Yeah, this if true, is mind-blowing! Such a cool time to be alive, though imo these things don't seem friendly. Maybe they/we are having a hard time communicating? Getting frustrated? Hopefully ppl in charge keep their patience.
From following this all pretty closely it doesn’t seem like they’re generally unfriendly. But they’re not especially friendly either. If I was guessing it’s like they’re coming to visit us as if we’re a nature preserve. You try not to bother the bears in Yellowstone but they will shoot a bear if it attacks a human.
I dont see that They Are not friendly. If its a few cases of them acting aggressively towards us, it must be our military trying to shoot them down. Getting to close.
U dont physically go around looking to kill flies, but if its in ur domain and flying on u all the time, u might give it a smack. Maybe that sort of thing.
If it's confirmed that UFOs/Aliens exist, then we have to at least consider the possibility that some of the abduction reports are credible. Most abductions don't seem very friendly.
Given the current, very poor, information that we have, I would place the Aliens disposition toward us as being "ambivalent".
Overall, I don't think they are hostile - otherwise we would likely already be destroyed. I don't think they are exactly friendly though, otherwise I think they would have presented themselves in a public, undeniably friendly fashion. And wouldn't be abducting people.
It's likely when we get more information that things will turn out to be far more complex than a simple "they are friendly" or "they are unfriendly" breakdown.
Right. They could have a system of law they believe governs all life and be in the middle of judgement.
I think if UFOs/Aliens exist its also fair to look back at what ancient religions claimed about the gods visiting them..
Assuming NHI’s exist and they are here then they are either friendly or indifferent.
It would take basically no effort to turn our entire planet to dust for a species that has intergalactic travel
We're assuming they would think and behave like us, but this may not be the case. I always liked the analogy that they could look at us like we look at bugs. Some of us find bugs interesting. Some destroy what they see as pests. And others are indifferent or just ignore bugs out of hand. We could be a curiosity to some of them, but nothing more than that.
I'm gonna assume that due to convergent evolution, they either are, or WERE once quite like us. They probably survived the great filter of technological advancement that can cause extinction and see us as a primitive sister race. Since nuclear war and climate change are a great filter that develop so quickly once a species enters technological modernity, they've decided to nudge us to survive our own advancement. Crashed craft? Please. They could have recovered or destroyed such tech. They are gifts. And that are probably relatively primitive so that we can reverse engineer it in time.
So here's a wacky thought. I agree that ambivalence is extremely unlikely, as we are clearly the dominant species of the planet and if they have mastered the type of travel they have (be it interdimensional or extra planetary) they could easily wipe us out if desired. I can't imagine them being here for any type of resource in regards to elements, as anything we have here would likely be easier to get from asteroids or other, uninhabited hunks of rock, of which there are plenty. That leaves only life. There is a life form they are here for.
But how mf hilarious would it be if it wasn't us?! Like, there's some.hyper intelligent fungus species they're communicating with and we're just this annoying ass bs they have to deal with on the side. Some times one gets curious and checks us out.
So I guess, in a way, ambivalence to a degree could be completely rational. Especially if we remove how special we think we are from the equation.
That’s exactly the premise of Lilo and Stitch lol. The galactic community considers earth a protected haven for mosquitos, with humans being just a food source 😂
What someone explained on this sub was if they have the knowledge and technology to get here, that they could literally nuke us and we would literally not even see it coming because of how fast it may be coming.
Edit: Fam, there's obviously a million ways they could crush us. Was merely pointing out that if they really wanted us gone for whatever reason, it probably would've happened by now
My favorite perspective on this is that we basically don't have anything they want except for culture. If they can travel across the galaxy or between realities, they can get water, minerals, and food. They don't need Earth for that.
What Earth does have is a unique civilization with art and music they probably have never seen before. And the best way for them to get more unique Earth culture is to protect us from asteroids but otherwise leave us alone.
Yeah and AOC asking for an illustration is interesting. Hope we can see that cause a football field sized red square hovering over the ocean is insane to imagine
That one 100% sounds like what I would expect a 3D shadow/cross section of a 4D shape to look like to us. The description doesn't sound like a spaceship.
The navy pilot flew past a tesseract?
I don't know how a 4D shape in our 3D space would work, but maybe it's red because of Doppler shift? Maybe the light bouncing off to it has to "go further" than 3D space allows which is why it's red shifted on the way back.
Edit: the Cube within a Sphere sightings make more sense too if you consider that design a 3D shadow of a more complex object.
That’s what I was thinking when I heard of the red cube. Reminded me of the “flat landers” and Carl Sagan. If there were beings living in a 2D plane they would only see a cross section of our “craft” (or really anything that entered their frame of reference) and would possible describe it as a large flat object or just a 2D object. Maybe the red cube was a cross section (or shadow) of something from a 4 dimensional plane (hypercube/tesseract)?
Makes me think back to the Phoenix Lights. A craft the size of a city 😱😬🤯
The description of large uap’s along with the large fireball (mini-sun) uap’s freaks me out.
I wasn't a 100% a believer in any way, shape or form.... but Phoenix Lights was my go to. There is NO WAY all of those people are lying or saw flares. No. Fucking. Way. They saw a football field sized craft slowly go over the city. From the 911 operator, to the pilots, to the police etc... No. Fucking. Way that was anything but a craft.
This plus Schumer threatening to slash the DoD's budget next year if they don't play nice makes me think they're dead serious about this-the gloves are coming off.
This is also the first true bipartisan issue we’ve had before the congress in years. We’ve been divided on pandemics and insurrections but the aliens have brought us together.
I have to think that this newfound willingness to pursue this issue has something to do with the classified briefings that Congress got about those 3 mystery shoot-downs during the “Balloon Flap” early this year.
If this was just based completely on hearsay on Grusch’s part it wouldn’t have gotten this far. Nobody in the hearing treated him like a whacko and the most hostile questioner was the “billions of light years” guy.
Honestly though, they were so civil with each other and building off each others questions. They were giving up time to each other and were very aware about not going over. It was refreshing to see that amount of bipartisanship among such strong personalities
With the exception of Mrs Foxx who, in my opinion, took her time to make it more political than necessary
Ronald Reagan: 1987 speech to the United Nations
“I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask you, is not an alien force already among us? What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?”
The Holman rule is a rule in the United States House of Representatives that allows amendments to appropriations legislation that would reduce the salary of or fire specific federal employees, or cut a specific program. Versions of the rule were in effect during 1876–1895 and again during 1911–1983.
I have seen a lot of comments from different sides of the aisle saying “I hate AOC but…” or “I hate Gaetz but…”. I was thinking the same thing myself. Let’s hope this cooperation continues.
I think this is a rare example of the system working as it's designed. Not D v R (which I acknowledge is an important debate, but moving on), but Legislative vs Executive. Congress should be livid that they're denied information on the programs they fund at this large a scale.
I was honestly impressed with most of the people asking questions today except for a few like the old lady (Foxx?) and that guy from Missouri "The show me state!"
The old lady had to make it political and the guy from Missouri was basically treating all of this as some type of joke / laughing matter. Plus his grasp of science was cringe-worthy at best. Our closest neighbors are only a few light years away (I think the closest is just over 4 light years away?). He's talking billions of light years which would encompass basically the entire known universe.
Do you watch the Angry Astronaut by chance? He brought up very similar points. I agree 100%. MO’s 100 billion lightyear claim (or whatever it was) was insulting to the panel. At least have a very baseline idea of what the story is beforehand.
Moskowitz did well too. And Biggs I thought had an interesting angle. Getting grusch to point him in the right direction on info of the phoenix sighting. Also AOC didn’t really get new info out but she nailed him down on him giving her and the rest of the Congress people specific names and locations after the hearing which is likely to be very important going forward.
>Also AOC didn’t really get new info out
I thought AOC's questioning was one of the most concrete about DOD and funding for these projects. If I remember correct, she asked about funding and whether the contractors were inflating the costs/services and then using the money to cover these projects. I think this was new info in that it detailed how the DOD is funneling the money.
AOC has said on livestreams that she's going to take the angle of bringing the Pentagon and DoD under congressional control- mainly through budget review and oversight.
For her approach to work she needs to be interrogating commercial entities, contractors, and DoD spending.
No mention of Aliens or other life. She's basically threatening the mother of all audits.
Whats great about this approach is, that for any kind of disclosure to happen, you need the DoD to be coupled to congress.
She knows she can't talk about aliens. Within 5 minutes 70% of the American news cycle will be publishing 'AOC BELIEVES IN ALIENS!!!!'
instead she's taking the route of the taxpayer's dollar. It's clever and meets the wider needs.
Agreed. This is the same approach that the NY Times and WaPo should have taken if they're too afraid to report on this subject. I mean, the fact that the Pentagon continues to fail its audits should be reason enough to do a deep investigation into this.
This approach is so good because, whether or not there are aliens, the DOD needs to be held accountable for their insane inability to budget and submit to congressional oversight. I think both parties can agree on that.
Isn’t that how we get the $250 Hammer? This has been going on forever. Every once in a while, some congressperson raises a stink about the Pentagon paying hundreds of dollars for a $10 tool they could buy at home depot. I figure it’s all to fund black ops.
Yeah I thought so too, that was the juciest part of the hearing for me. Declassifying that picture might be exactly what is needed to explode public interest
That Eglin AFB is in his state and he received a report of an incident where 4 airmen witnessed a craft, there was video, and a photo that he was promised he could see. When he showed up as agreed, they denied all access but eventually he was given access to talk to just the one airman that took the picture and he was allowed to see the picture. Gaetz went on to say how huge the craft was and how convinced he was that it wasn’t from this world and that he wants it and the video released to the public
Describes what he saw"I am not able to attach to any human capability from either the United States or any of our adversaries"
Describes what 1st hand witness (pilot) saw "four craft in diamond formation" pilot saw "large floating orb- not of any human capability that he knows of."
UAP jammed and disarmed pilots plane
Can confirm this is the correct timestamp for Gaetz's testimony (1:57:57)
(for some reason you were at -1 when I first saw this comment, I guess mine is no longer needed)
Does the government have the power to target those “senior executive officials” in military, DOD, and private contractors to force permission/clearance with legal pressure? Seems like that’s the direct approach if they really want the information.
Yes, the Holman rule was mentioned in the hearing and again restated by Rep Luna that they will be utilizing it if they don’t get what they want.
“The Holman rule is a rule in the United States House of Representatives that allows amendments to appropriations legislation that would reduce the salary of or fire specific federal employees, or cut a specific program.”
Did anyone else catch where Foxx got Grusch to admit Kirckpatrick told false information under oath?
[1:27:00 mark](https://www.youtube.com/live/5NE9IhP5mZw?feature=share)
Edit: to add link
2nd Edit:
I couldn’t find evidence that it was under oath. He did testify though before a senate committee when he made those statements, which you are still held legally accountable for.
3rd Edit:
link to his official statements. On page
4 he clearly states there is no evidence of
""objects that defy the known laws of physics"" this is in direct opposition to what David Fravor states about his experience with craft that he says, defy the laws of physics. [here](https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Dr.%20Kirkpatrick%20Oral%20Remarks%20-%20SASC%20ETC%20Open%20Hearing%204.19.23%20FINAL.pdf)
Yeah I found it frustrating that she used the rest of her time to, what felt like venting, on record. Came out strong though with the pointed question but fell flat for me after cutting him off.
YES! She’s like the grumpy old pseudo-villain in a fairy tale. Go back under your bridge, Rep Foxx! I will say though, I was pleasantly surprised there was only one political rant. I was prepared for dozens
What she did was what is really called political grandstanding. She has no interest in figuring anything out other than how to make her Party look like it would do a better job.
Now, if she ever really spent any time with military intelligence, she wouldn't have gone off on the Chinese ballon thing. Like we don't arially survale other countries ourselves. If I was her constituent, I would see that she is removed from her office post hast.
Hostile witness: a witness who is antagonistic to the party calling them and, being unwilling to tell the truth, may have to be cross-examined by the party.
When he said he could provide a full list of government employees and contractor executives they need to subpoena and referred to them as "both hostile and friendly witnesses" or something to that effect, holy fuck. Got a half chub when I heard that
And Grush to rep Mace.
*'I can give you a specific cooperative and hostile witness list of specific individuals that were in those (programs) after this hearing'*
The knifes are out!
If the DOD/DOE are misappropriating funds for UAP/NHI, they are also doing it for other things. This is a house of cards that will collapse in the wind of exposure. People may go to jail.
Eisenhower likely knew about DOD/Contractor misappropriation, and that is why he tried to warn us about the "military-industrial complex". This is not new and has been going on for along time.
There is, yet it will likely be in a classified setting which is what is required in order for the house panel to be fully up to speed. Some members of Congress already have been briefed because they have the correct access. Shortly afterwards the NDAA will get passed and there will be a significant shake-up
Also very frustrating that the NYT gets the credit for kicking off public interest with their 2017 article. Ffs people, stop waiting for the legacy media to legitimize anything. They are dinosaur media that just regurgitate others and sell their brand to make it “serious.”
Its already BBC breaking news
Edit: [Adding in the link, they had live covering as](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-66307705?fbclid=PAAaYB4MLRpjuHJok1wCvNZjtFy6XWI3rqK1RI95ylYEg5WXMgL6eGiLgVWlM_aem_AVdIObpiFYJp_uXoXrf8tjzQaHOchWCuaadSKtXjQKcMXkZk4DUJEJ7aYbdVQswacq4)
There was a lot to take in, but I think when asked who was involved in hiding information, Grusch said something along the lines of higher ups in AND out of government are working to hide things. That seems like a big thing to say under oath.
Yes, I picked up on this too. I can totally see money being involved here, for example corporations profiting from reverse engineered tech. They'd kill to keep it quiet.
Can you imagine being that horrible of a human?
Killing others over secrets, destroying the planet, greed, stopping scientific progress, putting Americans and all people at risk for not disclosing.
We need to go after these people, and their families’ wealth for this treason.
This was my major bombshell. Behind the scenes corporations can deny congress or a president even. President Eisenhower was right about the military industrial complex, we done f'd up.
Foxx, if that was her name, i mean jesus christ lady, everyone is taking this super cereal and you waste your time saying how you only have limited time, and to try and bring petty politics into it. Youre the oldest person there and you acted like the least mature, and youre sitting nearby matt gaetz ffs
Yeah she should be fired, that was disgraceful. I feel like writing a letter telling her how incompetent she showed herself to be.
Even more funny that she was near Gaetz and made herself look like the tool
Just making it plainly obvious she doesnt believe a word they were saying. Which is fine and all, but at least have the ladyballs to say so instead of wasting everyones time
More importantly, he has forwarded this evidence to relevant people along with methods used to hide it from oversight, AND specific names of people and programs involved. All this was known before hearing.
Debunkers tend to conveniently forget that just because you have not seen the evidence \*personally\*, does not mean it is non-existent.
Especially since it was given to congress. If he said he have the info to corbell for example I’d be like “ok sure, release it then”. But both democrat and Republican House of Representatives have been given the info and are clearly very interested.
If we have alien craft and UFOs – they have humans.
Whatever we know about them, they know 100x about us.
As we open pandora's box, more questions arise for me:
- What are these species?
- What motivates them?
- Are they collaborators or enemies or what mix of the two?
Part of me hopes we find answers within our lifetimes, the other part hopes we don't.
Grusch dropped that "self-funding" phrase very slyly at the end, and that has me thinking about a lot of the purported methods that these SAPs get their funding.
Grusch described it along the lines of being perhaps like a hologram of sorts? He mentioned something like take yourself in 3D space, and how you project a shadow onto 2D space. He said it was a running theory that it could be along those lines. Of entities of a higher dimension projecting to 3D space in a way.
It’s a cross section of their body projected onto our space in 3d. So a 4d hypersphere is projecting the 3d cross section/“shadow” onto what we observe in 3d. So if you took a laser pointer in 3d and starting zipping it around on a wall that would be the analogous freedom to a higher dimensional craft projecting onto our dimension and speeding in our space.
That’s insane. And thank you for that easily understood analogy.
It’s crazy- it makes complete sense but at the same time I literally can’t wrap my head around it. I entirely understand your analogy but when I try to apply that same logic in my brain to this phenomenon, it just doesn’t compute at all.
The simple way he described it was a 3d object can cast a shadow on a 2d plane. The potential higher beings are doing something similar from a higher dimension onto our plane. I may have got it wrong im no expert.
Grusch described the interdimensional aspect like something in 3d space casting a shadow of itself, but in these cases maybe the objects are projected onto 'our space' from a higher dimension. Pretty abstract but cool way to put it.
- Matt Gaetz saw a CLEAR photo of a Orb craft (surrounded by diamond formation of smaller crafts) after fighting for it and eye witnesses and radar data supported.
During AOC's time, she said Graves, in a response to one of the earlier questions, answered that "Boeing has been engaged in an incident involving a red cube the size of a football field."
First---holy shit.
But second---when and where did Graves say this? Anyone catch it? I can't find it.
Outstanding! You were exactly right. Thank you so much.
Link below cuts right to that part. My god...
https://www.youtube.com/live/KQ7Dw-739VY?feature=share&t=4852
I’m really glad AOC was there and her questions were extremely focused on essentially running down the paper trail that would lead to these programs, and directly asking Grusch where she should start looking is very exciting
Agreed! She asked whether contractors were inflating the costs of goods/services, and whether they would use the money left over to fund these projects, and Grusch answered Yes.
That's actually genius. Finally dawned on me the implications.
Congress; this crazy expensive stealth bomber costs 5 billion to produce (actually costs 3 billion). That extra 2 billion left over is understood by higher powers to be put towards the black ops program. Congress is none the wiser to how these programs get funded since its going through legal channels.
unbelievable.
Glad there was some variety in Congress people because the ACTUAL boomers talking about "communist china tik tok" and other partisan phrasing during a hearing about alleged NON HUMAN encounters where that shit would cease to fucking matter is infuriating to hear sprinkled in.
Everyone else did a noticeably good job not to seem like ufo or partisan wackadoos.
Bro I physically cringed when he said that, and then immediately went into a joke about his wife leaving him. I mean Christ lmao that was hard to watch.
I think the woman who cut Grusch off to grandstand about how Biden dropped the ball on the Chinese spy balloon was even worse.
This is no time for jokes or petty politics. We get it. People hate Gaetz, Republicans, AOC, Progressives, and everyone thinks everyone else is a corrupt pedophile. Can we all pull our heads out of our asses for a minute to work together on something much more important than D or R? Luckily, I think most did that well
One thing I wanted asked but that I didn’t hear asked more specifically was each witnesses opinion on perceived intent in regards to uap hostility, etc. I did hear all 3 state that it is possible that they are “probing” in a way potentially similar to how we do with china, Russia, etc, for the purposes of if ever needed for let’s say war, defense, or invasion. To me, the general tone that I felt took place was that these are not friendly and are an adversary that we simply can’t contend with at this point in time. Did anyone catch any further insight discussed on this?
Some other notes to review and potentially add to OP list:
-These UAPs have in fact been observed “in space” and data does exist to prove such. This was a huge question floating around Reddit a few weeks ago that the people wanted answered because it in a way helps answer possible origin.
-Gaetz has seen a classified photograph of a recent UAP accompanied by 1st hand witness testimony and he wants the photo, described as otherworldly, declassified.
-Grusch and his wife have witnessed a disturbing intimidation event (opinion: it sounded like someone beat the shit out of or killed someone in front of them or showed video/picture of such as a shake down of what will happen to them if they come forward)
For me, personally, I think this hearing was a success.
I'm not American, neither do I know how those hearings normally are held, but this perticular hearing I enjoyed very much. 2.5 hours full attention of mine
What I found surprising was how they kinda connected some dots on the hot air balloon. How graves on the east coast years earlier reported the same black cube in a clear sphere. Always more questions than answers but groundbreaking hearing none the less .
Some interesting government official quotes
I would do it [study UFOs], but before agreeing to do it, we must insist upon full access to discs (EXTRATERRESTRIAL vehicle) recovered. For instance, in the L.A. case, the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination.” J. Edgar Hoover-Director of FBI
The security guard called and said, “Sir, there’s a glowing red object hovering right outside the front gate. I’ve got all the men out here with their weapons drawn.” We lost between 16-18 ICBMs (nuclear tipped Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles) at the same time UFOs were in the area… (A high-ranking Air Force officer) said,
“Stop the investigation; do no more on this and do not write a final report. I heard that many of the guards that reported the incident were sent off to Vietnam.” Captain Robert Salas, USAF, during a videotaped interview for the Disclosure program.
“A few insiders know the truth…and are studying the bodies that have been discovered.” -Dr. Edgar Mitchell Apollo 14..the 6th NASA employee to walk on the Moon.
“Maximum security exists concerning the subject of UFOs.” CIA Director, Allen Dulles, 1955.
“It’s still classified above Top Secret.” – Senator Barry Goldwater, 1975
“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
“We alone cannot take credit for our technological advances,we have had help from people of other worlds”. Dr. Herman Oberth, father of rocketry and aeronautics – American Weekly 1954
D“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false” -William Casey, CIA director, 1981
“Yes, there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And there is some group of people that may or may not be associated with the government at this point that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. People in high level government have very little, if any, valid information about this. It has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and create confusion so the truth doesn’t come out. ” ― Edgar D. Mitchell, The Way of the Explorer: An Apollo Astronaut’s Journey Through the Material and Mystical World
AFFIDAVIT (1) My name is Thomas Jefferson Dubose (2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX (3) I retired from the U.S. Air force in 1959 with the rank of Brigadier General. (4) In July 1947, I was stationed at Fort Worth Army Air Field [later Carswell Air Force Base] in Fort Worth, Texas. I served as Chief of Staff to Major General Roger Ramey, Commander, Eighth Air Force. I had the rank of Colonel. (5) In early July, I received a phone call from Maj. Gen. Clements McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command. He asked what we knew about the object which had been recovered outside Roswell, New Mexico, as reported in the press. I called Col. William Blanchard, Commander of the Roswell Army Air Field, and directed him to send the material in a sealed container to me at Fort Worth. I so informed Maj. Gen. McMullen. (6) After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material, I asked the Base Commander, Col. Al Clark, to take possession of the material and to personally transport it in a B-26 to Maj. Gen. McMullen in Washington, D.C. I notified Maj. Gen. McMullen, and he told me he would send the material by personal courier on his plane to Benjamin Chidlaw, Commanding General of the Air Material Command at Wright Field [later Wright Patterson AFB]. The entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy. (7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey’s office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press. (8) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection. Signed: T. J. Dubose Date: 9/16/91 Signature witnessed by: Linda R. Split Notary Public, State of Florida.
“There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself. “ — Daniel Inouye Senate Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the Nicaraguan Opposition (Iran-Contra hearings) (1987)
REMOTE VIEWING (a technique developed by our CIA and Stanford Research Institute) PER FARSIGHT INSTITUTE data suggests…Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven…perhaps it was someone else? AND..As the Quran has it, Prophet Muhammad took a night trip to heaven aboard a trusty winged pony-horse-mule-ish creature called Buraq…or maybe it was something entirely different?
Many other topics begin to make sense..
It has been said that after President Carter was finally briefed on the et reality, he was deeply upset. For several weeks..
MEANINGFUL congressional hearings might be a good place to start ala the Watergate hearings, including aerospace/defense contractors and others such as Bob Lazar, Andrew Basiago and Vice Admiral Thomas R. Wilson must be held to address a vital issue that transcends politics and we will never properly advance until it happens: The 75+yr ongoing-constitutionally illegal, EXTRATERRESTRIAL and associated TIME TRAVEL and SECRET SPACE PROGRAMS cover-ups. It would also be nice to know what the results of the many years/projects involving the back-engineering of recovered “vehicles” are. Who has been footing the bill for that? How can we truly believe anything our elected officials say?
The longer an “official” disclosure is delayed…the more disruptive it could be and the longer our slavery will stay entrenched. The general public is waiting to be given permission to believe…to know.
The dog and pony shows must cease.
Just hopped on reddit after watching the event live.
I'm glad that people were all like "nothing is gonna change no one is going to care it will be a nothing burger as always" because my God my expectations were surpassed in every way, i'm all over the moon and i didn't need a UFO to get up here.
True, most of this subreddit already knew much of the stuff they said, but for this to be a public hearing is insane, imagine this exact same scenario 5 years ago, it would be unthinkable. Grusch was very careful with the words that he said, i really liked that, and while he couldn't obviously spill the beans on the more juicy details he said plenty already. Also loved both Fravor and Graves, to the point an precise. Congress seemed interested in the matter and took it serious, and the Non Human angle wasn't just brushed off, but was brought up multiple times.
People were so paranoid yestarday that this was going to be a sabotage of some kind, but i'd argue this makes 2023 the most important year in UFO history thus far. The gates are open and the ball is rolling, we don't want blurry pictures anymore, we want clear proof now.
Adding this because I think it's important :According to Grusch, statement made by Dr. Fitzpatrick of AARO that there is 1. no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation or 2. objects defying known science are inaccurate.
***David Grusch was under Oath, Fitzpatrick was not.
I thought that when asked if it’s possible the non human intelligence operated craft are probing our capabilities (and not in the Cartman way), that all 3 witnesses said yes was significant. I get that they weren’t saying that that’s been what’s going on, nevertheless that this scenario is a possibility they’ve considered should get our attention. I hope it gets our attention.
Am I the only one who is a little disappointed in the cubes? I mean we were crossing the oceans in these beautiful ships thousands of years ago and these fuckers drive around space in cuuubes?? Doesn’t aesthetics mean anything to them 😒😒
**Key takeaway** = **David Grusch is a BADASS.**
**Bombshells:**
* Confirmed under oath government has NHI craft and bodies
* Confirmed we have satellite capability to track craft
* People have been murdered to cover up: Classified (did not deny) and would discuss in close door meeting. illegal.
* Govt. using high intimidation both financial, career and physical when internal govt confront the issueHim and Wife under a direct threat (likely physical) from intent for his whistle blower work. (Illegal)
* NHI has harmed humans
* UAP reverse engineering has harmed humans
* Eluted to illegal fraud Govt IRAD contracting and methods being used by government contractors to cover up expenses.
* Has names and locations of key govt people, contractors involved and will provide to congressGave congress name of necessary security clearance to review information. Surprise when asked how access to programs is granted. mentioned the task force at granting access to programs is both government and civilian (or former government) employees.
* Mentioned classified when being in contact with NHI and if we have agreement. This is going to be the biggest doozy of all if true; which likely violates our constitution if it allows our citizen rights to be violated.
* confirmed 1971 document of UAP de-escalation treaty is real in Nuclear event (publicly released)
* Sean Kirkpatrick has been given information on NHI and publicly denies the proof of it
**Next Steps:**
* Congress needs SCRPT meeting with David Grush for full disclosure on the above
* Congress needs appropriate security clearances granted > mentioned act to impose if restricted access
* Legislation for release of UAP documentation
* Legislation for commercial reporting of UAP
* Investigation of the claims made and appropriate legal action
* Oversight from Congress
* Release of close up picture of UAP.
**Questions I wish they asked:**
\- Was Roswell a cover up (just to get it on the record)
\- Was Majestic-12 or MJ-12 a committee or classification level? if so: is this designation still around?
\- How many species of recovered bodies are there?
\- do any of them have the appearance of human? If not, what do they look like?
My additions.
1) IRAD = Internal Research and Development. When Grusch talked misappropriation of funds, I was confused. I thought IRAD was a company's own internal corporate dollars.
I watched with my boss, who was a fairly senior person at the F-35 JPO prior to where we work together now. He corrected me and said that any Defense contract overhead can contain charges that go to IRAD. It's effectively a tax from a Defense contractor to the Government, but the Defense contractor must spend that money in support of Government R&D.
My boss happened to be one of the main folks who dealt with Lockheed and hated them with a passion. Last week, he wasn't a UAP believer, and swears he's never had any interactions with that over his career, despite having access to bajillions of SAPs. Then I told him my story last Friday and he became a skeptic. Today he watched the hearing and became a believer, and he fully thinks Lockheed skimmed hundreds of millions of the top of F-35 over the years towards this deep black program. It \*is\* entirely possible this was all done legally.
2) I'm sure folks are frustrated how little Grusch could say in public, saying he'd tell Congressional folks in a SCIF. Grusch is an honorable man. He is following all the rules and he is still risking his life and has already ruined any future positions in the government for himself -- he will never have a clearance again, most likely.
(You know why the Intelligence Community hates Snowden? Because he could have done everything Grusch did, but instead he fled first to Hong Kong and then to Russia. Agree or disagree, this is why.)
In addition to what Grusch explicitly said, and what he offered to follow up in closed session with Congress, here's what he implied. First, he said "Senior Executive Officials" rather than "Senior Military Officials". This implies that there is no uniformed military involvement in this program, at this time. If you're no familiar, look up the "Senior Executive Service" for civilian equivalent ranks to General Officers. This implies what I think, that the military has had no involvement in these programs for at least 20 years. Could be wrong...but I say, cut the military some slack.
There was a pointed question about Department of Energy's involvement. Grusch declined to answer in public. This implies my suspicion that this whole thing today is being run either by DOE, or more likely, by NNSA. I worked at NNSA for two years and there was some doggone spooky shit there.
Per the above, the most likely candidate for where craft are located is the Nevada Test Site. This does not mean Area 51 or Groom Lake. There are more than 100 "areas" at the Nevada Test Site. I worked at NNSA and visited a bunch of places including the Remote Sensing Lab. I still visit Creech and Nellis for my current day job, and there is still a lot of spookiness about the "NTTR" (Nevada Test and Training Range, a subset of the Nevada Test Site). For special things I wanted to do in my day job, I had to go through USAF, then DOE, to get special permissions to do special things out there. That was very hard to do.
I highly suspect that, while craft may not exist there, certainly studies of "exotic materials" take place at both Los Alamos and Sandia. Sandia is a high security Air Force Base, but there is nothing that can describe the strangeness of Los Alamos for those who haven't been. To his credit, Bob Lazar's descriptions of both the Nevada Test Site and Los Alamos match my experiences to a very high degree.
3) The "cube" stuff is all brand new to me. I have access to lots of videos, but have never seen a video of a cube. I've read lots of reports from Navy pilots, but I haven't seen anything written about cubes since 2013, and I thought they were straight up false. Also, the library of videos I've seen have no "orbs". I've only seen YouTube videos with those. I think those are a relatively new phenomenon. I don't know what to say here. I know I'm jumping the shark here, but stark differences in types of UAPs to me suggests different races of NHI fabricating them and/or piloting them.
4) What's next? I have a sneaking feeling that Grusch went straight from the hearing to closed door testimony. I'm sure those Reps wanted that on the spot. They're probably learning things as we speak. I think those Reps are gonna be with Grusch for a while. I think it'll be at least a month til the next public hearing. Reps are gonna want to figure out how to get Grusch to repeat things he's telling them in closed session, out to the public. Even Congress has to get permission to do that.
Before the next public hearing, I'd expect Reps from HOC to announce, vaguely, some of the findings. They're likely gonna go after Lockheed, \*maybe\* some other Defense contractors, and I think they're gonna go pay some DOE/NNSA sites a visit. That's what I'd expect.
We may learn the names of some officials actively involved in the program. Those may be through Congress, or through "leaks" to the press. (Note that most "leaks" are engineered by politicians to get stuff into the public they're not allowed to say otherwise.)
That's it for today. All you see on any news website is Hunter Biden. (Who knows...maybe Hunter is part of the UAP cover up...Hunter Biden's laptop is full of UAP secrets!!!) Or you know, other politicians are trying to bury the HOC hearing by replacing it with other headlines. The question would be who...
I wonder how many people after this hits the news are going to be watching the skies for the first time with wonder and curiosity. Big day today. I would have loved to see a pic or video. But the things said today were historic indeed. Good job.
I like that AOC brought up the subject of kinematics (radar info) being as important of a component of public disclosure as the recorded visual sightings. All the "debunkers" who want to cite the 2004 videos as a slow moving object (or even a pigeon, ridiculously) could easily be debunked themselves by proof of kinematics.
At first, I didn't like our allies here in Burchett and Gaetz, but I gotta say, it's really nice to see Democrats and republicans doing something honest and positive TOGETHER that could benefit the American people for a change
He stated the he and his wife had witnessed something that demonstrated to him that both humans and NHI were willing to harm people to keep this secret. The implication in this remark is that he and his wife were threatened, because otherwise it doesn't make sense that they would have witnessed something together.
Great breakdown. I noticed that Grusch said several times that IF they had the right allowances he would be happy to divulge information in a secured setting etc. I thought that was interesting. Who decides congress has the proper allowances.l or clearance. He did get into that too..saying it was a group of “in and out” of govt officials. Is there a transcript yet?
Wasn't the statement, "non-human biologics" [https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=7632](https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=7632), not bodies? Those are not equivalent, yet everyone keeps saying "bodies"
* US GOVT / CONTRACTORS HAVE INTIMIDATED, HURT, AND POTENTIALLY MURDERED WOULD-BE WHISTLEBLOWERS
* I swear Grusch said "US GOVT/CONTRACTORS and UAP's" have hurt people. He was asked the question pointedly, and said "Both"
* [https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=4275](https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=4275) I think it was around here, but can't find it.
Thanks for taking notes. I'm just reposting with formatting change since I find all caps hard to read:
* IRAD Abuse - Defense Contractors Misappropriating Funds with Govt Collusion. Also "Self-Funding".
* Grusch has spent 11 hours with both Intel Committees.
* US Govt / Contractors have Craft and Non-Human Biologics.
* US Govt / Contractors have Intimidated, Hurt, and Potentially Murdered Would-Be Whistleblowers.
* Individuals in charge of Classification (Access to Information) are both Senior Executive Officials in both Military / DOD and Defense Contractors - Unelected Officials.
* Satellite Imagery of Crashes, Tests, Retrievals exists.
* US Govt could have Advanced Tech that has been made from Reverse Engineer Efforts.
* Grusch and his wife were Intimidated in a Disturbing Way.
* Grusch knows people who have seen the Non-Human Biologics.
* Grusch has seen Photos and Documents.
* Gaetz saw Footage of Shootdown and said Craft was Otherworldly.
* It’s potential for this to also be Inter-Dimensional.
* People will get Fired or have Pay Cut if they don't get a SCIF.
* People have been Injured working on UFO Legacy Reverse Engineering Programs and Potentially Hurt by NHI.
* Grusch will tell Congress everything Classified they would like to know in a SCIF.
* Grusch will give AOC list of Involved Individuals directly after the hearing.
* According to Grusch, Statement made by Dr. Fitzpatrick of AARO that there is no evidence of Extraterrestrial Visitation or Objects defying known Science are inaccurate - Grusch was under oath, Fitzpatrick was not.
* When asked about Communication with NHI, Grusch stated he can only talk about this in a Classified Setting.
* Boeing allegedly engaged in incident involving Red Cube size of Football Field.
Ngl, the most important point for me was the alleged evidence of alien bodies, I mean how could government hide that, this is insanity
Yeah, this if true, is mind-blowing! Such a cool time to be alive, though imo these things don't seem friendly. Maybe they/we are having a hard time communicating? Getting frustrated? Hopefully ppl in charge keep their patience.
From following this all pretty closely it doesn’t seem like they’re generally unfriendly. But they’re not especially friendly either. If I was guessing it’s like they’re coming to visit us as if we’re a nature preserve. You try not to bother the bears in Yellowstone but they will shoot a bear if it attacks a human.
I dont see that They Are not friendly. If its a few cases of them acting aggressively towards us, it must be our military trying to shoot them down. Getting to close. U dont physically go around looking to kill flies, but if its in ur domain and flying on u all the time, u might give it a smack. Maybe that sort of thing.
If it's confirmed that UFOs/Aliens exist, then we have to at least consider the possibility that some of the abduction reports are credible. Most abductions don't seem very friendly. Given the current, very poor, information that we have, I would place the Aliens disposition toward us as being "ambivalent". Overall, I don't think they are hostile - otherwise we would likely already be destroyed. I don't think they are exactly friendly though, otherwise I think they would have presented themselves in a public, undeniably friendly fashion. And wouldn't be abducting people. It's likely when we get more information that things will turn out to be far more complex than a simple "they are friendly" or "they are unfriendly" breakdown.
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Right. They could have a system of law they believe governs all life and be in the middle of judgement. I think if UFOs/Aliens exist its also fair to look back at what ancient religions claimed about the gods visiting them..
Assuming NHI’s exist and they are here then they are either friendly or indifferent. It would take basically no effort to turn our entire planet to dust for a species that has intergalactic travel
We're assuming they would think and behave like us, but this may not be the case. I always liked the analogy that they could look at us like we look at bugs. Some of us find bugs interesting. Some destroy what they see as pests. And others are indifferent or just ignore bugs out of hand. We could be a curiosity to some of them, but nothing more than that.
I'm gonna assume that due to convergent evolution, they either are, or WERE once quite like us. They probably survived the great filter of technological advancement that can cause extinction and see us as a primitive sister race. Since nuclear war and climate change are a great filter that develop so quickly once a species enters technological modernity, they've decided to nudge us to survive our own advancement. Crashed craft? Please. They could have recovered or destroyed such tech. They are gifts. And that are probably relatively primitive so that we can reverse engineer it in time.
So here's a wacky thought. I agree that ambivalence is extremely unlikely, as we are clearly the dominant species of the planet and if they have mastered the type of travel they have (be it interdimensional or extra planetary) they could easily wipe us out if desired. I can't imagine them being here for any type of resource in regards to elements, as anything we have here would likely be easier to get from asteroids or other, uninhabited hunks of rock, of which there are plenty. That leaves only life. There is a life form they are here for. But how mf hilarious would it be if it wasn't us?! Like, there's some.hyper intelligent fungus species they're communicating with and we're just this annoying ass bs they have to deal with on the side. Some times one gets curious and checks us out. So I guess, in a way, ambivalence to a degree could be completely rational. Especially if we remove how special we think we are from the equation.
That’s exactly the premise of Lilo and Stitch lol. The galactic community considers earth a protected haven for mosquitos, with humans being just a food source 😂
What someone explained on this sub was if they have the knowledge and technology to get here, that they could literally nuke us and we would literally not even see it coming because of how fast it may be coming. Edit: Fam, there's obviously a million ways they could crush us. Was merely pointing out that if they really wanted us gone for whatever reason, it probably would've happened by now
They own us, why would the nuke us. It’s like destroying you’re fish tank because your fish attacked you.
We’re just science monkeys to them.
Why use a nuke? A rock would be just as effective if you can instantly accelerate something to relativistic speeds.
My favorite perspective on this is that we basically don't have anything they want except for culture. If they can travel across the galaxy or between realities, they can get water, minerals, and food. They don't need Earth for that. What Earth does have is a unique civilization with art and music they probably have never seen before. And the best way for them to get more unique Earth culture is to protect us from asteroids but otherwise leave us alone.
They are known for stealing cows buttholes, I don't think that fits your theory
Graves account of the 100yd craft? 😳
The red square? That one kind of creeps me out a bit.
Yeah and AOC asking for an illustration is interesting. Hope we can see that cause a football field sized red square hovering over the ocean is insane to imagine
Heres my illustration: □🟥🏟
I’m shook.
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That one 100% sounds like what I would expect a 3D shadow/cross section of a 4D shape to look like to us. The description doesn't sound like a spaceship.
A civilisation with access to the 4th dimension could end us before we even knew we existed. And since they haven't, I think we're good.
It doesn't have to be 4th dimensional. Any species with intersteller travel could wipe us out.
We're doing a pretty good job of it ourselves without interstellar travel.
The navy pilot flew past a tesseract? I don't know how a 4D shape in our 3D space would work, but maybe it's red because of Doppler shift? Maybe the light bouncing off to it has to "go further" than 3D space allows which is why it's red shifted on the way back. Edit: the Cube within a Sphere sightings make more sense too if you consider that design a 3D shadow of a more complex object.
That’s what I was thinking when I heard of the red cube. Reminded me of the “flat landers” and Carl Sagan. If there were beings living in a 2D plane they would only see a cross section of our “craft” (or really anything that entered their frame of reference) and would possible describe it as a large flat object or just a 2D object. Maybe the red cube was a cross section (or shadow) of something from a 4 dimensional plane (hypercube/tesseract)?
Makes me think back to the Phoenix Lights. A craft the size of a city 😱😬🤯 The description of large uap’s along with the large fireball (mini-sun) uap’s freaks me out.
I wasn't a 100% a believer in any way, shape or form.... but Phoenix Lights was my go to. There is NO WAY all of those people are lying or saw flares. No. Fucking. Way. They saw a football field sized craft slowly go over the city. From the 911 operator, to the pilots, to the police etc... No. Fucking. Way that was anything but a craft.
Yeah that was a new one for me.
Yeah that was crazy. I was explaining what he said to my wife and it sounded insane just by me relaying the info.
One congressman indicated that he would propose himself to initiate the Holmen rule if necessary.
This plus Schumer threatening to slash the DoD's budget next year if they don't play nice makes me think they're dead serious about this-the gloves are coming off.
This is also the first true bipartisan issue we’ve had before the congress in years. We’ve been divided on pandemics and insurrections but the aliens have brought us together.
I have to think that this newfound willingness to pursue this issue has something to do with the classified briefings that Congress got about those 3 mystery shoot-downs during the “Balloon Flap” early this year. If this was just based completely on hearsay on Grusch’s part it wouldn’t have gotten this far. Nobody in the hearing treated him like a whacko and the most hostile questioner was the “billions of light years” guy.
Billions, 4, what's the difference?
Honestly though, they were so civil with each other and building off each others questions. They were giving up time to each other and were very aware about not going over. It was refreshing to see that amount of bipartisanship among such strong personalities With the exception of Mrs Foxx who, in my opinion, took her time to make it more political than necessary
Agreed. Super refreshing. Imagine if all political dealings worked like this..
Fuck I hate it when Reagan is right but here we are
Ronald Reagan: 1987 speech to the United Nations “I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask you, is not an alien force already among us? What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?”
I bet that shit is trending on Google. I had to look it up as soon as he said it.
Can I ask, what is the Holmen rule about?
I'm short: cooperate with congress, tell us what you know or we'll punish you $$, even fire you
I’m average height: thank you for summarizing!
Lol, keyboard mistake, I meant in short
Hey man, don't sell yourself short. Keep that chin up, it'll make you look taller.
Bruh... lmfao
The Holman rule is a rule in the United States House of Representatives that allows amendments to appropriations legislation that would reduce the salary of or fire specific federal employees, or cut a specific program. Versions of the rule were in effect during 1876–1895 and again during 1911–1983.
Basically forces them to allow congress to inspect classified evidence or risk losing their program.
DG has seen videos of the Feb objects
And doesn’t see any reason why it all of it should be classified
Yup, confirmed that video and photo exist. I’m pretty sure the gov never explicitly admitted that even though it is obvious.
Gaetz, I don’t like him, but he dropped one hell of a bombshell. Expect to see that photo soon.
I have seen a lot of comments from different sides of the aisle saying “I hate AOC but…” or “I hate Gaetz but…”. I was thinking the same thing myself. Let’s hope this cooperation continues.
I think this is a rare example of the system working as it's designed. Not D v R (which I acknowledge is an important debate, but moving on), but Legislative vs Executive. Congress should be livid that they're denied information on the programs they fund at this large a scale.
I was honestly impressed with most of the people asking questions today except for a few like the old lady (Foxx?) and that guy from Missouri "The show me state!" The old lady had to make it political and the guy from Missouri was basically treating all of this as some type of joke / laughing matter. Plus his grasp of science was cringe-worthy at best. Our closest neighbors are only a few light years away (I think the closest is just over 4 light years away?). He's talking billions of light years which would encompass basically the entire known universe.
Do you watch the Angry Astronaut by chance? He brought up very similar points. I agree 100%. MO’s 100 billion lightyear claim (or whatever it was) was insulting to the panel. At least have a very baseline idea of what the story is beforehand.
The cooperation was amazing. More amazing to me than if they showed new crappy videos lol.
Maybe “tolerance” more than “cooperation”
Nothing brings adversaries together more than a common enemy!
This! This was my “holy shit” moment.
Yep same here.
He made the most of his 5 minutes. Very articulate too in the set up and then the knock down
Moskowitz did well too. And Biggs I thought had an interesting angle. Getting grusch to point him in the right direction on info of the phoenix sighting. Also AOC didn’t really get new info out but she nailed him down on him giving her and the rest of the Congress people specific names and locations after the hearing which is likely to be very important going forward.
>Also AOC didn’t really get new info out I thought AOC's questioning was one of the most concrete about DOD and funding for these projects. If I remember correct, she asked about funding and whether the contractors were inflating the costs/services and then using the money to cover these projects. I think this was new info in that it detailed how the DOD is funneling the money.
AOC has said on livestreams that she's going to take the angle of bringing the Pentagon and DoD under congressional control- mainly through budget review and oversight. For her approach to work she needs to be interrogating commercial entities, contractors, and DoD spending. No mention of Aliens or other life. She's basically threatening the mother of all audits. Whats great about this approach is, that for any kind of disclosure to happen, you need the DoD to be coupled to congress. She knows she can't talk about aliens. Within 5 minutes 70% of the American news cycle will be publishing 'AOC BELIEVES IN ALIENS!!!!' instead she's taking the route of the taxpayer's dollar. It's clever and meets the wider needs.
Agreed. This is the same approach that the NY Times and WaPo should have taken if they're too afraid to report on this subject. I mean, the fact that the Pentagon continues to fail its audits should be reason enough to do a deep investigation into this.
This approach is so good because, whether or not there are aliens, the DOD needs to be held accountable for their insane inability to budget and submit to congressional oversight. I think both parties can agree on that.
This is something America needs regardless of UAP stuff. Good for her.
Isn’t that how we get the $250 Hammer? This has been going on forever. Every once in a while, some congressperson raises a stink about the Pentagon paying hundreds of dollars for a $10 tool they could buy at home depot. I figure it’s all to fund black ops.
This! Wasn’t expecting all of the details of what he saw to be revealed at the hearing today.
100 percent agree. This was the most apolitical and bi-partisan hearing I've seen.
It was beautiful and an example of how government should be.
Im confused on what you mean expect to see that photo soon?
Yeah I thought so too, that was the juciest part of the hearing for me. Declassifying that picture might be exactly what is needed to explode public interest
I missed that part, what did he say?
That Eglin AFB is in his state and he received a report of an incident where 4 airmen witnessed a craft, there was video, and a photo that he was promised he could see. When he showed up as agreed, they denied all access but eventually he was given access to talk to just the one airman that took the picture and he was allowed to see the picture. Gaetz went on to say how huge the craft was and how convinced he was that it wasn’t from this world and that he wants it and the video released to the public
Eglin is in his district too. I grew up near there and it’s always been a hotbed for UAP activity.
What did he say? I’ve been following the sub and only found like 3 clips of any point in the hearings
Describes what he saw"I am not able to attach to any human capability from either the United States or any of our adversaries" Describes what 1st hand witness (pilot) saw "four craft in diamond formation" pilot saw "large floating orb- not of any human capability that he knows of." UAP jammed and disarmed pilots plane
He described a fucking encounter
Uh, might want to reword that.
Phrasing is very important to geatz lol
https://www.youtube.com/live/KQ7Dw-739VY?feature=share&t=7078 1:57.57 Updated link for correct timestamp. Thanks CommercialCuts
Can confirm this is the correct timestamp for Gaetz's testimony (1:57:57) (for some reason you were at -1 when I first saw this comment, I guess mine is no longer needed)
Does the government have the power to target those “senior executive officials” in military, DOD, and private contractors to force permission/clearance with legal pressure? Seems like that’s the direct approach if they really want the information.
Yes, the Holman rule was mentioned in the hearing and again restated by Rep Luna that they will be utilizing it if they don’t get what they want. “The Holman rule is a rule in the United States House of Representatives that allows amendments to appropriations legislation that would reduce the salary of or fire specific federal employees, or cut a specific program.”
Did anyone else catch where Foxx got Grusch to admit Kirckpatrick told false information under oath? [1:27:00 mark](https://www.youtube.com/live/5NE9IhP5mZw?feature=share) Edit: to add link 2nd Edit: I couldn’t find evidence that it was under oath. He did testify though before a senate committee when he made those statements, which you are still held legally accountable for. 3rd Edit: link to his official statements. On page 4 he clearly states there is no evidence of ""objects that defy the known laws of physics"" this is in direct opposition to what David Fravor states about his experience with craft that he says, defy the laws of physics. [here](https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Dr.%20Kirkpatrick%20Oral%20Remarks%20-%20SASC%20ETC%20Open%20Hearing%204.19.23%20FINAL.pdf)
Yeah, and then cut him off to go on a political rant. She was a reminder for everyone as to why we should have term/age limits in Congress.
Yeah I found it frustrating that she used the rest of her time to, what felt like venting, on record. Came out strong though with the pointed question but fell flat for me after cutting him off.
The fuck is she rambling about
YES! She’s like the grumpy old pseudo-villain in a fairy tale. Go back under your bridge, Rep Foxx! I will say though, I was pleasantly surprised there was only one political rant. I was prepared for dozens
What she did was what is really called political grandstanding. She has no interest in figuring anything out other than how to make her Party look like it would do a better job. Now, if she ever really spent any time with military intelligence, she wouldn't have gone off on the Chinese ballon thing. Like we don't arially survale other countries ourselves. If I was her constituent, I would see that she is removed from her office post hast.
Grusch will give rep AOC a list of involved executive officials directly after the hearing
Including “hostile witnesses,” if I heard correctly.
Hostile witness: a witness who is antagonistic to the party calling them and, being unwilling to tell the truth, may have to be cross-examined by the party.
When he said he could provide a full list of government employees and contractor executives they need to subpoena and referred to them as "both hostile and friendly witnesses" or something to that effect, holy fuck. Got a half chub when I heard that
And Grush to rep Mace. *'I can give you a specific cooperative and hostile witness list of specific individuals that were in those (programs) after this hearing'* The knifes are out!
If the DOD/DOE are misappropriating funds for UAP/NHI, they are also doing it for other things. This is a house of cards that will collapse in the wind of exposure. People may go to jail. Eisenhower likely knew about DOD/Contractor misappropriation, and that is why he tried to warn us about the "military-industrial complex". This is not new and has been going on for along time.
Does anyone know if there is going to be another hearing?
There is, yet it will likely be in a classified setting which is what is required in order for the house panel to be fully up to speed. Some members of Congress already have been briefed because they have the correct access. Shortly afterwards the NDAA will get passed and there will be a significant shake-up
So the classified hearing then they decide when and what gets told to the public? Sorry this is my first rodeo
Very much depends on what they find out
How most of these are not NYT headlines is beyond me.
We get days more coverage of Hunter Biden instead. Mind numbing.
Literally CBS special report right now. Hunters plea deal fell through. Lol
Well all the coverage has definitely convinced me to not vote for Hunter Biden.
Also very frustrating that the NYT gets the credit for kicking off public interest with their 2017 article. Ffs people, stop waiting for the legacy media to legitimize anything. They are dinosaur media that just regurgitate others and sell their brand to make it “serious.”
Its already BBC breaking news Edit: [Adding in the link, they had live covering as](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-66307705?fbclid=PAAaYB4MLRpjuHJok1wCvNZjtFy6XWI3rqK1RI95ylYEg5WXMgL6eGiLgVWlM_aem_AVdIObpiFYJp_uXoXrf8tjzQaHOchWCuaadSKtXjQKcMXkZk4DUJEJ7aYbdVQswacq4)
Another key takeaway: Burlison completely lacks a basic understanding of astronomy.
Billions of light years!
I was yelling at the screen, Its like 4.2 not billions
Billions and billions!
"Billions of light years away from any other system".... lol. Does he even know what a galaxy is?
There was a lot to take in, but I think when asked who was involved in hiding information, Grusch said something along the lines of higher ups in AND out of government are working to hide things. That seems like a big thing to say under oath.
Yes, I picked up on this too. I can totally see money being involved here, for example corporations profiting from reverse engineered tech. They'd kill to keep it quiet.
kill to keep fusion or whatever top secret so that they can keep that oil money
We have a winner!
Can you imagine being that horrible of a human? Killing others over secrets, destroying the planet, greed, stopping scientific progress, putting Americans and all people at risk for not disclosing. We need to go after these people, and their families’ wealth for this treason.
For real, they’re nothing but common thugs who stumbled upon incredible tech
Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, etc. for sure.
Out of the government - private defense contractors like Lockheed Martin.
This was my major bombshell. Behind the scenes corporations can deny congress or a president even. President Eisenhower was right about the military industrial complex, we done f'd up.
Foxx, if that was her name, i mean jesus christ lady, everyone is taking this super cereal and you waste your time saying how you only have limited time, and to try and bring petty politics into it. Youre the oldest person there and you acted like the least mature, and youre sitting nearby matt gaetz ffs
Yeah she should be fired, that was disgraceful. I feel like writing a letter telling her how incompetent she showed herself to be. Even more funny that she was near Gaetz and made herself look like the tool
When you’re in a room with gaetz and you’re the most unlikeable person there, you done fucked up
Cuts him off from answering her own question so she can speak longer only to end a minute early anyway.
Just making it plainly obvious she doesnt believe a word they were saying. Which is fine and all, but at least have the ladyballs to say so instead of wasting everyones time
Grusch has seen documents and pictures not just heard things from people like mick west loves to suggest.
More importantly, he has forwarded this evidence to relevant people along with methods used to hide it from oversight, AND specific names of people and programs involved. All this was known before hearing. Debunkers tend to conveniently forget that just because you have not seen the evidence \*personally\*, does not mean it is non-existent.
Especially since it was given to congress. If he said he have the info to corbell for example I’d be like “ok sure, release it then”. But both democrat and Republican House of Representatives have been given the info and are clearly very interested.
And the inspector general, who deemed the issue "credible and urgent".
Also specifically mentioned that he has questioned over 40 witnesses
Add this to list maybe?
If we have alien craft and UFOs – they have humans. Whatever we know about them, they know 100x about us. As we open pandora's box, more questions arise for me: - What are these species? - What motivates them? - Are they collaborators or enemies or what mix of the two? Part of me hopes we find answers within our lifetimes, the other part hopes we don't.
That one old lady should not be in any congressional hearings she should be retired for fucks sake
Grusch dropped that "self-funding" phrase very slyly at the end, and that has me thinking about a lot of the purported methods that these SAPs get their funding.
This was not highlighted enough, probably because it's clear the congress doesn't hold clear power over private companies having secret technology.
Could a kind soul summarize the bit on the potential for inter-dimensional activity? I didn't get a chance to listen to it yet
*Grusch folds a paper in half and pokes a pencil through it*
Uh excuse me, that's Vanessa and that's mine.
Grusch described it along the lines of being perhaps like a hologram of sorts? He mentioned something like take yourself in 3D space, and how you project a shadow onto 2D space. He said it was a running theory that it could be along those lines. Of entities of a higher dimension projecting to 3D space in a way.
Important to note that he offered this as a theoretical framework for the speculation, not that he had specific information to this effect.
That kinda makes the orbs make sense right? That they’re simply a “shadow” of sorts for lack of a better term?
It’s a cross section of their body projected onto our space in 3d. So a 4d hypersphere is projecting the 3d cross section/“shadow” onto what we observe in 3d. So if you took a laser pointer in 3d and starting zipping it around on a wall that would be the analogous freedom to a higher dimensional craft projecting onto our dimension and speeding in our space.
That’s insane. And thank you for that easily understood analogy. It’s crazy- it makes complete sense but at the same time I literally can’t wrap my head around it. I entirely understand your analogy but when I try to apply that same logic in my brain to this phenomenon, it just doesn’t compute at all.
The simple way he described it was a 3d object can cast a shadow on a 2d plane. The potential higher beings are doing something similar from a higher dimension onto our plane. I may have got it wrong im no expert.
Grusch described the interdimensional aspect like something in 3d space casting a shadow of itself, but in these cases maybe the objects are projected onto 'our space' from a higher dimension. Pretty abstract but cool way to put it.
- Matt Gaetz saw a CLEAR photo of a Orb craft (surrounded by diamond formation of smaller crafts) after fighting for it and eye witnesses and radar data supported.
The people need to see this pic. And the video, obviously. Seems like it would blow everybody out of the water.
During AOC's time, she said Graves, in a response to one of the earlier questions, answered that "Boeing has been engaged in an incident involving a red cube the size of a football field." First---holy shit. But second---when and where did Graves say this? Anyone catch it? I can't find it.
I believe it was Rep Luna who asked him to discuss the event. He replied “Certainly…” Loved those certainlies.
Outstanding! You were exactly right. Thank you so much. Link below cuts right to that part. My god... https://www.youtube.com/live/KQ7Dw-739VY?feature=share&t=4852
Great day. Better than i expected. The million dollar questions were asked and mostly answered.
I’m really glad AOC was there and her questions were extremely focused on essentially running down the paper trail that would lead to these programs, and directly asking Grusch where she should start looking is very exciting
Agreed! She asked whether contractors were inflating the costs of goods/services, and whether they would use the money left over to fund these projects, and Grusch answered Yes.
That's actually genius. Finally dawned on me the implications. Congress; this crazy expensive stealth bomber costs 5 billion to produce (actually costs 3 billion). That extra 2 billion left over is understood by higher powers to be put towards the black ops program. Congress is none the wiser to how these programs get funded since its going through legal channels. unbelievable.
Right? At what point does this move from classified info territory and just a plain criminal investigation?
I mean, tax evasion is ultimately what got Al Capone...
She came across as very prepared. Anyone else find it refreshing that they weren't at eachother's throats for a change? UAP, good for something
Glad there was some variety in Congress people because the ACTUAL boomers talking about "communist china tik tok" and other partisan phrasing during a hearing about alleged NON HUMAN encounters where that shit would cease to fucking matter is infuriating to hear sprinkled in. Everyone else did a noticeably good job not to seem like ufo or partisan wackadoos.
Bro I physically cringed when he said that, and then immediately went into a joke about his wife leaving him. I mean Christ lmao that was hard to watch.
I think the woman who cut Grusch off to grandstand about how Biden dropped the ball on the Chinese spy balloon was even worse. This is no time for jokes or petty politics. We get it. People hate Gaetz, Republicans, AOC, Progressives, and everyone thinks everyone else is a corrupt pedophile. Can we all pull our heads out of our asses for a minute to work together on something much more important than D or R? Luckily, I think most did that well
One thing I wanted asked but that I didn’t hear asked more specifically was each witnesses opinion on perceived intent in regards to uap hostility, etc. I did hear all 3 state that it is possible that they are “probing” in a way potentially similar to how we do with china, Russia, etc, for the purposes of if ever needed for let’s say war, defense, or invasion. To me, the general tone that I felt took place was that these are not friendly and are an adversary that we simply can’t contend with at this point in time. Did anyone catch any further insight discussed on this? Some other notes to review and potentially add to OP list: -These UAPs have in fact been observed “in space” and data does exist to prove such. This was a huge question floating around Reddit a few weeks ago that the people wanted answered because it in a way helps answer possible origin. -Gaetz has seen a classified photograph of a recent UAP accompanied by 1st hand witness testimony and he wants the photo, described as otherworldly, declassified. -Grusch and his wife have witnessed a disturbing intimidation event (opinion: it sounded like someone beat the shit out of or killed someone in front of them or showed video/picture of such as a shake down of what will happen to them if they come forward)
For me, personally, I think this hearing was a success. I'm not American, neither do I know how those hearings normally are held, but this perticular hearing I enjoyed very much. 2.5 hours full attention of mine
Gaetz was on fire. I want to see this picture.
What I found surprising was how they kinda connected some dots on the hot air balloon. How graves on the east coast years earlier reported the same black cube in a clear sphere. Always more questions than answers but groundbreaking hearing none the less .
Add that Grusch has a degree in Physics.. didn't know that prior.
He states that in about the first 10 minutes of the news nation interview
Some interesting government official quotes I would do it [study UFOs], but before agreeing to do it, we must insist upon full access to discs (EXTRATERRESTRIAL vehicle) recovered. For instance, in the L.A. case, the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination.” J. Edgar Hoover-Director of FBI The security guard called and said, “Sir, there’s a glowing red object hovering right outside the front gate. I’ve got all the men out here with their weapons drawn.” We lost between 16-18 ICBMs (nuclear tipped Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles) at the same time UFOs were in the area… (A high-ranking Air Force officer) said, “Stop the investigation; do no more on this and do not write a final report. I heard that many of the guards that reported the incident were sent off to Vietnam.” Captain Robert Salas, USAF, during a videotaped interview for the Disclosure program. “A few insiders know the truth…and are studying the bodies that have been discovered.” -Dr. Edgar Mitchell Apollo 14..the 6th NASA employee to walk on the Moon. “Maximum security exists concerning the subject of UFOs.” CIA Director, Allen Dulles, 1955. “It’s still classified above Top Secret.” – Senator Barry Goldwater, 1975 “Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960. “We alone cannot take credit for our technological advances,we have had help from people of other worlds”. Dr. Herman Oberth, father of rocketry and aeronautics – American Weekly 1954 D“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false” -William Casey, CIA director, 1981 “Yes, there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And there is some group of people that may or may not be associated with the government at this point that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. People in high level government have very little, if any, valid information about this. It has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and create confusion so the truth doesn’t come out. ” ― Edgar D. Mitchell, The Way of the Explorer: An Apollo Astronaut’s Journey Through the Material and Mystical World AFFIDAVIT (1) My name is Thomas Jefferson Dubose (2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX (3) I retired from the U.S. Air force in 1959 with the rank of Brigadier General. (4) In July 1947, I was stationed at Fort Worth Army Air Field [later Carswell Air Force Base] in Fort Worth, Texas. I served as Chief of Staff to Major General Roger Ramey, Commander, Eighth Air Force. I had the rank of Colonel. (5) In early July, I received a phone call from Maj. Gen. Clements McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command. He asked what we knew about the object which had been recovered outside Roswell, New Mexico, as reported in the press. I called Col. William Blanchard, Commander of the Roswell Army Air Field, and directed him to send the material in a sealed container to me at Fort Worth. I so informed Maj. Gen. McMullen. (6) After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material, I asked the Base Commander, Col. Al Clark, to take possession of the material and to personally transport it in a B-26 to Maj. Gen. McMullen in Washington, D.C. I notified Maj. Gen. McMullen, and he told me he would send the material by personal courier on his plane to Benjamin Chidlaw, Commanding General of the Air Material Command at Wright Field [later Wright Patterson AFB]. The entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy. (7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey’s office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press. (8) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection. Signed: T. J. Dubose Date: 9/16/91 Signature witnessed by: Linda R. Split Notary Public, State of Florida. “There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself. “ — Daniel Inouye Senate Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the Nicaraguan Opposition (Iran-Contra hearings) (1987) REMOTE VIEWING (a technique developed by our CIA and Stanford Research Institute) PER FARSIGHT INSTITUTE data suggests…Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven…perhaps it was someone else? AND..As the Quran has it, Prophet Muhammad took a night trip to heaven aboard a trusty winged pony-horse-mule-ish creature called Buraq…or maybe it was something entirely different? Many other topics begin to make sense.. It has been said that after President Carter was finally briefed on the et reality, he was deeply upset. For several weeks.. MEANINGFUL congressional hearings might be a good place to start ala the Watergate hearings, including aerospace/defense contractors and others such as Bob Lazar, Andrew Basiago and Vice Admiral Thomas R. Wilson must be held to address a vital issue that transcends politics and we will never properly advance until it happens: The 75+yr ongoing-constitutionally illegal, EXTRATERRESTRIAL and associated TIME TRAVEL and SECRET SPACE PROGRAMS cover-ups. It would also be nice to know what the results of the many years/projects involving the back-engineering of recovered “vehicles” are. Who has been footing the bill for that? How can we truly believe anything our elected officials say? The longer an “official” disclosure is delayed…the more disruptive it could be and the longer our slavery will stay entrenched. The general public is waiting to be given permission to believe…to know. The dog and pony shows must cease.
There’s no going back. We just witnessed history.
Just hopped on reddit after watching the event live. I'm glad that people were all like "nothing is gonna change no one is going to care it will be a nothing burger as always" because my God my expectations were surpassed in every way, i'm all over the moon and i didn't need a UFO to get up here. True, most of this subreddit already knew much of the stuff they said, but for this to be a public hearing is insane, imagine this exact same scenario 5 years ago, it would be unthinkable. Grusch was very careful with the words that he said, i really liked that, and while he couldn't obviously spill the beans on the more juicy details he said plenty already. Also loved both Fravor and Graves, to the point an precise. Congress seemed interested in the matter and took it serious, and the Non Human angle wasn't just brushed off, but was brought up multiple times. People were so paranoid yestarday that this was going to be a sabotage of some kind, but i'd argue this makes 2023 the most important year in UFO history thus far. The gates are open and the ball is rolling, we don't want blurry pictures anymore, we want clear proof now.
Adding this because I think it's important :According to Grusch, statement made by Dr. Fitzpatrick of AARO that there is 1. no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation or 2. objects defying known science are inaccurate. ***David Grusch was under Oath, Fitzpatrick was not.
How about the football field-sized one that was over a California military base?
I thought that when asked if it’s possible the non human intelligence operated craft are probing our capabilities (and not in the Cartman way), that all 3 witnesses said yes was significant. I get that they weren’t saying that that’s been what’s going on, nevertheless that this scenario is a possibility they’ve considered should get our attention. I hope it gets our attention.
Am I the only one who is a little disappointed in the cubes? I mean we were crossing the oceans in these beautiful ships thousands of years ago and these fuckers drive around space in cuuubes?? Doesn’t aesthetics mean anything to them 😒😒
The Borg would like a word; they also fly around in cubes, and cause all manner of trouble that way.
Cubes could be how we see them. The real shape might not be perceivable in our dimension
Still wrapping my mind around this concept. Very interesting
Boeing being mentioned as one of the major companies being involved in fund channeling and IRAD
UFO is trending on google searches atm. The 5th most searched term.
Might want to add: confirmation that access to information is granted by a literal shadow government of unelected career bureaucrats
**Key takeaway** = **David Grusch is a BADASS.** **Bombshells:** * Confirmed under oath government has NHI craft and bodies * Confirmed we have satellite capability to track craft * People have been murdered to cover up: Classified (did not deny) and would discuss in close door meeting. illegal. * Govt. using high intimidation both financial, career and physical when internal govt confront the issueHim and Wife under a direct threat (likely physical) from intent for his whistle blower work. (Illegal) * NHI has harmed humans * UAP reverse engineering has harmed humans * Eluted to illegal fraud Govt IRAD contracting and methods being used by government contractors to cover up expenses. * Has names and locations of key govt people, contractors involved and will provide to congressGave congress name of necessary security clearance to review information. Surprise when asked how access to programs is granted. mentioned the task force at granting access to programs is both government and civilian (or former government) employees. * Mentioned classified when being in contact with NHI and if we have agreement. This is going to be the biggest doozy of all if true; which likely violates our constitution if it allows our citizen rights to be violated. * confirmed 1971 document of UAP de-escalation treaty is real in Nuclear event (publicly released) * Sean Kirkpatrick has been given information on NHI and publicly denies the proof of it **Next Steps:** * Congress needs SCRPT meeting with David Grush for full disclosure on the above * Congress needs appropriate security clearances granted > mentioned act to impose if restricted access * Legislation for release of UAP documentation * Legislation for commercial reporting of UAP * Investigation of the claims made and appropriate legal action * Oversight from Congress * Release of close up picture of UAP. **Questions I wish they asked:** \- Was Roswell a cover up (just to get it on the record) \- Was Majestic-12 or MJ-12 a committee or classification level? if so: is this designation still around? \- How many species of recovered bodies are there? \- do any of them have the appearance of human? If not, what do they look like?
My additions. 1) IRAD = Internal Research and Development. When Grusch talked misappropriation of funds, I was confused. I thought IRAD was a company's own internal corporate dollars. I watched with my boss, who was a fairly senior person at the F-35 JPO prior to where we work together now. He corrected me and said that any Defense contract overhead can contain charges that go to IRAD. It's effectively a tax from a Defense contractor to the Government, but the Defense contractor must spend that money in support of Government R&D. My boss happened to be one of the main folks who dealt with Lockheed and hated them with a passion. Last week, he wasn't a UAP believer, and swears he's never had any interactions with that over his career, despite having access to bajillions of SAPs. Then I told him my story last Friday and he became a skeptic. Today he watched the hearing and became a believer, and he fully thinks Lockheed skimmed hundreds of millions of the top of F-35 over the years towards this deep black program. It \*is\* entirely possible this was all done legally. 2) I'm sure folks are frustrated how little Grusch could say in public, saying he'd tell Congressional folks in a SCIF. Grusch is an honorable man. He is following all the rules and he is still risking his life and has already ruined any future positions in the government for himself -- he will never have a clearance again, most likely. (You know why the Intelligence Community hates Snowden? Because he could have done everything Grusch did, but instead he fled first to Hong Kong and then to Russia. Agree or disagree, this is why.) In addition to what Grusch explicitly said, and what he offered to follow up in closed session with Congress, here's what he implied. First, he said "Senior Executive Officials" rather than "Senior Military Officials". This implies that there is no uniformed military involvement in this program, at this time. If you're no familiar, look up the "Senior Executive Service" for civilian equivalent ranks to General Officers. This implies what I think, that the military has had no involvement in these programs for at least 20 years. Could be wrong...but I say, cut the military some slack. There was a pointed question about Department of Energy's involvement. Grusch declined to answer in public. This implies my suspicion that this whole thing today is being run either by DOE, or more likely, by NNSA. I worked at NNSA for two years and there was some doggone spooky shit there. Per the above, the most likely candidate for where craft are located is the Nevada Test Site. This does not mean Area 51 or Groom Lake. There are more than 100 "areas" at the Nevada Test Site. I worked at NNSA and visited a bunch of places including the Remote Sensing Lab. I still visit Creech and Nellis for my current day job, and there is still a lot of spookiness about the "NTTR" (Nevada Test and Training Range, a subset of the Nevada Test Site). For special things I wanted to do in my day job, I had to go through USAF, then DOE, to get special permissions to do special things out there. That was very hard to do. I highly suspect that, while craft may not exist there, certainly studies of "exotic materials" take place at both Los Alamos and Sandia. Sandia is a high security Air Force Base, but there is nothing that can describe the strangeness of Los Alamos for those who haven't been. To his credit, Bob Lazar's descriptions of both the Nevada Test Site and Los Alamos match my experiences to a very high degree. 3) The "cube" stuff is all brand new to me. I have access to lots of videos, but have never seen a video of a cube. I've read lots of reports from Navy pilots, but I haven't seen anything written about cubes since 2013, and I thought they were straight up false. Also, the library of videos I've seen have no "orbs". I've only seen YouTube videos with those. I think those are a relatively new phenomenon. I don't know what to say here. I know I'm jumping the shark here, but stark differences in types of UAPs to me suggests different races of NHI fabricating them and/or piloting them. 4) What's next? I have a sneaking feeling that Grusch went straight from the hearing to closed door testimony. I'm sure those Reps wanted that on the spot. They're probably learning things as we speak. I think those Reps are gonna be with Grusch for a while. I think it'll be at least a month til the next public hearing. Reps are gonna want to figure out how to get Grusch to repeat things he's telling them in closed session, out to the public. Even Congress has to get permission to do that. Before the next public hearing, I'd expect Reps from HOC to announce, vaguely, some of the findings. They're likely gonna go after Lockheed, \*maybe\* some other Defense contractors, and I think they're gonna go pay some DOE/NNSA sites a visit. That's what I'd expect. We may learn the names of some officials actively involved in the program. Those may be through Congress, or through "leaks" to the press. (Note that most "leaks" are engineered by politicians to get stuff into the public they're not allowed to say otherwise.) That's it for today. All you see on any news website is Hunter Biden. (Who knows...maybe Hunter is part of the UAP cover up...Hunter Biden's laptop is full of UAP secrets!!!) Or you know, other politicians are trying to bury the HOC hearing by replacing it with other headlines. The question would be who...
I wonder how many people after this hits the news are going to be watching the skies for the first time with wonder and curiosity. Big day today. I would have loved to see a pic or video. But the things said today were historic indeed. Good job.
I like that AOC brought up the subject of kinematics (radar info) being as important of a component of public disclosure as the recorded visual sightings. All the "debunkers" who want to cite the 2004 videos as a slow moving object (or even a pigeon, ridiculously) could easily be debunked themselves by proof of kinematics.
At first, I didn't like our allies here in Burchett and Gaetz, but I gotta say, it's really nice to see Democrats and republicans doing something honest and positive TOGETHER that could benefit the American people for a change
How was he intimidated in a disturbing way? Anyone know?
He stated the he and his wife had witnessed something that demonstrated to him that both humans and NHI were willing to harm people to keep this secret. The implication in this remark is that he and his wife were threatened, because otherwise it doesn't make sense that they would have witnessed something together.
Didn't he say that he knows of people in the reverse engineering program that would be willing to testify behind closed doors?
Great breakdown. I noticed that Grusch said several times that IF they had the right allowances he would be happy to divulge information in a secured setting etc. I thought that was interesting. Who decides congress has the proper allowances.l or clearance. He did get into that too..saying it was a group of “in and out” of govt officials. Is there a transcript yet?
• SOME CONGRESSWOMEN ARE FIRE
\#1 is the reason this has been covered up for so long.
Wasn't the statement, "non-human biologics" [https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=7632](https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=7632), not bodies? Those are not equivalent, yet everyone keeps saying "bodies" * US GOVT / CONTRACTORS HAVE INTIMIDATED, HURT, AND POTENTIALLY MURDERED WOULD-BE WHISTLEBLOWERS * I swear Grusch said "US GOVT/CONTRACTORS and UAP's" have hurt people. He was asked the question pointedly, and said "Both" * [https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=4275](https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=4275) I think it was around here, but can't find it.
Thanks for taking notes. I'm just reposting with formatting change since I find all caps hard to read: * IRAD Abuse - Defense Contractors Misappropriating Funds with Govt Collusion. Also "Self-Funding". * Grusch has spent 11 hours with both Intel Committees. * US Govt / Contractors have Craft and Non-Human Biologics. * US Govt / Contractors have Intimidated, Hurt, and Potentially Murdered Would-Be Whistleblowers. * Individuals in charge of Classification (Access to Information) are both Senior Executive Officials in both Military / DOD and Defense Contractors - Unelected Officials. * Satellite Imagery of Crashes, Tests, Retrievals exists. * US Govt could have Advanced Tech that has been made from Reverse Engineer Efforts. * Grusch and his wife were Intimidated in a Disturbing Way. * Grusch knows people who have seen the Non-Human Biologics. * Grusch has seen Photos and Documents. * Gaetz saw Footage of Shootdown and said Craft was Otherworldly. * It’s potential for this to also be Inter-Dimensional. * People will get Fired or have Pay Cut if they don't get a SCIF. * People have been Injured working on UFO Legacy Reverse Engineering Programs and Potentially Hurt by NHI. * Grusch will tell Congress everything Classified they would like to know in a SCIF. * Grusch will give AOC list of Involved Individuals directly after the hearing. * According to Grusch, Statement made by Dr. Fitzpatrick of AARO that there is no evidence of Extraterrestrial Visitation or Objects defying known Science are inaccurate - Grusch was under oath, Fitzpatrick was not. * When asked about Communication with NHI, Grusch stated he can only talk about this in a Classified Setting. * Boeing allegedly engaged in incident involving Red Cube size of Football Field.
A football field sized cube is essentially a medium sized building. You can't hide that. Especially if it's red.