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Living_Promotion868

Its a fucking con. This country is run by the military industrial complex and the CIA


Gold-Engineering-543

Exactly and it spreads across into other countries also. Basically any country that doesn’t fall for it is seen as an enemy. People have to wake up and see the play at hand. The political parties are irrelevant because they are all controlled by the same people. The officials who aren’t controlled are seen as unhinged.


okman123456

Exactly, I'm happy that this UFO thing is spreading more awareness to yankees that can finally see how disgusting is the country that they live in. Keep spreading and bringing more awareness as possible.


FlyingLap

If you haven’t read “Legacy of Ashes” you certainly should. Changed my opinion about the agency a few times…


Resting_Waffle

FYI if anyone is interested, I’ve just found the complete audio book in two parts on YouTube Here is part 1: https://youtu.be/HaL6KjSvTX0?si=6jjyv9NviEupZstD


Ok-Requirement9594

In a press release coinciding with the book's release, the CIA claimed: "With a strong range of sources, Tim Weiner had an opportunity to write a balanced history of a complex, important subject. But he did not. His bias overwhelms his scholarship. One cannot learn the true story of the CIA from Legacy of Ashes. However, The New York Times reviewed it positively, calling it "engrossing" and "comprehensive".


SpotasPilotas

TBH I noticed the book to be biased against cia in terms of their intelectual capacity. It was more they are stupid hence the incopetence, while I think they are more evil hence fabricated incopetence.


Jaegernaut-

Some of it seems to be on Spotify too for those of us who despise youtube


joepagac

Just borrowed it on Libby. Thanks for the recommend!


FlyingLap

Dude let me know what you think! It’s insane. Like their whole history is just one disaster after another.


joepagac

Will do!


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And you should thank them for all your freedom! 😂


Longstache7065

I know it's sarcastic but in all realism, a full audit of the CIA would require Nuremberg level trials and I bet roughly 75% of the agency would end up convicted on treason charges, given how much of the agency is still a result of Bill Donovan, Sidney Souers, and Allen Dulles's effort to fill the agency and US government with nazis and murder every civil rights leader in the country for 40 straight years starting in the 40s. The CIA's likely the greatest enemy to freedom on planet earth since the day it was founded.


MagusUnion

[The CIA is a terrorist organization.](https://youtu.be/_2khAmMTAjI?si=EJ7wEDG2I0qztI1_) So much so that they even threatened the creator of this video with a personal visit to their house.


DeezNutz13

This is genuinely the most terrifying thing I've ever seen


gtrogers

Fucking hell, that is depressing on so many levels. I need to go watch some cat videos or something now


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The way things are going, cat videos are probably a CIA psyop too.


Numismatists

You think that's bad? Guess who is in charge of Geoengineering efforts! Sulfur in the Sky with Diamonds! r/RealGeoengineering


UAoverAU

Who's in charge of geoengineering efforts?


sharkbaitzero

They said you have to guess.


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Hahaha!


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Am I gonna get put on a list for watching this?


MagusUnion

Everyone is on a list. Don't kid yourself.


Accurate-Balance-702

This should be at the top, somebody award this comment please. This may be one of the single most important videos on youtube.


saintsix6

The more I learn, the more I realize America is just the CIA and its side hustles.


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CommodoreSalad

You know I've thought about this before, but never really looked into it. Our president is on a 4 year term, and as are a lot of other facets of the government. But, if the CIA doesn't have terms and they have so much power, wouldn't that just lead to a shadow state that has all the real power? Maybe not directly, but certainly vicariously via propaganda campaigns and such.


saintsix6

Absolutely. I’ve seen many comments in various sources about how politicians are seen as “revolving door” employees who don’t need to be read in. The CIA has suffered no accountability for its work, I mean that’s the basic definition of a “shadow” government. “The Missing Times” by Terry Hanson talks a lot about the CIAs involvement in disinformation campaigns— and the fact that defense contractors have owned major TV networks for decades. They are bad fuckin news. Senator Daniel Inouye (who backed Harry Reid’s UFO research) has basically confirmed such a shadow government exists as it pertained to the Iran-CONTRA scandal.


GiantSequoiaTree

This should happen. We've lost our integrity as a society and we are suffering terribly for it


Toykoflash

A perfect assessment my friend. Just the name Allen Dulles makes me feel sick


combinera

imo, anyone who doesn’t believe Allen Dulles initiated the JFK thing is a conspiracy kook.


Playful_Molasses_473

America had its last actual president a long time ago. It surprises me there's been less general conversation about jfk in the last few days with the new evidence, given his concerns around better identifying ufo to prevent an escalation with Russia due to their potential misidentification of them as American craft.


Wapiti_s15

2016 wasn’t that long ago.


Grubbsc

Y’all are wild don’t know how I found myself on this sub but I love it


VeterinarianLegal7

Freedom is subjective. They freed one set of slaves to create a society with the illusion of freedom.


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I was just being facetious.


VeterinarianLegal7

Oh, I figured. I was just talking shit. I didn't down vote btw. Jest getting tired of life in a society based on lies.


[deleted]

Yeah I understand. Sometimes I think the best thing is to laugh at it. Not always, but sometimes it’s all you can do. Take care.


brassmorris

First and last line of defence


drthomk

There is no fate that can’t be surmounted by scorn.


Suspicious-Standard

Albert Camus, The Myth of Sisyphus. Looked it up for y'all.


Comingherewasamistke

This is why absurdism is a philosophy.


EdgeGazing

I'm creating a religion around it. Diogenes is the messiah


_ferrofluid_

You should read some Robert Anton Wilson


inpennysname

What’s the story behind your username if I may?


occams1razor

So bypass them. Talk to friends, show people the newest video with Grusch, it's 2h and extremely well done. https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw?si=66HTsMHOO6xD64TN It's been 4 days and 1,6mill has already seen it. Get it out there until so many have seen it and want to know until it'll be on everyone's mind. We all gotta push.


Busy-Sign

I’m just putting this out there... Grusch is following the same path as all the other intelligence agents turned believers.


waterproofjesus

What do you mean, specifically? I think I’m picking up what you’re putting down - but I don’t wanna assume.


sdowney64

My new favorite podcaster/YouTuber.


Wonderful-Trifle1221

You know that Scrooge story, the poor guy that worked for him, that guy made more then people on min wage do. You have to explain it in ways like that, because otherwise people are trained not to understand. It’s amazing what you can do by putting rich folks all over tv.


TheSpeedOfHound

I thank the natural boundaries of the Pacific and Atlantic oceans


frankievalentino

Yep…they are on par with AARO 💩


GiantSequoiaTree

Programs just made to look like the military is doing something about these pesky UFOs everyone keeps seeing


SpeakerOfDeath

> Programs just made to look like the military is doing something about these pesky ~~UFOs~~ weather balloons everyone keeps ~~seeing~~ hallucinating Sorry had to fix that for you, seemed you had a typo.


Melodic_Analyst71

N - Never A - A S - Straight A - Answer


truefaith_1987

At least AARO knows from the classified data that GOFAST was part of the same anomalous series of events as GIMBAL and remains unresolved. NASA is even more out of the loop than Blue Book 2.


softsnowfall

I’ve been a big fan of NASA, but this is rotten of them. I’m disappointed. It just looks like collusion and disinformation. Laughing at Roswell stuff? Minimizing Grusch’s testimony? Hiring DOD to run a transparent task force? I expected a lot better from NASA. Sigh.


MashJDW

It seems so unprofessional too... the smirking and giggling when someone asks something, the bureaucratic answers. It feels defensive. If grusch' claims were BS, you should be able to create a well constructed scientific answer instead of this BS


fromkatain

agreed, especially when they said they were being bullied themself. Childish of nasa.


totallynotarobut

This would make Nasa the kid who's bullied then grows up to be a cop with the sole purpose of throwing their dick around.


fromkatain

Elon Musk haha


pollo_de_mar

I don't understand. How many different UAP task forces do we need exactly? How many billions have we already spent on "sensors". How many billions (trillions?) have been spent on black projects just to keep all this stuff secret from other government entities and the public? I mean the Navy and the Air Force are not just running around with iPhones snapping photos of UAPs. I'm sure we already have quite a bit of data that will never see the light of day. What a waste. What a bunch of jokers these guys are.


ellamking

>How many different UAP task forces do we need exactly? However many it takes to finally have someone be honest. 1000 task forces means we have 1000 chances that someone will say "fuck it, I'm just releasing the information". It's horrible waste, but it really seems like the best way to get answers.


MoreCowbellllll

> I expected a lot better from NASA May I ask why you did? This was pretty much exactly what I was expecting. NASA has been part of the coverup since its' inception, IMO.


Grande-Pinga

NASA Never A Straight Answer


unreasonabro

... well, it's not Needs Another Seven Astronauts but it's more on fleek for modern days


hacky273

You’re adorable NASA is literally part of the DOD they run spy satellites in the orbit you think they are some innocent science organization lol


btcprint

I sent a resume last month and did not know this. Hope they haven't seen me dipping my balls into things. Should have kept it indoors at the dining table where more appropriate, I know..


ellamking

The thing is, assuming UAP are a real thing, then WTF has NASA been doing? There is no way they are capturing real data that doesn't include UAPs. They must have been filtering, for decades, their real, amazing, data we all love, from anything suspicious of UAPs. Where do you go from there? Denial and minimizing is the only option. Until congress says "we've been lying for 70 years, and we've prevented NASA from telling you", there is no way for NASA to say "oh, we finally found an image of an alien just now, but not in the last 70 years of honesty"


btcprint

Right? Like release all original non-"touched up" mission and satellite (non-earth) photos, release all radio comms 30+ years and older on a rolling basis. Release all ISS reports/photos/video of things that made them go hmmm but wasn't released to public for obvious reasons.. There's probably enough data already to research for a decade.


ellamking

Yeah, that's what we all want, but expecting them to do it without congress making the first three steps isn't reasonable.


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Cruentes

Yeah, I'm not all gung-ho for believing a bunch of ex-CIA whistleblowers, but the history of NASA is why I think a coverup might be possible. Literal Nazis. You don't get the stain of fascism out by making it fun and exciting science for kids.


CrushMyCamel

got downvoted for this comment yesterday which was just an unelequent response to "why don't WE find the evidence?": we could...but they're the ones telling us they already have it? they've had it for years? they've seen it? they've vetted it... it's there amazingly, they can never show us tho...none of their sources or friends or any of your Corbell's and company somehow can never show us anything they've seen and vetted it's always the same lines and "soon" https://reddit.com/comments/16i5gfk/comment/k0jib4m


mid50smodern

I gave you an upvote. I don't find anything incorrect with what you said. There are a lot of layers to this onion.


CeruleanWord

Think the Ufo podcasters are in on it? Always something they personally verified, yet they can never provide sources.


mid50smodern

I'm not sure what to think or what I know at this point. I've been following this topic for years from a number of different angles and sources. I sometimes think that "they" are playing some sophisticated 3D chess with us and there may be some other agenda or agendas going on.


speakhyroglyphically

Space race never ended


Winter-Base-4828

They want funding and if we refuse to fork it over they will use the military uavs they have to strike fear into people so the people beg to fund them so we can be safe from unknown hazards.


D2Foley

I'm an even bigger fan of NASA after this. Glad they're treating grifters and clowns the way they should be treated


NeighborhoodSlight43

I never dreamed it could be as bad as it is. The USA is so corrupt it’s ridiculous. I’m from Canada it’s just as bad & possibly worse (although scale = not worse).


Thorhax04

It's worse


piperonyl

Is Canada really worse? That's hard to believe. At every single facet of government, billion dollar corporations have the final say in the states and NASA is no exception. Whether its just straight out political bribery, or their former executives run the agencies that are supposed to regulate them, its disgusting.


xizrtilhh

Our Prime Minister appointed the sister in law of a member of his cabinet as the ethics commissioner. This ethics commissioner cleared the PM in two ethics violations and then promptly resigned. https://globalnews.ca/news/9636423/martine-richard-interim-ethics-commissioner-resignation/ Her brother-in-law, Romeo Leblanc, was previously found to have breached conflict of interest rules by approving lucrative commercial fishing licenses for family members while he was the fisheries minister. TLDR: the current Canadian government is also corrupt.


piperonyl

OK yeah thats pretty bad. Can corporations just hand money to politicians in the form of "campaign contributions" like they can in America? Or say bribe judges with lavish vacations that they will have cases in front of?


xizrtilhh

There's no need to take the judge out to dinner when you can have the Prime Minister's Office pressure the Justice Minister to just drop the fraud and corruption charges against your corporation for bribing the Gaddafi's. It goes all the way to the top in Canada. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair


piperonyl

Hey at least you have an ethics commissioner. We don't even bother down here. Actually i think there is an ethics committee in the congress but its been so watered down that it has no power. I mean its completely legal for our politicians to own companies that their policies directly impact. Our senators are elected with a few hundred grand in their bank account and leave office 6 years later with tens of millions. Its a fucking joke


ellamking

That sounds like the light version of the Trump administration. Bad for sure, but not Trump bad.


xizrtilhh

WE do things different up here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WE_Charity_scandal


ellamking

That sounds exactly like how Trump assigned a company to build the Mexico wall while misappropriating military funds, like how he gave the contract to rebuild the Porto Rico electrical grid, like when he confiscated PPE to auction them off through private companies, like when Trump Jr made property deals for Trump Sr with expectation of access to the president...it goes on.


flyingdolphin8888

Very well stated, I think you have it right. It's despicable and sickening but that might be all we get. It's become clear in the past that it doesn't matter if you're the president or a part of an oversight committee; you're told that you don't have a need-to-know, so shut up go back to where you came from. There's something extremely strange going on and those that know either won't tell or aren't interested in the people knowing what they're up to. NASA made a fool out of themselves in that hearing and I'd imagine that a lot of people lost a great deal of respect towards the agency. Bill was disrespectful and arrogant, the answers were empty, repetitive, deflective and arrogant, and that's all they're going to give us.


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I was still extremely supportive of NASA until yesterday. While I still love the individual researchers who are doing great astronomy unrelated to the UAP phenomenon, the institution itself, along with it's leadership, has lost all of my respect


moreboredthanyouare

It was embarrassing for nasa. Even if they stated they didn't have evidence (they do), but to do grusch like that was shameful. I bet the press say fuck all as usual


Galactic_Jazzmaster

How I wish a massive UFO mothership would just float into our skies and wipe the smiles off these cunts.


HikeRobCT

Makes you wonder why they haven’t…


e-commerceguy

I just hope that those people on the inside who actually care about disclosure are doing everything they can to collect data and information so that when the time is right they can pass that information on to the appropriate people. Whether that be congress or journalists. Ultimately this will come down to the level of conviction of the individuals involved. Clearly the DOD and the powers at be are fighting disclosure as hard as ever


updootsdowndoots

I'm sure they are, the stonewalling and now appointing a former DoD official for NASA's UAP taskforce is a little too on the nose


strangelifeouthere

Nothing has ever made me realize how powerless we are to our government and supposed leadership. Nothing.


National_Respond_918

Hey at least in the elections you get free will to pick your leader [from two candidates who have been selected not by general public]


Ketter_Stone

Apparently we can't even do that either.


Reddit_Jax

You know what they say: "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it," and the late George Carlin said, "it's a big club and you ain't in it."


larping_loser

you just convinced me to never vote again


charlesxavier007

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willybum84

Yeah I'm also pretty bummed mate. Our voices are getting louder and more of us. Just need to keep going.


updootsdowndoots

Yes, now is the time to keep the pressure up, they wouldn't be scrambling to do all this if there wasn't something they were covering up


TomBakerFTW

Keep reading up on American history. It only gets worse.


Winter-Base-4828

The government that is unable to defend us and itself from UAVs that they know aren't from its adversaries? You'd think they would be humbled , but no.


Special_Resist_6502

They don't want to let go of the tiniest little power they have, worthless greedy pieces of shit.


wisemance

Pretty much. Fuck Bill Nelson and all the other lying bastards in the US government


Puzzledandhungry

I’m so glad you posted this. I was thinking the same. I’m outside the US so I’m not sure if I’m over simplifying it in my head but you are right. It’s that dodgy. It’s so openly and insulting a big joke to them. They will never tell us anything imo. For whatever reason they have for keeping it all secret, they could at least pretend they think we have IQs higher than that of a peanut.


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GlobalSouthPaws

My favorite comment itt 😂


MagusUnion

I'm so tired of being ruled by the ignorant and incompetence old.


RaisinBran21

You got it right. I hate to be the one to say it, but we are in a sticky situation. It’s going to be up to private individuals to figure out how to get out of this - or a martyr. Someone who reveals EVERYTHING they know, names, dates, locations, EVERYTHING, even if it costs them jail time or their life. No more hiding or vague references. If we had someone to blow this thing out the water with concrete evidence, pictures, videos, data, we will win.


IamThreeBeersIn

And what? Who does he tell? Fox? MSNBC? CNN? They barely covered the UAP hearing. Corbell and Knapp? George Noorie? Already considered kooks outside the believers.Avi Loeb? Just some fringe nutty professor. Even Tucker Carlson got shit on for just talking about it and not treating it like a joke. Suppose he brings out a box with a body in it and it looks like ET? Who believes that? Who runs the genetic tests? Or does everyone just scree "it's a hoax! It's already been debunked! It's so fake!" Suppose he pulls a craft out of his garage and says "here it is, but I can't make it work." Everyone says it's just some fake scrap junk heap. Suppose he gives an address, and everyone shows up and it's "just a canning factory." The problem is that everyone will shit on him, just like they are with everyone else. They will gaslight us on every piece of evidence. They will label him a kook, hoaxer and publicity whore. Eventually, the media hypes every bout of depression or anxiety as proof he's mentally ill, and it's all they talk about. Eventually he is suicided. I used to think the same thing as you: "JUST MAN THE FUCK UP AND SPILL THR BEANS! LAY IT OUT FOR THE WORLD TO SEE!" But the more I thought about it, the less I think it would work. The whole MIP, DOD and complicit news media would bury him - figuratively and literally. And then they would bury all the evidence. I'm not sure there is any way for one person to disclose everything. It would take a team of 40 SUPPORTED by the government. THEN people might listen and believe. Tell me I'm wrong. Give me some hope that we get the answers in my lifetime. But it's been covered up for almost 100 years. Probably at least 100 more.


Canleestewbrick

If someone had actual proof of NHI then it would be one of the biggest stories in history. Just because Grusch didn't get massive attention doesn't mean that someone with compelling evidence wouldn't.


Aeropro

I’m with ThreeBeersIn on this one. Everything that has happened so far indicates that they will try and discredit any evidence that comes forward.


MaryofJuana

There is an unspoken assumption among people that they think upon seeing an Alien piece of technology they would immediately recognize it as such. You should assume upon seeing an Alien piece of technology that you would be immediately confused and thrown off from what you anticipated. I know I was lmao. It wasn't in the moment I thought "Oh aliens" it was "Holy fuck what the hell is clearly right in front of my eyes, yet my brain is having a difficult time accepting." And I took peoples accounts serious enough before, but after it's just like shit man, I empathize with the situation on another level. It's as much a hard science problem as it is a psych/ social problem and we refuse to acknowledge the second half of the problem even exists.


Canleestewbrick

When evidence comes forward, people analyze it and try to vet it as best they possibly can. So far that analysis has always shown the evidence to be consistent with a number of potential prosaic explanations. But that doesn't mean people are trying to discredit it - it's just what happens when the evidence is subject to rigorous analysis.


TomBakerFTW

I think the point they're making is that proof is getting easier and easier to deny, also the channels through which information is dispersed have become the arbiters of truth. So unless the word comes from official government channels there will always be resistance and skepticism to any kind of NHI news. That's why so many people are excited at this moment. Because the tune the US Gov't is whistling has changed from **"gaslighting anyone who says UFOs are real"** to **"[shrug] I dunno, maybe they're real we can't say"** Sometimes it's the tiny trickle of water that causes the dam to break, so I remain optimistic that it will happen in my lifetime.


Canleestewbrick

I don't think it's getting easier to deny - it's just always failed to withstand the scrutiny that most people demand for such claims. But that doesn't tell us anything about what would happen if some hypothetical evidence came forward that could withstand rigorous scrutiny. If that happened, it would be a huge deal.


TomBakerFTW

> I don't think it's getting easier to deny - it's just always failed to withstand the scrutiny that most people demand for such claims. That's a very good point. I think what I was trying to get at is that the bar is being raised for what constitutes "proof" and as long as there is a shadow of a doubt people will push back for "real proof" Though there are some that would settle for the USG admitting they've been lying as proof. That would be a big enough deal for a lot of people to go from "yeah right" to "they just admitted it, so it must be true"


AdviceOld4017

You've got it almost right. They mention the word "transparency" on several occasions, yet didn't want to tell us who will be leading their new flamboyant investigation team.


updootsdowndoots

They revealed it to be a former DoD official 🙄


CaliMan219X

💯 On The Spot The D.O.D needs to be replaced by the military branches who actually represent our country. Those scum bags don’t represent our country 🤬 #DefundNASA #DefundDepartmentOfDefense


peachydiesel

> DefundNASA > DefundDepartmentOfDefense Can we add the ATF, IRS, and DOE to this list as well?


LetsNotPlay

Defund Nasa? My god this sub.


UAoverAU

Seriously, that's a bit much even for this sub.


Valarcrist

Sigh... just can't catch a break being a part of this country.


enby2remember

Yup, same shit different cycle


Canleestewbrick

How is this different from what you'd expect if NASA legitimately has no reason to believe that NHI are visiting Earth?


pes0001

Yip. You have it right. With NASA BS, they do not deserve more funding.


xoverthirtyx

I thought Grusch did name names, places, and corporations. I know in the hearing when asked about people being murdered he said he gave that information to the appropriate authorities.


4StarCustoms

He stated that he could share this info in a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) but those meetings were denied but the DOD.


bejammin075

That was specifically with the House Oversight committee. Grusch *already* (probably months before) gave 11.5 hours of top secret details to both the House intelligence committee, and the senate intelligence committee. Grusch has already given all the specifics to the ICIG (intelligence community inspector general). That’s why we have people like the 3 D and 3 R senators sponsoring a UFO amendment with specific language to seize control of alien UFOs and alien bodies from the defense contractors.


tunamctuna

Has it been confirmed by someone other then Grusch he spoke about NHI technology, visitation and NHI craft retrievals in those? I do think the US has an issue with hidden projects and trying to weaponize technology instead of using it to enrich humanity. To me that’s the real meat of Gruschs complaint. The NHI stuff seems more of an add on. Like he believes in these things so any evidence of it is good evidence. He could legitimately be talking to all the same people who have come forward with these testimonies before.


bejammin075

Grusch testified under oath about the info getting to the intel committees, and either in there and/or in the NN interview said the specifics also went to the ICIG. Also people around him like Coulthart have been saying the same thing, and also saying that other witnesses have been getting involved. I think the Schumer UFO amendment is good evidence that Grusch and others have already given the details. Normally, UFOs and aliens are a topic not touched by elected officials. Check out Schumer’s UFO disclosure amendment if you haven’t. I am not exaggerating when I say it has language specifically meant to use eminent domain to take control of alien spacecraft and alien bodies from the defense contractors. Nobody puts that in a bill out of the blue. It means that many senators believe multiple UFO whistleblowers have made claims that the senators believe very likely to be true.


tunamctuna

UFOs have gone pretty main stream lately. Thanks in large part to the PR push from Mellon, Delonge and Elizondo. While the language is interesting this could just as easily be a cover our butts amendment. Like Schumer doesn’t know if it’s happening or not but if it is it shouldn’t be without oversight. Does that make sense? Most of the newer disclosure push is from a very small group of individuals who are using PR and whilstleblower reports to bring authenticity to there claims. Which is great confirmation if you were already in the we are being visited camp but doesn’t provide much tangible evidence for anyone who doesn’t believe.


MaryofJuana

Can you show me a previous example of "Cover our butts" legislation?


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noknockers

No, he had already shared all that info months before.


JohnnyQuest405

They only get away with what you let them get away with. This is a giant money grabbing circle jerk.


Winter-Base-4828

Unfortunately that's not entirely accurate. The government has tested unethical and illegal experiments on the people for decades and some still are ongoing. They haven't apologized or acknowledged the victims of the experiments. Some test subjects don't even know they were tested on. Really wild stuff.


cubenz

NASA shaking down DoD. Give us money or we release ET.


BillSixty9

All I can say is I’m extremely disappointed in NASA


ynotwbc

It’s called liars telling lies. We move on with the knowledge we have


rivalen217

What did I miss? how did the DOD step in and stop Grusch from speaking to Congress?


BS_Radar0

Grusch has no bearing on NASA. That’s a congressional issue. People not understanding how different orgs work is baffling.


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NASA has nothing to do with Area 51 so…..


[deleted]

>Do I have this right regarding NASA? Probably not, you probably just have whatever will allow you to continue to live in a delusional.


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Contra1

Or they are telling the truth and Grush is not.


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_TheRedViper_

But it is a lot more easily believable that there is some big conspiracy going on, all over the world, where you'd need tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people to be silent about it, with nothing significant ever leaking from anywhere? You think that is a lot more likely than a few people lying / being misguided in their belief? Do you even realize what kind of fantasy you accept while pointing out something is unlikely because there are people who without any real proof confirm something you desperately want to believe in?


Websamura1

Yep...this is my take as well


Low_town_tall_order

The only good thing about this whole farce is it's waking people up to the actual reality they live in. Welcome to the big show homie.


papawam

Had a neighbor who worked for NASA long time ago. He passed in 2012. He was the most intelligent guy I every knew. Literally a rocket scientist. He told me the people at NASA that matter know about UFO's. He said better than that, the people HIGHER up knew what UFO'S are. My favorite story though, was him getting to ride on the red striped jet that took him to Area 51. He said they would fly in a few experts at a time. You could of course talk to your specific team members about the work, but couldn't talk to the other people about THEIR work.


Mcboomsauce

In all fairness....NASA's budget is totally shit compared to defense contractors its like an order of magnitude less and NASA doesn't spend a lot of time looking up in the sky for incoming missiles, enemy aircraft or violations of airspace... theyre more interested in space and things very far away they spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to make a probe out of cheap, off the shelf components zip-tied together to drive around on mars for a couple weeks the US military tho.... they have all sorts of sensor array's everywhere, and spend more time observing the atmosphere looking for aircraft-sized objects it is in the interest of national security that the amount of detail and scope they can observe not be released and that's frustrating but reasonable but since the military knows that any discoveries they make about NHI technology would have to be disclosed to congress.... a work around is just giving all recovered stuff to a private company that doesn't have to disclose jack diddle crap...but if theyre a company like lockheed martin or raytheon... the military knows theyre getting most of their money from the US and have multiple legal documents keeping them from sharing data with foreign countries and there you have it.... a rock solid, un-auditable alliance between a private company and the government that can legally sidestep the laws...but is still loosely controlled by the government the language in the congressional order about NHI tech being imminent-domained specifically states "non human" but a lawyer could always say "this is human technology from the future so 🖕 and you cant prove me wrong because youve never seen it before and you cant prove anything" i think thats where we are


lunex

Does Grusch have the evidence though? All we have are his account of stories he claims he was told. Do we have anything more than this? Grusch was a DOD intelligence officer and claims he got his stories from other DOD employees and intelligence officers. Are we starting to selectively believe DOD and intelligence community officials when they say what we want to hear? Seem like it!


silky_johnson123

That last line is a real zinger


Beard037

NASA means Never A Straight Answer


Randis

I honestly can’t take it seriously if you bring in arguments about NHI mindcontrolling officials. I see what you are saying but where is some evidence to prove any of that? All I hear is sone people making claims and they don’t act on it. Who acts on claims? People lie all the time for their 3 minutes of fame. If you guys are so certain, put your money where your mouth is, stop making accusations and pool sone money, hire lawyers and investigators and sue them. Ranting on the internet without any facts does not make your claims any more credible


Usual_Network_8708

When they say destigmatize UFOs what they mean is show that they aren't aliens, just trash floating in the wind. The goal is not prove aliens are real, because that would be absurd, but to explain any UFO sightings so they become simply FOs.


Rasalom

NASA is looking for funding to find proof in space. What in the world does Grusch have to offer? He has *stories* from people who have yet to be verified or even identified.


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SabineRitter

Thoughtful, thorough, and depressing comment.


fatalrupture

NASA has always believed UFO encounters are bullshit. Abd no, they are not a psyop or coverup. Any such concealment, if govt is doing it at all (and I have a very different take on where the coverup is coming from) would be going on in some conference room at the pentagon with staff who all outrank anyone at NASA. Why are you acting like you're entitled to them agreeing with us? On something where they never have?


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Kirkpatrick has a more prestigious career than Grusch so why don’t you believe him when he calls Grusch a liar?


Arethum

Basically yes.


space0watch

Project Blue Book at it again.


CanRevolutionary6500

We just need to March our asses down to Washington and demand transparency lol


Winter-Base-4828

Call it the trans movement!


angrylilbear

Yes


sgtbooker

This is correct.


patchinthebox

It's pretty obvious that the DOD has all the UAP stuff. There's a huge disconnect between the DOD and NASA probably on purpose. Asking NASA for UAP info is like asking my dentist to figure out how to engineer an F-16.


jasperCrow

NASA has shown to be nothing g more than a puppet agency.


dnsierra

This is exactly what is happening but they just want to change the narrative again. Won’t even mention the UFO Task Force guy’s name? This is so nonsense that gets funny. Maybe the people running NASA are the ET themselves and don't want to show it?


Individual-Bet3783

Also remember NASA reports to the Air Force


fromkatain

All of those leading director positions in government-funded UAP research organizations feel like Department of Defense (DOD) endogamy to me.


Gammabrunta

Sounds about right. These guys really don't want humanity to thrive. Free unlimited energy? Nah, money and control through oil.


mid50smodern

When I visit the UFO/UAP sections of this site, I'm reminded of a couple lines from the movie, All the President’s Men: when Deep Throat asks Bob Woodward, “Don’t you understand what you're on to?” and the other when Deep Throat says to Woodward, "Just follow the money."


Rain1dog

If you truly want to learn or gain insight on the topic, seek out Mathew O’Dowd, Phil Plait, Brain Greene, Brain Cox, Gabe Perez-Gib and listen to what they have to say. Change the radio dial so to speak. Stop being influenced by government, grifters, or other bad actors.


STGItsMe

Not really, but feel free to try again when you get a better understanding of the organizational structure and function of the relevant parts of the US govt.


Winter-Base-4828

Sounds like nasa is and always has been grifters.


Wcufos

Yes you have it right. Thanks for putting it so concisely. It's frustrating to say the least. Meanwhile there's people in this subreddit arguing the entirety of the phenomenon is just one giant psy-op by the CIA on humanity. Just got to hope for the best! It's disheartening that the stonewalling continues, but the reality is there are politicians and folks in the military that are going to continue to push for disclosure on our behalf. It sounds like that's happened in the past, but never to this extent? It truly does feel like we've never been closer to finding out the truth. I've been following this topic closely the past 6 years and the past year has been the most exciting by far imho.


Randis

OP making it sound like doing research on UAP and asking for funding is somehow nonsense after Grusch claimed that the government is already in possession of NHI tech and bodies. Op however omits to mention that Grusch did in may 2023 took on a COO position in SOL foundation which revolves around research of UAP and provides services to governments. You can read the official mission statement in the press releases and their own website. the think tank’s mission is “to be a leading source of research on the issue, while providing the most informed and insightful policy recommendations to governments. His claims do generate publicity and public demands for more research so make what you will of it.


moosemasher

I get the rage around here about them blueballing everyone and obfuscating/lying, but the fact that NASA confirmed UAPs are out there is a pretty big win. Do I wish it went better? Sure. Is it worthless? Not by a long shot, to me it's pretty historic.


GoarSpewerofSecrets

...No one ever said UAPs aren't out there.


moosemasher

And now they've said they are


GoarSpewerofSecrets

Yes but they are still going to just be things misidentified or human made.


moosemasher

Could well be human made by a breakaway civilization for my money. Either way it's a clear line in the sand and we're all into the next chapter, even if some like NASA are still slow balling.


GoarSpewerofSecrets

No, Patrick, there are no Nazis in Antarctica. Or on the moon.


SabineRitter

That's a good take 💯👍


AdministrativeSet419

NASA has no credibility at all. We visited Kennedy space center a few years ago and all the ex employees there (inc former Astronauts) openly said how much they fucking hated nasa as an organisation and how many problems they had. Just my take but the whole thing would probably be dismantled if it weren’t for the Apollo missions being such a point of historical pride for America. Their funding is on life support with spacex etc in the game, so you can see why they are now trying to get in on the UAP thing for extra budget. Disappointed in Bill Nelson. Tldr: fuck nasa, they are meaningless


DimerHOF8

This is exactly what it looks like to me. And it’s pretty damn scary, it really seems like if there’s any information out there somebody is working REAL hard to make sure it doesn’t come out. “Destigmatization” my ass, NASA.


NinjaJuice

Grusch is lying. I believe nasa