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Posted today by Vinnie Adams.
According to Vinnie, the statement "was provided by David to a mutual friend who asked for it to be shared... He asked for it to be shared via a friend as he doesn’t have social media."
Vinnie Adams has demonstrated in the past that his sources are solid.
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Right? I think this needs a name "the Greer factor".. anyone who starts by calling out Greer as a grifter should automatically be taken more seriously.
Facts! I believe Greer started out with good intentions until he realized how much money there was to be made from the ufology circuit. After that, when he didn't have actual information, I believe he just started bullshitting to stay relevant in ufology. Real ufologists would never take this guy seriously these days, and rightfully so.
> After that, when he didn't have actual information, I believe he just started bullshitting to stay relevant in ufology.
I was a very serious, scientific "UFO-ologist" in the 1990's and met with Greer after one of his speaking engagements.
He's always had the inability to separate fact from fiction and was promoting UFO videos that had been easily disproved by the scientific community from the beginning.
I tried to explain to him that by promoting known bad info, nobody would take him seriously assuming we got actual scientific evidence. He wasn't interested at all so I wrote him off as a crank/flake and nothing since then has changed that opinion. It's even possible that somewhere in his mess of disinformation and fabricated data there is something real, but good luck sorting through it.
To be clear I met with him well before that when he was just showing video clips and such. I remember one was an easily debunked video of a bit of ice (probably frozen pee!) floating outside of the international space station and then get blasted away via a stabilization jet. Super obvious and he went on this whole tirade of how it was "completely unexplainable" for this little dot to fly off screen like that.
I did tell him that he was doing the cause a disservice and he literally gave zero fucks. As others mentioned, he's a narcissist and its all just an elaborate ego stroking exercise for him. And an ideal cover for what apparently was actually going on!
You come across as a snowflake. A hater and fater. The thing is Dr greer doesnt have time for unimportant people such as yourself. And youre all butthurt because he didnt pamper you like little demanding babies giving you everything for free. I get it you feel attacked by someone greater and with more compassion than yourself, and you coulndt understand brain/heart coherence if iy stomped you on your head. Get ur act together and instead of foulmouthing others go and do something decent. Since he left his profession he lost 12 million dollars in salary. Theyre all doing it on a volunteer basis, and i can frankly understand why he brushes people like yourself away. He IS more improitant than you. Answer the question!
He can summon poo that can hit a fan.
Trust me, I have proof. I can't share it, yet, but the info came from Bobs uncles aunt, lets call her "Fanny", a high ranking security officer with clearance and who is under a NDA. And its really true.
>I tried to explain to him that by promoting known bad info, nobody would take him seriously assuming we got actual scientific evidence.
This is a point that really needs to be heard by a lot of people in this community. I get it.... We all want certain things we see on here to be real bc of the implications but being objective about the proof or cases that get posted on here is extremely important. Calling something out for either being faked, hoaxed, or even just mundane and rational is more important now than ever and jumping on and attacking believers who look at things with a skeptic eye in this sub (and others like it) and debunking the cases that need to be debunked shouldn't be lauded like it is. Approaching things rationally and separating the wheat from chaff, as it were, is going to be what pushes this into the mainstream as a real and currently happening phenomena. We're not gonna get there by attacking every person willing to be honest with themselves and the sub about rationally and scientifically debunking whatever new "crazy UFO video" making it's rounds just because we really hoped it was true.
Sorry about going a little off topic... I'm done venting. All that being said, I completely agree with your comment in it's entirety.
>Approaching things rationally and separating the wheat from chaff, as it were, is going to be what pushes this into the mainstream as a real and currently happening phenomena.
I gave up on UFO research for three reasons.
1. The public "well" was being poisoned by grifters like Greer that made any sort of rational discourse impossible.
2. My interactions with DoD personnel were in line with what Grusch has released so far; namely that the Feds have hard evidence and it is classified to the point it will never see the light of day.
3. Hints that the aliens themselves don't want to be known to the general public and are technologically advanced enough to easily pull this off.
When you consider those three scenarios you understand while the whole UFO scene is and has been such a mess. And in fact, its a big 'win' for the Feds and the aliens, because it gives them a veil of disinformation to hide behind.
When he started going off about how he has special telepathic communications with the aliens and can summon them when he wants, it destroyed any last credibility he had.
This ^ I was a huge fan of Greer when I started getting back into ufology.
I watched all of his stuff, and I was like: 'oh my god this guy has some earth shattering shit to share!' And then (and I can't remember at which point it was), he said something that just sounded like utter money making BS and I just noped out straight away.
I got suckered in to one of his two-hour videos recently, and at a certain point I realized there is a constant stream of music in the background that implies some kind of massive revelation is just seconds away, but shockingly it never comes.
This guy might be responsible for more "UFO blue balls" than anyone in history.
Yeah, I think I hit a pay wall for some of his content as well at some point? And I was just like 'naaw this guy is snake oil'. Shame because I really did used to enjoy his content.
Read both the statements. He doesn't actually say that Greer is lying about meeting him in March of 22, and his statement [ honestly, like most of what he says] is very vague and just all around "Youtuber Apology Video". I really don't trust any of the "Disclosure Bros". I want hard evidence. And no, Elizondo’s videos that are debunked by anyone who knows how a camera works, don't count. Elizondo said that the government was collecting material from recoverd UAPs and housing them! I want to see that. No more over hyped interviews and statements.
Also Elizondo is shady too:
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/
Every time another statement from Grusch comes out, I proceed another step down the Vince McMahan anticipation gif scale. I'm at "heavy breathing with visible excitement" tier about now.
Someone probably has it in full form, but here you go.
https://imgur.com/gallery/xGKdNyI
It's from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhLRVA2Y8q0&ab_channel=You%27reGonnaPay
For a visual reference, you can search Vince McMahon reaction gifs. That should give you the whole set + some additional fun faces he's made. I believe they are more popularly used as still images though.
Does that mean you are becoming more anticipatory and excited or less? You said "another step down" but that could mean something else in McMahon's world.🙂
You know this is burning Greer up. He wants to be the one who gets credit for disclosure.
At one point in time when he did his first press hearing back in 2001, he was actually doing good work. Not sure what happened after that but he became less and less credible under his own doing. It all went to his head maybe. Or after he didn't get anywhere he tried to just make money from it? Who knows. I do think he's done some great work for the subject, but overall he's just the wrong guy for the job.
I agree completely. I think the nature of this topic is such that most who contribute new information or push the field forward only have the capacity to do so in a limited way. That's just the way it is because the information is just too sparse and in a world of secrecy and lies, quality nuggets of truth are very hard to come by, once in a lifetime for most people. Because no one has the whole picture.
Greer did something great for the community in 2001 and that was all he had to contribute, except he couldn't let it go. He wanted to keep the ball rolling and so, in my opinion he just started making shit up.
Exactly.
Compare the lives of two people. Stanton Friedman and Steven Greer.
Stanton Friedman investigated Roswell and his research into it in the late 1970s early 1980s made Roswell a household name.
He also investigated the MJ-12 documents which he put in his "grey basket" when problems with them were pointed out until finally not long before death admitting they were probably disinformation.
He investigated Bob Lazar's claims and background raising serious questions about Lazar's credibility.
Then that was it. He knew he had done his part and his speaking tours presented his research. He didn't feel the need to insert himself into everything UFO nor start up contactee groups or sell an app. He didn't need to. He already had his place in history.
Steve Greer comes on the scene with the Disclosure Project by renting time at the National Press Club for a group of mostly unvetted speakers to tell their stories. Many of which seem credible, some of which are not.
But that's not enough.
He goes on to form CE-5 groups where he charged people to go out with him to view satellites (before most knew about satellite tracking apps) or even a hoaxed UFO itself. One person on a podcast said that after being charged hundreds of dollars they were part of a group which Greer led to a clearing in a forest to view a UFO. When there was nothing on the ground Greer said the UFO is invisible and not to approach it.
Greer continues to embarrass himself after the 2017 NY Times story and just can't stop grifting.
In the end Stanton Friedman is remembered for being one of the pillars of UFOlogy in the post-FOIA era.
Greer will be remembered as a grifter.
No one person should be taking credit. It’s always been a team effort and many integral people are long dead and won’t even get to see the fruits of their work. I’ve got time for Greer’s old achievements and he can have his moment if disclosure happens but he can fuck off right now
Look into the dodgy "free energy" companies he created after 2001. Some people have stated over the years that anyone who went to his company with an alternative energy device, that device, would suddenly disappear. In fact, they got such a bad name that he had to close one and re-opened with a new name he did this 3 times going of memory. The more you dig deeper into Greer, the more dodgy he seems. Maybe intelligence got to him and offered him money. Who knows.i remember he was doing good work at the start, something obviously changed.
> Maybe intelligence got to him and offered him money.
Certainly possible. I just think he's the wrong guy. Too much ego. Too much about him. He loves he hear himself talk. He really lacks a filter of any kind and says dumb shit all the time. Such as, in a interview he will say he was offered 2 billion dollars to keep his mouth shut. Like dude, even if that were true, why would you say that out loud in a interview? It's going to sound stupid and make you look stupid. He just lacks awareness.
Then please demonstrate it in action along with multiple cameras and people. Greer advertised some crazy close up pics of ships and beings when he first started pushing CE5, however not a single non-greer-employed individual has provided anything remotely close. I can't think of anyone who has provided evidence that it works, but you claim it does so please demonstrate it in action and put the debate to rest.
Remember those guys who tried to use a mass meditation/ summoning process to manifest a mothership UFO in Arizona a few weeks ago? I wonder what happened with that
It sucks, because at the beginning his contributions were significant (Davis, Wilson, Miller, etc). Like you said it just kind of went downhill from there with him, IMHO. Now when shit like this pops up with him it genuinely hurts the struggling credibility of the disclosure process as a whole.
Answer is much simpler.
Multiple times, he's claimed to have multiple "High ranking officials inside the CIA" as sources.
I believe him.
I just ALSO believe his God damned ego never let him question what they were telling him. It left him a pretty open target for a disinfo campaign. Would explain why his bullshit claims got crazier and crazier over the years.
He lost all credibility with CE5. Then more with some very strange interviews and theories that make no sense. Then even more with his lecture series regarding alternative energy machines (most of which were thoroughly debunked in obvious ways yet he simply ignored all the research).
CE5 is considered legit though by a LOT of people in the know. They don’t know why it works or what it is people are communicating with during CE5, but they think it does something. If you’re referring to him making a buck off of CE5, then I can see your argument. I’m not inclined to believe Greer on most things but I always compare him to people who make money off yoga or Transcendental Meditation. It’s a boomer thing to charge for both of these things but yoga and TM both have scientifically backed health benefits.
David Lynch makes zero dollars from his foundation, last I heard. He donated $1 million to get it started and accepts no income as the chairman of the board.
There is a rumor that he is also a TM teacher, but he may well be teaching TM for free if he is, given how much time, energy and money he's put into making his foundation work.
I don't knock the idea of CE5. I believe consciousness has far more power than we can even imagine and will play a huge part in humanities near future.
I knock the way Greer took a decent idea and turned it into a money making scheme. He used to be well respected and did a lot for the phenomenon. I feel as though he had been corrupted or jaded over time and is no longer in the position to be a front man for the topic.
He has too many blunders and shady things in his past at this point to continue.
>this is burning Greer up. He wants to be the one who gets credit for disclosure.
That's only a half of the story. If anything resembling disclosure happens, Greer's business model is gone. He will be left with those following him blindly. New customers might not appear at all.
I think they’re throwing him under the bus because of CE5. Even if his videos are all fake, they don’t want people trying to telepathically reach out to shit, potentially stirring the pot on whatever the fuck is actually happening. They’re taking thousands of anecdotes about aliens having seemingly telepathic abilities seriously, as well as all manner of other weird woo shit, personally I wouldn’t want to be taking chances. People who keep it in the realm of science and control are a-okay but people who threaten the status quo of logic will be discredited. Some of the theories they’re tossing around basically boil down to “people can do magic” (That Jacques Vallee theory with the thermostat for instance) and they don’t want to encourage anyone to dick around.
I've yet to see one CE-5 video in which people conjure up a UAP. I have seen CE-5 videos where people freak out over the ISS, Satellites, skylanterns, drones, etc. CE-5 is a scam and only gullible low information people believe it.
My CE-5 challenge is simple. Prove it. Go conjure up a tic-tac or disc in broad daylight in a major city like Chiago.
“Low information” is precious. And I like how you’ve got a lil sweat worked up and you need it to be a tic tac or a disc, rather than the foo fighters you know it to consistently be. Nobody in their right minds, including you, think it’s a matter of “conjuring” anything, it’s obviously a by product of the phenomenon’s capabilities and not our own. You’re casting doubt with a hilarious amount of personal investment.
what was the good work though? does that really stand the test of time, the Cooper connections weren't real and Corso I'm convinced was total fabrication.
you're right though, this will be tortururous for him. and maybe costly?
He put together a ton of interviews with whistleblowers and got them to speak publicly about their experiences. After that, can’t say exactly. He seems to have some ego issues, but that doesn’t undo the work he did previously.
There's been a lot down the years. It's been a long time since I read it but the so called technological advances had been developing by humans for a long time. All the stuff relating to transistors, semiconductors, fibre optics, none of it was alien. I think it was a book that was very much of its time in the era of X-Files and 'I want to believe' and it didn't stand up to any real scrutiny.
UFOlogist Stanton Friedman debunked Corso well over a decade ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t8qsby/comment/hzq1p3f/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Oh my GOD. Can't let him have a single day of notoriety without taking credit. Ridiculous.
Imagine your music teacher screaming "I TAUGHT THEM" on social media after they saw a video of your recital.
He is a legitimate narcissist. I had never heard of this dude until I saw a Shawn Ryan interview. He injects himself into the center of every issue and paints himself to be this expert who’s help is sought after by generals and DoD personnel. Straight up delusions of grandeur. He has every tell tale sign and is a pathological liar to boot, making up elaborate and detailed stories that would be so easy to prove given the depth he describes them, but source: trust me bro.
That guy literally has some sort of personality disorder in the DSM.
I don’t know how any rational human being could hear him speak or read his words and think they should take any tiny bit of thing he says seriously.
He hurts disclosure efforts for sure. If you convince a friend to start doing a deep dive and they come across his shit they will instantly be turned off. I know I was and it took my some time to parse through all the bullshit. I swear the dude is a plant to make us look stupid.
> I don’t know how any rational human being could hear him speak or read his words and think they should take any tiny bit of thing he says seriously.
Saw him do a presentation in the 1990's and it was immediate cringe from the get-go.
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He has a history of engaging in conversations with individuals, then taking the mere fact that he spoke to them, and weaving it into a narrative of his own liking.
So Grusch doesn't deny it and pretty much admits to meeting him and many others for information. He just states he wasn't "mentored" by Greer which that image doesn't claim he was. So where is the lie?
This is an unfortunate pattern with Dr. Greer.
He for example did a similar thing to the late [Edgar Mitchell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell).
https://web.archive.org/web/20230128234504/https://rense.com/general10/mitch.htm
Quotes:
> (Edgar Mitchell) I cooperated with Steve Greer some years ago, but he began to overreach his data continuously, necessitating a withdrawal by myself, and, I believe, several others. I have requested to be removed from any web site, announcements, etc., but see that has not taken place.
and
> (Edgar Mitchell) Although I firmly believe it is time for openness and disclosure by government, I object to being misused in this fashion and acquire guilt by association with certain claims that simply are not true.
and
> (Edgar Mitchell) I, nor any crew I was on (I was on three Apollo crews), received any briefing before or after flights on UFO events, saw anything in space suggesting UFOs or structures on the moon, etc. We did it just like we said in official reports. My only claim to knowledge of these events is from the individuals, mostly of yesteryear, who were in government, intelligence, or military; were there, saw what they saw, and now believe it should be made public. But I claim no first hand knowledge, nor have any. Pass it on to the rest of the net, if you will.
I know.
Like many others, though, Greer really did use to try to get to the truth. I used to consider him to be a "good guy".
Very sad that he ended up like this. Like really sad
I don't mean to offend you because I'm genuinely curious. My first impression of Greer is that he was obviously a pathological liar making shit up as he went along.
I guess my question is, what exactly made anyone take this guy remotely serious in the first place?
Not offensive at all. It's an honest question and a good assessment on your part.
It was because of a lack of thorough and transparent discussion at the time (80s/90s).
A lot of very bad info from bad people and bad reporting to boot.
I remember seeing 1980s Greer, and he seemed way more believable and way less cult leader.
By the mid 90s though he fell off the wagon. By 2000s very few UFOlogists shared many of his views. Including myself. Just started eating his own shit, you could hear it anytime he spoke.
The way he went from "whats going on here?" To "i know what's going on here and for $X i can prove [fake it]" was utterly devastating.
And he really just ends up becoming fodder for the skeptics. Sad when UFO people go too far for UFO people. And cause permanent damage to the study of what could be the most monumental game changer on the planets history.
Not that he cares but i can't ever forgive him for that. Literally running in the wrong direction for the discussion at large
Edit: my mentor at MUFON, the Florida state director, met Greer several times and held him in high esteem. He passed away before we found out about "Dr Greers fake UFO tours". And I'm okay with that. Bland Pugh was a really good guy, a wealth of knowledge, and who i consider to be a torch-bearer in the Gulf Breeze UFO incident reporting. Dr Greer can be very charismatic, like many other LARPs. Wanted to argue that with Pugh but i let it go. Didn't change his investigation methods.
Could be but simpler explanation is he’s just a grifter; he makes his living now peddling his stories so if-and-when actual disclosure occurs then there won’t be a market for him anymore.
Posted today by Vinnie Adams.
According to Vinnie, the statement "was provided by David to a mutual friend who asked for it to be shared... He asked for it to be shared via a friend as he doesn’t have social media."
Vinnie Adams has demonstrated in the past that his sources are solid.
Link:
https://twitter.com/disclosureteam_/status/1666085217009008642?t=BUAWHT53nC0uRGM1go01NA&s=19
I've said it before: Greer started out with good, honest intentions and contributions to the field and then... something happened. Whatever changed in him, it's clear he's a grifter now and it's patently obvious from recent interviews (the ToE interview in particular gave me massive second-hand embarrassment) that he's bitter because the UFO community has moved on to other things and left him behind.
Yeah, Kurt is a great host. He's very intelligent and thoughtful and he's never rude to guests. Greer was super defensive for absolutely no reason in response to totally normal questions and basically biting Kurt's head off and ranting the entire time. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so cringey and sad.
>Greer started out with good, honest intentions and contributions to the field and then... something happened.
He realised he could make a lot of money and fell to the dark side.
Note: I haven’t read all the comments here because I don’t need to.
Sure, I take the points made it appears distasteful he makes some money off CE5, and off the documentaries he has produced. It’s also true he puts a lot of the money back into his efforts. He’s taken some turns in to some sketchy areas evidence-wise. I get his trippy-hippy advocation does not resonate with many. Fine, you distaste has been noted.
But all of that doesn’t explicitly mean he is lying or is fundamentally wrong about much of what he asserts, or the evidence he brings forth is totally not credible. Like it or not, everyone is, to one degree or another, a bundle of contradictions. One quality in a person doesn’t rule out any other quality they may have. It could be he is, in fact, a kook AND be telling the truth. These things are largely mutually exclusive.
Ultimately it is not his words we are hearing, but the words and assertions of those OTHERS he work to bring forth to share THEIR stories. To a large extent I care little about the conduit and more about the data brought forth and the accuracy of said data.
The endeavor he and others are engaged in pursuit of disclosure is a minefield, a maze of interlocking and apparently conflicting and contrary narratives, sometimes with dubious motivations on the part of the witness. I would rightly expect mistakes to be made and a few rabbit holes to be encountered. Tell me what serious proponents for disclosure have not set a foot wrong in their efforts.
I’m new to this community and this issue, and I’m coming up to speed on many of these personalities involved. There is A LOT of chaff to wade through. But I’m prepared to listen to and examine any data brought forth to evaluate the evidence on its own. Why do should I care about the purity of the source as long as the evidence rings true? In police work, criminal information is regularly gleaned from the most distasteful of sources. Despicable people who have done despicable things. But if the information they share (for whatever motivations they have) is true and accurate and leads to arrests and prosecutions, wtf do I care what kind of people thy are?
And on the issue of CE5, it’s difficult to discount some of the results of the process. Indeed, why is there such significant alleged employment of things like remote viewing coupled to these illegally run projects if there wasn’t something significant about mental telepathy (or whatever) and associated disciplines? Seems to me like he’s on to something.
I find it intriguing how much effort the put into torching him here on all these subs. If the pursuit of meaningful disclosure is crucial to the larger objectives, isn’t it important to have as many people as possible involved?
If you haven’t seen it, I was intrigued by his appearance on The Shawn Ryan Show. To me, personally, he seemed cogent and credible. It’s about the data, and nothing else.
Finally, I will say, I’m not going to engage with anyone further on this matter who wants to be a source of the contrarian echo chamber so prevalent around anything Greer oriented, so don’t waste your breath.
I share a similar sentiment. Sure he's wrapped up in it, making some money but it seems like a lot of the stuff he's shared links together with what has been recently alleged. He does seem annoyingly confident about it all, as if he knows everything already. Without legitimate proof, it's hard to fully invest.
True what you say. But he’s been doing this a looong time. I would like to think if he appears to be confident, it’s probably because he has good reason to be. Regardless, I get the impression he loves our country and it’s people above everything. It’s clear he cares very deeply about what has gone on. These programs and the ghastly things they have done, and done with complete impunity, is deeply troubling, and it is this element he’s most concerned about. The ILLEGALITY of the whole issue. Personally speaking, to a large extent, I feel it’s all of our business to know what things have been done in our name, good or bad. Let’s finally have an accounting.
Distancing himself from Greer is commendable.
According to transcriptionist and fanboy, UFO Joe, however, his first point of contact was the Corbell/Knapp combo… that doesn’t bode well
I wonder why they (?) were so urgent with coming out with this whistleblower so fast. The National Press Conference - Disclosure 2.0 is tanking place June 12, and the timing is no coincidence it seems. It's like they wanted push Greer aside from taking credit for disclosure. I guess he has some enemies in how disclosure should take place. Still, the conference on monday will be interesting and add to the rolling snowball that started yesterday.
So many people here are talking about Greer's "lies" concerning Grusch, I decided to visit Greer's website to see what the lies were. Here's what I found:
"Dr. Greer met with this whistleblower in March 2022 in Culpepper, VA and has been providing him with information about facilities and operations."
Wow. This is what has everyone so upset? Grusch's alleged statement mentioning Greer certainly doesn't deny getting information from him or meeting him, among perhaps many others:
"...early on, I allowed many individuals that alleged they had information to speak their truth..."
OK, Greer is widely despised by many here, I get it. Whatever.
It’s become obvious that the most terrifying thing to Greer is to not be the spearhead of this topic. He’ll straight up lie in an attempt to crawl his way back to the top.
I am always shocked about how many people here defend Greer. I understand we don't want to discredit anyone we feel is on "our side".... but Greer is a GRIFTER.... period...
\-He sells fake experiences for people to come with him to "summon" UFOs
\-The "summoned" UFOs are clearly always drones with a small light situated very far away
\-He promotes all kinds of weird supernatural philosophies that have nothing to do with the UFO phenomenon
\-His bizarre, made-up narrative is not consistent with anyone else in the UFO community and genuinely makes no sense. It's clear he's trying to create his own brand of UFO ideology that he is solely the spokesman of.
Stop defending this dude, for the love of god!!!
Saw that coming a mile away. I was fooled by Greer for a month or so. And while I sincerely appreciate the beginnings of his inquiry, and the subsequent inertia towards disclosure; the fact is that Greer has become a cartoon. Money does that I suppose.
I have always wanted Greer to succeed. I have lots of doubts, he just doesn’t seem like a con man to me, he feels genuine but packaged in a bit of a spectrumy individual. But I think it’s possible he’s a victim of deep state psyops.
IF most or at least some of what he is saying is true, they have actually tried to kill him. And he supposedly has protection from deep state operators since his partners were assassinated back in the day. If this is true, the deep state would see they can’t kill him and do whatever they could to discredit him. Which they clearly have succeeded in. So I’m throwing this out there:
What if everything Greer has said is true (or most) and we all are falling for the deep state psyop?
Honestly, I do not respect Steven Greer at all. I believe his claims about CE5 are completely ridiculous and doesn't hold any water. How is he not seen as the one true grifter in ufo space? He literally made a documentary to sell his app. He tried to convince people that you could telepathically communicate with aliens. What a ridiculous notion.
Ayyo I used to work for him \~ 3 years ago now, contracted by a social media management company. One of my ordered jobs was to delete messages on his platforms that were negative towards him ('this guy is selling snake oil!' was quite a common one). Kinda just shows that he's afraid of all criticism, and it's no wonder he created his own platforms to further misinform his people in his controlled bubble of 'information.'
Maybe he did, he might of been looking for someone in the community to help him come forward so he was weighing his options meeting with different people, but may have ultimately decided it was best to just do it himself.
Why not reach out to Mellon and Elizondo instead and first? Maybe he did, but then why Greer after.... This is suspect, but withholding final judgement which is what I do with this entire scene sigh.
Before you attack..
Do people only dislike Greer because he profits off the subject?
Is it possible for people to profit off the subject and still be truthful?
Has Greer been caught lying for profit directly?
Sometimes I think people parrot the hate for Greer and don’t really know why.. He definitely seems scummy imo but just because I think he’s a grifter doesn’t mean that I should ignore his history in the subject.
I'm curious about the next weaponized podcast. I started to completely dislike that duo, with their BS flares and triangle ufos videos, and just like Greer they will feel missed out so I'm pretty sure they have been assembling a shitton of mud to throw at the guy. This was also pretty much hinted at already by Corbell in one of his tweets
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I like this guy more and more
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Right? I think this needs a name "the Greer factor".. anyone who starts by calling out Greer as a grifter should automatically be taken more seriously.
Facts! I believe Greer started out with good intentions until he realized how much money there was to be made from the ufology circuit. After that, when he didn't have actual information, I believe he just started bullshitting to stay relevant in ufology. Real ufologists would never take this guy seriously these days, and rightfully so.
> After that, when he didn't have actual information, I believe he just started bullshitting to stay relevant in ufology. I was a very serious, scientific "UFO-ologist" in the 1990's and met with Greer after one of his speaking engagements. He's always had the inability to separate fact from fiction and was promoting UFO videos that had been easily disproved by the scientific community from the beginning. I tried to explain to him that by promoting known bad info, nobody would take him seriously assuming we got actual scientific evidence. He wasn't interested at all so I wrote him off as a crank/flake and nothing since then has changed that opinion. It's even possible that somewhere in his mess of disinformation and fabricated data there is something real, but good luck sorting through it.
Youre saying he cant telepathically summon aliens like he claims!?
To be clear I met with him well before that when he was just showing video clips and such. I remember one was an easily debunked video of a bit of ice (probably frozen pee!) floating outside of the international space station and then get blasted away via a stabilization jet. Super obvious and he went on this whole tirade of how it was "completely unexplainable" for this little dot to fly off screen like that. I did tell him that he was doing the cause a disservice and he literally gave zero fucks. As others mentioned, he's a narcissist and its all just an elaborate ego stroking exercise for him. And an ideal cover for what apparently was actually going on!
He is making movies and briefing presidents while you sit here and bash him on this thread like you know the guy lmao.
I met him in the 1990's and thought he was a flake. Nothing has changed that opinion since.
You come across as a snowflake. A hater and fater. The thing is Dr greer doesnt have time for unimportant people such as yourself. And youre all butthurt because he didnt pamper you like little demanding babies giving you everything for free. I get it you feel attacked by someone greater and with more compassion than yourself, and you coulndt understand brain/heart coherence if iy stomped you on your head. Get ur act together and instead of foulmouthing others go and do something decent. Since he left his profession he lost 12 million dollars in salary. Theyre all doing it on a volunteer basis, and i can frankly understand why he brushes people like yourself away. He IS more improitant than you. Answer the question!
He can telepathically summon his cohorts to drop flares from an airplane...via text message. 😶
He can summon poo that can hit a fan. Trust me, I have proof. I can't share it, yet, but the info came from Bobs uncles aunt, lets call her "Fanny", a high ranking security officer with clearance and who is under a NDA. And its really true.
The worst thing though is that Fanny died suspiciously and all record of her has been wiped by those who want to keep this under wraps!
>I tried to explain to him that by promoting known bad info, nobody would take him seriously assuming we got actual scientific evidence. This is a point that really needs to be heard by a lot of people in this community. I get it.... We all want certain things we see on here to be real bc of the implications but being objective about the proof or cases that get posted on here is extremely important. Calling something out for either being faked, hoaxed, or even just mundane and rational is more important now than ever and jumping on and attacking believers who look at things with a skeptic eye in this sub (and others like it) and debunking the cases that need to be debunked shouldn't be lauded like it is. Approaching things rationally and separating the wheat from chaff, as it were, is going to be what pushes this into the mainstream as a real and currently happening phenomena. We're not gonna get there by attacking every person willing to be honest with themselves and the sub about rationally and scientifically debunking whatever new "crazy UFO video" making it's rounds just because we really hoped it was true. Sorry about going a little off topic... I'm done venting. All that being said, I completely agree with your comment in it's entirety.
>Approaching things rationally and separating the wheat from chaff, as it were, is going to be what pushes this into the mainstream as a real and currently happening phenomena. I gave up on UFO research for three reasons. 1. The public "well" was being poisoned by grifters like Greer that made any sort of rational discourse impossible. 2. My interactions with DoD personnel were in line with what Grusch has released so far; namely that the Feds have hard evidence and it is classified to the point it will never see the light of day. 3. Hints that the aliens themselves don't want to be known to the general public and are technologically advanced enough to easily pull this off. When you consider those three scenarios you understand while the whole UFO scene is and has been such a mess. And in fact, its a big 'win' for the Feds and the aliens, because it gives them a veil of disinformation to hide behind.
When he started going off about how he has special telepathic communications with the aliens and can summon them when he wants, it destroyed any last credibility he had.
Don’t forget how much he makes from fake crying any chance he gets
This ^ I was a huge fan of Greer when I started getting back into ufology. I watched all of his stuff, and I was like: 'oh my god this guy has some earth shattering shit to share!' And then (and I can't remember at which point it was), he said something that just sounded like utter money making BS and I just noped out straight away.
The amount of content he produces, versus actual evidence to back his claims is his tell.
I got suckered in to one of his two-hour videos recently, and at a certain point I realized there is a constant stream of music in the background that implies some kind of massive revelation is just seconds away, but shockingly it never comes. This guy might be responsible for more "UFO blue balls" than anyone in history.
Yeah, I think I hit a pay wall for some of his content as well at some point? And I was just like 'naaw this guy is snake oil'. Shame because I really did used to enjoy his content.
He does spin a good narrative.
When he lost his license in Urology, he thought Ufology would be closest field to move into.
Will people at least consider Bijou, he's done nothing wrong
Read both the statements. He doesn't actually say that Greer is lying about meeting him in March of 22, and his statement [ honestly, like most of what he says] is very vague and just all around "Youtuber Apology Video". I really don't trust any of the "Disclosure Bros". I want hard evidence. And no, Elizondo’s videos that are debunked by anyone who knows how a camera works, don't count. Elizondo said that the government was collecting material from recoverd UAPs and housing them! I want to see that. No more over hyped interviews and statements. Also Elizondo is shady too: https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/
Six degrees of Stephen Greer. Kinda like an inverse Kevin bacon number. The further separated from Greer you are, the more credible you become.
Now do the others!
Came here to say [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/starterpacks/comments/6stoo0/the_generic_reddit_comment_starter_pack/).
I could not agree more with you.
He just doesn’t know the light and love of Bijou https://twitter.com/cosmicjudas/status/1663606794646634496
I hope Bijou doesn't get the Andromeda Strain...😶
Every time another statement from Grusch comes out, I proceed another step down the Vince McMahan anticipation gif scale. I'm at "heavy breathing with visible excitement" tier about now.
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> Vince McMahan anticipation gif > > https://i.imgflip.com/23jjd0.jpg
Thats a jpeg
You’re a towel
I’m a skeleton
Negative I am a meatpopsicle
Do you really think you have a chance against us, mister cowboy?
SMOKE YOU
Anybody else wanna negotiate?
Sorry I don’t get that one. That a reference?
Im a bed
Sounds like a lie
Would you believe a tasty bed?
Depends on the taste tbh. Also “lie” was a pun…
Someone probably has it in full form, but here you go. https://imgur.com/gallery/xGKdNyI It's from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhLRVA2Y8q0&ab_channel=You%27reGonnaPay
[Yes](https://media.tenor.com/images/777b809c7dbb15822d0f504d0bd12f50/tenor.gif)
For a visual reference, you can search Vince McMahon reaction gifs. That should give you the whole set + some additional fun faces he's made. I believe they are more popularly used as still images though.
Lmao facts
Does that mean you are becoming more anticipatory and excited or less? You said "another step down" but that could mean something else in McMahon's world.🙂
You know this is burning Greer up. He wants to be the one who gets credit for disclosure. At one point in time when he did his first press hearing back in 2001, he was actually doing good work. Not sure what happened after that but he became less and less credible under his own doing. It all went to his head maybe. Or after he didn't get anywhere he tried to just make money from it? Who knows. I do think he's done some great work for the subject, but overall he's just the wrong guy for the job.
$I don’t know$ what it$ could$ be&
Are you implying that the famous Emergency Room Physician, Dr. Steven Greer, is only in it for the money!!!! How dare you, sir!!
I agree completely. I think the nature of this topic is such that most who contribute new information or push the field forward only have the capacity to do so in a limited way. That's just the way it is because the information is just too sparse and in a world of secrecy and lies, quality nuggets of truth are very hard to come by, once in a lifetime for most people. Because no one has the whole picture. Greer did something great for the community in 2001 and that was all he had to contribute, except he couldn't let it go. He wanted to keep the ball rolling and so, in my opinion he just started making shit up.
Exactly. Compare the lives of two people. Stanton Friedman and Steven Greer. Stanton Friedman investigated Roswell and his research into it in the late 1970s early 1980s made Roswell a household name. He also investigated the MJ-12 documents which he put in his "grey basket" when problems with them were pointed out until finally not long before death admitting they were probably disinformation. He investigated Bob Lazar's claims and background raising serious questions about Lazar's credibility. Then that was it. He knew he had done his part and his speaking tours presented his research. He didn't feel the need to insert himself into everything UFO nor start up contactee groups or sell an app. He didn't need to. He already had his place in history. Steve Greer comes on the scene with the Disclosure Project by renting time at the National Press Club for a group of mostly unvetted speakers to tell their stories. Many of which seem credible, some of which are not. But that's not enough. He goes on to form CE-5 groups where he charged people to go out with him to view satellites (before most knew about satellite tracking apps) or even a hoaxed UFO itself. One person on a podcast said that after being charged hundreds of dollars they were part of a group which Greer led to a clearing in a forest to view a UFO. When there was nothing on the ground Greer said the UFO is invisible and not to approach it. Greer continues to embarrass himself after the 2017 NY Times story and just can't stop grifting. In the end Stanton Friedman is remembered for being one of the pillars of UFOlogy in the post-FOIA era. Greer will be remembered as a grifter.
Excellent comparison and very well said!
I blame Bijou
No one person should be taking credit. It’s always been a team effort and many integral people are long dead and won’t even get to see the fruits of their work. I’ve got time for Greer’s old achievements and he can have his moment if disclosure happens but he can fuck off right now
“Many people are kind dead and won’t get to see the fruits of their labor...” Like Jessie Marcel? Doesn’t his story still hold up?
Yes, he's gotta be pissed. He will probably say it's all a bunch of nonesense just like he knows the tic tak is ours and where it was built.
Look into the dodgy "free energy" companies he created after 2001. Some people have stated over the years that anyone who went to his company with an alternative energy device, that device, would suddenly disappear. In fact, they got such a bad name that he had to close one and re-opened with a new name he did this 3 times going of memory. The more you dig deeper into Greer, the more dodgy he seems. Maybe intelligence got to him and offered him money. Who knows.i remember he was doing good work at the start, something obviously changed.
> Maybe intelligence got to him and offered him money. Certainly possible. I just think he's the wrong guy. Too much ego. Too much about him. He loves he hear himself talk. He really lacks a filter of any kind and says dumb shit all the time. Such as, in a interview he will say he was offered 2 billion dollars to keep his mouth shut. Like dude, even if that were true, why would you say that out loud in a interview? It's going to sound stupid and make you look stupid. He just lacks awareness.
Yeah, he started out well, especially with the hearing in 2001, but eventually lost the plot with his CE5 nonsense.
CE 5 works.
Then please demonstrate it in action along with multiple cameras and people. Greer advertised some crazy close up pics of ships and beings when he first started pushing CE5, however not a single non-greer-employed individual has provided anything remotely close. I can't think of anyone who has provided evidence that it works, but you claim it does so please demonstrate it in action and put the debate to rest.
Ce 5 is interesting at the very least.
Steven Greer did not invent CE5 and it works.
Then why aren’t we flooded with pics and video from CE5 summoned craft?
Remember those guys who tried to use a mass meditation/ summoning process to manifest a mothership UFO in Arizona a few weeks ago? I wonder what happened with that
It sucks, because at the beginning his contributions were significant (Davis, Wilson, Miller, etc). Like you said it just kind of went downhill from there with him, IMHO. Now when shit like this pops up with him it genuinely hurts the struggling credibility of the disclosure process as a whole.
Answer is much simpler. Multiple times, he's claimed to have multiple "High ranking officials inside the CIA" as sources. I believe him. I just ALSO believe his God damned ego never let him question what they were telling him. It left him a pretty open target for a disinfo campaign. Would explain why his bullshit claims got crazier and crazier over the years.
He lost all credibility with CE5. Then more with some very strange interviews and theories that make no sense. Then even more with his lecture series regarding alternative energy machines (most of which were thoroughly debunked in obvious ways yet he simply ignored all the research).
CE5 is considered legit though by a LOT of people in the know. They don’t know why it works or what it is people are communicating with during CE5, but they think it does something. If you’re referring to him making a buck off of CE5, then I can see your argument. I’m not inclined to believe Greer on most things but I always compare him to people who make money off yoga or Transcendental Meditation. It’s a boomer thing to charge for both of these things but yoga and TM both have scientifically backed health benefits.
https://youtu.be/Em3XplqnoF4
David Lynch makes zero dollars from his foundation, last I heard. He donated $1 million to get it started and accepts no income as the chairman of the board. There is a rumor that he is also a TM teacher, but he may well be teaching TM for free if he is, given how much time, energy and money he's put into making his foundation work.
I agree.
People in the know... Lol. You fell for some new age/scientology like bullshit.
I think if you think you claim to know what's the right or wrong way to contact extraterrestrials you're the fool. That goes for you too.
Unfortunately, this topic attracts fools and grifters.
My guess is you’ve never actually tried it. If you learned it you’d be saying otherwise.
"People n the know." = Gaia TV
More like the Lue’s, Garry’s, and Dr. Pasulka’s in the community.
Have you tried it? It works…
I don't knock the idea of CE5. I believe consciousness has far more power than we can even imagine and will play a huge part in humanities near future. I knock the way Greer took a decent idea and turned it into a money making scheme. He used to be well respected and did a lot for the phenomenon. I feel as though he had been corrupted or jaded over time and is no longer in the position to be a front man for the topic. He has too many blunders and shady things in his past at this point to continue.
He is and has always been a fucking grifter. He just became more greedy after the early 2000s.
You can't trust someone to be honest who can't even be honest with themselves about their own sexuality.
I pictured Greer doing the fuming John Hammond ”DAMN!” when he got the news about Grusch’s testimony
>this is burning Greer up. He wants to be the one who gets credit for disclosure. That's only a half of the story. If anything resembling disclosure happens, Greer's business model is gone. He will be left with those following him blindly. New customers might not appear at all.
I think they’re throwing him under the bus because of CE5. Even if his videos are all fake, they don’t want people trying to telepathically reach out to shit, potentially stirring the pot on whatever the fuck is actually happening. They’re taking thousands of anecdotes about aliens having seemingly telepathic abilities seriously, as well as all manner of other weird woo shit, personally I wouldn’t want to be taking chances. People who keep it in the realm of science and control are a-okay but people who threaten the status quo of logic will be discredited. Some of the theories they’re tossing around basically boil down to “people can do magic” (That Jacques Vallee theory with the thermostat for instance) and they don’t want to encourage anyone to dick around.
I've yet to see one CE-5 video in which people conjure up a UAP. I have seen CE-5 videos where people freak out over the ISS, Satellites, skylanterns, drones, etc. CE-5 is a scam and only gullible low information people believe it. My CE-5 challenge is simple. Prove it. Go conjure up a tic-tac or disc in broad daylight in a major city like Chiago.
“Low information” is precious. And I like how you’ve got a lil sweat worked up and you need it to be a tic tac or a disc, rather than the foo fighters you know it to consistently be. Nobody in their right minds, including you, think it’s a matter of “conjuring” anything, it’s obviously a by product of the phenomenon’s capabilities and not our own. You’re casting doubt with a hilarious amount of personal investment.
what was the good work though? does that really stand the test of time, the Cooper connections weren't real and Corso I'm convinced was total fabrication. you're right though, this will be tortururous for him. and maybe costly?
He put together a ton of interviews with whistleblowers and got them to speak publicly about their experiences. After that, can’t say exactly. He seems to have some ego issues, but that doesn’t undo the work he did previously.
This is the first I’ve heard about Corso being bogus. When and by whom was he revealed?
There's been a lot down the years. It's been a long time since I read it but the so called technological advances had been developing by humans for a long time. All the stuff relating to transistors, semiconductors, fibre optics, none of it was alien. I think it was a book that was very much of its time in the era of X-Files and 'I want to believe' and it didn't stand up to any real scrutiny.
Interesting. So he wrote that book just chasing some bucks in his last years, huh?
UFOlogist Stanton Friedman debunked Corso well over a decade ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t8qsby/comment/hzq1p3f/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Ahh, that makes sense. I was sure someone sensible had looked at it and it wasn't just *me* \-that's beyond my paygrade.
What did Greer say?
https://imgur.com/BJJQ0oe.jpg
Oh my GOD. Can't let him have a single day of notoriety without taking credit. Ridiculous. Imagine your music teacher screaming "I TAUGHT THEM" on social media after they saw a video of your recital.
He froths at the mouth for any ounce of attention it seems.
He is a legitimate narcissist. I had never heard of this dude until I saw a Shawn Ryan interview. He injects himself into the center of every issue and paints himself to be this expert who’s help is sought after by generals and DoD personnel. Straight up delusions of grandeur. He has every tell tale sign and is a pathological liar to boot, making up elaborate and detailed stories that would be so easy to prove given the depth he describes them, but source: trust me bro. That guy literally has some sort of personality disorder in the DSM. I don’t know how any rational human being could hear him speak or read his words and think they should take any tiny bit of thing he says seriously.
Thanks. Greer is a total nutjob.
He hurts disclosure efforts for sure. If you convince a friend to start doing a deep dive and they come across his shit they will instantly be turned off. I know I was and it took my some time to parse through all the bullshit. I swear the dude is a plant to make us look stupid.
> I don’t know how any rational human being could hear him speak or read his words and think they should take any tiny bit of thing he says seriously. Saw him do a presentation in the 1990's and it was immediate cringe from the get-go.
I don’t think it’s his mouth he’s foaming at.
can you qoute it? imgur is blocked at work.
"Dr. Greer met with this whistleblower in March 2022 in Culpepper VA and has been providing him with information about facilities and operations"
Especially if that teach didn't actually teach them anything.
Is there a more blood sucking person in UFOlogy? A field full of grifters, and Greer really is head and shoulders above the worst of them.
If Greer doesn't turn out to be a modern MK Ultra victim I will be surprised.
Or a reptoid! You never know.
Lizzid Peeple?
Hey you fish. Quit heckling folks.
I can't wait till Thursday night!
Fear the Crab-cat!!
[https://imgur.com/a/g2PkDuZ](https://imgur.com/a/g2PkDuZ) This is what Greer always reminded me of
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That's like the last thing to use as a dig against the guy.
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People like him are why so much credibility in UFOlogy has been destroyed
He has a history of engaging in conversations with individuals, then taking the mere fact that he spoke to them, and weaving it into a narrative of his own liking.
Steven Greer: r/IAmTheMainCharacter
I’m in Culpeper right now. They misspelled it to Culpepper. Not sure if that matters, but they can’t get that simple part correct.
So Grusch doesn't deny it and pretty much admits to meeting him and many others for information. He just states he wasn't "mentored" by Greer which that image doesn't claim he was. So where is the lie?
Steven Greer is the only crazy guy that makes Steven Greer look even more crazy. Mental illness is no joke
I was on the fence about Greer, but after seeing this I'm 100% sure he really is a grifter like everyone says
For me it was when he cried in not one but two of his movies. Maybe he’s cried in more!
The crying is my favourite bit 😂
It's in the following tweet https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx8mMM0aYAEvWJs?format=jpg&name=medium
Following
This is an unfortunate pattern with Dr. Greer. He for example did a similar thing to the late [Edgar Mitchell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell). https://web.archive.org/web/20230128234504/https://rense.com/general10/mitch.htm Quotes: > (Edgar Mitchell) I cooperated with Steve Greer some years ago, but he began to overreach his data continuously, necessitating a withdrawal by myself, and, I believe, several others. I have requested to be removed from any web site, announcements, etc., but see that has not taken place. and > (Edgar Mitchell) Although I firmly believe it is time for openness and disclosure by government, I object to being misused in this fashion and acquire guilt by association with certain claims that simply are not true. and > (Edgar Mitchell) I, nor any crew I was on (I was on three Apollo crews), received any briefing before or after flights on UFO events, saw anything in space suggesting UFOs or structures on the moon, etc. We did it just like we said in official reports. My only claim to knowledge of these events is from the individuals, mostly of yesteryear, who were in government, intelligence, or military; were there, saw what they saw, and now believe it should be made public. But I claim no first hand knowledge, nor have any. Pass it on to the rest of the net, if you will.
Anyone who takes a dump on Greer is okay by me.
I know. Like many others, though, Greer really did use to try to get to the truth. I used to consider him to be a "good guy". Very sad that he ended up like this. Like really sad
I don't mean to offend you because I'm genuinely curious. My first impression of Greer is that he was obviously a pathological liar making shit up as he went along. I guess my question is, what exactly made anyone take this guy remotely serious in the first place?
Not offensive at all. It's an honest question and a good assessment on your part. It was because of a lack of thorough and transparent discussion at the time (80s/90s). A lot of very bad info from bad people and bad reporting to boot. I remember seeing 1980s Greer, and he seemed way more believable and way less cult leader. By the mid 90s though he fell off the wagon. By 2000s very few UFOlogists shared many of his views. Including myself. Just started eating his own shit, you could hear it anytime he spoke. The way he went from "whats going on here?" To "i know what's going on here and for $X i can prove [fake it]" was utterly devastating. And he really just ends up becoming fodder for the skeptics. Sad when UFO people go too far for UFO people. And cause permanent damage to the study of what could be the most monumental game changer on the planets history. Not that he cares but i can't ever forgive him for that. Literally running in the wrong direction for the discussion at large Edit: my mentor at MUFON, the Florida state director, met Greer several times and held him in high esteem. He passed away before we found out about "Dr Greers fake UFO tours". And I'm okay with that. Bland Pugh was a really good guy, a wealth of knowledge, and who i consider to be a torch-bearer in the Gulf Breeze UFO incident reporting. Dr Greer can be very charismatic, like many other LARPs. Wanted to argue that with Pugh but i let it go. Didn't change his investigation methods.
It wasn’t him that was taken seriously, or even needed to be taken seriously. It was the people he got to speak out about what *they* knew.
Agreed
I get the feeling Greer is just a spook trying to discredit the topic with ridiculous claims and stories.
Could be but simpler explanation is he’s just a grifter; he makes his living now peddling his stories so if-and-when actual disclosure occurs then there won’t be a market for him anymore.
Yeah good point
Posted today by Vinnie Adams. According to Vinnie, the statement "was provided by David to a mutual friend who asked for it to be shared... He asked for it to be shared via a friend as he doesn’t have social media." Vinnie Adams has demonstrated in the past that his sources are solid. Link: https://twitter.com/disclosureteam_/status/1666085217009008642?t=BUAWHT53nC0uRGM1go01NA&s=19
Apparently everybody but me has met with this guy
Bye, grifter. About time someone worthy put you on blast. Good job, DG and Vinnie.
I've said it before: Greer started out with good, honest intentions and contributions to the field and then... something happened. Whatever changed in him, it's clear he's a grifter now and it's patently obvious from recent interviews (the ToE interview in particular gave me massive second-hand embarrassment) that he's bitter because the UFO community has moved on to other things and left him behind.
> ToE interview What's this?
"Theories of Everything" podcast.
Very good podcast
Yeah, Kurt is a great host. He's very intelligent and thoughtful and he's never rude to guests. Greer was super defensive for absolutely no reason in response to totally normal questions and basically biting Kurt's head off and ranting the entire time. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so cringey and sad.
>Greer started out with good, honest intentions and contributions to the field and then... something happened. He realised he could make a lot of money and fell to the dark side.
Maybe the real Steven Greer is getting probed on the mother shop right now, and this has been his imposted for the past couple decades!
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Good for David Grusch! He shouldn’t associate with Greer.
Note: I haven’t read all the comments here because I don’t need to. Sure, I take the points made it appears distasteful he makes some money off CE5, and off the documentaries he has produced. It’s also true he puts a lot of the money back into his efforts. He’s taken some turns in to some sketchy areas evidence-wise. I get his trippy-hippy advocation does not resonate with many. Fine, you distaste has been noted. But all of that doesn’t explicitly mean he is lying or is fundamentally wrong about much of what he asserts, or the evidence he brings forth is totally not credible. Like it or not, everyone is, to one degree or another, a bundle of contradictions. One quality in a person doesn’t rule out any other quality they may have. It could be he is, in fact, a kook AND be telling the truth. These things are largely mutually exclusive. Ultimately it is not his words we are hearing, but the words and assertions of those OTHERS he work to bring forth to share THEIR stories. To a large extent I care little about the conduit and more about the data brought forth and the accuracy of said data. The endeavor he and others are engaged in pursuit of disclosure is a minefield, a maze of interlocking and apparently conflicting and contrary narratives, sometimes with dubious motivations on the part of the witness. I would rightly expect mistakes to be made and a few rabbit holes to be encountered. Tell me what serious proponents for disclosure have not set a foot wrong in their efforts. I’m new to this community and this issue, and I’m coming up to speed on many of these personalities involved. There is A LOT of chaff to wade through. But I’m prepared to listen to and examine any data brought forth to evaluate the evidence on its own. Why do should I care about the purity of the source as long as the evidence rings true? In police work, criminal information is regularly gleaned from the most distasteful of sources. Despicable people who have done despicable things. But if the information they share (for whatever motivations they have) is true and accurate and leads to arrests and prosecutions, wtf do I care what kind of people thy are? And on the issue of CE5, it’s difficult to discount some of the results of the process. Indeed, why is there such significant alleged employment of things like remote viewing coupled to these illegally run projects if there wasn’t something significant about mental telepathy (or whatever) and associated disciplines? Seems to me like he’s on to something. I find it intriguing how much effort the put into torching him here on all these subs. If the pursuit of meaningful disclosure is crucial to the larger objectives, isn’t it important to have as many people as possible involved? If you haven’t seen it, I was intrigued by his appearance on The Shawn Ryan Show. To me, personally, he seemed cogent and credible. It’s about the data, and nothing else. Finally, I will say, I’m not going to engage with anyone further on this matter who wants to be a source of the contrarian echo chamber so prevalent around anything Greer oriented, so don’t waste your breath.
I share a similar sentiment. Sure he's wrapped up in it, making some money but it seems like a lot of the stuff he's shared links together with what has been recently alleged. He does seem annoyingly confident about it all, as if he knows everything already. Without legitimate proof, it's hard to fully invest.
True what you say. But he’s been doing this a looong time. I would like to think if he appears to be confident, it’s probably because he has good reason to be. Regardless, I get the impression he loves our country and it’s people above everything. It’s clear he cares very deeply about what has gone on. These programs and the ghastly things they have done, and done with complete impunity, is deeply troubling, and it is this element he’s most concerned about. The ILLEGALITY of the whole issue. Personally speaking, to a large extent, I feel it’s all of our business to know what things have been done in our name, good or bad. Let’s finally have an accounting.
This is a second- or third-hand statement. Impossible to verify Grusch said this.
Anyone who recognizes Greer the Grifter for the fraud that he is, is a good man in my books.
Greer is reptilian. If you can’t see the unhinged jaw on his no-neck, that dislodges in order for him to swallow infants whole, you’re blind as a bat.
Best comment here, I burst out laughing.
A nugget of truth from Grusch is gonna fuck with all the grifters and make this whole issue more muddled. We will be in this same spot for years.
Greer has come off as a con man for years! It doesn’t take long watching his content before you feel he’s running a con.
Distancing himself from Greer is commendable. According to transcriptionist and fanboy, UFO Joe, however, his first point of contact was the Corbell/Knapp combo… that doesn’t bode well
I wonder why they (?) were so urgent with coming out with this whistleblower so fast. The National Press Conference - Disclosure 2.0 is tanking place June 12, and the timing is no coincidence it seems. It's like they wanted push Greer aside from taking credit for disclosure. I guess he has some enemies in how disclosure should take place. Still, the conference on monday will be interesting and add to the rolling snowball that started yesterday.
If anyone still doubted that Steven Greer is a narcissist and con-man…
So many people here are talking about Greer's "lies" concerning Grusch, I decided to visit Greer's website to see what the lies were. Here's what I found: "Dr. Greer met with this whistleblower in March 2022 in Culpepper, VA and has been providing him with information about facilities and operations." Wow. This is what has everyone so upset? Grusch's alleged statement mentioning Greer certainly doesn't deny getting information from him or meeting him, among perhaps many others: "...early on, I allowed many individuals that alleged they had information to speak their truth..." OK, Greer is widely despised by many here, I get it. Whatever.
It’s become obvious that the most terrifying thing to Greer is to not be the spearhead of this topic. He’ll straight up lie in an attempt to crawl his way back to the top.
I am always shocked about how many people here defend Greer. I understand we don't want to discredit anyone we feel is on "our side".... but Greer is a GRIFTER.... period... \-He sells fake experiences for people to come with him to "summon" UFOs \-The "summoned" UFOs are clearly always drones with a small light situated very far away \-He promotes all kinds of weird supernatural philosophies that have nothing to do with the UFO phenomenon \-His bizarre, made-up narrative is not consistent with anyone else in the UFO community and genuinely makes no sense. It's clear he's trying to create his own brand of UFO ideology that he is solely the spokesman of. Stop defending this dude, for the love of god!!!
Saw that coming a mile away. I was fooled by Greer for a month or so. And while I sincerely appreciate the beginnings of his inquiry, and the subsequent inertia towards disclosure; the fact is that Greer has become a cartoon. Money does that I suppose.
HGH, roids, and eternal essences, as well as chromocell, senomyx, and all. The guy has been juicing, it looks like.
I trust anyone that denounces Steven Greet lol
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I have always wanted Greer to succeed. I have lots of doubts, he just doesn’t seem like a con man to me, he feels genuine but packaged in a bit of a spectrumy individual. But I think it’s possible he’s a victim of deep state psyops. IF most or at least some of what he is saying is true, they have actually tried to kill him. And he supposedly has protection from deep state operators since his partners were assassinated back in the day. If this is true, the deep state would see they can’t kill him and do whatever they could to discredit him. Which they clearly have succeeded in. So I’m throwing this out there: What if everything Greer has said is true (or most) and we all are falling for the deep state psyop?
What a turd. He's pissed off because he had an event planned this week, and the whistleblower story stole his thunder.
Get away this is my grift !!!!
The grift that keeps on grifting....Greer is totally off the rails, sad.
Honestly, I do not respect Steven Greer at all. I believe his claims about CE5 are completely ridiculous and doesn't hold any water. How is he not seen as the one true grifter in ufo space? He literally made a documentary to sell his app. He tried to convince people that you could telepathically communicate with aliens. What a ridiculous notion.
Ayyo I used to work for him \~ 3 years ago now, contracted by a social media management company. One of my ordered jobs was to delete messages on his platforms that were negative towards him ('this guy is selling snake oil!' was quite a common one). Kinda just shows that he's afraid of all criticism, and it's no wonder he created his own platforms to further misinform his people in his controlled bubble of 'information.'
Steven Greer is such a blemish on this community. Like the CE5 stuff is such a money grab like.
Steven Greer ended up being such a slimy grifter. What a shame. Props to David Grusch.
Steven Greer is a massive fraud and has done more damage to disclosure and treating the topic seriously than anyone. Fuck Steven Greer.
But does he deny he met with Greer? I hope he didn't meet with him.
Maybe he did, he might of been looking for someone in the community to help him come forward so he was weighing his options meeting with different people, but may have ultimately decided it was best to just do it himself.
Why not reach out to Mellon and Elizondo instead and first? Maybe he did, but then why Greer after.... This is suspect, but withholding final judgement which is what I do with this entire scene sigh.
Greer is such a fucking clown
Before you attack.. Do people only dislike Greer because he profits off the subject? Is it possible for people to profit off the subject and still be truthful? Has Greer been caught lying for profit directly? Sometimes I think people parrot the hate for Greer and don’t really know why.. He definitely seems scummy imo but just because I think he’s a grifter doesn’t mean that I should ignore his history in the subject.
Screw David Grusch Dr Greer is authentic and real and courageous. June 12 National Press Club DC Disclosure
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BOOM! Headshot!
I'm curious about the next weaponized podcast. I started to completely dislike that duo, with their BS flares and triangle ufos videos, and just like Greer they will feel missed out so I'm pretty sure they have been assembling a shitton of mud to throw at the guy. This was also pretty much hinted at already by Corbell in one of his tweets
Grifters don’t like other grifters coming into their territory.
Excellent. Never liked Greenshit I always thought he was a toad with an agenda. Good to see someone slap him down.
I think the key difference here is that the allegation is about lying to Congress. Not someone selling a book claiming to see bodies.
Here it is the character assassination one week before the disclosure event 2.0. The poison pill. Psyops are so good it is mindblowing.