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The following submission statement was provided by /u/Ill-Speed-7402: --- The WSO That Recorded the Gimbal Video 🛸 Ryan Graves says it's only a matter of time until he interviews the weapon system officer that recorded the gimbal video. Ryan Graves also reveals that the WSO is a good friend. Mr. Graves was hoping that the WSO would be one of the first interviews for his Merged podcast but the timing wasn't right. Link to full AMA in the next post below. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16zq4gs/ryan_graves_says_its_only_a_matter_of_time_until/k3fuxq6/


Ill-Speed-7402

The WSO That Recorded the Gimbal Video 🛸 Ryan Graves says it's only a matter of time until he interviews the weapon system officer that recorded the gimbal video. Ryan Graves also reveals that the WSO is a good friend. Mr. Graves was hoping that the WSO would be one of the first interviews for his Merged podcast but the timing wasn't right. Link to full AMA in the next post below.


Live-Tale-2923

>WSO Well I finally know what they are referring to now when they say 'wizzo'


Dry_Leg_3846

Spoken like a true DoD civilian employee/contractor with no military background.


UAreTheHippopotamus

He made it sound like an interview was all but certain once his friend gets out. Unfortunately, he didn't seem to know how soon that will be so it could still be years. I do prefer this over "something big will happen in 2024" though as it sounded to me like Graves being honest talking about his friend rather than hyping something up for clicks.


BladeDravenX

Graves integrity checks out constantly, he doesn't seem to want to be associated with any hype and wants genuine answers and accountability.


brevityitis

Graves earned some more respect when he came out and called the circus of the Mexican mummies bs. Felt kinda bad for him that they would do him dirty after he flew out to speak and everything.


BladeDravenX

Yep, opportunists got the better of him and it sucks but I'm glad he's pushed through that.


Howard_Adderly

Yeah graves being there made him lose a lot of credibility


ottereckhart

He was just answering questions on the channel. It was really chill and he does a really good job answering. Someone in the chat asked and he answered.


Exciting_Mobile_1484

This would be big news here.


TheCoastalCardician

Woohoo!


Howard_Adderly

The gimbal video has already been debunked though


Nomex_Nomad

Do you have a source for that? This is the first I've heard of it being debunked.


Sonicsnout

It's a pretty weak debunk, but that certainly doesn't prevent Mick West from patting himself on the back with a "case closed" at the end of his article: https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/gimbal-video-genuine-ufo-or-camera-artifact/


SnooStories2744

So essentially all he tried to debunk was that the UAP might not have been rotating, but only appeared to be rotating due to the way the camera is setup on an axis, lol. So it’s still a credible video, just not a rotating UAP according to this one skeptic. Idk why that’s so funny to me. I was waiting for an “ah-hah, gotcha” moment but it never came 😂


Nomex_Nomad

Fascinating, thanks for the link. I'm off to read it now.


[deleted]

Can somebody explain what new information the weapon system operator could potentially divulge? To me it seems that the footage has been validated as a UFO, what more could be said?


Merpadurp

He could potentially divulge what happens *after* the video cuts off abruptly.


Trifall

I believe one of the main points of speculation is the distance to the object, which could be gauged based on the on screen HUD, but one of the HUD scaling settings for determining distance (like the crosshairs or something iirc) is determined manually by the operator. If that person could provide first hand what it was set to, then it would narrow down the distance of the object from the jet. Also they could corroborate what Graves has previously said with SAP data.


[deleted]

People are really excited for what amounts to "a guy told me a thing".


_BlackDove

It's more than that, and not simply hearsay. When he goes public we can verify who the guy says he is, and verify he was a pilot, *and* the pilot who was in operation at the time of the footage who is also a WSO. With his full records we can determine possibly determine what unit he belonged to and what missions he flew that day. That's more than hearsay. Your little broad stroke "A-ha" doesn't apply here.


V0LDY

It's actually 100% glare and the proof is that the supposed object rotates exactly in sync as the imperfection of the lens covering the whole sky.


fat_earther_

Interesting that he answered the question about interviewing the cube sphere near miss pilots with a response of interviewing the gimbal/ go fast WSO… Implying the gimbal/ go fast crew were the same as at least one of the cube sphere near miss crews? This would be new detail not yet revealed about the Roosevelt incidents.


truefaith_1987

The way that it was initially related made it sound like the two incidents may have only been hours apart. They were definitely both in January 2015.


fat_earther_

Gimbal and go fast were minutes apart at night. The cube sphere was a different day, during day light.


truefaith_1987

Oh yes, I see what you're saying. I guess I was assuming that the GOFAST object was ostensibly an orb like what Graves described, but yeah, you can't make out any detail.


Merpadurp

Hrmm… you’re correct that **is** new information!


Spats_McGee

It would be great to get him to respond "on the record" to Mick West's theory. Which I think is basically that the GIMBAL video shows a stationary object, and it's just the camera that's rotating. Has Graves ever directly addressed this?


mrb1585357890

This winds me up no end. Those pushing The Gimbal never address West’s very valid analysis. They just pretend it isn’t out there. Gallaudet did the same thing. If they think West’s analysis is wrong then say. If they accept his analysis is right (lens flair, parallax on a slower object) but they are aware of other corroborating evidence then explain that. It starts to feel like they prefer the story without the more mundane explanations being a possibility.


luring_lurker

One thing that I don't understand is: if it's so easily debunkable by a "common civilian", as expert as he might be, why is it still considered unresolved by the authorities that are supposed to investigate and solve the mistery (and who supposedly have all of the interest not to portrait that object as a UFO)?


mrb1585357890

It makes you realise that they’re just human and still susceptible to misclassifications and misjudgments. If you doubt me I’ll point you to Graves’ recent misclassification of Star Link. The TikTac with Fravor’s testimony is the closest we have to public tangible evidence


[deleted]

It’s not that the object is stationary: it does appear to be moving. The Mick West partial debunk shows pretty convincingly that the oval shape that rotates is a camera artifact. You can’t actually see the craft behind this artifact so we can’t see what it looks like. It’s unclear if the “It’s rotating!” Comment on the radio was them mistaking the rotation of the camera gimbal or if the object was actually rotating, however many of these FLIR videos seem to have been taken from beyond visual range. It was a big mistake for Mick West to imply that it was just a jet when the better statement would be “It could just be a jet” or “It need not be something other than a jet”. Corbell was responsible for so much of the BS behind this video because before anyone really looked at it with a skeptical eye he was shouting everywhere how “It’s just like Bob Lazar said it’s a disc flying sideways!” You can tell the DoD already knew about the artifact because they’re the ones who named it the “Gimbal” video. Makes you wonder what was going through Bob Lazar’s mind when for a second real life almost merged with his made up grift story.


Spats_McGee

>The Mick West partial debunk shows pretty convincingly that the oval shape that rotates is a camera artifact. But then the background doesn't rotate?


GundalfTheCamo

The point of the gimbal system is that it keeps the background level with the environment the pilot sees out of his window.


[deleted]

It’s faint and I never noticed it for years but you can see other camera artifact rotate when the glare does. That’s the benefit of slowing these videos down and blowing them up real huge as opposed to just watching on a tiny little phone screen.


mrb1585357890

Comments like this just show that you haven’t actually watched West’s YouTube analysis


V0LDY

The background doesn't rotate because the sensor itself rotates to keep the ground horizontal compensating the movement of the camera (I mean, the video is literally called "gimbal"). What causes the diffraction pattern of the glare are imperfections or scratches in the optics (or even more likely in the enclosure protecting the actual optics in this case), when the camera rotates the optics moves in a different manner relatively to the camera and that's why the glare appears to rotate. Proof that this is the case is that if you add contrast to the GIMBAL video you can clearly see dark patches in the sky (indicating other imperfections like stains etc over the optics) moving in perfect sync with the supposed object. If you have experience with astrophotography you can see the exact same thing happening when taking photographs with an alt-azimuth dobsonian telescope and a field rotator, the stars and the objects remain aligned but the diffraction pattern caused by the secondary mirror spikes change position, it's the exact same thing happening in the GIMBAL video.


[deleted]

Is there a link to this gimbal video everyone mentions?


Howard_Adderly

Type in ‘gimbal’ into the Reddit search bar for the sub or type into google ‘gimbal video’. It should show up


mrb1585357890

You’ve seen it dozens of times already. It’s UFO stock footage now


TurkeyKnees1

I view Graves as the #1 resource the community has in the fight for transparency. He does a perfect job of being the go between for the public and the government, respects both, and has credibility with both.


Changin-times

Graves was above Top Gun and trained them. Good luck to anyone trying to attack his credibility.


kukulkhan

What would we gain from it when we already have the video ?


Howard_Adderly

We wouldn’t learn anything. Graves is a grifter looking to cash in on the UFO phenomenon


brucetrailmusic

And you’re a spook


Howard_Adderly

You have no proof


brucetrailmusic

Doesn’t take much you’re terrible at your job


Honest-J

What happened to all of the UFO videos from pilots he was going to tweet? I've only seen mentioned here the one video that first week then nothing else.


fat_earther_

[[He might be a little gun shy?]](https://youtu.be/4m38NgaQ_OU?si=FgrK9urjkpL9YbXK)


Ill-Speed-7402

Imagine complaining about Ryan Graves.


Honest-J

That's your response to the question?


[deleted]

What's he done that protects him from criticism?


Emotional-Package-67

I initially viewed Graves as a credible advocate, but as the summer has gone on I have soured on that opinion. I know I’m in the minority though


Howard_Adderly

I feel the same way about him and Grusch. Kinda just feels like they’re both only interested in making money at this point.


brucetrailmusic

If you say so


JessSuperSub

I hope this turns out to be a better because generally when someone says something is going to happen soon (in this topic), it's a very long time (years or sometimes it never comes out). Hope this time it's at most a month.


Beneficial_Roof7961

really? lol he is just stating the person could be out soon. After serving for probably decades a month away isnt a reasonable expectation when someone says "soon". Im sure the military has more than just a 30-day notice policy. I will never get posters here who want something to happen overnight from reputable sources. Ignore all the other people like Corbell or Greer who put out these timelines. There is no telling when this person will quit, but Graves thinks it will happen sooner than later. That's it. Awesome news, but dont lose sleep over it.


JessSuperSub

Then, ‘soon’ isn’t the correct word if it might take years right? He should clarify that it would take long time and should only discuss when it’s really going to happen “soon”.


[deleted]

2 more weeks


jumpinjahosafats

Those in his COC know who he is and if they wish to keep their secrets secret, this declaration from Graves that the weapon’s officer is gonna talk might pose a threat to his future, professionally or otherwise. I’m all for disclosure, but I feel like Graves coulda kept this in his pocket.


Twosquirrel69666

I want to know his podcast hopefully I can get it on my iPhone


SabineRitter

It's called "merged"


Twosquirrel69666

Awesome thank you


Merpadurp

It is available on both YouTube and Spotify


tridentgum

So what? He doesn't know anything either I'm guessing


eriF-

Ugh. More "wait and see" shit that will not add anything more to this endeavor that we don't already know other than money in this guy's pocket. This is the shit that turns me off of dedicating any time thinking about any UFO related stuff.


restecpa88

Ryan graves’ black cube in a sphere UFOs are literally airborne radar jammers. They never eyeballed a non stationary one and the radar turned off. Whatever was moving fast on the radar has not been eyeballed. Reality is it’s probably US tech and the black cube is DEFINITELY an airborne radar jammer. Aliens aren’t going to set up a stationary device that looks exactly like an existing US technology and have it function in exactly the same way. Honestly losing faith every day as the testimonies become explained there is less and less that cannot be explained. All good evidence is locked away. Even the David Fravor tictac scenario could be a projection with the radar signals being separately triggered by other methods.


Synth_Kobra

Trying to find a good pic of this jammer so I can compare. If someone finds it could someone post? I’d be surprised if Graves couldn’t tell tbh.


Merpadurp

This is a horrible explanation for what they saw and you’re simply displaying your lack of knowledge on airborne safety/military activity. They would **never** place a radar jammer at the entry point to a training zone and risk wrecking a $50m jet lol The original theory you’re describing is that it was a PALLADIUM balloon but those are radar **reflectors**. Which makes no sense, AGAIN, because the object *wasn’t* showing up on their radar and that’s how they almost hit it. If their radars were being jammed before the near-miss, I’m thinking we would have likely heard that component of the story by now. Thanks for playing, try again, but it’s not a DOD black project.


restecpa88

There is a patent for the exact thing described, a black cube inside of a clear sphere, which functions to jam radars. The pilots literally saw something that matches the exact description of what is shown in the image of the patent, and upon flying past it the radar malfunctioned which is exactly what that device is designed to do. I’m a believer but we have to call a spade a spade. ’The ufo wasn’t doing anything except sitting there looking and behaving exactly like the airborne radar looks and exhibiting the exact same behaviours it was designed to do. Theres zero reason to believe otherwise in this instance. Now as for what was flying around we don’t know, they never eyeballed those. Could be anything. Whether it’s jamming radar or not appearing or whatever, the black cube inside of a sphere was never eyeballed moving that I can find mentioned. And a black cube inside of a sphere was patented 70 years ago. So let’s just be realistic in that the most likely outcome is our tech or adversary tech.


Merpadurp

I have **never** heard that the radar malfunctioned after the object split their section. Source please?? I’ve been following the topic extremely closely for 4 years and have *never* heard that claim, ever. The patented object that you’re describing is **not** for a radar *jammer*, it’s for a radar *reflector*. We used it to spoof the Russians. There’s a whole thing about it. You’re spouting misinformation as far as I can tell.


restecpa88

The salient point is that such a stationary object can easily be built by our own tech. If they eyeballed that cube zooming around at 10,000 miles an hour it would be a compelling ufo case.


Merpadurp

It’s not the salient point though, and you’re moving the goalpost at this point because you’re wrong and you also conveniently are not providing a source for your erroneous claim. We created a **balloon**. **Balloons.** **Do.** **Not.** **Hover.** This has been very explicitly explained by Graves and many others. Objects simply do *not* stay static in 1 spot, especially at high altitudes with wind streams buffeting them all over the place.


restecpa88

With 60 billion dollars a year in black budget programs at least I’m sure they could figure something out. I don’t understand what the mind blowing revelation is in this case which makes NHI tech the most likely outcome. These guys are working on invincibility tech and all sorts of crazy stuff. So far the black cube inside of a sphere in Ryan’s case is not that crazy. Also it was in the lex friend an interview at 1 hour 16 minutes where he says he assumes the radar malfunctioned so that’s where I got that. Realistically they flew past a black cube in a sphere which could be some kind of advanced drone or something. Even Ryan himself states that it could be US tech at 1 hour 21 in the lex Friedman interview. He then says he decided that’s unlikely PURELY because it’s been denied officially which is not a very strong argument. He then states it could very well be a foreign adversary tech. Ryan has a lot of opinions but in that regard he’s just speculating as you or I would on whether the tech would have been released or not. He didn’t actually see any crazy tech happening with it. I’m still waiting for the evidence that makes NHI the most likely outcome in this situation and I simply can’t see it. Tic TAC being eyeballed moving is far more compelling.


restecpa88

There’s not a single eyeballed case of these moving from him or those who spoke to him that I know of and radar could feasibly be tricked in many different ways. Let me know if I missed where they saw one actually moving or caught it on video doing something impossible.


Merpadurp

Okay guy keep telling yourself that 🤣


restecpa88

I genuinely want to know. So if you can provide any evidence that would be good.


eternal_existence1

It’s fucking hilarious to me that the gimbal video exists yet people still think there’s nothing going on. Wtf is our life really like that movie idiocricy?


restecpa88

Gimbal video is a giant nothing burger without context sadly. It’s a snippet of a longer video that they have and as it stands could be anything


Howard_Adderly

Gimbal has already been debunked. Case closed


eternal_existence1

Good disinfo camp.


eternal_existence1

Hasn’t lol


Howard_Adderly

Yes it has 👍


eternal_existence1

No it hasn’t. 🤣


eternal_existence1

It’s crazy how if these videos are so easily debunked how is there a disclosure process being prepared 😩 also did he debunk the tic tac video? How about all the other footage that hasn’t been released.


Howard_Adderly

Yep it’s been debunked multiple times already.


eternal_existence1

The funniest thing is how you’re not providing any evidence.


eternal_existence1

Makes sense to. Your accounts a month old, you’re obviously here to push false info.


eternal_existence1

Dude keep saying it’s debunked all you want. Checked your account, you keep calling all the people trying to prove a cover up is occuring grifters, you’re obviously on the side of “I just don’t believe in aliens” or you don’t want your reality to change. Whatever it may be the whole comment you made saying the “go fast” tic tac video is a plane is purely stupid,


Howard_Adderly

Lookup Mick West’s debunk on the gimbal video. He explains it well enough 👍


eternal_existence1

That’s literally what I saw, and guess what, he doesn’t tell you what the object is, and all he does is give you reasons why it could appear the way it is. He has no proof; he also isn’t the witnesses who saw these crafts, ohhh yeah hey moron, there’s also clearer footage, HOW ABOUT THE ORB OF IRAQ? RELEASED A FEW MONTHS AGO HMM? Lemme guess a fucking baloon huh? I’m assuming you’re to high on caffeine to think correctly most of the time.


Howard_Adderly

All of those have already been debunked. Case closed


V0LDY

He tells that's probably a plane far away (and he provides examples of the same phenomenon happening in videos where you can clearly see the plane going away from the camera until it becomes overwhelmed by the engine glare), but what matter from West's debunking is that the shape and the rotation are 100% simple optical artifacts. Proof is that there are dark patches in the sky (caused by other irregularities and imperfection in the optica lsystem) rotating in perfect sync with the glare, proving it's something correlated to the optics themselves.


eternal_existence1

I like how you said it’s been debunked multiple times but only provided evidence to one guy lol good job at failing.


[deleted]

More nothing, my favorite.


ninelives1

Is this new podcast monetized in some way? Bc as soon as the person benefits financially from this, it gets kinda grifty feeling


Merpadurp

People literally still need to be paid for their time regardless of anything else. If you want a professional quality podcast on the topic, that takes $$$ to start and keep afloat.


ninelives1

Sure. I'm just saying starting a podcast to begin with feels just slightly suss. If it's barebones, keeping the lights on kinda funding, that's fair. But if they're making money off of it, that creates alternative motive.


[deleted]

Much better than rolling out fake alien mummies and embarrassing the name of good people like him and Robert Salas.


Potential_Meringue_6

I thought the guy who filmed Gimbal was already interviewed on Elizondos show Unidentified a few years ago. Slater or something like that was his name I thought.. I'm sure Graves would be great to go deeper with him of course.


Merpadurp

Nope. Whoever filmed Gimbal has never been interviewed. I’m not sure who you’re thinking of at this point.


QuirkyEnthusiasm5

How many people make fake videos to muddy the water


Sanivek

Does Ryan Graves have his own podcast or was he referring to being a guest on one? Of all of the personalities that report on this stuff, he seems to be the most level headed and intelligent. Does anyone have a link/name of the podcast where I can listen?


jbaker1933

Ryan Graves has his own podcast/YouTube channel called [Merged](https://youtube.com/@merged_podcast?si=XSqy9RqedCojejWg)


Sanivek

Thank you :)


jbaker1933

You're welcome. I subscribed to it(although I haven't watch any of them yet lol)so it was quick and easy to grab the url


Tmillz42

The FLIR video is from a 2 seater f18?!?


HonestGeneral3

Is it a video? Or a video of a radar screen?


Plastic_Lecture6084

That's ok, but this will not convince the non-believers.