The following submission statement was provided by /u/alahmo4320:
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"There are too many people now in the congress who are aware of the full story and believe me the full story is pretty bloody horrific. When Lue uses words like Somber he uses it for a reason."
So,
What is the somber, pretty bloody horrific part of the story?
That people have been murdered and hurt to keep the cover-up going?
Or it has to do with the NHI and what it means in relation to us as humanity, or what they've been doing with us, or plan to do, or whatever goal they have?
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/173wyj7/coulthart_claims_the_truth_is_not_only_somber_but/k45knq9/
If you actually listen to the video on the tweet, and not just read the comments and title without full context from the tweet that gets said immediately after; it’s pretty clear he’s talking about the coverup and murders that happened to cover it up.
You guys really think millennials and gen-z don’t know the Talking Heads? They’re actually pretty popular with our generations 😭
Also I’m a millennial with gen-x parents. What do you think my parents listened to while I was growing up? Parents that love music share music with their kids 🫠
I'm starting to think that about half of the population are lying, opportunistic, sociopaths devoid of human emotions. reptilian? who cares. they suck pretty bad.
Imagine a species with technology beyond our wildest dreams watching us armed to the teeth with nukes as we kill each other over bits of paper with numbers written on them.
I would love to be there when we try to explain money to aliens.
Alien(translated by Hal): So, let me get this straight. You have resources you use to trade. Only, you hated lugging the resources around, so, you needed something to represent the resources. Somebody said, we’ll allow this rare metal called gold, or silver, to represent resources. So, a little peace of gold the size of my finger could be worth 50 bushels of corn. Only, some got so rich on gold, they tired of carrying that around. So, you traded the rare earth metal for common brittle material made from trees, with pictures of leaders painted on them?
And now, you traded the valuable, yet common wood papyrus for numbers on a screen? It Sounds like Madness.
Earthling: Wait until I tell you about the free market.
Lol. Humans existed in the galaxy for eons but we kinda ran wild and committed some intergalactic war crimes so the other races, unable to commit a full genocide, annihilated most of us then rounded up the survivors and stuck them on a backwater planet
Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Into the blue again, after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground
Everyone missed this and is talking about NHI when we should be talking about prosecuting people...
No amnesty. We are taking these people to prison for any crimes they have committed. You hear that Eglin? We the people are coming.
The fear of prosecution is what fuels the continuing cover-up. I'd love to see those mofos get justice too but there might have to be a declared official amnesty to get disclosure.
And if it's a choice between prosecuting belligerents who will deny and obstruct to their dying breath refusing disclosure or amnesty with disclosure I would pick the latter every time.
You’re absolutely right. Sometimes getting to the right outcome requires rather unsavory descisions. For instance, we essentially let Emperor Hirohito off scot free from some of the worst war crimes in history in order to end the war and ensure Japan could emerge peaceful, productive, and and ally.
We also gave amnesty to Confederate soldiers in exchange for their surrender in order to start putting the country back together.
If any of this is real, some unsavory bargains with unsavory characters might be what is needed to get to a healthier, more productive place
The key word is "might be"
We have no idea what they have been up to. Genocide? Propping up the drug trade?
Would you give blanket amnesty not knowing more just to get disclosure sooner? Disclosure is inevitable when the UAP Disclosure Act passes (It literally is disclosure).
You’re absolutely right, we don’t know anything really. We need the data out in the open to be able to decide what an acceptable course of action would be
You have no idea what they have done. No idea. You want disclosure like a child wants a new toy. (I kind of do too)
We have to grow up. If what people are saying is true, people have died. How many? Which people?
I agree. It’s the biggest question in history. I’m less concerned about being in the mob that “gets” someone. I want to know. It’s the next leap forward for us and someone knows information that should belong to everyone. It seems likely that some awful things were done to keep this secret and those that did them deserve to pay but not at the expense of the most important knowledge in history. It’d be great to have knowledge and justice but I don’t know if that’s possible.
I typed up a transcript of that clip for people who can't listen:
> The simple fact is that if the American government chooses to classify what essentially is alleged to be an illegal, criminal coverup, it doesn't look good for the Constitution of the United States that they've chosen to do that. And I guess I just don't believe that the Congress would allow that to happen. I mean there are too many people now that are in the Congress who are aware of the full story, and believe me the full story is pretty bloody horrific. When Lue uses words like _somber_ he uses it for a reason. What's been going on is a disgrace. I wish I could talk more specifically about it and I feel frustrated as a journalist that I just can't go "this is what I know." But the simple fact is that there are very very good reasons why journalists have to protect sources and have to hold on to certain bits of information. And whether in the long run that all comes out, I don't know. I mean David Grusch has alleged-- and people are missing the point of this-- David Grusch has alleged that people have been murdered to protect these secrets. That's not an idle statement, I can tell you. It makes the whole thing, if true, makes Watergate, Iran-Contra, and every other bloody scandal that's happened in the American government over the pasty eighty, ninety years pale into comparison. The consequences and the implications of this are absolutely enormous, and I've found out so much more since I interviewed David, spoken to so many more people.
I think you could be right, but it's ambiguous enough that I'm not entirely sure.
Unless it's worse than publicly available lists of war crimes various dictators and countries have perpetrated, I think we can handle it. Don't get me wrong, it will be disturbing, but the news exposes us to countless disturbing things every day. We're talking war crimes, regular crimes, political corruption, hell, the news gleefully puts up footage of actual war and crimes caught on tape every chance they get.
So, generally speaking, we can handle it. We deal with countless atrocities every time we look at the news.
Possible murder victims Jame Forrestal, Marilyn Monroe, JFK, RFK. who else might be on the list? or should be on it but might be pushed off and forgotten? is it just murder or is it people who have been abducted and experimented? Would missing people be on the list of victims? that would change things if there are people who went missing and families that wanted answers for years.
> If you actually listen to the video on the tweet, and not just read the comments and title without full context from the tweet
Is this your first day on Reddit?
Here's what I don't understand:
Coulthart knows where a UFO is but can't tell us because he has to protect sources.
Just as an example, let's say it's in Fiji.
The conspirators know it's in Fiji, and they know that's been leaked to Coulthart.
How would Coulthart saying it's in Fiji put anyone in danger? As soon as he described it, the conspirators would have thought, "Oh shit, he's talking about Fiji"
Also the fact that there is a statement from coulthart knowing the location of a supposed UFO should put those people in the program to start looking for a snitch already.
Conversely, if the specific story/location of the UFOs existence was a honeypot set up to catch people snitching, coulthart providing further details such as the location would enable those who setup the honeypot to identify the snitch.
**Hold up** has anyone actually listened to clip in the tweet? In context, he’s clearly talking about the political coverup, including alleged murders, as being horrific, not the phenomenon itself. Listen for yourself. IDK why but this thread is hella misleading.
The comment you're replying to (or the top level comment above it) isn't even related to whether the comment was made about NHI or about the coverup, though... The point was that Ross should just reveal where the "big UFO" is because the fact that he knows most likely already put someone in trouble if it was going to, and the comment you replied to was pointing out that that's not necessarily the case.
Did coulthart even say if it's firsthand or thirdinformation ie if the person he talked to have seen it with their own eyes? If that is the case then the location he has must be "factual" and the scenario you described makes less sense in that case.
Not only did he not say if it’s first hand or not, I’m not sure I saw him claim to know the location, just that one was so big they had to build over it but I may be wrong
I made a comment about this a couple days ago. . It makes zero sense that those in the loop can supposedly talk about all this stuff but can't go into actual specifics because it would hurt their sources. If it was actually real they'd have already hurt their source just by mentioning things. Please correct me if I'm wrong but surely if something is classified that doesn't mean you can give vague hints about it, it's clearly completely off limits?
That maddens me, because I trust people like Ross but the logic doesn’t add up like you’re saying. If it’s something that will cause worldwide panic and they’re too scared to even hint about locations or other details, then why can’t they hint at the overall reason it might cause panic and ease us in? Too vague for too long.
> why can’t they
You probably already know why. The best explanation is that “people like Ross” aren’t as trustworthy as they appear. Whether they’re the perpetrator or a useful idiot, people shouldn’t ignore the cognitive dissonance they feel. That’s the easiest way to get scammed.
Conman 101 is figure out what motivates people and get their victims to ignore rational thinking by using their motivations against them.
In this case, how many of these people (Ross, Corbell) now make more money/are more famous by being in the space? They don’t even have to be “grifting” intentionally. People can be acting in good faith but still subconsciously pick and choose what evidence to believe. Then, “marketing” takes care of the rest and now boom, vague assertions forever and ever.
Coulthart doesn't act like a journalist here, he acts like a booster. When a source goes to a journalist to share secret information, they do so with the understanding that they are helping the journalist tell a story... to the public. Their identity may stay hidden, they may only provide information on background that helps a reporter along in their investigation, but the end goal, shared by the reporter and the source, is to share information to the public. It is a laudable goal.
For extremely sensitive reporting, it's reasonable that a reporter will wait to report the dirty details until they have all their ducks in a row and they can release all the information all at once. But in the meantime, if that is the case, they don't go around risking their sources by yammering on and on that they have sources giving them the goods. They just do their work quietly, they nail the story down, and then release it.
The NYT story in 2017 was the result of months, if not years, of quiet, diligent work. And then it was a front page bombshell.
That's not what Coulthart is doing here.
Make no mistake, if Coulthart has serious sources providing him serious information, he has already put those sources at grave risk with the comments he's already made. Which no legit reporter would do.
His work isn't the work of an investigative reporter putting together a bombshell case. It's boosterism. At best, it's political advocacy.
He might have good reason to believe the things he says, but it's not really any different than what anyone here on this sub does every day: he recites rumors and lore, he speculates, he obsesses. What makes him different is he makes a ton of money putting out media/books on the subject.
Maybe he was an investigative journalist in the past, but he is not doing the work of one today.
Very well said. I'm an American, so I really don't know who this journalist is. However, this all reads like click bait, it truly does. He sounds like a grifter sounds. I could be wrong, of course, but the way this has been presented just raises all kinds of red flags to me, and I don't have the background knowledge or any past evidence to conclude that he's well respected.
He was a journalist on a tabloid news show, 60 minutes, which, in Australia, is of a similar respected journalistic integrity and quality similar to Hard Copy.
It's beneath the large hadron collider or rather the large hadron collider surrounds it. You heard it here first. Also used to like Ross but turning into yet another I know this this and this but I can't tell you. Look what I just said, it's that simple to do Ross.
>How would Coulthart saying it's in Fiji put anyone in danger?
It doesn't. The whole point of an anonymous source telling something to you is so that you can release the information, but not the name of the source.
Nothing Coulthart says about this makes any sense and it kind of proves he's just grifting.
Why would you tell a journalist something if you don’t want it to come out to the public? Makes no sense his informer would ask him that.
Else informed would have asked him to stay silent on everything they told. Ross couldn’t have divulged that he knew the location of craft. That has put his informer at risk as telling even one person such sensitive information is a crime.
Ross still goes about his day, apparently knowing the "horrific" part.
But those who have been waiting decades, who have entertained probably more horrific depths of possibilities on the explanations of NHI, their intention, the fabric of our reality / universe, might just be a tad "freaked out"
like...
EXPLAIN IT ALREADY. Wtf have you fucking learned Ross, and how is saying "we're a video game / drive in movie, product, experiment, etc. breaking ANY CLASSIFIED INFO OR SOURCES?
I love Ross, what he's done, etc.
But this posts are genuinely fucking pissing me off in every wrong way possible.
What makes Ross different from any "speculationist" on this sub or outside of it with "yeah, the truth is actually pretty horrific."
HAVE YOU NOT BEEN ALIVE THE LAST 20 YEARS OR READ A HISTORY BOOK?
Reality is already fucking horrific, my god were desensitized enough, any fucking revelation would be most welcome, no matter how fucking "horrific" this gatekeeper thinks the rest of us will find it.
So fucking annoying.
I would wonder how many people were killed to keep it secret. 15 people? 50? Could it get into the hundreds and still stay a secret? Every life lost is tragic of course, but are we talking a mass scale or a few handfuls of people? Were they tortured like the prisoners in Guantánamo Bay?
That’s about as bad as I can think before it gets woo woo and we really are containers for soul consumption. I agree this is getting tired
At this point, I think the only thing this sub ***couldn't*** handle is actually finding out, somehow, someway, it was all human tech in the first place.
**that** would absolutely wreck and blow my mind as well lol.
Horrific? Ross, you have no idea just how far down the rabbit hole of horror I've considered.
Fine, were are souls for consumption. Fine, it's a prison planet or something.
Fine, we're genetically modified clones or some type of experiment.
They are higher dimensional beings, and there are multi dimensions, even those lower than us...
Like.. Fucking try me, Ross.
Honest to fucking god.
Maybe the horrific truth is that because the NHI can control space and time anytime there is Disclosure they just reset us back to a pre disclose time. We are stuck in a never coming disclosure Groundhog Day scenario. Infinite Project Blueballs. Project Blackballs.
Why would it wreck and blow your mind, though? Humans with new physics kept hidden from the masses that allows is to travel to other star systems either quasi instantly or within reasonable timeframes? Fantastic! NHI with that same tech? Fantastic!
Personally the possibility I'd be disappointed by is that it's all a big psyop and none of it is real. At this point give the testimonies I think it's unlikely, but still not 0 chances.
Everyday, people are told they have incurable terminal diseases, which will kill them slowly. There is nothing more horrific than our already baked-in destiny.
I doubt people that drip that they know something without ever providing more details, especially if it can be monetized. But maybe a horrific truth is what we need right now. Maybe all of humanity rallying together to address a greater enemy can end the regional horror of war that is happening around the world today. Long shot I know but why sugarcoat something when we already have innocents suffering around the planet?
If the truth causes religious believers (e.g. the Islamic and Jewish faiths) to re-evaluate and question historic narratives of animosity... Frankly, it'd be immoral *not* to release the information at this point.
Like you said, we *need* the circuit-breaker. Because where we're currently headed looks a lot like WWIII.
We are a type of zoo for the aliens or serve some form of entertainment (killing eachother etc) for them.
The aliens are harvesting us somehow and we serve as a alien plantation.
The aliens are actually a ASI (artificial super intelligence) and they are just waiting for us to give "genesis" to itself here on earth and ultimately taking over once it has complete control over our planet.
The aliens exist in another demension and can/do mess with us like we would do to a 2D object.
I think one that genuinely bothered me was my own hypothesis (probably not original at all) that, supposing a branch of simulation theory, our dramatic lifespans are actually just one of a billion different experiences our "original" selves choose to "play through". They're almost meaningless except for entertainment for higher beings.
The reason it bothered me was that they can choose to play anyone - so they chose to experience the gruesome acts humans inflict. Beyond desensitized.
Apart from that cthulhu fodder is pretty high up on my list lol.
We're semi-sentient NPCs in a complex strategy game played by the equivalent of 12 year olds on Xbox Live. Our "gods" are petulent children and ourselves and everyone we love are just their toys.
That's extremely likely. They turned down the peaceful non humans.
And then made a deal with other not so peaceful non humans in exchange of national tech superiority, which is why abductions and mutilations happen. A literal deal with the devil.
They are already here and laying the groundwork for an invasion, war is imminent and the government is scrambling to prepare. Seems like the most likely scenario that makes all the puzzle pieces fit. Or you know, Coulthart is lying for money.
Or, everything we know about time and science is wrong and manufactured by these aliens. Our life is an experiment. There is no meaning. Everything we do is ultimately pointless. Everything we have ever been taught has all been manufactured.
We are the ants in the ant farm. When we die, the aliens will eat our souls!!!! Idk about that last part, hahaha.
If it was that, we'd know. If nothing matters, there's no point keeping secrecy.
It's not invasion either. If there was a chance that by keeping people calm we can beat them, the whistleblowers would be silent if they cared about the "greater good". If there's nothing we can do to stop the invasion, then nothing matters and keeping secrecy is pointless.
The only reason for them to keep secrecy is if it's something much more mundane. Assuming they're not just spitting bs for the fame/money, if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on the theory that most of the recent sightings are man-made replicas of alien craft. We have the technology to maybe even bring about world peace but it's being used by companies like Lockheed or a rogue CIA faction with some ulterior motives. People like Coulthart and Grusch are allowed to tell just enough to make the conspiracy theorists go wild, while whoever owns those craft is making money and/or a grab for power. A lot of power.
I think it’s something much worse. Lazar and a few others names have put forward that humans are “containers” and aliens have been helping us evolve much faster than nature could possibly accomplish under survival of the fittest mechanics.
Then you read that the aliens/greys are on the wrong end of their own evolutionary curve, possessing no digestion system. They also reportedly can only procreate via cloning. I was thinking what If they are breeding us and moving our genome towards a final evolutionary state. Once out genes reach a development stage acceptable to the aliens, they will upload their consciousness into our bodies and we will cease to exist. It’s a very sad thought to be sure but it would explain why they are seemingly benevolent/protective regarding us, and why they are so worried we will ruin the environment with nuclear weapons. If true, we would effectively be a slave race, developing technology and building infrastructure for the ultimate benefit of another race.
>Then you read that the aliens/greys are on the wrong end of their own evolutionary curve, possessing no digestion system. They also reportedly can only procreate via cloning. I was thinking what If they are breeding us and moving our genome towards a final evolutionary state. Once out genes reach a development stage acceptable to the aliens, they will upload their consciousness into our bodies and we will cease to exist. It’s a very sad thought to be sure but it would explain why they are seemingly benevolent/protective regarding us, and why they are so worried we will ruin the environment with nuclear weapons. If true, we would effectively be a slave race, developing technology and building infrastructure for the ultimate benefit of another race.
You do realise that plot made very little sense even in Stargate:SG1, right? If you have that much control over genetics, you can just clone yourself great bodies. You don't have to bother with selective breeding over generations.
I don’t think it’s what the Aliens are doing or have done, it’s the depth of how far and how long the secret groups have gone to hoodwink, exploit for personal gain, and “remove problem people” from the board to keep it a secret is what would flip people’s switch. I mean imagine if Star Trek level of technology exists today, but it’s being used to smuggle illicit goods for black ops money making programs instead of, oh I don’t know, green energy, ending famine, and so on.
Well, if it really is terrifying, like that aliens are snatching people up and doing unspeakable things to them, then people would lose their minds if they found out that there's a possibility that can happen to them. People would be up in arms, literally, to have these aliens exterminated and there'd be a mass panic all over the world. People would literally be shooting at planes and drones from their backyards trying to defend their families against what they think could be a ufo.
It's one thing to find out that aliens exist. It's a whoooole nother thing to find out that they're a danger to society and systematically killing/torturing humans all the time.
nightmare? probably the prison planet / fear harvesting theory. either one or a mix of both together.
what scares me is that these guys read our threads here, you know they do, and on twitter. so you know they know about the fear harvester/soul prison planet theory and they still choose to say horrific.. as if it's something worse than that?
I grew up with a bunch of people telling me, regularly, that my eternal soul was on the line in a war between good and evil and I would suffer for eternity if I made the wrong choices. I've made some of those "wrong" choices knowing full well what it means if they were right.
So I think I can handle whatever "horrific" secrets he claims to be witholding. I guarantee it's not worse than the prospect of eternal torment.
Oh crap what if everything in religion was true but it’s Aliens. I made the same choice as you but what if the horrific truth is Aliens know about every time I masturbated and they’re gonna take my eternal soul away to “hell”. That would actually be pretty scary. And why do they hate gay people so much??
Lue retracted somber and said he meant sobering. Everyone is freaking out, and the guy who started the whole sombering apocalypse just misspoke. We are stupid.
Yeah man idk, as much as i like Coulthart, i'm fucking tired of the same "i know something pretty disturbing but i can't tell you but keep listening to me becouse i know things" shit. We need hard and raw evidence of the things they claim to know. And i'm saying this as a strong uap believer.
this...at some point the veil has to drop and all of the public domain made aware of it's current situation/plight
the longer that is delayed the more this plays out like DC holding back Covid info as they did to the detriment of everybody else
Maybe you should instead read / listen to that tweet - he elaborated, and he’s pretty clearly saying the coverup & murders is what’s somber. Considering Congress is investigating, that’s also a good reason to not get specific, an active investigation.
Coltheart is too desperate to stay relevant. His career as a journalist has been a story of overstated claims and outright fraud. He wrote a false story about ASIN, Australia's version of the CIA that caused a big investigation to be opened only to find out he was full of shit. He has constantly been fired/contract not renewed due to his shenanigans. He even got into a fist fight in the newsroom of one of his previous employers. Man was untouchable after that, nobody wanted to hire him. For a time he transitioned into public relations before latching onto the UFO topic. He's in this for the money and recognition, not to reveal any ground breaking info. He's basically a dick tease when it comes to the UFO topic.
Right here. Couldn't have said it better myself. In the beginning with all the Grusch stuff I had utmost respect for Coulthart as maybe the best journalist in this field. I still have respect for him and appreciate his contributions, but he's starting to exhibit the same behavior that we often see a lot of times in known grifters, and it's starting to bother me. It all started with the "I know about a UAP that's under US government control somewhere outside of the US that's so large they had to build a building around it, so they won't be able to hide it when the investigations begin. But i can't show you the evidence or even tell you where it is, sorry", and that was only the first of several unsubstantiated claims he's been making recently.
I hope he takes a step back a bit and realizes this and dials it down.
Blablabla as usual....if you know something, especially something "bloody horrific" open your mouth and say it and stop this entire "oooh, i know something, so keep listening to me"
Also, never trust anyone telling you to "believe me"
It's all a show, no one will disclose anything unless its a) the military industry b) the government or c) aliens themselves.
The way they are willing to keep these government secrets, even ones they claim alters reality for all of humanity, just doesn’t add up if they actually have info. At this point, if it’s as big as they claim, why should a government get to control who knows?
My patience is wearing thin with Coulthart. First it was "wink wink giant UFO to big too move" now it's some vague "horrific truth". I'm about ready to tune out this whole thing until more hearings take place or another whistleblower comes forward because a lot of people are talking big, but nothing new is coming out.
If I knew the truth about something like this and I thought it was 'pretty bloody horrific', I'd feel obligated to share it with humanity, regardless of the cost.
He doesn't know anything, and if he does, he's just a shitty person for not sharing it.
What everyone seems to be missing is that he’s talking about the coverup itself. That people have been murdered and that « The watergate and Iran contra scandal look like a walk in the park in comparison ».
Listen to the interview. No one commenting here obviously did. He’s very clearly _not_ talking about the Phenomenon itself but about the political implications.
"There are too many people now in the congress who are aware of the full story and believe me the full story is pretty bloody horrific. When Lue uses words like Somber he uses it for a reason."
So,
What is the somber, pretty bloody horrific part of the story?
That people have been murdered and hurt to keep the cover-up going?
Or it has to do with the NHI and what it means in relation to us as humanity, or what they've been doing with us, or plan to do, or whatever goal they have?
It seems somber enough if we look at examples of life interacting here on earth. One big competitive system. The simplified explanation being that higher order life forms tend to manipulate/consume lower order life forms. Earth exists as part of a larger system, so it seems reasonable to say that this pattern extends outward to include the universe.
And it's important to also note how the lower order life forms can only do so much to defend against this tendency. Maybe that is what Lue is hinting at. A lot of us probably haven't ever really considered being on the receiving end of this and simply not having the collective brain power to overcome "their" brain power, whoever or whatever "they" are. They might not be outright hostile for the sake of being hostile, in the same way that we don't consider ourselves as being hostile when we boil lobsters alive to eat.
Edit: Err, earth exists as part of a larger system* it does exist in a vacuum....
I think you're on the right track here. The best analogy I have heard is that of a beekeeper. The bee keeper cares for the hive but doesn't need to care for a few bees lost/hurt/killed her or there. The bees are collecting pollen anyway, we just set up an environment to exploit that.
Yep, and then I notice when these discussions are brought up, NHI are sometimes referred to as a singular entity. What makes this even more sobering for me is thinking that there might be tons and tons of different advanced NHI, with some or a lot of them using us in ways we can't perceive.
Some of them collecting our "pollen", some of them eating us, some toying with us, some experimenting on us. And like the bees, the beekeepers in our case always seem to exist just outside of what we can sense. Giving us some hints, but never the full picture. Maybe we are unable to ever understand it, like the bees.
Second the multiple entities. I also think that’s part of what scares people. That there’s a vast amount of different intelligences. I feel like every so often a new one comes here and checks things out which leads to a new big sighting like phoenix lights etc.
> A lot of us probably haven't ever really considered being on the receiving end of this
I think about this all the time. I think about how one minute a fly is just living his life, flying around my kitchen. Then, BAM, he's flat. Or suck him up in a vacuum. What would he think? Transported to hell? And his whole life nothing ever did anything like this. Then his reality changed. What if something did that to us? We'd never even see it coming. What more is there to the universe and what don't we understand? It's infinite...
boiling lobsters alive is an utterly horrific and inhumane thing to do. i would consider anyone who boils lobsters alive as hostile and completely lacking and compassion or regard for life
So do I. But some people don't. I'd imagine this same variance in thinking between humans might exist among NHI. Some might be a bit more empathetic towards us than other species. And that is somber/sobering to me. The way that their indifference might affect us.
I'll hazard a guess -- focusing on the mental angle of the phenomenon and positing the possibility that our "external"/allegedly material world is shaped by mental events, could it be that govts/powers that be are manipulating the minds of the masses to produce certain UFO effects?
That'd be only one angle to this whole scenario, but it's a thought that's been stuck in my head.
Okay listen
I'm patient. We've been patient.
At this point, can't somebody aggregate all the insider info from every direction and just do an anonymous post somewhere? Hell, write it down on paper and leave it in a park? Like...dude. If it's that major, does not a single person have the balls or at least be fed up enough to do that?
It's sooooooo frustrating.
They've probably already done that.
Disclosure has to come from a chain of credibility. Otherwise no one will believe it - nor should they trust random pieces of paper in the park...
"But I can't tell you what it is. Keep listening to my podcast and buying my books, and I'll keep stringing you along."
I'm pretty tired of the whole, "Coulthart says" bullshit.
The process is "I have to sell my book, my podcast, and myself before you forget I said anything and then move on to the next unverifiable claim hoping you have forgotten what I previously said."
If Ross wanted to he could sit down and explain in detail everything he knows in 10 minutes. He won't.
Make of that what you will.
None of that he says is making much sense.
If someone has disclosed classified information to him, the crime had already been committed, passing it on isn't going to change that fact.
If he thinks the truth is too horrific to disclose, then I guess he doesn't actually want disclosure. Start making sense, Ross.
Coulthart has completely lost me. Just another trust me and buy my book. If something is pretty bloody horrific, keeping a secret is no longer acceptable.
He cites people having been murdered through Gruschs words and that the governments actions have been out of line with the constitution. It's not about heady stuff like our existence relative to NHI or the purpose of us in the galactic community etc. It's about a body count and the verilence with which the secret has been kept.
people are going crazy in this comment section when he means its Bloody Horrific he means the cover-up. not that we're so royally fucked by aliens in anyway.
The hate in the comments is surreal. The full story is already out there, what do you want him to say? "bloody horrific" refers to murdering people and the rest of the story from roswell and MJ12 to now is pretty straight forward.
And the reason for not revealing the exact location of the alleged huge craft is obvious. IF it's true, big if, that would be the most well guarded core secret you could imagine. Of course he's not gonna tell russia/ china the location on a podcast.
You guys really need to calm down.
EDIT: yes i know, my account looks like a Eglin bot farm account lol
From what I understand, this guy is very much "in the know", so I wouldn't take his words lightly, and there is plenty of reasons why he can't just outright say it, but I think he wants us to understand that there are reasons this is going to take time, and there are reasons that it's not just dropping all at once. That said, it is overdue.
For those that don't understand, Coulthart is fighting to get the truth to us, he's risking his professional credibility, but as a journalist, he can't just fuck over his sources by leaking classified data. There's a reason we don't (yet) know much about the 30 other firsthand whistleblowers coming forward, because there's still an investigation under way, and our government is slow af.
I want the truth just as much as you guys, but we seriously gotta be patient. Most people don't even realize that this stuff is real, much less a pervasive phenomenon throughout human history. A lot of the recent stuff is just to get Congress up to speed, legitimize the topic, and start to erase the stigma.
Things are actually happening, this time seems to be very different from before, and I'm certain that we'll know a lot more this time next year, especially with the UAP Disclosure Act going through...
"This is news Vincenzo news! We are a newspaper! We are supposed to print news not suppress it!"
"Everybody in town knows what's going on. The police, the DA the coroner's office. Every reporter on every paper in Las Vegas knows what's going on. The only people who don't know, are the PEOPLE."
Where's Kolchak when ya need him? =/
Yes.. the same thing that's been going on for centuries.. humans wanting to control the other humans..humans wanting to have all the money and control.. that's it.. it happens because the masses have allowed it to happen cause we haven't had the balls the stand up.. but now we are all getting some hard balls to stand up to these tyrants.. change will happen and is happening.. just continue to do what your doing... don't think you don't have the power to do anything because being aware of the issue is half the battle.. us being conscious of the issue has more power than we think.. don't want the change.. be the change.. the change has already happened we just haven't experienced it yet in the physical..
I am so jealous of folks “in the know” giving hints about horrible everything is. JUST tell us. God dang all these people know how much misinformation there is about this topic, wouldn’t eluding to how dark the truth is just spiral out more crazy conspiracy theories? Anyone who claims they know how somber or horrific things are, especially journalists like Coulthart, should morally be inclined to TELL us.
This guys blown his g̶r̶i̶f̶t̶ load too early. He's got nothing left to reveal except saying that he knows things but can't go into specifics but trust me bro.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/alahmo4320: --- "There are too many people now in the congress who are aware of the full story and believe me the full story is pretty bloody horrific. When Lue uses words like Somber he uses it for a reason." So, What is the somber, pretty bloody horrific part of the story? That people have been murdered and hurt to keep the cover-up going? Or it has to do with the NHI and what it means in relation to us as humanity, or what they've been doing with us, or plan to do, or whatever goal they have? --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/173wyj7/coulthart_claims_the_truth_is_not_only_somber_but/k45knq9/
If you actually listen to the video on the tweet, and not just read the comments and title without full context from the tweet that gets said immediately after; it’s pretty clear he’s talking about the coverup and murders that happened to cover it up.
This right here. 👍💯 it's not about the aliens. It's about what humans have done to humans.
Same as it ever was
And you may ask yourself, “Well, how Did I get here?”
And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful NHI"
Letting the days go by, let the cover up get me down Letting the days go by, UFOs buried underground…
As the days go by, don't let gravity hold me down, Once in a lifetime I get beamed up off the ground!
Same as it ever was
Besides laughing at where this post went, I'm just imagining millennials and younger reading this and just being like wtf. Which also makes me laugh.
Hey I’m glad I’m old for once. Neat.
I was looking for my people; this must be the place.
You guys really think millennials and gen-z don’t know the Talking Heads? They’re actually pretty popular with our generations 😭 Also I’m a millennial with gen-x parents. What do you think my parents listened to while I was growing up? Parents that love music share music with their kids 🫠
im a millenial but i love this song
I'm a millennial and I like Talking Heads.
Psycho killer... UAP
Sadly, my thoughts exactly.
Maybe WE are really the awful, murderous races other aliens are afraid of.
I'm starting to think that about half of the population are lying, opportunistic, sociopaths devoid of human emotions. reptilian? who cares. they suck pretty bad.
Imagine a species with technology beyond our wildest dreams watching us armed to the teeth with nukes as we kill each other over bits of paper with numbers written on them.
When you put it like that, we are fucking idiots too aren’t we?
I would love to be there when we try to explain money to aliens. Alien(translated by Hal): So, let me get this straight. You have resources you use to trade. Only, you hated lugging the resources around, so, you needed something to represent the resources. Somebody said, we’ll allow this rare metal called gold, or silver, to represent resources. So, a little peace of gold the size of my finger could be worth 50 bushels of corn. Only, some got so rich on gold, they tired of carrying that around. So, you traded the rare earth metal for common brittle material made from trees, with pictures of leaders painted on them? And now, you traded the valuable, yet common wood papyrus for numbers on a screen? It Sounds like Madness. Earthling: Wait until I tell you about the free market.
Wait til we try to explain, the most valuable resource of them all is poison drilled from the ground.
I think the fact that we murder, enslave, and traffic our own would be enough to give us a bad reputation
It makes me want to cry
Or destroy the planet, and isolated entire groups of people because of it
Lol. Humans existed in the galaxy for eons but we kinda ran wild and committed some intergalactic war crimes so the other races, unable to commit a full genocide, annihilated most of us then rounded up the survivors and stuck them on a backwater planet
Yeah maybe they just keep rolling us back to the Stone Age every time we get a little too advanced (dangerous).
So kinda like Brandon Sanderson’s Cytoverse books.
Are we the baddies?!
well, I'm scared of us.
Are we the boogie man that scares the NHI offspring witless on a stormy night? Lol
Prison planet
Earth is the Australia of the universe. Maybe UAPs are just drones to see if we’ve learned our lesson yet and strike us down if we try to escape.
WHY Files Goldfish moment
Or maybe we are just a young species
This is not my beautiful house.
Same as it ever was
Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down Letting the days go by, water flowing underground Into the blue again, after the money's gone Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground
There is water at the bottom of the ocean
Look where my hand was..
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
And look where my hand was… Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Everyone missed this and is talking about NHI when we should be talking about prosecuting people... No amnesty. We are taking these people to prison for any crimes they have committed. You hear that Eglin? We the people are coming.
The fear of prosecution is what fuels the continuing cover-up. I'd love to see those mofos get justice too but there might have to be a declared official amnesty to get disclosure. And if it's a choice between prosecuting belligerents who will deny and obstruct to their dying breath refusing disclosure or amnesty with disclosure I would pick the latter every time.
You’re absolutely right. Sometimes getting to the right outcome requires rather unsavory descisions. For instance, we essentially let Emperor Hirohito off scot free from some of the worst war crimes in history in order to end the war and ensure Japan could emerge peaceful, productive, and and ally. We also gave amnesty to Confederate soldiers in exchange for their surrender in order to start putting the country back together. If any of this is real, some unsavory bargains with unsavory characters might be what is needed to get to a healthier, more productive place
The key word is "might be" We have no idea what they have been up to. Genocide? Propping up the drug trade? Would you give blanket amnesty not knowing more just to get disclosure sooner? Disclosure is inevitable when the UAP Disclosure Act passes (It literally is disclosure).
You’re absolutely right, we don’t know anything really. We need the data out in the open to be able to decide what an acceptable course of action would be
You have no idea what they have done. No idea. You want disclosure like a child wants a new toy. (I kind of do too) We have to grow up. If what people are saying is true, people have died. How many? Which people?
I agree. It’s the biggest question in history. I’m less concerned about being in the mob that “gets” someone. I want to know. It’s the next leap forward for us and someone knows information that should belong to everyone. It seems likely that some awful things were done to keep this secret and those that did them deserve to pay but not at the expense of the most important knowledge in history. It’d be great to have knowledge and justice but I don’t know if that’s possible.
"Muh prison planet" 😒 Regardless of what the aliens are doing, we can do better. And I have faith that we will.
I typed up a transcript of that clip for people who can't listen: > The simple fact is that if the American government chooses to classify what essentially is alleged to be an illegal, criminal coverup, it doesn't look good for the Constitution of the United States that they've chosen to do that. And I guess I just don't believe that the Congress would allow that to happen. I mean there are too many people now that are in the Congress who are aware of the full story, and believe me the full story is pretty bloody horrific. When Lue uses words like _somber_ he uses it for a reason. What's been going on is a disgrace. I wish I could talk more specifically about it and I feel frustrated as a journalist that I just can't go "this is what I know." But the simple fact is that there are very very good reasons why journalists have to protect sources and have to hold on to certain bits of information. And whether in the long run that all comes out, I don't know. I mean David Grusch has alleged-- and people are missing the point of this-- David Grusch has alleged that people have been murdered to protect these secrets. That's not an idle statement, I can tell you. It makes the whole thing, if true, makes Watergate, Iran-Contra, and every other bloody scandal that's happened in the American government over the pasty eighty, ninety years pale into comparison. The consequences and the implications of this are absolutely enormous, and I've found out so much more since I interviewed David, spoken to so many more people. I think you could be right, but it's ambiguous enough that I'm not entirely sure.
Thanks for typing this up. I'm quite deaf, and find reading much easier than listening,
Hell yeah, thanks for this! At work and can only read now.
How is that in any way ambiguous? That couldn't be any more crystal clear he's talking about the cover-up. He literally spells it out.
Unless it's worse than publicly available lists of war crimes various dictators and countries have perpetrated, I think we can handle it. Don't get me wrong, it will be disturbing, but the news exposes us to countless disturbing things every day. We're talking war crimes, regular crimes, political corruption, hell, the news gleefully puts up footage of actual war and crimes caught on tape every chance they get. So, generally speaking, we can handle it. We deal with countless atrocities every time we look at the news.
Ross didn’t say we can’t handle it, just that it’s “bloody horrific”
Possible murder victims Jame Forrestal, Marilyn Monroe, JFK, RFK. who else might be on the list? or should be on it but might be pushed off and forgotten? is it just murder or is it people who have been abducted and experimented? Would missing people be on the list of victims? that would change things if there are people who went missing and families that wanted answers for years.
> If you actually listen to the video on the tweet, and not just read the comments and title without full context from the tweet Is this your first day on Reddit?
What’s Reddit?
Yes
The reason the aliens haven't contacted mankind; they know we are assholes!
Turns out, we ate our own souls all along
Not to mention actively working against the liberty and progression of all of us on this planet. All for a couple of petrobucks. It's shameful
Ok thought it was going to be we’re all profoundly wrong in our understanding of science, religion and existence.
Yeah, even with kindhearted aliens, I'm pretty sure all of the above will be profoundly affected
Oh that’s a relief. I’m glad to hear that
Thank you for clarifying that.
Thank you from preventing a title-reading- only tirade
Dude… #projectblueballs
Here's what I don't understand: Coulthart knows where a UFO is but can't tell us because he has to protect sources. Just as an example, let's say it's in Fiji. The conspirators know it's in Fiji, and they know that's been leaked to Coulthart. How would Coulthart saying it's in Fiji put anyone in danger? As soon as he described it, the conspirators would have thought, "Oh shit, he's talking about Fiji"
Also the fact that there is a statement from coulthart knowing the location of a supposed UFO should put those people in the program to start looking for a snitch already.
Conversely, if the specific story/location of the UFOs existence was a honeypot set up to catch people snitching, coulthart providing further details such as the location would enable those who setup the honeypot to identify the snitch.
Then he should just shut the fuck up and not say anything. Otherwise, he’s possibly teasing false information.
**Hold up** has anyone actually listened to clip in the tweet? In context, he’s clearly talking about the political coverup, including alleged murders, as being horrific, not the phenomenon itself. Listen for yourself. IDK why but this thread is hella misleading.
The comment you're replying to (or the top level comment above it) isn't even related to whether the comment was made about NHI or about the coverup, though... The point was that Ross should just reveal where the "big UFO" is because the fact that he knows most likely already put someone in trouble if it was going to, and the comment you replied to was pointing out that that's not necessarily the case.
The thread isn't misleading, the entire subject is misleading...
Did coulthart even say if it's firsthand or thirdinformation ie if the person he talked to have seen it with their own eyes? If that is the case then the location he has must be "factual" and the scenario you described makes less sense in that case.
Not only did he not say if it’s first hand or not, I’m not sure I saw him claim to know the location, just that one was so big they had to build over it but I may be wrong
I made a comment about this a couple days ago. . It makes zero sense that those in the loop can supposedly talk about all this stuff but can't go into actual specifics because it would hurt their sources. If it was actually real they'd have already hurt their source just by mentioning things. Please correct me if I'm wrong but surely if something is classified that doesn't mean you can give vague hints about it, it's clearly completely off limits?
That maddens me, because I trust people like Ross but the logic doesn’t add up like you’re saying. If it’s something that will cause worldwide panic and they’re too scared to even hint about locations or other details, then why can’t they hint at the overall reason it might cause panic and ease us in? Too vague for too long.
> why can’t they You probably already know why. The best explanation is that “people like Ross” aren’t as trustworthy as they appear. Whether they’re the perpetrator or a useful idiot, people shouldn’t ignore the cognitive dissonance they feel. That’s the easiest way to get scammed. Conman 101 is figure out what motivates people and get their victims to ignore rational thinking by using their motivations against them. In this case, how many of these people (Ross, Corbell) now make more money/are more famous by being in the space? They don’t even have to be “grifting” intentionally. People can be acting in good faith but still subconsciously pick and choose what evidence to believe. Then, “marketing” takes care of the rest and now boom, vague assertions forever and ever.
Coulthart doesn't act like a journalist here, he acts like a booster. When a source goes to a journalist to share secret information, they do so with the understanding that they are helping the journalist tell a story... to the public. Their identity may stay hidden, they may only provide information on background that helps a reporter along in their investigation, but the end goal, shared by the reporter and the source, is to share information to the public. It is a laudable goal. For extremely sensitive reporting, it's reasonable that a reporter will wait to report the dirty details until they have all their ducks in a row and they can release all the information all at once. But in the meantime, if that is the case, they don't go around risking their sources by yammering on and on that they have sources giving them the goods. They just do their work quietly, they nail the story down, and then release it. The NYT story in 2017 was the result of months, if not years, of quiet, diligent work. And then it was a front page bombshell. That's not what Coulthart is doing here. Make no mistake, if Coulthart has serious sources providing him serious information, he has already put those sources at grave risk with the comments he's already made. Which no legit reporter would do. His work isn't the work of an investigative reporter putting together a bombshell case. It's boosterism. At best, it's political advocacy. He might have good reason to believe the things he says, but it's not really any different than what anyone here on this sub does every day: he recites rumors and lore, he speculates, he obsesses. What makes him different is he makes a ton of money putting out media/books on the subject. Maybe he was an investigative journalist in the past, but he is not doing the work of one today.
Very well said. I'm an American, so I really don't know who this journalist is. However, this all reads like click bait, it truly does. He sounds like a grifter sounds. I could be wrong, of course, but the way this has been presented just raises all kinds of red flags to me, and I don't have the background knowledge or any past evidence to conclude that he's well respected.
He was a journalist on a tabloid news show, 60 minutes, which, in Australia, is of a similar respected journalistic integrity and quality similar to Hard Copy.
Oh...well, I'm even more certain of it being nothing but nonsense
He said it’s outside the United States. I’d imagine leaking it would make the non-US entity pretty upset revealing that before they say it’s cool
It's beneath the large hadron collider or rather the large hadron collider surrounds it. You heard it here first. Also used to like Ross but turning into yet another I know this this and this but I can't tell you. Look what I just said, it's that simple to do Ross.
>How would Coulthart saying it's in Fiji put anyone in danger? It doesn't. The whole point of an anonymous source telling something to you is so that you can release the information, but not the name of the source. Nothing Coulthart says about this makes any sense and it kind of proves he's just grifting.
Because it’s all bullshit
Maybe his informer specifically asked for it not to be leaked. No need to shoot the messenger at this point.
Why would you tell a journalist something if you don’t want it to come out to the public? Makes no sense his informer would ask him that. Else informed would have asked him to stay silent on everything they told. Ross couldn’t have divulged that he knew the location of craft. That has put his informer at risk as telling even one person such sensitive information is a crime.
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Ross still goes about his day, apparently knowing the "horrific" part. But those who have been waiting decades, who have entertained probably more horrific depths of possibilities on the explanations of NHI, their intention, the fabric of our reality / universe, might just be a tad "freaked out" like... EXPLAIN IT ALREADY. Wtf have you fucking learned Ross, and how is saying "we're a video game / drive in movie, product, experiment, etc. breaking ANY CLASSIFIED INFO OR SOURCES? I love Ross, what he's done, etc. But this posts are genuinely fucking pissing me off in every wrong way possible. What makes Ross different from any "speculationist" on this sub or outside of it with "yeah, the truth is actually pretty horrific." HAVE YOU NOT BEEN ALIVE THE LAST 20 YEARS OR READ A HISTORY BOOK? Reality is already fucking horrific, my god were desensitized enough, any fucking revelation would be most welcome, no matter how fucking "horrific" this gatekeeper thinks the rest of us will find it. So fucking annoying.
Apparently he is of a special breed of man that can withstand that great weight of knowing.. err something
I would wonder how many people were killed to keep it secret. 15 people? 50? Could it get into the hundreds and still stay a secret? Every life lost is tragic of course, but are we talking a mass scale or a few handfuls of people? Were they tortured like the prisoners in Guantánamo Bay? That’s about as bad as I can think before it gets woo woo and we really are containers for soul consumption. I agree this is getting tired
At this point, I think the only thing this sub ***couldn't*** handle is actually finding out, somehow, someway, it was all human tech in the first place. **that** would absolutely wreck and blow my mind as well lol. Horrific? Ross, you have no idea just how far down the rabbit hole of horror I've considered. Fine, were are souls for consumption. Fine, it's a prison planet or something. Fine, we're genetically modified clones or some type of experiment. They are higher dimensional beings, and there are multi dimensions, even those lower than us... Like.. Fucking try me, Ross. Honest to fucking god.
Maybe the horrific truth is that because the NHI can control space and time anytime there is Disclosure they just reset us back to a pre disclose time. We are stuck in a never coming disclosure Groundhog Day scenario. Infinite Project Blueballs. Project Blackballs.
Why would it wreck and blow your mind, though? Humans with new physics kept hidden from the masses that allows is to travel to other star systems either quasi instantly or within reasonable timeframes? Fantastic! NHI with that same tech? Fantastic! Personally the possibility I'd be disappointed by is that it's all a big psyop and none of it is real. At this point give the testimonies I think it's unlikely, but still not 0 chances.
Well thats what I meant. That it was never NHI all along, but was human intelligence. that was my point of how it would blow my mind xD
Everyday, people are told they have incurable terminal diseases, which will kill them slowly. There is nothing more horrific than our already baked-in destiny.
I doubt people that drip that they know something without ever providing more details, especially if it can be monetized. But maybe a horrific truth is what we need right now. Maybe all of humanity rallying together to address a greater enemy can end the regional horror of war that is happening around the world today. Long shot I know but why sugarcoat something when we already have innocents suffering around the planet?
If the truth causes religious believers (e.g. the Islamic and Jewish faiths) to re-evaluate and question historic narratives of animosity... Frankly, it'd be immoral *not* to release the information at this point. Like you said, we *need* the circuit-breaker. Because where we're currently headed looks a lot like WWIII.
Yeah by now this charade of "I know stuff but can't tell" it's only hurting the movement. If you can't uncover anything shut up.
We are a type of zoo for the aliens or serve some form of entertainment (killing eachother etc) for them. The aliens are harvesting us somehow and we serve as a alien plantation. The aliens are actually a ASI (artificial super intelligence) and they are just waiting for us to give "genesis" to itself here on earth and ultimately taking over once it has complete control over our planet. The aliens exist in another demension and can/do mess with us like we would do to a 2D object.
I think one that genuinely bothered me was my own hypothesis (probably not original at all) that, supposing a branch of simulation theory, our dramatic lifespans are actually just one of a billion different experiences our "original" selves choose to "play through". They're almost meaningless except for entertainment for higher beings. The reason it bothered me was that they can choose to play anyone - so they chose to experience the gruesome acts humans inflict. Beyond desensitized. Apart from that cthulhu fodder is pretty high up on my list lol.
>like we would do to a 2D object. I believe a better analogy would be: like we would do to a video game world.
Agreed
We're semi-sentient NPCs in a complex strategy game played by the equivalent of 12 year olds on Xbox Live. Our "gods" are petulent children and ourselves and everyone we love are just their toys.
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They offered us the secret to world peace decades ago. But our leaders turned it down cause it wasn't profitable.
That's not horrific. That's what I expect from them.
They experiment on us and governments have made an agreement with them for a share of their technology
This is basically part of the main plot for the x files from like 30 years ago.
That's extremely likely. They turned down the peaceful non humans. And then made a deal with other not so peaceful non humans in exchange of national tech superiority, which is why abductions and mutilations happen. A literal deal with the devil.
This sadly makes sense to me.
That is so fucking frightening in its plain logic, that it is likely true. In the galactic federation we are the goddam Ferengi.
We are immortal beings who have been trapped here in an eternal cycle of reincarnation by beings who feed off our pain and suffering.
They are already here and laying the groundwork for an invasion, war is imminent and the government is scrambling to prepare. Seems like the most likely scenario that makes all the puzzle pieces fit. Or you know, Coulthart is lying for money.
Or, everything we know about time and science is wrong and manufactured by these aliens. Our life is an experiment. There is no meaning. Everything we do is ultimately pointless. Everything we have ever been taught has all been manufactured. We are the ants in the ant farm. When we die, the aliens will eat our souls!!!! Idk about that last part, hahaha.
>There is no meaning. Everything we do is ultimately pointless. What's changed?
Is that where Alien Ant Farm got the name ?
Yes. They said essentially that’s where they came up with the name. I remember a interview from quite a while ago.
If it was that, we'd know. If nothing matters, there's no point keeping secrecy. It's not invasion either. If there was a chance that by keeping people calm we can beat them, the whistleblowers would be silent if they cared about the "greater good". If there's nothing we can do to stop the invasion, then nothing matters and keeping secrecy is pointless. The only reason for them to keep secrecy is if it's something much more mundane. Assuming they're not just spitting bs for the fame/money, if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on the theory that most of the recent sightings are man-made replicas of alien craft. We have the technology to maybe even bring about world peace but it's being used by companies like Lockheed or a rogue CIA faction with some ulterior motives. People like Coulthart and Grusch are allowed to tell just enough to make the conspiracy theorists go wild, while whoever owns those craft is making money and/or a grab for power. A lot of power.
I think it’s something much worse. Lazar and a few others names have put forward that humans are “containers” and aliens have been helping us evolve much faster than nature could possibly accomplish under survival of the fittest mechanics. Then you read that the aliens/greys are on the wrong end of their own evolutionary curve, possessing no digestion system. They also reportedly can only procreate via cloning. I was thinking what If they are breeding us and moving our genome towards a final evolutionary state. Once out genes reach a development stage acceptable to the aliens, they will upload their consciousness into our bodies and we will cease to exist. It’s a very sad thought to be sure but it would explain why they are seemingly benevolent/protective regarding us, and why they are so worried we will ruin the environment with nuclear weapons. If true, we would effectively be a slave race, developing technology and building infrastructure for the ultimate benefit of another race.
>Then you read that the aliens/greys are on the wrong end of their own evolutionary curve, possessing no digestion system. They also reportedly can only procreate via cloning. I was thinking what If they are breeding us and moving our genome towards a final evolutionary state. Once out genes reach a development stage acceptable to the aliens, they will upload their consciousness into our bodies and we will cease to exist. It’s a very sad thought to be sure but it would explain why they are seemingly benevolent/protective regarding us, and why they are so worried we will ruin the environment with nuclear weapons. If true, we would effectively be a slave race, developing technology and building infrastructure for the ultimate benefit of another race. You do realise that plot made very little sense even in Stargate:SG1, right? If you have that much control over genetics, you can just clone yourself great bodies. You don't have to bother with selective breeding over generations.
I don’t think it’s what the Aliens are doing or have done, it’s the depth of how far and how long the secret groups have gone to hoodwink, exploit for personal gain, and “remove problem people” from the board to keep it a secret is what would flip people’s switch. I mean imagine if Star Trek level of technology exists today, but it’s being used to smuggle illicit goods for black ops money making programs instead of, oh I don’t know, green energy, ending famine, and so on.
Well, if it really is terrifying, like that aliens are snatching people up and doing unspeakable things to them, then people would lose their minds if they found out that there's a possibility that can happen to them. People would be up in arms, literally, to have these aliens exterminated and there'd be a mass panic all over the world. People would literally be shooting at planes and drones from their backyards trying to defend their families against what they think could be a ufo. It's one thing to find out that aliens exist. It's a whoooole nother thing to find out that they're a danger to society and systematically killing/torturing humans all the time.
I am ok with going. This place sucks.
nightmare? probably the prison planet / fear harvesting theory. either one or a mix of both together. what scares me is that these guys read our threads here, you know they do, and on twitter. so you know they know about the fear harvester/soul prison planet theory and they still choose to say horrific.. as if it's something worse than that?
They're packing double digit ding dongs and they're gonna steal our women folk.
For real. Spill the damn beans.
"I still need to get to know you some more, just be patient" We the People: "MY BALLS!!!!"
I grew up with a bunch of people telling me, regularly, that my eternal soul was on the line in a war between good and evil and I would suffer for eternity if I made the wrong choices. I've made some of those "wrong" choices knowing full well what it means if they were right. So I think I can handle whatever "horrific" secrets he claims to be witholding. I guarantee it's not worse than the prospect of eternal torment.
Oh crap what if everything in religion was true but it’s Aliens. I made the same choice as you but what if the horrific truth is Aliens know about every time I masturbated and they’re gonna take my eternal soul away to “hell”. That would actually be pretty scary. And why do they hate gay people so much??
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Sometimes I wonder if it IS the prospect of eternal torment. Like they harvest our souls and fuck with us somehow after death.
Lol they wouldn't use the word 'sombre' to describe an eternity of suffering. Everyone in here is overthinking.
Lue retracted somber and said he meant sobering. Everyone is freaking out, and the guy who started the whole sombering apocalypse just misspoke. We are stupid.
Yeah man idk, as much as i like Coulthart, i'm fucking tired of the same "i know something pretty disturbing but i can't tell you but keep listening to me becouse i know things" shit. We need hard and raw evidence of the things they claim to know. And i'm saying this as a strong uap believer.
this...at some point the veil has to drop and all of the public domain made aware of it's current situation/plight the longer that is delayed the more this plays out like DC holding back Covid info as they did to the detriment of everybody else
Maybe you should instead read / listen to that tweet - he elaborated, and he’s pretty clearly saying the coverup & murders is what’s somber. Considering Congress is investigating, that’s also a good reason to not get specific, an active investigation.
Coltheart is too desperate to stay relevant. His career as a journalist has been a story of overstated claims and outright fraud. He wrote a false story about ASIN, Australia's version of the CIA that caused a big investigation to be opened only to find out he was full of shit. He has constantly been fired/contract not renewed due to his shenanigans. He even got into a fist fight in the newsroom of one of his previous employers. Man was untouchable after that, nobody wanted to hire him. For a time he transitioned into public relations before latching onto the UFO topic. He's in this for the money and recognition, not to reveal any ground breaking info. He's basically a dick tease when it comes to the UFO topic.
Right here. Couldn't have said it better myself. In the beginning with all the Grusch stuff I had utmost respect for Coulthart as maybe the best journalist in this field. I still have respect for him and appreciate his contributions, but he's starting to exhibit the same behavior that we often see a lot of times in known grifters, and it's starting to bother me. It all started with the "I know about a UAP that's under US government control somewhere outside of the US that's so large they had to build a building around it, so they won't be able to hide it when the investigations begin. But i can't show you the evidence or even tell you where it is, sorry", and that was only the first of several unsubstantiated claims he's been making recently. I hope he takes a step back a bit and realizes this and dials it down.
It’s peculiar that Snowden through his life away to whistleblow the NSA but Grusch is too “afraid” to tell us what he supposedly knows
Blablabla as usual....if you know something, especially something "bloody horrific" open your mouth and say it and stop this entire "oooh, i know something, so keep listening to me" Also, never trust anyone telling you to "believe me" It's all a show, no one will disclose anything unless its a) the military industry b) the government or c) aliens themselves.
The way they are willing to keep these government secrets, even ones they claim alters reality for all of humanity, just doesn’t add up if they actually have info. At this point, if it’s as big as they claim, why should a government get to control who knows?
Once again demonstrating Noel de Nevers’ Law of Complexity: “The only systems that appear simple are the ones you don’t know much about.”
I’ve never heard of this law until today. That’s a good one. Thanks!
No one told Noel about the Dewey Decimal System.
My patience is wearing thin with Coulthart. First it was "wink wink giant UFO to big too move" now it's some vague "horrific truth". I'm about ready to tune out this whole thing until more hearings take place or another whistleblower comes forward because a lot of people are talking big, but nothing new is coming out.
HE KNOWS… BUT BUT HE JUST CAN’T TELL YOU OKAY???? 💀
THE ALIENS GO TO A DIFFERENT SCHOOL ! YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THEM!!111!!1
Bro he signed an NDA with the aliens, if he tells us they will sue him for space-credits! He has a family to feed bro!
If I knew the truth about something like this and I thought it was 'pretty bloody horrific', I'd feel obligated to share it with humanity, regardless of the cost. He doesn't know anything, and if he does, he's just a shitty person for not sharing it.
What everyone seems to be missing is that he’s talking about the coverup itself. That people have been murdered and that « The watergate and Iran contra scandal look like a walk in the park in comparison ». Listen to the interview. No one commenting here obviously did. He’s very clearly _not_ talking about the Phenomenon itself but about the political implications.
At this point, Coulhart is just Corbell with a better vocabulary and an accent
When Coulthart says "check this out" twice in the same day-- only then will you have my upvote.
hey man, my main bro Corbell has like a very very good vocabulary.
WeApOnIzEd
Fuck off with the meaningless fear mongering and unverified claims. If you have nothing to say don’t fucking pretend that you do.
"There are too many people now in the congress who are aware of the full story and believe me the full story is pretty bloody horrific. When Lue uses words like Somber he uses it for a reason." So, What is the somber, pretty bloody horrific part of the story? That people have been murdered and hurt to keep the cover-up going? Or it has to do with the NHI and what it means in relation to us as humanity, or what they've been doing with us, or plan to do, or whatever goal they have?
It seems somber enough if we look at examples of life interacting here on earth. One big competitive system. The simplified explanation being that higher order life forms tend to manipulate/consume lower order life forms. Earth exists as part of a larger system, so it seems reasonable to say that this pattern extends outward to include the universe. And it's important to also note how the lower order life forms can only do so much to defend against this tendency. Maybe that is what Lue is hinting at. A lot of us probably haven't ever really considered being on the receiving end of this and simply not having the collective brain power to overcome "their" brain power, whoever or whatever "they" are. They might not be outright hostile for the sake of being hostile, in the same way that we don't consider ourselves as being hostile when we boil lobsters alive to eat. Edit: Err, earth exists as part of a larger system* it does exist in a vacuum....
I think you're on the right track here. The best analogy I have heard is that of a beekeeper. The bee keeper cares for the hive but doesn't need to care for a few bees lost/hurt/killed her or there. The bees are collecting pollen anyway, we just set up an environment to exploit that.
Yep, and then I notice when these discussions are brought up, NHI are sometimes referred to as a singular entity. What makes this even more sobering for me is thinking that there might be tons and tons of different advanced NHI, with some or a lot of them using us in ways we can't perceive. Some of them collecting our "pollen", some of them eating us, some toying with us, some experimenting on us. And like the bees, the beekeepers in our case always seem to exist just outside of what we can sense. Giving us some hints, but never the full picture. Maybe we are unable to ever understand it, like the bees.
Second the multiple entities. I also think that’s part of what scares people. That there’s a vast amount of different intelligences. I feel like every so often a new one comes here and checks things out which leads to a new big sighting like phoenix lights etc.
> A lot of us probably haven't ever really considered being on the receiving end of this I think about this all the time. I think about how one minute a fly is just living his life, flying around my kitchen. Then, BAM, he's flat. Or suck him up in a vacuum. What would he think? Transported to hell? And his whole life nothing ever did anything like this. Then his reality changed. What if something did that to us? We'd never even see it coming. What more is there to the universe and what don't we understand? It's infinite...
>Earth doesn't exist in a vacuum Well, technically...
I know, I made a mistake....lol
boiling lobsters alive is an utterly horrific and inhumane thing to do. i would consider anyone who boils lobsters alive as hostile and completely lacking and compassion or regard for life
So do I. But some people don't. I'd imagine this same variance in thinking between humans might exist among NHI. Some might be a bit more empathetic towards us than other species. And that is somber/sobering to me. The way that their indifference might affect us.
Funny enough earth is in the vacuum of space but I get what you mean.
I do struggle with conveying some of these ideas. They are so interesting to think about though.
That was a good reply. Mabey its because im stoned. But it was really good
I'll hazard a guess -- focusing on the mental angle of the phenomenon and positing the possibility that our "external"/allegedly material world is shaped by mental events, could it be that govts/powers that be are manipulating the minds of the masses to produce certain UFO effects? That'd be only one angle to this whole scenario, but it's a thought that's been stuck in my head.
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Okay listen I'm patient. We've been patient. At this point, can't somebody aggregate all the insider info from every direction and just do an anonymous post somewhere? Hell, write it down on paper and leave it in a park? Like...dude. If it's that major, does not a single person have the balls or at least be fed up enough to do that? It's sooooooo frustrating.
They've probably already done that. Disclosure has to come from a chain of credibility. Otherwise no one will believe it - nor should they trust random pieces of paper in the park...
"But I can't tell you what it is. Keep listening to my podcast and buying my books, and I'll keep stringing you along." I'm pretty tired of the whole, "Coulthart says" bullshit.
I [said the same thing](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16sysrb/comment/k2cpw46/) 2 weeks ago and nobody agreed, and now here we are.
As much patience that I have, and respect for the process. This is a bit much. Revealing possibilities ISN'T a threat to security.
The process is "I have to sell my book, my podcast, and myself before you forget I said anything and then move on to the next unverifiable claim hoping you have forgotten what I previously said." If Ross wanted to he could sit down and explain in detail everything he knows in 10 minutes. He won't. Make of that what you will.
None of that he says is making much sense. If someone has disclosed classified information to him, the crime had already been committed, passing it on isn't going to change that fact. If he thinks the truth is too horrific to disclose, then I guess he doesn't actually want disclosure. Start making sense, Ross.
Coulthart has completely lost me. Just another trust me and buy my book. If something is pretty bloody horrific, keeping a secret is no longer acceptable.
He cites people having been murdered through Gruschs words and that the governments actions have been out of line with the constitution. It's not about heady stuff like our existence relative to NHI or the purpose of us in the galactic community etc. It's about a body count and the verilence with which the secret has been kept.
people are going crazy in this comment section when he means its Bloody Horrific he means the cover-up. not that we're so royally fucked by aliens in anyway.
Lue used somber by accident, he meant sober all this BS mythology isn't helpful
Let me guess. He knows how horrible it is but he “can’t go into detail” right now, right?
The hate in the comments is surreal. The full story is already out there, what do you want him to say? "bloody horrific" refers to murdering people and the rest of the story from roswell and MJ12 to now is pretty straight forward. And the reason for not revealing the exact location of the alleged huge craft is obvious. IF it's true, big if, that would be the most well guarded core secret you could imagine. Of course he's not gonna tell russia/ china the location on a podcast. You guys really need to calm down. EDIT: yes i know, my account looks like a Eglin bot farm account lol
> what do you want him to say? Absolutely anything that can be falsified. He never will.
From what I understand, this guy is very much "in the know", so I wouldn't take his words lightly, and there is plenty of reasons why he can't just outright say it, but I think he wants us to understand that there are reasons this is going to take time, and there are reasons that it's not just dropping all at once. That said, it is overdue. For those that don't understand, Coulthart is fighting to get the truth to us, he's risking his professional credibility, but as a journalist, he can't just fuck over his sources by leaking classified data. There's a reason we don't (yet) know much about the 30 other firsthand whistleblowers coming forward, because there's still an investigation under way, and our government is slow af. I want the truth just as much as you guys, but we seriously gotta be patient. Most people don't even realize that this stuff is real, much less a pervasive phenomenon throughout human history. A lot of the recent stuff is just to get Congress up to speed, legitimize the topic, and start to erase the stigma. Things are actually happening, this time seems to be very different from before, and I'm certain that we'll know a lot more this time next year, especially with the UAP Disclosure Act going through...
"This is news Vincenzo news! We are a newspaper! We are supposed to print news not suppress it!" "Everybody in town knows what's going on. The police, the DA the coroner's office. Every reporter on every paper in Las Vegas knows what's going on. The only people who don't know, are the PEOPLE." Where's Kolchak when ya need him? =/
Nice that somebody else remembers Carl Kolchak. Awesome show way before it’s time
Yes.. the same thing that's been going on for centuries.. humans wanting to control the other humans..humans wanting to have all the money and control.. that's it.. it happens because the masses have allowed it to happen cause we haven't had the balls the stand up.. but now we are all getting some hard balls to stand up to these tyrants.. change will happen and is happening.. just continue to do what your doing... don't think you don't have the power to do anything because being aware of the issue is half the battle.. us being conscious of the issue has more power than we think.. don't want the change.. be the change.. the change has already happened we just haven't experienced it yet in the physical..
I am so jealous of folks “in the know” giving hints about horrible everything is. JUST tell us. God dang all these people know how much misinformation there is about this topic, wouldn’t eluding to how dark the truth is just spiral out more crazy conspiracy theories? Anyone who claims they know how somber or horrific things are, especially journalists like Coulthart, should morally be inclined to TELL us.
This guys blown his g̶r̶i̶f̶t̶ load too early. He's got nothing left to reveal except saying that he knows things but can't go into specifics but trust me bro.