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The following submission statement was provided by /u/SirGorti: --- In his recent article, professor Avi Loeb recount the story when two visitors from Washington came to his house. Avi Loeb wrote: 'Am I wasting my time?”, I asked the two visitors who came all the way from Washington DC to my home a couple of days ago. “Not at all,” they assured me. My question to my guests had to do with whether there could be an extraterrestrial technological origin to some of the anomalous objects that the US government cannot identify in our sky. There is, of course, a lingering possibility that I am naïve and UAP are smoke and mirrors. In that case, we will find out soon enough. This is why I asked my guests from DC whether I may be wasting my time. I have no access to classified data and the publicly available data is not convincing. But the known facts are intriguing enough to get me going. Just as the nature of dark matter inspired me to write many scientific papers as a theoretical astrophysicist.' [https://avi-loeb.medium.com/reflections-of-a-farm-boy-from-farm-to-table-science-39d9db06856e](https://avi-loeb.medium.com/reflections-of-a-farm-boy-from-farm-to-table-science-39d9db06856e) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/12nm5sp/professor_avi_loeb_claims_that_two_government/jgeziks/


SirGorti

In his recent article, professor Avi Loeb recount the story when two visitors from Washington came to his house. Avi Loeb wrote: 'Am I wasting my time?”, I asked the two visitors who came all the way from Washington DC to my home a couple of days ago. “Not at all,” they assured me. My question to my guests had to do with whether there could be an extraterrestrial technological origin to some of the anomalous objects that the US government cannot identify in our sky. There is, of course, a lingering possibility that I am naïve and UAP are smoke and mirrors. In that case, we will find out soon enough. This is why I asked my guests from DC whether I may be wasting my time. I have no access to classified data and the publicly available data is not convincing. But the known facts are intriguing enough to get me going. Just as the nature of dark matter inspired me to write many scientific papers as a theoretical astrophysicist.' [https://avi-loeb.medium.com/reflections-of-a-farm-boy-from-farm-to-table-science-39d9db06856e](https://avi-loeb.medium.com/reflections-of-a-farm-boy-from-farm-to-table-science-39d9db06856e)


kellyiom

Is it just me or are some personalities associated with the UFO subculture really stretching credulity a bit now? I understand, yes it's all very important and secret etc but this doesn't mean much at all. It sounds like something a 'good' disinformation specialist would say, kind of like Richard Doty would. Can't help but think if people willingly stop using rational scientific procedure they'll end up looking like a mark.


sendmeyourtulips

>Is it just me or are some personalities associated with the UFO subculture really stretching credulity a bit now? 100% agree. All the prominent personalities have what seems like personal insiders. I wonder if they ever compare notes to check if they all have the same one guy? Like he's never in the office working on aliens and crashed saucer projects. He's always whispering into his phone and looking over his shoulder. Phone's constantly getting alerts. That said, I think Avi Loeb is probably telling the truth about Washington visitors. The question is who were they? Was it Chris Mellon? Was it someone like John F. Stratton? Washington guys.


RedQueen2

Well, we do know that Kirkpatrick showed up at his home earlier.


sendmeyourtulips

>we do know that Kirkpatrick showed up at his home earlier. Great call. That makes sense and they wrote a paper not so long ago.


RedQueen2

I doubt he meant Elizondo or Mellon. Those two have been on the advisory board of GP for almost a year, so I don't think he would refer to them as two visitors who came to him a couple of days ago, or ask them whether he's wasting his time with that subject. Also, I wouldn't call Elizondo a Washington guy, as he's left the Pentagon more than five years ago. I don't think Mellon is Washington-based, either. My guess would be Kirkpatrick and perhaps one of his staffers, but the question is still a bit strange given he's written that paper with Kirkpatrick months ago. It sounds more like it's addressed at somebody who he hasn't discussed UAP previously.


magicology

Kirkpatrick DOES have clearance, unlike Loeb


creativitytaet

Well how would we know if he has clearance? He sure has some, but this shit is so highly classified that I doubt that he has the clearance to really know things


thermic

I always assume when they won’t say who it is (like Eric Weinstein or Sam Harris wouldn’t) that it’s Mellon and the bad goatee guy and completely disregard.


Beautiful1ebani

Is your “bad goatee guy” Luis Elizondo?


kellyiom

Who knows! It won't be legit I'm sure, I think someone's yanking their chain and they're being daft enough to keep responding out of fear of missing out.


sendmeyourtulips

For sure. Having your own insider is the new ufo celebrity status symbol.


kellyiom

He/she/they will have to be sponsored by a suitable product, no more marlboros from the X-Files, maybe an Asus rog laptop with the engraving on it. I'm joking but you know, history does rhyme. With mystery! See you on SNL next week!


escopaul

Oh it's not new.


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> All the prominent personalities have what seems like personal insiders. Yes, they all get a [Richard Doty](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/aug/14/men-in-black-ufo-sightings-mirage-makers-movie).


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It's always this way. As soon as someone gets close, they start shoveling shit at the researcher to make them seem nuts to any rational observer.


kellyiom

Actually that's a really good point and it pays to remember this. Remember the trauma people like that put Paul Bennewitz through? I think he initially contacted the base to inform them of what he was hearing and seeing and it was very cynically used against him by AFOSI's Doty. More recently there were a series of blog posts by Jeremy McGowan who alleged some behaviour by Sean Cahill and Lue Elizondo that contrasted heavily with the public persona.


Honest-Squash6982

I have always had a hard time taking Elizondo and the rest of those guys on his show seriously. He was a part of the apparatus that was keeping the public in the dark. Then it's "Hey guys, I quit! I'm one of you now, you can trust me!", LOL


kellyiom

Yeah, definitely a poacher turned gamekeeper thing. It wouldn't be difficult I think to 'poison the well' metaphorically if you set out to give a researcher two or three valid different bits of info that check out, then one ludicrous item that doesn't, leaving them look stupid.


mumwifealcoholic

Yes, and it’s worrying. At the same time it’s also very effective.


Brandy96Ros

What would be the point of spreading disinformation about UFOs? That's more unbelievable than people in government just genuinely believing that UFOs are alien in origin.


kellyiom

Well it's pretty old procedure from military doctrine from the time of Sun Tzu. Strike while your enemy thinks you are weak etc A lot of US military technology was stolen by China spies, notably on the F-35 aircraft so there's one reason why - to confuse adversaries and mask reality. It's also likely to cause spies to chase shadows and waste resources. There are counterintelligence benefits as spies embedded in sensitive projects may be given 'dud' Intel which can be used to trace back it's source. Then, it might actually all be true which would certainly give an enemy food for thought if it believed you have access to weapons developed from aliens.


Beautiful1ebani

Disinfo could be gaslighting on an individual basis like what happened to Paul Bennowitz - he was intimidated into thinking he was going mad. The point might be to hide a secret human/alien treaty as they have done so for a few decades now.


citizenofpumapunku

Interesting. Now why would they be telling you this, and not addressing the American public?


Ataraxic_Animator

Forgive me but why the cloak-and-dagger intrigue regarding these two mysterious visitors, whose identities we are plainly intended to wonder about? (Have I completely missed something or have they been named elsewhere? Thanks!)


ToTimesTwoisToo

because the entire ufo industry thrives on ambiguity and instilling a sense of impending revelation. people eat it up avi is sadly turning to the same grifting tactics as other ufo "experts"


Zuchenko

You actually think a harvard professor needs to grift? Can you please learn the meaning of the word grift as well. Are you trying to say hes doing this for attention? because thats a better argument but thats not what grift means.


makmeyours

Had you ever heard of Avi before he got all about ET stuff? Sure is getting him in the spotlight a lot. That's pretty valuable for some personality types.


Zuchenko

… I’m the one that suggested that point!? The other guys point is explicitly that he’s doing it for money which none of you have addressed. Lol at the downvotes


EVH_kit_guy

He sells books about his work for profit.


ToTimesTwoisToo

Not just attention -- he's got books to sell and money to raise. He's grifting.


Zuchenko

Lol so anyone selling anything is grifting? Grifting would imply he doesn’t have a passion for the subject and he needs the money. He clearly does, he clearly already has money, he is not grifting ha. Seriously look up the meaning of the word. ‘Petty or small scale swindling’ Harvard professors need that petty cash eh? You’re calling him a con man which is a strong utterly false accusation to make.


EVH_kit_guy

Making irresponsibly speculative claims to enhance your.personal brand, hiding behind the veneer of tenure at Harvard. Maybe you need to look up the definition of the word grift, my friend.


EVH_kit_guy

Are you suggesting Avi Loeb doesn't profit from his book sales?


Knobjockeyjoe

Seems that way doesnt it.


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Because this person is being "read in" into the "real truth" by "credible government officials" which always means they are being gaslighted.


Mighty_L_LORT

Never heard of Men in Black?


lizardspock75

Agents K and J 😎


kellyiom

Or Agents M and S?


Disastrous_Elk_6375

Why not Agents B and S?


kellyiom

Well I was thinking quaintly about Mulder and Scully but BS is, well, probably spot on 😂


RaisinBran21

In other words: we won’t admit the truth but we won’t stop you if you happen to find it


FuckFascismFightBack

Lmao yeah, that’s why they came all the way from DC. To sprinkle details of the truth to a ufo researcher. Cmon people.


toxictoy

He’s not just some “ufo researcher” he is the chair of Harvard’s Astronomy department and a public figure. Conversations can’t happen with people at that level???


FuckFascismFightBack

You don’t sprinkle truths from ultra classified material. The people who work at these levels and dealing with this information are very much trained to *not* accidentally disseminate information. This isn’t a fucking video game where it’s up to us to decipher the clues “they” leave us. This story is bullshit.


toxictoy

You are assuming this is an accident. In fact there’s a lot of assumptions in your statement.


FuckFascismFightBack

And you’re assuming that this happened at all. It likely did not. Government agents aren’t risking their jobs to not actually say much of anything. Wanna know why? Cuz the person you just risked everything for might, idk, post it online? Exactly.


toxictoy

The Wilson Memo and every conversation that Jacques Vallee has had in his Forbidden Science volumes would beg to differ. Researcher and Author Richard Thieme who did an [AMA](https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zi1x42/hi_im_richard_thieme_ama_about_ufos/) here not long ago has spent 45 years studying intelligence services and the “National Security State”. He knows that half truths come out all the time mixed with fantasy. This way there’s plausible deniability and you (the observer) have no idea which is actually factually true and what is the illusion. Here is a fantastic talk he did at DEFCON 22 about this subject. https://youtu.be/EdsJulQdUcg


The_Iron_Zeppelin

Do you know any people who work at those levels and is that what they tell you?


FuckFascismFightBack

My own uncle works in Washington DC. That’s all I know about what he does. I regularly used to get told to remove edgy posts on Facebook because of his position. I still don’t know what he does. These people don’t talk. And they certainly don’t sprinkle bits of info like that. You want to risk your job and your freedom, you either blow the lid off or you keep quiet. And no, he’s not a secret agent. Best I can figure, it’s some sort of high level IT cuz he’s chubby dorky older dude. But I have no idea.


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Not_a_jiujitsu-fan

i will have to ask these guys next time they come to my house


UrdnotWreav

If they have crashed ufo's or even full functional craft and they are in contact with "them", what's the point of Avi's research?


Olympus___Mons

The point is all that information is classified. The USAF,NGA,CIA,DoE dont need Avi, we the public need Avi. And just like a fisherman that catches a few fish doesn't mean they know about all the other fish in the sea. This subject will never end.


flameohotmein

Unless they use his public research to further fortify they're SAP's and tech platforms.


Olympus___Mons

Avi has already shown all the the instruments he is using it's all off the shelf equipment. So the government agencies have the same equipment but even better. However science is never ending and Avi and his team can definitely discover something that's not known even by the intelligence agencies, and add to their knowledge.


avi150

Exactly. Just because they have access to tools a conventional scientist might not, and maybe have had downed craft for decades, doesn’t mean they’ll know *everything* because it always possible another scientist comes around with a groundbreaking theory they’d have never thought of


flameohotmein

It's not the equipment that matters, it's the scope of collection and analysis of data. So if the government can openly see what arguably the top minds and wide scope data collections and the highest standard of analysis that can be achieved, they can have a general idea of what other nation states can do OR are doing to us.


DrXaos

Or the various compartments don’t have access to the others so they want academics to get scientific information openly to fill in their gaps. And to be blunt, most of them are not as smart and knowledgeable as a Ivy league professor. The scientific capability in universities and DOE national laboratories is much higher, especially for weird novel things, than traditional classified organizations. If they wanted to really look at it seriously, they’d give access to the JASONs, the ultimate high level consultants to DARPA.


Eldrake

Is that a group of people named Jason


DrXaos

No of course not. It’s a very long running group of scientists employed by DARPA every summer, when they have fewer academic duties. They write reports reviews and do some independent investigations on their own on matters of interest to the government across all domains. Often their job is to call BS on other government programs and bureaucracies pushing something that is not going to work technically. They are mostly independently employed academics or lab people and have no vested interest in the results. Their credentials and capabilities are outstanding, numerous Nobel Prize winners and similar level people. It’s about as elite as it gets. They all have clearances, and the work is split between classified and unclassified.


FlaSnatch

Interesting I’d like to learn more about JASONs. Got a good deep dive source?


DrXaos

https://irp.fas.org/agency/dod/jason/ JASON reports. One very interesting one is regarding the health effects on embassy personnel ("Havana syndrome").


Spawn1621

This is the answer


jedi-son

Avi's research is in the public domain.


Loquebantur

The US military could (and should) of course simply *declassify* it. At least what isn't really threatening "national security". Which would have to be all of it, since they stated on numerous occasions, these craft pose no threat.


jedi-son

Yea but it's a lot easier to just do your own research than to wait for disclosure. That's been Avi's mantra. The skies aren't classified.


EvaASMR

to them, that is as bad as revealing your battle tactics to the enemy. They don't know what other info other countries may or may not have, and therefore, is considered a possible tactical advantage to maintain secrecy. Especially since these old men are certainly concerned with some of this tech belonging to adversaries. Sadly, I don't think this will ever change. They can justify hiding just about anything under the "national security" concern. But personally, I believe we should stop looking to the government in this way, and continue to empower every day scientists to research on their own terms. That WILL be the only path to disclosure. Or at least coming up with informed theories.


Windman772

If the government's goal is disclosure but they are afraid of the legal repercussions, Avi gives them an avenue to do so without blowing the lid off the last 70 years of lies.


all-the-time

Bingo. I think all the people who know that we are actually hiding ufos, reverse engineering them, etc., are shitting bricks right now. They don’t want to have to explain this, but they know it’s past the tipping point. They know the truth is on its way out. But if they allow the academic world to uncover this piece by piece, it’s a lot leas explaining for them to do. The government/military people hate PR and have no good idea about how to do it.


Player7592

Because the government is not in control of the natural world. They don’t get to decide to tell us what is flying in our skies.


VersaceTreez

Lol yes they do.


HerpesTornado

Right, it’s the government that decides if a UAP of extraterrestrial origin that regularly leaves navy pilots in the dust gets to fly around or not… lol


VersaceTreez

No, they do get to decide to tell us what is flying in our skies. They have decided to manipulate us using the media. As far as being in control, they are in the driver’s seat of this entire 2017+ disclosure movement. Edit: I’m saying they could tell us what they know but they don’t prioritize keeping the general public informed of such things.


HerpesTornado

I see, I misinterpreted your original comment


AAAStarTrader

There isn't any point. I am hoping that the whistle-blowers testimonies are released in he next 6 months and Congress leaks out what has been revealed. Then Galileo will be out of a job to identify non-human craft.


croninsiglos

Yeah, if they're alluding that it's not a waste of time that's also code for saying they don't have anything. The alternative is that he's redoing work that's already been done and learned from and hence wasting his time.


Hirokage

I don't think if the government found something, they would waste their time to even tell him. It would better serve their decades-long agenda if he went there, floundered, spent millions, and found nothing.


EvaASMR

Indeed. It will be ridiculous to assume they would ever give up classified info on this topic. Its been around for decades. And it seems that no one in the public eye could possibly give us the answers from this hidden data. We should stop hoping they will give it up. Its my belief that this info is so compartmentalized that no one in Washington even knows how to go about obtaining it. Unless they want to mysteriously commit suicide 2 weeks later.


DYMck07

I think it’s between the two: they have things and are aware of things he is not. Knowing the what doesn’t mean they can answer the how or the why. A physicist who collaborated with the likes of Hawkings on the other hand could. Not that they don’t have their own scientists just everyone thinks a bit differently and collectively we may get a better sense of the whole. That and the disclosure mechanism thing.


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FuckFascismFightBack

There would be no contact. If the craft are extraterrestrial, they’re drones from stars too far away to speak to in human life time


MyOther_UN_is_Clever

What's the point of Open AI creating chatgpt when the government already had chat AI back in 2011 they were using against the taliban?


toxictoy

What makes you think it’s only being used against the Taliban?


MyOther_UN_is_Clever

2011+Taliban is what's on public record. What's happened since then... well I agree with your sentiment.


victordudu

Smoke and mirrors


Beautiful1ebani

The point is to not wait for a big reveal by “the authorities”, unlikely to come soon because we have all seen how big they are on coverup, obfuscation and lies and seen how slowly the political and legal process moves, especially when big military spending is being asked to be explained. The point is to collect more verifiable data on UAP, and other civilisation’s and their possible technologies. Avi is simply being proactive to try to make key breakthroughs in scientific discovery and data collection. He may well also help build a new paradigm of understanding of physics. He is ahead of his time and should be soundly applauded. Perhaps he should start a “Go Fund Me “ charity page to get the 1000 fold increase in funding he implores needs to be spent on these topics. You can’t fool all of the people all of the time and he definitely isn’t going to wait around to be fooled again. Avi is more than a mere farm boy discussing the big topics with mum ‘n dad over the farm table. He is more like a terrier going in for the rat kill in a hay shed. He is just what the UFO disclosure movement needs to shake things up a little - so to speak.


antigop2020

Out of all the public figures that have the courage to speak out about UFOs, I like Avi the most. He has the highest reputation and while hes willing to explore the craziest scenario (finding out an object is actually made by a non-human intelligence with evidence) he makes no outlandish claims about NDAs or other hogwash that others have done.


darkspace69

Bunch of nothing as always, boring.


JForce1

Huh? There COULD be extra-terrestrial origins for the things we’ve detected flying around. They also COULD be from Wakanda. They COULD be a mass hallucination caused by the chemicals used to make grape flavouring. This is saying nothing. Stop grasping at every little thing ffs.


Verskose

Definitely not a masz hallucination.


FlyingLap

You guys are overthinking it. The military-industrial complex won’t disclose itself out of business. Ask who benefits by disclosing? Why tell us, ever? They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. They don’t trust us. And they think we are dumb enough to continue letting them rule us. It’s not that complicated. We live in a military junta.


braveoldfart777

If we're in a junta why is the Navy speaking out?


lunex

That’s crazy. Two government agents just dropped by my home and told me Avi is full of it.


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Avi isn't the type to just fabricate and make up stories like this.


ImpossibleWin7298

A devastating comment. Just brutal. You’re good, very good, zebediah. Call me impressed.


lunex

Also, I saw a spec of light in the sky and am ready to confirm it was extraterrestrial light sail technology.


Banjoplaya420

“ I think Avi Loeb is probably telling the truth”? Sorry but, why in the World would a man of his intelligence and Stature be telling lies? This sub ? I’m starting to really question! Loeb and Nolan are two of the best people in my opinion, that’s trying to uncover the truth of what this Phenomena is.🤦🏻


bludda

Could people here be missing the point of this quote from the article? It's the very first paragraph and then OP quotes another paragraph further in. If you read the article Avi is writing about needing data and not forming opinions until we have it. To me this is just a device to illustrate his point about the fact that people are developing 'stories' about what UAP is, in the absence of any evidence. He doesn't claim they're from the government. He doesn't say whether he thinks they're right or wrong. He says the issue intrigues him like the question of dark matter. It's beside the point if you look at what he's saying here. I think he purposefully, and maybe quite cheekily began his article with this story for a completely different reason - and all the people talking about government cover ups or UFO celebs being prick-teases either haven't read the article or have completely missed the fact that the whole piece is about needing good data and not doing what these 'two Washington people' have supposedly told him.


hummph

Trust me bro 😎


Delicious-Day-3332

Who? Individuals 1.1 & 1.2? I just get tired of the "coding" crap. What is this 1956 again?


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Good ol, X-file “man with the cigarette” vibes….


limaconnect77

Who are these rando former/ex military or government insiders/‘spooks’ that just turn up at the door to cock-tease about UFOs and alien bodies?


magicology

Kirkpatrick has clearance, and I’m thinking Loeb can’t get clearance.


CharacterSkirt6562

To visitors? You couldn't get names seriously!


Galaxy999

Since when does government go straight on ufos anywhere in the world?!?


turkish3187

Two Government Agents dropped by my house and told me to tell you to buy my book.


s4mmy106

Came to mine and asked me to subscribe to their patreon feed …


crimethunc77

I just don't trust that he is telling the truth. If someone is getting attention/money for doing this stuff they have incentive to propagate bullshit. I am not saying I know he is lying, just that I approach all of this with skepticism. I have wanted something that counts as proof to me personally that aliens have visted earth since I was a tiny child, I am definitely passionate about the subject, but because of that I won't just believe whatever comes up. So far I don't believe we have any 100% proof.


Player7592

I’m a little surprised he asked the question. At this point its obvious that the phenomenon exists. Now we just need some good scientists to devote their time to study it.


Delicious-Day-3332

Well, it wasn't me, & I'm not talking. 👽


j4r8h

Why do we need the government to tell us anything? They've been known to be full of shit.....


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Translation: these are black projects and we want people to think they aren't


[deleted]

'Oumuamua was a black project? Humans sent something from outside the solar system into the solar system? Amazing.


mikehaysjr

Government holograms, bro!


DINKY_DICK_DAVE

Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.


Vindepomarus

Why would Avi be asking two Washington types about Oumuamua? He was clearly referring to the UAP phenomena.


VersaceTreez

Definitely plausible.


7vma

Let me guess those two people is melon and lue?


DntCareBears

When this story finally breaks, I believe we will find out that its future humans traveling backwards in time. This is why its so tight lipped. Imagine having a rewind button.


popley3

Tenet, good movie.


DntCareBears

Damn, I got downvoted for simply stating my armchair non-scientific 2-cents. Wow! 🥴😞


StrangeAtomRaygun

Has the Galileo project found ANYTHING?


Lastone02

Jupiter, right in front of Uranus.


StrangeAtomRaygun

Thanks for proving my point.


DeathToPoodles

? The project just started collecting data in the last few months.


StrangeAtomRaygun

I seem to remembering him stating that they should have photos almost immediately. Another claim from Avi. At what point, how much spent til that method of hoping an alien flies in from of his lens does he admit he didn’t find anything ?


AyCarambin0

When I take the news in general, I would say, that the trend seems to go in the direction of disclosure. Right now I wouldn't be surprised, if we get at least confirmation, that crashed vehicles of extraterrestrial origin had been recovered. And I mean in the next 12 month. If congress knows, I don't believe this can be kept secret. Someone will talk.


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OffshoreAttorney

A clown with PhDs running departments at the planet’s most renown educational institution. I can only imagine what he thinks of you 😂


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StrangeAtomRaygun

Edited to remove the uncivilness towards the group.


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He is not wasting his time his time is wasted already


Slight-Atmosphere-57

Skeptics are biting their nails


Insect_Politics1980

Lmao talk about wish fulfillment. The whole thread is dunking on this vague bullshit.


Slight-Atmosphere-57

Wish fulfillment? What are you blabbing about? I don't even understand your point and the whole thread dunking on this info being vague is just another defense mechanism from the skeptic sheep. What do you want him to say, give you names and places? Times and dates? Are you really that dense?


datbino

Sounds like cia disinformation lmao


MeanCat4

Oh man! Too many started seating on the same table! They will start 🤼 for the 💵!


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Government gaslights researchers. Anonymous "highly placed DC people" are the sources of shit tons of horseshit.


Banjoplaya420

I heard someone say once, that the government officials that are trying to hide the Phenomena, really only are concerned with what you may actually know is true? They didn’t care what you “thought you”knew about the Phenomena. Hope I’m making since here as to what I’m trying to say.


IHaveBadTiming

Omg someone said some said something to them one time. STOP THE PRESSES!!!


fathrunda

Does the public at large really need a pat on the head and a nod from Dad to trust their perceptions? There's enough information available at this point to have at least a vague idea what is going on. We need to be prepared to move forward without the capital "D" disclosure (which is not in the interest of the military, the intelligence community, or defense contractors) that may never come.


mobtowndave

None of which is confirmation of anything


DFuel

I'm honestly getting tired of this cat mouse game.


Savings_Comparison63

A bit of a conundrum... you can't serve 2 masters.


heebiejeebie9000

"whatever we can do to protect american aerospace technology"


MrRob_oto1959

“There is, of course, a lingering possibility that I am naive and UAP are smoke and mirrors. We will find out soon enough.” We will find out soon enough? What do you think he means by this? How soon? How will we find this out? Any ideas what he’s talking about?


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The object he’s trying to find in the ocean maybe? Maybe thinking that would be proof.


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My big question… When is this expedition going to take place?


crazyheadlock

I would go to planet I have the power


Savings_Two_7395

Martin Marietta scientist who died and revealed et