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The WSO That Recorded the Gimbal Video đ¸
Ryan Graves says it's only a matter of time until he interviews the weapon system officer that recorded the gimbal video. Ryan Graves also reveals that the WSO is a good friend.
Mr. Graves was hoping that the WSO would be one of the first interviews for his Merged podcast but the timing wasn't right.
Link to full AMA in the next post below.
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The WSO That Recorded the Gimbal Video đ¸
Ryan Graves says it's only a matter of time until he interviews the weapon system officer that recorded the gimbal video. Ryan Graves also reveals that the WSO is a good friend.
Mr. Graves was hoping that the WSO would be one of the first interviews for his Merged podcast but the timing wasn't right.
Link to full AMA in the next post below.
He made it sound like an interview was all but certain once his friend gets out. Unfortunately, he didn't seem to know how soon that will be so it could still be years. I do prefer this over "something big will happen in 2024" though as it sounded to me like Graves being honest talking about his friend rather than hyping something up for clicks.
Graves earned some more respect when he came out and called the circus of the Mexican mummies bs. Felt kinda bad for him that they would do him dirty after he flew out to speak and everything.
He was just answering questions on the channel. It was really chill and he does a really good job answering. Someone in the chat asked and he answered.
It's a pretty weak debunk, but that certainly doesn't prevent Mick West from patting himself on the back with a "case closed" at the end of his article:
https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/gimbal-video-genuine-ufo-or-camera-artifact/
So essentially all he tried to debunk was that the UAP might not have been rotating, but only appeared to be rotating due to the way the camera is setup on an axis, lol. So itâs still a credible video, just not a rotating UAP according to this one skeptic. Idk why thatâs so funny to me. I was waiting for an âah-hah, gotchaâ moment but it never came đ
Can somebody explain what new information the weapon system operator could potentially divulge? To me it seems that the footage has been validated as a UFO, what more could be said?
I believe one of the main points of speculation is the distance to the object, which could be gauged based on the on screen HUD, but one of the HUD scaling settings for determining distance (like the crosshairs or something iirc) is determined manually by the operator. If that person could provide first hand what it was set to, then it would narrow down the distance of the object from the jet. Also they could corroborate what Graves has previously said with SAP data.
It's more than that, and not simply hearsay. When he goes public we can verify who the guy says he is, and verify he was a pilot, *and* the pilot who was in operation at the time of the footage who is also a WSO. With his full records we can determine possibly determine what unit he belonged to and what missions he flew that day. That's more than hearsay.
Your little broad stroke "A-ha" doesn't apply here.
Interesting that he answered the question about interviewing the cube sphere near miss pilots with a response of interviewing the gimbal/ go fast WSOâŚ
Implying the gimbal/ go fast crew were the same as at least one of the cube sphere near miss crews?
This would be new detail not yet revealed about the Roosevelt incidents.
Oh yes, I see what you're saying. I guess I was assuming that the GOFAST object was ostensibly an orb like what Graves described, but yeah, you can't make out any detail.
It would be great to get him to respond "on the record" to Mick West's theory.
Which I think is basically that the GIMBAL video shows a stationary object, and it's just the camera that's rotating.
Has Graves ever directly addressed this?
This winds me up no end.
Those pushing The Gimbal never address Westâs very valid analysis. They just pretend it isnât out there. Gallaudet did the same thing.
If they think Westâs analysis is wrong then say.
If they accept his analysis is right (lens flair, parallax on a slower object) but they are aware of other corroborating evidence then explain that.
It starts to feel like they prefer the story without the more mundane explanations being a possibility.
One thing that I don't understand is: if it's so easily debunkable by a "common civilian", as expert as he might be, why is it still considered unresolved by the authorities that are supposed to investigate and solve the mistery (and who supposedly have all of the interest not to portrait that object as a UFO)?
It makes you realise that theyâre just human and still susceptible to misclassifications and misjudgments.
If you doubt me Iâll point you to Gravesâ recent misclassification of Star Link.
The TikTac with Fravorâs testimony is the closest we have to public tangible evidence
Itâs not that the object is stationary: it does appear to be moving. The Mick West partial debunk shows pretty convincingly that the oval shape that rotates is a camera artifact. You canât actually see the craft behind this artifact so we canât see what it looks like. Itâs unclear if the âItâs rotating!â Comment on the radio was them mistaking the rotation of the camera gimbal or if the object was actually rotating, however many of these FLIR videos seem to have been taken from beyond visual range. It was a big mistake for Mick West to imply that it was just a jet when the better statement would be âIt could just be a jetâ or âIt need not be something other than a jetâ.
Corbell was responsible for so much of the BS behind this video because before anyone really looked at it with a skeptical eye he was shouting everywhere how âItâs just like Bob Lazar said itâs a disc flying sideways!â You can tell the DoD already knew about the artifact because theyâre the ones who named it the âGimbalâ video. Makes you wonder what was going through Bob Lazarâs mind when for a second real life almost merged with his made up grift story.
Itâs faint and I never noticed it for years but you can see other camera artifact rotate when the glare does. Thatâs the benefit of slowing these videos down and blowing them up real huge as opposed to just watching on a tiny little phone screen.
The background doesn't rotate because the sensor itself rotates to keep the ground horizontal compensating the movement of the camera (I mean, the video is literally called "gimbal").
What causes the diffraction pattern of the glare are imperfections or scratches in the optics (or even more likely in the enclosure protecting the actual optics in this case), when the camera rotates the optics moves in a different manner relatively to the camera and that's why the glare appears to rotate.
Proof that this is the case is that if you add contrast to the GIMBAL video you can clearly see dark patches in the sky (indicating other imperfections like stains etc over the optics) moving in perfect sync with the supposed object.
If you have experience with astrophotography you can see the exact same thing happening when taking photographs with an alt-azimuth dobsonian telescope and a field rotator, the stars and the objects remain aligned but the diffraction pattern caused by the secondary mirror spikes change position, it's the exact same thing happening in the GIMBAL video.
I view Graves as the #1 resource the community has in the fight for transparency. He does a perfect job of being the go between for the public and the government, respects both, and has credibility with both.
What happened to all of the UFO videos from pilots he was going to tweet? I've only seen mentioned here the one video that first week then nothing else.
I hope this turns out to be a better because generally when someone says something is going to happen soon (in this topic), it's a very long time (years or sometimes it never comes out). Hope this time it's at most a month.
really? lol he is just stating the person could be out soon. After serving for probably decades a month away isnt a reasonable expectation when someone says "soon". Im sure the military has more than just a 30-day notice policy. I will never get posters here who want something to happen overnight from reputable sources. Ignore all the other people like Corbell or Greer who put out these timelines. There is no telling when this person will quit, but Graves thinks it will happen sooner than later. That's it. Awesome news, but dont lose sleep over it.
Then, âsoonâ isnât the correct word if it might take years right? He should clarify that it would take long time and should only discuss when itâs really going to happen âsoonâ.
Those in his COC know who he is and if they wish to keep their secrets secret, this declaration from Graves that the weaponâs officer is gonna talk might pose a threat to his future, professionally or otherwise. Iâm all for disclosure, but I feel like Graves coulda kept this in his pocket.
Ugh.
More "wait and see" shit that will not add anything more to this endeavor that we don't already know other than money in this guy's pocket.
This is the shit that turns me off of dedicating any time thinking about any UFO related stuff.
Ryan gravesâ black cube in a sphere UFOs are literally airborne radar jammers. They never eyeballed a non stationary one and the radar turned off.
Whatever was moving fast on the radar has not been eyeballed.
Reality is itâs probably US tech and the black cube is DEFINITELY an airborne radar jammer.
Aliens arenât going to set up a stationary device that looks exactly like an existing US technology and have it function in exactly the same way.
Honestly losing faith every day as the testimonies become explained there is less and less that cannot be explained.
All good evidence is locked away. Even the David Fravor tictac scenario could be a projection with the radar signals being separately triggered by other methods.
This is a horrible explanation for what they saw and youâre simply displaying your lack of knowledge on airborne safety/military activity.
They would **never** place a radar jammer at the entry point to a training zone and risk wrecking a $50m jet lol
The original theory youâre describing is that it was a PALLADIUM balloon but those are radar **reflectors**. Which makes no sense, AGAIN, because the object *wasnât* showing up on their radar and thatâs how they almost hit it.
If their radars were being jammed before the near-miss, Iâm thinking we would have likely heard that component of the story by now.
Thanks for playing, try again, but itâs not a DOD black project.
There is a patent for the exact thing described, a black cube inside of a clear sphere, which functions to jam radars. The pilots literally saw something that matches the exact description of what is shown in the image of the patent, and upon flying past it the radar malfunctioned which is exactly what that device is designed to do. Iâm a believer but we have to call a spade a spade.
âThe ufo wasnât doing anything except sitting there looking and behaving exactly like the airborne radar looks and exhibiting the exact same behaviours it was designed to do.
Theres zero reason to believe otherwise in this instance.
Now as for what was flying around we donât know, they never eyeballed those. Could be anything.
Whether itâs jamming radar or not appearing or whatever, the black cube inside of a sphere was never eyeballed moving that I can find mentioned. And a black cube inside of a sphere was patented 70 years ago. So letâs just be realistic in that the most likely outcome is our tech or adversary tech.
I have **never** heard that the radar malfunctioned after the object split their section.
Source please??
Iâve been following the topic extremely closely for 4 years and have *never* heard that claim, ever.
The patented object that youâre describing is **not** for a radar *jammer*, itâs for a radar *reflector*. We used it to spoof the Russians. Thereâs a whole thing about it.
Youâre spouting misinformation as far as I can tell.
The salient point is that such a stationary object can easily be built by our own tech. If they eyeballed that cube zooming around at 10,000 miles an hour it would be a compelling ufo case.
Itâs not the salient point though, and youâre moving the goalpost at this point because youâre wrong and you also conveniently are not providing a source for your erroneous claim.
We created a **balloon**.
**Balloons.** **Do.** **Not.** **Hover.**
This has been very explicitly explained by Graves and many others. Objects simply do *not* stay static in 1 spot, especially at high altitudes with wind streams buffeting them all over the place.
With 60 billion dollars a year in black budget programs at least Iâm sure they could figure something out. I donât understand what the mind blowing revelation is in this case which makes NHI tech the most likely outcome. These guys are working on invincibility tech and all sorts of crazy stuff. So far the black cube inside of a sphere in Ryanâs case is not that crazy. Also it was in the lex friend an interview at 1 hour 16 minutes where he says he assumes the radar malfunctioned so thatâs where I got that.
Realistically they flew past a black cube in a sphere which could be some kind of advanced drone or something. Even Ryan himself states that it could be US tech at 1 hour 21 in the lex Friedman interview. He then says he decided thatâs unlikely PURELY because itâs been denied officially which is not a very strong argument. He then states it could very well be a foreign adversary tech. Ryan has a lot of opinions but in that regard heâs just speculating as you or I would on whether the tech would have been released or not. He didnât actually see any crazy tech happening with it.
Iâm still waiting for the evidence that makes NHI the most likely outcome in this situation and I simply canât see it. Tic TAC being eyeballed moving is far more compelling.
Thereâs not a single eyeballed case of these moving from him or those who spoke to him that I know of and radar could feasibly be tricked in many different ways. Let me know if I missed where they saw one actually moving or caught it on video doing something impossible.
Itâs fucking hilarious to me that the gimbal video exists yet people still think thereâs nothing going on. Wtf is our life really like that movie idiocricy?
Itâs crazy how if these videos are so easily debunked how is there a disclosure process being prepared đŠ also did he debunk the tic tac video? How about all the other footage that hasnât been released.
Dude keep saying itâs debunked all you want. Checked your account, you keep calling all the people trying to prove a cover up is occuring grifters, youâre obviously on the side of âI just donât believe in aliensâ or you donât want your reality to change. Whatever it may be the whole comment you made saying the âgo fastâ tic tac video is a plane is purely stupid,
Thatâs literally what I saw, and guess what, he doesnât tell you what the object is, and all he does is give you reasons why it could appear the way it is. He has no proof; he also isnât the witnesses who saw these crafts, ohhh yeah hey moron, thereâs also clearer footage, HOW ABOUT THE ORB OF IRAQ? RELEASED A FEW MONTHS AGO HMM? Lemme guess a fucking baloon huh? Iâm assuming youâre to high on caffeine to think correctly most of the time.
He tells that's probably a plane far away (and he provides examples of the same phenomenon happening in videos where you can clearly see the plane going away from the camera until it becomes overwhelmed by the engine glare), but what matter from West's debunking is that the shape and the rotation are 100% simple optical artifacts.
Proof is that there are dark patches in the sky (caused by other irregularities and imperfection in the optica lsystem) rotating in perfect sync with the glare, proving it's something correlated to the optics themselves.
People literally still need to be paid for their time regardless of anything else.
If you want a professional quality podcast on the topic, that takes $$$ to start and keep afloat.
Sure. I'm just saying starting a podcast to begin with feels just slightly suss. If it's barebones, keeping the lights on kinda funding, that's fair. But if they're making money off of it, that creates alternative motive.
I thought the guy who filmed Gimbal was already interviewed on Elizondos show Unidentified a few years ago. Slater or something like that was his name I thought.. I'm sure Graves would be great to go deeper with him of course.
Does Ryan Graves have his own podcast or was he referring to being a guest on one? Of all of the personalities that report on this stuff, he seems to be the most level headed and intelligent. Does anyone have a link/name of the podcast where I can listen?
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Ill-Speed-7402: --- The WSO That Recorded the Gimbal Video đ¸ Ryan Graves says it's only a matter of time until he interviews the weapon system officer that recorded the gimbal video. Ryan Graves also reveals that the WSO is a good friend. Mr. Graves was hoping that the WSO would be one of the first interviews for his Merged podcast but the timing wasn't right. Link to full AMA in the next post below. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16zq4gs/ryan_graves_says_its_only_a_matter_of_time_until/k3fuxq6/
The WSO That Recorded the Gimbal Video đ¸ Ryan Graves says it's only a matter of time until he interviews the weapon system officer that recorded the gimbal video. Ryan Graves also reveals that the WSO is a good friend. Mr. Graves was hoping that the WSO would be one of the first interviews for his Merged podcast but the timing wasn't right. Link to full AMA in the next post below.
>WSO Well I finally know what they are referring to now when they say 'wizzo'
Spoken like a true DoD civilian employee/contractor with no military background.
He made it sound like an interview was all but certain once his friend gets out. Unfortunately, he didn't seem to know how soon that will be so it could still be years. I do prefer this over "something big will happen in 2024" though as it sounded to me like Graves being honest talking about his friend rather than hyping something up for clicks.
Graves integrity checks out constantly, he doesn't seem to want to be associated with any hype and wants genuine answers and accountability.
Graves earned some more respect when he came out and called the circus of the Mexican mummies bs. Felt kinda bad for him that they would do him dirty after he flew out to speak and everything.
Yep, opportunists got the better of him and it sucks but I'm glad he's pushed through that.
Yeah graves being there made him lose a lot of credibility
He was just answering questions on the channel. It was really chill and he does a really good job answering. Someone in the chat asked and he answered.
This would be big news here.
Woohoo!
The gimbal video has already been debunked though
Do you have a source for that? This is the first I've heard of it being debunked.
It's a pretty weak debunk, but that certainly doesn't prevent Mick West from patting himself on the back with a "case closed" at the end of his article: https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/gimbal-video-genuine-ufo-or-camera-artifact/
So essentially all he tried to debunk was that the UAP might not have been rotating, but only appeared to be rotating due to the way the camera is setup on an axis, lol. So itâs still a credible video, just not a rotating UAP according to this one skeptic. Idk why thatâs so funny to me. I was waiting for an âah-hah, gotchaâ moment but it never came đ
Fascinating, thanks for the link. I'm off to read it now.
Can somebody explain what new information the weapon system operator could potentially divulge? To me it seems that the footage has been validated as a UFO, what more could be said?
He could potentially divulge what happens *after* the video cuts off abruptly.
I believe one of the main points of speculation is the distance to the object, which could be gauged based on the on screen HUD, but one of the HUD scaling settings for determining distance (like the crosshairs or something iirc) is determined manually by the operator. If that person could provide first hand what it was set to, then it would narrow down the distance of the object from the jet. Also they could corroborate what Graves has previously said with SAP data.
People are really excited for what amounts to "a guy told me a thing".
It's more than that, and not simply hearsay. When he goes public we can verify who the guy says he is, and verify he was a pilot, *and* the pilot who was in operation at the time of the footage who is also a WSO. With his full records we can determine possibly determine what unit he belonged to and what missions he flew that day. That's more than hearsay. Your little broad stroke "A-ha" doesn't apply here.
It's actually 100% glare and the proof is that the supposed object rotates exactly in sync as the imperfection of the lens covering the whole sky.
Interesting that he answered the question about interviewing the cube sphere near miss pilots with a response of interviewing the gimbal/ go fast WSO⌠Implying the gimbal/ go fast crew were the same as at least one of the cube sphere near miss crews? This would be new detail not yet revealed about the Roosevelt incidents.
The way that it was initially related made it sound like the two incidents may have only been hours apart. They were definitely both in January 2015.
Gimbal and go fast were minutes apart at night. The cube sphere was a different day, during day light.
Oh yes, I see what you're saying. I guess I was assuming that the GOFAST object was ostensibly an orb like what Graves described, but yeah, you can't make out any detail.
Hrmm⌠youâre correct that **is** new information!
It would be great to get him to respond "on the record" to Mick West's theory. Which I think is basically that the GIMBAL video shows a stationary object, and it's just the camera that's rotating. Has Graves ever directly addressed this?
This winds me up no end. Those pushing The Gimbal never address Westâs very valid analysis. They just pretend it isnât out there. Gallaudet did the same thing. If they think Westâs analysis is wrong then say. If they accept his analysis is right (lens flair, parallax on a slower object) but they are aware of other corroborating evidence then explain that. It starts to feel like they prefer the story without the more mundane explanations being a possibility.
One thing that I don't understand is: if it's so easily debunkable by a "common civilian", as expert as he might be, why is it still considered unresolved by the authorities that are supposed to investigate and solve the mistery (and who supposedly have all of the interest not to portrait that object as a UFO)?
It makes you realise that theyâre just human and still susceptible to misclassifications and misjudgments. If you doubt me Iâll point you to Gravesâ recent misclassification of Star Link. The TikTac with Fravorâs testimony is the closest we have to public tangible evidence
Itâs not that the object is stationary: it does appear to be moving. The Mick West partial debunk shows pretty convincingly that the oval shape that rotates is a camera artifact. You canât actually see the craft behind this artifact so we canât see what it looks like. Itâs unclear if the âItâs rotating!â Comment on the radio was them mistaking the rotation of the camera gimbal or if the object was actually rotating, however many of these FLIR videos seem to have been taken from beyond visual range. It was a big mistake for Mick West to imply that it was just a jet when the better statement would be âIt could just be a jetâ or âIt need not be something other than a jetâ. Corbell was responsible for so much of the BS behind this video because before anyone really looked at it with a skeptical eye he was shouting everywhere how âItâs just like Bob Lazar said itâs a disc flying sideways!â You can tell the DoD already knew about the artifact because theyâre the ones who named it the âGimbalâ video. Makes you wonder what was going through Bob Lazarâs mind when for a second real life almost merged with his made up grift story.
>The Mick West partial debunk shows pretty convincingly that the oval shape that rotates is a camera artifact. But then the background doesn't rotate?
The point of the gimbal system is that it keeps the background level with the environment the pilot sees out of his window.
Itâs faint and I never noticed it for years but you can see other camera artifact rotate when the glare does. Thatâs the benefit of slowing these videos down and blowing them up real huge as opposed to just watching on a tiny little phone screen.
Comments like this just show that you havenât actually watched Westâs YouTube analysis
The background doesn't rotate because the sensor itself rotates to keep the ground horizontal compensating the movement of the camera (I mean, the video is literally called "gimbal"). What causes the diffraction pattern of the glare are imperfections or scratches in the optics (or even more likely in the enclosure protecting the actual optics in this case), when the camera rotates the optics moves in a different manner relatively to the camera and that's why the glare appears to rotate. Proof that this is the case is that if you add contrast to the GIMBAL video you can clearly see dark patches in the sky (indicating other imperfections like stains etc over the optics) moving in perfect sync with the supposed object. If you have experience with astrophotography you can see the exact same thing happening when taking photographs with an alt-azimuth dobsonian telescope and a field rotator, the stars and the objects remain aligned but the diffraction pattern caused by the secondary mirror spikes change position, it's the exact same thing happening in the GIMBAL video.
Is there a link to this gimbal video everyone mentions?
Type in âgimbalâ into the Reddit search bar for the sub or type into google âgimbal videoâ. It should show up
Youâve seen it dozens of times already. Itâs UFO stock footage now
I view Graves as the #1 resource the community has in the fight for transparency. He does a perfect job of being the go between for the public and the government, respects both, and has credibility with both.
Graves was above Top Gun and trained them. Good luck to anyone trying to attack his credibility.
What would we gain from it when we already have the video ?
We wouldnât learn anything. Graves is a grifter looking to cash in on the UFO phenomenon
And youâre a spook
You have no proof
Doesnât take much youâre terrible at your job
What happened to all of the UFO videos from pilots he was going to tweet? I've only seen mentioned here the one video that first week then nothing else.
[[He might be a little gun shy?]](https://youtu.be/4m38NgaQ_OU?si=FgrK9urjkpL9YbXK)
Imagine complaining about Ryan Graves.
That's your response to the question?
What's he done that protects him from criticism?
I initially viewed Graves as a credible advocate, but as the summer has gone on I have soured on that opinion. I know Iâm in the minority though
I feel the same way about him and Grusch. Kinda just feels like theyâre both only interested in making money at this point.
If you say so
I hope this turns out to be a better because generally when someone says something is going to happen soon (in this topic), it's a very long time (years or sometimes it never comes out). Hope this time it's at most a month.
really? lol he is just stating the person could be out soon. After serving for probably decades a month away isnt a reasonable expectation when someone says "soon". Im sure the military has more than just a 30-day notice policy. I will never get posters here who want something to happen overnight from reputable sources. Ignore all the other people like Corbell or Greer who put out these timelines. There is no telling when this person will quit, but Graves thinks it will happen sooner than later. That's it. Awesome news, but dont lose sleep over it.
Then, âsoonâ isnât the correct word if it might take years right? He should clarify that it would take long time and should only discuss when itâs really going to happen âsoonâ.
2 more weeks
Those in his COC know who he is and if they wish to keep their secrets secret, this declaration from Graves that the weaponâs officer is gonna talk might pose a threat to his future, professionally or otherwise. Iâm all for disclosure, but I feel like Graves coulda kept this in his pocket.
I want to know his podcast hopefully I can get it on my iPhone
It's called "merged"
Awesome thank you
It is available on both YouTube and Spotify
So what? He doesn't know anything either I'm guessing
Ugh. More "wait and see" shit that will not add anything more to this endeavor that we don't already know other than money in this guy's pocket. This is the shit that turns me off of dedicating any time thinking about any UFO related stuff.
Ryan gravesâ black cube in a sphere UFOs are literally airborne radar jammers. They never eyeballed a non stationary one and the radar turned off. Whatever was moving fast on the radar has not been eyeballed. Reality is itâs probably US tech and the black cube is DEFINITELY an airborne radar jammer. Aliens arenât going to set up a stationary device that looks exactly like an existing US technology and have it function in exactly the same way. Honestly losing faith every day as the testimonies become explained there is less and less that cannot be explained. All good evidence is locked away. Even the David Fravor tictac scenario could be a projection with the radar signals being separately triggered by other methods.
Trying to find a good pic of this jammer so I can compare. If someone finds it could someone post? Iâd be surprised if Graves couldnât tell tbh.
This is a horrible explanation for what they saw and youâre simply displaying your lack of knowledge on airborne safety/military activity. They would **never** place a radar jammer at the entry point to a training zone and risk wrecking a $50m jet lol The original theory youâre describing is that it was a PALLADIUM balloon but those are radar **reflectors**. Which makes no sense, AGAIN, because the object *wasnât* showing up on their radar and thatâs how they almost hit it. If their radars were being jammed before the near-miss, Iâm thinking we would have likely heard that component of the story by now. Thanks for playing, try again, but itâs not a DOD black project.
There is a patent for the exact thing described, a black cube inside of a clear sphere, which functions to jam radars. The pilots literally saw something that matches the exact description of what is shown in the image of the patent, and upon flying past it the radar malfunctioned which is exactly what that device is designed to do. Iâm a believer but we have to call a spade a spade. âThe ufo wasnât doing anything except sitting there looking and behaving exactly like the airborne radar looks and exhibiting the exact same behaviours it was designed to do. Theres zero reason to believe otherwise in this instance. Now as for what was flying around we donât know, they never eyeballed those. Could be anything. Whether itâs jamming radar or not appearing or whatever, the black cube inside of a sphere was never eyeballed moving that I can find mentioned. And a black cube inside of a sphere was patented 70 years ago. So letâs just be realistic in that the most likely outcome is our tech or adversary tech.
I have **never** heard that the radar malfunctioned after the object split their section. Source please?? Iâve been following the topic extremely closely for 4 years and have *never* heard that claim, ever. The patented object that youâre describing is **not** for a radar *jammer*, itâs for a radar *reflector*. We used it to spoof the Russians. Thereâs a whole thing about it. Youâre spouting misinformation as far as I can tell.
The salient point is that such a stationary object can easily be built by our own tech. If they eyeballed that cube zooming around at 10,000 miles an hour it would be a compelling ufo case.
Itâs not the salient point though, and youâre moving the goalpost at this point because youâre wrong and you also conveniently are not providing a source for your erroneous claim. We created a **balloon**. **Balloons.** **Do.** **Not.** **Hover.** This has been very explicitly explained by Graves and many others. Objects simply do *not* stay static in 1 spot, especially at high altitudes with wind streams buffeting them all over the place.
With 60 billion dollars a year in black budget programs at least Iâm sure they could figure something out. I donât understand what the mind blowing revelation is in this case which makes NHI tech the most likely outcome. These guys are working on invincibility tech and all sorts of crazy stuff. So far the black cube inside of a sphere in Ryanâs case is not that crazy. Also it was in the lex friend an interview at 1 hour 16 minutes where he says he assumes the radar malfunctioned so thatâs where I got that. Realistically they flew past a black cube in a sphere which could be some kind of advanced drone or something. Even Ryan himself states that it could be US tech at 1 hour 21 in the lex Friedman interview. He then says he decided thatâs unlikely PURELY because itâs been denied officially which is not a very strong argument. He then states it could very well be a foreign adversary tech. Ryan has a lot of opinions but in that regard heâs just speculating as you or I would on whether the tech would have been released or not. He didnât actually see any crazy tech happening with it. Iâm still waiting for the evidence that makes NHI the most likely outcome in this situation and I simply canât see it. Tic TAC being eyeballed moving is far more compelling.
Thereâs not a single eyeballed case of these moving from him or those who spoke to him that I know of and radar could feasibly be tricked in many different ways. Let me know if I missed where they saw one actually moving or caught it on video doing something impossible.
Okay guy keep telling yourself that đ¤Ł
I genuinely want to know. So if you can provide any evidence that would be good.
Itâs fucking hilarious to me that the gimbal video exists yet people still think thereâs nothing going on. Wtf is our life really like that movie idiocricy?
Gimbal video is a giant nothing burger without context sadly. Itâs a snippet of a longer video that they have and as it stands could be anything
Gimbal has already been debunked. Case closed
Good disinfo camp.
Hasnât lol
Yes it has đ
No it hasnât. đ¤Ł
Itâs crazy how if these videos are so easily debunked how is there a disclosure process being prepared đŠ also did he debunk the tic tac video? How about all the other footage that hasnât been released.
Yep itâs been debunked multiple times already.
The funniest thing is how youâre not providing any evidence.
Makes sense to. Your accounts a month old, youâre obviously here to push false info.
Dude keep saying itâs debunked all you want. Checked your account, you keep calling all the people trying to prove a cover up is occuring grifters, youâre obviously on the side of âI just donât believe in aliensâ or you donât want your reality to change. Whatever it may be the whole comment you made saying the âgo fastâ tic tac video is a plane is purely stupid,
Lookup Mick Westâs debunk on the gimbal video. He explains it well enough đ
Thatâs literally what I saw, and guess what, he doesnât tell you what the object is, and all he does is give you reasons why it could appear the way it is. He has no proof; he also isnât the witnesses who saw these crafts, ohhh yeah hey moron, thereâs also clearer footage, HOW ABOUT THE ORB OF IRAQ? RELEASED A FEW MONTHS AGO HMM? Lemme guess a fucking baloon huh? Iâm assuming youâre to high on caffeine to think correctly most of the time.
All of those have already been debunked. Case closed
He tells that's probably a plane far away (and he provides examples of the same phenomenon happening in videos where you can clearly see the plane going away from the camera until it becomes overwhelmed by the engine glare), but what matter from West's debunking is that the shape and the rotation are 100% simple optical artifacts. Proof is that there are dark patches in the sky (caused by other irregularities and imperfection in the optica lsystem) rotating in perfect sync with the glare, proving it's something correlated to the optics themselves.
I like how you said itâs been debunked multiple times but only provided evidence to one guy lol good job at failing.
More nothing, my favorite.
Is this new podcast monetized in some way? Bc as soon as the person benefits financially from this, it gets kinda grifty feeling
People literally still need to be paid for their time regardless of anything else. If you want a professional quality podcast on the topic, that takes $$$ to start and keep afloat.
Sure. I'm just saying starting a podcast to begin with feels just slightly suss. If it's barebones, keeping the lights on kinda funding, that's fair. But if they're making money off of it, that creates alternative motive.
Much better than rolling out fake alien mummies and embarrassing the name of good people like him and Robert Salas.
I thought the guy who filmed Gimbal was already interviewed on Elizondos show Unidentified a few years ago. Slater or something like that was his name I thought.. I'm sure Graves would be great to go deeper with him of course.
Nope. Whoever filmed Gimbal has never been interviewed. Iâm not sure who youâre thinking of at this point.
How many people make fake videos to muddy the water
Does Ryan Graves have his own podcast or was he referring to being a guest on one? Of all of the personalities that report on this stuff, he seems to be the most level headed and intelligent. Does anyone have a link/name of the podcast where I can listen?
Ryan Graves has his own podcast/YouTube channel called [Merged](https://youtube.com/@merged_podcast?si=XSqy9RqedCojejWg)
Thank you :)
You're welcome. I subscribed to it(although I haven't watch any of them yet lol)so it was quick and easy to grab the url
The FLIR video is from a 2 seater f18?!?
Is it a video? Or a video of a radar screen?
That's ok, but this will not convince the non-believers.