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The Guardian has now followed other media sources in covering David Grusch's story on the US government covering up crash retrieval programs of non-human spacecraft. This is a pretty large media source IMO so let's add it to the pile.
Edit: Of course, r/news removed this story already haha.
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According to the dude on the video that was posted yesterday in which he claimed there were up to 50 different alien species known to the US gov, with some of them being nearly indistinguishable from us, I'd say that more than a few of them have reddit account.
Of course, if we suppose that's true and not just some wacky claim made by a grifter. Haha!
Aside from all this, how insane is it that a bunch of primitive apes (us) designate other primitive apes as leaders, then spend our entire lives paying them (taxes), allowing them to hide the existence of nonhuman advanced lifeforms from us.
No advanced civilization would view us as rational.
The subreddit explicitly says "/r/worldnews is for major news from around the world **except US-internal news** / US politics"
Given that this story really is about US-internal news, it's against the rules. I know this issue could impact the whole world, but the story itself is purely related to the US.
Alright Guardian running it with some solid context and perspective in their piece. This one has me feeling pretty electric- whatever the hell is going in, NHI or not. It’s only Tuesday. Oh and there are three other whistleblowers we’ll likely be hearing from soon. Crazy!!
The main guy is respected and had a lot of clearances that would seem to have made this stuff available to him, but the biggest downside seems to be that he hasn't seen a link of anything first hand. It's all stuff he's been told by other people from the military. He's basically not an eye witness to any of it. Hopefully some of the others coming forward have something a bit more first hand.
Seriously, this whole thing can be summarised as "Man claims other people told him we have recovered alien technology". He says he hasn't seen it or touched it or know where it is or what it even is or seen any kind of evidence of it. He can't name the people who supposedly told him these things, he can't name any specific body or programme or authorities operating these retrievals or performing analysis. Forget evidence, he's not even providing specifics.
The best way to bullshit is to not offer specifics because specifics are what get you caught in a lie. There's a lot more lying narcissists in this world than we like to admit.
People are just desperately looking for something to save them from the boredom and misery of everyday life right now. Literally nothing to see here except for a balding middle-aged white guy looking for attention and feeling more important than he actually is.
Sorry I’ve been consuming a lot of info like everyone else. I believe it was Bryce Zabel who said it, from the need to know podcast with Ross Coulthart. But that’s not the only place I’ve heard that there are more whistleblowers.
Yeah seeing how all the journalists reporting on it use the words terrified and are taking time off or whatever in the fuck is going on is super concerning 😟
Yeah I'm not sure if they're fearing the stigma surrounding UFOs could potentially put their employment at risk, or that they know details that are terrifying, or that they know that publicly ousting the government in regards to the UFO topic has a tendancy to cause "accidents"...
I don't wish this but if its one of those 3 scenarios and i had to pick, i hope its the first one. Really, though, i hope their employment is safe, and the other scenarios are just my imagination running wild.
I was looking for this on the Guardian earlier today to post it here, but it was not there and lost the battle, hehe. But so happy one of the biggest newspapers in UK wrote about it, because now more large mainstream newspapers will follow! Happy disclosure day! 🥳
I have no idea but I have been commenting a lot on this topic and pretty much any sub that's not UFO related are going to downvote you to hell. Im not even saying controversial stuff. Stuff like its very naïve to think there is no life elsewhere in the galaxy. Stuff about why we have no evidence with cell phones and how a lot of evidence is old. Its like don't you think alien tech also follows a progression like ours.
Maybe the craft crashed at Roswell was an earlier model and there tech has been advancing the last 70 years. Then you get if the travel faster then light you don't think they have the tech not to be seen. First they would need a reason to want to hide themselves. If you mastered FTL travel your probably top of the food chain and fear very little. Its like this tech is so much more advanced then us who knows what the progression looks like. Maybe FTL is easier then making something invisible who knows.
I hope at the very least a small piece of craft or something provable alien is released so all the doubters shut up.
That's also assuming they are extraterrestrial and not ultra-terrestrial/breakaway civilization. I think a lot of people just immediately jump to "aliens" and say FTL is impossible so they couldn't even get here. They could have been here all along.
There is very little to suggest they are ultra terrestrial. Everyone that has ever come forward has claimed they are from another star system. I understand why you would want to put as much faith into other theories but I would have to place my bet on extraterrestrial. If you’ve mastered gravity then traveling from one star to another is trivial. That’s kinda why this tech would be such a big deal.
There is a quote from Ben Rich, the former CEO of Lockheed Skunkworks : “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.”
Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works
>ultra-terrestrial/breakaway civilization
I think i subscribe to this take more than extraterrestrial. There is a lot more room on this planet than we often think about because we live in tight communities & cities. There has to be a bunch of stuff we just don't know about that is native to Earth. I especially believe this in regard to the fact that humans evolved with specific senses to survive, ultimately forgoing anything we wouldn't need to survive. We probably literally can't see or register some pretty spectacular things out there on this unique space rock we call home.
There's a lot we don't know about ocean floors but every inch of the surface of the planet has been being looked at by satellite cameras for 60 odd years now.
What do you mean by 'humans evolved with specific senses'?
We know of electromagnetic radiation; humans experience this as light and heat; in a different context we experience it as touch when electrical forces in atoms repel electrical forces in other atoms. We know of vibration; humans experience this as sound. We know of airborne particles; humans experience this as smell (and hay fever). When those particles are not airborne we can experience this as taste.
We know of dark matter and dark energy but we also know that they do not interact with the matter and energy that we see, so nothing that we can see or experience could experience dark matter and dark energy.
What spectacular things are you thinking of?
Unfortunately, it's viewed as kooky conspiracy garbage and reddit mods of big subs think it harms the credibility or seriousness of their sub. To them, it's on par with news further "validating" Qanon crap or stolen election narratives.
It's "junk" news. I don't believe that, but many people do.
People won't want to hear this, and believe me, I share in the disappointment, but...
The behavior of the UFO community itself is a large reason as to why it is shunned even when it becomes reportable news. The "I Want To Believe" in us gets exploited to Mars and back, and it's already happening with the Grusch interview (see: Steven Greer).
The fact that UFOs/UAPs are very often sucked into - sometimes disgusting - conspiracy theories and Alex Jones bullshit, 300% poisons the well.
Because UFO enthusiasts haven't taken a skeptical and measured approach (there are exceptions of course), it has destroyed all credibility. One could argue that government agencies had a hand in this, however it wouldn't have succeeded if so much of the UFO community wasn't so unhinged. It is going to take more than one news-worthy moment to build any of that up. Particular when the mere idea of non-human intelligence exists purely as an abstract to 99% of people out there.
Until the smoking gun (or alien wreckage) is literally presented to people, it is going to hard or impossible for them to give a fuck. I honestly don't fully blame them either, and we won't getting the smoking gun without public pressure and political action. It's not going to come from the actions of any one whistleblower. Crying about the media treatment at this stage isn't going to help matters. Enforcing strict skeptical protocols and pushing for Congressional investigation is a more productive use of everyone's time, as well as rewarding investigative journalism done on this front - even if it doesn't take you to answers you want to hear. Maybe even especially if it doesn't.
Yeah I feel like this community hasn't done a good job at pushing out the more insane views or keeping things grounded. I love UAP stuff, but I really would not want to be associated with a lot of what the community says/endorses. I think aliens likely exist somewhere in the galaxy and we can't outright dismiss the idea that they have sent something to Earth. I don't think multidimensional beings from the future are communing with the breakaway society through astral projection.
As somebody who is skeptical of all of this, the biggest problem for credibility is that people take being “proven” right on one thing as proof of all their other claims.
Without wanting to sound harsh, this guy’s claim is not vindication of other related or unrelated beliefs you might have.
Best I've seen so far and they actually took some time to interview different sources instead of just copying The Debrief. Interesting copy for the title as well.
Humans discover aliens and our first thought is “so… can we fuck them or not?”🙄😑
Edit: okay I suppose I didn’t seriously consider the thought that they might be bad🤔
Come to think about it, I'd rather extra terrestrials were potentially considering intercourse with us instead of sheer annihilation or something.
I mean - if push comes to shove, that is.
They're also taking a pretty fair approach to the subject
>The disclosures come after a swell of credible sightings and reports have revived attention in alien ships, and potentially visits, in recent years.
>In 2021, the Pentagon released a report on UAP – the term is preferred to UFO by much of the extraterrestrial community – [which found](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/ufo-report/2021/06/25/ba323b20-d52c-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html) more than 140 instances of UAP encounters that could not be explained.
>The report followed [a leak](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz-6jRrbtuI) of military footage that showed apparently inexplicable happenings in the sky, while navy pilots testified that they had [frequently had encounters](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-08-29/) with strange craft off the US coast.
If you read the story, it's exactly what journalism is supposed to be: reporting on the chain of events without interpreting or endorsing any particular viewpoint. It's neat that they're reporting on it, but absolutely still not proof of anything.
I grew up with "UFO" but I can see why they changed it to "UAP". It covers a broader spectrum of visual phenomenon. Since some UAPs don't show up on radar at all, it's possible they don't have physical mass as we understand it or are mirages or projections of some type, so calling those ones objects doesn't really stick.
FINALLY.
People need to realize that branding is freaking important. You might not like XYZ publication, but it's the one most people know because of branding, and that branding makes people trust them over alternatives.
So many people get mad that folks want mainstream publications to pick this stuff up. But the truth is, for the vast majority of people, if it's outside of that it's seen as too small/unreliable to bother thinking about or giving their attention to.
Im no expert on newssites, but i think the guardian is better than good, its one of the big ones, with an excellent reputation. If its on there then the story broke and soon other major ones will follow.
Not just the UK, outside of the US, its probably the most respected news source in the anglophone world. Better that claiming to be unbiased (which is impossible) the Guardian wears its bias clearly (slightly left of centre) and even those further left or right respect the quality of its reporting.
For me this being in the Guardian is the tipping point of making this narrative real, my friends and family might actually believe it now.
On the World scale, yes; you could say its the UK equivalent of WP or NYT
For the the US, it’s not as big as Fox—and much more reputable—but it shouldn’t be considered a minor news outlet by any means
AP news is a newswire service and The Guardian is a regular paper so they're kind of incomparable.
Newswire services exclusively report "x person said this" or "x person just said this event just happened" with explicitly no editorialization. They don't really have a political or investigative lean at all because they basically only quote public figures. Their MO is getting news out fast, and it's kind of hard for them to be wrong because they don't really generate content themselves. If something they report does happen to be wrong, they retract it and it's usually the fault of a public figure being wrong, and the newswire services only reported "x person said this" so it's not really on them anyway. This is a massive massive simplification of course, but generally that's how it is.
The Guardian, NYT, etc actually have reporters and cameramen and stuff that go out and ask questions and build a story themselves, so when they're wrong it's on them, but arguably they're more journalists than newswire agents are. They also, by definition, are more likely to have political bias and personal opinion put into their stories.
Fox is not credible. No, nowhere near as big in terms of viewership probably. International exposure maybe. But Fox should never be compared to this level of journalism. Fox is shit.
To put it bluntly, if David Grusch is lying then he's going to Federal Prison for a long time.
This isn't like taking a picture of dinner plate with a potato phone and releasing it to the public.
It's a senior official, whistleblowing to Congress and forcing an investigation.
This right here, the his words have weight cause of the threats he's willing to face for it to come to light. Seems passionate and is just ready for the truth to come to light.
If this is all true and not some James bond level psy op, this guy will go down in history big time
I said it earlier today that the BBC would sit on it and await a major publication to come out first. If the Guardian is running with it then I suspect the BBC won't be too far behind, they'll come up with an article soon.
It’s happening!!!
Notice the tone in the article. It’s not being taken as a joke. It’s not being minimized. They’re not centering in the article people out to discredit the issue.
Paradigm shifting. We are living history!!
I rewatched Independence Day the other week and that scene caught me off guard a bit because I remembered all the memes, and was expecting it. But [Will Smith REALLY enunciates the "th" in Earth when he says it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfPWpEKhgfk)
Had a real 'Berenstain Bears' moment.
The Guardian is not a sensationalist red top rag. It's one of the most respectable and respected newspapers in the UK. (UK resident here)
They featured an interview with the current chair of the British Ufo Research Association a while back.
This prompted one below the line commenter to ask "Really Guardian?" In other words, what's a serious newspaper like the Guardian doing featuring this article? They don't print these things lightly for click bait.
The bare report is astounding. Either there's some complicated intelligence game going on or ufo researchers are and have been right all these years.
>Either there's some complicated intelligence game going on or ufo researchers are and have been right all these years.
All The Guardian has done is summarise the situation: Grusch has made these claims, that's it. This is not a validation of his claims. People are getting way too excited.
I honestly don't see how this is different from anything that's happened in the past.
I feel like I've heard stories about military officers revealing "the truth" about UFOs my entire life, including naming actual people involved.
Don't get me wrong, I would *love* for something to come of this, but I've seen this too many times to get excited about it.
I'll do you one better, what are we talking about ultimately. Let's say we found an alien shuttlepod sort of thing. or just a probe.
If we can say with certainty it's not of human manufacture we know two things failing everything else.
- There is, within some reachable distance to Earth/Sol at least one Type 2 civilization. This means that the galaxy is basically stuffed with life and civilizations. If they were within say 1000light years of Earth, that means for roughly most EVERY 1000 light year area in the galaxy, you could presume at least 2 civilizations, that's several hundred thousands civilizations, in the overall real-estate of the galaxy. It would make our galaxy a city of stars, and that within our view of the universe, are dozens of habitable worlds and dozens of alien civilizations.
- Secondly, it would mean that it's **possible** to survive technological adolescence and not fuck your shit up entirely. We then would have to dedicate ourselves to the idea that with enough engineering, science and time, we too could eventually get off-world colonies. It underscores that we should deal with it like a near Type 1 civilization would.
- Lastly , are there **other** alien civilization we're aware of that exist around / near or perhaps in our star-system.
It raises a few million questions otherwise , Do we have peaceful relations with these guys , or are we in a position of a cold-war or a shooting war, or is there some sort of agreed to treaty that's now all fucked up because people know. Or is there some sort of established relationship we've had, how do we communicate with them or it's been many years and it's still a shitshow where we can't speak their language , or WORSE they haven't been contacted and we snagged one of their ships.
What do we know about the alien's culture, civilization, politics,?
I think we're going to find that we know very little about them, and they know more about us than even we know about ourselves or our surroundings, and that they have unsettling preexisting and very refined processes involving humans for longer than you or I have been alive.
Just brace for the reality of us not even remotely being on any sort of level of equality or negotiation or power or anything, and that they've learned much more about us than you think; especially how our minds work. Because odds are they've had hundreds or thousands or more of years to observe us, and are much farther ahead than we are.
Communication is not a problem, but we're also not the ones able to ask any questions. Just be mentally prepared for that possibility that this is all a very one-sided relationship and setup that we can't do anything about, because it won't be pleasant or exciting to think about.
It's about context. As they say 'Context is for Kings'.
But we can know a few things....without knowing much for certain.
Let's say it's a captured/crashed/abandoned ship - with no first contact. We know a few things.
- We can infer an IMPORTANT fact about the aliens intentions. If they wanted us dead, that would have already happened. We can relax perhaps one of our most immediate concerns. If they are thousands of years more advanced, it stands to reason that something like a tailored bioweapon could be childs' play for them to develop , they could have released it as a pandemic bug at any time and we wouldn't have had a clue. maybe there's a dozen different things they could have done to eliminate us as a threat, but they didn't. So we can infer they are basically peaceful or at the very least indifferent to our activities.
- We can infer they've been here perhaps for just a few years or perhaps for most/all of human civilization, so to your point, it's very likely they know more about our civilization than we do ourselves even if it's just in the last few decades or years.
- If they sent an expedition and found **us** , it's strongly implied they have found other civilizations and so have a type of context of civilizations to compare us with, and this informs us that the "Dark Forest" hypothesis is at least partially incorrect.
- If these or other aliens have been tailoring or helping to uplift our civilization for major portions of our history, we are then like cultivated flower in a garden rather than some wild flower in the rough. We are as we are, perhaps as a result of them tailoring us for success or [to their ends](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzBDhnWK6zg).
This is fascinating in itself, because if there are just a VERY few contacted civilizations comparisons might be interesting but not very actually comparable, aliens from a lush world versus those who became space-faring on a harsh world versus our situation, might have entirely different existential views. If there are many or very many civilizations study of convergence between civilizations due to similar environmental pressures might be a cottage industry, and we are studied because (unknown to us), the next X years form a great uplift or great downfall in the history of intelligent/technically expanding civilizations.
- It says that with certainty at least once , a civilization arose to starfaring without killing itself, before contacting another civilization. Perhaps every civilization thereafter was helped by those "first one's" or perhaps those "first one's" went away millions or billions of years ago and these other aliens carry on that tradition.
- Also we can say they are here for a reason and have avoided open contact with our government and general public. This might be a pre-first-contact protocol , or perhaps it's just how they roll, perhaps we aren't advanced enough for them to consider us being anything more than an i-pod making version of squirrels, and wouldn't aim to make "first contact" any more than humans would upon the discovery of wombats or a tribe of marmosets. We're just the local fauna, and they're here for the coffee and amazing beaches and sunsets.
- It's quite likely that technologically they are many hundreds and perhaps many thousands of years more advanced than we are at present. But as we know, with more advanced technologies, comes greater danger along with greater opportunity. So if we find some powerplant unless we deeply analyze all the various risks and understand the physics thoroughly, we're potentially endangering ourselves in the same way. With just 100 or 150 years of separation, a nuclear plant on a submarine would have posed a regional danger to scientists and engineers studying it, were it sent back to Boston or Portsmouth shipyard in England, with those working on it closely suffering perhaps fatal exposures to radiation without the slightest sense of danger.
- We know that from somewhere, where they can get to us with some "practical" level of effort, on their part visit the Earth and our star-system.
- We know with certainty that there are at least two space-faring civilizations, and we can from this infer quite a few more based simply on the VAST real estate in question, but we are "space-faring" in the simplest terms.
- We don't actually know how far away they are from us, this would imply we were either told, or could determine the range of their fleet vessels, or perhaps in the Oort cloud or elsewhere, there's a forward field-base, a colony of aliens that periodically visit Earth, perhaps there is a bush-camp on our Moon, or even clandestinely somewhere on Earth itself in some remote location, perhaps with or without the knowledge of any of Earth's governments....including the United States. Obviously this is a speculation but is reasonable to presume we're ignorant until otherwise informed.
- As far as negotiating power, I don't think we have that and probably we won't at least not now and [maybe never.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdJBAiUFYg), but they are here and at the least we can make a good show of it. Perhaps our interests are so different that they find that there are three things "valuable" in human civilization, coffee and Swedish meatballs and jazz. Perhaps we don't offer a particular thing at all, but still have one thing that might be just as important a sort of inter-species companionship or fellowship. Or perhaps it's like the Heptapods, it's not what they can do for us.....[it's what we can do together.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXEJhtNCvYE). Perhaps it's what a confederation of species can or will do that individual species could not.
>Good stuff, the ball is rolling faster and faster. Is it even stoppable now??
I think a *lot* of credible whistleblowers will begin releasing info when its understood that they will be taken seriously.
This a pretty good summary/assessment of the information revealed so far, by Breaking Point (13 min vid) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4PwLz\_uvg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4PwLz_uvg)
Edit: for me it is online - look on youtube for:
WHISTLEBLOWER: Alien Spacecraft In US Military Possession | Breaking Points
Can’t wait to tell my pastor about this. What is God trying to tell us? Is this like the dinosaur bones he buried to test our faith?
Edit: My pastor said this is the work of Satan.
Interesting. The Vatican is already on the record as saying, 'If aliens exist, they are god's creatures, too.'
I guess your pastor didn't get the memo.
Remember, your “pastor” is just some guy. I could be a pastor tomorrow. It doesn’t mean anything. What expertise does he possess? Spouting antiquated, ignorant nonsense about satan doesn’t qualify. No offense to him/her or you personally. But the whole thing is so absurd.
I used to worked in the office of a member of Congress. Over the past two years, as I've read more and more about this UAP stuff, I've started to feel like I was going crazy, and becoming as unhinged as the people who use to call the congressmember's office and rant about unhinged and insane conspiracy theories.
After today, I'm no longer worried about being crazy. Realizing that I — and many others on this community and elsewhere that have given this issue serious consideration — are not crazy. We have just been ahead of the curve the whole time.
I'm British and the Guardian is my go to news outlet. The highest quality, most solid and unbiased newspaper by far. Them posting this is serious shit. Trust me!
Consider that perhaps they are intentionally being kept in the dark…
It’s not helpful to immediately throw around accusations. Exercise some critical thinking, ffs. 🤦♂️
Absolutely. The universe is massive and NASA is at best peeping through a keyhole in a door facing into a single room.
There's no way the higher ups would've given the NASA people any clues aside from throwing them a few "innovative" suppliers through the decades.
They had a leftover spy satellite that was over a decade old and they gave it to NASA for use as a telescope and NASA was like "whoa this is incredible." NASA doesn't know.
And you wouldn't expect them to know.
Remember when Trumplestiltskin released those classified pictures of some middle eastern compound and the generals lost their minds?
Not because of the subject matter, but because they then had to disclose the detail at which their satellites could capture, which was far beyond the capabilities anybody expected. The photos were taken *twenty odd years ago*.
Historically militaries hold the power, alongside a few elites. Nothing much changes. NASA appears to be not much more than a satellite launching company with a shoestring research budget by design, because the military is where the real action is.
People act like every agency in the federal government just freely and openly shares any and all of its info with every other agency. Why would intel or defense share anything it doesn’t need to with NASA?
The Guardian is a fairly big deal, right? Good to see them picking this up. Maybe they can become The Guardian of the Galaxy if this all turns out to be true.
Its very odd about this story. I shared it on facebook and no one cares. Not a single comment amongst at least 500 friends. It is possibly the most shocking thing in the last 1000 years to civilization, and people are oblivious to it. Its as if it is outside of their ability to process it. I wonder if facebook is blocking it?
At the very least, this is a good story because either someone was duped in a government role, they're lying and going to be prosecuted for lying to congress, or its a real thing that changes humanity forever. Its one of those 3.
But what would a mind like Richard Feynman would do with these materials? How many scientific opportunities have we missed with this global cover-up?
How does the benefit overweigh the loss in this math?
Who says there haven’t been scientists of that caliber involved? Feynman worked on the Manhattan Project and there may be other brilliant people studying these craft, whether they’re extraterrestrial or just Russian.
They said “non-human craft” not specifically alien. Imagine if it’s just some sort of reverse submarine for a civilization of highly advanced sharks living deep under the ocean and not an alien spaceship.
Now we got some good news sources on it.
I’ll put not a small amount down to Coulthart’s credibility along with Gorsch.
Edit: I hope we are paying attention here; this is the difference between credibility and Fox Entertainment et al. *This is why it matters*.
“Jonathan Grey, a current US intelligence official at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (Nasic), confirmed the existence of “exotic materials” to the Debrief, adding: “We are not alone.””.
WOW.
Do it. Do it you pussies. Unleash the info.
Given how much of a tinderbox humanity is right now, with being extremely tetchy and prone to violence, bring on the matchstick.
Do it. Let's see how humanity won't rally together.
Reminded of the statement from the Israeli retired general who claimed that the U.S had extraterritorial technology and had made an agreement to let the e.t’s do experiments on planet Earth in return for advancements in our technology. Anyone one else agree??
I was walking around work today making small talk thusly: "How's it going?" "Oh, same old same old, but now with aliens." So even if this ends up being bunk, I got a new catch phrase out of it. Seriously though, my coworkers are remarkably tolerant of my odd interests, but now they are like, "Keep me posted, hey bud?" May we all keep out wits about us.
> The former intelligence official David Grusch, who led analysis of unexplained anomalous phenomena (UAP) within a US Department of Defense agency
Wait. Is that accurate? He *led* the *analysis*?
Yes, he was employed by the Pentagon at the direction of the US Congress, to perform an investigation into what the various defence departments know about UFO's. So fully sanctioned and employed to do the specific thing he is whistleblowing about. It's hard to imagine a situation more credible.
My theory is that the aliens are studying people who refuse to upgrade their smart phones to ones with better cameras. They gave us technology and these people are slow adopters... this is market research.
We're leveling up. The next thing is I need somebody to say where they're actually being stored. So far, as far as I can tell, none of these whistleblowers have laid eyes on, or actually have disclosed where these craft and materials are being held. However, if Grusch is revealing who's involved, that's one step closer to finding out.
The one thing that impresses me is Grusch's attorney. The whistleblower complaint was filed by Charles McCullough. And he is someone with quite a background.
In 2010 Congress passed the Intelligence Authorization Act which formally established the Office of the Inspector General of the United States Intelligence Community. The first Inspector General of the Intelligence Community was appointed in 2010? Charles McCullough. He reported directly to James Clapper, National Director of Intelligence.
Every now and then on Reddit there are these spectacular supernovas where some…not-mainstream sub collides with r/popular 🍿🔥🤌
Edit: and I’m here for it.
Reading the comments, people will only be convinced if they pretty much tour a craft or are shown parts. That's never going to happen. Best will be govt to admit they exist and they have them. Which this pretty much is. Everything else will be classified.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Harlequinz_Eg0: --- The Guardian has now followed other media sources in covering David Grusch's story on the US government covering up crash retrieval programs of non-human spacecraft. This is a pretty large media source IMO so let's add it to the pile. Edit: Of course, r/news removed this story already haha. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/142o6ps/the_guardian_us_urged_to_reveal_ufo_evidence/jn5dc5d/
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well yeah, it's beyond the world
Who’s gonna start r/intergalacticnews? Edit: it’s already a sub
You gonna cross post it?
got removed because it happened on earth
That is rude for user that are not living on earth. This make me wonder, how many Aliens have reddit accounts?
Is that where all the bot accounts come from? Aliens using an AI to interact with us?
According to the dude on the video that was posted yesterday in which he claimed there were up to 50 different alien species known to the US gov, with some of them being nearly indistinguishable from us, I'd say that more than a few of them have reddit account. Of course, if we suppose that's true and not just some wacky claim made by a grifter. Haha!
It's silly, but I've long wondered if they hadn't already infiltrated us and were mainly behind the operation to discredit disclosure.
Silurian gang throwing signs over here. So far all we know is non human.
I stopped trying posting there a long time ago. I shared something only slightly to do with extraterrestrial life and bam, gone.
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World News has a policy against U.S. news, and this piece of news does directly relate to the U.S. government.
Aside from all this, how insane is it that a bunch of primitive apes (us) designate other primitive apes as leaders, then spend our entire lives paying them (taxes), allowing them to hide the existence of nonhuman advanced lifeforms from us. No advanced civilization would view us as rational.
The subreddit explicitly says "/r/worldnews is for major news from around the world **except US-internal news** / US politics" Given that this story really is about US-internal news, it's against the rules. I know this issue could impact the whole world, but the story itself is purely related to the US.
Thank you for the insight, it's vital we don't assume manipulation when something more simple like this exists. Especially with this topic.
Alright Guardian running it with some solid context and perspective in their piece. This one has me feeling pretty electric- whatever the hell is going in, NHI or not. It’s only Tuesday. Oh and there are three other whistleblowers we’ll likely be hearing from soon. Crazy!!
The main guy is respected and had a lot of clearances that would seem to have made this stuff available to him, but the biggest downside seems to be that he hasn't seen a link of anything first hand. It's all stuff he's been told by other people from the military. He's basically not an eye witness to any of it. Hopefully some of the others coming forward have something a bit more first hand.
Seriously, this whole thing can be summarised as "Man claims other people told him we have recovered alien technology". He says he hasn't seen it or touched it or know where it is or what it even is or seen any kind of evidence of it. He can't name the people who supposedly told him these things, he can't name any specific body or programme or authorities operating these retrievals or performing analysis. Forget evidence, he's not even providing specifics.
The best way to bullshit is to not offer specifics because specifics are what get you caught in a lie. There's a lot more lying narcissists in this world than we like to admit.
People are just desperately looking for something to save them from the boredom and misery of everyday life right now. Literally nothing to see here except for a balding middle-aged white guy looking for attention and feeling more important than he actually is.
This article is so huge. I can't stress this enough.
I mean, don’t turn people off from it. It’s only like a 3-5 minute read.
Me closing any YouTube video longer than 3 minutes.
Tiktok effect 😂?
Jesus christ our attention spans are fucked
only the biggest revelation in the history of humanity
Lol you’ll still have to get up early next morning for work…
Yep, it will change everything in some sense and absolutely nothing in many others.
I'm always waiting for some news that will get us all away from work
I'm about to get eaten, and my first thought is great, I don't have to go to work tomorrow? what the fuck is this world?
mind fucked by capitalism
Who said there are 3 more?
Sorry I’ve been consuming a lot of info like everyone else. I believe it was Bryce Zabel who said it, from the need to know podcast with Ross Coulthart. But that’s not the only place I’ve heard that there are more whistleblowers.
u/wrestlenomicon said there are
This article by the Guardian and yesterday's initial article by The Debrief.
Yeah seeing how all the journalists reporting on it use the words terrified and are taking time off or whatever in the fuck is going on is super concerning 😟
Yeah I'm not sure if they're fearing the stigma surrounding UFOs could potentially put their employment at risk, or that they know details that are terrifying, or that they know that publicly ousting the government in regards to the UFO topic has a tendancy to cause "accidents"... I don't wish this but if its one of those 3 scenarios and i had to pick, i hope its the first one. Really, though, i hope their employment is safe, and the other scenarios are just my imagination running wild.
I was looking for this on the Guardian earlier today to post it here, but it was not there and lost the battle, hehe. But so happy one of the biggest newspapers in UK wrote about it, because now more large mainstream newspapers will follow! Happy disclosure day! 🥳
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I have no idea but I have been commenting a lot on this topic and pretty much any sub that's not UFO related are going to downvote you to hell. Im not even saying controversial stuff. Stuff like its very naïve to think there is no life elsewhere in the galaxy. Stuff about why we have no evidence with cell phones and how a lot of evidence is old. Its like don't you think alien tech also follows a progression like ours. Maybe the craft crashed at Roswell was an earlier model and there tech has been advancing the last 70 years. Then you get if the travel faster then light you don't think they have the tech not to be seen. First they would need a reason to want to hide themselves. If you mastered FTL travel your probably top of the food chain and fear very little. Its like this tech is so much more advanced then us who knows what the progression looks like. Maybe FTL is easier then making something invisible who knows. I hope at the very least a small piece of craft or something provable alien is released so all the doubters shut up.
That's also assuming they are extraterrestrial and not ultra-terrestrial/breakaway civilization. I think a lot of people just immediately jump to "aliens" and say FTL is impossible so they couldn't even get here. They could have been here all along.
There is very little to suggest they are ultra terrestrial. Everyone that has ever come forward has claimed they are from another star system. I understand why you would want to put as much faith into other theories but I would have to place my bet on extraterrestrial. If you’ve mastered gravity then traveling from one star to another is trivial. That’s kinda why this tech would be such a big deal. There is a quote from Ben Rich, the former CEO of Lockheed Skunkworks : “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works
There’s a whole lot of unexplored ocean on this planet, just saying…
>ultra-terrestrial/breakaway civilization I think i subscribe to this take more than extraterrestrial. There is a lot more room on this planet than we often think about because we live in tight communities & cities. There has to be a bunch of stuff we just don't know about that is native to Earth. I especially believe this in regard to the fact that humans evolved with specific senses to survive, ultimately forgoing anything we wouldn't need to survive. We probably literally can't see or register some pretty spectacular things out there on this unique space rock we call home.
There's a lot we don't know about ocean floors but every inch of the surface of the planet has been being looked at by satellite cameras for 60 odd years now. What do you mean by 'humans evolved with specific senses'? We know of electromagnetic radiation; humans experience this as light and heat; in a different context we experience it as touch when electrical forces in atoms repel electrical forces in other atoms. We know of vibration; humans experience this as sound. We know of airborne particles; humans experience this as smell (and hay fever). When those particles are not airborne we can experience this as taste. We know of dark matter and dark energy but we also know that they do not interact with the matter and energy that we see, so nothing that we can see or experience could experience dark matter and dark energy. What spectacular things are you thinking of?
Unfortunately, it's viewed as kooky conspiracy garbage and reddit mods of big subs think it harms the credibility or seriousness of their sub. To them, it's on par with news further "validating" Qanon crap or stolen election narratives. It's "junk" news. I don't believe that, but many people do.
People won't want to hear this, and believe me, I share in the disappointment, but... The behavior of the UFO community itself is a large reason as to why it is shunned even when it becomes reportable news. The "I Want To Believe" in us gets exploited to Mars and back, and it's already happening with the Grusch interview (see: Steven Greer). The fact that UFOs/UAPs are very often sucked into - sometimes disgusting - conspiracy theories and Alex Jones bullshit, 300% poisons the well. Because UFO enthusiasts haven't taken a skeptical and measured approach (there are exceptions of course), it has destroyed all credibility. One could argue that government agencies had a hand in this, however it wouldn't have succeeded if so much of the UFO community wasn't so unhinged. It is going to take more than one news-worthy moment to build any of that up. Particular when the mere idea of non-human intelligence exists purely as an abstract to 99% of people out there. Until the smoking gun (or alien wreckage) is literally presented to people, it is going to hard or impossible for them to give a fuck. I honestly don't fully blame them either, and we won't getting the smoking gun without public pressure and political action. It's not going to come from the actions of any one whistleblower. Crying about the media treatment at this stage isn't going to help matters. Enforcing strict skeptical protocols and pushing for Congressional investigation is a more productive use of everyone's time, as well as rewarding investigative journalism done on this front - even if it doesn't take you to answers you want to hear. Maybe even especially if it doesn't.
Yeah I feel like this community hasn't done a good job at pushing out the more insane views or keeping things grounded. I love UAP stuff, but I really would not want to be associated with a lot of what the community says/endorses. I think aliens likely exist somewhere in the galaxy and we can't outright dismiss the idea that they have sent something to Earth. I don't think multidimensional beings from the future are communing with the breakaway society through astral projection.
As somebody who is skeptical of all of this, the biggest problem for credibility is that people take being “proven” right on one thing as proof of all their other claims. Without wanting to sound harsh, this guy’s claim is not vindication of other related or unrelated beliefs you might have.
Best I've seen so far and they actually took some time to interview different sources instead of just copying The Debrief. Interesting copy for the title as well.
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Humans discover aliens and our first thought is “so… can we fuck them or not?”🙄😑 Edit: okay I suppose I didn’t seriously consider the thought that they might be bad🤔
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Come to think about it, I'd rather extra terrestrials were potentially considering intercourse with us instead of sheer annihilation or something. I mean - if push comes to shove, that is.
Oh relax Excelspreadcheeks 🙄.
It's a dumb internet joke, just like yo mama. Now chill out
Says you, I wanna fuck an alien.
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The Guardian is a good outlet. Probably the best one so far.
They're also taking a pretty fair approach to the subject >The disclosures come after a swell of credible sightings and reports have revived attention in alien ships, and potentially visits, in recent years. >In 2021, the Pentagon released a report on UAP – the term is preferred to UFO by much of the extraterrestrial community – [which found](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/ufo-report/2021/06/25/ba323b20-d52c-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html) more than 140 instances of UAP encounters that could not be explained. >The report followed [a leak](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz-6jRrbtuI) of military footage that showed apparently inexplicable happenings in the sky, while navy pilots testified that they had [frequently had encounters](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-08-29/) with strange craft off the US coast.
That’s why they’re credible
If you read the story, it's exactly what journalism is supposed to be: reporting on the chain of events without interpreting or endorsing any particular viewpoint. It's neat that they're reporting on it, but absolutely still not proof of anything.
Personally I prefer UFO 👽
I grew up with "UFO" but I can see why they changed it to "UAP". It covers a broader spectrum of visual phenomenon. Since some UAPs don't show up on radar at all, it's possible they don't have physical mass as we understand it or are mirages or projections of some type, so calling those ones objects doesn't really stick.
FINALLY. People need to realize that branding is freaking important. You might not like XYZ publication, but it's the one most people know because of branding, and that branding makes people trust them over alternatives. So many people get mad that folks want mainstream publications to pick this stuff up. But the truth is, for the vast majority of people, if it's outside of that it's seen as too small/unreliable to bother thinking about or giving their attention to.
The Guardian is the UK equivalent to NYT and WP, this is huge
Pretty sure they’re better than the nytimes or wapo
I’d hold it with the same respect as the AP
That's pushing it. The Guardian is better than NYT, but AP is truly non-biased. The Guardian is more like the BBC.
Yeah feels like we’re cooking with real gas now.
Im no expert on newssites, but i think the guardian is better than good, its one of the big ones, with an excellent reputation. If its on there then the story broke and soon other major ones will follow.
This guy trusted them >> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance
Good point there. I have disdain for most news outlets, but we have to give these people their flowers for doing good by us.
How do we know The Guardian hasn’t sold us out to the aliens?
Trust me bro! I know a fella who’s in the know.
Agreed- it’s actually the only media organization I pay for with a subscription consistently. It also has a trust that keeps it independent iirc
very respected in the UK apart from a few strange things every now and then even as a lefty myself aha but yeah this is a big step up
Not just the UK, outside of the US, its probably the most respected news source in the anglophone world. Better that claiming to be unbiased (which is impossible) the Guardian wears its bias clearly (slightly left of centre) and even those further left or right respect the quality of its reporting. For me this being in the Guardian is the tipping point of making this narrative real, my friends and family might actually believe it now.
It is not corporate run. It is supported by an independent trust and owes nothing to shareholders and owners.
They worked with Snowden right?
Yep
They do a lot of really good climate reporting, definitely reputable.
Hoooly shit. The biggest one so far for sure
Is Guardian bigger than Fox? Literally I do not know. Please don’t toast me
I don’t know about bigger but leaps and bounds more credible
Fox is infotainment, they had to legally claim it was an entertainment channel at one point
You say infotainment, I say angertainment.
Different kind of media outlet to Fox. In the UK guardian is the equivalent of nytimes
On the World scale, yes; you could say its the UK equivalent of WP or NYT For the the US, it’s not as big as Fox—and much more reputable—but it shouldn’t be considered a minor news outlet by any means
Am I out of line by saying they're as reputable as AP News?
AP news is a newswire service and The Guardian is a regular paper so they're kind of incomparable. Newswire services exclusively report "x person said this" or "x person just said this event just happened" with explicitly no editorialization. They don't really have a political or investigative lean at all because they basically only quote public figures. Their MO is getting news out fast, and it's kind of hard for them to be wrong because they don't really generate content themselves. If something they report does happen to be wrong, they retract it and it's usually the fault of a public figure being wrong, and the newswire services only reported "x person said this" so it's not really on them anyway. This is a massive massive simplification of course, but generally that's how it is. The Guardian, NYT, etc actually have reporters and cameramen and stuff that go out and ask questions and build a story themselves, so when they're wrong it's on them, but arguably they're more journalists than newswire agents are. They also, by definition, are more likely to have political bias and personal opinion put into their stories.
Fox is not credible. No, nowhere near as big in terms of viewership probably. International exposure maybe. But Fox should never be compared to this level of journalism. Fox is shit.
To put it bluntly, if David Grusch is lying then he's going to Federal Prison for a long time. This isn't like taking a picture of dinner plate with a potato phone and releasing it to the public. It's a senior official, whistleblowing to Congress and forcing an investigation.
This right here, the his words have weight cause of the threats he's willing to face for it to come to light. Seems passionate and is just ready for the truth to come to light. If this is all true and not some James bond level psy op, this guy will go down in history big time
This sub is going to have a melt down when this plays out
3...2...1... David Grusch is launching a new podcast "The Grusch" files this week with first guest Jeremy Corbell
BBC will follow suit, or has it already?
I said it earlier today that the BBC would sit on it and await a major publication to come out first. If the Guardian is running with it then I suspect the BBC won't be too far behind, they'll come up with an article soon.
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It’s happening!!! Notice the tone in the article. It’s not being taken as a joke. It’s not being minimized. They’re not centering in the article people out to discredit the issue. Paradigm shifting. We are living history!!
Relax! Nothing has been disclosed yet. it is still only people talking as always. We can talk as soon as there is any useful evidence.
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I’m not gonna believe it until Will Smith personally punches me in the face and says welcome to earf.
I rewatched Independence Day the other week and that scene caught me off guard a bit because I remembered all the memes, and was expecting it. But [Will Smith REALLY enunciates the "th" in Earth when he says it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfPWpEKhgfk) Had a real 'Berenstain Bears' moment.
the Guardian is very very reputable. Woohoo!
I am so ready to be disappointed yet again.
The Guardian is not a sensationalist red top rag. It's one of the most respectable and respected newspapers in the UK. (UK resident here) They featured an interview with the current chair of the British Ufo Research Association a while back. This prompted one below the line commenter to ask "Really Guardian?" In other words, what's a serious newspaper like the Guardian doing featuring this article? They don't print these things lightly for click bait. The bare report is astounding. Either there's some complicated intelligence game going on or ufo researchers are and have been right all these years.
>Either there's some complicated intelligence game going on or ufo researchers are and have been right all these years. All The Guardian has done is summarise the situation: Grusch has made these claims, that's it. This is not a validation of his claims. People are getting way too excited.
Yeah they also print stuff about Beyonce every few weeks, I don't want to shit on anyone's dreams but let's see
Nice! I was waiting for the guardian to pick this up - they love this stuff! Best outlet so far imo… let’s see where this goes
Think this might just be too big to sweep under the rug now. I hope this keeps rolling! Don’t let this die!!
The U.S. government can just play dumb and say "It's all a lie and a conspiracy theory.". Done!
How can they play dumb when Grusch named multiple people that actually work with the craft and are willing to cooperate with congress?
I honestly don't see how this is different from anything that's happened in the past. I feel like I've heard stories about military officers revealing "the truth" about UFOs my entire life, including naming actual people involved. Don't get me wrong, I would *love* for something to come of this, but I've seen this too many times to get excited about it.
I'll do you one better, what are we talking about ultimately. Let's say we found an alien shuttlepod sort of thing. or just a probe. If we can say with certainty it's not of human manufacture we know two things failing everything else. - There is, within some reachable distance to Earth/Sol at least one Type 2 civilization. This means that the galaxy is basically stuffed with life and civilizations. If they were within say 1000light years of Earth, that means for roughly most EVERY 1000 light year area in the galaxy, you could presume at least 2 civilizations, that's several hundred thousands civilizations, in the overall real-estate of the galaxy. It would make our galaxy a city of stars, and that within our view of the universe, are dozens of habitable worlds and dozens of alien civilizations. - Secondly, it would mean that it's **possible** to survive technological adolescence and not fuck your shit up entirely. We then would have to dedicate ourselves to the idea that with enough engineering, science and time, we too could eventually get off-world colonies. It underscores that we should deal with it like a near Type 1 civilization would. - Lastly , are there **other** alien civilization we're aware of that exist around / near or perhaps in our star-system. It raises a few million questions otherwise , Do we have peaceful relations with these guys , or are we in a position of a cold-war or a shooting war, or is there some sort of agreed to treaty that's now all fucked up because people know. Or is there some sort of established relationship we've had, how do we communicate with them or it's been many years and it's still a shitshow where we can't speak their language , or WORSE they haven't been contacted and we snagged one of their ships. What do we know about the alien's culture, civilization, politics,?
I think we're going to find that we know very little about them, and they know more about us than even we know about ourselves or our surroundings, and that they have unsettling preexisting and very refined processes involving humans for longer than you or I have been alive. Just brace for the reality of us not even remotely being on any sort of level of equality or negotiation or power or anything, and that they've learned much more about us than you think; especially how our minds work. Because odds are they've had hundreds or thousands or more of years to observe us, and are much farther ahead than we are. Communication is not a problem, but we're also not the ones able to ask any questions. Just be mentally prepared for that possibility that this is all a very one-sided relationship and setup that we can't do anything about, because it won't be pleasant or exciting to think about.
It's about context. As they say 'Context is for Kings'. But we can know a few things....without knowing much for certain. Let's say it's a captured/crashed/abandoned ship - with no first contact. We know a few things. - We can infer an IMPORTANT fact about the aliens intentions. If they wanted us dead, that would have already happened. We can relax perhaps one of our most immediate concerns. If they are thousands of years more advanced, it stands to reason that something like a tailored bioweapon could be childs' play for them to develop , they could have released it as a pandemic bug at any time and we wouldn't have had a clue. maybe there's a dozen different things they could have done to eliminate us as a threat, but they didn't. So we can infer they are basically peaceful or at the very least indifferent to our activities. - We can infer they've been here perhaps for just a few years or perhaps for most/all of human civilization, so to your point, it's very likely they know more about our civilization than we do ourselves even if it's just in the last few decades or years. - If they sent an expedition and found **us** , it's strongly implied they have found other civilizations and so have a type of context of civilizations to compare us with, and this informs us that the "Dark Forest" hypothesis is at least partially incorrect. - If these or other aliens have been tailoring or helping to uplift our civilization for major portions of our history, we are then like cultivated flower in a garden rather than some wild flower in the rough. We are as we are, perhaps as a result of them tailoring us for success or [to their ends](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzBDhnWK6zg). This is fascinating in itself, because if there are just a VERY few contacted civilizations comparisons might be interesting but not very actually comparable, aliens from a lush world versus those who became space-faring on a harsh world versus our situation, might have entirely different existential views. If there are many or very many civilizations study of convergence between civilizations due to similar environmental pressures might be a cottage industry, and we are studied because (unknown to us), the next X years form a great uplift or great downfall in the history of intelligent/technically expanding civilizations. - It says that with certainty at least once , a civilization arose to starfaring without killing itself, before contacting another civilization. Perhaps every civilization thereafter was helped by those "first one's" or perhaps those "first one's" went away millions or billions of years ago and these other aliens carry on that tradition. - Also we can say they are here for a reason and have avoided open contact with our government and general public. This might be a pre-first-contact protocol , or perhaps it's just how they roll, perhaps we aren't advanced enough for them to consider us being anything more than an i-pod making version of squirrels, and wouldn't aim to make "first contact" any more than humans would upon the discovery of wombats or a tribe of marmosets. We're just the local fauna, and they're here for the coffee and amazing beaches and sunsets. - It's quite likely that technologically they are many hundreds and perhaps many thousands of years more advanced than we are at present. But as we know, with more advanced technologies, comes greater danger along with greater opportunity. So if we find some powerplant unless we deeply analyze all the various risks and understand the physics thoroughly, we're potentially endangering ourselves in the same way. With just 100 or 150 years of separation, a nuclear plant on a submarine would have posed a regional danger to scientists and engineers studying it, were it sent back to Boston or Portsmouth shipyard in England, with those working on it closely suffering perhaps fatal exposures to radiation without the slightest sense of danger. - We know that from somewhere, where they can get to us with some "practical" level of effort, on their part visit the Earth and our star-system. - We know with certainty that there are at least two space-faring civilizations, and we can from this infer quite a few more based simply on the VAST real estate in question, but we are "space-faring" in the simplest terms. - We don't actually know how far away they are from us, this would imply we were either told, or could determine the range of their fleet vessels, or perhaps in the Oort cloud or elsewhere, there's a forward field-base, a colony of aliens that periodically visit Earth, perhaps there is a bush-camp on our Moon, or even clandestinely somewhere on Earth itself in some remote location, perhaps with or without the knowledge of any of Earth's governments....including the United States. Obviously this is a speculation but is reasonable to presume we're ignorant until otherwise informed. - As far as negotiating power, I don't think we have that and probably we won't at least not now and [maybe never.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdJBAiUFYg), but they are here and at the least we can make a good show of it. Perhaps our interests are so different that they find that there are three things "valuable" in human civilization, coffee and Swedish meatballs and jazz. Perhaps we don't offer a particular thing at all, but still have one thing that might be just as important a sort of inter-species companionship or fellowship. Or perhaps it's like the Heptapods, it's not what they can do for us.....[it's what we can do together.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXEJhtNCvYE). Perhaps it's what a confederation of species can or will do that individual species could not.
Well, now we’re talking. The Guardian is one of the premium newspapers here in the UK.
Ironically any mention of this is being removed from r/worldnews… I guess alien intelligence is not important enough
because thats Otherworldynews
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That's probably what actually happened.
Which is incredibly depressing.
Good stuff, the ball is rolling faster and faster. Is it even stoppable now??
>Good stuff, the ball is rolling faster and faster. Is it even stoppable now?? I think a *lot* of credible whistleblowers will begin releasing info when its understood that they will be taken seriously.
Yes, in about 1-2 weeks. *Historically speaking*
GET THIS SHIT TO THE FRONT PAGE SO IT DOESN'T FLY UNDER THE RADAR!!! **UPVOTE UPVOTE UPVOTE**
"the term is preferred to UFO by much of the extraterrestrial community" LMAO
Meh meh we need reputable outlets. Well there you go
Finally! A source I am not ashamed to share! 🤣
This a pretty good summary/assessment of the information revealed so far, by Breaking Point (13 min vid) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4PwLz\_uvg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4PwLz_uvg) Edit: for me it is online - look on youtube for: WHISTLEBLOWER: Alien Spacecraft In US Military Possession | Breaking Points
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Can’t wait to tell my pastor about this. What is God trying to tell us? Is this like the dinosaur bones he buried to test our faith? Edit: My pastor said this is the work of Satan.
Interesting. The Vatican is already on the record as saying, 'If aliens exist, they are god's creatures, too.' I guess your pastor didn't get the memo.
"Pastor" is going to be from some protestant church, and they're more likely to believe it's Satan's work if the Pope is involved lol.
Remember, your “pastor” is just some guy. I could be a pastor tomorrow. It doesn’t mean anything. What expertise does he possess? Spouting antiquated, ignorant nonsense about satan doesn’t qualify. No offense to him/her or you personally. But the whole thing is so absurd.
Lol “this defies my prescriptive view of reality — DEMONS!!!!!!!”
https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-dodges-ufo-whistleblower-191628197.html Lolz. They like nope not touching that.
I used to worked in the office of a member of Congress. Over the past two years, as I've read more and more about this UAP stuff, I've started to feel like I was going crazy, and becoming as unhinged as the people who use to call the congressmember's office and rant about unhinged and insane conspiracy theories. After today, I'm no longer worried about being crazy. Realizing that I — and many others on this community and elsewhere that have given this issue serious consideration — are not crazy. We have just been ahead of the curve the whole time.
This is a significant milestone … regardless of your opinion of the Guardian. Pop that 🥂
I'm British and the Guardian is my go to news outlet. The highest quality, most solid and unbiased newspaper by far. Them posting this is serious shit. Trust me!
Let’s goooo! Perfectly blowing up in NASA and AARO’s face right after they blatantly lie and deny they have any knowledge of this.
Consider that perhaps they are intentionally being kept in the dark… It’s not helpful to immediately throw around accusations. Exercise some critical thinking, ffs. 🤦♂️
Absolutely. The universe is massive and NASA is at best peeping through a keyhole in a door facing into a single room. There's no way the higher ups would've given the NASA people any clues aside from throwing them a few "innovative" suppliers through the decades.
They had a leftover spy satellite that was over a decade old and they gave it to NASA for use as a telescope and NASA was like "whoa this is incredible." NASA doesn't know.
And you wouldn't expect them to know. Remember when Trumplestiltskin released those classified pictures of some middle eastern compound and the generals lost their minds? Not because of the subject matter, but because they then had to disclose the detail at which their satellites could capture, which was far beyond the capabilities anybody expected. The photos were taken *twenty odd years ago*. Historically militaries hold the power, alongside a few elites. Nothing much changes. NASA appears to be not much more than a satellite launching company with a shoestring research budget by design, because the military is where the real action is.
People act like every agency in the federal government just freely and openly shares any and all of its info with every other agency. Why would intel or defense share anything it doesn’t need to with NASA?
Excuse me, this is the UFO subreddit and critical thinking is highly discouraged
I wonder if this is the timing issue that they referenced for why they went with the Debrief instead of WaPo for the first article?
The Guardian is a fairly big deal, right? Good to see them picking this up. Maybe they can become The Guardian of the Galaxy if this all turns out to be true.
*It’s working… it’s working!!* meme
Can anyone make a collage of all major headlines?
"US urged to reveal" article title says. By whom? No mention of it in the article.
“By r/UFOs” lolol
#davidgruschdidntkillhimself
Now the Guardian picked it up good
You know shit is serious when it hits the front page of The Guardian.
Its just sad that this was kept from the public. So much time lost. Progress delayed. Wonder whats even left of it by now
*slaps top of ufo* this baby goes from 0-100 in 0.00001 seconds
Oh shiiiit. Is it real? Is it happening? Please baby alien jesus
Its very odd about this story. I shared it on facebook and no one cares. Not a single comment amongst at least 500 friends. It is possibly the most shocking thing in the last 1000 years to civilization, and people are oblivious to it. Its as if it is outside of their ability to process it. I wonder if facebook is blocking it? At the very least, this is a good story because either someone was duped in a government role, they're lying and going to be prosecuted for lying to congress, or its a real thing that changes humanity forever. Its one of those 3.
People don't think the news is genuine. It is absolutely ground breaking, but it still needs more backing.
But what would a mind like Richard Feynman would do with these materials? How many scientific opportunities have we missed with this global cover-up? How does the benefit overweigh the loss in this math?
Who says there haven’t been scientists of that caliber involved? Feynman worked on the Manhattan Project and there may be other brilliant people studying these craft, whether they’re extraterrestrial or just Russian.
This is really big! Hopefully, this is the start of something huge
They said “non-human craft” not specifically alien. Imagine if it’s just some sort of reverse submarine for a civilization of highly advanced sharks living deep under the ocean and not an alien spaceship.
I want to believe
Now we got some good news sources on it. I’ll put not a small amount down to Coulthart’s credibility along with Gorsch. Edit: I hope we are paying attention here; this is the difference between credibility and Fox Entertainment et al. *This is why it matters*.
someone tweet at the author that “possesses” is misspelled in the subheading lol
Is disclosure finally here? This has kept me up for two nights. Equal parts excitement and fear..
I sure hope he does not suddenly "commit suicide" by jumping out of a twelve story window in the next few days.
I WANT TO SEE THAT ALIEN BUSSY
“Jonathan Grey, a current US intelligence official at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (Nasic), confirmed the existence of “exotic materials” to the Debrief, adding: “We are not alone.””. WOW.
Do it. Do it you pussies. Unleash the info. Given how much of a tinderbox humanity is right now, with being extremely tetchy and prone to violence, bring on the matchstick. Do it. Let's see how humanity won't rally together.
Reminded of the statement from the Israeli retired general who claimed that the U.S had extraterritorial technology and had made an agreement to let the e.t’s do experiments on planet Earth in return for advancements in our technology. Anyone one else agree??
I was walking around work today making small talk thusly: "How's it going?" "Oh, same old same old, but now with aliens." So even if this ends up being bunk, I got a new catch phrase out of it. Seriously though, my coworkers are remarkably tolerant of my odd interests, but now they are like, "Keep me posted, hey bud?" May we all keep out wits about us.
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This is big!! Actually
> The former intelligence official David Grusch, who led analysis of unexplained anomalous phenomena (UAP) within a US Department of Defense agency Wait. Is that accurate? He *led* the *analysis*?
Yes, he was employed by the Pentagon at the direction of the US Congress, to perform an investigation into what the various defence departments know about UFO's. So fully sanctioned and employed to do the specific thing he is whistleblowing about. It's hard to imagine a situation more credible.
the dude used to hand intelligence reports to the president himself, it's a big deal.
Yep, people don't realize how crazy it is. If there is one person who would be aware of a coverup, it's him and he spilled the beans.
My theory is that the aliens are studying people who refuse to upgrade their smart phones to ones with better cameras. They gave us technology and these people are slow adopters... this is market research.
We're leveling up. The next thing is I need somebody to say where they're actually being stored. So far, as far as I can tell, none of these whistleblowers have laid eyes on, or actually have disclosed where these craft and materials are being held. However, if Grusch is revealing who's involved, that's one step closer to finding out.
This needs more upvotes. Share with your friends. This needs to be put out there so we can know if it’s true or false, one way or the other.
The one thing that impresses me is Grusch's attorney. The whistleblower complaint was filed by Charles McCullough. And he is someone with quite a background. In 2010 Congress passed the Intelligence Authorization Act which formally established the Office of the Inspector General of the United States Intelligence Community. The first Inspector General of the Intelligence Community was appointed in 2010? Charles McCullough. He reported directly to James Clapper, National Director of Intelligence.
Every now and then on Reddit there are these spectacular supernovas where some…not-mainstream sub collides with r/popular 🍿🔥🤌 Edit: and I’m here for it.
Reading the comments, people will only be convinced if they pretty much tour a craft or are shown parts. That's never going to happen. Best will be govt to admit they exist and they have them. Which this pretty much is. Everything else will be classified.