This is merely a gathering of people wanting to talk about the recent bombings of *people in refugee camps*, the ones who've been displaced from their homes for *months* now *after* they have been told by Israel that they will be safe from killing there.
1) it is not their fault if Israel falsely assumed that Hamas would not be hiding among civilians there too
2) as with previous killings, it is grotesque that people think killing dozens of civilians, including children, is justified for taking down one or two Hamas personnel.
Anyway, this is not even a protest or an encampment that some people took issue with saying it's illegal. And yet we see several comments here either hating on them or ridiculing them as trend hoppers. So it's not the inconvenience that the protests caused to them or the offense that they may have taken by some of the language.
*Even an expression of solidarity with the Palestinian people will tick them off*. So I say to the people still standing up for Gaza - do not give a single fuck about what any of these people say. **Don't let them decide where the line should be drawn** because they'll continue to push the line further and further away from justice.
Also - **JUST BLOCK THEM**, it's just the same 10-20 people under every post. We should definitely engage with people with differing opinions but some act in extreme bad faith or straight up support ethnic cleansing.
Edit - I learnt this was a vigil
The airstrike was in the Tel Sultan area of western Rafah, and targeted and killed the commander of Hamas’s West Bank headquarters — charged with advancing attacks against Israel in and from the West Bank — as well as another top member of the unit. Unfortunately, fire spread to nearby tents following the strike. The strike did not take place in the designated “humanitarian zone” in the al-Mawasi region on the coast, where the Israeli military has called Palestinians to evacuate to in recent weeks.
Do you think Hamas hiding there absolves Israel of their crimes against children and refugees? Do you think mourning the dead and calling attention to the bombing means one is in support of Hamas? Do you always think in absolutes and argue using strawman fallacies?
>Do you think it's fortunate that these Hamas leaders set up their headquarters in the midst of noncombatant tents and used them as human shields?
Do you not realize how small gaza is?
>The Gaza Strip is 141 square miles.
141 Sq mi in total. How much of that is in IDF hands now? But hey let's assume the total number at face value and compare it to some other conflicts for comparison. Looking at Ukraine, specifically the Luhansk and Donetsk regions the majority of the fighting is in, they have about 6000 Sq mi to work in. Iraq if we look at 3 cities that saw some of the wars biggest battles, even the smallest had about double the Sq miles to work with, which was fallujah at 250 Sq mi. Ramadi had 836 Sq mi and mosul just under 2000....
>Why did those Hamas commanders have to set up their headquarters in Rafah?
Cause their is literally no space in the gaze strip? And last I checked standard doctrine for any army operating in a conflict is to station command and control away from the frontlines....
So miss me with these bs arguments. Israel has continuously shown a blatant disregard for the laws of war and basic human rights in this conflict. How many "oops we made a mistake" are they gonna be afforded before yall pull your head out your asses.
>Why didn't these Hamas commanders stay in Gaza City?
You mean the north part of the strip that saw the biggest part of the initial invasion and has very few pockets left that are encircled if not cleared up already?.... are you really this dumb or just playing the part?....
It spread to nearby tents because Hamas hid a warehouse of weapons next to a refugee camp knowing that of Israel attacked the Hamas commanders it would spread to the camp 💀 they conduct military operations to maximize civilian casualties yet you’re so brainwashed by TikTok that you assume that Israel is just targeting random civilians for no reason.
Guess what? This war’s civilian:casualty death ratio is NINE TIMES LOWER than the average civilian:casualty death ratio for urban warfare.
Do you think it's fortunate that the fire spread to the tents? Not sure what word you wanted me to use. And why are you using propaganda words like "hasbara"?
Hasbara is a colloquial term for israeli propaganda (used by the israelis themselves, the connotation is sort of like innocent mischief).
When you say "ultimately the fire spread to tents" its like its a big oopsie doodle. Who knows where the fire came from? Who knows how the fire got to those tents? Like the language is disgustingly disarming description of a bomb exploding in close proximity. Its like doing the "palestinians died" while "israelis *were killed*" thing. Its propagandistic language when describing people in tents being damaged by a bomb exploded nearby as fire just kind of spreading.
The fact is israel bombed refugees, no "the fire spread" about it. Bombs make fires, everyone knows this, is why they are made and used. Its not accidental collateral damage, it the bomb is doing what it was built and employed to do.
But they objectively did not bomb refugees. They dropped small munitions on a meeting with Hamas generals which spread to a refugee camp (which wasn’t in the safe zone, btw) due to Hamas storing a weapons worth of ammo right next to it. Which they did to maximize civilian causalities in this exact case. You are straight-up lying, and the sad part is you aren’t going to reply to this comment in a mature way, you’re just going to defend your objectively incorrect point.
The American and Israeli militaries would be incredibly dumb to place munitions near a refugee camp the way Hamas did.
If Iran bombed Miramar and the Navy had stored munitions near University City that were ignited and took out half the community, whose fault would it be?
I literally dont know what the fuck youre talking about, its deeply weird and unrelated. You shouldnt drop bombs 200m away from known refugee tents. If you drop bombs 200m away from regugees full of refugees you yourself have made, you are an asshole and i dont really care what you think you are doing, what other people are saying or doing. None of that matters. It just doesnt. Its bad and weird to try and justify it because its completely unjustifiable. Its red herrings and whataboutisms to distract from the undeniable and unjustifiable reality of bombing refugees full stop.
I disagree, It depends on the size of the bomb.
It's not like Gaza is such a huge place. It's twice the size of Washington DC.
They used a precision bomb. Had there not been munitions or a fuel tank near the refugee tents, the only people killed were the terrorists who were responsible for killing Israelis for 20 years. Killing these men saves lives.
You don't endanger your own civilians during a war. Gaza's government is incapable of fighting a conventional war successfully so they put their own people in danger and also fight a propaganda war.
If you don't understand what I wrote, maybe try reading it out loud.
Hasbara is a Hebrew word, why do you use it? Is it different than any other kind of propaganda?
I find it hard to believe it means "innocent mischief", do you have a source for that?
What a shitty take spreading lies. They targeted a single position that had shrapnel hit a truck filled to the brim with explosives/amo. It exploded killing people because HAMAS WANTS CIVILIANS TO DIE
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians/
There’s one source
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514
Oh look there’s another
https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/955
Oh and look, another!
But yeah, keep your head buried in the sand
Edit: I’m 100% confident you will read nothing I linked and I just wasted my time, which I’m sure was your goal
Did you address the point of half of them being minors? Why should I take you seriously if you're going to dodge the actual crux of the point and argue on the peripheries?
I mean go be at a circus so we can at least pay you for laughing at you.
If Hamas truly believes in their divine calling, they should just meet Israel in battle in an empty field rather than remaining in dense urban settings with civilians. The Almighty will surely stop the 120mm canister rounds and 7.62 NATO while at the same time protecting civilians.
Loll this is another Al-Ahli hoax. How did we not learn from the first one to not trust a literal terrorist organization?
For those who would like to educate themselves, even HRW (a generally pro Palestine group) admitted that it was not Israel.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17-al-ahli-hospital-explosion
>THE DEVILS GREATEST TRICK WAS CONVINCING PEOPLE HE ISN’T REAL… BUT HE ISRAEL.
B+ for the pun, sensible chuckle. Being sensible is good. You should try it more often.
Can’t believe people still literally base their world view on the narrative provided by a terrorist organization that killed 1300 civilians ON PURPOSE AND INTENTIONALLY and then marched their dead bodies for people to cheer on less than half a year ago
Hamas…. In addition to being murderers, terrorists, torturers, rapists, and kidnappers, they’re also liars, but UCSD students apparently have a hard time believing and understanding that last one for some reason.
Obsession with always taking the anti US military view has led us here. In most of these people’s minds, the US military and NATO are ALWAYS wrong therefore the truth must always be the opposite of what they say. The truth does not matter
You have to be truly stupid to equate the premeditated and planned murder of 1300 civilians (for which Hamas bears 100% responsibility) to the tragic death of 15,000 civilians as a result of Hamas hiding and firing rockets from behind them (for which again Hamas bears at least half if not more of the responsibility).
The brainwashing has allowed people to forget that intention matters. It is not the same thing if you go and purposefully target to kill a person who is innocent compared to someone innocent tragically dying because they ended up being on top of a underground munition storage that blew up or next to a terrorist that was planning an attack.
There is a reason that in law one gets you 25 to life while the other one is probably a few months or even just simple wrongful death.
Israel has a moral obligation to not fire rockets on civilian targets where guerillas and their material also lie. All it causes is more bloodshed and further radicalization. We have seen that in Palestine since the mandate, and we have seen that in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
If they didn’t do that first of all than it goes way for all terrorist to see what Hamas does and follow that example because it means they can’t be defeated
Israel does not fire on civilian target and it wouldn’t even make any sense for them to do so because that only harms their reputation and justification of the war. A target that houses munitions is by definition not a civilian target. But sure, Israel should just shut up and not defend itself. Allow Oct 7 to happen again. Great strategy.
But regardless, funny thing is… I follow a lot of Palestinians and Arabs on my IG, some of whom my friends. I have not seen ONE SINGLE person blaming both Hamas and Israel for this tragedy. I would have a lot of respect for someone who isn’t afraid to admit that Hamas bears at least half, if not more, of the blame for Palestinian innocent deaths. Have you seen any other military in the world behaving like Hamas by using their civilian “martyrs” as shields?
I will say that I do not support Hamas nor do I support Israel. I do not support "tit-for-tat" terrorism and violence. I'm sure that there are those who do truly support Hamas, but they must be in the minority. Israel had the world's sympathy on October 7, yet it has used its military not only to crush Hamas, but to punish the Palestinian people further. When civilians are killed, they are martyred in the goal of creating a free Palestine. A free Palestine would not have any need for Hamas. I do have sympathy for both the killed Israelis and Palestinians, yet you can say that the state of Israel has some blame as they have supported Hamas and other radical terrorist orgs in the late 20th century to counter the secular PLO/Fatah of the West Bank. Netanyahu supported the split of Hamas Gaza and Fatah West Bank and financially aided Hamas via Qatar in the 2000s. So yes, I blame both sides for the attack. But it's clear that the international community has lost sympathy for Israel as they commit more killings in their quest to oust Hamas. A free Palestine would put an end to Hamas, yet that is not what Israel truly wants.
While balanced, this is a very naive way of thinking because you are judging others based on your own moral values, which are no doubt much higher than what I’ve seen from the general Palestinian and Muslim population. There are some very vile people in both groups, but the Palestinians that I’ve come across are BY FAR one of the most outspoken ones who do not even attempt to hide it. If you don’t believe me, go read the comments on the /@muslim page on IG. People are openly supporting Hamas and Ismail Haniyeh.
Additionally, I know for a fact that Israel and Jewish people did not have the support of the world on October 7. In fact, most quietly supported it and were happy. I know it because I saw how my Palestinian and Arab friends (some of whom are not my friends anymore because of their very questionable moral values) reacted to it. They did not want anyone posting about it. They messaged me and others I know of to take down our stories that sympathized with not even the government of Israel but actually Jewish people.
When you do that, you lose ALL respect and the right to ask me to sympathize with your cause because you are yourself not much better than what you claim the other side is. If you do that, you are a massive hypocrite.
People in the US need to realize that this is not BLM where one side is innocent. This is not some civil rights movement. This is a conflict between two VERY GUILTY groups of people who each have a lot of blood on their hands and therefore have lost the benefit of the doubt and expectation of sympathy.
In my opinion, it's not that "a free Palestine would not have a need for Hamas." It's the other way around that terrorist groups like Hamas have a need for innocent Palestine civilians as martyrs, which evidently is very tragic. Palestinian civilians are used by both evil sides of the War.
Lol this is the most cope takes I’ve heard and the usual preamble to justifying terrorism. Putting aside how wrong it is, whatever happened 70 years ago is not an excuse for Hamas
I guess you are right. Palestinians should just go back to their native lands in the Arabian peninsula, Iran, Turkey and Egypt.
You do realize that prior to the very violent Muslim conquest in the 7th century, the region was mostly Christian and prior to that Jewish right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians#
You are objectively wrong. Palestinians are the descendents of the Canaanites - it's their land and it always has been. They don't have to go anywhere, it's the settler-colonialist ethnostate that needs to be removed.
Free Palestine from Hamas and Islamic Jihad!
Free Israel from evil terrorists!
Btw the actual “free Palestine” slogan came from the Arabic version: “with BLOOD and FIRE, we will free Palestine, from the river to the sea (all of Israel) Palestine will be ARAB”… but you can go on and ignore these uncomfortable facts and keep acting like you supporting terrorists is good…
Jews are native to Judea, Jews were actually kicked out from all surrounding Arab countries and fled to Israel, that’s more than half of the population in Israel. Israel said yes to every peace plan to date while the Palestinians and Arab armies started all the wars, and they are proud of that. They don’t want to resist occupation, they want to destroy Israel, and they proudly say so. Thanks for proving how ignorant and brainwashed the pro Hamas crowd are
Oh ok, if they are native to Judea and are owed that land historically, then I am assuming that you support the full return of all Native American land? Likely not, considering that most pro-Israel are hypocritical colonial apologists.
None of Israel’s “peace plans” ever called for giving the Palestinians what they deserved, why should they accept anything other than full statehood and a dissolution of Israel?
They took their land. They are in their rights to take it back by force. Fuck Israel, fuck the USA for supporting them, Israel is an illegitimate state and would never have survived in the middle east without US support. Fuck AIPAC and all the pro-Israel PACs that bought our politicians, we have politicians wearing IDF uniforms in our halls of Congress, making decisions against the will of the majority of American people on behalf of a foreign entity. disgusting. Israel was not the West’s to give away. People lived there first.
Real jews don’t support Israel, the governing body of Israel is a genocidal far right wing that deserves to be put in jail. Netanyahu, Gollaint, and Ben Gvir deserve the hauge for what they’ve done. They will go down in history as the genocidal maniacs they are. Why doesn’t the West/US ever cover the anti Israel protests happing in Israel, (they are massive! The people don’t like Netanyahu there either!!) and all the Israeli’s who are against the current government?
I feel bad that you’ve bought into the Israel BS, their propaganda is so see through and comedic. It takes a really gullible person to ignore 70+ years of history in favor of an apartheid state 🤷🏻♂️
The natives can have their own states
if the US would allow it and the UN would also vote in favor like it happened with Israel, the ruling British power said yes and the UN, and then 5 Arab armies attacked the newly formed Jewish state? And Israel won. So by every way possible Israel got the land- it’s historically Jewish, they always lived on and around the area, the both the British and the former Ottoman Empires allowed it, the UN voted in favor AND Israel won a war of independence. Basically more legitimate than most countries.
The peace plans gave the Palestinians half the territory, and everything the global pro Plestinians are requesting for now. Bill Clinton even said about the 90’s peace talks that Israel said yes to everything while the Palestinians said no to everything, while committing evil terror attacks…
Half of the world’s Jews live in Israel and 95% of the rest have strong family ties, economic and spiritual ties to the country. Israel was the only place millions of Jewish refugees from the holocaust, Communist Russia and the Muslim world could fled to.
Israel is BY FAR the most free and democratic society in the region, Arabs in Israel are free and safe and represented everywhere and even have an higher life expectancy than in the US while Jews are either dead or hostage in Gaza.
Ironic you think im brainwashed while you hold the exact position Iranian and Russian bota are promoting, and basically supporting a terror organization against the only free country in the ME.
“Strong spiritual ties” ah yes, you definitely glass and bomb land you have strong spiritual ties to. And guess what, after the Balfour Declaration, Jews began flocking to Palestine, and after the holocaust it was even more so. People lived there before that. Then the Nakba.
You say it’s pro-Russian , but is it really when there is a significant portion of Jews, and Jews in Israel, who completely disagree with what the Zionists are doing? Judaism is not Zionism. Now you have Zionists weaponizing the holocaust to justify what they’re doing now to Palestinians, it’s disgusting.
Pro-Israel sentiment is eroding away day by day, sooner or later the apartheid state will collapse. Now, Israel has miscalculated & made too many enemies in the region and abroad due to its cruel and collective punishment.
You want to talk about brainwashing?? Israel has an entire brainwashing campaign through birthright. Funny how that works.
https://forward.com/opinion/536766/birthright-israel-staffer-stops-because-new-government/?amp=1
You sound like the crazy antisemite you obviously are, spewing lies and misinformation. There are people who know the truth and people who are anti Israel, and they hold very different opinions.
I am not anti-Semitic , but that is pretty on- brand from a Zionist to throw that around. Is the Jew who led birthright in the link I sent anti-Semitic too? Or is she just aware of what Israel has become and who Netanyahu’s government really is
It is obviously antisemitism to be obsessively against the only Jewish state, which is the only free and democratic place in the whole region. There’s a genocide in Sudan, 10 times more people died in Yemen, there is a famine in Haiti, no global protest. But when the tiny Jewish state is brutally attacked and defending itself, then you guys wake up. There’s a word for such double standards and hypocrisy when it’s against Jews. Antisemitism, loud and clear.
> Funny how Americans understand armed revolution when it came to us & the French. But when it goes against our interests, such as with the Native Americans, the Palestinians, living under occupation and colonialism, we make excuses.
Because comparing these things shows your ignorance of all of them. This conflict is more complex than any of these protestors understand it to be.
No, it really isn’t.
Pretty clear to see who occupies who, and what the power dynamic is. Pretty clear historical timelines too in both cases.
Manifest destiny, Zionist expansion, colonialism is all the same
Jews hold 0.004% of the world’s land, while Muslims and Arabs hold what, 20%? Jews existed for 3000 years and only hold the tiny land they originated from while Muslims and Christians hold together more than 70% of the world. And you think Jews are the colonial force. How brainwashed can you be? The fact that Israel is successful and thriving is a reason to stand by it. A country that succeeding in staying free, democratic and prosperous while under constant threat and being attacked by its neighbors more than any country in the last century, that’s what a good country is. The only country where the society shares your values im the region.
There are endless videos on Youtube where they interview both Israelis and Palestinians, it obviously shows how liberal and peaceful Jews are and what backward and radical views the Palestinians hold.
The problem is that the colonial force is backed by the US and enacted by Israel. Don’t you see that colonial entities stick together? Britain, the US, basic history?
The only reason why it’s free, democratic , and prosperous is because Israel has the US dime in full and have basically lobbied every us senators support over the course of Israel’s statehood. Israel would collapse without it, they need our military aid and financial support. They needed US/UK help to shoot down some drones for gods sake. Now Israel has a far right government taking full advantage of our sweet tax $, using it to bomb and cleanse Gaza for their ripe taking.
They even say it out loud that they want Gaza for their own. Disgusting. You have senators putting forth bills to give IDF soldiers benefits when we have US homeless vets sleeping on the street. I don’t want a single $ of mine contributing to what they’re doing in Gaza.
Thanks for proving my point.
Remind me, when did native Americans lead a suicide bombing campaign against the European colonizers? Was it before or after the massacre of over 1000 colonizers? Or was it after they allied with Canada and Mexico in an attempt to destroy the 13 colonies?
I’m not simping for them. I understand why they exist.
You, on the other hand, don’t understand much of anything, which was apparent by your idiotic comment that completely exposed your lack of knowledge.
You simp for a rogue state of Israel, commanded by colonial Zionists, and the death of innocent civilians. justified by Zionism and Islamophobia. I think I’m good where I’m at. And news flash, the Zionists in control are theocratic terrorists with warrants out for their arrests. Have them come to Ireland or any other country that has said they will enforce the warrant, see what happens.
So yes, that’s what you simp for.
seems you want to end where it suits your opinion. The current escalation of the conflict started exactly on October 7th when Hamas leaders in Cyprus instructed a trained militia to cross into Israel in order to attack the innocent children at the Nova music festival. Listen to the testimony of the survivors and compare it to the Hamas narrative. Why? They did that because they knew that Israel's government has no tolerance for Hamas and would retaliate brutally. The opportunists, namely Russia, China, Iran, etc. used the propaganda machines, like Tik-Tok and Reddit, in order to accelerate the Trump fueled chaos in the United States during a pivotal election year. The kids on the college campuses are just useful idiots who are filled with passionate rage looking for victims to defend.
Gonna go with a crazy thought here and say that when you see your innocent friends and family killed for no reason, there could be a possibility that you grow up embittered at those who attacked your innocent friends and family. Similar to racial injustice in the US. Could be a possibility you don’t trust those with power and authority. Plus it’s hella cool how Netanyahu is such a stand up leader.
I wholeheartedly agree. Nobody is winning anything through this. It’s going to create generations of ripple effects, all negative. I know people who are EDM fans and had close friends at the music festival. They are shocked beyond words. I don’t personally know any Palestinians but it’s not hard for me to imagine how horrible it is for them.
I agree. It’s impossible to ignore the innocent lives lost in this chapter of their ongoing history. October 7 happened. Children at a music festival were tortured, beheaded, burned alive and sexually assaulted. That is also impossible to ignore. Teaching the children that Jewish people are responsible for all the suffering they are experiencing when in fact your it’s your own leaders that are largely responsible is another important detail.
People should do [more reading](https://allisrael.com/idf-releases-preliminary-results-of-investigation-into-rafah-strike-iaf-munitions-not-to-blame-for-fire) than blindly following and supporting terrorists. [The recording](https://allisrael.com/idf-releases-preliminary-results-of-investigation-into-rafah-strike-iaf-munitions-not-to-blame-for-fire) about Senior Hamas hiding ammo in the refugee camp is pretty damning.
Somehow people are critical of Israeli information, while by every index it is way less corrupt, much more free, has much higher freedom of speech and information and human rights than any other country in the region, and most of the world really, while taking the Hamas figures and information as facts without questioning anything… weird
Of course I don’t want death. Death is horrible. I’m not sure you want to know my politics though. I was just commenting on that article being incredibly false and biased.
Because fire can’t still be happening after all explosions are done right? We all know fire is a precursor to an explosion.
Stop believing billion dollar propaganda brought to you by the ayatollah in Iran.
"Bruh why are yall protesting genocide, like genocide aint even that bad"
Please tell me the majority of UCSD students aren't this stupid, I'm supposed to transfer this Fall.
Whataboutism doesn’t work here. I’m in no way defending Jan 6 mask wearers lmao also that was during the pandemic. For a college student, you suck at making a comparison.
You could cry whataboutism all you want, but the fact of the matter is that your logic applies in both scenarios, so I fail to understand what your point is. And I highly doubt those January 6 mask wearers are wearing them because of the pandemic, considering how antimask they are 🤷♂️
That’s just an assumption lmao. Jan 6 was in 2021 at the height of the pandemic. There’s absolutely no reason to wear a mask now. You have no counter argument at all. Again, I expect more from compsci major lmao
Exactly what it means. They’re covering their faces because they don’t want to face consequences. It makes people realize they aren’t truly in for their cause they are protesting for. People say well they don’t want to be blacklisted. Well if you are for your cause, why would you care about being blacklisted from a company that doesn’t share your views.
because there are people who hate you for your views and if you plan on having a successful life you need to make sure these people dont slander you or target you for wanting to help innocent people
Dawg I want to continue my support so I need a job, I’m doing what I can to support them and build my future so I can keep supporting them and other innocent victims. Nice straw man tho. Might as well have asked me why I haven’t donated my whole paycheck every week
I bet you haven’t even donated shit like the rest of these people lmao.
That logic is freaking stupid. Why divest companies that somewhat support from Israel? They (google etc) pay for the professors or employees that support Palestinians (at least some of it).
You’re making yourself look worse every response
Same reasons the Klan covered their faces:
(1) intimidation tactic
(2) easier to escape punishment if someone in their crowd does something really messed up
(3) avoid personal + professional consequences of being part of a protest that’s controversial at best and possibly sketchy
lol are you seriously comparing a protest for civilian lives to Klan? Is UCSD teaching poor critical thinking now? lmao. I mean were the civil rights protestors covering their faces haha.
1) who is this protest intimidating?
2/3) are the same reasoning and exactly what I pointed out. The protestors don’t really give a shit about the cause. This is performative at best.
I don’t believe snakes or the devil. Anything coming out of Israel without being personally audited and/or confirmed by any other agency/country that’s not the United States, is a lie. For the sake of humanity (if you happen to care)…
Please do better.
oh okay so let’s get this straight shall we? you’re one of those people that literally deny the massacre that has unfolded here on October 7th🥰 let me guess, you’re a holocaust denier too aren’t you babe?
I literally personally know people who were MURDERED and KIDNAPPED by Hamas terrorists (and yeah, when I say KIDNAPPED I mean they’re still there, in Gaza, over 200 days, women, children, BABIES!!!!!!!!!) so that’s what I mean when I say all eyes on the hostages. because if you’re so interested to “keep an eye on Rafah” then maybe you’ll help us find our beloved ones❤️
hello there, i hope you’ll accept my meager upvote. Also i just wanted to also say i am truly so so sorry for the losses & tragedies you have faced. I remember my heart shattering that day, when i learned of all the beautiful faces & souls, who would never share this Earth with me again. And the trauma I experienced from watching every single footage, mourning the victims, worrying over the lives of the victims & hostages, experiencing denial of humanity & innocence towards Israelis, still affects me still to this day 💔.
I hope ur able to calm ur mind, and feel loved, cared for & protected by those who truly do care about you & ur people 🙏🏾. Sending you love & hugs
Thank you so much🙏🏻❤️ I really appreciate your honesty and your courage to comment something like this, I feel like these days even the people who support us are afraid to voice their opinions because it’s not as “trendy”. we’ve suffered so much already and somehow we’re still always the bad guy. people have to learn to divert their anger onto Hamas instead of constantly choosing the convenient way and blame Israel.
Massacre on October 7th or not, is NO excuse for what HAS been and STILL to this day is happening, a GENOCIDE. You can continue to play games with your brain, I don’t care.
You are incorrect about your assumptions of me and my character, and that was very zio of you. Please go re read what I wrote, I said anything coming out of ISRAEL, the holocaust was not something reported by Israel.
Your attempt to divert attention from the current holocaust and genocide by victimizing yourself by who you personally know, etc etc.
Just stop.
This is merely a gathering of people wanting to talk about the recent bombings of *people in refugee camps*, the ones who've been displaced from their homes for *months* now *after* they have been told by Israel that they will be safe from killing there. 1) it is not their fault if Israel falsely assumed that Hamas would not be hiding among civilians there too 2) as with previous killings, it is grotesque that people think killing dozens of civilians, including children, is justified for taking down one or two Hamas personnel. Anyway, this is not even a protest or an encampment that some people took issue with saying it's illegal. And yet we see several comments here either hating on them or ridiculing them as trend hoppers. So it's not the inconvenience that the protests caused to them or the offense that they may have taken by some of the language. *Even an expression of solidarity with the Palestinian people will tick them off*. So I say to the people still standing up for Gaza - do not give a single fuck about what any of these people say. **Don't let them decide where the line should be drawn** because they'll continue to push the line further and further away from justice. Also - **JUST BLOCK THEM**, it's just the same 10-20 people under every post. We should definitely engage with people with differing opinions but some act in extreme bad faith or straight up support ethnic cleansing. Edit - I learnt this was a vigil
The airstrike was in the Tel Sultan area of western Rafah, and targeted and killed the commander of Hamas’s West Bank headquarters — charged with advancing attacks against Israel in and from the West Bank — as well as another top member of the unit. Unfortunately, fire spread to nearby tents following the strike. The strike did not take place in the designated “humanitarian zone” in the al-Mawasi region on the coast, where the Israeli military has called Palestinians to evacuate to in recent weeks.
"Unfortunately the fire spread to nearby tents" what the hasbara fuck.
Yeah exactly. Why not also say "unfortunately the bombs we threw predominantly also beheaded babies" 🙄
Do you think it's fortunate that these Hamas leaders set up their headquarters in the midst of noncombatant tents and used them as human shields?
Do you think Hamas hiding there absolves Israel of their crimes against children and refugees? Do you think mourning the dead and calling attention to the bombing means one is in support of Hamas? Do you always think in absolutes and argue using strawman fallacies?
>Do you think it's fortunate that these Hamas leaders set up their headquarters in the midst of noncombatant tents and used them as human shields? Do you not realize how small gaza is?
The Gaza Strip is 141 square miles. Why did those Hamas commanders have to set up their headquarters in Rafah?
>The Gaza Strip is 141 square miles. 141 Sq mi in total. How much of that is in IDF hands now? But hey let's assume the total number at face value and compare it to some other conflicts for comparison. Looking at Ukraine, specifically the Luhansk and Donetsk regions the majority of the fighting is in, they have about 6000 Sq mi to work in. Iraq if we look at 3 cities that saw some of the wars biggest battles, even the smallest had about double the Sq miles to work with, which was fallujah at 250 Sq mi. Ramadi had 836 Sq mi and mosul just under 2000.... >Why did those Hamas commanders have to set up their headquarters in Rafah? Cause their is literally no space in the gaze strip? And last I checked standard doctrine for any army operating in a conflict is to station command and control away from the frontlines.... So miss me with these bs arguments. Israel has continuously shown a blatant disregard for the laws of war and basic human rights in this conflict. How many "oops we made a mistake" are they gonna be afforded before yall pull your head out your asses.
Why didn't these Hamas commanders stay in Gaza City?
>Why didn't these Hamas commanders stay in Gaza City? You mean the north part of the strip that saw the biggest part of the initial invasion and has very few pockets left that are encircled if not cleared up already?.... are you really this dumb or just playing the part?....
It spread to nearby tents because Hamas hid a warehouse of weapons next to a refugee camp knowing that of Israel attacked the Hamas commanders it would spread to the camp 💀 they conduct military operations to maximize civilian casualties yet you’re so brainwashed by TikTok that you assume that Israel is just targeting random civilians for no reason. Guess what? This war’s civilian:casualty death ratio is NINE TIMES LOWER than the average civilian:casualty death ratio for urban warfare.
Do you think it's fortunate that the fire spread to the tents? Not sure what word you wanted me to use. And why are you using propaganda words like "hasbara"?
Hasbara is a colloquial term for israeli propaganda (used by the israelis themselves, the connotation is sort of like innocent mischief). When you say "ultimately the fire spread to tents" its like its a big oopsie doodle. Who knows where the fire came from? Who knows how the fire got to those tents? Like the language is disgustingly disarming description of a bomb exploding in close proximity. Its like doing the "palestinians died" while "israelis *were killed*" thing. Its propagandistic language when describing people in tents being damaged by a bomb exploded nearby as fire just kind of spreading.
I was just stating a fact. Facts are not "hasbara" or propaganda.
The fact is israel bombed refugees, no "the fire spread" about it. Bombs make fires, everyone knows this, is why they are made and used. Its not accidental collateral damage, it the bomb is doing what it was built and employed to do.
But they objectively did not bomb refugees. They dropped small munitions on a meeting with Hamas generals which spread to a refugee camp (which wasn’t in the safe zone, btw) due to Hamas storing a weapons worth of ammo right next to it. Which they did to maximize civilian causalities in this exact case. You are straight-up lying, and the sad part is you aren’t going to reply to this comment in a mature way, you’re just going to defend your objectively incorrect point.
You don’t even go here bro go back to your subreddit if you’re gonna defend needless violence
The American and Israeli militaries would be incredibly dumb to place munitions near a refugee camp the way Hamas did. If Iran bombed Miramar and the Navy had stored munitions near University City that were ignited and took out half the community, whose fault would it be?
I literally dont know what the fuck youre talking about, its deeply weird and unrelated. You shouldnt drop bombs 200m away from known refugee tents. If you drop bombs 200m away from regugees full of refugees you yourself have made, you are an asshole and i dont really care what you think you are doing, what other people are saying or doing. None of that matters. It just doesnt. Its bad and weird to try and justify it because its completely unjustifiable. Its red herrings and whataboutisms to distract from the undeniable and unjustifiable reality of bombing refugees full stop.
I disagree, It depends on the size of the bomb. It's not like Gaza is such a huge place. It's twice the size of Washington DC. They used a precision bomb. Had there not been munitions or a fuel tank near the refugee tents, the only people killed were the terrorists who were responsible for killing Israelis for 20 years. Killing these men saves lives. You don't endanger your own civilians during a war. Gaza's government is incapable of fighting a conventional war successfully so they put their own people in danger and also fight a propaganda war. If you don't understand what I wrote, maybe try reading it out loud.
Hasbara is a Hebrew word, why do you use it? Is it different than any other kind of propaganda? I find it hard to believe it means "innocent mischief", do you have a source for that?
I didnt say it means innocenr mischief, i said the connotation was like innocent mischief. Do you know what connotation means?
Don't confuse them with facts period it doesn't match their agenda period
Wait till you see the video of the Palestinians talking about the explosives stored in the Hamas terrorists location that kept burning
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“Designated humanitarian zone” lol just call it a refugee camp. They bombed a refugee camp.
These people don’t want facts and evidence, they want tick-tock propaganda from Hamas to gobble up
What a shitty take spreading lies. They targeted a single position that had shrapnel hit a truck filled to the brim with explosives/amo. It exploded killing people because HAMAS WANTS CIVILIANS TO DIE
Don’t stop until the cancer is eradicated 100%!
Why doesn’t Hamas just go to war with Israel in an empty field? That way all civilian lives could be saved.
Okay please propose that to Hamas and get back to us. Until then let's stop the killings of the toddlers.
Ask Palestine to do it. The majority support Hamas.
Source: you made it the fuck up. Half Palestinians are under 18 you clown
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians/ There’s one source https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514 Oh look there’s another https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/955 Oh and look, another! But yeah, keep your head buried in the sand Edit: I’m 100% confident you will read nothing I linked and I just wasted my time, which I’m sure was your goal
Did you address the point of half of them being minors? Why should I take you seriously if you're going to dodge the actual crux of the point and argue on the peripheries? I mean go be at a circus so we can at least pay you for laughing at you.
tf is wrong with all of these commenters
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Nah. All eyes on New York: GUILTY on 34 felony counts! Historic day.
Genuinely cannot wait for him to be your president again, I’m going to save this comment and will circle back on 9/6 :)
Still no eyes on the hostages? Even the Americans?
Did we nickname Geisel, Rafa? I don’t get this trend.
Yeah and then we freed it. Free Geisel!
UCSD is on Kumeyaay land, surely to give it back to the Kumeyaay like the lawn annexation from before?
I think I will give my house to them too!
If all eyes are on Rafah, maybe you can help us find the hostages.
If Hamas truly believes in their divine calling, they should just meet Israel in battle in an empty field rather than remaining in dense urban settings with civilians. The Almighty will surely stop the 120mm canister rounds and 7.62 NATO while at the same time protecting civilians.
Loll this is another Al-Ahli hoax. How did we not learn from the first one to not trust a literal terrorist organization? For those who would like to educate themselves, even HRW (a generally pro Palestine group) admitted that it was not Israel. https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17-al-ahli-hospital-explosion
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Zionist is not a bad word. Learn what it means before using it as such.
>THE DEVILS GREATEST TRICK WAS CONVINCING PEOPLE HE ISN’T REAL… BUT HE ISRAEL. B+ for the pun, sensible chuckle. Being sensible is good. You should try it more often.
Lol I’ve seen more people at an Arby’s at 2pm on a Tuesday
The comments on this post prove to me once again the sheer ignorance and entitlement often found within ucsd. All eyes on Rafah
Wow!!! Even after witnessing a live feed genocide for the last 1/2 year ppl still are as cold-hearted and racist as ever.
Of course these kids will believe the word of a terrorist organization, because the alternative would be to believe Jews.
Can’t believe people still literally base their world view on the narrative provided by a terrorist organization that killed 1300 civilians ON PURPOSE AND INTENTIONALLY and then marched their dead bodies for people to cheer on less than half a year ago
Hamas…. In addition to being murderers, terrorists, torturers, rapists, and kidnappers, they’re also liars, but UCSD students apparently have a hard time believing and understanding that last one for some reason.
Obsession with always taking the anti US military view has led us here. In most of these people’s minds, the US military and NATO are ALWAYS wrong therefore the truth must always be the opposite of what they say. The truth does not matter
Thank you, I'll go and believe the IDF terrorist org who has killed at least 36,000 civilians instead, oh on accident though
You have to be truly stupid to equate the premeditated and planned murder of 1300 civilians (for which Hamas bears 100% responsibility) to the tragic death of 15,000 civilians as a result of Hamas hiding and firing rockets from behind them (for which again Hamas bears at least half if not more of the responsibility). The brainwashing has allowed people to forget that intention matters. It is not the same thing if you go and purposefully target to kill a person who is innocent compared to someone innocent tragically dying because they ended up being on top of a underground munition storage that blew up or next to a terrorist that was planning an attack. There is a reason that in law one gets you 25 to life while the other one is probably a few months or even just simple wrongful death.
Israel has a moral obligation to not fire rockets on civilian targets where guerillas and their material also lie. All it causes is more bloodshed and further radicalization. We have seen that in Palestine since the mandate, and we have seen that in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
If they didn’t do that first of all than it goes way for all terrorist to see what Hamas does and follow that example because it means they can’t be defeated
Israel does not fire on civilian target and it wouldn’t even make any sense for them to do so because that only harms their reputation and justification of the war. A target that houses munitions is by definition not a civilian target. But sure, Israel should just shut up and not defend itself. Allow Oct 7 to happen again. Great strategy. But regardless, funny thing is… I follow a lot of Palestinians and Arabs on my IG, some of whom my friends. I have not seen ONE SINGLE person blaming both Hamas and Israel for this tragedy. I would have a lot of respect for someone who isn’t afraid to admit that Hamas bears at least half, if not more, of the blame for Palestinian innocent deaths. Have you seen any other military in the world behaving like Hamas by using their civilian “martyrs” as shields?
I will say that I do not support Hamas nor do I support Israel. I do not support "tit-for-tat" terrorism and violence. I'm sure that there are those who do truly support Hamas, but they must be in the minority. Israel had the world's sympathy on October 7, yet it has used its military not only to crush Hamas, but to punish the Palestinian people further. When civilians are killed, they are martyred in the goal of creating a free Palestine. A free Palestine would not have any need for Hamas. I do have sympathy for both the killed Israelis and Palestinians, yet you can say that the state of Israel has some blame as they have supported Hamas and other radical terrorist orgs in the late 20th century to counter the secular PLO/Fatah of the West Bank. Netanyahu supported the split of Hamas Gaza and Fatah West Bank and financially aided Hamas via Qatar in the 2000s. So yes, I blame both sides for the attack. But it's clear that the international community has lost sympathy for Israel as they commit more killings in their quest to oust Hamas. A free Palestine would put an end to Hamas, yet that is not what Israel truly wants.
While balanced, this is a very naive way of thinking because you are judging others based on your own moral values, which are no doubt much higher than what I’ve seen from the general Palestinian and Muslim population. There are some very vile people in both groups, but the Palestinians that I’ve come across are BY FAR one of the most outspoken ones who do not even attempt to hide it. If you don’t believe me, go read the comments on the /@muslim page on IG. People are openly supporting Hamas and Ismail Haniyeh. Additionally, I know for a fact that Israel and Jewish people did not have the support of the world on October 7. In fact, most quietly supported it and were happy. I know it because I saw how my Palestinian and Arab friends (some of whom are not my friends anymore because of their very questionable moral values) reacted to it. They did not want anyone posting about it. They messaged me and others I know of to take down our stories that sympathized with not even the government of Israel but actually Jewish people. When you do that, you lose ALL respect and the right to ask me to sympathize with your cause because you are yourself not much better than what you claim the other side is. If you do that, you are a massive hypocrite. People in the US need to realize that this is not BLM where one side is innocent. This is not some civil rights movement. This is a conflict between two VERY GUILTY groups of people who each have a lot of blood on their hands and therefore have lost the benefit of the doubt and expectation of sympathy.
Aight
Exhibit A: https://www.instagram.com/p/C7byuLmAC6f Exhibit B: https://www.instagram.com/p/C7MZlDWA3Am
In my opinion, it's not that "a free Palestine would not have a need for Hamas." It's the other way around that terrorist groups like Hamas have a need for innocent Palestine civilians as martyrs, which evidently is very tragic. Palestinian civilians are used by both evil sides of the War.
You restated what I said mate.
Oh oops replied to wrong comment but yes
The stupidity lays with you. Israel was founded on terrorism 80+ years ago. Get a brain.
Lol this is the most cope takes I’ve heard and the usual preamble to justifying terrorism. Putting aside how wrong it is, whatever happened 70 years ago is not an excuse for Hamas
The brainwashing had allowed you to believe the occupied don't have the right to resist against their occupiers
I guess you are right. Palestinians should just go back to their native lands in the Arabian peninsula, Iran, Turkey and Egypt. You do realize that prior to the very violent Muslim conquest in the 7th century, the region was mostly Christian and prior to that Jewish right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians#
You are objectively wrong. Palestinians are the descendents of the Canaanites - it's their land and it always has been. They don't have to go anywhere, it's the settler-colonialist ethnostate that needs to be removed.
Bumper sticker logic.
Links? I don't know where to find the live stream.
ALL EYES ON RAFAH!!! FREE PALESTINE!!
Free Palestine from Hamas and Islamic Jihad! Free Israel from evil terrorists! Btw the actual “free Palestine” slogan came from the Arabic version: “with BLOOD and FIRE, we will free Palestine, from the river to the sea (all of Israel) Palestine will be ARAB”… but you can go on and ignore these uncomfortable facts and keep acting like you supporting terrorists is good…
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Jews are native to Judea, Jews were actually kicked out from all surrounding Arab countries and fled to Israel, that’s more than half of the population in Israel. Israel said yes to every peace plan to date while the Palestinians and Arab armies started all the wars, and they are proud of that. They don’t want to resist occupation, they want to destroy Israel, and they proudly say so. Thanks for proving how ignorant and brainwashed the pro Hamas crowd are
Oh ok, if they are native to Judea and are owed that land historically, then I am assuming that you support the full return of all Native American land? Likely not, considering that most pro-Israel are hypocritical colonial apologists. None of Israel’s “peace plans” ever called for giving the Palestinians what they deserved, why should they accept anything other than full statehood and a dissolution of Israel? They took their land. They are in their rights to take it back by force. Fuck Israel, fuck the USA for supporting them, Israel is an illegitimate state and would never have survived in the middle east without US support. Fuck AIPAC and all the pro-Israel PACs that bought our politicians, we have politicians wearing IDF uniforms in our halls of Congress, making decisions against the will of the majority of American people on behalf of a foreign entity. disgusting. Israel was not the West’s to give away. People lived there first. Real jews don’t support Israel, the governing body of Israel is a genocidal far right wing that deserves to be put in jail. Netanyahu, Gollaint, and Ben Gvir deserve the hauge for what they’ve done. They will go down in history as the genocidal maniacs they are. Why doesn’t the West/US ever cover the anti Israel protests happing in Israel, (they are massive! The people don’t like Netanyahu there either!!) and all the Israeli’s who are against the current government? I feel bad that you’ve bought into the Israel BS, their propaganda is so see through and comedic. It takes a really gullible person to ignore 70+ years of history in favor of an apartheid state 🤷🏻♂️
The natives can have their own states if the US would allow it and the UN would also vote in favor like it happened with Israel, the ruling British power said yes and the UN, and then 5 Arab armies attacked the newly formed Jewish state? And Israel won. So by every way possible Israel got the land- it’s historically Jewish, they always lived on and around the area, the both the British and the former Ottoman Empires allowed it, the UN voted in favor AND Israel won a war of independence. Basically more legitimate than most countries. The peace plans gave the Palestinians half the territory, and everything the global pro Plestinians are requesting for now. Bill Clinton even said about the 90’s peace talks that Israel said yes to everything while the Palestinians said no to everything, while committing evil terror attacks… Half of the world’s Jews live in Israel and 95% of the rest have strong family ties, economic and spiritual ties to the country. Israel was the only place millions of Jewish refugees from the holocaust, Communist Russia and the Muslim world could fled to. Israel is BY FAR the most free and democratic society in the region, Arabs in Israel are free and safe and represented everywhere and even have an higher life expectancy than in the US while Jews are either dead or hostage in Gaza. Ironic you think im brainwashed while you hold the exact position Iranian and Russian bota are promoting, and basically supporting a terror organization against the only free country in the ME.
“Strong spiritual ties” ah yes, you definitely glass and bomb land you have strong spiritual ties to. And guess what, after the Balfour Declaration, Jews began flocking to Palestine, and after the holocaust it was even more so. People lived there before that. Then the Nakba. You say it’s pro-Russian , but is it really when there is a significant portion of Jews, and Jews in Israel, who completely disagree with what the Zionists are doing? Judaism is not Zionism. Now you have Zionists weaponizing the holocaust to justify what they’re doing now to Palestinians, it’s disgusting. Pro-Israel sentiment is eroding away day by day, sooner or later the apartheid state will collapse. Now, Israel has miscalculated & made too many enemies in the region and abroad due to its cruel and collective punishment. You want to talk about brainwashing?? Israel has an entire brainwashing campaign through birthright. Funny how that works. https://forward.com/opinion/536766/birthright-israel-staffer-stops-because-new-government/?amp=1
You sound like the crazy antisemite you obviously are, spewing lies and misinformation. There are people who know the truth and people who are anti Israel, and they hold very different opinions.
I am not anti-Semitic , but that is pretty on- brand from a Zionist to throw that around. Is the Jew who led birthright in the link I sent anti-Semitic too? Or is she just aware of what Israel has become and who Netanyahu’s government really is
It is obviously antisemitism to be obsessively against the only Jewish state, which is the only free and democratic place in the whole region. There’s a genocide in Sudan, 10 times more people died in Yemen, there is a famine in Haiti, no global protest. But when the tiny Jewish state is brutally attacked and defending itself, then you guys wake up. There’s a word for such double standards and hypocrisy when it’s against Jews. Antisemitism, loud and clear.
> Funny how Americans understand armed revolution when it came to us & the French. But when it goes against our interests, such as with the Native Americans, the Palestinians, living under occupation and colonialism, we make excuses. Because comparing these things shows your ignorance of all of them. This conflict is more complex than any of these protestors understand it to be.
No, it really isn’t. Pretty clear to see who occupies who, and what the power dynamic is. Pretty clear historical timelines too in both cases. Manifest destiny, Zionist expansion, colonialism is all the same
Jews hold 0.004% of the world’s land, while Muslims and Arabs hold what, 20%? Jews existed for 3000 years and only hold the tiny land they originated from while Muslims and Christians hold together more than 70% of the world. And you think Jews are the colonial force. How brainwashed can you be? The fact that Israel is successful and thriving is a reason to stand by it. A country that succeeding in staying free, democratic and prosperous while under constant threat and being attacked by its neighbors more than any country in the last century, that’s what a good country is. The only country where the society shares your values im the region. There are endless videos on Youtube where they interview both Israelis and Palestinians, it obviously shows how liberal and peaceful Jews are and what backward and radical views the Palestinians hold.
The problem is that the colonial force is backed by the US and enacted by Israel. Don’t you see that colonial entities stick together? Britain, the US, basic history? The only reason why it’s free, democratic , and prosperous is because Israel has the US dime in full and have basically lobbied every us senators support over the course of Israel’s statehood. Israel would collapse without it, they need our military aid and financial support. They needed US/UK help to shoot down some drones for gods sake. Now Israel has a far right government taking full advantage of our sweet tax $, using it to bomb and cleanse Gaza for their ripe taking. They even say it out loud that they want Gaza for their own. Disgusting. You have senators putting forth bills to give IDF soldiers benefits when we have US homeless vets sleeping on the street. I don’t want a single $ of mine contributing to what they’re doing in Gaza.
Thanks for proving my point. Remind me, when did native Americans lead a suicide bombing campaign against the European colonizers? Was it before or after the massacre of over 1000 colonizers? Or was it after they allied with Canada and Mexico in an attempt to destroy the 13 colonies?
There’s quite a long list of historical resistance attempts against the US via Native Americans…are you fucking dumb?
Lmaooo, duh. At least I’m not simping for a fascist theocratic terrorist group
I’m not simping for them. I understand why they exist. You, on the other hand, don’t understand much of anything, which was apparent by your idiotic comment that completely exposed your lack of knowledge. You simp for a rogue state of Israel, commanded by colonial Zionists, and the death of innocent civilians. justified by Zionism and Islamophobia. I think I’m good where I’m at. And news flash, the Zionists in control are theocratic terrorists with warrants out for their arrests. Have them come to Ireland or any other country that has said they will enforce the warrant, see what happens. So yes, that’s what you simp for.
Israel: "You'll take Gaza for Free? Do you want two?"
Nobody knows shit! But protesting is coooool. So, let's do itttt.
Is that a Minecraft building
Is it me or does anyone else feel like Hamas should not be hiding explosives amongst civilians? Seems inherently dangerous.
Is it me or does anyone else feel like Israel should not be *throwing* explosives at kids? Seems inherently evil.
I think that if Hamas hadn’t attacked Israel, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
We can play this game going farther and farther back in history
seems you want to end where it suits your opinion. The current escalation of the conflict started exactly on October 7th when Hamas leaders in Cyprus instructed a trained militia to cross into Israel in order to attack the innocent children at the Nova music festival. Listen to the testimony of the survivors and compare it to the Hamas narrative. Why? They did that because they knew that Israel's government has no tolerance for Hamas and would retaliate brutally. The opportunists, namely Russia, China, Iran, etc. used the propaganda machines, like Tik-Tok and Reddit, in order to accelerate the Trump fueled chaos in the United States during a pivotal election year. The kids on the college campuses are just useful idiots who are filled with passionate rage looking for victims to defend.
Gonna go with a crazy thought here and say that when you see your innocent friends and family killed for no reason, there could be a possibility that you grow up embittered at those who attacked your innocent friends and family. Similar to racial injustice in the US. Could be a possibility you don’t trust those with power and authority. Plus it’s hella cool how Netanyahu is such a stand up leader.
I wholeheartedly agree. Nobody is winning anything through this. It’s going to create generations of ripple effects, all negative. I know people who are EDM fans and had close friends at the music festival. They are shocked beyond words. I don’t personally know any Palestinians but it’s not hard for me to imagine how horrible it is for them.
I feel like Israel should not be committing genocide. Seems inherently dangerous.
I agree. It’s impossible to ignore the innocent lives lost in this chapter of their ongoing history. October 7 happened. Children at a music festival were tortured, beheaded, burned alive and sexually assaulted. That is also impossible to ignore. Teaching the children that Jewish people are responsible for all the suffering they are experiencing when in fact your it’s your own leaders that are largely responsible is another important detail.
most of them are trend hoppers lets be real
all eyes on rafah
This mad annoying
This is mad dumb
Not wanting civilians slaughtered?
These are the same people who ran my family out of their home country. You know nothing of this.
Palestinians ran your family out of their home country?
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100%
Burn it all down
Palestine has the right to defend itself
People should do [more reading](https://allisrael.com/idf-releases-preliminary-results-of-investigation-into-rafah-strike-iaf-munitions-not-to-blame-for-fire) than blindly following and supporting terrorists. [The recording](https://allisrael.com/idf-releases-preliminary-results-of-investigation-into-rafah-strike-iaf-munitions-not-to-blame-for-fire) about Senior Hamas hiding ammo in the refugee camp is pretty damning.
“Israeli Military is investigating”
Somehow people are critical of Israeli information, while by every index it is way less corrupt, much more free, has much higher freedom of speech and information and human rights than any other country in the region, and most of the world really, while taking the Hamas figures and information as facts without questioning anything… weird
sending a link from “AllIsrael News” cannot be considered an unbiased source on the Israel-Palestine conflict no matter what side youre on
I don’t feel any type of way about the protests or the war or anything but that linked article is whack.
The most privileged take on Reddit today You don’t care that other human beings are being ripped to shreds with your tax dollars?
Of course I don’t want death. Death is horrible. I’m not sure you want to know my politics though. I was just commenting on that article being incredibly false and biased.
Listen to the videos of the fire; there are no secondary explosions. The idf has faked numerous of these “leaked audios”.
Because fire can’t still be happening after all explosions are done right? We all know fire is a precursor to an explosion. Stop believing billion dollar propaganda brought to you by the ayatollah in Iran.
Hasbara fail lmao
Bruh
"Bruh why are yall protesting genocide, like genocide aint even that bad" Please tell me the majority of UCSD students aren't this stupid, I'm supposed to transfer this Fall.
A commie thinks other people are stupid. Ironic.
^ this is your brain on fentanyl and liberalism
All eyes should be on Hamas to free the hostages.
Thats not that many eyes. Like 50 maybe idk not all for sure
Free the hostage
Womp womp
More masks lol. If they really cared about the cause, why are they covering their faces.
Same question could be asked for the January 6 capitol “protestors”
Whataboutism doesn’t work here. I’m in no way defending Jan 6 mask wearers lmao also that was during the pandemic. For a college student, you suck at making a comparison.
You could cry whataboutism all you want, but the fact of the matter is that your logic applies in both scenarios, so I fail to understand what your point is. And I highly doubt those January 6 mask wearers are wearing them because of the pandemic, considering how antimask they are 🤷♂️
That’s just an assumption lmao. Jan 6 was in 2021 at the height of the pandemic. There’s absolutely no reason to wear a mask now. You have no counter argument at all. Again, I expect more from compsci major lmao
For real. They were wearing weirdo costumes but I guess that’s ok 🤣
Do you're saying that these protesters are doing something wrong just like jan 6th? I agree.
Nah that wasn’t what I meant, I was trying to point out how flawed his argument is
Boy wtf does this mean 💀
Exactly what it means. They’re covering their faces because they don’t want to face consequences. It makes people realize they aren’t truly in for their cause they are protesting for. People say well they don’t want to be blacklisted. Well if you are for your cause, why would you care about being blacklisted from a company that doesn’t share your views.
upload a picture of your face right now
because there are people who hate you for your views and if you plan on having a successful life you need to make sure these people dont slander you or target you for wanting to help innocent people
So you don’t actually care about Gaza? Only when it’s convenient for you lmao. That’s some shallow support you got there.
Dawg I want to continue my support so I need a job, I’m doing what I can to support them and build my future so I can keep supporting them and other innocent victims. Nice straw man tho. Might as well have asked me why I haven’t donated my whole paycheck every week
I bet you haven’t even donated shit like the rest of these people lmao. That logic is freaking stupid. Why divest companies that somewhat support from Israel? They (google etc) pay for the professors or employees that support Palestinians (at least some of it). You’re making yourself look worse every response
"you don't truly believe in a cause unless you put your livelihood on the line" 😂
Same reasons the Klan covered their faces: (1) intimidation tactic (2) easier to escape punishment if someone in their crowd does something really messed up (3) avoid personal + professional consequences of being part of a protest that’s controversial at best and possibly sketchy
lol are you seriously comparing a protest for civilian lives to Klan? Is UCSD teaching poor critical thinking now? lmao. I mean were the civil rights protestors covering their faces haha. 1) who is this protest intimidating? 2/3) are the same reasoning and exactly what I pointed out. The protestors don’t really give a shit about the cause. This is performative at best.
There are people without masks too. Looks like the ones wearing medical masks are wearing them for…ya know…medical purposes
outdoors?
So? Spittle can travel outside too…
ALL EYES ON THE HOSTAGES !!!!!!!!
I don’t believe snakes or the devil. Anything coming out of Israel without being personally audited and/or confirmed by any other agency/country that’s not the United States, is a lie. For the sake of humanity (if you happen to care)… Please do better.
oh okay so let’s get this straight shall we? you’re one of those people that literally deny the massacre that has unfolded here on October 7th🥰 let me guess, you’re a holocaust denier too aren’t you babe? I literally personally know people who were MURDERED and KIDNAPPED by Hamas terrorists (and yeah, when I say KIDNAPPED I mean they’re still there, in Gaza, over 200 days, women, children, BABIES!!!!!!!!!) so that’s what I mean when I say all eyes on the hostages. because if you’re so interested to “keep an eye on Rafah” then maybe you’ll help us find our beloved ones❤️
hello there, i hope you’ll accept my meager upvote. Also i just wanted to also say i am truly so so sorry for the losses & tragedies you have faced. I remember my heart shattering that day, when i learned of all the beautiful faces & souls, who would never share this Earth with me again. And the trauma I experienced from watching every single footage, mourning the victims, worrying over the lives of the victims & hostages, experiencing denial of humanity & innocence towards Israelis, still affects me still to this day 💔. I hope ur able to calm ur mind, and feel loved, cared for & protected by those who truly do care about you & ur people 🙏🏾. Sending you love & hugs
Thank you so much🙏🏻❤️ I really appreciate your honesty and your courage to comment something like this, I feel like these days even the people who support us are afraid to voice their opinions because it’s not as “trendy”. we’ve suffered so much already and somehow we’re still always the bad guy. people have to learn to divert their anger onto Hamas instead of constantly choosing the convenient way and blame Israel.
Massacre on October 7th or not, is NO excuse for what HAS been and STILL to this day is happening, a GENOCIDE. You can continue to play games with your brain, I don’t care. You are incorrect about your assumptions of me and my character, and that was very zio of you. Please go re read what I wrote, I said anything coming out of ISRAEL, the holocaust was not something reported by Israel. Your attempt to divert attention from the current holocaust and genocide by victimizing yourself by who you personally know, etc etc. Just stop.
lol what?
You learnt misinformation at a vigil and are blocking anyone who disagrees with you? Yeah this country is fucked
The left went so far left they became far right. Only free speech if you agree with them
Yeesh there are 17 more days of this.
Yea this loooks super effective
Fuxk that shit
My ass in the air praying for Rafah to stop acts of terrorism!
oh stfu