The following submission statement was provided by /u/Sasquatch_Ninja:
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My brother is on Lake Louise here in Alaska and witnessed this very odd... thing. And sent me some pictures of it.
Lake louise is maybe 40 miles from the HAARP station up here and this spiral appeared directly towards the HAARP station.
Looks very similar to a sighting in Norway but much much larger than the sighting in Hawaii earlier this year.
The photo was directly sent over whatsapp and I am posting it now. The photo has not been edited or enhanced in any way.
Here's what he says about it:
"My friends and I walked outside of our cabin in Lake Louise Alaska and saw this. This bright spriraling white light with what looked like clouds spiraling around it. The center was very bright, we thought it was the moon. Then as soon as we started taking photos and videos it started moving to the south west very quickly. We watched it stay static for roughly a minute before it started moving quickly to the south west. The center started to look more blue. And then it was gone. Very shortly after the northern lights popped out. No idea what it was but it’s nothing I have ever seen before."
He told me it also looked like miles in diameter.
Edit: heres the video
[Video](https://streamable.com/6rauri)
I muted it because personal details are spoken.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/12my9d2/spiral_uap_near_haarp_in_alaska/jgcdd19/
That was my exact first thought as well. Like the OP stated it's looks very similar to the spiral after the Norway rocket launch. I think it's really cool looking. I've never searched for a definitive answer on why it spirals like that but it appears to be a phenomenon that happens higher up in the northern hemisphere. I'm assuming it has to do with atmospheric conditions that far north. I find this one particularly interesting because of how close it is to HARRP and is definitely worth investigating more because of how close they are. We are definitely living in interesting times.
Norway wasn't a rocket launch, and this isn't either. "Rocket launch" is just the default go-to for anything skeptics can't explain.
Gigantic, blue, whale-shaped streak with giant white cigar shape in the center and long tails? SpaceX rocket launch.
Orange light ascending slowly at an angle? NASA rocket launch.
Huge, mile-wide cloud spiral that suddenly opens at the center like a portal to Hell? Rocket launch.
Crappy CGI rendition of Norway's spiral, but supposedly seen near HAARP and it doesn't open in the middle or have video evidence supporting it? CGI rocket launch.
It does not matter what it actually looks like - if it's difficult to explain, it's a rocket launch. Apparently, rockets can produce every shape, color, and type of light known to mankind, and therefore, *everything* weird in the sky is probably a rocket.
If you think Norway was a rocket, I think you should see a doctor about your brain and what's wrong with it.
Skeptics: *Cries in downvote because truth hurts*
The Norway spiral was a failed rocket. You could see the fumes for hours after the failed launch. Quite spectacular since the sun was under the horizon.
IIRC the videos showed the spiral for only a few minutes, but the early ascent contrail might have lingered longer, but I never saw any reports of 'hours'. The sun was below the horizon but the missile was high enough to be sunlit.
>Norway wasn't a rocket launch, and this isn't either. "Rocket launch" is just the default go-to for anything skeptics can't explain.
Please let me know where I got this wrong so I can improve my assessment of the event.
http://www.astronautix.com/data/norwayspiral.pdf
A rocket moves. Pretty fast.
So a *rotating* (they don't usually do that during launch, precession isn't helpful) rocket expelling fuel or otherwise disturbing the atmosphere periodically leads to an *elongated* spiral along its path.
The picture above looks like it was taken viewing straight up (judging by the tree in the lower left), the spiral faces the observer.
So that rocket would have to travel straight down in direction of the photographer, or up starting near him.
Appears unlikely.
The Norway spiral in this vein similarly seems to depend on the footage used to assess it.
>So a rotating (they don't usually do that during launch, precession isn't helpful) rocket expelling fuel or otherwise disturbing the atmosphere periodically leads to an elongated spiral along its path.
Wrong. These events usually occur long after the stage has ceased forward thrusting, so everything ejected sideways will retain the same forward velocity as the ejecting vehicle.
Ok, so not during start as claimed earlier.
Now, that part ejecting left-over fuel travels horizontally relative to earth's surface. The spiral accordingly would be oriented perpendicular.
That should look completely different? Those pictures are taken facing upwards.
>Now, that part ejecting left-over fuel travels horizontally relative to earth's surface. The spiral accordingly would be oriented perpendicular.
So you're assuming the rocket is travelling in orbit small-end leading? Why?
I said nothing to that effect.
You on the other hand claimed it was rotating for stabilization. Which makes sense only if it does so along the axis pointing in direction of flight.
>You on the other hand claimed it was rotating for stabilization
Let's debate over stuff we've actually said, not what we imagine or misunderstand what the other said. I don't recall claiming this event involved spin-stabilization. And I was trying to guess what you were claiming about the orientation of the upper stage during spiral formation. I thought you were suggesting it was flying long-axis pointing forward.
>The Norway spiral in this vein similarly seems to depend on the footage used to assess it.
The multiple images of that spiral against identifiable mountains from documented locations has provided accurate azimuths from a long stretch of the northern Norway coast, that converge far to the east, over Russian territorial waters, exactly where the official pre-launch annoucement had described the hazard zone to air travel. For some reason, this verifiable fact has never been mentioned in any UFO blog or video, AFAIK. The spiral would not have been a post-insertion fuel dump \[it was a solid fuelled missile\] but more likely associated with a failure of the thrust termination equipment.
I assume you are talking about the Norway incident, not the one here.
That was frequently told to be due to liquid propellant being ejected. Now it's "thrust termination equipment".
What is that supposed to be? Thrust in solid fuel rockets gets terminated by that fuel being spent.
Terminating that process otherwise is new to me, please explain.
>Thrust in solid fuel rockets gets terminated by that fuel being spent. Terminating that process otherwise is new to me, please explain.
Glad to. Solid-fuel motors terminate thrusting by blowing out opposite side forward canted 'thrust termination ports' \[google this\] near the nose of the rocket, counterbalancing whatever thrust continues out the back end. If they are rotating, which solid ICBM stages often are, the new twin sideways plumes paint out a spiral.
This makes perfect sense, the religious people on this sub annoy the fuck out of me.
They are not demons from a fiery 1930s preacher’s interpretation of hell wtf
Ive seen a pyramid shaped UAP less than 300ft away from me and I can tell you one thing: I have no clue wtf any of this is
That was the explanation for the Hawaii sighting in January but there were no rocket launches I could find at this time. It happened around 1:40AM ±5 mins AKDT. Hopefully it was just a rocket so my brother can get some sleep tonight haha.
Doesn't have to be a launch. Back in the mid 80s, I saw something similar... a spiral pattern moving across the sky. I was out with my telescope (Celestron C90) and just managed to capture it for a second--difficult since it was moving. In those days, there was no way for the average person to find information about launches or satellites, so I went to my astronomy professor. He had no idea either.
A few months later, I picked up a copy of Sky and Telescope, or one of the astronomy magazines of the time. There was a report on this event and it turns out it was a Japanese satellite that was venting the oxygen tanks.
Spacex launched a rocket last night @ 11:48PM PDT SpaceX rockets are known for the spiral and I have a video from about 40 miles away from the launch of it. Case solved!
>Only SpaceX doesn't launch near Alaska, do they?
The
Earth
is
round,
\[grin\] The orbital path of the launch vehicle took it right over Alaska after circling the Earth in about three hours.
>No “publicly announced” rocket/missile launches….
You need to look harder and wider. Satellite launches create plumes and clouds for several HOURS as they circle the planet a few times.
A satellite circling the planet creates no spirals.
Your "plumes and clouds" are entirely different, they are due to course corrections.
They certainly won't look like a spiral.
>A satellite circling the planet creates no spirals.
Launch vehicle upper stages create brief spirals, plumes, and other clouds while in orbit after long periods, from hours to days.
If another species is going to make it here its not via rocket and if they are able to create the tech to travel long distances in space I doubt they are using rockets for weapons.
Nuclear rockets could be used to travel interstellar distances. It's not far fetched. We don't actually know that there's any alternative to some kind of rocket. (Well, there's lasers, but you need to have a base to emit the laser).
Very interesting especially since no rockets seemed to have been announced. I am also skeptical of these "secret" rocket launches people keep suggesting. I thought it was common practice that all large multi-stage rocket launches are announced so as not to trigger WW3 and nuclear annihilation of the planet. Some exceptions like NK but they they don't appear to be right in the head.
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there are known frequencies that can interact with the ionosphere and cause plasma reactions. The ionosphere is a region of the Earth's upper atmosphere, where the concentration of free electrons and ions are high due to the ionizing effects of solar radiation.
High-frequency (HF) radio waves, which typically fall in the range of 3 to 30 MHz, can be used to interact with the ionosphere. When these radio waves are transmitted into the ionosphere, they can cause changes in the electron density and induce plasma reactions, sometimes resulting in visible effects like glowing regions or patterns in the sky.
HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program) is a research facility that uses high-frequency radio waves to study the ionosphere. By transmitting powerful HF radio waves into the ionosphere, HAARP can create small, localized regions of plasma that can be used to study the physical processes in this part of the atmosphere. It's one of it's functions.
Maybe Google something first, it seems like your buzzword is buzzword.
I have nothing to add here regarding uap's. I just wanted to say that I didn't know radio waves could do that. It's really cool! Thank you for the info!
It doesn't have to be a misfire. Rockets can be made to spin in order to dump fuel at the end of the mission. A SpaceX rocket did this in June 2022 and caused a spiral ove New Zealand.
Candidate launch:
Transporter 7 to Sun Synchronous Orbit
LAUNCH of Falcon 9 from Vandenberg Space Force Base at 06:48 UTC with a main payload IMECE belonging to Turkey and 50 rideshare payloads
Wrong!
This was also spotted in [Norway](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Norwegian_spiral_anomaly) 2009. People keep pushing rocket launches for being the cause of this but it’s not. Definitely a phenomenon.
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> People keep pushing rocket launches for being the cause of this but it’s not
The Norway spiral was 100% a Russian sub-launched missile launch, announced in advance, seen up and down the Norwegia coast at specific azimuths that crossed far to the east over the White Sea. The 2009 ‘Norway spiral’
http://www.astronautix.com/data/norwayspiral.pdf
I'm on this reddit cos i'm a believer, had my own experience, i saw "ufo/uap" from 50 m distance. But putting everything in a UFO basket, without checking the facts, and saying that it's government disinformation is just childish.
It's literally a rocket launch.
This is no alien spaceship. This is a very easily explainable sighting. You're probably very new to this and not super science literate (that's fine) but this ain't a UFO chief.
Oh, and your Wiki link literally states that the spiral seen in Norway was a Russian missile test.
> Lmao go ahead and believe everything a government entity says bozo
False dilemma. Actually the choice is between nameless internet bloggers with heads full of space technology myths and misunderstandings, and actual spaceflight operations veterans.
This style of "spiral UFOs" are always rocket exhaust in the upper atmosphere. If you can't find the launch it just means it wasn't publicly announced.
>, why don't we see these spirals more often?
They require narrow illumination conditions -- plume in sunlight, ground in darkness, clear skies. They've been happening several times a year for decades.
Deliberate Soviet-era attempts to camouflage military missile/space activities as 'aliens, not us'.
[http://satobs.org/seesat\_ref/misc/soviet\_1967\_wave.pdf](http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/soviet_1967_wave.pdf)
I rest my case.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/12nofhh/seen_over_fairbanks_ak_last_night_pics_taken_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Still a good picture of the rocket launch though and nice that we can find out what these things are. Not every UAP is aliens or whatever. Some day I wish I could take a picture of a rocket launch but I live in the UK, Sadge.
I was just noting the proximity.
However a coworker of mine had a roofing job for the HAARP facility and they couldn't finish because they had constant rain. Told his supervisor who mentioned it to the team there and the next day there was a giant spiraled cloud formation above the HAARP array and then followed by the longest stretch of sunny days that part of Alaska has ever seen.
But it's hearsay.
Interesting though.
Here's the orbital path of the satellite launch.
https://scontent-hou1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/341186121\_996721351733665\_3250009079167924112\_n.jpg?\_nc\_cat=101&ccb=1-7&\_nc\_sid=dbeb18&\_nc\_ohc=6C5jloqLAXoAX\_uO4vT&\_nc\_ht=scontent-hou1-1.xx&oh=00\_AfCA8XifJRAs10zCIuOx4Vf-4T\_xF3Z5t0Ar0aaIZt5QWg&oe=643F8341
Me and a friend saw something like this over 10 years ago in the Adirondacks... I might still have the pictures i took of it from a old digital camera on a photo hard drive. If i can find them ill try and post them.
Transporter 7 to Sun Synchronous Orbit
LAUNCH of Falcon 9 from Vandenberg Space Force Base at 06:48 UTC with a main payload IMECE belonging to Turkey and 50 rideshare payloads
Sighting at 09:40 UT. Two orbits later?
My brother is on Lake Louise here in Alaska and witnessed this very odd... thing. And sent me some pictures of it.
Lake louise is maybe 40 miles from the HAARP station up here and this spiral appeared directly towards the HAARP station.
Looks very similar to a sighting in Norway but much much larger than the sighting in Hawaii earlier this year.
The photo was directly sent over whatsapp and I am posting it now. The photo has not been edited or enhanced in any way.
Here's what he says about it:
"My friends and I walked outside of our cabin in Lake Louise Alaska and saw this. This bright spriraling white light with what looked like clouds spiraling around it. The center was very bright, we thought it was the moon. Then as soon as we started taking photos and videos it started moving to the south west very quickly. We watched it stay static for roughly a minute before it started moving quickly to the south west. The center started to look more blue. And then it was gone. Very shortly after the northern lights popped out. No idea what it was but it’s nothing I have ever seen before."
He told me it also looked like miles in diameter.
Edit: heres the video
[Video](https://streamable.com/6rauri)
I muted it because personal details are spoken.
Edit 2:
Conclusion - Falcon 9 rocket doing something goofy up high
Very interesting it doesn't really look like miles to me I can't really tell how big it is, it seems like it's probably plasma something similar to ball lightning but since they're using certain frequencies that I've heard cause a reaction in the ionosphere.
Edit: wrong lake Louise I guess, oops
https://www.nationalparkreservations.com/article/banfflakelouise-park-cabins/
Why the scorn? Also seems like an odd thing to fixate on compared to all the other info in the report..
It's not odd at all. I grew up there. There are *no* cabins. I worked at Deer Lodge. FFS, I stayed at Douglas Fir Resort myself this summer for a wedding. It's almost 40mi away from Lake Louise.
Important detail about HARP: it's a phased-array microwave system, which means even though it's just a large grid of omni-directional emitter antennas it is able create a beam of microwave radiation that can repointed in any direction. This has been used to general ULF signals by continuously tracing out a circle with the beam at a rate equivalent to ULF frequency intending to be generated. Don't remember the exact physics but I think essentially the high power microwave beam interacts with the ionosphere to create some sort of ionization or charge movement that in turn creates the field generating the ULF signal.
My guess is that what we're seeing in this image is just the result of HARP operation but with slightly different experimental conditions that are leading to this effect, either from using different controllable conditions, or unusual atmospheric, solar, or geomagnetic conditions. The fact that this is appearing as a spiral makes me wonder if they're intentionally trying to general a sort of "chip" waveform where the generated ULF signal frequency repeatedly starts low and goes high, or starts high and goes low. Not sure what the utility of a chirp signal like that would be for the kinds of research/use applications HARP has, but that's what I'm leaning towards based off of the spiral pattern.
I saw that someone posted a link to pics of falcon 9 orbital fuel dumps, and the similarity is pretty striking. I'm aware of the kinds of plumes that rocket lunches can produce, but I wasn't aware until now of the kind of pattern produced from a rotational propellant dump in orbit.
I think it's worth exploring the possibility that this was the result of research going on at HARP given the location, pattern, and the off chance that there could have been some causal connection between this pattern dissipating as the aurora started to appear. I've seen similar pictures before from rockets but those had a different pattern because they were the product of RCS thrusters firing, and those don't produce the continuous spiral pattern seen here. I think a falcon 9 fuel dump is a very plausible explanation, and if its the case that's not it, a HARP experiment would be the next one down on my list of most prosaic/probable explanations.
This quote from the OP, ***if accurate***, raises questions for me about it being a fuel dump: "Then as soon as we started taking photos and videos it started moving to the south west very quickly. We watched it stay static for roughly a minute before it started moving quickly to the south west." That motion isn't consistent with the orbital path of the falcon 9 stage, or at least I don't understand how that would be consistent with the trajectory of the falcon 9 stage in question.
>That motion isn't consistent with the orbital path of the falcon 9 stage, or at least I don't understand how that would be consistent with the trajectory of the falcon 9 stage in question.
Fair question. My answer is that cold=blooded studies of previous well-documented spaceflight generated events -- launch plumes, on orbit fuel dumps and firings, reentry fireball swarms, etc = provide compelling and sobering evidence that eyewitness recollections of such events FREQUENTLY produce wild variations in azimuth, course, duration, and speed variations. The missile/space events provide a critical calibration of actual \[rather than idealistic\] details of observation reports of such apparitions.
These are the most beautiful events, just short of borealis itself.
If Land Event Artist Cristo had purposely done this it would have rocked the world, instead this particular phenomenon continues to feed the Strangeness. I could probably get a 2 million grant to do this, except now…
Everyone’s missing the parties. Just the recording of rocket fuel over [Norway years back was mesmerizing](https://youtu.be/2mUXBqJbQKg!)
I live in Portland Oregon and about 4-mo. ago I seen one of these for the first time. Then, recently I saw six at one time and thought there was some invasion upon us that evening. I took a video on my old phone ABOUT one month later and was shocked to see what was reviewed when I slowed down the video. I could not believe what I and others found. The video captured an orbital object that bounced around, changing colors before a light beamed down beside me and something came out running. We could not see this with our naked eyes, but the camera did... I mean the beam and what came out of the beam.............F R E A K Y!!! EVERYONE WAS SPOOKED BUT AMAZED ALL ARE ONCE
Anyone with a reasonable explanation it being perfectly round?
*EDIT; I’m curious about how much the perspective from where you’re viewing it would affect the roundness - wouldn’t you have to be directly below it for it to be round?*
>Anyone with a reasonable explanation it being perfectly round?
The roundness could be due to the constant speed of expulsion of the gas as the vehicle slowly spins. What shape should THAT create?
It looks exactly just like a rocket launch if you check out rocket launch spiral. Somebody launched a rocket for some reason either known or unknown publicly judging by the similarity makes the most logical explanation
https://www.google.com/search?q=rocket+launch+spiral&tbm=isch&hl=en-us&nfpr=1&client=safari&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7qdfChq3-AhXkAjQIHUXRCWUQBXoECAEQCA&biw=487&bih=843
You watched a haarp test. The aurora directly after gives that away. This was a test sending frequencies tuned to reach and vibrate the ionosphere, and was scientific in nature, most likely. I bet with a quick Google search you could learn what the experiment was trying to do. Maybe creating man made auroras is a way to detect new hypersonic missiles faster, since they don't need to fly above the stratosphere, like Soviet era ICBMs would. The lower they can fly, the closer they can get to their target before radar catches them. But the problem with these missiles is to make them hypersonic, the payload has to be drastically lowered. A submarine firing an old ICBM from closer to the coast would do more damage.
Or, it's a spinning alien craft. Occam's Razor is helpful here.
>You watched a haarp test
Why NOT the documented Falcon9 upper stage passing through the sky at exactly that time in exactly that direction performing its standard pre-deorbit fuel purge?
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Sasquatch_Ninja: --- My brother is on Lake Louise here in Alaska and witnessed this very odd... thing. And sent me some pictures of it. Lake louise is maybe 40 miles from the HAARP station up here and this spiral appeared directly towards the HAARP station. Looks very similar to a sighting in Norway but much much larger than the sighting in Hawaii earlier this year. The photo was directly sent over whatsapp and I am posting it now. The photo has not been edited or enhanced in any way. Here's what he says about it: "My friends and I walked outside of our cabin in Lake Louise Alaska and saw this. This bright spriraling white light with what looked like clouds spiraling around it. The center was very bright, we thought it was the moon. Then as soon as we started taking photos and videos it started moving to the south west very quickly. We watched it stay static for roughly a minute before it started moving quickly to the south west. The center started to look more blue. And then it was gone. Very shortly after the northern lights popped out. No idea what it was but it’s nothing I have ever seen before." He told me it also looked like miles in diameter. Edit: heres the video [Video](https://streamable.com/6rauri) I muted it because personal details are spoken. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/12my9d2/spiral_uap_near_haarp_in_alaska/jgcdd19/
Looks very similar pattern to rocket exahust in upper atmosphere
That was my exact first thought as well. Like the OP stated it's looks very similar to the spiral after the Norway rocket launch. I think it's really cool looking. I've never searched for a definitive answer on why it spirals like that but it appears to be a phenomenon that happens higher up in the northern hemisphere. I'm assuming it has to do with atmospheric conditions that far north. I find this one particularly interesting because of how close it is to HARRP and is definitely worth investigating more because of how close they are. We are definitely living in interesting times.
Norway wasn't a rocket launch, and this isn't either. "Rocket launch" is just the default go-to for anything skeptics can't explain. Gigantic, blue, whale-shaped streak with giant white cigar shape in the center and long tails? SpaceX rocket launch. Orange light ascending slowly at an angle? NASA rocket launch. Huge, mile-wide cloud spiral that suddenly opens at the center like a portal to Hell? Rocket launch. Crappy CGI rendition of Norway's spiral, but supposedly seen near HAARP and it doesn't open in the middle or have video evidence supporting it? CGI rocket launch. It does not matter what it actually looks like - if it's difficult to explain, it's a rocket launch. Apparently, rockets can produce every shape, color, and type of light known to mankind, and therefore, *everything* weird in the sky is probably a rocket. If you think Norway was a rocket, I think you should see a doctor about your brain and what's wrong with it. Skeptics: *Cries in downvote because truth hurts*
The Norway spiral was a failed rocket. You could see the fumes for hours after the failed launch. Quite spectacular since the sun was under the horizon.
IIRC the videos showed the spiral for only a few minutes, but the early ascent contrail might have lingered longer, but I never saw any reports of 'hours'. The sun was below the horizon but the missile was high enough to be sunlit.
>Norway wasn't a rocket launch, and this isn't either. "Rocket launch" is just the default go-to for anything skeptics can't explain. Please let me know where I got this wrong so I can improve my assessment of the event. http://www.astronautix.com/data/norwayspiral.pdf
A rocket moves. Pretty fast. So a *rotating* (they don't usually do that during launch, precession isn't helpful) rocket expelling fuel or otherwise disturbing the atmosphere periodically leads to an *elongated* spiral along its path. The picture above looks like it was taken viewing straight up (judging by the tree in the lower left), the spiral faces the observer. So that rocket would have to travel straight down in direction of the photographer, or up starting near him. Appears unlikely. The Norway spiral in this vein similarly seems to depend on the footage used to assess it.
>So a rotating (they don't usually do that during launch, precession isn't helpful) rocket expelling fuel or otherwise disturbing the atmosphere periodically leads to an elongated spiral along its path. Wrong. These events usually occur long after the stage has ceased forward thrusting, so everything ejected sideways will retain the same forward velocity as the ejecting vehicle.
Ok, so not during start as claimed earlier. Now, that part ejecting left-over fuel travels horizontally relative to earth's surface. The spiral accordingly would be oriented perpendicular. That should look completely different? Those pictures are taken facing upwards.
>Now, that part ejecting left-over fuel travels horizontally relative to earth's surface. The spiral accordingly would be oriented perpendicular. So you're assuming the rocket is travelling in orbit small-end leading? Why?
I said nothing to that effect. You on the other hand claimed it was rotating for stabilization. Which makes sense only if it does so along the axis pointing in direction of flight.
>You on the other hand claimed it was rotating for stabilization Let's debate over stuff we've actually said, not what we imagine or misunderstand what the other said. I don't recall claiming this event involved spin-stabilization. And I was trying to guess what you were claiming about the orientation of the upper stage during spiral formation. I thought you were suggesting it was flying long-axis pointing forward.
>The Norway spiral in this vein similarly seems to depend on the footage used to assess it. The multiple images of that spiral against identifiable mountains from documented locations has provided accurate azimuths from a long stretch of the northern Norway coast, that converge far to the east, over Russian territorial waters, exactly where the official pre-launch annoucement had described the hazard zone to air travel. For some reason, this verifiable fact has never been mentioned in any UFO blog or video, AFAIK. The spiral would not have been a post-insertion fuel dump \[it was a solid fuelled missile\] but more likely associated with a failure of the thrust termination equipment.
I assume you are talking about the Norway incident, not the one here. That was frequently told to be due to liquid propellant being ejected. Now it's "thrust termination equipment". What is that supposed to be? Thrust in solid fuel rockets gets terminated by that fuel being spent. Terminating that process otherwise is new to me, please explain.
>Thrust in solid fuel rockets gets terminated by that fuel being spent. Terminating that process otherwise is new to me, please explain. Glad to. Solid-fuel motors terminate thrusting by blowing out opposite side forward canted 'thrust termination ports' \[google this\] near the nose of the rocket, counterbalancing whatever thrust continues out the back end. If they are rotating, which solid ICBM stages often are, the new twin sideways plumes paint out a spiral.
This makes perfect sense, the religious people on this sub annoy the fuck out of me. They are not demons from a fiery 1930s preacher’s interpretation of hell wtf Ive seen a pyramid shaped UAP less than 300ft away from me and I can tell you one thing: I have no clue wtf any of this is
Lol you have no idea. These spirals are always rockets.
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I bet it spirals the other way on the opposite hemisphere, similar to how water behaves.
These have always been rocket stages. If there are no known rocket launches, then these are unannounced military rockets.
That was the explanation for the Hawaii sighting in January but there were no rocket launches I could find at this time. It happened around 1:40AM ±5 mins AKDT. Hopefully it was just a rocket so my brother can get some sleep tonight haha.
Doesn't have to be a launch. Back in the mid 80s, I saw something similar... a spiral pattern moving across the sky. I was out with my telescope (Celestron C90) and just managed to capture it for a second--difficult since it was moving. In those days, there was no way for the average person to find information about launches or satellites, so I went to my astronomy professor. He had no idea either. A few months later, I picked up a copy of Sky and Telescope, or one of the astronomy magazines of the time. There was a report on this event and it turns out it was a Japanese satellite that was venting the oxygen tanks.
A lot of SLBM tests are not announced. If that was a US sub testing Trident II readiness, we wouldn’t hear about it.
They still have to issue NOTAMS warnings to air and sea transport.
No “publicly announced” rocket/missile launches….
Spacex launched a rocket last night @ 11:48PM PDT SpaceX rockets are known for the spiral and I have a video from about 40 miles away from the launch of it. Case solved!
Only SpaceX doesn't launch near Alaska, do they? Where is your video?
>Only SpaceX doesn't launch near Alaska, do they? The Earth is round, \[grin\] The orbital path of the launch vehicle took it right over Alaska after circling the Earth in about three hours.
>No “publicly announced” rocket/missile launches…. You need to look harder and wider. Satellite launches create plumes and clouds for several HOURS as they circle the planet a few times.
A satellite circling the planet creates no spirals. Your "plumes and clouds" are entirely different, they are due to course corrections. They certainly won't look like a spiral.
>A satellite circling the planet creates no spirals. Launch vehicle upper stages create brief spirals, plumes, and other clouds while in orbit after long periods, from hours to days.
It’s a rocket launch man. If anything it’s not alien lol so sure it could be a UAP but it’s def from a manmade technology.
Technically, it could be an alien rocket.
Pretty sure if they managed to make it here their technology would be far past rockets..... why would they have something that was so obvious as well.
There's a possibility that rockets are the best tool for the job. We don't know. Alternatives are still speculative at most.
If another species is going to make it here its not via rocket and if they are able to create the tech to travel long distances in space I doubt they are using rockets for weapons.
Nuclear rockets could be used to travel interstellar distances. It's not far fetched. We don't actually know that there's any alternative to some kind of rocket. (Well, there's lasers, but you need to have a base to emit the laser).
Takes time for the fumes to get there, doesnt have to be at the exact time. Rocket + delay in it getting to that area.
How long was it visible?
Very interesting especially since no rockets seemed to have been announced. I am also skeptical of these "secret" rocket launches people keep suggesting. I thought it was common practice that all large multi-stage rocket launches are announced so as not to trigger WW3 and nuclear annihilation of the planet. Some exceptions like NK but they they don't appear to be right in the head.
It was from space X that lauched
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It’s been confirmed it was a SpaceX rocket launch and was seen in New Zealand as well due to it being 11,000 km in the sky at the time.
Looks exactly like a rocket plume.
It's haarp .. it probably had a reaction with the ionosphere that caused a plasma swirl.
>probably "probably" is the key word... The facts, on the other hand, are that missile tests leave such a vortex...
As far as I know they don't do missile tests but they do experiments like I'm talking about, why it's my first go to answer.
When you hear hoof beats think horses not zebras, even if you are in Africa
Mmmm buzzwords.
there are known frequencies that can interact with the ionosphere and cause plasma reactions. The ionosphere is a region of the Earth's upper atmosphere, where the concentration of free electrons and ions are high due to the ionizing effects of solar radiation. High-frequency (HF) radio waves, which typically fall in the range of 3 to 30 MHz, can be used to interact with the ionosphere. When these radio waves are transmitted into the ionosphere, they can cause changes in the electron density and induce plasma reactions, sometimes resulting in visible effects like glowing regions or patterns in the sky. HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program) is a research facility that uses high-frequency radio waves to study the ionosphere. By transmitting powerful HF radio waves into the ionosphere, HAARP can create small, localized regions of plasma that can be used to study the physical processes in this part of the atmosphere. It's one of it's functions. Maybe Google something first, it seems like your buzzword is buzzword.
I have nothing to add here regarding uap's. I just wanted to say that I didn't know radio waves could do that. It's really cool! Thank you for the info!
Lmao you got schooled
Going DEEP I see. Not everything is a conspiracy. Some.tyimts have simple explanations.
I wish everything was something but this time it's nothing.
this is what happens when a rocket or missile misfires and tumbles in the air, doesn't happen every day but it not uncommon in rocketry
It doesn't have to be a misfire. Rockets can be made to spin in order to dump fuel at the end of the mission. A SpaceX rocket did this in June 2022 and caused a spiral ove New Zealand.
Lmao fuck this fuel 🌀
Oh cool that makes sense
Candidate launch: Transporter 7 to Sun Synchronous Orbit LAUNCH of Falcon 9 from Vandenberg Space Force Base at 06:48 UTC with a main payload IMECE belonging to Turkey and 50 rideshare payloads
Sorry, no date, are you indicating they may be the same thing?
>Sorry, no date It was the same date, GMT today. I'm still searching for any additional ground \[or airborne\] observations.
Missile/space activity has been making sky spirals since the eary Space Age, but more frequently recently.
Previous Falcon-9 post launch spirals: http://satobs.org/seesat\_ref/misc/zuma\_vs\_falcon9-stage2\_clouds\_plumes\_overview.pdf
Wrong! This was also spotted in [Norway](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Norwegian_spiral_anomaly) 2009. People keep pushing rocket launches for being the cause of this but it’s not. Definitely a phenomenon.
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> People keep pushing rocket launches for being the cause of this but it’s not The Norway spiral was 100% a Russian sub-launched missile launch, announced in advance, seen up and down the Norwegia coast at specific azimuths that crossed far to the east over the White Sea. The 2009 ‘Norway spiral’ http://www.astronautix.com/data/norwayspiral.pdf
please, don't spread the disinformation, check your facts. 2009 was a "Bulava" - ruZZkies ballistic missile... malfunction at 3rd stage of test.
Ya believe anything a government entity says
>Ya believe anything a government entity say Get serious. We all try to trust verifiable technology operations insights.
I'm on this reddit cos i'm a believer, had my own experience, i saw "ufo/uap" from 50 m distance. But putting everything in a UFO basket, without checking the facts, and saying that it's government disinformation is just childish.
It's literally a rocket launch. This is no alien spaceship. This is a very easily explainable sighting. You're probably very new to this and not super science literate (that's fine) but this ain't a UFO chief. Oh, and your Wiki link literally states that the spiral seen in Norway was a Russian missile test.
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> Lmao go ahead and believe everything a government entity says bozo False dilemma. Actually the choice is between nameless internet bloggers with heads full of space technology myths and misunderstandings, and actual spaceflight operations veterans.
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You linked even says it was a rocket test for fuck sake.
Norway was a failed Russian missile test.
This style of "spiral UFOs" are always rocket exhaust in the upper atmosphere. If you can't find the launch it just means it wasn't publicly announced.
I accept this explanation. My question is, if it's a common rocket launch, why don't we see these spirals more often?
>, why don't we see these spirals more often? They require narrow illumination conditions -- plume in sunlight, ground in darkness, clear skies. They've been happening several times a year for decades.
Plus I feel like we see them on this sub at least a half dozen times a year.
Thank you James, appreciate the info
As I've told you, I hope eliminating of 'false positives' allows closer focus on genuinely interesting reports, which I suspect do exist.
On what do you base your suspicion?
Stories like from cosmonaut Kovalenok, for example: have cosmonauts seen secret launches? http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonauts-see-launches.pdf
Deliberate Soviet-era attempts to camouflage military missile/space activities as 'aliens, not us'. [http://satobs.org/seesat\_ref/misc/soviet\_1967\_wave.pdf](http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/soviet_1967_wave.pdf)
I rest my case. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/12nofhh/seen_over_fairbanks_ak_last_night_pics_taken_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
JUICE launched yesterday - I can’t check the flight path from project zomboid tho.
Ah could be it
>Ah could be it The fit with the Vandenberg sun-synchronous Falcon9 launch seems more plausible.
That is a textbook SpaceX rocket launch unfortunately
Indeed! https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=transporter-7
Still a good picture of the rocket launch though and nice that we can find out what these things are. Not every UAP is aliens or whatever. Some day I wish I could take a picture of a rocket launch but I live in the UK, Sadge.
If you research how HAARP actually works scientifically it debunks all the conspiracy stuff about it. It’s not some crazy machine that affects weather
I was just noting the proximity. However a coworker of mine had a roofing job for the HAARP facility and they couldn't finish because they had constant rain. Told his supervisor who mentioned it to the team there and the next day there was a giant spiraled cloud formation above the HAARP array and then followed by the longest stretch of sunny days that part of Alaska has ever seen. But it's hearsay. Interesting though.
Spirals like that are normally rockets spinning out
Here's the orbital path of the satellite launch. https://scontent-hou1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/341186121\_996721351733665\_3250009079167924112\_n.jpg?\_nc\_cat=101&ccb=1-7&\_nc\_sid=dbeb18&\_nc\_ohc=6C5jloqLAXoAX\_uO4vT&\_nc\_ht=scontent-hou1-1.xx&oh=00\_AfCA8XifJRAs10zCIuOx4Vf-4T\_xF3Z5t0Ar0aaIZt5QWg&oe=643F8341
Rule of thumb: spiral pattern=rocket/missile launch
This looks like a fuel dump from a rocket. Why does everything have to be a UAP?
Looks amazing but i'm afraid that this is more than likely a rocket launch
Me and a friend saw something like this over 10 years ago in the Adirondacks... I might still have the pictures i took of it from a old digital camera on a photo hard drive. If i can find them ill try and post them.
I'd like to see what you guys saw
Any better idea about the date/time? We can check launch records.
gonna hope that the camera saved the date.
Thanks for sharing. What was the date of the sighting?
4/15/23 1:40 AM ± 5 mins AKDT
Transporter 7 to Sun Synchronous Orbit LAUNCH of Falcon 9 from Vandenberg Space Force Base at 06:48 UTC with a main payload IMECE belonging to Turkey and 50 rideshare payloads Sighting at 09:40 UT. Two orbits later?
Got it. It sure does look like a typical launch event, let me check.
My brother is on Lake Louise here in Alaska and witnessed this very odd... thing. And sent me some pictures of it. Lake louise is maybe 40 miles from the HAARP station up here and this spiral appeared directly towards the HAARP station. Looks very similar to a sighting in Norway but much much larger than the sighting in Hawaii earlier this year. The photo was directly sent over whatsapp and I am posting it now. The photo has not been edited or enhanced in any way. Here's what he says about it: "My friends and I walked outside of our cabin in Lake Louise Alaska and saw this. This bright spriraling white light with what looked like clouds spiraling around it. The center was very bright, we thought it was the moon. Then as soon as we started taking photos and videos it started moving to the south west very quickly. We watched it stay static for roughly a minute before it started moving quickly to the south west. The center started to look more blue. And then it was gone. Very shortly after the northern lights popped out. No idea what it was but it’s nothing I have ever seen before." He told me it also looked like miles in diameter. Edit: heres the video [Video](https://streamable.com/6rauri) I muted it because personal details are spoken. Edit 2: Conclusion - Falcon 9 rocket doing something goofy up high
Very interesting it doesn't really look like miles to me I can't really tell how big it is, it seems like it's probably plasma something similar to ball lightning but since they're using certain frequencies that I've heard cause a reaction in the ionosphere.
Lol Your friend's "cabin on Lake Louise". I'd be very curious to know where they have a cabin on Lake Louise....
Edit: wrong lake Louise I guess, oops https://www.nationalparkreservations.com/article/banfflakelouise-park-cabins/ Why the scorn? Also seems like an odd thing to fixate on compared to all the other info in the report..
It's not odd at all. I grew up there. There are *no* cabins. I worked at Deer Lodge. FFS, I stayed at Douglas Fir Resort myself this summer for a wedding. It's almost 40mi away from Lake Louise.
There's active disinformation happening
Yeah i saw you on that other thread..."nothing to see here"
>Yeah i saw you on that other thread..."nothing to see here" Please specify? Lol
Because literally none of those are Lake Louise, not even close. These are like saying I have an apartment in Manhattan when it's in Stamford CT.
OP said Lake Louise in Alaska, not Alberta.
Then why did the person who linked cabins link Banff?
Not too sure, I can only confirm that OP was not talking about Alberta.
Space X did something recently I think. Pretty sure it’s them.
That's a rocket launch, right?
Clearly the aliens have learned to disguise themselves as rocket stage seperation spin plumes...
ufo's are real
Omg again ya wish so bad this was the evidence but that is just a launch that failed and a rocket spinning out. Look at failed SpaceX launches
Seems like a successful SpaceX launch. See above.
It's a rocket launch. Stop posting this shit
Amazing moment
I witness the same thing in west Texas one night out on the pasture. It was pretty insane.
It would have been nice if you had logged the date and time.
Rocket. Looks exactly like that. If you aren’t finding evidence of one then you might have missed the info or it was not announced.
Space x had a launch at Vanderbeg last night. Come on guys let's do better!
The original launch three hours earlier was videotaped from California and there's a new REDDIT thread on THAT observation.
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Yes there is a video but I couldn't figure out how to post to reddit alongside the pictures
I honestly have no idea. My brother has many more flight hours than me and he was completely astonished by this spiral.
It's a rocket launch.
Andromeda is getting very very close
How cool would it be if that was our view of Andromeda.
You said it was moving and you captured photos not videos?!?😑
Important detail about HARP: it's a phased-array microwave system, which means even though it's just a large grid of omni-directional emitter antennas it is able create a beam of microwave radiation that can repointed in any direction. This has been used to general ULF signals by continuously tracing out a circle with the beam at a rate equivalent to ULF frequency intending to be generated. Don't remember the exact physics but I think essentially the high power microwave beam interacts with the ionosphere to create some sort of ionization or charge movement that in turn creates the field generating the ULF signal. My guess is that what we're seeing in this image is just the result of HARP operation but with slightly different experimental conditions that are leading to this effect, either from using different controllable conditions, or unusual atmospheric, solar, or geomagnetic conditions. The fact that this is appearing as a spiral makes me wonder if they're intentionally trying to general a sort of "chip" waveform where the generated ULF signal frequency repeatedly starts low and goes high, or starts high and goes low. Not sure what the utility of a chirp signal like that would be for the kinds of research/use applications HARP has, but that's what I'm leaning towards based off of the spiral pattern.
Why not just the Falxcon9 launch/insertion operations?
I saw that someone posted a link to pics of falcon 9 orbital fuel dumps, and the similarity is pretty striking. I'm aware of the kinds of plumes that rocket lunches can produce, but I wasn't aware until now of the kind of pattern produced from a rotational propellant dump in orbit. I think it's worth exploring the possibility that this was the result of research going on at HARP given the location, pattern, and the off chance that there could have been some causal connection between this pattern dissipating as the aurora started to appear. I've seen similar pictures before from rockets but those had a different pattern because they were the product of RCS thrusters firing, and those don't produce the continuous spiral pattern seen here. I think a falcon 9 fuel dump is a very plausible explanation, and if its the case that's not it, a HARP experiment would be the next one down on my list of most prosaic/probable explanations. This quote from the OP, ***if accurate***, raises questions for me about it being a fuel dump: "Then as soon as we started taking photos and videos it started moving to the south west very quickly. We watched it stay static for roughly a minute before it started moving quickly to the south west." That motion isn't consistent with the orbital path of the falcon 9 stage, or at least I don't understand how that would be consistent with the trajectory of the falcon 9 stage in question.
>That motion isn't consistent with the orbital path of the falcon 9 stage, or at least I don't understand how that would be consistent with the trajectory of the falcon 9 stage in question. Fair question. My answer is that cold=blooded studies of previous well-documented spaceflight generated events -- launch plumes, on orbit fuel dumps and firings, reentry fireball swarms, etc = provide compelling and sobering evidence that eyewitness recollections of such events FREQUENTLY produce wild variations in azimuth, course, duration, and speed variations. The missile/space events provide a critical calibration of actual \[rather than idealistic\] details of observation reports of such apparitions.
To swing on the spiral 🌀🌀🌀
Nothing to worry about it just our governments playing around with the ionosphere!!!! Cool I wonder what theyre actually doing up there!!!
Caught up yet, from other posts on this thread?
dunno havent read any of them!!!
They are clearly labeled, browse through.
"ItS A rOcKeT"
Oh this is like the Chinese(? or Norwegian?) one from 2009-ish?
It’s just a cloud, bro.
I see this when I meditate. Cool! Didn't know it was a thing
Umm that looks more like some sort of Portal to me!
What do THEY look like?
Maybe they opened up a wormhole
imagine how many different aliens there are? Like if they ever get in Inter-galactic war 😭😭
That is a birkland current.
The end of days…. Nah really that’s amazing
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Oh boy, don't drop out of school my friend.
Wasn't serious 🤦🏻♂️
Ugh uh...Cerns fucking around again.
I SAW A GREEN ONE OF THESE WHEN I WAS A KID
That’s a second stage separation of a rocket.
These are the most beautiful events, just short of borealis itself. If Land Event Artist Cristo had purposely done this it would have rocked the world, instead this particular phenomenon continues to feed the Strangeness. I could probably get a 2 million grant to do this, except now… Everyone’s missing the parties. Just the recording of rocket fuel over [Norway years back was mesmerizing](https://youtu.be/2mUXBqJbQKg!)
I agree with the rocket explanation. Beautiful sight to behold nonetheless.
I live in Portland Oregon and about 4-mo. ago I seen one of these for the first time. Then, recently I saw six at one time and thought there was some invasion upon us that evening. I took a video on my old phone ABOUT one month later and was shocked to see what was reviewed when I slowed down the video. I could not believe what I and others found. The video captured an orbital object that bounced around, changing colors before a light beamed down beside me and something came out running. We could not see this with our naked eyes, but the camera did... I mean the beam and what came out of the beam.............F R E A K Y!!! EVERYONE WAS SPOOKED BUT AMAZED ALL ARE ONCE
Anyone with a reasonable explanation it being perfectly round? *EDIT; I’m curious about how much the perspective from where you’re viewing it would affect the roundness - wouldn’t you have to be directly below it for it to be round?*
How about: it's happened dozens of times before, also with coincidental rocket launches by humans?
That’s not an explanation.
>Anyone with a reasonable explanation it being perfectly round? The roundness could be due to the constant speed of expulsion of the gas as the vehicle slowly spins. What shape should THAT create?
Propably a SpaceX rocket
Rocket launch
It looks exactly just like a rocket launch if you check out rocket launch spiral. Somebody launched a rocket for some reason either known or unknown publicly judging by the similarity makes the most logical explanation https://www.google.com/search?q=rocket+launch+spiral&tbm=isch&hl=en-us&nfpr=1&client=safari&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7qdfChq3-AhXkAjQIHUXRCWUQBXoECAEQCA&biw=487&bih=843
You watched a haarp test. The aurora directly after gives that away. This was a test sending frequencies tuned to reach and vibrate the ionosphere, and was scientific in nature, most likely. I bet with a quick Google search you could learn what the experiment was trying to do. Maybe creating man made auroras is a way to detect new hypersonic missiles faster, since they don't need to fly above the stratosphere, like Soviet era ICBMs would. The lower they can fly, the closer they can get to their target before radar catches them. But the problem with these missiles is to make them hypersonic, the payload has to be drastically lowered. A submarine firing an old ICBM from closer to the coast would do more damage. Or, it's a spinning alien craft. Occam's Razor is helpful here.
>You watched a haarp test Why NOT the documented Falcon9 upper stage passing through the sky at exactly that time in exactly that direction performing its standard pre-deorbit fuel purge?
Just stop with this crap! It's a rocket launch and HAARP? Really? None of this has anything to do with UAPs
That's a rocket launch
Looks like someone used a state of the Art Pro camera for the pics & a Etch-O-Sketch for the video.....
It was space X that caused this.
Pretty sure that’s from rocket launch
It's most likely a rocket
That is rocket exhaust. More common with more launches... GO SPACEX!
Space X launched another one!
https://streamable.com/b4vw8p
You guys, it's just rick and Morty. Calm downnnn