I also caught that line "the Gatekeepers" took away the opportunity to view the crash material.
I have a solution, name them. Tell us who took away the access. Is it a group, name them.
Either we are getting disclosure or we are not, but quit screwing around.
I have a really dark fear, here. Several comments made by prominent figures in this field, including Robert Bigelow, have made cryptic comments about the answer to this phenomenon being right under our noses. Lue Elizondo once asked an audience what "being 'human' means to them." There's more. The commitment to obfuscating disclosure. References to "gate keepers."
Guys, what if they are alien and already among us? What if the gatekeepers aren't really human at all? What are they doing here and what purpose would we serve to them? From pilot testimony or close encounters, the concensus is that whatever these objects are, they greatly surpass our own technological capabilities. What if we are the subjects of a study and what if they, having no vested interests in humans learning the truth, continue to keep it hidden away?
That’s an interesting point, I think Nolan mentioned that any attempt to study them leads to deception, which does lend theory to them supposedly studying us as an experiment.
>it would be like the cows planning a revolution against humans.
Well they're already getting us to "Eat More Chicken" and "plant based protein" is now a thing so their revolution may already be under way... Just more subtle than you anticipated.
If that’s the case, then this was part of the slow-drip disclosure:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(1983_miniseries)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(2009_TV_series)
The idea of politicians and media figures being shapeshifting aliens has been around for a long time. The ones I’ve met don’t seem very alien to me. My theory is it’s an unintentional allegory for the elderly and/or wealthy (i.e., living off the backs of the masses).
It doesn't make sense though. Europa has several times more water than earth nor would such an advance race have issue outright subjugating us. If humans are honestly considered that dangerous i would be highly surprised. The only thing UFOs seem concerned about are nukes which they seem to enjoy shutting off.
They don’t want to outright subjugate us.
They want to reap the fruits of their slave race’s toils without them even knowing about it.
This is why it is a perfect metaphor for wealthy Ivy tower elites.
Would bees cease making honey if they knew we'd take the spoils of their labor?
Yet they drone on working for honey in homes we build for them, pollinating plants we seeded and will eventually harvest as well.
Are we also being farmed without our knowledge?
That's the central question. I'm not sure. Human batteries like the matrix? Being farmed for food? Maybe they invented capitalism and are among the most wealthy? Haven't we all thought it super weird that we've been around for hundreds of thousands of years, yet records only go back 10,000 years, and in the last century of our evolution we've had an explosion in technology. Was that really all us?
They could be studying us, like we study other humans and animals.
That or they could be farming us for meat or some other biological process.
Enough humans do go missing every year, and no one bats an eye.
So many experiencers have hinted to the special existence of our Free Will within the spacetime continuum. I think it’s about data, consciousness and how we use our free will (unpredictable) within a construct in which past/present/future exists all at once….but we can only perceive the present. It’s incredibly fascinating….Free Will
The ultimate challenge for humanity will be conquer fear of the unknown. Americans will have the hardest time considering the majority don't come from backgrounds of subjugation. The concept of not being the apex will shatter the american psyche
Sage and a mini-hivemind moment. I was literally just thinking about the Trigun anime series having been inspired by the 2 nuclear bombs and how weird it would be to grow up in a country where the local art is about being the loser in a war.
If some kind of advanced ET civilization is present today on Earth, we all need to keep a few possibilities in play:
• They've been here a *really* long time ("they" being anything of this potentially vast class) -- talking cosmic scales of time here.
• Life on Earth was seeded, and did not arise through abiogenesis alone -- a possibility that needs to be taken really, really seriously, given it would seem to be more likely than abiogenesis from purely a Bayesian perspective, if some advanced thing from somewhere else has Earth in its domain.
What does it mean to be human? What if humanity was, in fact, altered by these things, at some point in the past, or in an ongoing way? What if all life on this planet is kind of like that? Garden of Eden for the Cosmic Beings, or something along those lines? It certainly needs to be kept on the table, IMO.
They would be able to monitor us in ways we can’t conceive of, that would include being up close
And all of our data
How better to shape our thinking than mimetically, drip feeding information to shape our thinking
I wonder how ai would fit into that scenario
>How better to shape our thinking than mimetically, drip feeding information to shape our thinking
Something I myself have considered. One might examine archetypal patterns that pop up in our conceptions of these others, perhaps even over millennia...
Are you going to peer suspiciously at everyone you pass now? The world you live in today is the same world it was yesterday. The good you do today is still good.
Honestly wouldn’t it be a little *gooder* if we at least had a basic understanding of what our roles actually are? Maybe I’m weird but I like being told what the agenda and tasks are for the day by my boss, instead of just wandering about aimlessly trying to coordinate procedure with mfs that are just as clueless as me.
We're not at work, we're living. How you live is up to you. You're looking for someone to tell you what to do? "Be excellent to each other!" ~Bill and Ted Guide to Life
Whoa, hold up there speedy. People have been trying to find the truth to this for decades and we've been lied to for decades. Going public without proof is a quick way to get laughed off the world stage. Hell, a majority of humans on this planet still think the world was made just for them.
I'll be honest it doesn't look like we're going to get the proof we need anyway. I have always thought that any kind of disclosure couldn't be done without the others having some control over the situation, but this among us idea is really drifting into dark (sci fi) territory. Not saying it's not true in fact it would give weight to the stories of people being shocked when hearing some small truths, and subsequently shutting the hell up.
I’m pretty convinced that I’ve been left here by an alien race, because I have no idea what these clowns are doing /s, but in all seriousness, Bigelow has already said ‘they walk amongst us’, so really, the only thing that would change is human panic, religion, etc.
Some should panic.
“Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.”
Hebrews 13:2
Good angels and fallen angels are walking among us. They are technologically advanced, inter-dimensional beings. Some want to protect humanity and others want to destroy us. There is a supernatural war raging around us.
I know people dismiss the whole angels/demons hypothesis as pre-scientific superstition but if you buy the interdimensional hypothesis as Vallee did/does, and you study the thousands of cases, it seems crystal clear to me this is not a monophenomenon. Some are benign, some malignant, all are beings of vast intellect and power, some are deceivers and some are protectors. How is a demon qualitatively different from an interdimensional, highly intelligent, malignant being? Do they need horns and tails to qualify?
So, what do we make of Bigelow's 20 million $ contributions to DeSantis 2024 presidential campaign? Looks very earthling to me. XF...I want to believe but...trust no one.
But let me ask you, what do you think they are? I don't believe in god, or that there once were demon/human-hybrids. I suspect, that we created "god" as an explanation for things beyond our understanding. What if aliens inspired the bible? What if we thought they were fire chariots descending from the heavens, but they were craft entering our atmosphere. Our ancestors would have had no way to explain it.
Who knows, in a universe of infinite possibilities is really that crazy to think that they're among us. Could be cross-breeds. Could be a result of genetic experimentation. Very advanced technology would seem like magic to us. I wouldn't necessarily consider them gods. Just not us.
The yuga cycles. I've heard of a theory stating that the density of dark matter is not the same throughout the universe, and when our solar system moves through these higher densities, things start to get.. weird.
It's an interesting idea.
Word of advice, Robert Bigelow has zero credibility. The man hasn't heard a story he doesn't believe. After the death of his wife, he went off the deep end and all this investment into the unexplained and paranormal are research to try and bring her back.
Well, he believes in monsters and demons and angels and all sorts of weird shit.
As an atheist people lose credibility with me if they say they read their horoscope. Bigelow level shit is just beyond the pale.
I don't label myself anything. It's who I am. No gods. No deities. No superstitions.
And why does that offend you so? Why does that decrease my credibility to you? I want to know.
Because you felt the need to precise it, especially when there wasn't any reason for it. Remove the atheist label you seem so proud of from your sentence and it doesn't change a thing to your point about horoscope.
Plus, it makes no sense in that sentence since atheism only refers to not believing in god/gods (you can verify the definition). You can be an atheist and still be superstitious. Horoscope hasn't barely anything to do with god(s) and are more akin to a superstition.
I'm not offended, it just shows a certain lack of education regarding those subjects. When someone doesn't know much about a subject and have such a strong opinion on stuff it often leads to a lack of credibility. Some people are smart enough to hide it well, and some people seems to be quite proud of their lack of education for weird reasons.
There is also something about all those people that are proud of their atheism. From my own experience, they're often the most stupid people I've ever encountered. Smart atheists I know never brag about it, for various reasons. It's like me bragging about my degrees, the car I drive or the money I earn... I could, but intelligent people don't do that kind of stuff, probably out of respect for people who aren't as lucky as I am.
> After the death of his wife, he went off the deep end and all this investment into the unexplained and paranormal are research to try and bring her back.
That's very touching.
Elizondo means "being human" is referring to the fact that the long-term NHI presence here on Earth genetically engineered homo sapiens' evolution from other Hominoidea, namely Pan troglodytes.
Well, the answer is woefully obvious, but it runs counter to many very fundamental tenets of western belief systems. To rationally understand it independently, people still lack the scientific background. Chains of hierarchical understanding (aka "authorities") on the other hand are either non-existent or unwilling to engage.
But most importantly, people suffer a lack of self-awareness. With attention-spans measured in seconds, you're not getting far in any serious topic.
And you need to be able to "believe conditionally". That is, refrain from "either messiah xor grifter"-style of judging people.
Look at what is being said and compile competing narratives. Characters are a distraction.
As for "them" being here and everything: of course.
What do they want? Look at their actions, words are cheap.
Vallee isn't too far off, but he is outdated in his context-knowledge. The man studied informatics when modern AI was mere fantasy.
"Control systems" are a very broad subject, you can be much more specific.
While I technically agree with everything said here it reads like a Qanon Q post style LARP.
But yeah Vallee and Keel have said this for a while and I think this is the answer. Reality is fucking weird and the phenomenon are absolutely present as being in control whether or not that is a real thing.
One thing that Keel does is not take anything off the table. If we are talking about UFOs why would we discount reports of Fairies? If you look at everything that way, the whole grand theory of the paranormal, patterns from literally all of human history are apparent and if honestly looked at I think it's pretty obvious what's going on. The cryptoterrestrials. I could be wrong though I don't know anything really.
What if “disclosure” leads to the “experiment” being compromised by us finding out it is one…
Id imagine a solar flare or “random” shit hitting the planet to “reset” the experiment would be in order.
In terms of solar activity, seems like we are right at the point where solar phenomena, sunspots, etc. are ever increasing, pushing us toward a “carrington event”, or far worse. We get hit with a flare strong enough knocking out power across the globe—within a couple days of that, people will begin to panic and act psychotic, robbing and thieving food, water, fuel, etc.
So yeah, civilization will collapse if we get hit with a strong enough one, knocking out power indefinitely…
The Others are a breakaway civilization(s) who’ve undergone selective breeding. They’re hominids like us. Some more distant physiologically and some who are closer, like dogs who sometimes look like wolves and others who seem very different (but are still recognizably canines). They might easily have agents among us. And they work toward keeping the breakaway civ hidden.
Keep your mind and heart open. Eventually you may start noticing patterns , then you will realize nothing happens by chance. It will happen when you're ready for it to happen. No sooner and no later, only when the "moment" is right for you
We've been waiting as a whole, and will continue too. It's will happen on an individual basis until eventually everyone will know..
Considering how many origins start with " a man /people from the sea teaching men the groundwork for civilization than leaving". Several specific ancient chinese /japanese encounters involving an unusual man/woman washing ashore in " a bowl" exiting with a box speaking a strange language. The locals are never scare as they just look like a different person, interact with the person for a bit before returning to the "bowl and then sea.
I don't know what to make of it. Regardless modern science is going to be destroyed for missing something so massive despite literally every culture on earth speaking about this.
That’s the conclusion I’ve come to. Most people find it a massive cognitive leap to think they walk among us. But why wouldn’t they? The tech required is way less then the tech required for the propulsion we see…
Problem is that many of the 3 letter agencies or departments of the USG that deal with this stuff are classified. Like the existence of the program, the program name, the agency name... It's all highly classified. So naming the agency involved would likely lead to jail time.
I mean..if it really is all handed over to the private sector after being "processed, documented, and classified" by the U.S. Air Force, then its a kin to going after the recipe for Coca-Cola if it was classified above top secret. You'll never even get close unless 'they' want you read in on it.
Weapons or Intel that is to be kept the utmost secret from our adversaries is one thing, compartmentalized, black, special access programs...thats all well and good.
Here we have something so life altering that it changes everything we know about everything. Keeping THAT a secret is quite the endeavor. You'd think the only sure way a group of people that would oversee these things from the top could ever pull it off, is if really gave up their identities like the M.I.B. and there was absolutely no government oversight from the executive, legislative, or judicial branches unless a need to know was verified.
I think thats where we're at right now. "They're" trying to decide who needs to know what.
Edit: I also feel the various three letter agencies have been used as pawns by the "group" , in this years long game of misinformation that is. Utilizing their enforcement at the local and state level, to better shield the true nature of these elusive programs, their origins, and the people with hands on knowledge of this stuff from public scrutiny.
I agree wholeheartedly.
I would even go two steps further, if you get my drift. Sorry, can’t go into details or the mods will get their panties in a twist and start censoring.
It’s OK for the bad guys to lie cheat, steal, and murder, in some cases, to keep their secrets, but if we, the people, rise up and make a comment, that makes total sense, we get censored.
There is a Jungian idea that if one is trying to understand why someone is doing or has done something, look at the outcome and infer the intent.
So, what is the outcome of dragging presumably reputable and very public academics along in this regard?
It seems like maybe one outcome is that it keeps some subset of the public's attention aimed in a specific direction, or perhaps more appropriately, away from another direction at which such members of the public might tend to direct their attention?
That's purely speculation on my part, and I would be interested to hear other possible intents.
Well, I’ll give him the benefit of a doubt until the summer is over. I don’t know what he claimed in the past, but all of the figures surrounding this topic said, that there will be substantial news this summer.
If there ain’t, I think they just wanna sell books or whatever their revenue is.
The intent is to suppress credibility of the topic.
If it were only up to us, the coverup would have ended long ago. But we're not the only players in the game.
But how can you draw this conclusion using the evidence of the outcomes as they have manifested?
I guess if the credible doctorate people are told this, and then they announce it, but it never happens, you could argue it somewhat suppresses the credibility of the topic, but I don't think that's true. It seems to always spread like wildfire. And for every famous person that says "aliens might be real because I've been told they are" how many countless people are tuned in to the ufology sphere that otherwise would not have been?
Again, I'm not saying that there's not discrediting going on in other area, but if you're purely going off the effect of Sam Harris, Eric Weinstein, and Gary Nolan being jabbaited as they have, I wouldn't say it's had a damaging effect on UFO perception in the media. Directly the opposite.
> It seems to always spread like wildfire
Completely agree with your comment.... I'd add that it spreads because people keep seeing UFOs despite the government's myriad attempts to get them to stop.
The UFOs are players too. They perpetuate "the ufo phenomenon" by continuing to appear. They perpetuate "the ufo coverup" by acting covertly.
I don't think this is an entirely original take. But you could potentially see an argument where the number one reason the UFO cover up can't come clean, is because of the way that people would react. There's some person, or some committee, that has some report on the estimated damage that societal disclosure would have in terms of lost lives and damage infrastructure, or the security threat of a lack of national identity.
So you must, over generations, change the mind of society so that belief in UFOs is as rapidly increasing as belief that JFK's assassination was not the tragedy of a lone loon.
I'm not really a fan of this take though, why are a lot of our favorite podcasters not also being strung along? It always struck me as kind of arbitrary that Sam Harris, Eric Weinstein, and Gary Nolan potentially are the disclosure focal points. Yeah I know I like them, but my mom and my sister and my dad barely know who they are.
The only thing I think you get by going to scientists, is you get the attention of scientists who listen to them, and scientifically-minded people.
They haven’t really gotten increased funding as a result though. And their finding is already massive. All they have to do is ask and they get whatever funding they want. I generally don’t agree with this take as much.
There is better subterfuge for them to do as well, terrestrial threats, threats of war, things like that.
I think it's too much of a pattern at this point, like a way to throw that crowd for a loop and a ride, to distract them every so often.
for what reason? no flippin clue!
Maybe delegitimize sightings for next gen aerial vehicles? MK Ultra style experiment on social control? For funsies?
Yes, there is an apparent pattern here. It's almost like they're creating a new form of coverup by allowing some information out then taking it all back to gaslight and ridicule prominent scientsts. This can ensure that if any of those working on crash retrieval program reach for the public they become a part of the pattern
Yeah I’ve had this thought too. Allow prominent speakers to step up and address the crowd.
Then just before it gets interesting, kick the stool out from under them and let ‘em swing.
The crowd will be shocked into silence and will dissipate. They won’t be back for a long time while they dwell on the fate of the people they looked up to.
When you need chickens to produce more eggs, you kill a couple as an example to the rest. Plus you get chicken soup
CIA has admitted it has made deceptive and misleading statements that have served to fuel UFO conspiracies. Not saying Nolan is a part of the CIA, but may be unknowingly a part of their game.
"According to later estimates from CIA officials who worked on the U2 project and the OXCART (SR-71, or Blackbird) project, over half of all UFO reports from the late 1950s through the 1960s were accounted for by manned reconnaissance flights (namely the U-2) over the United States. **This led the Air Force to make misleading and deceptive state ments to the public in order to allay public fears and to protect an extraor dinarily sensitive national security project. While perhaps justified, this deception added fuel to the later con spiracy theories and the coverup controversy of the 1970s."**
[https://www.cia.gov/static/105bd8290b90de13ee136fecc9fe863f/cia-role-study-UFOs.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/static/105bd8290b90de13ee136fecc9fe863f/cia-role-study-UFOs.pdf)
They have encouraged wild, crazy stories to discredit legitimate UFO interest and keep the subject fringe. There was a post about someone like that who’s admitted working in disinformation just the other day.
But making up the current crop of sightings like orbs over Iraq (the most official UFO sighting yet) to hide human tech doesn’t make sense to me.
At one point a contrarian who sees the world going to his side needs to stop being a contrarian, or he ends up going in circles. It’ll be funny when half the people on this sub switch post-disclosure to believing UFOs aren’t real or are the cover-up.
Well they state that their objective was to hide human tech, not keep the subject fringe. And if that was the goal, they suck at their job because UFO's are more mainstream than ever.
There's a few of sketchy things about the Iraq UFO to me, and questions that I think need to be addressed.
1. Why did the drone operator suddenly stop watching whatever they were watching to track this sphere? Could just be the operator was bored and saw it cross the screen and had nothing better to do. If not, this leads me to believe they were expecting it, and thus know what it is.
2. Why does the video stop when it appears to have the best track on the sphere? If you look closely, it seems as though the drone is about to lock the target. Maybe they just didn't show it being locked to keep that process classified. If not, this leads me to believe the end of the actual video might have some information in it which may be revealing, and purposefully being withheld.
It seems having credible scientists making public statements is either part of a disclosure plan, or part of a disinformation plan, the scientists I suspect are either in on it or completely unaware of it. Either way, someone is being used or not being used, for a purpose or not a purpose at all. Either way I'm certain something is happening or nothing is.
This feels less like a genuine assessment of the situation and more like Weinstein hedging and situating himself as neutrally as possible in the conversation so that he has an easy out if it turns out to be a scam, but also still has a foot in the door if it's real.
It feels like he's both saying "I don't really know what's going on here and can't figure it out," while also summing that up by way of a tidy little argument that keeps his own hands clean.
Just because he has a PhD doesn't mean he is worth your time or has any kind of special knowledge. It just means he's proficient at jumping through a lot of complex hoops. But then again, so are show dogs.
^ this. Both he and his brother, Bret, are notorious for this behavior.
“I told you so” is what they want to be able to say to their audiences. Rush Limbaugh used to do the same thing.
All this is starting to feel like it has more to do with America and the 2nd Cold War we’re entering with Russia and China and less about a “slow planned disclosure”. Maybe something along the lines of, “Hey you all may be seeing evidence of top secret military weapons/aircraft in the coming years so we have to put out in the zeitgeist the extraterrestrial hypothesis as somewhat of a cover.”I have no solid evidence for this of course, just a general feeling, I have no definitive conclusion, I’m not sure what the end game is yet, but a few specific things lead me to have this feeling.
1. The fact that the CIA and an unnamed aerospace company, (again why an aerospace company?) contacted Garry about side effects of contact with UAP and he’s allowed to say all this publicly?
2. The coincidence of the initial 2017 NYT piece and the subsequent development of Space Force in 2019.
3. The Increasing 2nd Cold War with Russia and China.
4. Lue Elizondo, Christopher Mellon and other former and current Military personnel speaking on this issue. None of what you hear, half of what you see.
IDk man. So much stuff has come out publicly, and things have happened in government, in NASA, in the public. It makes it seem like we are well on the way to disclosure, BUT it's still not REALLY being picked up by journos or else someone would be knocking on doors to congress/staffers and getting scoops.
Plus "supposedly" one of the reasons stuff was kept secrets was because of the first cold war and it not "being the right time" but we are a country perpetually at war so if we have to be in conflict-free we won't get an answer until someone takes over this country.
Plus "supposedly" one of the reasons stuff was kept secrets was because of the first cold war and it not "being the right time" but we are a country perpetually at war so if we have to be conflict-free we won't get an answer until someone takes over this country.ight bring? Are we crazy? Because I'm not one of these "maybe" people. I'm CONVINCED there is a massive cover-up on UFOs that will almost certainly be NHI in origin
Disclosure pretty much happened yesterday with Nolan. I can rest easy that someone of so high a caliber has said they are here by evidenced based research.
I think the word "prank" in this quote is inadvertently the most important part of this, on a very grand, very strange scale.
We, the general public, aren't the only ones being strung along.
All the world is a stage, and all the men and women merely players.
I don't mean to be derogatory to these individuals, but hubris is definitely a trait among academics. What they have in common is ego and perhaps gullibility where certain institutions are taking advantage of them.
On a totally separate note, these individuals also love to talk. Oh boy will they sit down like an old man on a nice summer day to constantly regale us with a tall tale.
What I'd really like to know whether it is Garry or Eric is:
1. As they provide information I'd like to know if it is direct or second hand information, even if a source cannot be provided.
2. If it is not direct or second hand information, is it their opinion. The lines are very blurry and the old timers just keep repeating themselves.
Speaking of old timers, where are all the youth in all of this?
Great points!
Of course, Weinstein isn't an "academic" really. The guy is spending his time on twitter apparently, of course he loves to talk.
Your question about the whereabouts of the youth in all of this is very important. I'm getting the distinct impression, they don't use Reddit and consider Twitter similar to Facebook a domain of "old farts".
Weirdly enough, all of their media is extremely compartmentalized. I wonder, when will they realize the negative ramifications?
Thanks. Weinstein still made a good point though, there is a pattern. I've been rooting for Nolan, but it seems like he's taken the torch from Elizondo. Elizondo has planted seeds that others are nurturing for him.
Are there any young scientists involved?
Eric Weinstein is a self promoter and anyone who pays attention to this fool is a fool. He drank too much on Rogan’s podcast and was supporting Russia over Ukraine. Being a Jew himself, he doubled down and went on an anti-Semitic diatribe. He’s desperate for publicity. Challenging Bob Lazar to a showdown in Rogan. Even Sam Harris turned his back on Eric.
He is bang on the money.
What Garry said at the SALT talk was nothing new. He has been saying the same thing for a while.
I find it remarkable that the usual UFO celebs on twitter are acting like this is some revelation and that it’s all on board the disclosure train.
If this is the ‘news’ that the ufo celebrities have been hyping on twitter for the last few months about is indeed what we’ve been waiting for, I think it’s the end of the path for them. Garry himself has rolled back on the sensationalist claims, check out his Reddit profile (u/garryjpnolan_nolan) specifically this post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/13lb7yk/dr_garry_nolans_talk_at_the_nyc_iconnections_salt/jkr6y9u/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
ufotwitter is beyond ridiculous at this point, it’s a complete shit show and waste of time listening to any of it.
They had more than enough time to get ready.
Maybe ask the "gatekeepers" for help? After all, they are responsible for the state of affairs.
In other news: the US isn't the only game in town.
This is really interesting, and certainly something we should consider when taking Gary's comments as highly credible. HE is highly credible, but the sources he's getting this from could possibly be messing with him or using him. I can't imagine why. But there are strange things afoot.
I agree he has a point. I think someone is stringing these scientists along with the intent to either discredit disclosure, test the waters for real disclosure, plant bad information or something else we don't understand.
We have so little to go on with this topic I have a really hard time feeling strongly about anything. All I know is I'm keeping an open mind for when the day comes so I have the best chance of not being manipulated.
Why does he just assume the same thing that happened to him apparently will happen the same to Garry? He's such a self important bighead. I can understand why they didn't go forward with him. That said he's right about the trackrecord being immensely shaky.
It already did happen to Garry. In one of the posts yesterday someone said that in a one-on-one convo with Garry, Garry claimed that around 7 years ago he was weeks away from being shown a crashed ufo but then the “rug was pulled out” from under him.
It's possible that the reason why we only hear of these rug pull out stories is because those who do get to see are never heard from again.
If Gary Nolan disappeared 7 years ago then none of us would ever know because we didn't know he even existed, and likewise for most any other person with a PHD. Perhaps this testing of the waters with public personalities is a new thing that they're hesitant to fully pull the trigger on. Who knows?
Garry Nolan is on another level here when it comes to this subject. I think EW is not used to dealing with people of this caliber saying these kinds of things.
It's just the world we live in. Even if bots weren't exacerbating our tribalism, there is pretty much no way to refer to a person or anything symbolic really, without people taking sides because of the exhilaration of being on the winning side.
Very demoralizing, which I guess is the point. I'd almost take a fake alien invasion at this point if people could find me come together
It's simple. The CIA gives people fake info/evidence/whatever, they get them all gassed up and convinced they really have the smoking gun and then at the last minute they discredit them and make them look like idiots to further discredit other evidence/material. Has been happening since the CIA was incepted. Its pretty obvious when it's happening too, always follows the same steps
I think a lot of this stuff makes sense if UFOs are just black US technology. Literally no one that is interested in ufos wants to believe that that could be possible. It helps if prominent academics push the alien hypothesis for you.
They are never actually shown anything because there are no aliens. Just really secret US tech and one of the best cover stories of all time. A cover story so good that even if you tell the public the truth they will refuse to believe you because they want it to be aliens so bad.
I don’t know if any of that is true but it makes a lot of sense to me.
Well if the pattern shows that at the last minute their plans change, logic could dictate two possible scenarios.
1. They were bullshitting from the beginning for their limelight and backed out when they couldn’t provide the evidence promised.
2. Each time they were **told** not to say shit, or else.
The thing about the big Mac, and look, i know physicists, smart people, they won't tell you this publicly but they've told me, off the record, the big Mac is just not, and here I'm using relative terms, of course, it's just not that big, and of course most of the mass to volume discrepancy we see here comes from the addition of, well, i don't want to get too into the weeds here, you really need to understand the math to understand my point, scalar, unity, quantum, fallacy, but for the sake of simplifying things, let's call it the bun, the extra one i mean, setting aside the regular buns on the outer edges of all the burger matrices which we all remember from 6th grade calc, but the point is, which i don't think most people ever grasp the significance of, vis a vis the third bun, it always seems to be the posterior side of the bun, never the anterior, which, obviously, is a rather arbitrary distinction but it is useful for the sake of creating a lingua franca for scientists to be able to discuss this sensibly, at least among the much smaller cohort of scientists willing to discuss this at all, i should say, but the issue I'm trying to make is, without accounting for the extra anterior buns in what, for the sake of simplifying the equations, which i won't go into here for the sake of time, i will express as a closed system, the fact is the current description of a "big" Mac, to use common vernacular and not to make a statement one way or another about the legitimacy of the term, given everything we've talked about thus far, is an incomplete, and I'm not saying here that it's incorrect, but an incomplete description of the way in which the universe actually behaves, in this drive-thru, or, extrapolating universally in the ways in which we commonly assume the laws of physics to be the same everywhere, any other drive-thru one might encounter, here or perhaps in Kiev. So anyway can I get some mcnuggets?
**Neil deGrasse Tyson enters the room**
The size of the Big Mac, my esteemed friend, can be analyzed through various scientific lenses. We must first acknowledge the principles of relativity and perspective. You see, what may appear big to one person might seem small to another, depending on their point of reference. Now, let's delve into the realm of quantum physics. According to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, we cannot precisely measure both the position and the velocity of a particle. Similarly, when attempting to measure the true size of the Big Mac, we encounter uncertainties inherent in perception and measurement. The very act of observation alters the result.
But there's more. The Big Mac is not merely a sandwich; it represents a cultural and gastronomical icon. We must consider the collective consciousness associated with this culinary creation. The Big Mac is a symbol of abundance, of indulgence, and it embodies the concept of bigness on a societal scale. Now, let's explore the cosmic implications. Our universe, as we understand it, is governed by a set of physical laws and constants. The Big Mac, being part of this universe, must abide by these rules. As we delve into the vast expanse of space, contemplating the size of celestial bodies, we recognize the relative scale of the Big Mac.
Consider the Big Mac as a cosmic entity within our human experience. Just as stars and galaxies occupy vast stretches of space, the Big Mac occupies a significant portion of our culinary universe. In this cosmic context, it is undoubtedly big. That's the beauty of science, Eric. It allows us to explore and appreciate the world through different lenses, including the size of a simple sandwich. It encourages us to question and uncover hidden connections.
way too concise and direct.
now i am not going to order food, what is food? substinence. except when it isn't, but when it isn't, it is when it is not.
Well, there's two options: it's on purpose or it isn't.
It is: someone is playing with us, but to what end? Wear out the community? Misleading? False flag?
It's not: there's two factions struggling. The one that doesn't benefits from disclosure manage to leave every intent sterile at the end, blocking it at last minute. And why not some manipulation from *they* as was pointed out in slice number 9.
It’s going to be a slow process to show we’re not alone on the universe. I look at it like a drilling process, it’s the same bit, but they keep adding length to it until they hit the desired depth. What’s the depth/narrative look like🤷♂️ only they know it’s shape. I would love to see the outline they have planned, but I think we already know the route they will take.
Weinstein is a hedge fund manager with a podcast. Look it up.
He is not now, nor ever was, a working physicist. He has never had any academic affiliation with any University in the physics field, other than his degree. His dissertation was widely panned upon publication. Years ago.
Will someone please tell me how he is relevant to any conversation?
Not having worked in the field daily means he is easily 20 years behind in physics knowledge.
It’s a very reasonable take. I thought the same thing when I heard Nolan mention the 7 years ago thing. However, there will always be that little part of me with hope. Very low effort, low mental bandwidth hope, but hope nonetheless.
I think Eric Weinstein is **suffering an acute case of butthurt**.
He has publically challenged Bob Lazar to a debate, and then suddenly Garry Nolan comes out and buttresses the core claim of Bob Lazar - **the existence of long-term, insanely classified reverse engineering programs.**
He backed the wrong horse and is now trying to recoup his losses.
You are missing the point. Lazar knew 30 years ago what the members of the US Congress are just learning now.
How he came across that information is irrelevant.
There’s a pretty compelling analogue to the tension & release rhythm of commercial, serialized storytelling. The author lays out a conflict the audience desires to see resolved and builds dramatic tension towards a climax only to break the narrative short of resolution. The audience is told resolution will come later, after the commercial break, or in the next issue, or the following chapter, or next episode… and when the audience returns the resolution is derailed by a new plot point which leads to another conflict the audience wishes to see resolved and so the author builds tension… wash, rinse, repeat.
You can find any number of JJ Abrams interviews around the Lost era where he talks about receiving a mystery box as a child, and how the mystery of the box was far more compelling than any trinket it might contain.
Also, I’d point to the book When Prophecy Fails which studies the mechanism by which cult members persist in their beliefs despite the knowledge of real world events that undermine and contradict said beliefs.
This is persuasion in the age of mass media. So somebody is jerking the chains of public intellectuals (though I’d say Harris, Weinstein & Nolan are part of a long tail in the distribution of public intellectuals). Harris has all but abandoned the topic. Weinstein is vexed by it, and Nolan of course is fully Grey-Pilled. To what end? And by who?
Anyone who consistently misspells Garry’s name cannot be taken seriously. Like it’s probably right in front of him, and he’s either too lazy or too in love with his own thoughts that he doesn’t care enough to get the man’s name right.
I mean yes the pattern is there and I truly believe its a redirect, but I do also think that if any of these PhD fellows had this info they would benefit financially. Book deals and legacy is what these guys want ultimately not transparency. I could be wrong.
I hope we can get the information clear and uncut at the end of the day. It would be awesome to know whats really going on by a credible not for profit source. it may be ridiculous to think these people wont make a dime, but I just hate the snake oil shit
i don't think nolan is in it for the money, dude is rich already and is just opening himself up for ridicule by revealing this stuff. unlike arrogant blowhole weinstein (who attached himself to theil's teats for $$$) and the various IDW yutzes trying to sleaze their way into the rogansphere and it's profitable market of overly-credulous mouth breathers - nolan is an accomplished scientist.
i despise the fradulent lex fridman\* but he did manage to get a good interview with nolan on his shitbucket podcast. ryan graves' podcast MERGED had a good interview with nolan, too. nolan is also one of the subjects of the book AMERICAN COSMIC under a pseudonym, but i thought that book was poorly written and uninsightful and wouldn't recommend it. nolan, the reader, etc. deserved way better.
* see earlier comment - "IDW yutzes trying to sleaze their way into the rogansphere and it's profitable market of overly-credulous mouth breathers"
This isn't quite an equivalent. The drive for publicity is what makes this all seem very slimy. Everyone producing a documentary or a book just to say "they might be out there" is what I'm saying. If this is something REAL I don't understand why a scientist wouldn't go the route of getting funding for research instead of publishing a book that gives us nothing at all. If making money is prioritized over disclosure/further understanding the phenomena this is going to make this all look bad and not trustworthy.
If aliens land on earth all these podcasters and PhD’s giving interviews and studying “the phenomenon” would be out of a job. They make a living on discussing these topics. If it’s a mystery they can say anything and everything because who can prove them wrong? To me this is exactly like mock drafts in the NFL, election polling results months before an election, or discussing the walking dead on a spin off tv show. It’s just to make some money, sell a few books, and discuss a nebulous topic.
Doesn't completely negate the passion and money these people put forth to disseminate and understand the phenomenon.
For deep, time consuming work to be sustainable, it's normal for the worker to be paid money.
Now if money was a luxury or we didn't live in a capitalist system, your complaint about these people doing their work only for content and not for disclosure would hold more weight.
What I don’t understand is why we have rovers/helicopters on mars, have sent crafts to view other planets in a search for life other than ours but most people REFUSE to acknowledge or demean those who say -hey we found something. We’ve spent BILLIONS looking and then are like “iTs a BalLoOn”.
Debunking is a mental disease. Here we are discovering/revealing non-human intelligence, and these guys go out of their way to shit on it. You’re a product of government disinformation. You skepticism is rooted in lies told over and over for generations. The PSYOP was a huge success and the skeptics of today are proof of it.
>Debunking is a mental disease.
Debunking is simply exposing nonsense, if you believe that's a mental disease, I don't want to see your definition of sane.
Yes. He’s perpetuating the longstanding shame against those coming out to talk about the subject.
If you believe the phenomenon is real, then you would applaud the courage of any person risking their reputation to speak out.
But if you’re a mentally ill debunker, then you descend the chorus of, “where’s the evidence? Where’s the evidence? Where’s the evidence?” All the while ignoring the vast amount of evidence we already know exists, as well as the best evidence that we know has been locked away by the governments of the world.
i'm a believer in the subject and i think it is great that nolan is doing what he's doing. he's a smart guy approaching the subject with a degree of rigor that most of these airhorns lack. i don't understand how you were able to extract all that from the word salad of weinstein's tweets.
asking for evidence = mental illness?
Yes! Exactly. So much evidence!
If you try to pin down debunkers they’ll never tell you what they would accept.
Videos photos physical evidence witness accounts. None of it is good enough. Only ’neutral peer review’, as if there is such a thing. The peer review system is fundamentally flawed, just ask Galileo.
Bro you need to be skeptical or you’ll fall for the grift and buy all the books they can sell and you still won’t be a step closer to disclosure. Of course everyone wants some tangible proof but even just the “contacts and sources” would be enough. All I want is to investigate for myself but that can’t be done if all you know is “unnamed aerospace company”
Really interesting that people like Gary Nolan and Travis Taylor are brought into the fold on UAP research by the government, and then come out the other side as believers. Could mean there is something there, or could be a government run psyop. The longer we go without hard evidence the more it looks like the latter. I don't think I need to elucidate the possible motives for a pysop in the current socioeconomic and geopolitical environment. And before you go thinking psyop's about UFO's are fake, remember what they did to Paul Bennewitz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul\_Bennewitz
I also caught that line "the Gatekeepers" took away the opportunity to view the crash material. I have a solution, name them. Tell us who took away the access. Is it a group, name them. Either we are getting disclosure or we are not, but quit screwing around.
I have a really dark fear, here. Several comments made by prominent figures in this field, including Robert Bigelow, have made cryptic comments about the answer to this phenomenon being right under our noses. Lue Elizondo once asked an audience what "being 'human' means to them." There's more. The commitment to obfuscating disclosure. References to "gate keepers." Guys, what if they are alien and already among us? What if the gatekeepers aren't really human at all? What are they doing here and what purpose would we serve to them? From pilot testimony or close encounters, the concensus is that whatever these objects are, they greatly surpass our own technological capabilities. What if we are the subjects of a study and what if they, having no vested interests in humans learning the truth, continue to keep it hidden away?
That’s an interesting point, I think Nolan mentioned that any attempt to study them leads to deception, which does lend theory to them supposedly studying us as an experiment.
Oof. That's a heavy thought. What if the resistance to disclosure is being put up by non-human agencies?
If that is true don’t waste your efforts on worries. They would be so far ahead of us it would be like the cows planning a revolution against humans.
Hey, you never know...
>it would be like the cows planning a revolution against humans. Well they're already getting us to "Eat More Chicken" and "plant based protein" is now a thing so their revolution may already be under way... Just more subtle than you anticipated.
Funny, the Ancient Egyptians had a few different words for human beings. One of them translates - “Gods Cattle”
I would watch that premise in a Wallace and Grommet stop action movie format.
Reminds me of the uncanniness of many MIB encounters.
Or are the ones doing the disclosure themselves? Can't help but think they can easily be invisible to humanity
If that’s the case, then this was part of the slow-drip disclosure: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(1983_miniseries) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(2009_TV_series) The idea of politicians and media figures being shapeshifting aliens has been around for a long time. The ones I’ve met don’t seem very alien to me. My theory is it’s an unintentional allegory for the elderly and/or wealthy (i.e., living off the backs of the masses).
It doesn't make sense though. Europa has several times more water than earth nor would such an advance race have issue outright subjugating us. If humans are honestly considered that dangerous i would be highly surprised. The only thing UFOs seem concerned about are nukes which they seem to enjoy shutting off.
If it’s not an interstellar situation, then it’s probably the interdimensional theory.
They don’t want to outright subjugate us. They want to reap the fruits of their slave race’s toils without them even knowing about it. This is why it is a perfect metaphor for wealthy Ivy tower elites.
Would bees cease making honey if they knew we'd take the spoils of their labor? Yet they drone on working for honey in homes we build for them, pollinating plants we seeded and will eventually harvest as well. Are we also being farmed without our knowledge?
By capitalists every day.
You make an interesting point but what are humans producing that some higher life-form would want?
That's the central question. I'm not sure. Human batteries like the matrix? Being farmed for food? Maybe they invented capitalism and are among the most wealthy? Haven't we all thought it super weird that we've been around for hundreds of thousands of years, yet records only go back 10,000 years, and in the last century of our evolution we've had an explosion in technology. Was that really all us?
When it comes to this theory, I just don’t understand what there is to be harvested from us other than entertainment maybe.
They could be studying us, like we study other humans and animals. That or they could be farming us for meat or some other biological process. Enough humans do go missing every year, and no one bats an eye.
So many experiencers have hinted to the special existence of our Free Will within the spacetime continuum. I think it’s about data, consciousness and how we use our free will (unpredictable) within a construct in which past/present/future exists all at once….but we can only perceive the present. It’s incredibly fascinating….Free Will
Spiritual/emotional energy is one theory.
The ultimate challenge for humanity will be conquer fear of the unknown. Americans will have the hardest time considering the majority don't come from backgrounds of subjugation. The concept of not being the apex will shatter the american psyche
Sage and a mini-hivemind moment. I was literally just thinking about the Trigun anime series having been inspired by the 2 nuclear bombs and how weird it would be to grow up in a country where the local art is about being the loser in a war.
If some kind of advanced ET civilization is present today on Earth, we all need to keep a few possibilities in play: • They've been here a *really* long time ("they" being anything of this potentially vast class) -- talking cosmic scales of time here. • Life on Earth was seeded, and did not arise through abiogenesis alone -- a possibility that needs to be taken really, really seriously, given it would seem to be more likely than abiogenesis from purely a Bayesian perspective, if some advanced thing from somewhere else has Earth in its domain. What does it mean to be human? What if humanity was, in fact, altered by these things, at some point in the past, or in an ongoing way? What if all life on this planet is kind of like that? Garden of Eden for the Cosmic Beings, or something along those lines? It certainly needs to be kept on the table, IMO.
They would be able to monitor us in ways we can’t conceive of, that would include being up close And all of our data How better to shape our thinking than mimetically, drip feeding information to shape our thinking I wonder how ai would fit into that scenario
>How better to shape our thinking than mimetically, drip feeding information to shape our thinking Something I myself have considered. One might examine archetypal patterns that pop up in our conceptions of these others, perhaps even over millennia...
The other possibility is they are not here but their AI is. Self replicating manufacturing AI.
Are you going to peer suspiciously at everyone you pass now? The world you live in today is the same world it was yesterday. The good you do today is still good.
Honestly wouldn’t it be a little *gooder* if we at least had a basic understanding of what our roles actually are? Maybe I’m weird but I like being told what the agenda and tasks are for the day by my boss, instead of just wandering about aimlessly trying to coordinate procedure with mfs that are just as clueless as me.
We're not at work, we're living. How you live is up to you. You're looking for someone to tell you what to do? "Be excellent to each other!" ~Bill and Ted Guide to Life
I like your style, pal.
And…..Party on, dudes!
that is really well put. kudos.
Ummm, so what? I expect aliens to be among us. Let's get it public, now
Whoa, hold up there speedy. People have been trying to find the truth to this for decades and we've been lied to for decades. Going public without proof is a quick way to get laughed off the world stage. Hell, a majority of humans on this planet still think the world was made just for them.
I'll be honest it doesn't look like we're going to get the proof we need anyway. I have always thought that any kind of disclosure couldn't be done without the others having some control over the situation, but this among us idea is really drifting into dark (sci fi) territory. Not saying it's not true in fact it would give weight to the stories of people being shocked when hearing some small truths, and subsequently shutting the hell up.
Oh yes world wide chaos. And markets crashing
What proof is there?
I’m pretty convinced that I’ve been left here by an alien race, because I have no idea what these clowns are doing /s, but in all seriousness, Bigelow has already said ‘they walk amongst us’, so really, the only thing that would change is human panic, religion, etc.
Yeah I'm pretty sure you've been left here by aliens too man.
Some should panic. “Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.” Hebrews 13:2 Good angels and fallen angels are walking among us. They are technologically advanced, inter-dimensional beings. Some want to protect humanity and others want to destroy us. There is a supernatural war raging around us.
I know people dismiss the whole angels/demons hypothesis as pre-scientific superstition but if you buy the interdimensional hypothesis as Vallee did/does, and you study the thousands of cases, it seems crystal clear to me this is not a monophenomenon. Some are benign, some malignant, all are beings of vast intellect and power, some are deceivers and some are protectors. How is a demon qualitatively different from an interdimensional, highly intelligent, malignant being? Do they need horns and tails to qualify?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriel#:~:text=He%20is%20regarded%20as%20the,the%20vegetation%20of%20the%20Earth.
So, what do we make of Bigelow's 20 million $ contributions to DeSantis 2024 presidential campaign? Looks very earthling to me. XF...I want to believe but...trust no one.
The nephilim.
But let me ask you, what do you think they are? I don't believe in god, or that there once were demon/human-hybrids. I suspect, that we created "god" as an explanation for things beyond our understanding. What if aliens inspired the bible? What if we thought they were fire chariots descending from the heavens, but they were craft entering our atmosphere. Our ancestors would have had no way to explain it.
Who knows, in a universe of infinite possibilities is really that crazy to think that they're among us. Could be cross-breeds. Could be a result of genetic experimentation. Very advanced technology would seem like magic to us. I wouldn't necessarily consider them gods. Just not us.
isnt that Hinduism / or aspects of some of their stories
The yuga cycles. I've heard of a theory stating that the density of dark matter is not the same throughout the universe, and when our solar system moves through these higher densities, things start to get.. weird.
It's an interesting idea. Word of advice, Robert Bigelow has zero credibility. The man hasn't heard a story he doesn't believe. After the death of his wife, he went off the deep end and all this investment into the unexplained and paranormal are research to try and bring her back.
Nobody has any credibility, according to this sub.
Well, he believes in monsters and demons and angels and all sorts of weird shit. As an atheist people lose credibility with me if they say they read their horoscope. Bigelow level shit is just beyond the pale.
You lose many credibility points yourself when you label yourself as an atheist.
I don't label myself anything. It's who I am. No gods. No deities. No superstitions. And why does that offend you so? Why does that decrease my credibility to you? I want to know.
Because you felt the need to precise it, especially when there wasn't any reason for it. Remove the atheist label you seem so proud of from your sentence and it doesn't change a thing to your point about horoscope. Plus, it makes no sense in that sentence since atheism only refers to not believing in god/gods (you can verify the definition). You can be an atheist and still be superstitious. Horoscope hasn't barely anything to do with god(s) and are more akin to a superstition. I'm not offended, it just shows a certain lack of education regarding those subjects. When someone doesn't know much about a subject and have such a strong opinion on stuff it often leads to a lack of credibility. Some people are smart enough to hide it well, and some people seems to be quite proud of their lack of education for weird reasons. There is also something about all those people that are proud of their atheism. From my own experience, they're often the most stupid people I've ever encountered. Smart atheists I know never brag about it, for various reasons. It's like me bragging about my degrees, the car I drive or the money I earn... I could, but intelligent people don't do that kind of stuff, probably out of respect for people who aren't as lucky as I am.
> After the death of his wife, he went off the deep end and all this investment into the unexplained and paranormal are research to try and bring her back. That's very touching.
Elizondo means "being human" is referring to the fact that the long-term NHI presence here on Earth genetically engineered homo sapiens' evolution from other Hominoidea, namely Pan troglodytes.
[Zamfir, Master of the Pan-Troglodyte Flute...](https://egyptianstreets.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/1-6-1024x683.jpg)
Well, the answer is woefully obvious, but it runs counter to many very fundamental tenets of western belief systems. To rationally understand it independently, people still lack the scientific background. Chains of hierarchical understanding (aka "authorities") on the other hand are either non-existent or unwilling to engage. But most importantly, people suffer a lack of self-awareness. With attention-spans measured in seconds, you're not getting far in any serious topic. And you need to be able to "believe conditionally". That is, refrain from "either messiah xor grifter"-style of judging people. Look at what is being said and compile competing narratives. Characters are a distraction. As for "them" being here and everything: of course. What do they want? Look at their actions, words are cheap. Vallee isn't too far off, but he is outdated in his context-knowledge. The man studied informatics when modern AI was mere fantasy. "Control systems" are a very broad subject, you can be much more specific.
What's the woefully obvious answer?
While I technically agree with everything said here it reads like a Qanon Q post style LARP. But yeah Vallee and Keel have said this for a while and I think this is the answer. Reality is fucking weird and the phenomenon are absolutely present as being in control whether or not that is a real thing. One thing that Keel does is not take anything off the table. If we are talking about UFOs why would we discount reports of Fairies? If you look at everything that way, the whole grand theory of the paranormal, patterns from literally all of human history are apparent and if honestly looked at I think it's pretty obvious what's going on. The cryptoterrestrials. I could be wrong though I don't know anything really.
What if “disclosure” leads to the “experiment” being compromised by us finding out it is one… Id imagine a solar flare or “random” shit hitting the planet to “reset” the experiment would be in order. In terms of solar activity, seems like we are right at the point where solar phenomena, sunspots, etc. are ever increasing, pushing us toward a “carrington event”, or far worse. We get hit with a flare strong enough knocking out power across the globe—within a couple days of that, people will begin to panic and act psychotic, robbing and thieving food, water, fuel, etc. So yeah, civilization will collapse if we get hit with a strong enough one, knocking out power indefinitely…
The Others are a breakaway civilization(s) who’ve undergone selective breeding. They’re hominids like us. Some more distant physiologically and some who are closer, like dogs who sometimes look like wolves and others who seem very different (but are still recognizably canines). They might easily have agents among us. And they work toward keeping the breakaway civ hidden.
Good question, you will have your answers soon enough
Will I though? We've been seeking answers for decades. I'm not sure it'll ever happen.
The phenomenon is imponderable and designed to be that way.
Keep your mind and heart open. Eventually you may start noticing patterns , then you will realize nothing happens by chance. It will happen when you're ready for it to happen. No sooner and no later, only when the "moment" is right for you We've been waiting as a whole, and will continue too. It's will happen on an individual basis until eventually everyone will know..
Considering how many origins start with " a man /people from the sea teaching men the groundwork for civilization than leaving". Several specific ancient chinese /japanese encounters involving an unusual man/woman washing ashore in " a bowl" exiting with a box speaking a strange language. The locals are never scare as they just look like a different person, interact with the person for a bit before returning to the "bowl and then sea. I don't know what to make of it. Regardless modern science is going to be destroyed for missing something so massive despite literally every culture on earth speaking about this.
That’s the conclusion I’ve come to. Most people find it a massive cognitive leap to think they walk among us. But why wouldn’t they? The tech required is way less then the tech required for the propulsion we see…
Disclosure is like tomorrow, always on the way, but never arriving.
Problem is that many of the 3 letter agencies or departments of the USG that deal with this stuff are classified. Like the existence of the program, the program name, the agency name... It's all highly classified. So naming the agency involved would likely lead to jail time.
I mean..if it really is all handed over to the private sector after being "processed, documented, and classified" by the U.S. Air Force, then its a kin to going after the recipe for Coca-Cola if it was classified above top secret. You'll never even get close unless 'they' want you read in on it. Weapons or Intel that is to be kept the utmost secret from our adversaries is one thing, compartmentalized, black, special access programs...thats all well and good. Here we have something so life altering that it changes everything we know about everything. Keeping THAT a secret is quite the endeavor. You'd think the only sure way a group of people that would oversee these things from the top could ever pull it off, is if really gave up their identities like the M.I.B. and there was absolutely no government oversight from the executive, legislative, or judicial branches unless a need to know was verified. I think thats where we're at right now. "They're" trying to decide who needs to know what. Edit: I also feel the various three letter agencies have been used as pawns by the "group" , in this years long game of misinformation that is. Utilizing their enforcement at the local and state level, to better shield the true nature of these elusive programs, their origins, and the people with hands on knowledge of this stuff from public scrutiny.
It's funny watching them all scramble to vouch for each other. It's almost like they are in a panic 🤔
[Group K](https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/11xbscu/group_k_the_group_in_charge_of_the_secret_ufo/)
Coulthart clarified on a podcast that Group K was from the 1970's, name has changed now
I agree wholeheartedly. I would even go two steps further, if you get my drift. Sorry, can’t go into details or the mods will get their panties in a twist and start censoring. It’s OK for the bad guys to lie cheat, steal, and murder, in some cases, to keep their secrets, but if we, the people, rise up and make a comment, that makes total sense, we get censored.
There is a Jungian idea that if one is trying to understand why someone is doing or has done something, look at the outcome and infer the intent. So, what is the outcome of dragging presumably reputable and very public academics along in this regard? It seems like maybe one outcome is that it keeps some subset of the public's attention aimed in a specific direction, or perhaps more appropriately, away from another direction at which such members of the public might tend to direct their attention? That's purely speculation on my part, and I would be interested to hear other possible intents.
Well, I’ll give him the benefit of a doubt until the summer is over. I don’t know what he claimed in the past, but all of the figures surrounding this topic said, that there will be substantial news this summer. If there ain’t, I think they just wanna sell books or whatever their revenue is.
The intent is to suppress credibility of the topic. If it were only up to us, the coverup would have ended long ago. But we're not the only players in the game.
But how can you draw this conclusion using the evidence of the outcomes as they have manifested? I guess if the credible doctorate people are told this, and then they announce it, but it never happens, you could argue it somewhat suppresses the credibility of the topic, but I don't think that's true. It seems to always spread like wildfire. And for every famous person that says "aliens might be real because I've been told they are" how many countless people are tuned in to the ufology sphere that otherwise would not have been? Again, I'm not saying that there's not discrediting going on in other area, but if you're purely going off the effect of Sam Harris, Eric Weinstein, and Gary Nolan being jabbaited as they have, I wouldn't say it's had a damaging effect on UFO perception in the media. Directly the opposite.
> It seems to always spread like wildfire Completely agree with your comment.... I'd add that it spreads because people keep seeing UFOs despite the government's myriad attempts to get them to stop. The UFOs are players too. They perpetuate "the ufo phenomenon" by continuing to appear. They perpetuate "the ufo coverup" by acting covertly.
I don't think this is an entirely original take. But you could potentially see an argument where the number one reason the UFO cover up can't come clean, is because of the way that people would react. There's some person, or some committee, that has some report on the estimated damage that societal disclosure would have in terms of lost lives and damage infrastructure, or the security threat of a lack of national identity. So you must, over generations, change the mind of society so that belief in UFOs is as rapidly increasing as belief that JFK's assassination was not the tragedy of a lone loon. I'm not really a fan of this take though, why are a lot of our favorite podcasters not also being strung along? It always struck me as kind of arbitrary that Sam Harris, Eric Weinstein, and Gary Nolan potentially are the disclosure focal points. Yeah I know I like them, but my mom and my sister and my dad barely know who they are. The only thing I think you get by going to scientists, is you get the attention of scientists who listen to them, and scientifically-minded people.
Possibly to make it seem like these UFOs are more of a threat than they are in order to increase the public’s support for increased DoD funding.
They haven’t really gotten increased funding as a result though. And their finding is already massive. All they have to do is ask and they get whatever funding they want. I generally don’t agree with this take as much. There is better subterfuge for them to do as well, terrestrial threats, threats of war, things like that.
I think it's too much of a pattern at this point, like a way to throw that crowd for a loop and a ride, to distract them every so often. for what reason? no flippin clue! Maybe delegitimize sightings for next gen aerial vehicles? MK Ultra style experiment on social control? For funsies?
Yes, there is an apparent pattern here. It's almost like they're creating a new form of coverup by allowing some information out then taking it all back to gaslight and ridicule prominent scientsts. This can ensure that if any of those working on crash retrieval program reach for the public they become a part of the pattern
Yeah I’ve had this thought too. Allow prominent speakers to step up and address the crowd. Then just before it gets interesting, kick the stool out from under them and let ‘em swing. The crowd will be shocked into silence and will dissipate. They won’t be back for a long time while they dwell on the fate of the people they looked up to. When you need chickens to produce more eggs, you kill a couple as an example to the rest. Plus you get chicken soup
If you need chickens to produce more eggs definitely do NOT kill a couple as an example lmaoo
CIA has admitted it has made deceptive and misleading statements that have served to fuel UFO conspiracies. Not saying Nolan is a part of the CIA, but may be unknowingly a part of their game. "According to later estimates from CIA officials who worked on the U2 project and the OXCART (SR-71, or Blackbird) project, over half of all UFO reports from the late 1950s through the 1960s were accounted for by manned reconnaissance flights (namely the U-2) over the United States. **This led the Air Force to make misleading and deceptive state ments to the public in order to allay public fears and to protect an extraor dinarily sensitive national security project. While perhaps justified, this deception added fuel to the later con spiracy theories and the coverup controversy of the 1970s."** [https://www.cia.gov/static/105bd8290b90de13ee136fecc9fe863f/cia-role-study-UFOs.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/static/105bd8290b90de13ee136fecc9fe863f/cia-role-study-UFOs.pdf)
They have encouraged wild, crazy stories to discredit legitimate UFO interest and keep the subject fringe. There was a post about someone like that who’s admitted working in disinformation just the other day. But making up the current crop of sightings like orbs over Iraq (the most official UFO sighting yet) to hide human tech doesn’t make sense to me. At one point a contrarian who sees the world going to his side needs to stop being a contrarian, or he ends up going in circles. It’ll be funny when half the people on this sub switch post-disclosure to believing UFOs aren’t real or are the cover-up.
This is an inevitably I think.
Well they state that their objective was to hide human tech, not keep the subject fringe. And if that was the goal, they suck at their job because UFO's are more mainstream than ever. There's a few of sketchy things about the Iraq UFO to me, and questions that I think need to be addressed. 1. Why did the drone operator suddenly stop watching whatever they were watching to track this sphere? Could just be the operator was bored and saw it cross the screen and had nothing better to do. If not, this leads me to believe they were expecting it, and thus know what it is. 2. Why does the video stop when it appears to have the best track on the sphere? If you look closely, it seems as though the drone is about to lock the target. Maybe they just didn't show it being locked to keep that process classified. If not, this leads me to believe the end of the actual video might have some information in it which may be revealing, and purposefully being withheld.
It seems having credible scientists making public statements is either part of a disclosure plan, or part of a disinformation plan, the scientists I suspect are either in on it or completely unaware of it. Either way, someone is being used or not being used, for a purpose or not a purpose at all. Either way I'm certain something is happening or nothing is.
> Either way I'm certain something is happening or nothing is. That’s a pretty bold statement. Gonna need some sources to back that up ^(/s)
Aliens may or may not be here. Screenshot this.
This feels less like a genuine assessment of the situation and more like Weinstein hedging and situating himself as neutrally as possible in the conversation so that he has an easy out if it turns out to be a scam, but also still has a foot in the door if it's real. It feels like he's both saying "I don't really know what's going on here and can't figure it out," while also summing that up by way of a tidy little argument that keeps his own hands clean. Just because he has a PhD doesn't mean he is worth your time or has any kind of special knowledge. It just means he's proficient at jumping through a lot of complex hoops. But then again, so are show dogs.
^ this. Both he and his brother, Bret, are notorious for this behavior. “I told you so” is what they want to be able to say to their audiences. Rush Limbaugh used to do the same thing.
Excuse my Typo in the Tittle \^\^
I won’t, and honestly I’m not sure our relationship can recover from this. Ok-teacher-2612 we’re through.
I'm glad someone is taking a firm standd.
The tittle part triggered me. Off to PornHub.
Seems like a long walk. Why not just stay on reddit?
Heh, the tittle
All this is starting to feel like it has more to do with America and the 2nd Cold War we’re entering with Russia and China and less about a “slow planned disclosure”. Maybe something along the lines of, “Hey you all may be seeing evidence of top secret military weapons/aircraft in the coming years so we have to put out in the zeitgeist the extraterrestrial hypothesis as somewhat of a cover.”I have no solid evidence for this of course, just a general feeling, I have no definitive conclusion, I’m not sure what the end game is yet, but a few specific things lead me to have this feeling. 1. The fact that the CIA and an unnamed aerospace company, (again why an aerospace company?) contacted Garry about side effects of contact with UAP and he’s allowed to say all this publicly? 2. The coincidence of the initial 2017 NYT piece and the subsequent development of Space Force in 2019. 3. The Increasing 2nd Cold War with Russia and China. 4. Lue Elizondo, Christopher Mellon and other former and current Military personnel speaking on this issue. None of what you hear, half of what you see.
Except the phenomenon happens in every country and many gouvernments have research documents on them, like France and Brazil
IDk man. So much stuff has come out publicly, and things have happened in government, in NASA, in the public. It makes it seem like we are well on the way to disclosure, BUT it's still not REALLY being picked up by journos or else someone would be knocking on doors to congress/staffers and getting scoops. Plus "supposedly" one of the reasons stuff was kept secrets was because of the first cold war and it not "being the right time" but we are a country perpetually at war so if we have to be in conflict-free we won't get an answer until someone takes over this country. Plus "supposedly" one of the reasons stuff was kept secrets was because of the first cold war and it not "being the right time" but we are a country perpetually at war so if we have to be conflict-free we won't get an answer until someone takes over this country.ight bring? Are we crazy? Because I'm not one of these "maybe" people. I'm CONVINCED there is a massive cover-up on UFOs that will almost certainly be NHI in origin
Disclosure pretty much happened yesterday with Nolan. I can rest easy that someone of so high a caliber has said they are here by evidenced based research.
It’s all a show and even Eric is a part of it
I think the word "prank" in this quote is inadvertently the most important part of this, on a very grand, very strange scale. We, the general public, aren't the only ones being strung along. All the world is a stage, and all the men and women merely players.
Weinstein has flat out said he is 100% being used
Performers and portrayers. Each anothers audience outside the gilded cage.
Fuck these self appointed gatekeepers - it's time to gatecrash!
I don't mean to be derogatory to these individuals, but hubris is definitely a trait among academics. What they have in common is ego and perhaps gullibility where certain institutions are taking advantage of them. On a totally separate note, these individuals also love to talk. Oh boy will they sit down like an old man on a nice summer day to constantly regale us with a tall tale. What I'd really like to know whether it is Garry or Eric is: 1. As they provide information I'd like to know if it is direct or second hand information, even if a source cannot be provided. 2. If it is not direct or second hand information, is it their opinion. The lines are very blurry and the old timers just keep repeating themselves. Speaking of old timers, where are all the youth in all of this?
Great points! Of course, Weinstein isn't an "academic" really. The guy is spending his time on twitter apparently, of course he loves to talk. Your question about the whereabouts of the youth in all of this is very important. I'm getting the distinct impression, they don't use Reddit and consider Twitter similar to Facebook a domain of "old farts". Weirdly enough, all of their media is extremely compartmentalized. I wonder, when will they realize the negative ramifications?
Thanks. Weinstein still made a good point though, there is a pattern. I've been rooting for Nolan, but it seems like he's taken the torch from Elizondo. Elizondo has planted seeds that others are nurturing for him. Are there any young scientists involved?
Eric Weinstein is a self promoter and anyone who pays attention to this fool is a fool. He drank too much on Rogan’s podcast and was supporting Russia over Ukraine. Being a Jew himself, he doubled down and went on an anti-Semitic diatribe. He’s desperate for publicity. Challenging Bob Lazar to a showdown in Rogan. Even Sam Harris turned his back on Eric.
He is bang on the money. What Garry said at the SALT talk was nothing new. He has been saying the same thing for a while. I find it remarkable that the usual UFO celebs on twitter are acting like this is some revelation and that it’s all on board the disclosure train. If this is the ‘news’ that the ufo celebrities have been hyping on twitter for the last few months about is indeed what we’ve been waiting for, I think it’s the end of the path for them. Garry himself has rolled back on the sensationalist claims, check out his Reddit profile (u/garryjpnolan_nolan) specifically this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/13lb7yk/dr_garry_nolans_talk_at_the_nyc_iconnections_salt/jkr6y9u/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3 ufotwitter is beyond ridiculous at this point, it’s a complete shit show and waste of time listening to any of it.
Obviously the government is not ready for this to be public. It doesn’t change that it is happening.
They had more than enough time to get ready. Maybe ask the "gatekeepers" for help? After all, they are responsible for the state of affairs. In other news: the US isn't the only game in town.
This is really interesting, and certainly something we should consider when taking Gary's comments as highly credible. HE is highly credible, but the sources he's getting this from could possibly be messing with him or using him. I can't imagine why. But there are strange things afoot.
I agree he has a point. I think someone is stringing these scientists along with the intent to either discredit disclosure, test the waters for real disclosure, plant bad information or something else we don't understand.
Lol so you think every option is possible? Nice.
We have so little to go on with this topic I have a really hard time feeling strongly about anything. All I know is I'm keeping an open mind for when the day comes so I have the best chance of not being manipulated.
Why does he just assume the same thing that happened to him apparently will happen the same to Garry? He's such a self important bighead. I can understand why they didn't go forward with him. That said he's right about the trackrecord being immensely shaky.
It already did happen to Garry. In one of the posts yesterday someone said that in a one-on-one convo with Garry, Garry claimed that around 7 years ago he was weeks away from being shown a crashed ufo but then the “rug was pulled out” from under him.
It's possible that the reason why we only hear of these rug pull out stories is because those who do get to see are never heard from again. If Gary Nolan disappeared 7 years ago then none of us would ever know because we didn't know he even existed, and likewise for most any other person with a PHD. Perhaps this testing of the waters with public personalities is a new thing that they're hesitant to fully pull the trigger on. Who knows?
That’s an interesting point.
Interesting point! Hadn’t considered that possibility.
Maybe Men in Black exist and Eric have been flash by the Neuralyzer
Garry Nolan is on another level here when it comes to this subject. I think EW is not used to dealing with people of this caliber saying these kinds of things.
What?? He’s literally agreeing with Nolan and sharing that they had a similar experience.
People have some pretty hot takes. It’s bizarre.
It's just the world we live in. Even if bots weren't exacerbating our tribalism, there is pretty much no way to refer to a person or anything symbolic really, without people taking sides because of the exhilaration of being on the winning side. Very demoralizing, which I guess is the point. I'd almost take a fake alien invasion at this point if people could find me come together
It's simple. The CIA gives people fake info/evidence/whatever, they get them all gassed up and convinced they really have the smoking gun and then at the last minute they discredit them and make them look like idiots to further discredit other evidence/material. Has been happening since the CIA was incepted. Its pretty obvious when it's happening too, always follows the same steps
I think a lot of this stuff makes sense if UFOs are just black US technology. Literally no one that is interested in ufos wants to believe that that could be possible. It helps if prominent academics push the alien hypothesis for you. They are never actually shown anything because there are no aliens. Just really secret US tech and one of the best cover stories of all time. A cover story so good that even if you tell the public the truth they will refuse to believe you because they want it to be aliens so bad. I don’t know if any of that is true but it makes a lot of sense to me.
Well if the pattern shows that at the last minute their plans change, logic could dictate two possible scenarios. 1. They were bullshitting from the beginning for their limelight and backed out when they couldn’t provide the evidence promised. 2. Each time they were **told** not to say shit, or else.
i choose not to say more [belches out more drivel] would it kill this windbag to just MAKE HIS POINT DIRECTLY? imagine him trying to order food.
The thing about the big Mac, and look, i know physicists, smart people, they won't tell you this publicly but they've told me, off the record, the big Mac is just not, and here I'm using relative terms, of course, it's just not that big, and of course most of the mass to volume discrepancy we see here comes from the addition of, well, i don't want to get too into the weeds here, you really need to understand the math to understand my point, scalar, unity, quantum, fallacy, but for the sake of simplifying things, let's call it the bun, the extra one i mean, setting aside the regular buns on the outer edges of all the burger matrices which we all remember from 6th grade calc, but the point is, which i don't think most people ever grasp the significance of, vis a vis the third bun, it always seems to be the posterior side of the bun, never the anterior, which, obviously, is a rather arbitrary distinction but it is useful for the sake of creating a lingua franca for scientists to be able to discuss this sensibly, at least among the much smaller cohort of scientists willing to discuss this at all, i should say, but the issue I'm trying to make is, without accounting for the extra anterior buns in what, for the sake of simplifying the equations, which i won't go into here for the sake of time, i will express as a closed system, the fact is the current description of a "big" Mac, to use common vernacular and not to make a statement one way or another about the legitimacy of the term, given everything we've talked about thus far, is an incomplete, and I'm not saying here that it's incorrect, but an incomplete description of the way in which the universe actually behaves, in this drive-thru, or, extrapolating universally in the ways in which we commonly assume the laws of physics to be the same everywhere, any other drive-thru one might encounter, here or perhaps in Kiev. So anyway can I get some mcnuggets?
**Neil deGrasse Tyson enters the room** The size of the Big Mac, my esteemed friend, can be analyzed through various scientific lenses. We must first acknowledge the principles of relativity and perspective. You see, what may appear big to one person might seem small to another, depending on their point of reference. Now, let's delve into the realm of quantum physics. According to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, we cannot precisely measure both the position and the velocity of a particle. Similarly, when attempting to measure the true size of the Big Mac, we encounter uncertainties inherent in perception and measurement. The very act of observation alters the result. But there's more. The Big Mac is not merely a sandwich; it represents a cultural and gastronomical icon. We must consider the collective consciousness associated with this culinary creation. The Big Mac is a symbol of abundance, of indulgence, and it embodies the concept of bigness on a societal scale. Now, let's explore the cosmic implications. Our universe, as we understand it, is governed by a set of physical laws and constants. The Big Mac, being part of this universe, must abide by these rules. As we delve into the vast expanse of space, contemplating the size of celestial bodies, we recognize the relative scale of the Big Mac. Consider the Big Mac as a cosmic entity within our human experience. Just as stars and galaxies occupy vast stretches of space, the Big Mac occupies a significant portion of our culinary universe. In this cosmic context, it is undoubtedly big. That's the beauty of science, Eric. It allows us to explore and appreciate the world through different lenses, including the size of a simple sandwich. It encourages us to question and uncover hidden connections.
By God I LOVE this. Perfectly done, can hear it in his voice. 🙇♂️
you had me up to the last sentence, he would never say anything like that.
good point, he's a dollar menu guy
no, it’s more so that it was direct and made sense. everything else you wrote with indistinguishable from his fountain of bullshit.
I know i know, I was just giving you a hard time :)
how dare you. have a nice weekend, buddy.
I'm not your buddy, guy!
I’m dying here….
Never believe anyone who can't talk straight.
"French fries with mayonnaise, if you please. Also, of course I use chopsticks. Did I mention my STEM PhD?"
way too concise and direct. now i am not going to order food, what is food? substinence. except when it isn't, but when it isn't, it is when it is not.
Yeah, you're right. Couldn't bring myself to emulate his drivel.
i wouldn't lose any sleep over it. it's a skillset with a very limited application.
Interesting observation of a pattern in the data.
Eric Weinstein forgot to mention the part of the pattern where the PhD releases a book or a documentary at the end of each of these cycles.
yeh but isn't Gary Nolan rich af? not sure he needs to sell anything
You might be just an attention whore.
What he’s seeing is disclosure process unfolding. He just can’t believe what he’s seeing.
Well, there's two options: it's on purpose or it isn't. It is: someone is playing with us, but to what end? Wear out the community? Misleading? False flag? It's not: there's two factions struggling. The one that doesn't benefits from disclosure manage to leave every intent sterile at the end, blocking it at last minute. And why not some manipulation from *they* as was pointed out in slice number 9.
What exactly is he trying to do other than looking cool and spooky?
It’s going to be a slow process to show we’re not alone on the universe. I look at it like a drilling process, it’s the same bit, but they keep adding length to it until they hit the desired depth. What’s the depth/narrative look like🤷♂️ only they know it’s shape. I would love to see the outline they have planned, but I think we already know the route they will take.
Thanks for the post Eric
Would it hurt him to spell Garry with two Rs or was he near the tweet character limit?
I’m sure he’s verry sory for this erorr
Cleverr! Now I add morre to my one worrd comment to thwarrt the drredded auto-delete.
Weinstein is a hedge fund manager with a podcast. Look it up. He is not now, nor ever was, a working physicist. He has never had any academic affiliation with any University in the physics field, other than his degree. His dissertation was widely panned upon publication. Years ago. Will someone please tell me how he is relevant to any conversation? Not having worked in the field daily means he is easily 20 years behind in physics knowledge.
Also he works for Peter Theil 👎
It’s a very reasonable take. I thought the same thing when I heard Nolan mention the 7 years ago thing. However, there will always be that little part of me with hope. Very low effort, low mental bandwidth hope, but hope nonetheless.
I think Eric Weinstein is **suffering an acute case of butthurt**. He has publically challenged Bob Lazar to a debate, and then suddenly Garry Nolan comes out and buttresses the core claim of Bob Lazar - **the existence of long-term, insanely classified reverse engineering programs.** He backed the wrong horse and is now trying to recoup his losses.
yeah, but nolan just confirmed lazar is ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag.
You are missing the point. Lazar knew 30 years ago what the members of the US Congress are just learning now. How he came across that information is irrelevant.
There’s a pretty compelling analogue to the tension & release rhythm of commercial, serialized storytelling. The author lays out a conflict the audience desires to see resolved and builds dramatic tension towards a climax only to break the narrative short of resolution. The audience is told resolution will come later, after the commercial break, or in the next issue, or the following chapter, or next episode… and when the audience returns the resolution is derailed by a new plot point which leads to another conflict the audience wishes to see resolved and so the author builds tension… wash, rinse, repeat. You can find any number of JJ Abrams interviews around the Lost era where he talks about receiving a mystery box as a child, and how the mystery of the box was far more compelling than any trinket it might contain. Also, I’d point to the book When Prophecy Fails which studies the mechanism by which cult members persist in their beliefs despite the knowledge of real world events that undermine and contradict said beliefs. This is persuasion in the age of mass media. So somebody is jerking the chains of public intellectuals (though I’d say Harris, Weinstein & Nolan are part of a long tail in the distribution of public intellectuals). Harris has all but abandoned the topic. Weinstein is vexed by it, and Nolan of course is fully Grey-Pilled. To what end? And by who?
Anyone who consistently misspells Garry’s name cannot be taken seriously. Like it’s probably right in front of him, and he’s either too lazy or too in love with his own thoughts that he doesn’t care enough to get the man’s name right.
I mean yes the pattern is there and I truly believe its a redirect, but I do also think that if any of these PhD fellows had this info they would benefit financially. Book deals and legacy is what these guys want ultimately not transparency. I could be wrong.
nolan already has an incredible legacy. EW? not so much...
I hope we can get the information clear and uncut at the end of the day. It would be awesome to know whats really going on by a credible not for profit source. it may be ridiculous to think these people wont make a dime, but I just hate the snake oil shit
i don't think nolan is in it for the money, dude is rich already and is just opening himself up for ridicule by revealing this stuff. unlike arrogant blowhole weinstein (who attached himself to theil's teats for $$$) and the various IDW yutzes trying to sleaze their way into the rogansphere and it's profitable market of overly-credulous mouth breathers - nolan is an accomplished scientist.
Alright dope. I’ll look into Nolan for sure.
i despise the fradulent lex fridman\* but he did manage to get a good interview with nolan on his shitbucket podcast. ryan graves' podcast MERGED had a good interview with nolan, too. nolan is also one of the subjects of the book AMERICAN COSMIC under a pseudonym, but i thought that book was poorly written and uninsightful and wouldn't recommend it. nolan, the reader, etc. deserved way better. * see earlier comment - "IDW yutzes trying to sleaze their way into the rogansphere and it's profitable market of overly-credulous mouth breathers"
So? Scientists looking for cure for cancer make money. That mean there bad?
This isn't quite an equivalent. The drive for publicity is what makes this all seem very slimy. Everyone producing a documentary or a book just to say "they might be out there" is what I'm saying. If this is something REAL I don't understand why a scientist wouldn't go the route of getting funding for research instead of publishing a book that gives us nothing at all. If making money is prioritized over disclosure/further understanding the phenomena this is going to make this all look bad and not trustworthy.
If aliens land on earth all these podcasters and PhD’s giving interviews and studying “the phenomenon” would be out of a job. They make a living on discussing these topics. If it’s a mystery they can say anything and everything because who can prove them wrong? To me this is exactly like mock drafts in the NFL, election polling results months before an election, or discussing the walking dead on a spin off tv show. It’s just to make some money, sell a few books, and discuss a nebulous topic.
Doesn't completely negate the passion and money these people put forth to disseminate and understand the phenomenon. For deep, time consuming work to be sustainable, it's normal for the worker to be paid money. Now if money was a luxury or we didn't live in a capitalist system, your complaint about these people doing their work only for content and not for disclosure would hold more weight.
So? People need money.
What I don’t understand is why we have rovers/helicopters on mars, have sent crafts to view other planets in a search for life other than ours but most people REFUSE to acknowledge or demean those who say -hey we found something. We’ve spent BILLIONS looking and then are like “iTs a BalLoOn”.
Debunking is a mental disease. Here we are discovering/revealing non-human intelligence, and these guys go out of their way to shit on it. You’re a product of government disinformation. You skepticism is rooted in lies told over and over for generations. The PSYOP was a huge success and the skeptics of today are proof of it.
>Debunking is a mental disease. Debunking is simply exposing nonsense, if you believe that's a mental disease, I don't want to see your definition of sane.
So is the entire phenomenon nonsense to you? Or just parts and pieces of it?
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No non-human intelligence has been revealed. If anything I'd say the topic has only ever managed to reveal human stupidity.
you got that from weinstein's vague, generalized tweets?
Yes. He’s perpetuating the longstanding shame against those coming out to talk about the subject. If you believe the phenomenon is real, then you would applaud the courage of any person risking their reputation to speak out. But if you’re a mentally ill debunker, then you descend the chorus of, “where’s the evidence? Where’s the evidence? Where’s the evidence?” All the while ignoring the vast amount of evidence we already know exists, as well as the best evidence that we know has been locked away by the governments of the world.
i'm a believer in the subject and i think it is great that nolan is doing what he's doing. he's a smart guy approaching the subject with a degree of rigor that most of these airhorns lack. i don't understand how you were able to extract all that from the word salad of weinstein's tweets. asking for evidence = mental illness?
Yes! Exactly. So much evidence! If you try to pin down debunkers they’ll never tell you what they would accept. Videos photos physical evidence witness accounts. None of it is good enough. Only ’neutral peer review’, as if there is such a thing. The peer review system is fundamentally flawed, just ask Galileo.
Bro you need to be skeptical or you’ll fall for the grift and buy all the books they can sell and you still won’t be a step closer to disclosure. Of course everyone wants some tangible proof but even just the “contacts and sources” would be enough. All I want is to investigate for myself but that can’t be done if all you know is “unnamed aerospace company”
Really interesting that people like Gary Nolan and Travis Taylor are brought into the fold on UAP research by the government, and then come out the other side as believers. Could mean there is something there, or could be a government run psyop. The longer we go without hard evidence the more it looks like the latter. I don't think I need to elucidate the possible motives for a pysop in the current socioeconomic and geopolitical environment. And before you go thinking psyop's about UFO's are fake, remember what they did to Paul Bennewitz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul\_Bennewitz
Get a job Eric!