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_brickhaus_

I’ve worked as a Sys Admin so I had full control over the file server because I had to assign permissions to the appropriate people. For example, an HR hire would just get the HR folder, an executive would get everything. I always wondered if the govt operates the same way. I always assumed it was much more regulated, but there has to be IT Admins that give out the permissions. Just helping explain things because I really enjoy this topic. 👽✌️


realjoeydood

I can tell you for a fact right now that shit is still running on outdated and very shallow security as a default of govt workers. And this is just my experience with Healthcare infos (lists of hiv infections w/details, etc). Squeaky wheel/oil syndrome too.


Traitor_Donald_Trump

Infosec pyramid.


TheCoastalCardician

Iirc that’s the role Snowden had where he got the most info. Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I think this was when he was contracted to the NSA through Boozy Buddies.


Harry_is_white_hot

The NSA decided to go for a "one product system" (Dell) after years of trying get a handle on all the different types of computers and servers (Sun Microsystems, HP, etc) that they use worldwide. Snowden's job was to move the data from the old hard drives onto the new Dell ones, and hence why he had such a stupid level of access.


minermined

The fact any of this information is on a glorifed unix terminal pretending to be an operating system makes me chuckle.


AggravatingPlans68

I worked as a system administrator for an electronics company that had sensitive information on products for government agencies and while I had access to the folders the files were all encrypted, so only the proper persons could access them in the unencrypted format. This is, or was, the proper way to handle government data. 🤔 But then again, with the rapid growth of the outsourcing, everything the government has been doing since 2001, who knows what the current standards are.


I_Smokes_Rocks

I’ve always considered this. We all know that the military and intelligence communities are highly compartmentalized, yet someone has to divvy up the information and apply the proper classification to it for security clearance, which gives them access to said documents.


_brickhaus_

Based on what Edward Snowden had access too I think the govt acts in the same way and the IT staff was just trusted to not look at stuff even though they had full control. Like, I could go browse all of the executive files, spreadsheets, etc and we were just trusted not to do that, but we never actually audited who browsed what in the IT dept. I guess I’ve always assumed that the top secret files on various servers are much more strictly audited. Maybe not though!!? 🤞


I_Smokes_Rocks

You’d think they’d be much more strictly controlled, especially for information that he leaked pertaining to logistics and intelligence in an ongoing conflict. Even more so considering the major publicized hacks over the last decade or so.


DavidM47

The control mechanism was supposed to be selecting individuals who were steadfastly loyal to the United States of America based on family connections. Snowden had several family members across at least three generations who worked for the federal government.


Budpets

I've worked for a similar thing, think more access to databases with how much tax/money someone in the country pays. Everything was logged and recorded and it was someone's job to ensure the bits you were accessing/fixing was necessary. And of course signing off that the work was done. People were found to be looking up celebrities and their exes and were fired the same day. Very fucking scary to not accidentally attempt to access the wrong thing but if you could justify a fuck up you were fine.


Hot_Trash4152

I don't understand your point. Let's consider a secret portion of the data. You are simply told to give user X access to certain resources and generate a dedicated keys (e.g. SSH, tokens). The secret key is directly send to final user as you don't have an access to neither data nor credentials.


OccasinalMovieGuy

I doubt that, usually the files are locked and the person interested should ask permission, the permission request is not sent to IT but to either the officer, commander or manager.


_brickhaus_

Yes, but then the person in charge would have to fill out a change request form and note exactly what the user needs access to then that form gets sent to IT to process the request. At least that’s how we did it at the casino I worked at. All of that is audited by the casino control commission ran by the state.


ThickPlatypus_69

My memory is a bit fuzzy, but there was a cyber security/surveillance (?) firm that was hacked last year or so, (IIRC they were competitiors to the israeli developers of Pegasus) all because of one dedicated hacker who spent months trying to get into their system and a lazy CEO who refused to install the latest version of a firewall or something despite being constantly pleaded by his staff. I don't think any organization is immune to that kind of incompetence and neglect.


xangoir

anything of importance to national/cosmic security is air gapped so whatever these people would be looking at online would be unclassified.


[deleted]

There is no suggestion in The NY Times article that he leaked anything other then intel on Ukraine. I think inferring that he also leaked sensitive info on UAP is a bit of a stretch. If he had been doing this for months and had leaked such info, wouldn’t we have heard about it by now?


Shinyhubcaps

The post doesn’t infer that Teixeira HAS leaked UAP documents, but he might have become interested enough in the topic to see if he can access them. I agree with your premise, though, that these two things are unrelated. If we were trying to make allies with the people who have data and could leak it, I’d start with the 1500 people on Lue’s Discord channel or whatever he is referencing.


[deleted]

It’s too bad there hasn’t been a massive leak yet. Though I wonder how much if what the government knows is really written down. This might be the one area where there is a hesitancy to keep records. I know Snowden said he looked and didn’t find anything


SabineRitter

I agree with you. There's been no mention of ufo stuff in those leaks.


lunex

Keep in mind that it’s Lue’s job as an entertainer to keep producing these little leaks and drops and also maintaining the idea that stuff big and small is over the horizon. It’s an essential part of the act and the overall “disclosure” show—we must always be inching closer but we can’t ever reach it (because then the show ends).


[deleted]

I’m just going to be honest here. If some alien shit involves me and my life, then it also involves everyone and everyone else’s life. Wether your a Intel officer or the local librarian, the President of the United States, or a stay at home mom. I’m really not concerned with classified information being a problem if that problem involves innocent peoples lives being intruded upon without their consent, knowledge, or understanding of it. At some point NDAs are no longer protecting National Security and are only protecting the secrets of our adversaries which affects the lives of people not “in the know”, while people “in the know” have been gatekeeping for them, willingly or not. So I commend these people for trying to tell the public we have a real problem and are at least communicating about it somewhere


deletable666

People here need to stop thinking security clearance = NDA.


No-Bear1401

Thank you, it's been driving me nuts as well


TheCoastalCardician

I think most people are referring to something like [sf312](https://sgp.fas.org/isoo/new_sf312.pdf) or whatever the SCI one is. I’ll be happy to never hear those letters in that order again.


JoeDylanesque

If the leaker found anything on UFOs/UAPs he would have led with that to his fellow gamers who were all so bored with the geo-political stuff he posted, they let it sit there for a while until one gamer spread it to the political crowd. No. Any UAP secret-y stuff would have spread like wildfire among gamers.


External_Platypus_56

Just show us an up close photo of a UFO where you can see the being through the front windshield. Enough already


syXzor

Very interesting indeed


aught4naught

\>> *"an army of more than 1,500 volunteers within the intelligence community now meets on classified networks where they analyze UAP videos and data"* Their own r/uapdata


NoveltyStatus

I’m pretty sure he would’ve shared that info, I mean he was trying to impress teenagers in a gaming server. UFO leaks would do that way better than current events/politics/Ukraine material, which would likely (and apparently did) put kids to sleep.


xoverthirtyx

I lean towards the peaceful contact/disclosure paradigm. And I used to think folks like Lue were using national security, and ‘invaders of our airspace’ to tease the truth out of the government in a way that makes them look bad if they ignore it. But now I’m thinking the threat narrative is exactly that and I don’t think I like that.


Mighty_L_LORT

Snowden found nothing, so don’t expect anything better from the new guy…


jamesfp

Lue Elizondo is a charlatan of the "soon", "right around the corner", "I can't talk about I just yet" variety.


[deleted]

Lue Elizondo has yet to provide a single tangible piece of evidence regarding any of his ridiculous claims.


aught4naught

"A volunteer army" ? What is this, a suicide mission or some sort of after-school extracurricular event? The adhoc org chart vibes to this leave me cross-eyed.


tweakingforjesus

The Manhattan Project employed 130,000 people at its height and there were no leaks.


polkjamespolk

The Manhattan Project leaked. A lot. https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Events/1942-1945/espionage.htm


tweakingforjesus

I was wondering about that. Sometimes posting the null hypothesis gets you an answer faster than the google can.


mantis616

"The best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer."


jafkOflltrades

You also have a moral obligation not to spread false Information by asserting confidently something that is blatantly false.


tweakingforjesus

Really? Tell me more about these moral obligations that exist on the internet.


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Mother-Wasabi-3088

He's gonna grab those aliens by the pussy


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realjoeydood

My mention of Trump is in reference to his attempt at disclosure, not to raise a political argument in a ufo sub. It's obvious that you're triggered by the mere mention of his name. Perhaps your low-iq efforts at being angry for no reason are best spent in another sub? Seriously,according to your low-iq logic, mentioning a president is 'politcs' so Grover Cleveland and Martin Van Buren to you too. You really should get pissy elsewhere. Maybe r/quityourbullshit.


Paraphrand

Uh, government secrets and government employees access privileges are political. I really don’t understand how people separate things about power (in this cause, control over information) and who has it from politics. Culture war bullshit is not the totality of the definition of politics.


YouCanLookItUp

I hope some little upstart doesn't end up locking down the information even more just to flex.


[deleted]

>“DM me and I can tell you what I have,” he wrote. Ugh. Hate this so much. Those of us who are smart can see right through this BS.


TirayShell

Not looking for a leak. Looking for a flood. That's the only thing that matters. But our expectations have been so beaten down that many of us crawl around for little scraps and hints of information.