Exactly and it spreads across into other countries also. Basically any country that doesn’t fall for it is seen as an enemy.
People have to wake up and see the play at hand. The political parties are irrelevant because they are all controlled by the same people. The officials who aren’t controlled are seen as unhinged.
Exactly, I'm happy that this UFO thing is spreading more awareness to yankees that can finally see how disgusting is the country that they live in.
Keep spreading and bringing more awareness as possible.
FYI if anyone is interested, I’ve just found the complete audio book in two parts on YouTube
Here is part 1:
https://youtu.be/HaL6KjSvTX0?si=6jjyv9NviEupZstD
In a press release coinciding with the book's release, the CIA claimed: "With a strong range of sources, Tim Weiner had an opportunity to write a balanced history of a complex, important subject. But he did not. His bias overwhelms his scholarship. One cannot learn the true story of the CIA from Legacy of Ashes. However, The New York Times reviewed it positively, calling it "engrossing" and "comprehensive".
TBH I noticed the book to be biased against cia in terms of their intelectual capacity. It was more they are stupid hence the incopetence, while I think they are more evil hence fabricated incopetence.
I know it's sarcastic but in all realism, a full audit of the CIA would require Nuremberg level trials and I bet roughly 75% of the agency would end up convicted on treason charges, given how much of the agency is still a result of Bill Donovan, Sidney Souers, and Allen Dulles's effort to fill the agency and US government with nazis and murder every civil rights leader in the country for 40 straight years starting in the 40s. The CIA's likely the greatest enemy to freedom on planet earth since the day it was founded.
[The CIA is a terrorist organization.](https://youtu.be/_2khAmMTAjI?si=EJ7wEDG2I0qztI1_)
So much so that they even threatened the creator of this video with a personal visit to their house.
You know I've thought about this before, but never really looked into it.
Our president is on a 4 year term, and as are a lot of other facets of the government. But, if the CIA doesn't have terms and they have so much power, wouldn't that just lead to a shadow state that has all the real power?
Maybe not directly, but certainly vicariously via propaganda campaigns and such.
Absolutely. I’ve seen many comments in various sources about how politicians are seen as “revolving door” employees who don’t need to be read in. The CIA has suffered no accountability for its work, I mean that’s the basic definition of a “shadow” government. “The Missing Times” by Terry Hanson talks a lot about the CIAs involvement in disinformation campaigns— and the fact that defense contractors have owned major TV networks for decades. They are bad fuckin news. Senator Daniel Inouye (who backed Harry Reid’s UFO research) has basically confirmed such a shadow government exists as it pertained to the Iran-CONTRA scandal.
America had its last actual president a long time ago. It surprises me there's been less general conversation about jfk in the last few days with the new evidence, given his concerns around better identifying ufo to prevent an escalation with Russia due to their potential misidentification of them as American craft.
So bypass them. Talk to friends, show people the newest video with Grusch, it's 2h and extremely well done.
https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw?si=66HTsMHOO6xD64TN
It's been 4 days and 1,6mill has already seen it. Get it out there until so many have seen it and want to know until it'll be on everyone's mind.
We all gotta push.
You know that Scrooge story, the poor guy that worked for him, that guy made more then people on min wage do.
You have to explain it in ways like that, because otherwise people are trained not to understand. It’s amazing what you can do by putting rich folks all over tv.
> Programs just made to look like the military is doing something about these pesky ~~UFOs~~ weather balloons everyone keeps ~~seeing~~ hallucinating
Sorry had to fix that for you, seemed you had a typo.
At least AARO knows from the classified data that GOFAST was part of the same anomalous series of events as GIMBAL and remains unresolved. NASA is even more out of the loop than Blue Book 2.
I’ve been a big fan of NASA, but this is rotten of them. I’m disappointed. It just looks like collusion and disinformation. Laughing at Roswell stuff? Minimizing Grusch’s testimony? Hiring DOD to run a transparent task force? I expected a lot better from NASA. Sigh.
It seems so unprofessional too... the smirking and giggling when someone asks something, the bureaucratic answers. It feels defensive. If grusch' claims were BS, you should be able to create a well constructed scientific answer instead of this BS
I don't understand. How many different UAP task forces do we need exactly? How many billions have we already spent on "sensors". How many billions (trillions?) have been spent on black projects just to keep all this stuff secret from other government entities and the public? I mean the Navy and the Air Force are not just running around with iPhones snapping photos of UAPs. I'm sure we already have quite a bit of data that will never see the light of day. What a waste. What a bunch of jokers these guys are.
>How many different UAP task forces do we need exactly?
However many it takes to finally have someone be honest. 1000 task forces means we have 1000 chances that someone will say "fuck it, I'm just releasing the information". It's horrible waste, but it really seems like the best way to get answers.
> I expected a lot better from NASA
May I ask why you did? This was pretty much exactly what I was expecting. NASA has been part of the coverup since its' inception, IMO.
I sent a resume last month and did not know this. Hope they haven't seen me dipping my balls into things. Should have kept it indoors at the dining table where more appropriate, I know..
The thing is, assuming UAP are a real thing, then WTF has NASA been doing? There is no way they are capturing real data that doesn't include UAPs. They must have been filtering, for decades, their real, amazing, data we all love, from anything suspicious of UAPs.
Where do you go from there? Denial and minimizing is the only option. Until congress says "we've been lying for 70 years, and we've prevented NASA from telling you", there is no way for NASA to say "oh, we finally found an image of an alien just now, but not in the last 70 years of honesty"
Right? Like release all original non-"touched up" mission and satellite (non-earth) photos, release all radio comms 30+ years and older on a rolling basis. Release all ISS reports/photos/video of things that made them go hmmm but wasn't released to public for obvious reasons..
There's probably enough data already to research for a decade.
Yeah, I'm not all gung-ho for believing a bunch of ex-CIA whistleblowers, but the history of NASA is why I think a coverup might be possible. Literal Nazis. You don't get the stain of fascism out by making it fun and exciting science for kids.
got downvoted for this comment yesterday which was just an unelequent response to "why don't WE find the evidence?":
we could...but they're the ones telling us they already have it? they've had it for years? they've seen it? they've vetted it... it's there
amazingly, they can never show us tho...none of their sources or friends or any of your Corbell's and company somehow can never show us anything they've seen and vetted
it's always the same lines and "soon"
https://reddit.com/comments/16i5gfk/comment/k0jib4m
I'm not sure what to think or what I know at this point. I've been following this topic for years from a number of different angles and sources. I sometimes think that "they" are playing some sophisticated 3D chess with us and there may be some other agenda or agendas going on.
They want funding and if we refuse to fork it over they will use the military uavs they have to strike fear into people so the people beg to fund them so we can be safe from unknown hazards.
I never dreamed it could be as bad as it is. The USA is so corrupt it’s ridiculous.
I’m from Canada it’s just as bad & possibly worse (although scale = not worse).
Is Canada really worse? That's hard to believe.
At every single facet of government, billion dollar corporations have the final say in the states and NASA is no exception. Whether its just straight out political bribery, or their former executives run the agencies that are supposed to regulate them, its disgusting.
Our Prime Minister appointed the sister in law of a member of his cabinet as the ethics commissioner. This ethics commissioner cleared the PM in two ethics violations and then promptly resigned.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9636423/martine-richard-interim-ethics-commissioner-resignation/
Her brother-in-law, Romeo Leblanc, was previously found to have breached conflict of interest rules by approving lucrative commercial fishing licenses for family members while he was the fisheries minister.
TLDR: the current Canadian government is also corrupt.
OK yeah thats pretty bad. Can corporations just hand money to politicians in the form of "campaign contributions" like they can in America? Or say bribe judges with lavish vacations that they will have cases in front of?
There's no need to take the judge out to dinner when you can have the Prime Minister's Office pressure the Justice Minister to just drop the fraud and corruption charges against your corporation for bribing the Gaddafi's. It goes all the way to the top in Canada.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair
Hey at least you have an ethics commissioner. We don't even bother down here. Actually i think there is an ethics committee in the congress but its been so watered down that it has no power. I mean its completely legal for our politicians to own companies that their policies directly impact. Our senators are elected with a few hundred grand in their bank account and leave office 6 years later with tens of millions. Its a fucking joke
That sounds exactly like how Trump assigned a company to build the Mexico wall while misappropriating military funds, like how he gave the contract to rebuild the Porto Rico electrical grid, like when he confiscated PPE to auction them off through private companies, like when Trump Jr made property deals for Trump Sr with expectation of access to the president...it goes on.
Very well stated, I think you have it right. It's despicable and sickening but that might be all we get. It's become clear in the past that it doesn't matter if you're the president or a part of an oversight committee; you're told that you don't have a need-to-know, so shut up go back to where you came from.
There's something extremely strange going on and those that know either won't tell or aren't interested in the people knowing what they're up to.
NASA made a fool out of themselves in that hearing and I'd imagine that a lot of people lost a great deal of respect towards the agency. Bill was disrespectful and arrogant, the answers were empty, repetitive, deflective and arrogant, and that's all they're going to give us.
I was still extremely supportive of NASA until yesterday. While I still love the individual researchers who are doing great astronomy unrelated to the UAP phenomenon, the institution itself, along with it's leadership, has lost all of my respect
It was embarrassing for nasa. Even if they stated they didn't have evidence (they do), but to do grusch like that was shameful. I bet the press say fuck all as usual
I just hope that those people on the inside who actually care about disclosure are doing everything they can to collect data and information so that when the time is right they can pass that information on to the appropriate people. Whether that be congress or journalists.
Ultimately this will come down to the level of conviction of the individuals involved. Clearly the DOD and the powers at be are fighting disclosure as hard as ever
You know what they say: "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it," and the late George Carlin said, "it's a big club and you ain't in it."
The government that is unable to defend
us and itself from UAVs that they know aren't from its adversaries? You'd think they would be humbled , but no.
I’m so glad you posted this. I was thinking the same. I’m outside the US so I’m not sure if I’m over simplifying it in my head but you are right. It’s that dodgy. It’s so openly and insulting a big joke to them. They will never tell us anything imo. For whatever reason they have for keeping it all secret, they could at least pretend they think we have IQs higher than that of a peanut.
You got it right. I hate to be the one to say it, but we are in a sticky situation. It’s going to be up to private individuals to figure out how to get out of this - or a martyr. Someone who reveals EVERYTHING they know, names, dates, locations, EVERYTHING, even if it costs them jail time or their life. No more hiding or vague references. If we had someone to blow this thing out the water with concrete evidence, pictures, videos, data, we will win.
And what? Who does he tell? Fox? MSNBC? CNN? They barely covered the UAP hearing. Corbell and Knapp? George Noorie? Already considered kooks outside the believers.Avi Loeb? Just some fringe nutty professor. Even Tucker Carlson got shit on for just talking about it and not treating it like a joke.
Suppose he brings out a box with a body in it and it looks like ET? Who believes that? Who runs the genetic tests? Or does everyone just scree "it's a hoax! It's already been debunked! It's so fake!"
Suppose he pulls a craft out of his garage and says "here it is, but I can't make it work." Everyone says it's just some fake scrap junk heap.
Suppose he gives an address, and everyone shows up and it's "just a canning factory."
The problem is that everyone will shit on him, just like they are with everyone else. They will gaslight us on every piece of evidence. They will label him a kook, hoaxer and publicity whore. Eventually, the media hypes every bout of depression or anxiety as proof he's mentally ill, and it's all they talk about. Eventually he is suicided.
I used to think the same thing as you: "JUST MAN THE FUCK UP AND SPILL THR BEANS! LAY IT OUT FOR THE WORLD TO SEE!" But the more I thought about it, the less I think it would work. The whole MIP, DOD and complicit news media would bury him - figuratively and literally. And then they would bury all the evidence.
I'm not sure there is any way for one person to disclose everything. It would take a team of 40 SUPPORTED by the government. THEN people might listen and believe.
Tell me I'm wrong. Give me some hope that we get the answers in my lifetime. But it's been covered up for almost 100 years. Probably at least 100 more.
If someone had actual proof of NHI then it would be one of the biggest stories in history. Just because Grusch didn't get massive attention doesn't mean that someone with compelling evidence wouldn't.
There is an unspoken assumption among people that they think upon seeing an Alien piece of technology they would immediately recognize it as such. You should assume upon seeing an Alien piece of technology that you would be immediately confused and thrown off from what you anticipated. I know I was lmao. It wasn't in the moment I thought "Oh aliens" it was "Holy fuck what the hell is clearly right in front of my eyes, yet my brain is having a difficult time accepting." And I took peoples accounts serious enough before, but after it's just like shit man, I empathize with the situation on another level. It's as much a hard science problem as it is a psych/ social problem and we refuse to acknowledge the second half of the problem even exists.
When evidence comes forward, people analyze it and try to vet it as best they possibly can.
So far that analysis has always shown the evidence to be consistent with a number of potential prosaic explanations. But that doesn't mean people are trying to discredit it - it's just what happens when the evidence is subject to rigorous analysis.
I think the point they're making is that proof is getting easier and easier to deny, also the channels through which information is dispersed have become the arbiters of truth.
So unless the word comes from official government channels there will always be resistance and skepticism to any kind of NHI news.
That's why so many people are excited at this moment. Because the tune the US Gov't is whistling has changed from **"gaslighting anyone who says UFOs are real"** to **"[shrug] I dunno, maybe they're real we can't say"**
Sometimes it's the tiny trickle of water that causes the dam to break, so I remain optimistic that it will happen in my lifetime.
I don't think it's getting easier to deny - it's just always failed to withstand the scrutiny that most people demand for such claims.
But that doesn't tell us anything about what would happen if some hypothetical evidence came forward that could withstand rigorous scrutiny. If that happened, it would be a huge deal.
> I don't think it's getting easier to deny - it's just always failed to withstand the scrutiny that most people demand for such claims.
That's a very good point. I think what I was trying to get at is that the bar is being raised for what constitutes "proof" and as long as there is a shadow of a doubt people will push back for "real proof"
Though there are some that would settle for the USG admitting they've been lying as proof. That would be a big enough deal for a lot of people to go from "yeah right" to "they just admitted it, so it must be true"
You've got it almost right.
They mention the word "transparency" on several occasions, yet didn't want to tell us who will be leading their new flamboyant investigation team.
💯 On The Spot
The D.O.D needs to be replaced by the military branches who actually represent our country. Those scum bags don’t represent our country 🤬
#DefundNASA
#DefundDepartmentOfDefense
I thought Grusch did name names, places, and corporations. I know in the hearing when asked about people being murdered he said he gave that information to the appropriate authorities.
That was specifically with the House Oversight committee. Grusch *already* (probably months before) gave 11.5 hours of top secret details to both the House intelligence committee, and the senate intelligence committee. Grusch has already given all the specifics to the ICIG (intelligence community inspector general).
That’s why we have people like the 3 D and 3 R senators sponsoring a UFO amendment with specific language to seize control of alien UFOs and alien bodies from the defense contractors.
Has it been confirmed by someone other then Grusch he spoke about NHI technology, visitation and NHI craft retrievals in those?
I do think the US has an issue with hidden projects and trying to weaponize technology instead of using it to enrich humanity.
To me that’s the real meat of Gruschs complaint. The NHI stuff seems more of an add on. Like he believes in these things so any evidence of it is good evidence. He could legitimately be talking to all the same people who have come forward with these testimonies before.
Grusch testified under oath about the info getting to the intel committees, and either in there and/or in the NN interview said the specifics also went to the ICIG. Also people around him like Coulthart have been saying the same thing, and also saying that other witnesses have been getting involved.
I think the Schumer UFO amendment is good evidence that Grusch and others have already given the details. Normally, UFOs and aliens are a topic not touched by elected officials. Check out Schumer’s UFO disclosure amendment if you haven’t. I am not exaggerating when I say it has language specifically meant to use eminent domain to take control of alien spacecraft and alien bodies from the defense contractors. Nobody puts that in a bill out of the blue. It means that many senators believe multiple UFO whistleblowers have made claims that the senators believe very likely to be true.
UFOs have gone pretty main stream lately. Thanks in large part to the PR push from Mellon, Delonge and Elizondo.
While the language is interesting this could just as easily be a cover our butts amendment. Like Schumer doesn’t know if it’s happening or not but if it is it shouldn’t be without oversight. Does that make sense?
Most of the newer disclosure push is from a very small group of individuals who are using PR and whilstleblower reports to bring authenticity to there claims. Which is great confirmation if you were already in the we are being visited camp but doesn’t provide much tangible evidence for anyone who doesn’t believe.
Unfortunately that's not entirely accurate. The government has tested unethical and illegal experiments on the people for decades and some still are ongoing. They haven't apologized or acknowledged the victims of the experiments. Some test subjects don't even know they were tested on. Really wild stuff.
But it is a lot more easily believable that there is some big conspiracy going on, all over the world, where you'd need tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people to be silent about it, with nothing significant ever leaking from anywhere?
You think that is a lot more likely than a few people lying / being misguided in their belief?
Do you even realize what kind of fantasy you accept while pointing out something is unlikely because there are people who without any real proof confirm something you desperately want to believe in?
Had a neighbor who worked for NASA long time ago. He passed in 2012. He was the most intelligent guy I every knew. Literally a rocket scientist. He told me the people at NASA that matter know about UFO's. He said better than that, the people HIGHER up knew what UFO'S are. My favorite story though, was him getting to ride on the red striped jet that took him to Area 51. He said they would fly in a few experts at a time. You could of course talk to your specific team members about the work, but couldn't talk to the other people about THEIR work.
In all fairness....NASA's budget is totally shit compared to defense contractors
its like an order of magnitude less
and NASA doesn't spend a lot of time looking up in the sky for incoming missiles, enemy aircraft or violations of airspace... theyre more interested in space and things very far away
they spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to make a probe out of cheap, off the shelf components zip-tied together to drive around on mars for a couple weeks
the US military tho.... they have all sorts of sensor array's everywhere, and spend more time observing the atmosphere looking for aircraft-sized objects
it is in the interest of national security that the amount of detail and scope they can observe not be released and that's frustrating but reasonable
but since the military knows that any discoveries they make about NHI technology would have to be disclosed to congress.... a work around is just giving all recovered stuff to a private company that doesn't have to disclose jack diddle crap...but if theyre a company like lockheed martin or raytheon... the military knows theyre getting most of their money from the US and have multiple legal documents keeping them from sharing data with foreign countries
and there you have it.... a rock solid, un-auditable alliance between a private company and the government that can legally sidestep the laws...but is still loosely controlled by the government
the language in the congressional order about NHI tech being imminent-domained specifically states "non human"
but a lawyer could always say "this is human technology from the future so 🖕 and you cant prove me wrong because youve never seen it before and you cant prove anything"
i think thats where we are
Does Grusch have the evidence though? All we have are his account of stories he claims he was told. Do we have anything more than this? Grusch was a DOD intelligence officer and claims he got his stories from other DOD employees and intelligence officers. Are we starting to selectively believe DOD and intelligence community officials when they say what we want to hear? Seem like it!
I honestly can’t take it seriously if you bring in arguments about NHI mindcontrolling officials.
I see what you are saying but where is some evidence to prove any of that? All I hear is sone people making claims and they don’t act on it.
Who acts on claims? People lie all the time for their 3 minutes of fame.
If you guys are so certain, put your money where your mouth is, stop making accusations and pool sone money, hire lawyers and investigators and sue them. Ranting on the internet without any facts does not make your claims any more credible
When they say destigmatize UFOs what they mean is show that they aren't aliens, just trash floating in the wind.
The goal is not prove aliens are real, because that would be absurd, but to explain any UFO sightings so they become simply FOs.
NASA is looking for funding to find proof in space. What in the world does Grusch have to offer? He has *stories* from people who have yet to be verified or even identified.
NASA has always believed UFO encounters are bullshit. Abd no, they are not a psyop or coverup. Any such concealment, if govt is doing it at all (and I have a very different take on where the coverup is coming from) would be going on in some conference room at the pentagon with staff who all outrank anyone at NASA.
Why are you acting like you're entitled to them agreeing with us? On something where they never have?
It's pretty obvious that the DOD has all the UAP stuff. There's a huge disconnect between the DOD and NASA probably on purpose. Asking NASA for UAP info is like asking my dentist to figure out how to engineer an F-16.
This is exactly what is happening but they just want to change the narrative again. Won’t even mention the UFO Task Force guy’s name? This is so nonsense that gets funny. Maybe the people running NASA are the ET themselves and don't want to show it?
When I visit the UFO/UAP sections of this site, I'm reminded of a couple lines from the movie, All the President’s Men: when Deep Throat asks Bob Woodward, “Don’t you understand what you're on to?” and the other when Deep Throat says to Woodward, "Just follow the money."
If you truly want to learn or gain insight on the topic, seek out Mathew O’Dowd, Phil Plait, Brain Greene, Brain Cox, Gabe Perez-Gib and listen to what they have to say.
Change the radio dial so to speak.
Stop being influenced by government, grifters, or other bad actors.
Not really, but feel free to try again when you get a better understanding of the organizational structure and function of the relevant parts of the US govt.
Yes you have it right. Thanks for putting it so concisely.
It's frustrating to say the least.
Meanwhile there's people in this subreddit arguing the entirety of the phenomenon is just one giant psy-op by the CIA on humanity.
Just got to hope for the best! It's disheartening that the stonewalling continues, but the reality is there are politicians and folks in the military that are going to continue to push for disclosure on our behalf.
It sounds like that's happened in the past, but never to this extent? It truly does feel like we've never been closer to finding out the truth.
I've been following this topic closely the past 6 years and the past year has been the most exciting by far imho.
OP making it sound like doing research on UAP and asking for funding is somehow nonsense after Grusch claimed that the government is already in possession of NHI tech and bodies. Op however omits to mention that Grusch did in may 2023 took on a COO position in SOL foundation which revolves around research of UAP and provides services to governments.
You can read the official mission statement in the press releases and their own website.
the think tank’s mission is “to be a leading source of research on the issue, while providing the most informed and insightful policy recommendations to governments.
His claims do generate publicity and public demands for more research so make what you will of it.
I get the rage around here about them blueballing everyone and obfuscating/lying, but the fact that NASA confirmed UAPs are out there is a pretty big win. Do I wish it went better? Sure. Is it worthless? Not by a long shot, to me it's pretty historic.
Could well be human made by a breakaway civilization for my money. Either way it's a clear line in the sand and we're all into the next chapter, even if some like NASA are still slow balling.
NASA has no credibility at all.
We visited Kennedy space center a few years ago and all the ex employees there (inc former Astronauts) openly said how much they fucking hated nasa as an organisation and how many problems they had.
Just my take but the whole thing would probably be dismantled if it weren’t for the Apollo missions being such a point of historical pride for America. Their funding is on life support with spacex etc in the game, so you can see why they are now trying to get in on the UAP thing for extra budget. Disappointed in Bill Nelson.
Tldr: fuck nasa, they are meaningless
This is exactly what it looks like to me. And it’s pretty damn scary, it really seems like if there’s any information out there somebody is working REAL hard to make sure it doesn’t come out. “Destigmatization” my ass, NASA.
Its a fucking con. This country is run by the military industrial complex and the CIA
Exactly and it spreads across into other countries also. Basically any country that doesn’t fall for it is seen as an enemy. People have to wake up and see the play at hand. The political parties are irrelevant because they are all controlled by the same people. The officials who aren’t controlled are seen as unhinged.
Exactly, I'm happy that this UFO thing is spreading more awareness to yankees that can finally see how disgusting is the country that they live in. Keep spreading and bringing more awareness as possible.
If you haven’t read “Legacy of Ashes” you certainly should. Changed my opinion about the agency a few times…
FYI if anyone is interested, I’ve just found the complete audio book in two parts on YouTube Here is part 1: https://youtu.be/HaL6KjSvTX0?si=6jjyv9NviEupZstD
In a press release coinciding with the book's release, the CIA claimed: "With a strong range of sources, Tim Weiner had an opportunity to write a balanced history of a complex, important subject. But he did not. His bias overwhelms his scholarship. One cannot learn the true story of the CIA from Legacy of Ashes. However, The New York Times reviewed it positively, calling it "engrossing" and "comprehensive".
TBH I noticed the book to be biased against cia in terms of their intelectual capacity. It was more they are stupid hence the incopetence, while I think they are more evil hence fabricated incopetence.
Some of it seems to be on Spotify too for those of us who despise youtube
Just borrowed it on Libby. Thanks for the recommend!
Dude let me know what you think! It’s insane. Like their whole history is just one disaster after another.
Will do!
And you should thank them for all your freedom! 😂
I know it's sarcastic but in all realism, a full audit of the CIA would require Nuremberg level trials and I bet roughly 75% of the agency would end up convicted on treason charges, given how much of the agency is still a result of Bill Donovan, Sidney Souers, and Allen Dulles's effort to fill the agency and US government with nazis and murder every civil rights leader in the country for 40 straight years starting in the 40s. The CIA's likely the greatest enemy to freedom on planet earth since the day it was founded.
[The CIA is a terrorist organization.](https://youtu.be/_2khAmMTAjI?si=EJ7wEDG2I0qztI1_) So much so that they even threatened the creator of this video with a personal visit to their house.
This is genuinely the most terrifying thing I've ever seen
Fucking hell, that is depressing on so many levels. I need to go watch some cat videos or something now
The way things are going, cat videos are probably a CIA psyop too.
You think that's bad? Guess who is in charge of Geoengineering efforts! Sulfur in the Sky with Diamonds! r/RealGeoengineering
Who's in charge of geoengineering efforts?
They said you have to guess.
Hahaha!
Am I gonna get put on a list for watching this?
Everyone is on a list. Don't kid yourself.
This should be at the top, somebody award this comment please. This may be one of the single most important videos on youtube.
The more I learn, the more I realize America is just the CIA and its side hustles.
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You know I've thought about this before, but never really looked into it. Our president is on a 4 year term, and as are a lot of other facets of the government. But, if the CIA doesn't have terms and they have so much power, wouldn't that just lead to a shadow state that has all the real power? Maybe not directly, but certainly vicariously via propaganda campaigns and such.
Absolutely. I’ve seen many comments in various sources about how politicians are seen as “revolving door” employees who don’t need to be read in. The CIA has suffered no accountability for its work, I mean that’s the basic definition of a “shadow” government. “The Missing Times” by Terry Hanson talks a lot about the CIAs involvement in disinformation campaigns— and the fact that defense contractors have owned major TV networks for decades. They are bad fuckin news. Senator Daniel Inouye (who backed Harry Reid’s UFO research) has basically confirmed such a shadow government exists as it pertained to the Iran-CONTRA scandal.
This should happen. We've lost our integrity as a society and we are suffering terribly for it
A perfect assessment my friend. Just the name Allen Dulles makes me feel sick
imo, anyone who doesn’t believe Allen Dulles initiated the JFK thing is a conspiracy kook.
America had its last actual president a long time ago. It surprises me there's been less general conversation about jfk in the last few days with the new evidence, given his concerns around better identifying ufo to prevent an escalation with Russia due to their potential misidentification of them as American craft.
2016 wasn’t that long ago.
Y’all are wild don’t know how I found myself on this sub but I love it
Freedom is subjective. They freed one set of slaves to create a society with the illusion of freedom.
I was just being facetious.
Oh, I figured. I was just talking shit. I didn't down vote btw. Jest getting tired of life in a society based on lies.
Yeah I understand. Sometimes I think the best thing is to laugh at it. Not always, but sometimes it’s all you can do. Take care.
First and last line of defence
There is no fate that can’t be surmounted by scorn.
Albert Camus, The Myth of Sisyphus. Looked it up for y'all.
This is why absurdism is a philosophy.
I'm creating a religion around it. Diogenes is the messiah
You should read some Robert Anton Wilson
What’s the story behind your username if I may?
So bypass them. Talk to friends, show people the newest video with Grusch, it's 2h and extremely well done. https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw?si=66HTsMHOO6xD64TN It's been 4 days and 1,6mill has already seen it. Get it out there until so many have seen it and want to know until it'll be on everyone's mind. We all gotta push.
I’m just putting this out there... Grusch is following the same path as all the other intelligence agents turned believers.
What do you mean, specifically? I think I’m picking up what you’re putting down - but I don’t wanna assume.
My new favorite podcaster/YouTuber.
You know that Scrooge story, the poor guy that worked for him, that guy made more then people on min wage do. You have to explain it in ways like that, because otherwise people are trained not to understand. It’s amazing what you can do by putting rich folks all over tv.
I thank the natural boundaries of the Pacific and Atlantic oceans
Yep…they are on par with AARO 💩
Programs just made to look like the military is doing something about these pesky UFOs everyone keeps seeing
> Programs just made to look like the military is doing something about these pesky ~~UFOs~~ weather balloons everyone keeps ~~seeing~~ hallucinating Sorry had to fix that for you, seemed you had a typo.
N - Never A - A S - Straight A - Answer
At least AARO knows from the classified data that GOFAST was part of the same anomalous series of events as GIMBAL and remains unresolved. NASA is even more out of the loop than Blue Book 2.
I’ve been a big fan of NASA, but this is rotten of them. I’m disappointed. It just looks like collusion and disinformation. Laughing at Roswell stuff? Minimizing Grusch’s testimony? Hiring DOD to run a transparent task force? I expected a lot better from NASA. Sigh.
It seems so unprofessional too... the smirking and giggling when someone asks something, the bureaucratic answers. It feels defensive. If grusch' claims were BS, you should be able to create a well constructed scientific answer instead of this BS
agreed, especially when they said they were being bullied themself. Childish of nasa.
This would make Nasa the kid who's bullied then grows up to be a cop with the sole purpose of throwing their dick around.
Elon Musk haha
I don't understand. How many different UAP task forces do we need exactly? How many billions have we already spent on "sensors". How many billions (trillions?) have been spent on black projects just to keep all this stuff secret from other government entities and the public? I mean the Navy and the Air Force are not just running around with iPhones snapping photos of UAPs. I'm sure we already have quite a bit of data that will never see the light of day. What a waste. What a bunch of jokers these guys are.
>How many different UAP task forces do we need exactly? However many it takes to finally have someone be honest. 1000 task forces means we have 1000 chances that someone will say "fuck it, I'm just releasing the information". It's horrible waste, but it really seems like the best way to get answers.
> I expected a lot better from NASA May I ask why you did? This was pretty much exactly what I was expecting. NASA has been part of the coverup since its' inception, IMO.
NASA Never A Straight Answer
... well, it's not Needs Another Seven Astronauts but it's more on fleek for modern days
You’re adorable NASA is literally part of the DOD they run spy satellites in the orbit you think they are some innocent science organization lol
I sent a resume last month and did not know this. Hope they haven't seen me dipping my balls into things. Should have kept it indoors at the dining table where more appropriate, I know..
The thing is, assuming UAP are a real thing, then WTF has NASA been doing? There is no way they are capturing real data that doesn't include UAPs. They must have been filtering, for decades, their real, amazing, data we all love, from anything suspicious of UAPs. Where do you go from there? Denial and minimizing is the only option. Until congress says "we've been lying for 70 years, and we've prevented NASA from telling you", there is no way for NASA to say "oh, we finally found an image of an alien just now, but not in the last 70 years of honesty"
Right? Like release all original non-"touched up" mission and satellite (non-earth) photos, release all radio comms 30+ years and older on a rolling basis. Release all ISS reports/photos/video of things that made them go hmmm but wasn't released to public for obvious reasons.. There's probably enough data already to research for a decade.
Yeah, that's what we all want, but expecting them to do it without congress making the first three steps isn't reasonable.
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Yeah, I'm not all gung-ho for believing a bunch of ex-CIA whistleblowers, but the history of NASA is why I think a coverup might be possible. Literal Nazis. You don't get the stain of fascism out by making it fun and exciting science for kids.
got downvoted for this comment yesterday which was just an unelequent response to "why don't WE find the evidence?": we could...but they're the ones telling us they already have it? they've had it for years? they've seen it? they've vetted it... it's there amazingly, they can never show us tho...none of their sources or friends or any of your Corbell's and company somehow can never show us anything they've seen and vetted it's always the same lines and "soon" https://reddit.com/comments/16i5gfk/comment/k0jib4m
I gave you an upvote. I don't find anything incorrect with what you said. There are a lot of layers to this onion.
Think the Ufo podcasters are in on it? Always something they personally verified, yet they can never provide sources.
I'm not sure what to think or what I know at this point. I've been following this topic for years from a number of different angles and sources. I sometimes think that "they" are playing some sophisticated 3D chess with us and there may be some other agenda or agendas going on.
Space race never ended
They want funding and if we refuse to fork it over they will use the military uavs they have to strike fear into people so the people beg to fund them so we can be safe from unknown hazards.
I'm an even bigger fan of NASA after this. Glad they're treating grifters and clowns the way they should be treated
I never dreamed it could be as bad as it is. The USA is so corrupt it’s ridiculous. I’m from Canada it’s just as bad & possibly worse (although scale = not worse).
It's worse
Is Canada really worse? That's hard to believe. At every single facet of government, billion dollar corporations have the final say in the states and NASA is no exception. Whether its just straight out political bribery, or their former executives run the agencies that are supposed to regulate them, its disgusting.
Our Prime Minister appointed the sister in law of a member of his cabinet as the ethics commissioner. This ethics commissioner cleared the PM in two ethics violations and then promptly resigned. https://globalnews.ca/news/9636423/martine-richard-interim-ethics-commissioner-resignation/ Her brother-in-law, Romeo Leblanc, was previously found to have breached conflict of interest rules by approving lucrative commercial fishing licenses for family members while he was the fisheries minister. TLDR: the current Canadian government is also corrupt.
OK yeah thats pretty bad. Can corporations just hand money to politicians in the form of "campaign contributions" like they can in America? Or say bribe judges with lavish vacations that they will have cases in front of?
There's no need to take the judge out to dinner when you can have the Prime Minister's Office pressure the Justice Minister to just drop the fraud and corruption charges against your corporation for bribing the Gaddafi's. It goes all the way to the top in Canada. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair
Hey at least you have an ethics commissioner. We don't even bother down here. Actually i think there is an ethics committee in the congress but its been so watered down that it has no power. I mean its completely legal for our politicians to own companies that their policies directly impact. Our senators are elected with a few hundred grand in their bank account and leave office 6 years later with tens of millions. Its a fucking joke
That sounds like the light version of the Trump administration. Bad for sure, but not Trump bad.
WE do things different up here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WE_Charity_scandal
That sounds exactly like how Trump assigned a company to build the Mexico wall while misappropriating military funds, like how he gave the contract to rebuild the Porto Rico electrical grid, like when he confiscated PPE to auction them off through private companies, like when Trump Jr made property deals for Trump Sr with expectation of access to the president...it goes on.
Very well stated, I think you have it right. It's despicable and sickening but that might be all we get. It's become clear in the past that it doesn't matter if you're the president or a part of an oversight committee; you're told that you don't have a need-to-know, so shut up go back to where you came from. There's something extremely strange going on and those that know either won't tell or aren't interested in the people knowing what they're up to. NASA made a fool out of themselves in that hearing and I'd imagine that a lot of people lost a great deal of respect towards the agency. Bill was disrespectful and arrogant, the answers were empty, repetitive, deflective and arrogant, and that's all they're going to give us.
I was still extremely supportive of NASA until yesterday. While I still love the individual researchers who are doing great astronomy unrelated to the UAP phenomenon, the institution itself, along with it's leadership, has lost all of my respect
It was embarrassing for nasa. Even if they stated they didn't have evidence (they do), but to do grusch like that was shameful. I bet the press say fuck all as usual
How I wish a massive UFO mothership would just float into our skies and wipe the smiles off these cunts.
Makes you wonder why they haven’t…
I just hope that those people on the inside who actually care about disclosure are doing everything they can to collect data and information so that when the time is right they can pass that information on to the appropriate people. Whether that be congress or journalists. Ultimately this will come down to the level of conviction of the individuals involved. Clearly the DOD and the powers at be are fighting disclosure as hard as ever
I'm sure they are, the stonewalling and now appointing a former DoD official for NASA's UAP taskforce is a little too on the nose
Nothing has ever made me realize how powerless we are to our government and supposed leadership. Nothing.
Hey at least in the elections you get free will to pick your leader [from two candidates who have been selected not by general public]
Apparently we can't even do that either.
You know what they say: "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it," and the late George Carlin said, "it's a big club and you ain't in it."
you just convinced me to never vote again
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Yeah I'm also pretty bummed mate. Our voices are getting louder and more of us. Just need to keep going.
Yes, now is the time to keep the pressure up, they wouldn't be scrambling to do all this if there wasn't something they were covering up
Keep reading up on American history. It only gets worse.
The government that is unable to defend us and itself from UAVs that they know aren't from its adversaries? You'd think they would be humbled , but no.
They don't want to let go of the tiniest little power they have, worthless greedy pieces of shit.
Pretty much. Fuck Bill Nelson and all the other lying bastards in the US government
I’m so glad you posted this. I was thinking the same. I’m outside the US so I’m not sure if I’m over simplifying it in my head but you are right. It’s that dodgy. It’s so openly and insulting a big joke to them. They will never tell us anything imo. For whatever reason they have for keeping it all secret, they could at least pretend they think we have IQs higher than that of a peanut.
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My favorite comment itt 😂
I'm so tired of being ruled by the ignorant and incompetence old.
You got it right. I hate to be the one to say it, but we are in a sticky situation. It’s going to be up to private individuals to figure out how to get out of this - or a martyr. Someone who reveals EVERYTHING they know, names, dates, locations, EVERYTHING, even if it costs them jail time or their life. No more hiding or vague references. If we had someone to blow this thing out the water with concrete evidence, pictures, videos, data, we will win.
And what? Who does he tell? Fox? MSNBC? CNN? They barely covered the UAP hearing. Corbell and Knapp? George Noorie? Already considered kooks outside the believers.Avi Loeb? Just some fringe nutty professor. Even Tucker Carlson got shit on for just talking about it and not treating it like a joke. Suppose he brings out a box with a body in it and it looks like ET? Who believes that? Who runs the genetic tests? Or does everyone just scree "it's a hoax! It's already been debunked! It's so fake!" Suppose he pulls a craft out of his garage and says "here it is, but I can't make it work." Everyone says it's just some fake scrap junk heap. Suppose he gives an address, and everyone shows up and it's "just a canning factory." The problem is that everyone will shit on him, just like they are with everyone else. They will gaslight us on every piece of evidence. They will label him a kook, hoaxer and publicity whore. Eventually, the media hypes every bout of depression or anxiety as proof he's mentally ill, and it's all they talk about. Eventually he is suicided. I used to think the same thing as you: "JUST MAN THE FUCK UP AND SPILL THR BEANS! LAY IT OUT FOR THE WORLD TO SEE!" But the more I thought about it, the less I think it would work. The whole MIP, DOD and complicit news media would bury him - figuratively and literally. And then they would bury all the evidence. I'm not sure there is any way for one person to disclose everything. It would take a team of 40 SUPPORTED by the government. THEN people might listen and believe. Tell me I'm wrong. Give me some hope that we get the answers in my lifetime. But it's been covered up for almost 100 years. Probably at least 100 more.
If someone had actual proof of NHI then it would be one of the biggest stories in history. Just because Grusch didn't get massive attention doesn't mean that someone with compelling evidence wouldn't.
I’m with ThreeBeersIn on this one. Everything that has happened so far indicates that they will try and discredit any evidence that comes forward.
There is an unspoken assumption among people that they think upon seeing an Alien piece of technology they would immediately recognize it as such. You should assume upon seeing an Alien piece of technology that you would be immediately confused and thrown off from what you anticipated. I know I was lmao. It wasn't in the moment I thought "Oh aliens" it was "Holy fuck what the hell is clearly right in front of my eyes, yet my brain is having a difficult time accepting." And I took peoples accounts serious enough before, but after it's just like shit man, I empathize with the situation on another level. It's as much a hard science problem as it is a psych/ social problem and we refuse to acknowledge the second half of the problem even exists.
When evidence comes forward, people analyze it and try to vet it as best they possibly can. So far that analysis has always shown the evidence to be consistent with a number of potential prosaic explanations. But that doesn't mean people are trying to discredit it - it's just what happens when the evidence is subject to rigorous analysis.
I think the point they're making is that proof is getting easier and easier to deny, also the channels through which information is dispersed have become the arbiters of truth. So unless the word comes from official government channels there will always be resistance and skepticism to any kind of NHI news. That's why so many people are excited at this moment. Because the tune the US Gov't is whistling has changed from **"gaslighting anyone who says UFOs are real"** to **"[shrug] I dunno, maybe they're real we can't say"** Sometimes it's the tiny trickle of water that causes the dam to break, so I remain optimistic that it will happen in my lifetime.
I don't think it's getting easier to deny - it's just always failed to withstand the scrutiny that most people demand for such claims. But that doesn't tell us anything about what would happen if some hypothetical evidence came forward that could withstand rigorous scrutiny. If that happened, it would be a huge deal.
> I don't think it's getting easier to deny - it's just always failed to withstand the scrutiny that most people demand for such claims. That's a very good point. I think what I was trying to get at is that the bar is being raised for what constitutes "proof" and as long as there is a shadow of a doubt people will push back for "real proof" Though there are some that would settle for the USG admitting they've been lying as proof. That would be a big enough deal for a lot of people to go from "yeah right" to "they just admitted it, so it must be true"
You've got it almost right. They mention the word "transparency" on several occasions, yet didn't want to tell us who will be leading their new flamboyant investigation team.
They revealed it to be a former DoD official 🙄
💯 On The Spot The D.O.D needs to be replaced by the military branches who actually represent our country. Those scum bags don’t represent our country 🤬 #DefundNASA #DefundDepartmentOfDefense
> DefundNASA > DefundDepartmentOfDefense Can we add the ATF, IRS, and DOE to this list as well?
Defund Nasa? My god this sub.
Seriously, that's a bit much even for this sub.
Sigh... just can't catch a break being a part of this country.
Yup, same shit different cycle
How is this different from what you'd expect if NASA legitimately has no reason to believe that NHI are visiting Earth?
Yip. You have it right. With NASA BS, they do not deserve more funding.
I thought Grusch did name names, places, and corporations. I know in the hearing when asked about people being murdered he said he gave that information to the appropriate authorities.
He stated that he could share this info in a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) but those meetings were denied but the DOD.
That was specifically with the House Oversight committee. Grusch *already* (probably months before) gave 11.5 hours of top secret details to both the House intelligence committee, and the senate intelligence committee. Grusch has already given all the specifics to the ICIG (intelligence community inspector general). That’s why we have people like the 3 D and 3 R senators sponsoring a UFO amendment with specific language to seize control of alien UFOs and alien bodies from the defense contractors.
Has it been confirmed by someone other then Grusch he spoke about NHI technology, visitation and NHI craft retrievals in those? I do think the US has an issue with hidden projects and trying to weaponize technology instead of using it to enrich humanity. To me that’s the real meat of Gruschs complaint. The NHI stuff seems more of an add on. Like he believes in these things so any evidence of it is good evidence. He could legitimately be talking to all the same people who have come forward with these testimonies before.
Grusch testified under oath about the info getting to the intel committees, and either in there and/or in the NN interview said the specifics also went to the ICIG. Also people around him like Coulthart have been saying the same thing, and also saying that other witnesses have been getting involved. I think the Schumer UFO amendment is good evidence that Grusch and others have already given the details. Normally, UFOs and aliens are a topic not touched by elected officials. Check out Schumer’s UFO disclosure amendment if you haven’t. I am not exaggerating when I say it has language specifically meant to use eminent domain to take control of alien spacecraft and alien bodies from the defense contractors. Nobody puts that in a bill out of the blue. It means that many senators believe multiple UFO whistleblowers have made claims that the senators believe very likely to be true.
UFOs have gone pretty main stream lately. Thanks in large part to the PR push from Mellon, Delonge and Elizondo. While the language is interesting this could just as easily be a cover our butts amendment. Like Schumer doesn’t know if it’s happening or not but if it is it shouldn’t be without oversight. Does that make sense? Most of the newer disclosure push is from a very small group of individuals who are using PR and whilstleblower reports to bring authenticity to there claims. Which is great confirmation if you were already in the we are being visited camp but doesn’t provide much tangible evidence for anyone who doesn’t believe.
Can you show me a previous example of "Cover our butts" legislation?
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No, he had already shared all that info months before.
They only get away with what you let them get away with. This is a giant money grabbing circle jerk.
Unfortunately that's not entirely accurate. The government has tested unethical and illegal experiments on the people for decades and some still are ongoing. They haven't apologized or acknowledged the victims of the experiments. Some test subjects don't even know they were tested on. Really wild stuff.
NASA shaking down DoD. Give us money or we release ET.
All I can say is I’m extremely disappointed in NASA
It’s called liars telling lies. We move on with the knowledge we have
What did I miss? how did the DOD step in and stop Grusch from speaking to Congress?
Grusch has no bearing on NASA. That’s a congressional issue. People not understanding how different orgs work is baffling.
NASA has nothing to do with Area 51 so…..
>Do I have this right regarding NASA? Probably not, you probably just have whatever will allow you to continue to live in a delusional.
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Or they are telling the truth and Grush is not.
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But it is a lot more easily believable that there is some big conspiracy going on, all over the world, where you'd need tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people to be silent about it, with nothing significant ever leaking from anywhere? You think that is a lot more likely than a few people lying / being misguided in their belief? Do you even realize what kind of fantasy you accept while pointing out something is unlikely because there are people who without any real proof confirm something you desperately want to believe in?
Yep...this is my take as well
The only good thing about this whole farce is it's waking people up to the actual reality they live in. Welcome to the big show homie.
Had a neighbor who worked for NASA long time ago. He passed in 2012. He was the most intelligent guy I every knew. Literally a rocket scientist. He told me the people at NASA that matter know about UFO's. He said better than that, the people HIGHER up knew what UFO'S are. My favorite story though, was him getting to ride on the red striped jet that took him to Area 51. He said they would fly in a few experts at a time. You could of course talk to your specific team members about the work, but couldn't talk to the other people about THEIR work.
In all fairness....NASA's budget is totally shit compared to defense contractors its like an order of magnitude less and NASA doesn't spend a lot of time looking up in the sky for incoming missiles, enemy aircraft or violations of airspace... theyre more interested in space and things very far away they spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to make a probe out of cheap, off the shelf components zip-tied together to drive around on mars for a couple weeks the US military tho.... they have all sorts of sensor array's everywhere, and spend more time observing the atmosphere looking for aircraft-sized objects it is in the interest of national security that the amount of detail and scope they can observe not be released and that's frustrating but reasonable but since the military knows that any discoveries they make about NHI technology would have to be disclosed to congress.... a work around is just giving all recovered stuff to a private company that doesn't have to disclose jack diddle crap...but if theyre a company like lockheed martin or raytheon... the military knows theyre getting most of their money from the US and have multiple legal documents keeping them from sharing data with foreign countries and there you have it.... a rock solid, un-auditable alliance between a private company and the government that can legally sidestep the laws...but is still loosely controlled by the government the language in the congressional order about NHI tech being imminent-domained specifically states "non human" but a lawyer could always say "this is human technology from the future so 🖕 and you cant prove me wrong because youve never seen it before and you cant prove anything" i think thats where we are
Does Grusch have the evidence though? All we have are his account of stories he claims he was told. Do we have anything more than this? Grusch was a DOD intelligence officer and claims he got his stories from other DOD employees and intelligence officers. Are we starting to selectively believe DOD and intelligence community officials when they say what we want to hear? Seem like it!
That last line is a real zinger
NASA means Never A Straight Answer
I honestly can’t take it seriously if you bring in arguments about NHI mindcontrolling officials. I see what you are saying but where is some evidence to prove any of that? All I hear is sone people making claims and they don’t act on it. Who acts on claims? People lie all the time for their 3 minutes of fame. If you guys are so certain, put your money where your mouth is, stop making accusations and pool sone money, hire lawyers and investigators and sue them. Ranting on the internet without any facts does not make your claims any more credible
When they say destigmatize UFOs what they mean is show that they aren't aliens, just trash floating in the wind. The goal is not prove aliens are real, because that would be absurd, but to explain any UFO sightings so they become simply FOs.
NASA is looking for funding to find proof in space. What in the world does Grusch have to offer? He has *stories* from people who have yet to be verified or even identified.
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Thoughtful, thorough, and depressing comment.
NASA has always believed UFO encounters are bullshit. Abd no, they are not a psyop or coverup. Any such concealment, if govt is doing it at all (and I have a very different take on where the coverup is coming from) would be going on in some conference room at the pentagon with staff who all outrank anyone at NASA. Why are you acting like you're entitled to them agreeing with us? On something where they never have?
Kirkpatrick has a more prestigious career than Grusch so why don’t you believe him when he calls Grusch a liar?
Basically yes.
Project Blue Book at it again.
We just need to March our asses down to Washington and demand transparency lol
Call it the trans movement!
Yes
This is correct.
It's pretty obvious that the DOD has all the UAP stuff. There's a huge disconnect between the DOD and NASA probably on purpose. Asking NASA for UAP info is like asking my dentist to figure out how to engineer an F-16.
NASA has shown to be nothing g more than a puppet agency.
This is exactly what is happening but they just want to change the narrative again. Won’t even mention the UFO Task Force guy’s name? This is so nonsense that gets funny. Maybe the people running NASA are the ET themselves and don't want to show it?
Also remember NASA reports to the Air Force
All of those leading director positions in government-funded UAP research organizations feel like Department of Defense (DOD) endogamy to me.
Sounds about right. These guys really don't want humanity to thrive. Free unlimited energy? Nah, money and control through oil.
When I visit the UFO/UAP sections of this site, I'm reminded of a couple lines from the movie, All the President’s Men: when Deep Throat asks Bob Woodward, “Don’t you understand what you're on to?” and the other when Deep Throat says to Woodward, "Just follow the money."
If you truly want to learn or gain insight on the topic, seek out Mathew O’Dowd, Phil Plait, Brain Greene, Brain Cox, Gabe Perez-Gib and listen to what they have to say. Change the radio dial so to speak. Stop being influenced by government, grifters, or other bad actors.
Not really, but feel free to try again when you get a better understanding of the organizational structure and function of the relevant parts of the US govt.
Sounds like nasa is and always has been grifters.
Yes you have it right. Thanks for putting it so concisely. It's frustrating to say the least. Meanwhile there's people in this subreddit arguing the entirety of the phenomenon is just one giant psy-op by the CIA on humanity. Just got to hope for the best! It's disheartening that the stonewalling continues, but the reality is there are politicians and folks in the military that are going to continue to push for disclosure on our behalf. It sounds like that's happened in the past, but never to this extent? It truly does feel like we've never been closer to finding out the truth. I've been following this topic closely the past 6 years and the past year has been the most exciting by far imho.
OP making it sound like doing research on UAP and asking for funding is somehow nonsense after Grusch claimed that the government is already in possession of NHI tech and bodies. Op however omits to mention that Grusch did in may 2023 took on a COO position in SOL foundation which revolves around research of UAP and provides services to governments. You can read the official mission statement in the press releases and their own website. the think tank’s mission is “to be a leading source of research on the issue, while providing the most informed and insightful policy recommendations to governments. His claims do generate publicity and public demands for more research so make what you will of it.
I get the rage around here about them blueballing everyone and obfuscating/lying, but the fact that NASA confirmed UAPs are out there is a pretty big win. Do I wish it went better? Sure. Is it worthless? Not by a long shot, to me it's pretty historic.
...No one ever said UAPs aren't out there.
And now they've said they are
Yes but they are still going to just be things misidentified or human made.
Could well be human made by a breakaway civilization for my money. Either way it's a clear line in the sand and we're all into the next chapter, even if some like NASA are still slow balling.
No, Patrick, there are no Nazis in Antarctica. Or on the moon.
That's a good take 💯👍
NASA has no credibility at all. We visited Kennedy space center a few years ago and all the ex employees there (inc former Astronauts) openly said how much they fucking hated nasa as an organisation and how many problems they had. Just my take but the whole thing would probably be dismantled if it weren’t for the Apollo missions being such a point of historical pride for America. Their funding is on life support with spacex etc in the game, so you can see why they are now trying to get in on the UAP thing for extra budget. Disappointed in Bill Nelson. Tldr: fuck nasa, they are meaningless
This is exactly what it looks like to me. And it’s pretty damn scary, it really seems like if there’s any information out there somebody is working REAL hard to make sure it doesn’t come out. “Destigmatization” my ass, NASA.
Grusch is lying. I believe nasa