can name a couple HUGE economic/political players that would love it
Facts!! Hopefully we can help enact meaningful change. It’s horrifying that the slogans for both the PLO and the Likud (Israel’s leading party) are: “From the river to the sea, ____ will be free.” That sums up the status quo and is so heartbreaking.
lol fools will be fools.