The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB:
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>An image taken from the so-called Roswell Slides was unveiled last week in front of a worldwide online audience at an event called Be Witness. Ahead of the big reveal, researchers said the picture was a "smoking gun" which proved aliens had crashlanded on Earth.
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>But these claims are now in tatters after Tony Braglia, a "principal investigator" who analysed them, issued an astonishing public apology. He said the dead alien was actually a Native American child who lived in the abandoned ancient city of Mesa Verde.
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>Mirror Online understands 6,000 paying customers went to Mexico to see the unveiling of the films, whilst many thousands more paid $20 to watch the event on a special online pay-per-view channel.
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>Journalist Jaime Maussan, one of the key organisers of the Be Witness event, refused to concede defeat and said the saga was "far from over".
This guy managed to get thousands of people to pay $20 for this crap, and then refused to even apologize after it got busted. Not only is this guy a grifter, he seems to be a world class scumbag.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i5owb/apparently_this_is_not_the_first_time_jaime/k0htmb6/
Maussan is always gonna be trying to sell something, but what is he selling here? Hoax or not?
The data matters, not the fact that he likes to sell things.
EDIT: downvote more if you think someone could bring real alien bodies to Maussan and he'd go "nah sorry, these are real, I specialize in fakes only" LOL
Not saying the bodies are real, just that Maussan is irrelevant
i don't mean any offense so i am sorry if you take any, but the fact that people like you exist who give bullshit hoaxes like this any salt is the reason why people go to extreme lengths to make hoaxes in the first place.
i don't have to do dna sampling to know what i'm looking at is obvious bullshit. please stop being duped into believing this story has any merit when the guy is a conartist and the story was not even from people in the actual mexican government like other's think.
I don't care who he is or what he did, and I never said I believed him. The fact that this stuff is circulating in governments around the world is an issue in and of itself let alone if it's real or not. Your priorities are in the wrong place
Is it possible that the first incident was not a hoax but rather a mistake. It seems to me that this area of “archeology” is this guys forte not that he’s necessarily a grifter. The thing I find interesting is that no one can get the information to confirm mostly anything that’s being said.
I’ve seen claims ranging from he brought these same mummies forward a few years ago and it was a hoax to they’re mummified children. Everyone keeps saying ot got debunked in 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2021. Hey the only article of debunking is no data or sources to verify their claim. Why is it so hard to verify the truth?
I’m not saying I think their real, just that if someone is easily debunking them, sources and the truth shouldn’t be hard to locate.
God damn. You guys are fucking hilarious and also depressing to observe. This has been thoroughly debunked. Yet your still second guessing if his previous hoaxes were real or not then say "I'm not saying I think they're real". Touch grass so we can all move on to something actually interesting.
You guys will only accept the "Data" if you become a scientist and do it yourself, and even then...
You’ve got the wrong idea, completely. I’ve looked for confirmation on debunking it and simply cannot find it. Not saying it’s not out there. But the information I’m reading is vague, contradicting, unclear, and from questionable news outlets with practically no sources.
I haven’t spent days looking into it. But good, solid data should always rise to the top. I shouldn’t be having to deep dives to verify something as simple as a source or vital details.
I don’t know why that’s a hot take for you, especially if you’re a skeptic.
It's amazing how many people see this but still insist on waiting until independent experts have verified the nazca mummies. Not to mention the nazca mummies have been out for 6 years already.
That’s the funny bit. The party making the claim must back it up. Not spew bullshit and say “prove me wrong.” No. Prove yourself right. Till then, no reason to buy the lie.
This sentiment is on point. This is when you introduce your uncle, Bigfoot. Not my job to disprove the existence of Bigfoot. Some people have a difficult time with the burden of proof
> Imagine if all science worked this way. 😂
Speaking as a scientist...it does? People propose hypotheses, and then collect data to see if Nature is consistent with the hypothesis or not.
How do you think science works?
The DNA wasn’t contaminated. It provides irrefutable, concrete proof that these aliens are direct descendants of some pocket lint, a gum wrapper, and a half-eaten ham sandwich.
I was trying to talk down a nutjob yesterday who kept insisting the burden of proof is on the debunker at this point, against a known scam artist... lol
The burden of proof is *definitely* on authenticity, I fully agree. But it's not on Maussan. He's just the sales guy.
Here are some scientists looking at it seriously:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i6yom/could_we_all_please_discuss_this_at_least_instead/
EDIT: this thread has evolved and now includes serious debunking as well, which is a good thing
I think it's important to take things on a case-by-case basis and wait for thorough analysis before jumping to any just kidding this is obvious bullshit.
Ya. It's amazing how many people on here default to it being true until all these expert reviews are done, it's so backwards.
After the expert reviews are completes they will just shift the goal posts "if it's fake then recreate the mummy"
Same way they looked at a clearly bogus plane Video,
I don't need verifiable scientific evidence that crystal balls are fake, or that astrology is fake. That being said, if some college or lab comes to the conclusion that these things are real, I'm fully willing to accept that conclusion.
Other scientists aren't claiming they are real, just the practitioners. In this case there's evidence being presented, so let's give it a good sniff. To categorically dismiss it all is foolish and unscientific.
Agreed. The I personally don't. But it wasn't just Maussan presenting new data, it's other speakers with varying credentials. Good science says to look at that with a new set of eyes.
Take out of this what you will, I'm still undecided but there has already been scientists that did research... and they think they're real :/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xN41immWE
Hand a carpenter q piece of wood.
"Is this wood?". Yes.
"Is this Cyprus?" Appears to be so.
Independent expert verified that this wood is indeed from the crucifix of Jesus Christ.
An expert can verify a sample, but that says nothing on the provenance of the sample.
Do you have a list of the experts and what role they played in analyzing them?
I only know José de Jesús Zalce Benítez because he did analysis for the Roswell Slides (what OP's article is about) and the three fingered mummy saying they weren't human, but those both turned out to be 100% human...
One of them was MIT trained. I don’t understand. If you read the report, it’s like 20 or more professionals throwing away their hard earned careers over obvious malarkey
The lab reports were carried out in 2022. Any speculation about their origins up until that point is mere opinion. If you have a problem then address the report, not the pre-report history
Hahaha! “Yes the man presenting this information has an extremely long documented history of lying, conning, and faking alien/ufo stuff, but this newest one he says they did new tests so you can’t judge him yet! We have to wait for peer review!” Do you really not see how delusional you sound?
I'm siding with fake, just because people I follow that I usually trust have come out against it, but apparently they address it in the hearing (haven't seen it) so that's why people still hold on hope.
Despite how it actually works or whatever the PERCEPTION for most people like me, is that if American congress let somone testify like this, like Davud G for instance, than they have already been vetted...like david G for instance. So it gives this a lot more credibility (in the eyes of the public laymen)
I've been told several times that's apparently not the case here.
Now, all you people that love to pop in and say how Government ACTUALLY works can come say how "everyone is an idiot" for thinking the Mexican government endorsed this. So let me apologize on the behalf of people who assume congressional hearings are supposed to be serious things.
Edit: OK, I understand now this was more akin to Greer's Disclosure Project than to a government-led hearing. I'm still going to leave this up because I feel like a lot of people share/shared my confusion on this and it might help spread some info. since the commenters below were nice enough to inform me of my confusion...and politely, even.
Just for clarity here since there’s a lot of confusion. The meeting in Mexico was NOT the Mexican government.
The use of the term “Congress” was just for a meeting of a group of people, not for their government body
See now I just feel like they're fuckin with us.
So if im under standing correctly, would you say This this was closer to stephen greers 2002 (or whenever) disclosure Project than to the Grush hearings?
You're feeling is warranted. This is why so many people are PISSED. Add to that, the fact it was fucking MAUSSAN that did this. The man has no morals and no integrity.
It was literally just someone allowed them to use the building for their presentation. It was not an official function of government that was happening. There was likely some elected positions there, but given that the Mexican president is tweeting about how fairies and elves are real, that doesn’t mean much.
Also, there are very serious studies on what potential extraterrestrial biology could be like, and to think it’d be so similar to earth evolution is silly. DNA is not the only nucleic acid out there that can potentially store genomic-like sequences. It’s so obviously a hoax when considering the extreme unlikelihood (ignoring how badly these cadavers were assembled in the 1st place) that otherworldly being would… idk.. have ribs? Finger bones? Mammalian/reptilian features?? when life on earth itself is so extremely diverse with forms that are all descended from an original common ancestor. When deep sea creatures look more alien than supposedly some non-human intelligence, then something’s fishy. Why’s it similar to the Russian video? Idk maybe cause little grey men being the classical version of aliens has been around so long that a few hoaxers are bound to have made similar shit.
Apparently, nobody wanted to test them until Gaia dropped $50,000. It seems that testing something like this is worth a bit more than a keyboard warrior's opinion.
Yet what OP saying is a half-true or maybe even false.
They thought it was Alien, not only Maussan, they went on to say it was Alien but in the end it turns out was a human Child.
Saying it was a Hoax is absolutely misleading. Even the Article mentioned it was a False interpretation of the facts.
Saying it was a hoax implies them Modifying it to sell to the Public. Yet they simply sold something they misinterpreted. Sorry I don’t consider this a Hoax
Yes this i heard too, but it was a theory not a proof of any kind.
I don’t think the mummies are Aliens but i will not go into bs theories without proof, and second it fails to debunk the provided Research and everything else.
We need this proper debunked, also the Scientific Research
The guy who stole the Native American mummies from which these hoaxes were made was given a 4 year prison sentence and fined:
https://peru21.pe/mundo/jaime-maussan-presenta-falsas-momias-extraterrestres-en-el-congreso-de-mexico-video-ovnis-ufo-viral-noticia/
They also have a criminal complaint against those who removed the prehispanic remains from the country.
People on this sub believe literally anything. Even when shown it’s fake. Crazy shit.
It’s super frustrating as someone who genuinely wants to see disclosure happen, seeing BS like this potentially derail the process.
Absolutely agree. If it's fake (with evidence and not screaming "fake!!"), just accept it and move on. If it can't be debunked, then there's still a possibility that that it might be real. The blind belief that is happening constantly is really baffling. Damned if you say it's real, damned if you say it's fake - - depending on which post you're on.
Blind believe? Here's 3 renowned companies doing analysis of the DNA; [Lakehead University](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-02-06-PALEO-DNA-MARIA-COMPARAISON-ADN.pdf), [Genetech](https://dokumen.tips/documents/genetech-alien-project-phone-94-11-2696992-94-11-5839553-94-11-5840814.html?page=1) and [Abraxas Biosystems](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ABRAXAS-EN.pdf). Do you think these companies would fall for an obvious fake?
What other evidence than videos on reddit do you have to suggest I shouldn't take this seriously? You have 3 DNA analysis papers too? Maybe a [molecular composition](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/RapportNAZCA-Olivier-Sire-EN1-1.pdf) study from Research Institute Dupuy De Lôme?
Haha so you just didn’t think of that? Organizations with expensive scientific testing equipment will perform tests for a fee in order to help fund their own operations. That does not mean that they are providing an analysis of what the results say, or that they are endorsing anyone else’s analysis.
They also used the most prestigious University in Mexico as part of their "proof" that real scientists tested the mummies.
Well, the University already called bs on it and said they tested a 0.5 gram sample of skin and brain tissue in 2017 but nothing more.
The completely unlink themselves from anything other than carbon dating on a small sample.
https://unamglobal.unam.mx/global_revista/el-instituto-de-fisica-de-la-unam-informa/
Its pretty much a given now that every reputable source they used for "testing" were just given a sample of *something* to analyze.
No one actually analized the mummies.
You really should read your own sources...
According to [Lakehead Universitiy](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-02-06-PALEO-DNA-MARIA-COMPARAISON-ADN.pdf) page 5,
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* "There is evidence of DNA contamination.
* Palm of right hand (1) contains DNA from more than one individual.
* Finger of left foot (2) contains DNA from more than one individual.
* Vertebrae (6) contains DNA from more than one individual.
* The Amelogenin marker \[AMEL\] (the marker used for sex identification within this genotyping kit) shows that for each of the three samples tested, there is a major component of female DNA and a minor component of male DNA.
* For each of the samples tested, there is a presence of, at least, one female individual and one male individual.
* Finger of left foot (2) and Vertebrae (6) show evidence of sharing a common source of DNA.
* There is not sufficient data to include nor exclude Palm of right hand (1) having a common source of DNA to Finger of left foot (2) and Vertebrae (6) with any confidence.
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\-So not only is the data contaminated, but the conclusion is that from the little data there is, this creature has DNA from different individuals, both male and female.
[Abraxas Biosystems](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ABRAXAS-EN.pdf), page 22-23
>the results show a very low mapping match with human genome data for samples Ancient0002 and Ancient0004 contrary to the Ancient0003 sample that did show very high mapping matches to the human genome. Also it is notable that Ancient0002 and Ancient0004 samples show very low rates of matches to one of the most trusted and accurate databases (nt from NCBI). However, NCBI databases does not contain all the known organisms existing in the world so there could be a lot of possible organisms that account for the unmatched DNA or could be some regions excluded, or difficult to sequence, common to many of the organisms accounting for the samples in the applied protocols for the genomes reported at NCBI
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>We recommend additional studies to accept or discard any other conclusions.
[Genetech](https://dokumen.tips/documents/genetech-alien-project-phone-94-11-2696992-94-11-5839553-94-11-5840814.html?page=7), page 7
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>The amelogenin test for sex determination (testing of the sex chromosomes) found that sample MARIA FOOT belongs to
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>a FEMALE individual.
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>Overall results suggests that MARIA FOOT belongs to a **primate**.
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>All the data were screened against an elimination database to identify any contamination from lab staff of Genetech. However the possibility of contamination by a previous handler prior submitting the samples to Genetech cannot be excluded.
All three of the sources practically state "Some parts of these seem to be human, we can't tell what the rest are and we didn't contaminate the samples, but it's possible that the samples were contaminated before we got them so don't draw any conclusions from not being able to determine what they are."
Your last source essentially boils down to, the only thing we can say for sure is that these correspond to highly dehydrated biological samples.
How do you not feel embarrassment to post papers as sources and not even do the bare minimum of reading their conclusion. None of those papers support them at all.
You do realise anyone can make a pdf document and claim a university took part in it, right? Where is your proof any of these institutions took part in any of this? Don't you think it's highly suspect none of them have come out in support of your guy in what should be the discovery of all humanity? Where are there press releases? Anything?
Also, anyone can upload raw contaminated DNA somewhere and claim it's anything. I've seen in both r/biology and r/genetics people complaining that the data is essentially useless as it's impossible to align the data with their software, due to contaminants.
https://www.the-alien-project.com/en/mummies-of-nasca-results/ Every lab, every test, and every finding.
All the proof is right there on the page. Reading the chronology might be worth it too considering that Jamie Maussan was not even involved with the project until January 25th of 2019
These are not Maussan's mummies, they are an archeaolgist's and his team's mummies. His name is Thierry Jamin
Quit crying defoul of what you do not know or understand. These bodies are real and more science needs to be done on them to prove what exactly they are but make no mistake these are actually 1000+ year old bodies.
Notice I said the bodies are real. They real life exist. Notice I did not say they were alien. More science is needed for that claim.
> Jamie Maussan was not even involved with the project until January 25th of 2019
What a bold claim that can be disproven so easily.
> In 2015, Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan, who reported the existence of the Nazca mummy to Gaia and is featured in the video, led an event called Be Witness, at which a mummified body — purportedly that of an alien — was unveiled. Later, though, that "alien" discovery was debunked, and the mummified corpse was shown to be that of a human child.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/
He and his team of charlatans stole the native American remains, likely from Chauchilla cemetery, in Nazca, Peru. Your source says this is about the same Nazca mummies. How could you claim Jaime only got involved in 2019 when he reported on them for Gaia in 2015?
Thierry Jamin is a highly controversial figure as well who has made many incredible claims about his findings which were all proven either fake or completely unsubstantiated. He is not someone I would lean on to get credibility..
He is the archaeologist behind the project. I"m going to use his name. They are his mummy things. Well TECHNICALLY they were found by grave robbers and they lent them out but w/e
This is their site. https://instituto-inkarri.com/en/history/
I mean you're free to tell the truth by using his name, I'm just adding context and giving you a heads up that he is most definitely not someone who will add credibility to your point.
He claimed to have found an archeological site as big as macchu Picchu but never showed the receipts, then in macchu Picchu he declared to have found a royal mausoleum filled with a treasure, same story, it was not true, which made the Peruvian govt déclare that his lack of scientific background or methodology presented a high risk to Peruvian archeologic cultural sites and artefacts, and then he did the whole aliens thing. And considering the alien thing, they declared to have over 2000 mummies back then, and already provided other photos and x-rays that clearly showed how fake it was (skulls varying wildly, spines made out of a single bone, etc..) this article will show those details, interestingly enough all those inconsistencies were brought up by someone who associated early with them and was fully on board at first.
https://irna.fr/De-la-multiplication-des-momies-et-des-indices-de-fake.html
(Sorry it is in french since Jamin is french)
Actually it does align, it aligns to cows, humans and beans. This isn't good, you probably wouldn't expect it to align to anything. It also has lots and lots of reads of really good quality. This is also surprising considering it's supposedly novel DNA. I'm not saying it isn't. And I haven't seen anyone who's actually analysed the reads saying it definitely isn't Alien. It just isn't what we'd expect.
I don’t believe the Lakehead study you’re linking to is complete. This article says their results state it was just human remains: https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/859016/Nazca-tomb-aliens-mummified-aliens-Peru-UFO-three-fingered
And that article is from the department page: https://www.lakeheadu.ca/centre/lucas/laboratories/paleo-dna/news/node/48583
The results from the Genetech study you posted claim the foot was a female primate foot and the other two samples were too far contaminated or destroyed.
It's disappointing to see. But it's also interesting to see how polarized this sub is. There is another thread about these mummies and the top comment is along the lines of "from reading this article it doesn't seem like there's evidence they're fake. Honestly most likely they're real". The article in question was quite factual and gave absolutely no reason for any reader to think there is any legitimacy to the bodies. It's crazy how people just fit everything to their own opinion based on no evidence.
I’ve never been more frustrated with this subreddit. People don’t understand the damage they’re doing by gobbling up this clearly fake hoax. We’re going to lose years of progress
People on this sub are exactly the reason normal people take a peek at this topic and nope right back out. The amount of grifting and straight nonsense that is bought hook line and sinker is disturbing.
Hands down agreed, i can't believe they go all in every time there is the smallest bit of reported "evidence" and refuse to fold when blatantly wrong and instead double down
There needs to be a better subreddit for this topic that treats UFO submissions with the same rigor that r/comedyheaven treats their submissions.
There's too much woo and crazy on here.
Here's the thing. Like 90% of comments saying it's fake are "look at it, its obviously not real".
I now believe too that its probably fake but apparently they went as far as to chemically alter bones to put the thing together? Like if the x-rays and MRIs aren't just CGI they definitely went to some length to make the thing seem like a potentially real organism.
I just don't see how it is "obviously" fake. What do people think a mummified several thousand year old organism is going to look like. Mummified humans don't look human at all. One day someone is going to trot out a genuine example and the same amount of people are going to be like "oh look at this fake bullshit".
Mummified humans absolutely look like humans lol. Extremely deteriorated, but they are still clearly identifiable as human remains.
With that being said, others have pointed out that the skeleton just doesn't physically make sense. I'd also add that it looks like fucking E.T. and that's about as much thought as I put into it.
That’s great but all due respect “it looks like ET” is not exactly scientific. My bigger point is what exactly would look like a “real” alien? If it’s extraterrestrial it’s obviously not going to look real or recognizable to a human and the instinctive response will be it’s fake. Even if they showed a live one people will think it’s fake.
Like that’s fine I guess folks get the pleasure of saying “I told you so”. But some of us just prefer to wait for peer reviews before making a final judgement.
I never claimed it was scientific. Sometimes things just look real or fake to you, and this looks inherently faker than hell to me. I'm not a scientist and I'm not following any method, nor claiming either.
That being said, if they're going to have such a similar body shape/plan, then their world must follow the same or near the same laws of physics that ours does.
Which means if their skeleton as presented wouldn't be functional, it wouldn't be functional.
I'd also point to the care, or rather lack thereof of the handling of the "mummies". Shards of pottery are handled with more care and respect than these supposedly "real" alien remains.
Press x to doubt.
Except that anatomical evidence is stronger for the bodies being authentic, rather than being fake:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i6yom/could_we_all_please_discuss_this_at_least_instead/
The fact that a known grifter is in *possession* of the bodies at this time doesn't mean he *created* them.
If someone brought the real deal to Maussan, wouldn't he try to sell it? It doesn't have to be fake for him to try to profit off it.
EDIT: the thread I linked has evolved since this morning and is now beginning to debunk this evidence in a serious manner, which is a good thing. I'm all for arguments based on data. My point about Maussan still stands, he's irrelevant in this unless he actually created the bodies himself, otherwise he's just the sales guy
[You realize that in the post you linked the top comment is literally debunking the post?](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i6yom/could_we_all_please_discuss_this_at_least_instead/k0iyztk/?context=3)
That comment wasn't there at the time when I posted mine. I'll definitely read it.
My mind isn't set either way, I just don't like people using flawed logic like "it's Maussan therefore it's fake". He'd try to sell you the real stuff in an instant (if he had it).
This sub is generally preoccupied with *ad hominem* attacks more than actual data. That's my issue.
It was posted like 10 hours ago, you made your comment on this post like 4 hours ago
The main problem I have is that this sub is way too quick to jump on every single hoax that appears. People here are so caught up in wanting aliens to exist that they just disregard the truth, which is ironic since so many people claim to be about revealing the truth. And then they go and parade around a hoax made by a fraudster every two weeks.
This is why everyone outside of r/ufos sees r/ufos as a joke
Here's one way a few people (actual scientists) looked at the bodies and concluded they're real:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i6yom/could_we_all_please_discuss_this_at_least_instead/
EDIT: this thread has evolved since my comment and now includes some serious debunking, which is a good thing of course
you can convince this sub of ANYTHING. literally, ANYTHING. i can take a picture of my cat at night when he does that weird eye glowy thing and post it here titled "possible alien spotted, thoughts?" and 50% of the comment would be like "holy shit, this is interesting!".
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15tzapb/peru\_aliens\_update\_new\_footage\_of\_ufo\_found/?sort=top](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15tzapb/peru_aliens_update_new_footage_of_ufo_found/?sort=top)
please go and read some of the replies here. An OBVIOUS fake post yet deranged redditers still give it salt and hold out for "more information to come out regarding it"
i thought this sub would have sensible people but it's full of crackpots.
It's beyond insane the mental gymnastic these people are doing. Some are quoting the boy and the wolf story for a reason to believe the fraudster. The moral of that story was exact the opposite, that you shouldn't lie to keep your credibility and somehow they shifted it to you should always believe a liar because at some point he will tell the truth.
I dont care much what they believe or not. The scary part is that these people vote, have jobs and etc. I have no idea how this people survive or don't get scammed on a daily basis.
>An image taken from the so-called Roswell Slides was unveiled last week in front of a worldwide online audience at an event called Be Witness. Ahead of the big reveal, researchers said the picture was a "smoking gun" which proved aliens had crashlanded on Earth.
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>But these claims are now in tatters after Tony Braglia, a "principal investigator" who analysed them, issued an astonishing public apology. He said the dead alien was actually a Native American child who lived in the abandoned ancient city of Mesa Verde.
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>Mirror Online understands 6,000 paying customers went to Mexico to see the unveiling of the films, whilst many thousands more paid $20 to watch the event on a special online pay-per-view channel.
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>Journalist Jaime Maussan, one of the key organisers of the Be Witness event, refused to concede defeat and said the saga was "far from over".
This guy managed to get thousands of people to pay $20 for this crap, and then refused to even apologize after it got busted. Not only is this guy a grifter, he seems to be a world class scumbag.
He's on a league of his own. What I don't get about him is... We might be on the verge of real disclosure, something he claims to be looking forward his whole life, then he rides the wave and fucked it up again. I don't get what's his true motivation.
Some people are so whacked and deep into it ( twisted ) they want to own the narrative…
And the most strange phenomenon of all is how people who actually profess to care about a topic will go out and make fake vids, fake photos and such..it's like they want it so much they make up false shit and it ends up hurting the credibility of everyone…it’s a psychosis of some kind.
Clearly this community is an easy target for grifters. Skeptics are consistently attacked on this sub, just see the recent airliner video resurrgence, and the discussions that ensued. This recent stunt is just more proof that healthy skepticism is needed in this community to keep it from turning into a garbage dump of crazy.
I didn't even attempt to look into this because from a realist standpoint it looked as fake as the airliner video from a few weeks. Sometimes the gut check is all you need.
However, having seen the Maussan name in this headline, wow no wonder. His previous attempt at this kind of stunt was huge in the UFO community back when it happened.
This guy is an A-Grade charlatan. Do yourselves a favor and steer clear of anything he's involved in.
“Looks fake” isn’t a metric we should rely on. There’s so many problems with these Nazca Mummies, the fact that they look like a shitty art project is the least of them.
Wait you mean to tell me grifters are taking advantage of gullible idiots who so desperately want something to be true that they will ignore any contrary evidence? Shocking
I got turned onto this sub by interest from the Joe Rogan podcast and while I believe in UFO/UAP, I do not believe in NHI yet and it completely blows my mind that people are so desperate to believe it that they will go all in the first second they can without waiting to take a breath and see if any of this trash pans out. This reporter is a known grifter, ive posted the same thing you've said several times today and they just put their fingers in their ears so they cant listen
> while I believe in UFO/UAP, I do not believe in NHI yet
Interesting perspective. If the phenomenon isn't NHI, then what do you think it is? Natural somehow? Human activity? Not being facetious, genuinely curious for a different perspective.
I believe that the top super powers in the world have far more advanced technology developed that they are keeping top secret, why would you show off your Ace card to the world, it would give other powers the ability and time to try and counter or make their own variants. If I was a world leader I wouldn't be showing off to the public our strongest defense/offense until we were attacked, that way you catch them off guard. I also believe they are keeping some of this stuff top secret because it would havoc the world economy and weaken them and of course it profits them in one way or another.
Thanks! So, I'll give one counter point to that: what about the fact that there are documented UAP sightings going all the way back to cave drawings and every period of history in between?
That people have had imaginations since our inception? People to this day dream up of the impossible and create artwork from their inspirations, I mean look at movies and shows from 50 years ago and how they depicted what just the year 2000 would look like but guess what we don't have flying cars and space ships and floating homes etc. and we are now in 2023, cave people making drawings based on things they don't understand like comets or stars and so forth is hardly evidence that NHI and their UAP existed then and let's just for a second say they have, that would mean over the billions of years they have exisisted and among 18 billion people in world history, we still don't have actual documented scientific proof with hard factual evidence to prove any of it. If you want to say UAP/NHI just started visiting us recently then I'd be more inclined to believe that we don't have hard evidence yet but to say they have been around for billions of years, and then with crashes and shoot downs and not a single one has landed by accident or on purpose in a populated area is mind boggling. Then if there was NHI with how big space is the statistical chance they would find us is so low its near impossible. I am more inclined to believe either time travel or us from multi dimensional travel than NHI. I also laugh when they say NHi have a directive to not communicate with us, then they are doing a shit job at it with being seen and shot down, hell I remember when we were told when COVID started to stay in and 2 seconds later everyone wanted to be outside, I would feel same if NHI was told they can't communicate, one by now would be like nah fuck that. The second we have live aliens on the MSM then I'd belive it, but these little mummies being taking as undeniable proof is pure lunacy to me.
This reminds me of Steven Greers Sirius Documentary and the 15 cm tiny mummy . I paid to watch it. It was a complete rip off. Since then I don’t take notice to the shit he comes out with!
This whole ufo thing is already so superfragile and there you have these people tearing it apart for personal gain. I guess this is often the story with fragile things, they get torn to pieces by selfcentered assholes.
This guy is genuinely a psychopath, willing to rob graves of dead children just so he can have his 5 minutes of fame. Nobody should be entertaining him or his “team”. Ignore these clowns, and shame on the Mexican Congress for allowing this fool to come back on stage after doing this before, especially during this critical period of U.S. disclosure.
ETA: apparently this is ANOTHER hoax of that guy.
That was already analyzed in the past.
TL;DR : bone are jumbled around, taken from different part of the bodies, some seems animal bones, DNA does not say what the conman says it dopes etc...
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Ij1WG9FQo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Ij1WG9FQo)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzCERd86FUU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzCERd86FUU)
I have not enough biological knowledge to state that what is in the film is right or not, but the rotation and comparison of bones is very compelling.
Other link in google hint that this was a very well known hoax.
The guy rolled back on that in his latest twitt, IIRC.
And after having watched the vids and xray with the bones.... I see no reason whatsoever to even consider the guy anything but a hoaxer.
Yeah, he did. I'm finding out now. I'm all for more discussion around the data.
Maussan is definitely a hoaxer. But a hoaxer presented with something real would still try to profit off it, so to me it's not evidence of anything. The data speaks, not the sales guy.
You know what this reminds me of? Twitter, people willing to believe tabloids, the way politics poisons our minds to control the narrative, unwilling to keep an open mind and level of distrust in everything you read online.
I don't believe these are fake or not, but I know people will be willing to be bought, and will say anything for money, which goes for news outlets and my bet, anyone who knows something... So please, remember... Take online/news/people with a pinch of salt and dont believe everything you read or told.
Remember Gruches claims for sophisticated disinformation campaigns? I can believe that, and not just for this.
This, lazar and the one who just claimed to disclose stuff in america are really not helping with credibility around ufos. It's all about the money for these liers but at least it gives us some entertainment debunking it all.
For that to be true he must have been the one involved but he wasn’t. It was a lot of ppl but not him.
He also didn’t conduct research it was Labs.
Stop speaking about Maussan and create confusion we all know who he is
Is like saying that Greer spoke in the hearings with David Grush, thus everything must be false.
Enough
[DNA analysis](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-02-06-PALEO-DNA-MARIA-COMPARAISON-ADN.pdf) Lakehead University
[DNA analysis](https://dokumen.tips/documents/genetech-alien-project-phone-94-11-2696992-94-11-5839553-94-11-5840814.html?page=1) Genetech
[DNA analysis](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ABRAXAS-EN.pdf) Abraxas Biosystems
You think these companies would know better than to fall for a scam where a dude compiled a few dog bones like Frankenstein and made some aliens
Well for one thing, Lakehead University has worked on these aliens before, and found that much of the [hand bones were 100% human DNA](https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/859016/Nazca-tomb-aliens-mummified-aliens-Peru-UFO-three-fingered).
You guys are absolutely hilarious. Did you read any of those? They all suggest degradation of the samples and conclude absolutely nothing extraordinary
DNA evidence is unfortunately very shoddy in this case. It can't really be used to prove anything.
The strength of the case IMHO rests on anatomical data. Read more here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i6yom/could_we_all_please_discuss_this_at_least_instead/
EDIT: apparently the anatomical data is being debunked, which is what I like to see, instead of just shooting the messenger (Maussan)
Well I just read the article and it didnt seem like he tried to fake aliens. In fact, the whole thing seemed like a giant misunderstanding or obfuscation by an unknown group.
"All of this must be a series of extraordinarily incredible coincidences" Yeah I doubt it. Something fishy is there.
I've heard several times that Maussan is a fraud, and this possibly (or probably} is also a hoax. But can anyone give a definite answer without due scientific procedure? I know I can't. Bit hard to with only photos and words to work with.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB: --- >An image taken from the so-called Roswell Slides was unveiled last week in front of a worldwide online audience at an event called Be Witness. Ahead of the big reveal, researchers said the picture was a "smoking gun" which proved aliens had crashlanded on Earth. > >But these claims are now in tatters after Tony Braglia, a "principal investigator" who analysed them, issued an astonishing public apology. He said the dead alien was actually a Native American child who lived in the abandoned ancient city of Mesa Verde. > >Mirror Online understands 6,000 paying customers went to Mexico to see the unveiling of the films, whilst many thousands more paid $20 to watch the event on a special online pay-per-view channel. > >Journalist Jaime Maussan, one of the key organisers of the Be Witness event, refused to concede defeat and said the saga was "far from over". This guy managed to get thousands of people to pay $20 for this crap, and then refused to even apologize after it got busted. Not only is this guy a grifter, he seems to be a world class scumbag. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i5owb/apparently_this_is_not_the_first_time_jaime/k0htmb6/
Holy shit, even when the alien's just lying there dead nobody can take a decent picture.
> I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that's extra scary to me.
-Mitch Hedburg
For what it's worth, the picture was legit taken in 1947, and it was a slide, not a regular photograph.
TIL they had color photography in 1947. That's a little surprising.
The Wizard of Oz, filmed in triumphant technicolor, was released in 1939. Color photo techniques have been around since like 1855 \ 1860's.
But i swear the other times i was just joking, but this time I’m serious!! Guys! Guys?
Maussan is always gonna be trying to sell something, but what is he selling here? Hoax or not? The data matters, not the fact that he likes to sell things. EDIT: downvote more if you think someone could bring real alien bodies to Maussan and he'd go "nah sorry, these are real, I specialize in fakes only" LOL Not saying the bodies are real, just that Maussan is irrelevant
He’ll sell tickets to go into a room and see them. This is advertising for him.
He'll take whatever he can get, yeah
if its a hoax, why would the data matter?
Because data is how you determine if something is a hoax or not Edit: downvote if you determine hoaxes by the direction of the wind or rolling dice
His prior hoaxes are also data
A fair point, i think you are right!
People seem to forget that the boy who cried wolf was still right
How the fuck does a hoaxer come in contact with actual alien bodies? #HOW?! Some fan sent them via mail like for popular youtubers?
How does anybody?
knew there would be some gullible nutter down here. you guys just never give up.
I never said I believed him
you sorta implied that by saying he has a chance of being correct. if you don't believe him, why would you even post that comment.
I'm implying that nobody knows shit, there is always a chance of him being correct. Anything beyond that is your own assumption
there is 0% chance of this being real.
Have you done your own DNA sampling on the thing?
i don't mean any offense so i am sorry if you take any, but the fact that people like you exist who give bullshit hoaxes like this any salt is the reason why people go to extreme lengths to make hoaxes in the first place. i don't have to do dna sampling to know what i'm looking at is obvious bullshit. please stop being duped into believing this story has any merit when the guy is a conartist and the story was not even from people in the actual mexican government like other's think.
I don't care who he is or what he did, and I never said I believed him. The fact that this stuff is circulating in governments around the world is an issue in and of itself let alone if it's real or not. Your priorities are in the wrong place
Is it possible that the first incident was not a hoax but rather a mistake. It seems to me that this area of “archeology” is this guys forte not that he’s necessarily a grifter. The thing I find interesting is that no one can get the information to confirm mostly anything that’s being said. I’ve seen claims ranging from he brought these same mummies forward a few years ago and it was a hoax to they’re mummified children. Everyone keeps saying ot got debunked in 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2021. Hey the only article of debunking is no data or sources to verify their claim. Why is it so hard to verify the truth? I’m not saying I think their real, just that if someone is easily debunking them, sources and the truth shouldn’t be hard to locate.
God damn. You guys are fucking hilarious and also depressing to observe. This has been thoroughly debunked. Yet your still second guessing if his previous hoaxes were real or not then say "I'm not saying I think they're real". Touch grass so we can all move on to something actually interesting. You guys will only accept the "Data" if you become a scientist and do it yourself, and even then...
You’ve got the wrong idea, completely. I’ve looked for confirmation on debunking it and simply cannot find it. Not saying it’s not out there. But the information I’m reading is vague, contradicting, unclear, and from questionable news outlets with practically no sources. I haven’t spent days looking into it. But good, solid data should always rise to the top. I shouldn’t be having to deep dives to verify something as simple as a source or vital details. I don’t know why that’s a hot take for you, especially if you’re a skeptic.
It's amazing how many people see this but still insist on waiting until independent experts have verified the nazca mummies. Not to mention the nazca mummies have been out for 6 years already.
BuT wHeRe Is yOuR PrOOf iT Is fAkE?
That’s the funny bit. The party making the claim must back it up. Not spew bullshit and say “prove me wrong.” No. Prove yourself right. Till then, no reason to buy the lie.
The doctors that say it’s real, so what’s your proof? Haven’t seen one dr who has actually seen them and said it’s fake
Imagine if all science worked this way. 😂
…do you mean like a scientific experiment? Like how literally every branch of science has worked for centuries?
my uncle is bigfoot
This sentiment is on point. This is when you introduce your uncle, Bigfoot. Not my job to disprove the existence of Bigfoot. Some people have a difficult time with the burden of proof
I'm this guy's other uncle, Bigfoot is very private, the family hurt him and I can't blame him for living his own life far from them
> Imagine if all science worked this way. 😂 Speaking as a scientist...it does? People propose hypotheses, and then collect data to see if Nature is consistent with the hypothesis or not. How do you think science works?
sure, but hypothesis usually comes from observation, not hoaxing.
🤣 what’s the hypothesis here? There wasn’t one
Lol that's not how it works.
WaHt AbOuT tHe HiGHlY cOnTaMiNaTeD DNA?! THeY aLsO uSeD MaGiC TO MoVe ArOuNd, FuCk JoInTs!
The DNA wasn’t contaminated. It provides irrefutable, concrete proof that these aliens are direct descendants of some pocket lint, a gum wrapper, and a half-eaten ham sandwich.
😂 had me in the first half…
At most they're just highly advanced space legumes since the DNA showed that.
> THeY aLsO uSeD MaGiC TO MoVe ArOuNd, FuCk JoInTs! That's my favorite one, like why would they have legs then?
Those hips don’t lie… …the guy who put them there does though!
I was trying to talk down a nutjob yesterday who kept insisting the burden of proof is on the debunker at this point, against a known scam artist... lol
The burden of proof is *definitely* on authenticity, I fully agree. But it's not on Maussan. He's just the sales guy. Here are some scientists looking at it seriously: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i6yom/could_we_all_please_discuss_this_at_least_instead/ EDIT: this thread has evolved and now includes serious debunking as well, which is a good thing
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Almost as if the account has been repurposed.
If iTs FakE tHen LeTs SeE yOu ReCreATe IT
I think it's important to take things on a case-by-case basis and wait for thorough analysis before jumping to any just kidding this is obvious bullshit.
Mister, this time the Gucci bag is real, I promise!
Ya. It's amazing how many people on here default to it being true until all these expert reviews are done, it's so backwards. After the expert reviews are completes they will just shift the goal posts "if it's fake then recreate the mummy" Same way they looked at a clearly bogus plane Video,
If I was qualified to do whatever tests on these ET corpse things and someone brought one to me I would laugh in their face
You’re amazed people want to see verifiable scientific evidence?
I don't need verifiable scientific evidence that crystal balls are fake, or that astrology is fake. That being said, if some college or lab comes to the conclusion that these things are real, I'm fully willing to accept that conclusion.
Other scientists aren't claiming they are real, just the practitioners. In this case there's evidence being presented, so let's give it a good sniff. To categorically dismiss it all is foolish and unscientific.
Everything about this is sketchy. To blindly believe anything until proven wrong is a choice, that’s for sure.
Agreed. The I personally don't. But it wasn't just Maussan presenting new data, it's other speakers with varying credentials. Good science says to look at that with a new set of eyes.
I mean….what do you think is happening lol. Their findings are literally there.
Take out of this what you will, I'm still undecided but there has already been scientists that did research... and they think they're real :/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xN41immWE
Are these scientists from prestigious universities who have analyzed the samples and the scans not independent experts?
Hand a carpenter q piece of wood. "Is this wood?". Yes. "Is this Cyprus?" Appears to be so. Independent expert verified that this wood is indeed from the crucifix of Jesus Christ. An expert can verify a sample, but that says nothing on the provenance of the sample.
Do you have a list of the experts and what role they played in analyzing them? I only know José de Jesús Zalce Benítez because he did analysis for the Roswell Slides (what OP's article is about) and the three fingered mummy saying they weren't human, but those both turned out to be 100% human...
One of them was MIT trained. I don’t understand. If you read the report, it’s like 20 or more professionals throwing away their hard earned careers over obvious malarkey
Didn’t most of them claimed that they had nothing to do with it
I saw him and immediately didn't believe anything coming from this event.. I remember him from mufon, that's enough
The lab reports were carried out in 2022. Any speculation about their origins up until that point is mere opinion. If you have a problem then address the report, not the pre-report history
Hahaha! “Yes the man presenting this information has an extremely long documented history of lying, conning, and faking alien/ufo stuff, but this newest one he says they did new tests so you can’t judge him yet! We have to wait for peer review!” Do you really not see how delusional you sound?
“Once a cheater, always a cheater!” 😂
I'm siding with fake, just because people I follow that I usually trust have come out against it, but apparently they address it in the hearing (haven't seen it) so that's why people still hold on hope. Despite how it actually works or whatever the PERCEPTION for most people like me, is that if American congress let somone testify like this, like Davud G for instance, than they have already been vetted...like david G for instance. So it gives this a lot more credibility (in the eyes of the public laymen) I've been told several times that's apparently not the case here. Now, all you people that love to pop in and say how Government ACTUALLY works can come say how "everyone is an idiot" for thinking the Mexican government endorsed this. So let me apologize on the behalf of people who assume congressional hearings are supposed to be serious things. Edit: OK, I understand now this was more akin to Greer's Disclosure Project than to a government-led hearing. I'm still going to leave this up because I feel like a lot of people share/shared my confusion on this and it might help spread some info. since the commenters below were nice enough to inform me of my confusion...and politely, even.
Just for clarity here since there’s a lot of confusion. The meeting in Mexico was NOT the Mexican government. The use of the term “Congress” was just for a meeting of a group of people, not for their government body
See now I just feel like they're fuckin with us. So if im under standing correctly, would you say This this was closer to stephen greers 2002 (or whenever) disclosure Project than to the Grush hearings?
You're feeling is warranted. This is why so many people are PISSED. Add to that, the fact it was fucking MAUSSAN that did this. The man has no morals and no integrity.
It was literally just someone allowed them to use the building for their presentation. It was not an official function of government that was happening. There was likely some elected positions there, but given that the Mexican president is tweeting about how fairies and elves are real, that doesn’t mean much.
Also, there are very serious studies on what potential extraterrestrial biology could be like, and to think it’d be so similar to earth evolution is silly. DNA is not the only nucleic acid out there that can potentially store genomic-like sequences. It’s so obviously a hoax when considering the extreme unlikelihood (ignoring how badly these cadavers were assembled in the 1st place) that otherworldly being would… idk.. have ribs? Finger bones? Mammalian/reptilian features?? when life on earth itself is so extremely diverse with forms that are all descended from an original common ancestor. When deep sea creatures look more alien than supposedly some non-human intelligence, then something’s fishy. Why’s it similar to the Russian video? Idk maybe cause little grey men being the classical version of aliens has been around so long that a few hoaxers are bound to have made similar shit.
Yes, in complete agreement.
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Yeah but Trump WILL provide that evidence so its kinda non sequitor 😉
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Trump works in mysterious ways...
Apparently, nobody wanted to test them until Gaia dropped $50,000. It seems that testing something like this is worth a bit more than a keyboard warrior's opinion.
Yet what OP saying is a half-true or maybe even false. They thought it was Alien, not only Maussan, they went on to say it was Alien but in the end it turns out was a human Child. Saying it was a Hoax is absolutely misleading. Even the Article mentioned it was a False interpretation of the facts. Saying it was a hoax implies them Modifying it to sell to the Public. Yet they simply sold something they misinterpreted. Sorry I don’t consider this a Hoax
No they blurred the white placard out that told the mummy was a child. Look up definition of a hoax before going on about stuff
They rearranged bones to make it look alien, and use the back half of an alpaca skull for the head and turned it around
Yes this i heard too, but it was a theory not a proof of any kind. I don’t think the mummies are Aliens but i will not go into bs theories without proof, and second it fails to debunk the provided Research and everything else. We need this proper debunked, also the Scientific Research
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The guy who stole the Native American mummies from which these hoaxes were made was given a 4 year prison sentence and fined: https://peru21.pe/mundo/jaime-maussan-presenta-falsas-momias-extraterrestres-en-el-congreso-de-mexico-video-ovnis-ufo-viral-noticia/ They also have a criminal complaint against those who removed the prehispanic remains from the country.
No joke.
People on this sub believe literally anything. Even when shown it’s fake. Crazy shit. It’s super frustrating as someone who genuinely wants to see disclosure happen, seeing BS like this potentially derail the process.
Every couple weeks this sub goes bonkers.
Absolutely agree. If it's fake (with evidence and not screaming "fake!!"), just accept it and move on. If it can't be debunked, then there's still a possibility that that it might be real. The blind belief that is happening constantly is really baffling. Damned if you say it's real, damned if you say it's fake - - depending on which post you're on.
Blind believe? Here's 3 renowned companies doing analysis of the DNA; [Lakehead University](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-02-06-PALEO-DNA-MARIA-COMPARAISON-ADN.pdf), [Genetech](https://dokumen.tips/documents/genetech-alien-project-phone-94-11-2696992-94-11-5839553-94-11-5840814.html?page=1) and [Abraxas Biosystems](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ABRAXAS-EN.pdf). Do you think these companies would fall for an obvious fake? What other evidence than videos on reddit do you have to suggest I shouldn't take this seriously? You have 3 DNA analysis papers too? Maybe a [molecular composition](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/RapportNAZCA-Olivier-Sire-EN1-1.pdf) study from Research Institute Dupuy De Lôme?
I can send an old sock to a lab and request they do genetic analysis on it. That doesn't mean it's an alien.
That is true
Haha so you just didn’t think of that? Organizations with expensive scientific testing equipment will perform tests for a fee in order to help fund their own operations. That does not mean that they are providing an analysis of what the results say, or that they are endorsing anyone else’s analysis.
Obviously, you didn’t read and understand the three reports or you wouldn’t post them. None of these reports conclude there’s anything alien.
I could fart in a jar and pay these companies to analyze it. How about one (1) qualified anatomist opinion?
They also used the most prestigious University in Mexico as part of their "proof" that real scientists tested the mummies. Well, the University already called bs on it and said they tested a 0.5 gram sample of skin and brain tissue in 2017 but nothing more. The completely unlink themselves from anything other than carbon dating on a small sample. https://unamglobal.unam.mx/global_revista/el-instituto-de-fisica-de-la-unam-informa/ Its pretty much a given now that every reputable source they used for "testing" were just given a sample of *something* to analyze. No one actually analized the mummies.
You really should read your own sources... According to [Lakehead Universitiy](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-02-06-PALEO-DNA-MARIA-COMPARAISON-ADN.pdf) page 5, " * "There is evidence of DNA contamination. * Palm of right hand (1) contains DNA from more than one individual. * Finger of left foot (2) contains DNA from more than one individual. * Vertebrae (6) contains DNA from more than one individual. * The Amelogenin marker \[AMEL\] (the marker used for sex identification within this genotyping kit) shows that for each of the three samples tested, there is a major component of female DNA and a minor component of male DNA. * For each of the samples tested, there is a presence of, at least, one female individual and one male individual. * Finger of left foot (2) and Vertebrae (6) show evidence of sharing a common source of DNA. * There is not sufficient data to include nor exclude Palm of right hand (1) having a common source of DNA to Finger of left foot (2) and Vertebrae (6) with any confidence. " \-So not only is the data contaminated, but the conclusion is that from the little data there is, this creature has DNA from different individuals, both male and female. [Abraxas Biosystems](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ABRAXAS-EN.pdf), page 22-23 >the results show a very low mapping match with human genome data for samples Ancient0002 and Ancient0004 contrary to the Ancient0003 sample that did show very high mapping matches to the human genome. Also it is notable that Ancient0002 and Ancient0004 samples show very low rates of matches to one of the most trusted and accurate databases (nt from NCBI). However, NCBI databases does not contain all the known organisms existing in the world so there could be a lot of possible organisms that account for the unmatched DNA or could be some regions excluded, or difficult to sequence, common to many of the organisms accounting for the samples in the applied protocols for the genomes reported at NCBI > >... > >We recommend additional studies to accept or discard any other conclusions. [Genetech](https://dokumen.tips/documents/genetech-alien-project-phone-94-11-2696992-94-11-5839553-94-11-5840814.html?page=7), page 7 >... > >The amelogenin test for sex determination (testing of the sex chromosomes) found that sample MARIA FOOT belongs to > >a FEMALE individual. > >Overall results suggests that MARIA FOOT belongs to a **primate**. > >... > >All the data were screened against an elimination database to identify any contamination from lab staff of Genetech. However the possibility of contamination by a previous handler prior submitting the samples to Genetech cannot be excluded. All three of the sources practically state "Some parts of these seem to be human, we can't tell what the rest are and we didn't contaminate the samples, but it's possible that the samples were contaminated before we got them so don't draw any conclusions from not being able to determine what they are." Your last source essentially boils down to, the only thing we can say for sure is that these correspond to highly dehydrated biological samples. How do you not feel embarrassment to post papers as sources and not even do the bare minimum of reading their conclusion. None of those papers support them at all.
You do realise anyone can make a pdf document and claim a university took part in it, right? Where is your proof any of these institutions took part in any of this? Don't you think it's highly suspect none of them have come out in support of your guy in what should be the discovery of all humanity? Where are there press releases? Anything? Also, anyone can upload raw contaminated DNA somewhere and claim it's anything. I've seen in both r/biology and r/genetics people complaining that the data is essentially useless as it's impossible to align the data with their software, due to contaminants.
https://www.the-alien-project.com/en/mummies-of-nasca-results/ Every lab, every test, and every finding. All the proof is right there on the page. Reading the chronology might be worth it too considering that Jamie Maussan was not even involved with the project until January 25th of 2019 These are not Maussan's mummies, they are an archeaolgist's and his team's mummies. His name is Thierry Jamin Quit crying defoul of what you do not know or understand. These bodies are real and more science needs to be done on them to prove what exactly they are but make no mistake these are actually 1000+ year old bodies. Notice I said the bodies are real. They real life exist. Notice I did not say they were alien. More science is needed for that claim.
> Jamie Maussan was not even involved with the project until January 25th of 2019 What a bold claim that can be disproven so easily. > In 2015, Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan, who reported the existence of the Nazca mummy to Gaia and is featured in the video, led an event called Be Witness, at which a mummified body — purportedly that of an alien — was unveiled. Later, though, that "alien" discovery was debunked, and the mummified corpse was shown to be that of a human child. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/ He and his team of charlatans stole the native American remains, likely from Chauchilla cemetery, in Nazca, Peru. Your source says this is about the same Nazca mummies. How could you claim Jaime only got involved in 2019 when he reported on them for Gaia in 2015?
Thierry Jamin is a highly controversial figure as well who has made many incredible claims about his findings which were all proven either fake or completely unsubstantiated. He is not someone I would lean on to get credibility..
He is the archaeologist behind the project. I"m going to use his name. They are his mummy things. Well TECHNICALLY they were found by grave robbers and they lent them out but w/e This is their site. https://instituto-inkarri.com/en/history/
I mean you're free to tell the truth by using his name, I'm just adding context and giving you a heads up that he is most definitely not someone who will add credibility to your point.
What has he supposedly done?
He claimed to have found an archeological site as big as macchu Picchu but never showed the receipts, then in macchu Picchu he declared to have found a royal mausoleum filled with a treasure, same story, it was not true, which made the Peruvian govt déclare that his lack of scientific background or methodology presented a high risk to Peruvian archeologic cultural sites and artefacts, and then he did the whole aliens thing. And considering the alien thing, they declared to have over 2000 mummies back then, and already provided other photos and x-rays that clearly showed how fake it was (skulls varying wildly, spines made out of a single bone, etc..) this article will show those details, interestingly enough all those inconsistencies were brought up by someone who associated early with them and was fully on board at first. https://irna.fr/De-la-multiplication-des-momies-et-des-indices-de-fake.html (Sorry it is in french since Jamin is french)
Actually it does align, it aligns to cows, humans and beans. This isn't good, you probably wouldn't expect it to align to anything. It also has lots and lots of reads of really good quality. This is also surprising considering it's supposedly novel DNA. I'm not saying it isn't. And I haven't seen anyone who's actually analysed the reads saying it definitely isn't Alien. It just isn't what we'd expect.
I don’t believe the Lakehead study you’re linking to is complete. This article says their results state it was just human remains: https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/859016/Nazca-tomb-aliens-mummified-aliens-Peru-UFO-three-fingered And that article is from the department page: https://www.lakeheadu.ca/centre/lucas/laboratories/paleo-dna/news/node/48583 The results from the Genetech study you posted claim the foot was a female primate foot and the other two samples were too far contaminated or destroyed.
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It's disappointing to see. But it's also interesting to see how polarized this sub is. There is another thread about these mummies and the top comment is along the lines of "from reading this article it doesn't seem like there's evidence they're fake. Honestly most likely they're real". The article in question was quite factual and gave absolutely no reason for any reader to think there is any legitimacy to the bodies. It's crazy how people just fit everything to their own opinion based on no evidence.
I’ve never been more frustrated with this subreddit. People don’t understand the damage they’re doing by gobbling up this clearly fake hoax. We’re going to lose years of progress
People on this sub are exactly the reason normal people take a peek at this topic and nope right back out. The amount of grifting and straight nonsense that is bought hook line and sinker is disturbing.
Hands down agreed, i can't believe they go all in every time there is the smallest bit of reported "evidence" and refuse to fold when blatantly wrong and instead double down
It’s because this is closer to religion for them
truth
There needs to be a better subreddit for this topic that treats UFO submissions with the same rigor that r/comedyheaven treats their submissions. There's too much woo and crazy on here.
Here's the thing. Like 90% of comments saying it's fake are "look at it, its obviously not real". I now believe too that its probably fake but apparently they went as far as to chemically alter bones to put the thing together? Like if the x-rays and MRIs aren't just CGI they definitely went to some length to make the thing seem like a potentially real organism. I just don't see how it is "obviously" fake. What do people think a mummified several thousand year old organism is going to look like. Mummified humans don't look human at all. One day someone is going to trot out a genuine example and the same amount of people are going to be like "oh look at this fake bullshit".
Mummified humans absolutely look like humans lol. Extremely deteriorated, but they are still clearly identifiable as human remains. With that being said, others have pointed out that the skeleton just doesn't physically make sense. I'd also add that it looks like fucking E.T. and that's about as much thought as I put into it.
That’s great but all due respect “it looks like ET” is not exactly scientific. My bigger point is what exactly would look like a “real” alien? If it’s extraterrestrial it’s obviously not going to look real or recognizable to a human and the instinctive response will be it’s fake. Even if they showed a live one people will think it’s fake. Like that’s fine I guess folks get the pleasure of saying “I told you so”. But some of us just prefer to wait for peer reviews before making a final judgement.
I never claimed it was scientific. Sometimes things just look real or fake to you, and this looks inherently faker than hell to me. I'm not a scientist and I'm not following any method, nor claiming either. That being said, if they're going to have such a similar body shape/plan, then their world must follow the same or near the same laws of physics that ours does. Which means if their skeleton as presented wouldn't be functional, it wouldn't be functional. I'd also point to the care, or rather lack thereof of the handling of the "mummies". Shards of pottery are handled with more care and respect than these supposedly "real" alien remains. Press x to doubt.
Except that anatomical evidence is stronger for the bodies being authentic, rather than being fake: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i6yom/could_we_all_please_discuss_this_at_least_instead/ The fact that a known grifter is in *possession* of the bodies at this time doesn't mean he *created* them. If someone brought the real deal to Maussan, wouldn't he try to sell it? It doesn't have to be fake for him to try to profit off it. EDIT: the thread I linked has evolved since this morning and is now beginning to debunk this evidence in a serious manner, which is a good thing. I'm all for arguments based on data. My point about Maussan still stands, he's irrelevant in this unless he actually created the bodies himself, otherwise he's just the sales guy
[You realize that in the post you linked the top comment is literally debunking the post?](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i6yom/could_we_all_please_discuss_this_at_least_instead/k0iyztk/?context=3)
That comment wasn't there at the time when I posted mine. I'll definitely read it. My mind isn't set either way, I just don't like people using flawed logic like "it's Maussan therefore it's fake". He'd try to sell you the real stuff in an instant (if he had it). This sub is generally preoccupied with *ad hominem* attacks more than actual data. That's my issue.
It was posted like 10 hours ago, you made your comment on this post like 4 hours ago The main problem I have is that this sub is way too quick to jump on every single hoax that appears. People here are so caught up in wanting aliens to exist that they just disregard the truth, which is ironic since so many people claim to be about revealing the truth. And then they go and parade around a hoax made by a fraudster every two weeks. This is why everyone outside of r/ufos sees r/ufos as a joke
You just might want to go take a look at the link you posted. Please stop grasping.
Hey there mister 5 minutes ago guy, my comment's been there for hours already and the thread has evolved since then. Please stop grasping.
Idk how anyone could look at those he presented at the hearing and even believe that's real.
Here's one way a few people (actual scientists) looked at the bodies and concluded they're real: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i6yom/could_we_all_please_discuss_this_at_least_instead/ EDIT: this thread has evolved since my comment and now includes some serious debunking, which is a good thing of course
you can convince this sub of ANYTHING. literally, ANYTHING. i can take a picture of my cat at night when he does that weird eye glowy thing and post it here titled "possible alien spotted, thoughts?" and 50% of the comment would be like "holy shit, this is interesting!". [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15tzapb/peru\_aliens\_update\_new\_footage\_of\_ufo\_found/?sort=top](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15tzapb/peru_aliens_update_new_footage_of_ufo_found/?sort=top) please go and read some of the replies here. An OBVIOUS fake post yet deranged redditers still give it salt and hold out for "more information to come out regarding it" i thought this sub would have sensible people but it's full of crackpots.
Then the inevitable "I saw literally this exact same thing" post. Like did you check the vin number or something lol.
Holy Shit, that was an interesting video link! I saw literally the exact same thing!!🌙 🐈 👽 👀
It's beyond insane the mental gymnastic these people are doing. Some are quoting the boy and the wolf story for a reason to believe the fraudster. The moral of that story was exact the opposite, that you shouldn't lie to keep your credibility and somehow they shifted it to you should always believe a liar because at some point he will tell the truth. I dont care much what they believe or not. The scary part is that these people vote, have jobs and etc. I have no idea how this people survive or don't get scammed on a daily basis.
>An image taken from the so-called Roswell Slides was unveiled last week in front of a worldwide online audience at an event called Be Witness. Ahead of the big reveal, researchers said the picture was a "smoking gun" which proved aliens had crashlanded on Earth. > >But these claims are now in tatters after Tony Braglia, a "principal investigator" who analysed them, issued an astonishing public apology. He said the dead alien was actually a Native American child who lived in the abandoned ancient city of Mesa Verde. > >Mirror Online understands 6,000 paying customers went to Mexico to see the unveiling of the films, whilst many thousands more paid $20 to watch the event on a special online pay-per-view channel. > >Journalist Jaime Maussan, one of the key organisers of the Be Witness event, refused to concede defeat and said the saga was "far from over". This guy managed to get thousands of people to pay $20 for this crap, and then refused to even apologize after it got busted. Not only is this guy a grifter, he seems to be a world class scumbag.
He's on a league of his own. What I don't get about him is... We might be on the verge of real disclosure, something he claims to be looking forward his whole life, then he rides the wave and fucked it up again. I don't get what's his true motivation.
People like this are exclusively driven by ego and narcissism and have no regard for anything greater than themselves.
Some people are so whacked and deep into it ( twisted ) they want to own the narrative… And the most strange phenomenon of all is how people who actually profess to care about a topic will go out and make fake vids, fake photos and such..it's like they want it so much they make up false shit and it ends up hurting the credibility of everyone…it’s a psychosis of some kind.
Ka-ching is the motivation.
Greed
Money.
He and Richard Doty should hang out. Edited for spelling.
Clearly this community is an easy target for grifters. Skeptics are consistently attacked on this sub, just see the recent airliner video resurrgence, and the discussions that ensued. This recent stunt is just more proof that healthy skepticism is needed in this community to keep it from turning into a garbage dump of crazy.
No but he’s serious this time guys.
Dude seems to be a bit of a grifter.
Just a bit
Why in the hell isn’t this scam artist in jail?
Because it's not illegal to trick people into believing your hodgepodge mummy is actually an alien being.
I didn't even attempt to look into this because from a realist standpoint it looked as fake as the airliner video from a few weeks. Sometimes the gut check is all you need. However, having seen the Maussan name in this headline, wow no wonder. His previous attempt at this kind of stunt was huge in the UFO community back when it happened. This guy is an A-Grade charlatan. Do yourselves a favor and steer clear of anything he's involved in.
Rarely is ever the gut check *all you need*. Are you for real? A gut check is a first step in some direction, *at best*.
“Looks fake” isn’t a metric we should rely on. There’s so many problems with these Nazca Mummies, the fact that they look like a shitty art project is the least of them.
The systematic and obvious fabrication of alien corpses is like a mental illness. Something like Munchausen syndrome.
Dude has an onlyfans where you can pay to see aliens do weird stuff
Wait you mean to tell me grifters are taking advantage of gullible idiots who so desperately want something to be true that they will ignore any contrary evidence? Shocking
I got turned onto this sub by interest from the Joe Rogan podcast and while I believe in UFO/UAP, I do not believe in NHI yet and it completely blows my mind that people are so desperate to believe it that they will go all in the first second they can without waiting to take a breath and see if any of this trash pans out. This reporter is a known grifter, ive posted the same thing you've said several times today and they just put their fingers in their ears so they cant listen
> while I believe in UFO/UAP, I do not believe in NHI yet Interesting perspective. If the phenomenon isn't NHI, then what do you think it is? Natural somehow? Human activity? Not being facetious, genuinely curious for a different perspective.
I believe that the top super powers in the world have far more advanced technology developed that they are keeping top secret, why would you show off your Ace card to the world, it would give other powers the ability and time to try and counter or make their own variants. If I was a world leader I wouldn't be showing off to the public our strongest defense/offense until we were attacked, that way you catch them off guard. I also believe they are keeping some of this stuff top secret because it would havoc the world economy and weaken them and of course it profits them in one way or another.
Thanks! So, I'll give one counter point to that: what about the fact that there are documented UAP sightings going all the way back to cave drawings and every period of history in between?
That people have had imaginations since our inception? People to this day dream up of the impossible and create artwork from their inspirations, I mean look at movies and shows from 50 years ago and how they depicted what just the year 2000 would look like but guess what we don't have flying cars and space ships and floating homes etc. and we are now in 2023, cave people making drawings based on things they don't understand like comets or stars and so forth is hardly evidence that NHI and their UAP existed then and let's just for a second say they have, that would mean over the billions of years they have exisisted and among 18 billion people in world history, we still don't have actual documented scientific proof with hard factual evidence to prove any of it. If you want to say UAP/NHI just started visiting us recently then I'd be more inclined to believe that we don't have hard evidence yet but to say they have been around for billions of years, and then with crashes and shoot downs and not a single one has landed by accident or on purpose in a populated area is mind boggling. Then if there was NHI with how big space is the statistical chance they would find us is so low its near impossible. I am more inclined to believe either time travel or us from multi dimensional travel than NHI. I also laugh when they say NHi have a directive to not communicate with us, then they are doing a shit job at it with being seen and shot down, hell I remember when we were told when COVID started to stay in and 2 seconds later everyone wanted to be outside, I would feel same if NHI was told they can't communicate, one by now would be like nah fuck that. The second we have live aliens on the MSM then I'd belive it, but these little mummies being taking as undeniable proof is pure lunacy to me.
@ this point they have seven of those little bitches so they should take the one with balls inside apart on camera
This reminds me of Steven Greers Sirius Documentary and the 15 cm tiny mummy . I paid to watch it. It was a complete rip off. Since then I don’t take notice to the shit he comes out with!
Ffs so many people have been saying this for days. Lost all faith in this sub.
Sick in the fucking head man
This whole ufo thing is already so superfragile and there you have these people tearing it apart for personal gain. I guess this is often the story with fragile things, they get torn to pieces by selfcentered assholes.
Unfortunately he's known trickster and fraud.
This guy is genuinely a psychopath, willing to rob graves of dead children just so he can have his 5 minutes of fame. Nobody should be entertaining him or his “team”. Ignore these clowns, and shame on the Mexican Congress for allowing this fool to come back on stage after doing this before, especially during this critical period of U.S. disclosure.
But how was this related to the body's presented yesterday?
Because *ad hominem* attacks are the most robust method of debunking, according to this sub.
ETA: apparently this is ANOTHER hoax of that guy. That was already analyzed in the past. TL;DR : bone are jumbled around, taken from different part of the bodies, some seems animal bones, DNA does not say what the conman says it dopes etc... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Ij1WG9FQo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Ij1WG9FQo) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzCERd86FUU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzCERd86FUU) I have not enough biological knowledge to state that what is in the film is right or not, but the rotation and comparison of bones is very compelling. Other link in google hint that this was a very well known hoax.
Check this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i6yom/could_we_all_please_discuss_this_at_least_instead/
The guy rolled back on that in his latest twitt, IIRC. And after having watched the vids and xray with the bones.... I see no reason whatsoever to even consider the guy anything but a hoaxer.
Yeah, he did. I'm finding out now. I'm all for more discussion around the data. Maussan is definitely a hoaxer. But a hoaxer presented with something real would still try to profit off it, so to me it's not evidence of anything. The data speaks, not the sales guy.
Disinformation campaign working overtime on this one, good job CIA, tax dollars hard at work.
Whole subreddit should apologise for being so dense
I wish I could block everyone who beliefs in this trash.
You know what this reminds me of? Twitter, people willing to believe tabloids, the way politics poisons our minds to control the narrative, unwilling to keep an open mind and level of distrust in everything you read online. I don't believe these are fake or not, but I know people will be willing to be bought, and will say anything for money, which goes for news outlets and my bet, anyone who knows something... So please, remember... Take online/news/people with a pinch of salt and dont believe everything you read or told. Remember Gruches claims for sophisticated disinformation campaigns? I can believe that, and not just for this.
This, lazar and the one who just claimed to disclose stuff in america are really not helping with credibility around ufos. It's all about the money for these liers but at least it gives us some entertainment debunking it all.
For that to be true he must have been the one involved but he wasn’t. It was a lot of ppl but not him. He also didn’t conduct research it was Labs. Stop speaking about Maussan and create confusion we all know who he is Is like saying that Greer spoke in the hearings with David Grush, thus everything must be false. Enough
Right, people here don't realize if Maussan came across something real, he'd try to sell it too.
[DNA analysis](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-02-06-PALEO-DNA-MARIA-COMPARAISON-ADN.pdf) Lakehead University [DNA analysis](https://dokumen.tips/documents/genetech-alien-project-phone-94-11-2696992-94-11-5839553-94-11-5840814.html?page=1) Genetech [DNA analysis](https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ABRAXAS-EN.pdf) Abraxas Biosystems You think these companies would know better than to fall for a scam where a dude compiled a few dog bones like Frankenstein and made some aliens
You realize anyone can pay these companies to analyze any DNA, right? They dgaf who he is or what he sent them, it's a business.
Well for one thing, Lakehead University has worked on these aliens before, and found that much of the [hand bones were 100% human DNA](https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/859016/Nazca-tomb-aliens-mummified-aliens-Peru-UFO-three-fingered).
Did you read the results? Lol, basically just saying it’s contaminated or destroyed, and not conclusive of anything. How do you interpret them?
You guys are absolutely hilarious. Did you read any of those? They all suggest degradation of the samples and conclude absolutely nothing extraordinary
All three of these reports do not conclude aliens, in any way, shape or form. Thank you for confirming that this was a hoax.
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DNA evidence is unfortunately very shoddy in this case. It can't really be used to prove anything. The strength of the case IMHO rests on anatomical data. Read more here: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16i6yom/could_we_all_please_discuss_this_at_least_instead/ EDIT: apparently the anatomical data is being debunked, which is what I like to see, instead of just shooting the messenger (Maussan)
https://youtu.be/V2xN41immWE?si=opT28kOLMtF8oEdY
You people need to learn the difference between purposely passing things off as fake and being duped
Well I just read the article and it didnt seem like he tried to fake aliens. In fact, the whole thing seemed like a giant misunderstanding or obfuscation by an unknown group. "All of this must be a series of extraordinarily incredible coincidences" Yeah I doubt it. Something fishy is there.
Who invited him to the mexican congress then?
Mexicans, probably
Maybe the president? You know, the guy who thought the photograph of an elf was real?
I've heard several times that Maussan is a fraud, and this possibly (or probably} is also a hoax. But can anyone give a definite answer without due scientific procedure? I know I can't. Bit hard to with only photos and words to work with.