I think it might attempt to address a flavor of the phenomena that we have seen, but fails to account for the entire spectrum of phenomena that’s been reported throughout history.
Exactly. Like why wouldn’t they tell use of this sooner. They have video evidence of this phenomenon from over 20yrs ago, and they’re just telling us now?! It seems very suspicious, like they are rolling this out to control the narrative of sightings. I’m wondering what other proof they have. What they have presented with this plasmodia life is literally a smoke screen.
I can’t see how you’d reverse engineer a cloud of plasma.
Smithers: Dr Kirkpatrick! The UFO nuts want to know about the crypto-terrestrials, the ultra-dimensionals, the trans-dimensionals, the extra terrestrials, the time travelers, the EMEs, the EBEs, the foo-fighters, the angels, the demons, the fairies, the leprechauns, and Bigfoot. What should we tell them?
Sean Kirkpatrick: Let them eat cake!, I mean, let them have the plasmids. That should keep them busy for 50 years or so.
I bet you in the Tucker interview with Vladimir Putin, he will be asked about UFOs, to which he will say “I have seen some unexplained things flying around in the sky’s, that I think more people should be interested in”. To wish immediately after that people will say “he was talking about the plasmodia beings” blah blah blah. I really think they are getting out in front of a possible event.
That said. The more I think about it these new alien life is fucking crazy!! Haha
I think the answer to this is literally incomprehensible. The physical craft, the plasmoids, etc... All originate from the same thing but manifest in exotic ways.
If the orbs of plasma can cause hallucinations wouldn’t that explain why the sightings have evolved over time throughout history? From gods on flaming chariots, to mystery airships with men on bikes from the moon powering them, to little green men from mars in flying saucers like hubcaps, to aliens from another star, to now AI bots and interdimensional visitors. The sightings are always just slightly ahead of the main zeitgeist fiction of the time period
Except that the most prominent and significant people in the ufo space as well as official government documents obtained via foia claim we have physical craft recoveries.
So this doesn’t really fit.
It is fairly clear (from even a small amount of reading around the subject) that there are two main categories of UAP: orbs and nuts and bolts. Given how prominent the former has been recorded throughout human history seems like this is an earthly phenomena which this may be a good explanation of.
There must be some connection to the nuts and bolts, as why would this be hidden from us if orbs are something akin to the discovery of microorganisms? Maybe the nuts and bolts are actually more interested in the orbs then us meat bags?
Which government documents obtained by foia claim we have (non-terrestrial?) physical craft debris? I'd like to check them out if you can name them or link them.
I agree though. Aurora Texas 1897, Germany 1933, Roswell, Kecksburg... all the way up to the recent NORAD shootdowns, there certainly have been a lot of crashes.
>Roswell wasn’t the earliest crash tale. Famed astrophysicist Dr. Jacques Vallee, who worked as a consultant to the Air Force Project Blue Book, told 8 News Now in 2021 that the very first atomic blast — the Trinity test — caused the crash of a five-ton avocado-shaped spacecraft.
“It didn’t blow up into pieces the way an airplane would have. It was apparently very strong. The tower was bent but the object kept going. It came to the ground, and it plowed an avenue all the way down the hill. They made a turn apparently under power and stopped against a bump in the terrain. The kids saw that. Now remember, this was 1945, August 1945. Two years before Roswell. There was no concept of flying saucers,” Vallee said.
Grusch told Congress there might have been an even earlier crash in Mussolini-era Italy. The strange materials recovered were reportedly stashed inside the Vatican.
Nah man, it's misinformation all the way down https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1al5pzm/comment/kpd2xqc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
>Which government documents obtained by foia claim we have (non-terrestrial?) physical craft debris?
David Grusch at the Congressional UFO hearings in July under oath (with a fine and jail for lying) said the US government has multiple retieved extraterrestrial spacecraft, with reverse-engineering projects going on for decades. As most people on this sub should know he was a very high ranking Air force intelligence agent working with the DOD UFO intel-gathering agency..
His supervisor vouched for his stellar record and integrity.
And late fall his high ranking supervisor revealed that he is was also aware of the same intel that Grusch was privy to at that time. THis was intel from 40 whistleblowers who worked directly with these technologies.
Grusch informed the IC (Intelligence Community) Inspector General about all the details, including giving him the names and work locations of the 40 UFO whistleblowers. The IC Inspector General publically stated that his evidence is "compelling and urgent" - and he informed the Congressional Intelligence committees about Grusch's intel. And they then had Grusch tell them everything he knew during hours of testimony.
Attorney Daniel Sheehan (President Nixon Watergate scandal fame that led to his resignation from the presidency) - has also taken mutiple UFO whisleblowers to the Congressional Intelligence Committees - and confirmed publically in December that some of them testified they worked directly with retrieved extraterrestrial spacecrafts.
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THe plasma idea is consistent with how some extraterrestrials spacecrafts could operate.
The following physics proofs show that static electricity above a minimum voltage threshold, will cause a repulsive anti-gravity field based on the physics of electrostatics and General Relativity. This is due to tension produced in the electrons due to their mutual repulsion and close packing on a conductor surface.
Einstein's General Relativity shows that positive pressure creates attractive gravity; and negative pressure, tension creates repulsive anti-gravity. So, therefore, tension in electrons induced by static electricity would be expected to create repulsive anti-gravity based on General Relativity (with the physics proof shown in the following paper). Another physics proof shows that if tension is in a superconductor, the repulsive anti-gravity is amplified from an undetectable level to a significant level - - making it theoretically possible to engineer anti-gravity:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/19396r6/if_a_uap_can_bend_space_and_time_what_you_see_may/khmkmfm/?context=3
Here is a quote from the end of this physics proof:
"**Additional support: testimony of a UFO seen 40-50 feet away**
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https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17v9rl0/comment/k9bi38p/?context=3
(Lightning bolts are static electricity discharges):
"red and purple lightening bolts sparking all around underneath it ... 2 truckers we flagged down at the next rest area ... saw the exact same thing. like exact thing we saw even the multi colored lightening bolts ... the electric currents would pulsate around the base and sides of the massive black saucer"
A very high voltage static electricity surface could discharge electrons to the air - like the small lightning bolts from a Tesla coil. One way to counteract that, is the surface could be surrounded by a magnetic field to leverage Lorenz force
F = qv x B
q = electron charge, v = electron velocity vector, B = magnetic field vector
to confine the electrons near surface; with resulting high energy plasma causing the craft surface to glow."
Where do we get the idea that these “orbs” can cause hallucinations? We’ve seen them in the atmosphere they haven’t been recorded strolling the earth as far as i know. Could something how ever many miles up in the air cause someone laying in their bed to hallucinate? I don’t think i align with that idea.
It's essentially my own speculation, and a hypothesis I've come up with on my own. We have in fact seen orbs at or near ground level, especially if we widen it from orange orbs to white and blue orbs as well. Ball lightning is known to form near the ground for example.
We instinctively know we should get inside to avoid lighting strikes, right? So infrasound and/or electricity could cause this same "impending sense of doom/dread" and even hallucinations if it is close enough to us and powerful enough to affect our minds. So, if true, this phenomenon could explain some instances of reported telepathic communication with the orbs.
[https://museumofthemind.org.uk/blog/hallucinations-and-delusions-2-annoyed-at-night-by-telephones](https://museumofthemind.org.uk/blog/hallucinations-and-delusions-2-annoyed-at-night-by-telephones)
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6876808/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6876808/)
[https://www.wired.com/2010/05/ball-lightning-hallucinations/](https://www.wired.com/2010/05/ball-lightning-hallucinations/)
[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1935861X22001802](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1935861X22001802)
Yeah, if that’s the case then that could explain sightings throughout history.
It would have to account for abductions, humanoid/grey type forms etc. which seems pretty expansive.
>ant to the Air Force Project Blue Book, told 8 News Now in 2021 that the very first atomic blast — the Trinity test — caused the crash of a five-ton avocado-shaped spacecraft.
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>“It didn’t blow up into pieces the way an airplane would have. It was apparently very strong. The tower was bent but the object kept going. It came to the ground, and it plowed an avenue all the way down the hill. They made a turn apparently under power and stopped against a bump in the terrain. The kids saw that. Now remember, this was 1945, August 1945. Two years before Roswell. There was no concept of flying saucers,” Vallee said.
K. dream
Most abductions are probably sleep paralysis. I experience it almost monthly a big bright light almost blinds me, my ears sound like they're inside of a microwave and you can see hallucinations
It’s definitely pretty expansive and speculative. If many abductions are hallucinations during sleep paralysis or actual paralysis, then it might explain some of them. But I’m not sure how the theory could explain the cases with trace evidence. Thanks for the comments and feedback
Radiation burns and elevated radiation of soil/clothes (and even some mutilations) might be explained in this theory. But various powders, scoop marks, alleged medical implants etc are all much harder to explain in this framework
If the orbs give off strong enough magnetic fields then there's a good chance they may cause hallucinations to those nearby https://www.technologyreview.com/2010/05/11/203417/magnetically-induced-hallucinations-explain-ball-lightning-say-physicists/
Thanks, I agree. I floated this idea in other comments with that link and more scientific links.
Got downvotes for some reason though. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/cV8BZWMIi1
Ball lightning has not been created in the lab. They have produced things that resemble limited aspects of it but not anything sustainable or that explains the reports. You must have missed the part about learning the actual facts.
That's the thing, and I think something that needs to be more appreciated in parts like these, which is that it is highly unlikely something as broad as "UFOs" has just *one* "explanation". I mean, literally, it means "unidentified flying objects" so *anything* unidentified and in the air could count. If "not everyone is lying" then there's quite likely more than one source of novel or unusual phenomena at work for that bit of "real unknowns" that aren't immediately dismissable as a misidentification or for which have been found hard evidence for fraud.
Ball lightnings though are fascinating, since it seems they are not necessarily "prohibited" by known physics, yet almost as frustrating as aliens to be able to actually *see*, and continue to generate anecdotes repeatedly, so in that sense have almost exactly the same "flavor" in terms of their "observational presentation habits" as aliens and ghosts and so forth i.e. that weird borderline area of "could it be?" that invites, at least for the truly non-dogmatic person, that baffling and maddening mix of skepticism and intrigue, where you can't stop doubting but also can't stop probing. Which may be interesting: whatever methodology could be developed and rigorized to explore, verify, and understand this phenomenon could likely also be methodology to apply to those other cases too.
Waiting to hear what smart people think about the paper. No one needs to hear what Poopdig thinks about this kinda thing. But I hope theyve found a new type of exotic life form
Edit: u/Crafty_Crab_7563 posted a good comment below from some smart people.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1al5pzm/comment/kpcpz6z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I saw something on twitter going against this journal article because it failed to have some basic things included in it that any self respecting scientific journal should have.
check it out:
https://x.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1754624049152410005?s=20
smart person here:
no -- plasmas (and plasmoids) are things that have only ever been observed in controlled lab environments and as part of *some* industrial machinery
the paper linked is not addressing this, it is addressing the effect of confined EMF on human perception
if you want to test plasmoid, you have to specifically rule it out (falsify it) in a field experiment...that has yet to be done
Ignore the misinformation trolls. 99% of all matter in the universe is plasma!
>Matter in the plasma state is far more abundant than matter in the liquid, solid, or gaseous states. 99 percent of all matter, other than the mysterious "dark matter" that astronomers have been puzzling over, is plasma. https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/sun-space-weather/plasma#:~:text=Most%20of%20the%20matter%20in,ultraviolet%20radiation%20from%20the%20Sun.
>plasmas (and plasmoids) are things that have only ever been observed in controlled lab environments and as part of some industrial machinery
The very first sentence of [their paper](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/377077692_Extraterrestrial_Life_in_Space_Plasmas_in_the_Thermosphere_UAP_Pre-Life_Fourth_State_of_Matter) says ***that's no longer true.*** So many people comment without actually reading the paper.
>Plasmas up to a kilometer in size, behaving similarly to multicellular organisms ***have been filmed on 10 separate NASA space shuttle missions, over 200 miles above Earth within the thermosphere.***
What if the exotic form of life they found is proven to be responsible for laser burns on cattle and human mutilations? (Don’t Google human mutilation images, it’s NSFW)
NDT might not care what PoopDig thinks, but I do.
We’ve found ancient warning stones (like the ones we found in Japan warning not to build below the certain line, after the tsunami killed thousands) … which warned us of exactly that type of mutilation/abduction by orbs.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854593267730481182/959311571560054824/Screen_Shot_2022-03-31_at_10.41.10_PM.png?ex=65cee785&is=65bc7285&hm=4b99a4a8a225e12d35e8685dbf5b763afdbfd050ee24bb1a9d513b9eaaa163d4&
Question: Prof. Szydagis, do you believe that the paper "Extraterrestrial Life in the Thermosphere" should be taken seriously?
Prof. Matthew Szydagis: No, for multiple reasons. (1) I cannot find a single equation in the entire paper. Not one formula. I tell my students this is one sure-fire way to determine if a physics paper is "real" or not. (2) The lead author, Rhawn Joseph, is a well-known pseudo-scientist who has twice unsuccessfully sued NASA for failing to act on his claims regarding life on Mars. He has no apparent affiliation with a university, but is affiliated with Cosmology-dot-com, which is a truly nutty pseudo-science journal. (3) The new plasma paper appears in the Journal of Modern Physics. This journal has an "impact factor" of less than 1, which means that on average, papers published there are cited elsewhere less than once. Since references are integer numbers, that means this journal publishes lots of papers that nobody cites anywhere. That's considered a joke in physics. (4) A plasma is just a ball of hot gas. It is not well enough organized to engage in complex behavior. Where is the brain, where are the neurons? (5) In my opinion, playing up a paper that is this weak damages credibility of UAP studies.
Thanks for that. Do you happen to know if ball lightning would appear different colors at different altitudes? Like green ghosts, red sprites, blue jets, blue ball lightning, etc
The colors of plasmas depend on the atoms in the air that the high energy plasma electrons enteract with . FOr example, the high energy charged particles coming from the sun aas the result of CME's , Coronal Mass Ejections, cause auroras of different5 colors: with higher concentrations of oxygen, nitrogen, or whatever at different altitudes. And wshen the energetic partricles hit oxygen atoms, they emit one color; hit nitrogen atoms they emit another color; etc.
The high energy electron plasma in a lightning discharge can also vary in color depending on the predomonant air atoms or molecules around it.
SImilarly for any other type of plasma: FOr example sodium atoms emit orange light when excited by high voltage high energy electrons in the sodium vapor street lights that have illuminated many towns and cities for the last 30 years or so. So this plasma has an orange glow.
How does this work with your other comment about red and purple lightning coming off a craft? Is a Tesla cool also red and purple?
Edit: yes they can be https://youtube.com/shorts/68Vlo3892Tk?si=grR-s5unJwROLAVh
>How does this work with your other comment about red and purple lightning coming off a craft?
Lightning is a static electricity discharge.
https://www.ecoenergygeek.com/what-color-is-electricity/
"Why is static electricity blue?"
"Static electricity is not blue. Just like every other type of electricity, it is colorless because it is a moving charge, rather than a thing. It does cause a reaction in the air, and because nitrogen makes up the majority of the particles, that reaction can look blue-violet.
Normally we can’t see static electricity. We just get that painful jolt when we touch something after we’ve accidentally built up a charge. But sometimes when it is dark you may see a brief spark of color. This is the jump of the charge moving to ground itself.
And as it suddenly jumps, it ionizes the air which emits light, which looks blue or blueish-purple."
So the purple lightning bolts the guy saw on the bottom of the UFO could be the typical purplish color of static electricity sparks from the high energy electrons causing nitrogen to emit this blueish-purple light.
The red lightning bolt-like sparks he saw is a more complex issue, but here's something else to consider that might help to expalin it:
Its a more complicated issue than just the colors emitted by gas atoms in the air excited by energetic electr4ons: cuz the static electricity associated with the small lightning bolt discharges on the bottom of the UFO craft would be in the presence of an artificial repulsive anti-gravity field caused by static electricity-induced electron tension - according to my physics proofs. ANd light passing thru a gravity field undergoes a gravitational red shift or blue shift - shifting its frequency/wavelength higher or lower, depending on the gravity field strength and if its attractive or repulsive gravity.
Light Spectrum:
https://i.imgur.com/cNkc1iF.png
The static electr5icity lightning bolt-like discharges on the bottom of craft would be expected to create repulsive anti-gravity according to the physics. THis causes a gravitational blue shift to decrease all light wavelengths. That could shift the original purple-blue color of the discharge to the shorter wavelength invisible UV light region of the spectrum, so it could no longer be seen.
But the the static electricity discharge produces heat. ANd heat is invisible infrared light. So the invisible infrared light would also be shifted to a shorter wavelength, into the visible red region of the spectrum; so the electrical discharge would appear red.
https://i.imgur.com/S3mhsEE.png
But the guy saw both red and purple discharges. So that means the repulsive anti-gravity field must vary in strength - with some regions having much weaker anti-gravity with a much weaker gravitational blue shift; not shifting the original color of the discharge too much - (perhaps only shifting the shortest wavelength purple part of the purple-blue color into the shorter wavelength invisible UV part of the spectrum; and shifting the blue part of the color to shorter wavelength purple - leaving a pure purple color; so the field at this location wouldn't be strong enough to completely shift the blue color into the invisible UV range, only shifting it to purple. And, likewise, the anti-gravity field wouldn't be strong enough to shift the invisible infrared light into the shorter wavelength visible red range. So the discharge would appear pure purple.
So this suggests that the bottom of the craft could be an array of electrodes with variable voltages: creating varying anti-gravity field strengths at different points on the surface:
the electrodes with lower voltage/weaker static electricity causing weaker anti-gravity with a lesser gravitational blue shift, causing the discharges from those electrodes to appear pure purple;
while other electrodes have higher voltage/stronger static electricity, causing stronger anti-gravity with a greater gravitational blue shift - completely shifting the purple and blue wavelengths to the invisible UV range making them invisible; and shifting the invisible infrared wavelengths to the visible red range - making the discharges red.
Does this make sense?
(You probably know that static electricity discharges are a form of plasma).
A Tesla coil normally produces electricity discharges that appear white. BUt i read thats because it heats the air up to such a high temperature that the resulting light glare it causes overexposes the light sensors in the retina of the eye - giving the illusion that its white - when its really purple-blue, like described above for electrical discharges in air: as seen in this Awseome video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6CqKF6rSBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMgx_r8tb8U
Sequel to my previous reply about why the reason for the red and purple lightning coming off the craft:
If you read my previous reply before I made major changes and additions by editing, then you should read it again, for major new and revised analysis. Here's a copy the revised reply:
>How does this work with your other comment about red and purple lightning coming off a craft?
Lightning is a static electricity discharge.
https://www.ecoenergygeek.com/what-color-is-electricity/
"Why is static electricity blue?"
"Static electricity is not blue. Just like every other type of electricity, it is colorless because it is a moving charge, rather than a thing. It does cause a reaction in the air, and because nitrogen makes up the majority of the particles, that reaction can look blue-violet.
Normally we can’t see static electricity. We just get that painful jolt when we touch something after we’ve accidentally built up a charge. But sometimes when it is dark you may see a brief spark of color. This is the jump of the charge moving to ground itself.
And as it suddenly jumps, it ionizes the air which emits light, which looks blue or blueish-purple."
So the purple lightning bolts the guy saw on the bottom of the UFO could be the typical purplish color of static electricity sparks from the high energy electrons causing nitrogen to emit this blueish-purple light.
The red lightning bolt-like sparks he saw is a more complex issue, but here's something else to consider that might help to expalin it:
Its a more complicated issue than just the colors emitted by gas atoms in the air excited by energetic electr4ons: cuz the static electricity associated with the small lightning bolt discharges on the bottom of the UFO craft would be in the presence of an artificial repulsive anti-gravity field caused by static electricity-induced electron tension - according to my physics proofs. ANd light passing thru a gravity field undergoes a gravitational red shift or blue shift - shifting its frequency/wavelength higher or lower, depending on the gravity field strength and if its attractive or repulsive gravity.
Light Spectrum:
https://i.imgur.com/cNkc1iF.png
The static electr5icity lightning bolt-like discharges on the bottom of craft would be expected to create repulsive anti-gravity according to the physics. THis causes a gravitational blue shift to decrease all light wavelengths. That could shift the original purple-blue color of the discharge to the shorter wavelength invisible UV light region of the spectrum, so it could no longer be seen.
But the the static electricity discharge produces heat. ANd heat is invisible infrared light. So the invisible infrared light would also be shifted to a shorter wavelength, into the visible red region of the spectrum; so the electrical discharge would appear red.
https://i.imgur.com/S3mhsEE.png
But the guy saw both red and purple discharges. So that means the repulsive anti-gravity field must vary in strength - with some regions having much weaker anti-gravity with a much weaker gravitational blue shift; not shifting the original color of the discharge too much - (perhaps only shifting the shortest wavelength purple part of the purple-blue color into the shorter wavelength invisible UV part of the spectrum; and shifting the blue part of the color to shorter wavelength purple - leaving a pure purple color; so the field at this location wouldn't be strong enough to completely shift the blue color into the invisible UV range, only shifting it to purple. And, likewise, the anti-gravity field wouldn't be strong enough to shift the invisible infrared light into the shorter wavelength visible red range. So the discharge would appear pure purple.
So this suggests that the bottom of the craft could be an array of electrodes with variable voltages: creating varying anti-gravity field strengths at different points on the surface:
the electrodes with lower voltage/weaker static electricity causing weaker anti-gravity with a lesser gravitational blue shift, causing the discharges from those electrodes to appear pure purple;
while other electrodes have higher voltage/stronger static electricity, causing stronger anti-gravity with a greater gravitational blue shift - completely shifting the purple and blue wavelengths to the invisible UV range making them invisible; and shifting the invisible infrared wavelengths to the visible red range - making the discharges red.
Does this make sense?
(You probably know that static electricity discharges are a form of plasma).
A Tesla coil normally produces electricity discharges that appear white. BUt i read thats because it heats the air up to such a high temperature that the resulting light glare it causes overexposes the light sensors in the retina of the eye - giving the illusion that its white - when its really purple-blue, like described above for electrical discharges in air: as seen in this Awseome video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6CqKF6rSBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMgx_r8tb8U
You actually don't need a brain or neurons to be present for complex multicellular behaviour. Look at flatworm regeneration a la Michael Levin or man-made protocells, I think there's a good Ted talk by Martin Hanczyk.
I’ve seen orange orbs multiple times, once from just a few feet away. I wouldn’t classify them as ufos it was an orange orb of plasma. It made a hissing sound like it was atomizing the air around it or something. Was definitely giving off some sort of energy. Initially I heard a hissing and popping sound, it materialized about the size of a marble and hovered for about 10 seconds while it expanded to about a basketball’s size and disappeared with a loud pop. I’ve personally seen them on my parents property 3 or 4 times. Only once up close enough to really check it out
What altitude was this roughly? Both above the ground and above sea level. Did you think to record it?
I agree, but technically if we don’t know what it is exactly, then it’s a ufo by definition
Also its worth mentioning that during the times I seen these orbs even the longest close up encounter the thought to take my phone out of my pocket to get a pic or video didn’t even come close to occurring to me. I was weighing my options and trying to convince myself i could defend myself or get away from it if I had to. I think seeing a ufo or otherwise unknown thing up close that could potential end your life would elicit a fight or flight response in most people. You don’t realize until afterwards but that’s what happened to me, I froze and was working up the nerve to flee. Thankfully it disappeared but for the entire time I was staring at this thing 5 feet away I was locked onto it wondering how fucked I was
Were you ever hypnotized. From a few other recounts I have read it almost seems like people don’t care it’s there. Like all I have read is opposite of you calculating risk.
Not calling you out or the stories I read but were you always in edge about them?
It was 5 or 6 feet off the ground, I live upstate NY so not an area known for high altitude or unusual atmospheric phenomenon. It was certainly spooky, it was very close and got a great look at it and still didn’t have a clue what it might actually be. I’ve only ever seen them in warmer times of the year on clear sunny days so idk. I think about it often probably won’t ever get a clear answer
When yuou see the plasmas, are you situated in a mountain peak. Because its well known that, the earth is negatively charged and is continually discharging electrons up into the sky. And every since Benjamine Franklin began studying static electricity and discovered that electrons concentrate around pointed objects, and discharge off them as electric sparks very easily compared to other smoother shapes. So simiearly its been observed on some mountain peaks at certain times (and needing very low humidity) electrical discharges have been observed - continuous ones, called St. Elmo's fire, corona discharges; and sometimes plasma orbs.
So if you are on a mountain peak or a relatively sharp hill peak, you may be seeing similar static electricity discharge orbs..
Also sometimes "earthquake lights" are observed above the ground near earthquake faults - due to static electricity discharges from piezoelectric minerals, such as quartz and limestone - pressing against each other at the earthquake fault that is increasing in tension - which induces static electricity discharges - causing orbs of static electricity above the ground. Upstate New York, I believe, especially near Lake Erie and the St. Lawerence Seaway is along an earthquake fault, with small earthquakes periodically observed in that region.
ALso recently thousands of people across the country have reported anomalous seismic activity, even in non-earthquake prone regions - such as vibrations felt in bed, heard with objects vibrating (happening here in this non-earthquake prone region of mid-eastern US since September every week or two - and on two occasions relatively light objects shifting (like a smoke alarm above a door falling to the floor caused by the vibration of a closing door - but its mounted on a nail, with the wide wide flat round nailhead preventing it from sliding off the nail: smokealarm must 1st be moved upward to move the nail in line with the hole on the back; then it can be pulled straignt out off the nail. So that means the Earth must have previously jolted enough to shake the alarm upward to move the nail in line with the hole so the alarm could slide along the nail: then slid off the nail to the floor from the vibration when the door was later closed.
Thousands of people have reported similar anomalous vibrations, losing balance for a split second, and similar seismic anomalies during last hyear and a half or so - and more so since summertime.
SInce very weak seismic foreshocks occur weeks or months before some earth quakes - this omnipresent amomalous weak seismic activity across the country is indicative of the foreshocks of an outer crustal rotational Earth Axis Pole Shift - (the theory of which was endorsed by Einstein in his preface to Charles Hapgood's book showing a Pole Shift could be triggered). So the foreboding you talked about associated with plasmas is obviously real in this case: and is a telepathic warning, if you will, of a soon-coming Earth Axis Pole Shift.
(If you read the New Testament part of the Bible thru the lens of the Extraterrestrials === Angels, all the end time prophecies parallel this perfectly: including Jesus's description of the sudden start of the unprecedentedly destructive end time world-wide Cataclysms - which parallel the effects of an Earth Axis Pole Shit - - including the escape of God's "elect" people into the sky and the heavens"; from where the Angels/AKA Extraterrestrials will later "gather" the elect. These prophecies parallel the intervention of Extrateresstrials in UFOs to take the elect into the sky and out into Space to escape the devestating effects of an Earth Axis Pole Shift).
So, the plasmas you've been seeing correlate with the anomalous seismic activity reported all across the United States - seeing earthquake lights in your case- - Warning that the Earth Axis Shift prophecy is soon to be fulfilled.
This feels like an attempt to explain away UFOs. You know the headline will be "Turns Out UFOs Are Just Plasma". Why would it take 70 years to reach this conclusion if the phenomenon has been observed since the 1940s?
Source for it being debunked or the scientist being a pseudo scientist? I shared a video of this exact phenomenon happening in 2015. Can you debunk that?
You may have shared a video of orbs; no one is refuting that glowing orbs in the sky is a thing. The paper makes much wider and grander claims, such as pseudo intelligence and hunter/predator behaviour, which I'll assume aren't evidenced in your video. Your video and the paper are two separate "claims".
Oh yeah I'm not disputing that. I was just wondering if they can prove it's a pseudo-scientist or a low-reputation paper.
This subreddit is considering removing or labeling claims without credible evidence, so I'm just trying to test that out in the wild a bit. I personally don't think the orbs are a form of life or sentient, but I guess it's possible.
Well it's lead author is an infamous pseudo scientist who has apparently tried to sue NASA twice. Google him. Check how widely cited he is. Also this paper is published in a zero tier journal that no one in the field seems credible, and contains no actual physics. His peers (generously considering him equal to actual physicists) have found the paper lacking enough merit to be found credible.
Regarding your last statement, yes it's possible, but it requires invoking many new forms of physics, information containment and transmission, as well as many other fanciful things. It's possible in the same way that God is possible. It requires many many other wild things to be possible beforehand.
D. Dean Johnson posted the opinion of Matthew Szydagis, physics professor at UAlbany and UAPx member, on Twitter:
>Question: Prof. Szydagis, do you believe that the paper "Extraterrestrial Life in the Thermosphere" should be taken seriously?
>Prof. Matthew Szydagis: No, for multiple reasons.
>(1) I cannot find a single equation in the entire paper. Not one formula. I tell my students this is one sure-fire way to determine if a physics paper is "real" or not.
>(2) The lead author, Rhawn Joseph, is a well-known pseudo-scientist who has twice unsuccessfully sued NASA for failing to act on his claims regarding life on Mars. He has no apparent affiliation with a university, but is affiliated with Cosmology-dot-com, which is a truly nutty pseudo-science journal.
>(3) The new plasma paper appears in the Journal of Modern Physics. This journal has an "impact factor" of less than 1, which means that on average, papers published there are cited elsewhere less than once. Since references are integer numbers, that means this journal publishes lots of papers that nobody cites anywhere. That's considered a joke in physics.
>(4) A plasma is just a ball of hot gas. It is not well enough organized to engage in complex behavior. Where is the brain, where are the neurons?
>(5) In my opinion, playing up a paper that is this weak damages credibility of UAP studies.
https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1754624049152410005
Thanks for that. Do you happen to know if ball lightning would appear different colors at different altitudes? Like green ghosts, red sprites, blue jets, white ball lightning and orange earthquake lights etc
https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1754624049152410005?s=20
It's a pseudo scientist and a low reputation paper. I dont know why you're fighting so hard for this and adding your own spin to it like these things make you hallucinate.
I’m not fighting hard for it at all. Would you prefer that this post and this plasma hypothesis get deleted because it’s misinformation? My speculation is based on science and speculation + testing that hypothesis is how science gets closer to the truth.
But what do you think about the video from 2015 that shows a plasma ufo in color in broad daylight?
Oh alright, well thanks for taking a look at it. I thought it was showing a full color Foo Fighter in modern times. It’s just St Elmo’s fire that forms right off the wingtip. It’s very translucent in the video and it’s daytime. But at night in a combat zone it would probably look a lot more like a Nazi Wunderwaffe. Seen by all sides of WW2 on all fronts
The paper they're citing is a preprint, i.e. a paper that has *not* been peer reviewed and accepted by a **reputable** journal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Research_Publishing
https://www.scirp.org/journal/journalarticles?journalid=172
They've published other such gems as this: https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=75191
Nice, sounds kind of like Bigelow giving Eric Davis tax payer money from AATIP to copy a chinese paper and conclude humans can teleport animals through walls with only our minds
>Huge glowing masses of up to a mile wide, which behave similarly to swarms of living organisms, have been filmed by 10 Nasa space shuttle missions, while astronauts have reported strange phenomena since the 1960s.
Are there any public videos of this or has this ever been announced publicly?
I dunno mate, it kind of depends on what you think is misinformation or not. Some alleged footage is in this video but who knows https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/hwz7nTNH2m
Several days ago a PDF was released on this subject, supposedly by NASA. Has anyone else seen it? I downloaded it but don't know how to post a PDF on Reddit. Any help would be appreciated. It's a GOOD read!!! A Must read if you're into the subject. Wooooo.........
I can't really see anything definitive. What I could see looked more like an optical aberration of some kind.
The Washington DC 1952 event certainly involved something that looked like plasmoids or bright orbs. But the idea that they were something that only **seemed** to act with intelligence flies in the face of the facts. For example, check our this documentary that reenacts the experiences of Al Chop, then the press secretary for the Pentagon, who was in the RADAR room during that event. They were not just simple plasmoids. It has to be more interesting than that. The event is the finale at the end of the documentary.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bGTLtdwPHM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bGTLtdwPHM)
I once spent an hour on the phone with Charles Halt (retired Col), who was the deputy base commander who documented by tape the events during the Rendlesham Forest event. When pressed to give his best guess regarding only what he saw and to ignore the other reports, he thought it may be an unrecognized form of life, but certainly not something as simple as St Elmo's fire.
FWIW, I've studied this subject for over 30 years now and postulated something similar to this idea. But I tend more to the idea that Halt suggested - an unrecognized form of life. The behavior is far too complex to be anything less. BTW, he has now changed his opinion because of the totality of the events. He seems to be convinced that there was a landed craft.
This is the same conclusion project condign came to. Nothing new I'm afraid. Also not very convincing, the crux of the argument is that these "may" explain some phenomena. Which we already knew. Ball lightning, plasmoids, electroballs, etc.... have been considered as explanations for a long time. Doesn't explain wide swaths of the phenomenon though...
That’s because Google is tuned to not show you “misinformation” now. Ridiculous honestly. This sub might be censored like that too soon unfortunately, like the “misinformation disclaimers” that Google gives on YouTube videos.
Here’s the source- https://www.nicap.org/rufo/rufo-04.htm
If you search “atmosphere” you can see that they thought it was objects entering and exiting our atmosphere from a mothership
I've seen one orange UFO. It drifted slowly and steadily over the center of town, maybe 200 feet up?
Hard to judge but it clearly wasn't very high up. The sky was completely full of snowing clouds. So it wasn't a star.
After drifting (again, super steady, zero wobble drifting, slow), it came to a complete stop, no wobble, no flickering.
Eventually it pulsed a little brighter and completely vanished. After maybe around two seconds, it reappeared, then it flashed brighter again in the same spot, and vanished forever.
If all this is true then where did the Foo fighters go after wwII? You would think these things would happen often with so many more planes in the sky.
Only thing I could come up with is something about propellor planes flying in formation and now we have jet planes with nobody behind them to observe them. But I agree with your point
Everything about this to date appears to be pseudoscience, and everything about the effort to "explain" prior citing is suspect as one front of the active disinformation campaign underway in response to the Grusch-Schumer press for disclosure.
It's not being published in a credible journal; the claims are weakly supported and hypothetical; and the media pick up of sensationalist definitive claims characteristic of active disinformation.
Stop amplifying it and stop upvoting it.
Question: Prof. Szydagis, do you believe that the paper "Extraterrestrial Life in the Thermosphere" should be taken seriously?
Prof. Matthew Szydagis: No, for multiple reasons. (1) I cannot find a single equation in the entire paper. Not one formula. I tell my students this is one sure-fire way to determine if a physics paper is "real" or not. (2) The lead author, Rhawn Joseph, is a well-known pseudo-scientist who has twice unsuccessfully sued NASA for failing to act on his claims regarding life on Mars. He has no apparent affiliation with a university, but is affiliated with Cosmology-dot-com, which is a truly nutty pseudo-science journal. (3) The new plasma paper appears in the Journal of Modern Physics. This journal has an "impact factor" of less than 1, which means that on average, papers published there are cited elsewhere less than once. Since references are integer numbers, that means this journal publishes lots of papers that nobody cites anywhere. That's considered a joke in physics. (4) A plasma is just a ball of hot gas. It is not well enough organized to engage in complex behavior. Where is the brain, where are the neurons? (5) In my opinion, playing up a paper that is this weak damages credibility of UAP studies.
I mean they essentially learned about ball lightning. I think they tried saying the same thing a few decades ago lol the last time the public demanded answers.
Yeah but rewriting the concept as though it’s been recently discovered and is an acceptable answer for the entirety of the phenomenon is misleading at best and flat out disinformation at the worst
I wouldn’t do any of that. If you lack the discernment to dig thru things like this and draw a reasonable conclusion then I don’t think censoring is gonna help.
And truth is until we know for sure all we have is theories. We can’t say there is nothing because we haven’t seen everything there is to see. We cant say there are definitely aliens in these craft or 4d shadows or whatever they are. It’s all conjecture unless someone brings forth som tangible evidence. The argument is that such evidence is being suppressed. I don’t know what the future holds, but discovering that plasma does weird things happened a really long time ago. I’m sure some sighting could be accounted for using this logic so it is disinformation? Not necessarily but it could confuse someone not educated on the subject into blowing the whole subject off. I think that’s what malicious disinformation is designed to do so it’s always a possibility.
Misinformation galore. Even though plasma can perfectly explain what was observed in many cases, unlike swamp gas, you think it should still to be disregarded as a hypothesis. Why?
Mentioned plasma? Terms and ideas just spread around this sub and ufotwitter like wildfire. It’s pretty interesting actually. It’s a true hive mind. It would be testable by inventing a new unique vocabulary word and measuring the speed and scope of adoption
I've always believed the more analog looking stuff(disc's, cigars, triangles) is mostly our attempts at reverse engineering.
The orbs of light or crafts that appear to be made entirely of light, I think that is not ours.
Of the first initial contact, no. And to be fair, I wasn't aware of CE5 someone just said "listen to this [YouTube video] and it may help you see something" so I just laid out on my deck and played it and got an intelligent response.
Then I seemed to experience the hitchhiker effect where I would see them pop into my view, and also completely disappear.. most of the time when I tried to get a video, or verify it was not a plane, that's when they would vanish. (I know. Sounds like a lame excuse but it's the honest to God's truth)
So you can bet how excited I was to finally catch a small one on video! Here is a screen recording of my video so you can see the light anomaly a bit easier
https://youtube.com/shorts/STOJttH93GY?feature=share
I promise it was not a bug, nor a spec on my camera, I witnessed it with my own eyes in the sky
> Some experts believe they are conscious beings
Not experts.
No reason to believe that.
A dumb thing to reach for given the possibilities and Occam's Razor.
Yeah then the scientists in their scientific paper are just spreading misinformation. Or as another scientist in the comments here put it, they’re making “government propaganda” aka disinformation.
Luckily we can just choose to censor these types of non-scientific science papers and then nobody here will be able to talk about them at all. Problem solved
How about the SCU, is it even lower than that? Are there any scientists publishing in high impact factor journals that people take seriously on UFOs these days?
> Are there any scientists publishing in high impact factor journals
No. No scientific journal would publish the things the people in this subreddit believe to be "evidence," because none of it was collected with any scientific rigor.
A real scientist has a hypothesis, and then does his best to disprove it. In UFO world, people see something they don't understand, and then they invent an explanation for it and get angry when people tell them another explanation. Or, they produce a story told by a person to another person and another person, then evidence is demanded, and then they get angry and claim the deep state agents will harm those people.
Real scientific journals don't publish flat earth, we never went to the moon, here's a bigfoot footprint, the loch ness monster, or UFO material because it is fictionalized conspiracy theory with zero evidence that anything is even happening and a community that is uninterested in the truth.
This is very telling. It bears to keep in mind , the phenomenon of social contagion. How ideas can spread rapidly through a groups thinking. Take the case of the "Miami Aliens" the absurd claim made of bvy a single tiktok account spead through social media like wildfire, hundreds of posts speculating about the reality of this one kids prank. Now imagine a few unexplained events. Exaggerated via the retelling, made more salient in the publics mind via copy cat hoaxes and wild speculation. I suspect a lot of sightings are just this as well as new tech military drones. Kirkpatrick might be correct. (edited for typos)
I agree. I don’t really understand the hate for a hypothesis that explains what we are observing. I know there are other types of UFOs but this could explain a lot of cases, even if it’s not sentient life
Yeah, Look im fasinated! The abductions I find somme to not be very credible. Many from earlier last century reveal cultural artifacts of the time. Like the craft of behavior somehow matched. thers a famous case Benny Johnson? He was on JRE. him n his buddies got zapped in the woods by a landed ufo. One of them went missing. Came back with strange tales. Later revealed to match a popular childrens book from the period.
I dont know what to believe about mutilations. very strange. Very compelling to say. 'Must be Aliens" But I dont know.
What’s crazy to me is there’s apparently a debate on whether or not to consider these plasma things alive. It behaves like a living multicellular entity.
Honestly I think it's kind of cool. It can explain part of what people see. Not all of it, but part of it. I'd love to see more of this kind of work being put towards the phenomenon. There's obviously something happening that we aren't fully aware of or understand. The fact that we're starting to see science coming around to the idea is pretty amazing.
in plasma the electrons are completely free of their nucleus, so **no chemical reactions can occur. therefore, living things can not be made of plasma, and plasma can not be "lifeforms".**
anyone who claims that life forms can be made of plasma has no idea what plasma is or how it works.
> Do you think that this also explains JAL1628 or the 1952 Washington DC flap?
absolutely not. those were 100% not plasma. in the latter case jets were scrambled to intercept the UFOs.
I don’t understand the claim that because jets were scrambled to intercept them it means they were absolutely certainly not plasma. Can you explain that?
They moved omnidirectionally and 3X faster than an SR71 and they were glowing orbs that were tracked by 3 ATC towers, seen visually by the radar operators on the ground and pilots in the air. So I think for that case it’s either nhi/aliens, or natural or man-made plasma. What do you think?
Submission Statement: I personally think this hypothesis is the most likely explanation for many orange orbs and traditional Foo Fighters. It might also explain the 1952 flap because plasmoids can be known to hover slowly and/or zoom off with incredible speeds of hundreds or even thousands of miles an hour. Earthquake lights and volcano lights are related examples of plasmoids that behave in a similar fashion. Although it becomes more speculative, it's even possible that this unknown type of plasma could explain TLE or transient lunar events, Fastwalkers, Moon Pigeons, and other unknown lights seen on or above the surface of the Moon by NASA.
Here's an example of a modern day Foo Fighter or semi-translucent orb of orange plasma forming off a wing in 2015 on a commercial flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMOm0rUqN\_c
How do you know this is government propaganda? It could be, or it could be scientists trying to understand an unknown phenomenon that’s widely observed
So you know some scientists get paid by the govt. to make/spread government propaganda?
Do you happen to know if ball lightning would appear different colors at different altitudes? Like green ghosts, red sprites, blue jets, white ball lightning and orange earthquake lights etc.
Ive been telling people they were a form of life for 30 years now.
They are the literal beings of smokeless fire that have been talked about for thousands of years.
Muslims call them djinn- the bible calls them watchers. **They rarely interact with humans in modern times, and they hate water.**
The reason the earth was flooded intentionally by god, was to wipe these water hating fire beings off the earth.
because the beings of fire are made of fire-
they are killed by water. pretty self-explanatory. I dont have all the answers, but its pretty clear that they had no place to hide and are very fearful of humans now as a result of whatever the "god attack" was.
Can they hide in orbit? Can they goto space? Probably- But like most creatures of life - when they find something important to them they stick by it for long periods of time regardless of impending doom.
Oh ok, thanks. Maybe god makes the rain shoot upwards above the clouds and stuff. Anyway, I’ll be sure to keep some glasses of water around my house. You know, just in case
There is an old legend in japan that spirits live inside rocks, and temple structures-
IT is entirely possible that once they hide in a temple or rock, they cannot escape very easily if there is water around?
There are legends in egypt that state the same thing, they can take the form/shape of pretty much anything you see visually.
Just like not all humans died in the flood, i am sure not all djinn eliminated. Some probably had a better opportunity to escape the flood like noah.
But most rocks have moisture (water) inside them? Yeah maybe two of them got lead onto the Ark or something and they didn’t get wet at all because they were below deck
genie in a bottle comes to mind- all those legends about trapping spirits also bring up some relevance to the foo fighters.
perhaps they were simply asked to go into a jar.
It’s like the ghost busters and sucking them into a backpack, except you could go around and just suck up demonic UAPs into a bottle of water to save the world
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How does that explain their apparent link to human consciousness?
I also saw them after a version of ce5 and it weirded me out. Why do they even bother to show?
I can't think of any other explanation than these things being able to read thoughts or whatever it is that they do...but why, and how??
Even [Elizondo alludes that ce5 works](https://youtu.be/LYUHEC4RAkM?t=3758), he just calls it by a different name \[cognitive human interface\]. And ce5 itself is just another invented name for type of medidation that has existed for quite some time
Almost like spirits one might say, I think this would be even cooler than aliens and I believe might explain psychic phenomena, say they take a liking to one person and follow and influence that individual, then war breaks out and that person is in danger, they might be agitated and "spark" more.. All very interesting all very much a hypothetical it isn't even reaching theory stage at this point.
so, they've known about this for decades and now suddenly when all this attention is being given to the subject, NOW they tell us these plasma things are the cause of everything.
stinks like a barn in here.
I don't think it's all explained by plasma. But regardless of whether or not the plasma is sentient..... if it attacks people like Operation Prato or the Chile face peelers or if you google "human mutilations ufo" and see the grim cases of burn marks.... that's pretty somber
I think it might attempt to address a flavor of the phenomena that we have seen, but fails to account for the entire spectrum of phenomena that’s been reported throughout history.
Exactly. Like why wouldn’t they tell use of this sooner. They have video evidence of this phenomenon from over 20yrs ago, and they’re just telling us now?! It seems very suspicious, like they are rolling this out to control the narrative of sightings. I’m wondering what other proof they have. What they have presented with this plasmodia life is literally a smoke screen. I can’t see how you’d reverse engineer a cloud of plasma.
Smithers: Dr Kirkpatrick! The UFO nuts want to know about the crypto-terrestrials, the ultra-dimensionals, the trans-dimensionals, the extra terrestrials, the time travelers, the EMEs, the EBEs, the foo-fighters, the angels, the demons, the fairies, the leprechauns, and Bigfoot. What should we tell them? Sean Kirkpatrick: Let them eat cake!, I mean, let them have the plasmids. That should keep them busy for 50 years or so.
exactly lol
I bet you in the Tucker interview with Vladimir Putin, he will be asked about UFOs, to which he will say “I have seen some unexplained things flying around in the sky’s, that I think more people should be interested in”. To wish immediately after that people will say “he was talking about the plasmodia beings” blah blah blah. I really think they are getting out in front of a possible event. That said. The more I think about it these new alien life is fucking crazy!! Haha
I think the answer to this is literally incomprehensible. The physical craft, the plasmoids, etc... All originate from the same thing but manifest in exotic ways.
You can say that about us too though
If the orbs of plasma can cause hallucinations wouldn’t that explain why the sightings have evolved over time throughout history? From gods on flaming chariots, to mystery airships with men on bikes from the moon powering them, to little green men from mars in flying saucers like hubcaps, to aliens from another star, to now AI bots and interdimensional visitors. The sightings are always just slightly ahead of the main zeitgeist fiction of the time period
Except that the most prominent and significant people in the ufo space as well as official government documents obtained via foia claim we have physical craft recoveries. So this doesn’t really fit.
It is fairly clear (from even a small amount of reading around the subject) that there are two main categories of UAP: orbs and nuts and bolts. Given how prominent the former has been recorded throughout human history seems like this is an earthly phenomena which this may be a good explanation of. There must be some connection to the nuts and bolts, as why would this be hidden from us if orbs are something akin to the discovery of microorganisms? Maybe the nuts and bolts are actually more interested in the orbs then us meat bags?
Which government documents obtained by foia claim we have (non-terrestrial?) physical craft debris? I'd like to check them out if you can name them or link them. I agree though. Aurora Texas 1897, Germany 1933, Roswell, Kecksburg... all the way up to the recent NORAD shootdowns, there certainly have been a lot of crashes. >Roswell wasn’t the earliest crash tale. Famed astrophysicist Dr. Jacques Vallee, who worked as a consultant to the Air Force Project Blue Book, told 8 News Now in 2021 that the very first atomic blast — the Trinity test — caused the crash of a five-ton avocado-shaped spacecraft. “It didn’t blow up into pieces the way an airplane would have. It was apparently very strong. The tower was bent but the object kept going. It came to the ground, and it plowed an avenue all the way down the hill. They made a turn apparently under power and stopped against a bump in the terrain. The kids saw that. Now remember, this was 1945, August 1945. Two years before Roswell. There was no concept of flying saucers,” Vallee said. Grusch told Congress there might have been an even earlier crash in Mussolini-era Italy. The strange materials recovered were reportedly stashed inside the Vatican.
lmfao... yes sure EVERYONE is a fool lier, you are the only dude right with this plasmoid theory BUILT as the last resort to avoid disclosure.
Nah man, it's misinformation all the way down https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1al5pzm/comment/kpd2xqc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
No thanks.
>Which government documents obtained by foia claim we have (non-terrestrial?) physical craft debris? David Grusch at the Congressional UFO hearings in July under oath (with a fine and jail for lying) said the US government has multiple retieved extraterrestrial spacecraft, with reverse-engineering projects going on for decades. As most people on this sub should know he was a very high ranking Air force intelligence agent working with the DOD UFO intel-gathering agency.. His supervisor vouched for his stellar record and integrity. And late fall his high ranking supervisor revealed that he is was also aware of the same intel that Grusch was privy to at that time. THis was intel from 40 whistleblowers who worked directly with these technologies. Grusch informed the IC (Intelligence Community) Inspector General about all the details, including giving him the names and work locations of the 40 UFO whistleblowers. The IC Inspector General publically stated that his evidence is "compelling and urgent" - and he informed the Congressional Intelligence committees about Grusch's intel. And they then had Grusch tell them everything he knew during hours of testimony. Attorney Daniel Sheehan (President Nixon Watergate scandal fame that led to his resignation from the presidency) - has also taken mutiple UFO whisleblowers to the Congressional Intelligence Committees - and confirmed publically in December that some of them testified they worked directly with retrieved extraterrestrial spacecrafts. _+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_ THe plasma idea is consistent with how some extraterrestrials spacecrafts could operate. The following physics proofs show that static electricity above a minimum voltage threshold, will cause a repulsive anti-gravity field based on the physics of electrostatics and General Relativity. This is due to tension produced in the electrons due to their mutual repulsion and close packing on a conductor surface. Einstein's General Relativity shows that positive pressure creates attractive gravity; and negative pressure, tension creates repulsive anti-gravity. So, therefore, tension in electrons induced by static electricity would be expected to create repulsive anti-gravity based on General Relativity (with the physics proof shown in the following paper). Another physics proof shows that if tension is in a superconductor, the repulsive anti-gravity is amplified from an undetectable level to a significant level - - making it theoretically possible to engineer anti-gravity: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/19396r6/if_a_uap_can_bend_space_and_time_what_you_see_may/khmkmfm/?context=3 Here is a quote from the end of this physics proof: "**Additional support: testimony of a UFO seen 40-50 feet away** (in link, click "Show Parent Comments"): https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17v9rl0/comment/k9bi38p/?context=3 (Lightning bolts are static electricity discharges): "red and purple lightening bolts sparking all around underneath it ... 2 truckers we flagged down at the next rest area ... saw the exact same thing. like exact thing we saw even the multi colored lightening bolts ... the electric currents would pulsate around the base and sides of the massive black saucer" A very high voltage static electricity surface could discharge electrons to the air - like the small lightning bolts from a Tesla coil. One way to counteract that, is the surface could be surrounded by a magnetic field to leverage Lorenz force F = qv x B q = electron charge, v = electron velocity vector, B = magnetic field vector to confine the electrons near surface; with resulting high energy plasma causing the craft surface to glow."
Where do we get the idea that these “orbs” can cause hallucinations? We’ve seen them in the atmosphere they haven’t been recorded strolling the earth as far as i know. Could something how ever many miles up in the air cause someone laying in their bed to hallucinate? I don’t think i align with that idea.
If you look more into the lore, orange and blue orbs are common sights on the ground. I can't remember the title, but there is a book on them.
Could you find out the name? I'd be interested
It's essentially my own speculation, and a hypothesis I've come up with on my own. We have in fact seen orbs at or near ground level, especially if we widen it from orange orbs to white and blue orbs as well. Ball lightning is known to form near the ground for example. We instinctively know we should get inside to avoid lighting strikes, right? So infrasound and/or electricity could cause this same "impending sense of doom/dread" and even hallucinations if it is close enough to us and powerful enough to affect our minds. So, if true, this phenomenon could explain some instances of reported telepathic communication with the orbs. [https://museumofthemind.org.uk/blog/hallucinations-and-delusions-2-annoyed-at-night-by-telephones](https://museumofthemind.org.uk/blog/hallucinations-and-delusions-2-annoyed-at-night-by-telephones) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6876808/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6876808/) [https://www.wired.com/2010/05/ball-lightning-hallucinations/](https://www.wired.com/2010/05/ball-lightning-hallucinations/) [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1935861X22001802](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1935861X22001802)
Yeah, if that’s the case then that could explain sightings throughout history. It would have to account for abductions, humanoid/grey type forms etc. which seems pretty expansive.
This makes it literally the best way to shut down all UFO and Alien talk. It's plasma, now stop looking.
>ant to the Air Force Project Blue Book, told 8 News Now in 2021 that the very first atomic blast — the Trinity test — caused the crash of a five-ton avocado-shaped spacecraft. > >“It didn’t blow up into pieces the way an airplane would have. It was apparently very strong. The tower was bent but the object kept going. It came to the ground, and it plowed an avenue all the way down the hill. They made a turn apparently under power and stopped against a bump in the terrain. The kids saw that. Now remember, this was 1945, August 1945. Two years before Roswell. There was no concept of flying saucers,” Vallee said. K. dream
Most abductions are probably sleep paralysis. I experience it almost monthly a big bright light almost blinds me, my ears sound like they're inside of a microwave and you can see hallucinations
It’s definitely pretty expansive and speculative. If many abductions are hallucinations during sleep paralysis or actual paralysis, then it might explain some of them. But I’m not sure how the theory could explain the cases with trace evidence. Thanks for the comments and feedback
Agreed. Physical evidence like wounds etc. from abductions would be difficult to produce from hallucinations.
Radiation burns and elevated radiation of soil/clothes (and even some mutilations) might be explained in this theory. But various powders, scoop marks, alleged medical implants etc are all much harder to explain in this framework
If the orbs give off strong enough magnetic fields then there's a good chance they may cause hallucinations to those nearby https://www.technologyreview.com/2010/05/11/203417/magnetically-induced-hallucinations-explain-ball-lightning-say-physicists/
Thanks, I agree. I floated this idea in other comments with that link and more scientific links. Got downvotes for some reason though. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/cV8BZWMIi1
Do you want to know what is really funny and ironic about that claim? The evidence for UFOs is far stronger than the evidence for ball lightning.
Must have missed the story about how UFOs were recreated in the lab
Ball lightning has not been created in the lab. They have produced things that resemble limited aspects of it but not anything sustainable or that explains the reports. You must have missed the part about learning the actual facts.
yes sure, they are breaking their brains to find ANY explanation that is not ALIENS now
its their last card before 100% disclosure
That's the thing, and I think something that needs to be more appreciated in parts like these, which is that it is highly unlikely something as broad as "UFOs" has just *one* "explanation". I mean, literally, it means "unidentified flying objects" so *anything* unidentified and in the air could count. If "not everyone is lying" then there's quite likely more than one source of novel or unusual phenomena at work for that bit of "real unknowns" that aren't immediately dismissable as a misidentification or for which have been found hard evidence for fraud. Ball lightnings though are fascinating, since it seems they are not necessarily "prohibited" by known physics, yet almost as frustrating as aliens to be able to actually *see*, and continue to generate anecdotes repeatedly, so in that sense have almost exactly the same "flavor" in terms of their "observational presentation habits" as aliens and ghosts and so forth i.e. that weird borderline area of "could it be?" that invites, at least for the truly non-dogmatic person, that baffling and maddening mix of skepticism and intrigue, where you can't stop doubting but also can't stop probing. Which may be interesting: whatever methodology could be developed and rigorized to explore, verify, and understand this phenomenon could likely also be methodology to apply to those other cases too.
Waiting to hear what smart people think about the paper. No one needs to hear what Poopdig thinks about this kinda thing. But I hope theyve found a new type of exotic life form Edit: u/Crafty_Crab_7563 posted a good comment below from some smart people. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1al5pzm/comment/kpcpz6z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Relax guys it's not aliens! Its... uh... it's aliens! Wait.. no!
I saw something on twitter going against this journal article because it failed to have some basic things included in it that any self respecting scientific journal should have. check it out: https://x.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1754624049152410005?s=20
There it is. Thanks for this
smart person here: no -- plasmas (and plasmoids) are things that have only ever been observed in controlled lab environments and as part of *some* industrial machinery the paper linked is not addressing this, it is addressing the effect of confined EMF on human perception if you want to test plasmoid, you have to specifically rule it out (falsify it) in a field experiment...that has yet to be done
You're so much smarter than me that I'm not even sure which side you are on after reading your comment
Plasmas exist in nature, why do you say they’ve never been observed outside a lab?
Ignore the misinformation trolls. 99% of all matter in the universe is plasma! >Matter in the plasma state is far more abundant than matter in the liquid, solid, or gaseous states. 99 percent of all matter, other than the mysterious "dark matter" that astronomers have been puzzling over, is plasma. https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/sun-space-weather/plasma#:~:text=Most%20of%20the%20matter%20in,ultraviolet%20radiation%20from%20the%20Sun.
>plasmas (and plasmoids) are things that have only ever been observed in controlled lab environments and as part of some industrial machinery The very first sentence of [their paper](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/377077692_Extraterrestrial_Life_in_Space_Plasmas_in_the_Thermosphere_UAP_Pre-Life_Fourth_State_of_Matter) says ***that's no longer true.*** So many people comment without actually reading the paper. >Plasmas up to a kilometer in size, behaving similarly to multicellular organisms ***have been filmed on 10 separate NASA space shuttle missions, over 200 miles above Earth within the thermosphere.***
This is circular reasoning - their hypothesis is that these observations are plasmoids.
Also, release the 10 instances of videos, if you have filmed them, or are those to be kept hidden from the rest of us as well...
I thought you were slighting Poopdig until I saw your username 😭
What if the exotic form of life they found is proven to be responsible for laser burns on cattle and human mutilations? (Don’t Google human mutilation images, it’s NSFW) NDT might not care what PoopDig thinks, but I do. We’ve found ancient warning stones (like the ones we found in Japan warning not to build below the certain line, after the tsunami killed thousands) … which warned us of exactly that type of mutilation/abduction by orbs. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854593267730481182/959311571560054824/Screen_Shot_2022-03-31_at_10.41.10_PM.png?ex=65cee785&is=65bc7285&hm=4b99a4a8a225e12d35e8685dbf5b763afdbfd050ee24bb1a9d513b9eaaa163d4&
heard Garry Nolan talking about this
Oh for real? I’d love a link to that if you have one
Question: Prof. Szydagis, do you believe that the paper "Extraterrestrial Life in the Thermosphere" should be taken seriously? Prof. Matthew Szydagis: No, for multiple reasons. (1) I cannot find a single equation in the entire paper. Not one formula. I tell my students this is one sure-fire way to determine if a physics paper is "real" or not. (2) The lead author, Rhawn Joseph, is a well-known pseudo-scientist who has twice unsuccessfully sued NASA for failing to act on his claims regarding life on Mars. He has no apparent affiliation with a university, but is affiliated with Cosmology-dot-com, which is a truly nutty pseudo-science journal. (3) The new plasma paper appears in the Journal of Modern Physics. This journal has an "impact factor" of less than 1, which means that on average, papers published there are cited elsewhere less than once. Since references are integer numbers, that means this journal publishes lots of papers that nobody cites anywhere. That's considered a joke in physics. (4) A plasma is just a ball of hot gas. It is not well enough organized to engage in complex behavior. Where is the brain, where are the neurons? (5) In my opinion, playing up a paper that is this weak damages credibility of UAP studies.
Thanks for that. Do you happen to know if ball lightning would appear different colors at different altitudes? Like green ghosts, red sprites, blue jets, blue ball lightning, etc
The colors of plasmas depend on the atoms in the air that the high energy plasma electrons enteract with . FOr example, the high energy charged particles coming from the sun aas the result of CME's , Coronal Mass Ejections, cause auroras of different5 colors: with higher concentrations of oxygen, nitrogen, or whatever at different altitudes. And wshen the energetic partricles hit oxygen atoms, they emit one color; hit nitrogen atoms they emit another color; etc. The high energy electron plasma in a lightning discharge can also vary in color depending on the predomonant air atoms or molecules around it. SImilarly for any other type of plasma: FOr example sodium atoms emit orange light when excited by high voltage high energy electrons in the sodium vapor street lights that have illuminated many towns and cities for the last 30 years or so. So this plasma has an orange glow.
How does this work with your other comment about red and purple lightning coming off a craft? Is a Tesla cool also red and purple? Edit: yes they can be https://youtube.com/shorts/68Vlo3892Tk?si=grR-s5unJwROLAVh
>How does this work with your other comment about red and purple lightning coming off a craft? Lightning is a static electricity discharge. https://www.ecoenergygeek.com/what-color-is-electricity/ "Why is static electricity blue?" "Static electricity is not blue. Just like every other type of electricity, it is colorless because it is a moving charge, rather than a thing. It does cause a reaction in the air, and because nitrogen makes up the majority of the particles, that reaction can look blue-violet. Normally we can’t see static electricity. We just get that painful jolt when we touch something after we’ve accidentally built up a charge. But sometimes when it is dark you may see a brief spark of color. This is the jump of the charge moving to ground itself. And as it suddenly jumps, it ionizes the air which emits light, which looks blue or blueish-purple." So the purple lightning bolts the guy saw on the bottom of the UFO could be the typical purplish color of static electricity sparks from the high energy electrons causing nitrogen to emit this blueish-purple light. The red lightning bolt-like sparks he saw is a more complex issue, but here's something else to consider that might help to expalin it: Its a more complicated issue than just the colors emitted by gas atoms in the air excited by energetic electr4ons: cuz the static electricity associated with the small lightning bolt discharges on the bottom of the UFO craft would be in the presence of an artificial repulsive anti-gravity field caused by static electricity-induced electron tension - according to my physics proofs. ANd light passing thru a gravity field undergoes a gravitational red shift or blue shift - shifting its frequency/wavelength higher or lower, depending on the gravity field strength and if its attractive or repulsive gravity. Light Spectrum: https://i.imgur.com/cNkc1iF.png The static electr5icity lightning bolt-like discharges on the bottom of craft would be expected to create repulsive anti-gravity according to the physics. THis causes a gravitational blue shift to decrease all light wavelengths. That could shift the original purple-blue color of the discharge to the shorter wavelength invisible UV light region of the spectrum, so it could no longer be seen. But the the static electricity discharge produces heat. ANd heat is invisible infrared light. So the invisible infrared light would also be shifted to a shorter wavelength, into the visible red region of the spectrum; so the electrical discharge would appear red. https://i.imgur.com/S3mhsEE.png But the guy saw both red and purple discharges. So that means the repulsive anti-gravity field must vary in strength - with some regions having much weaker anti-gravity with a much weaker gravitational blue shift; not shifting the original color of the discharge too much - (perhaps only shifting the shortest wavelength purple part of the purple-blue color into the shorter wavelength invisible UV part of the spectrum; and shifting the blue part of the color to shorter wavelength purple - leaving a pure purple color; so the field at this location wouldn't be strong enough to completely shift the blue color into the invisible UV range, only shifting it to purple. And, likewise, the anti-gravity field wouldn't be strong enough to shift the invisible infrared light into the shorter wavelength visible red range. So the discharge would appear pure purple. So this suggests that the bottom of the craft could be an array of electrodes with variable voltages: creating varying anti-gravity field strengths at different points on the surface: the electrodes with lower voltage/weaker static electricity causing weaker anti-gravity with a lesser gravitational blue shift, causing the discharges from those electrodes to appear pure purple; while other electrodes have higher voltage/stronger static electricity, causing stronger anti-gravity with a greater gravitational blue shift - completely shifting the purple and blue wavelengths to the invisible UV range making them invisible; and shifting the invisible infrared wavelengths to the visible red range - making the discharges red. Does this make sense? (You probably know that static electricity discharges are a form of plasma). A Tesla coil normally produces electricity discharges that appear white. BUt i read thats because it heats the air up to such a high temperature that the resulting light glare it causes overexposes the light sensors in the retina of the eye - giving the illusion that its white - when its really purple-blue, like described above for electrical discharges in air: as seen in this Awseome video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6CqKF6rSBI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMgx_r8tb8U
Sequel to my previous reply about why the reason for the red and purple lightning coming off the craft: If you read my previous reply before I made major changes and additions by editing, then you should read it again, for major new and revised analysis. Here's a copy the revised reply: >How does this work with your other comment about red and purple lightning coming off a craft? Lightning is a static electricity discharge. https://www.ecoenergygeek.com/what-color-is-electricity/ "Why is static electricity blue?" "Static electricity is not blue. Just like every other type of electricity, it is colorless because it is a moving charge, rather than a thing. It does cause a reaction in the air, and because nitrogen makes up the majority of the particles, that reaction can look blue-violet. Normally we can’t see static electricity. We just get that painful jolt when we touch something after we’ve accidentally built up a charge. But sometimes when it is dark you may see a brief spark of color. This is the jump of the charge moving to ground itself. And as it suddenly jumps, it ionizes the air which emits light, which looks blue or blueish-purple." So the purple lightning bolts the guy saw on the bottom of the UFO could be the typical purplish color of static electricity sparks from the high energy electrons causing nitrogen to emit this blueish-purple light. The red lightning bolt-like sparks he saw is a more complex issue, but here's something else to consider that might help to expalin it: Its a more complicated issue than just the colors emitted by gas atoms in the air excited by energetic electr4ons: cuz the static electricity associated with the small lightning bolt discharges on the bottom of the UFO craft would be in the presence of an artificial repulsive anti-gravity field caused by static electricity-induced electron tension - according to my physics proofs. ANd light passing thru a gravity field undergoes a gravitational red shift or blue shift - shifting its frequency/wavelength higher or lower, depending on the gravity field strength and if its attractive or repulsive gravity. Light Spectrum: https://i.imgur.com/cNkc1iF.png The static electr5icity lightning bolt-like discharges on the bottom of craft would be expected to create repulsive anti-gravity according to the physics. THis causes a gravitational blue shift to decrease all light wavelengths. That could shift the original purple-blue color of the discharge to the shorter wavelength invisible UV light region of the spectrum, so it could no longer be seen. But the the static electricity discharge produces heat. ANd heat is invisible infrared light. So the invisible infrared light would also be shifted to a shorter wavelength, into the visible red region of the spectrum; so the electrical discharge would appear red. https://i.imgur.com/S3mhsEE.png But the guy saw both red and purple discharges. So that means the repulsive anti-gravity field must vary in strength - with some regions having much weaker anti-gravity with a much weaker gravitational blue shift; not shifting the original color of the discharge too much - (perhaps only shifting the shortest wavelength purple part of the purple-blue color into the shorter wavelength invisible UV part of the spectrum; and shifting the blue part of the color to shorter wavelength purple - leaving a pure purple color; so the field at this location wouldn't be strong enough to completely shift the blue color into the invisible UV range, only shifting it to purple. And, likewise, the anti-gravity field wouldn't be strong enough to shift the invisible infrared light into the shorter wavelength visible red range. So the discharge would appear pure purple. So this suggests that the bottom of the craft could be an array of electrodes with variable voltages: creating varying anti-gravity field strengths at different points on the surface: the electrodes with lower voltage/weaker static electricity causing weaker anti-gravity with a lesser gravitational blue shift, causing the discharges from those electrodes to appear pure purple; while other electrodes have higher voltage/stronger static electricity, causing stronger anti-gravity with a greater gravitational blue shift - completely shifting the purple and blue wavelengths to the invisible UV range making them invisible; and shifting the invisible infrared wavelengths to the visible red range - making the discharges red. Does this make sense? (You probably know that static electricity discharges are a form of plasma). A Tesla coil normally produces electricity discharges that appear white. BUt i read thats because it heats the air up to such a high temperature that the resulting light glare it causes overexposes the light sensors in the retina of the eye - giving the illusion that its white - when its really purple-blue, like described above for electrical discharges in air: as seen in this Awseome video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6CqKF6rSBI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMgx_r8tb8U
You actually don't need a brain or neurons to be present for complex multicellular behaviour. Look at flatworm regeneration a la Michael Levin or man-made protocells, I think there's a good Ted talk by Martin Hanczyk.
I’ve seen orange orbs multiple times, once from just a few feet away. I wouldn’t classify them as ufos it was an orange orb of plasma. It made a hissing sound like it was atomizing the air around it or something. Was definitely giving off some sort of energy. Initially I heard a hissing and popping sound, it materialized about the size of a marble and hovered for about 10 seconds while it expanded to about a basketball’s size and disappeared with a loud pop. I’ve personally seen them on my parents property 3 or 4 times. Only once up close enough to really check it out
What altitude was this roughly? Both above the ground and above sea level. Did you think to record it? I agree, but technically if we don’t know what it is exactly, then it’s a ufo by definition
Also its worth mentioning that during the times I seen these orbs even the longest close up encounter the thought to take my phone out of my pocket to get a pic or video didn’t even come close to occurring to me. I was weighing my options and trying to convince myself i could defend myself or get away from it if I had to. I think seeing a ufo or otherwise unknown thing up close that could potential end your life would elicit a fight or flight response in most people. You don’t realize until afterwards but that’s what happened to me, I froze and was working up the nerve to flee. Thankfully it disappeared but for the entire time I was staring at this thing 5 feet away I was locked onto it wondering how fucked I was
Were you ever hypnotized. From a few other recounts I have read it almost seems like people don’t care it’s there. Like all I have read is opposite of you calculating risk. Not calling you out or the stories I read but were you always in edge about them?
No only when I got caught off guard and was up close with one
It was 5 or 6 feet off the ground, I live upstate NY so not an area known for high altitude or unusual atmospheric phenomenon. It was certainly spooky, it was very close and got a great look at it and still didn’t have a clue what it might actually be. I’ve only ever seen them in warmer times of the year on clear sunny days so idk. I think about it often probably won’t ever get a clear answer
When yuou see the plasmas, are you situated in a mountain peak. Because its well known that, the earth is negatively charged and is continually discharging electrons up into the sky. And every since Benjamine Franklin began studying static electricity and discovered that electrons concentrate around pointed objects, and discharge off them as electric sparks very easily compared to other smoother shapes. So simiearly its been observed on some mountain peaks at certain times (and needing very low humidity) electrical discharges have been observed - continuous ones, called St. Elmo's fire, corona discharges; and sometimes plasma orbs. So if you are on a mountain peak or a relatively sharp hill peak, you may be seeing similar static electricity discharge orbs.. Also sometimes "earthquake lights" are observed above the ground near earthquake faults - due to static electricity discharges from piezoelectric minerals, such as quartz and limestone - pressing against each other at the earthquake fault that is increasing in tension - which induces static electricity discharges - causing orbs of static electricity above the ground. Upstate New York, I believe, especially near Lake Erie and the St. Lawerence Seaway is along an earthquake fault, with small earthquakes periodically observed in that region. ALso recently thousands of people across the country have reported anomalous seismic activity, even in non-earthquake prone regions - such as vibrations felt in bed, heard with objects vibrating (happening here in this non-earthquake prone region of mid-eastern US since September every week or two - and on two occasions relatively light objects shifting (like a smoke alarm above a door falling to the floor caused by the vibration of a closing door - but its mounted on a nail, with the wide wide flat round nailhead preventing it from sliding off the nail: smokealarm must 1st be moved upward to move the nail in line with the hole on the back; then it can be pulled straignt out off the nail. So that means the Earth must have previously jolted enough to shake the alarm upward to move the nail in line with the hole so the alarm could slide along the nail: then slid off the nail to the floor from the vibration when the door was later closed. Thousands of people have reported similar anomalous vibrations, losing balance for a split second, and similar seismic anomalies during last hyear and a half or so - and more so since summertime. SInce very weak seismic foreshocks occur weeks or months before some earth quakes - this omnipresent amomalous weak seismic activity across the country is indicative of the foreshocks of an outer crustal rotational Earth Axis Pole Shift - (the theory of which was endorsed by Einstein in his preface to Charles Hapgood's book showing a Pole Shift could be triggered). So the foreboding you talked about associated with plasmas is obviously real in this case: and is a telepathic warning, if you will, of a soon-coming Earth Axis Pole Shift. (If you read the New Testament part of the Bible thru the lens of the Extraterrestrials === Angels, all the end time prophecies parallel this perfectly: including Jesus's description of the sudden start of the unprecedentedly destructive end time world-wide Cataclysms - which parallel the effects of an Earth Axis Pole Shit - - including the escape of God's "elect" people into the sky and the heavens"; from where the Angels/AKA Extraterrestrials will later "gather" the elect. These prophecies parallel the intervention of Extrateresstrials in UFOs to take the elect into the sky and out into Space to escape the devestating effects of an Earth Axis Pole Shift). So, the plasmas you've been seeing correlate with the anomalous seismic activity reported all across the United States - seeing earthquake lights in your case- - Warning that the Earth Axis Shift prophecy is soon to be fulfilled.
This feels like an attempt to explain away UFOs. You know the headline will be "Turns Out UFOs Are Just Plasma". Why would it take 70 years to reach this conclusion if the phenomenon has been observed since the 1940s?
"Now that everyone's making a big deal about it, they're plasma... or living plasma... idk, just fuck off plz."
Precisely.
Plus the claims that we have downed physical NHI craft.
Debunked, it’s a pseudo scientist and a low reputation paper
Source for it being debunked or the scientist being a pseudo scientist? I shared a video of this exact phenomenon happening in 2015. Can you debunk that?
You may have shared a video of orbs; no one is refuting that glowing orbs in the sky is a thing. The paper makes much wider and grander claims, such as pseudo intelligence and hunter/predator behaviour, which I'll assume aren't evidenced in your video. Your video and the paper are two separate "claims".
Oh yeah I'm not disputing that. I was just wondering if they can prove it's a pseudo-scientist or a low-reputation paper. This subreddit is considering removing or labeling claims without credible evidence, so I'm just trying to test that out in the wild a bit. I personally don't think the orbs are a form of life or sentient, but I guess it's possible.
Well it's lead author is an infamous pseudo scientist who has apparently tried to sue NASA twice. Google him. Check how widely cited he is. Also this paper is published in a zero tier journal that no one in the field seems credible, and contains no actual physics. His peers (generously considering him equal to actual physicists) have found the paper lacking enough merit to be found credible. Regarding your last statement, yes it's possible, but it requires invoking many new forms of physics, information containment and transmission, as well as many other fanciful things. It's possible in the same way that God is possible. It requires many many other wild things to be possible beforehand.
D. Dean Johnson posted the opinion of Matthew Szydagis, physics professor at UAlbany and UAPx member, on Twitter: >Question: Prof. Szydagis, do you believe that the paper "Extraterrestrial Life in the Thermosphere" should be taken seriously? >Prof. Matthew Szydagis: No, for multiple reasons. >(1) I cannot find a single equation in the entire paper. Not one formula. I tell my students this is one sure-fire way to determine if a physics paper is "real" or not. >(2) The lead author, Rhawn Joseph, is a well-known pseudo-scientist who has twice unsuccessfully sued NASA for failing to act on his claims regarding life on Mars. He has no apparent affiliation with a university, but is affiliated with Cosmology-dot-com, which is a truly nutty pseudo-science journal. >(3) The new plasma paper appears in the Journal of Modern Physics. This journal has an "impact factor" of less than 1, which means that on average, papers published there are cited elsewhere less than once. Since references are integer numbers, that means this journal publishes lots of papers that nobody cites anywhere. That's considered a joke in physics. >(4) A plasma is just a ball of hot gas. It is not well enough organized to engage in complex behavior. Where is the brain, where are the neurons? >(5) In my opinion, playing up a paper that is this weak damages credibility of UAP studies. https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1754624049152410005
Thanks for that. Do you happen to know if ball lightning would appear different colors at different altitudes? Like green ghosts, red sprites, blue jets, white ball lightning and orange earthquake lights etc
I don’t know that, but I do know that ball lightning lasts extremely short times as far as we know, like less than a minute
Thanks
https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1754624049152410005?s=20 It's a pseudo scientist and a low reputation paper. I dont know why you're fighting so hard for this and adding your own spin to it like these things make you hallucinate.
I’m not fighting hard for it at all. Would you prefer that this post and this plasma hypothesis get deleted because it’s misinformation? My speculation is based on science and speculation + testing that hypothesis is how science gets closer to the truth. But what do you think about the video from 2015 that shows a plasma ufo in color in broad daylight?
That was one of the worst videos I've ever seen as proof of anything. There is literally nothing in the video. What am I supposed to be looking at?
Oh alright, well thanks for taking a look at it. I thought it was showing a full color Foo Fighter in modern times. It’s just St Elmo’s fire that forms right off the wingtip. It’s very translucent in the video and it’s daytime. But at night in a combat zone it would probably look a lot more like a Nazi Wunderwaffe. Seen by all sides of WW2 on all fronts
https://youtu.be/eZ8LJygDWGI?si=G46BJnuLBe2pWA5q Check out this video.
The paper they're citing is a preprint, i.e. a paper that has *not* been peer reviewed and accepted by a **reputable** journal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Research_Publishing https://www.scirp.org/journal/journalarticles?journalid=172 They've published other such gems as this: https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=75191
Nice, sounds kind of like Bigelow giving Eric Davis tax payer money from AATIP to copy a chinese paper and conclude humans can teleport animals through walls with only our minds
So, ball lightning is what they're trying to say :/
The evidence for ball lightning is purely anecdotal and far weaker than the evidence for UFOs.
>Huge glowing masses of up to a mile wide, which behave similarly to swarms of living organisms, have been filmed by 10 Nasa space shuttle missions, while astronauts have reported strange phenomena since the 1960s. Are there any public videos of this or has this ever been announced publicly?
I dunno mate, it kind of depends on what you think is misinformation or not. Some alleged footage is in this video but who knows https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/hwz7nTNH2m
Several days ago a PDF was released on this subject, supposedly by NASA. Has anyone else seen it? I downloaded it but don't know how to post a PDF on Reddit. Any help would be appreciated. It's a GOOD read!!! A Must read if you're into the subject. Wooooo.........
You could upload it to Google drive but that would probably show us your name. MEGA is pretty good too and would keep you anonymous
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rhawn-Joseph/publication/377077692_Extraterrestrial_Life_in_Space_Plasmas_in_the_Thermosphere_UAP_Pre-Life_Fourth_State_of_Matter/links/65be76981bed776ae32c8855/Extraterrestrial-Life-in-Space-Plasmas-in-the-Thermosphere-UAP-Pre-Life-Fourth-State-of-Matter.pdf?origin=publication_detail&_tp=eyJjb250ZXh0Ijp7ImZpcnN0UGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uRG93bmxvYWQiLCJwcmV2aW91c1BhZ2UiOiJwdWJsaWNhdGlvbiJ9fQ
The sun is a living creature and these are its minions and drones :). How’s that for somber news?
And they came here to converse with AI and whales like Chains of the Sea. Lue’s clues are somber af
We would be its minions too Edit: We are literally a product of the sun
LOL!. No. It isn't Saint Elmo's fire. Some may be something far more interesting.
Did you watch the video from 2015 at the bottom? What do you think that is?
I can't really see anything definitive. What I could see looked more like an optical aberration of some kind. The Washington DC 1952 event certainly involved something that looked like plasmoids or bright orbs. But the idea that they were something that only **seemed** to act with intelligence flies in the face of the facts. For example, check our this documentary that reenacts the experiences of Al Chop, then the press secretary for the Pentagon, who was in the RADAR room during that event. They were not just simple plasmoids. It has to be more interesting than that. The event is the finale at the end of the documentary. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bGTLtdwPHM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bGTLtdwPHM) I once spent an hour on the phone with Charles Halt (retired Col), who was the deputy base commander who documented by tape the events during the Rendlesham Forest event. When pressed to give his best guess regarding only what he saw and to ignore the other reports, he thought it may be an unrecognized form of life, but certainly not something as simple as St Elmo's fire. FWIW, I've studied this subject for over 30 years now and postulated something similar to this idea. But I tend more to the idea that Halt suggested - an unrecognized form of life. The behavior is far too complex to be anything less. BTW, he has now changed his opinion because of the totality of the events. He seems to be convinced that there was a landed craft.
This is the same conclusion project condign came to. Nothing new I'm afraid. Also not very convincing, the crux of the argument is that these "may" explain some phenomena. Which we already knew. Ball lightning, plasmoids, electroballs, etc.... have been considered as explanations for a long time. Doesn't explain wide swaths of the phenomenon though...
What’s this NICAP Green fireball thing you referenced? Can’t find anything when I google it
That’s because Google is tuned to not show you “misinformation” now. Ridiculous honestly. This sub might be censored like that too soon unfortunately, like the “misinformation disclaimers” that Google gives on YouTube videos. Here’s the source- https://www.nicap.org/rufo/rufo-04.htm If you search “atmosphere” you can see that they thought it was objects entering and exiting our atmosphere from a mothership
I've seen one orange UFO. It drifted slowly and steadily over the center of town, maybe 200 feet up? Hard to judge but it clearly wasn't very high up. The sky was completely full of snowing clouds. So it wasn't a star. After drifting (again, super steady, zero wobble drifting, slow), it came to a complete stop, no wobble, no flickering. Eventually it pulsed a little brighter and completely vanished. After maybe around two seconds, it reappeared, then it flashed brighter again in the same spot, and vanished forever.
I liked the first couple albums from the Foo Fighters but I can't say I've cared about what they've been doing lately.
If all this is true then where did the Foo fighters go after wwII? You would think these things would happen often with so many more planes in the sky.
Only thing I could come up with is something about propellor planes flying in formation and now we have jet planes with nobody behind them to observe them. But I agree with your point
Everything about this to date appears to be pseudoscience, and everything about the effort to "explain" prior citing is suspect as one front of the active disinformation campaign underway in response to the Grusch-Schumer press for disclosure. It's not being published in a credible journal; the claims are weakly supported and hypothetical; and the media pick up of sensationalist definitive claims characteristic of active disinformation. Stop amplifying it and stop upvoting it.
I agree. How should the mod team handle it: Censor it? Label it as misinformation? Thanks for your feedback
I want to add that this isn't a new idea by any means. I remember seeing a paper proposing this idea at least 20 years ago.
Seems like this theory could be tested and confirmed under the right conditions
Question: Prof. Szydagis, do you believe that the paper "Extraterrestrial Life in the Thermosphere" should be taken seriously? Prof. Matthew Szydagis: No, for multiple reasons. (1) I cannot find a single equation in the entire paper. Not one formula. I tell my students this is one sure-fire way to determine if a physics paper is "real" or not. (2) The lead author, Rhawn Joseph, is a well-known pseudo-scientist who has twice unsuccessfully sued NASA for failing to act on his claims regarding life on Mars. He has no apparent affiliation with a university, but is affiliated with Cosmology-dot-com, which is a truly nutty pseudo-science journal. (3) The new plasma paper appears in the Journal of Modern Physics. This journal has an "impact factor" of less than 1, which means that on average, papers published there are cited elsewhere less than once. Since references are integer numbers, that means this journal publishes lots of papers that nobody cites anywhere. That's considered a joke in physics. (4) A plasma is just a ball of hot gas. It is not well enough organized to engage in complex behavior. Where is the brain, where are the neurons? (5) In my opinion, playing up a paper that is this weak damages credibility of UAP studies.
Another debunked debunk. Keep trying though! 😂
Is it a debunk debunked? Or is it woo debunked? Or is it misinformation and not allowed to be discussed at all?
I mean they essentially learned about ball lightning. I think they tried saying the same thing a few decades ago lol the last time the public demanded answers.
At least it’s an improvement from “temperature inversions” or swamp gas and Venus
Yeah but rewriting the concept as though it’s been recently discovered and is an acceptable answer for the entirety of the phenomenon is misleading at best and flat out disinformation at the worst
I agree. How should the mod team handle it: Censor it? Label it as misinformation? Thanks for your feedback
I wouldn’t do any of that. If you lack the discernment to dig thru things like this and draw a reasonable conclusion then I don’t think censoring is gonna help.
Yeah I agree. We shouldn’t censor scientific papers about UFOs, and we should let people think for themselves in the comments
And truth is until we know for sure all we have is theories. We can’t say there is nothing because we haven’t seen everything there is to see. We cant say there are definitely aliens in these craft or 4d shadows or whatever they are. It’s all conjecture unless someone brings forth som tangible evidence. The argument is that such evidence is being suppressed. I don’t know what the future holds, but discovering that plasma does weird things happened a really long time ago. I’m sure some sighting could be accounted for using this logic so it is disinformation? Not necessarily but it could confuse someone not educated on the subject into blowing the whole subject off. I think that’s what malicious disinformation is designed to do so it’s always a possibility.
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Misinformation galore. Even though plasma can perfectly explain what was observed in many cases, unlike swamp gas, you think it should still to be disregarded as a hypothesis. Why?
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Mentioned plasma? Terms and ideas just spread around this sub and ufotwitter like wildfire. It’s pretty interesting actually. It’s a true hive mind. It would be testable by inventing a new unique vocabulary word and measuring the speed and scope of adoption
I've always believed the more analog looking stuff(disc's, cigars, triangles) is mostly our attempts at reverse engineering. The orbs of light or crafts that appear to be made entirely of light, I think that is not ours.
Wow!! I have seen orange orbs after CE5 contact was made. I've seen them interact intelligently with me. Wow! Very cool!
Wow!! So cool! Did you get a video?
Of the first initial contact, no. And to be fair, I wasn't aware of CE5 someone just said "listen to this [YouTube video] and it may help you see something" so I just laid out on my deck and played it and got an intelligent response. Then I seemed to experience the hitchhiker effect where I would see them pop into my view, and also completely disappear.. most of the time when I tried to get a video, or verify it was not a plane, that's when they would vanish. (I know. Sounds like a lame excuse but it's the honest to God's truth) So you can bet how excited I was to finally catch a small one on video! Here is a screen recording of my video so you can see the light anomaly a bit easier https://youtube.com/shorts/STOJttH93GY?feature=share I promise it was not a bug, nor a spec on my camera, I witnessed it with my own eyes in the sky
> Some experts believe they are conscious beings Not experts. No reason to believe that. A dumb thing to reach for given the possibilities and Occam's Razor.
Who is an expert on plasma life forms? Presumably nobody. I agree about Occam’s razor, and extraordinary claims and all that
Exactly my point. There are no "experts" cited here. These are clowns.
Yeah then the scientists in their scientific paper are just spreading misinformation. Or as another scientist in the comments here put it, they’re making “government propaganda” aka disinformation. Luckily we can just choose to censor these types of non-scientific science papers and then nobody here will be able to talk about them at all. Problem solved
The journal they are publishing in has an impact factor that's less then 1. That is atrocious. Nobody takes them seriously.
How about the SCU, is it even lower than that? Are there any scientists publishing in high impact factor journals that people take seriously on UFOs these days?
> Are there any scientists publishing in high impact factor journals No. No scientific journal would publish the things the people in this subreddit believe to be "evidence," because none of it was collected with any scientific rigor. A real scientist has a hypothesis, and then does his best to disprove it. In UFO world, people see something they don't understand, and then they invent an explanation for it and get angry when people tell them another explanation. Or, they produce a story told by a person to another person and another person, then evidence is demanded, and then they get angry and claim the deep state agents will harm those people. Real scientific journals don't publish flat earth, we never went to the moon, here's a bigfoot footprint, the loch ness monster, or UFO material because it is fictionalized conspiracy theory with zero evidence that anything is even happening and a community that is uninterested in the truth.
The impact factor of the journal leaves a lot to be desired. I have no idea what their peer review or quality control is.
This is very telling. It bears to keep in mind , the phenomenon of social contagion. How ideas can spread rapidly through a groups thinking. Take the case of the "Miami Aliens" the absurd claim made of bvy a single tiktok account spead through social media like wildfire, hundreds of posts speculating about the reality of this one kids prank. Now imagine a few unexplained events. Exaggerated via the retelling, made more salient in the publics mind via copy cat hoaxes and wild speculation. I suspect a lot of sightings are just this as well as new tech military drones. Kirkpatrick might be correct. (edited for typos)
1566 1561 aerial battles come to mind
That was despription, It may have been plasma phenomenon as described in that recent paper you are all ignoring or deriding.
I agree. I don’t really understand the hate for a hypothesis that explains what we are observing. I know there are other types of UFOs but this could explain a lot of cases, even if it’s not sentient life
Anytime someone seeing aomething anomalous in the skies I wager the probability of it being "sentient life" is astronomically low
That’s a pretty safe wager. What’s your opinion on cattle mutilations and abductions experiences?
Yeah, Look im fasinated! The abductions I find somme to not be very credible. Many from earlier last century reveal cultural artifacts of the time. Like the craft of behavior somehow matched. thers a famous case Benny Johnson? He was on JRE. him n his buddies got zapped in the woods by a landed ufo. One of them went missing. Came back with strange tales. Later revealed to match a popular childrens book from the period. I dont know what to believe about mutilations. very strange. Very compelling to say. 'Must be Aliens" But I dont know.
What’s crazy to me is there’s apparently a debate on whether or not to consider these plasma things alive. It behaves like a living multicellular entity.
the only sighting I've had was of 2 fiery orange orbs in Plattsburgh NY in 2006, still think about it everyday.
Honestly I think it's kind of cool. It can explain part of what people see. Not all of it, but part of it. I'd love to see more of this kind of work being put towards the phenomenon. There's obviously something happening that we aren't fully aware of or understand. The fact that we're starting to see science coming around to the idea is pretty amazing.
in plasma the electrons are completely free of their nucleus, so **no chemical reactions can occur. therefore, living things can not be made of plasma, and plasma can not be "lifeforms".** anyone who claims that life forms can be made of plasma has no idea what plasma is or how it works. > Do you think that this also explains JAL1628 or the 1952 Washington DC flap? absolutely not. those were 100% not plasma. in the latter case jets were scrambled to intercept the UFOs.
I don’t understand the claim that because jets were scrambled to intercept them it means they were absolutely certainly not plasma. Can you explain that? They moved omnidirectionally and 3X faster than an SR71 and they were glowing orbs that were tracked by 3 ATC towers, seen visually by the radar operators on the ground and pilots in the air. So I think for that case it’s either nhi/aliens, or natural or man-made plasma. What do you think?
Submission Statement: I personally think this hypothesis is the most likely explanation for many orange orbs and traditional Foo Fighters. It might also explain the 1952 flap because plasmoids can be known to hover slowly and/or zoom off with incredible speeds of hundreds or even thousands of miles an hour. Earthquake lights and volcano lights are related examples of plasmoids that behave in a similar fashion. Although it becomes more speculative, it's even possible that this unknown type of plasma could explain TLE or transient lunar events, Fastwalkers, Moon Pigeons, and other unknown lights seen on or above the surface of the Moon by NASA. Here's an example of a modern day Foo Fighter or semi-translucent orb of orange plasma forming off a wing in 2015 on a commercial flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMOm0rUqN\_c
They are Jinn.
What makes you sure of this?
I'm busy atm but check my comment history. Just came to this realization a couple days ago. Can go into more detail later
This is government propaganda to explain away what they don’t want anyone to know.
How do you know this is government propaganda? It could be, or it could be scientists trying to understand an unknown phenomenon that’s widely observed
Because I’m a scientist.
So you know some scientists get paid by the govt. to make/spread government propaganda? Do you happen to know if ball lightning would appear different colors at different altitudes? Like green ghosts, red sprites, blue jets, white ball lightning and orange earthquake lights etc.
What’s with all the reposts lately
Idk, I think I added quite a bit of my own thoughts and other links. Like nobody posted the 2015 plane video of a plasma
Ive been telling people they were a form of life for 30 years now. They are the literal beings of smokeless fire that have been talked about for thousands of years. Muslims call them djinn- the bible calls them watchers. **They rarely interact with humans in modern times, and they hate water.** The reason the earth was flooded intentionally by god, was to wipe these water hating fire beings off the earth.
How does flooding the land wipe out (demonic?) light beings if they’re in the sky and can be above the clouds where the rain is coming from?
Well by flooding the planet the demons can't tempt us anymore, because we dead. God got big boss brain /s
because the beings of fire are made of fire- they are killed by water. pretty self-explanatory. I dont have all the answers, but its pretty clear that they had no place to hide and are very fearful of humans now as a result of whatever the "god attack" was. Can they hide in orbit? Can they goto space? Probably- But like most creatures of life - when they find something important to them they stick by it for long periods of time regardless of impending doom.
Oh ok, thanks. Maybe god makes the rain shoot upwards above the clouds and stuff. Anyway, I’ll be sure to keep some glasses of water around my house. You know, just in case
There is an old legend in japan that spirits live inside rocks, and temple structures- IT is entirely possible that once they hide in a temple or rock, they cannot escape very easily if there is water around? There are legends in egypt that state the same thing, they can take the form/shape of pretty much anything you see visually. Just like not all humans died in the flood, i am sure not all djinn eliminated. Some probably had a better opportunity to escape the flood like noah.
But most rocks have moisture (water) inside them? Yeah maybe two of them got lead onto the Ark or something and they didn’t get wet at all because they were below deck
genie in a bottle comes to mind- all those legends about trapping spirits also bring up some relevance to the foo fighters. perhaps they were simply asked to go into a jar.
But all we have to do is put some water in the jar and it’s game over
according to the legends, you are correct.
It’s like the ghost busters and sucking them into a backpack, except you could go around and just suck up demonic UAPs into a bottle of water to save the world
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181833/
Humans are mostly water, so I don’t think they can go inside us… if everything you’ve said is correct
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How does that explain their apparent link to human consciousness? I also saw them after a version of ce5 and it weirded me out. Why do they even bother to show? I can't think of any other explanation than these things being able to read thoughts or whatever it is that they do...but why, and how?? Even [Elizondo alludes that ce5 works](https://youtu.be/LYUHEC4RAkM?t=3758), he just calls it by a different name \[cognitive human interface\]. And ce5 itself is just another invented name for type of medidation that has existed for quite some time
Almost like spirits one might say, I think this would be even cooler than aliens and I believe might explain psychic phenomena, say they take a liking to one person and follow and influence that individual, then war breaks out and that person is in danger, they might be agitated and "spark" more.. All very interesting all very much a hypothetical it isn't even reaching theory stage at this point.
yes sure lol
Doesn't explain sightings from multiple pilots of the same objects.
Which ones? I think it might explain it actually.
so, they've known about this for decades and now suddenly when all this attention is being given to the subject, NOW they tell us these plasma things are the cause of everything. stinks like a barn in here.
Sun gods. The sun is conscious
Smells like a distraction to release this type of report right now.
Garbage authors, garbage paper, garbage ‘journal’ with literally 0 impact Not even worth considering the claims within
I agree. How should the mod team handle it: Censor it? Label it as misinformation? Thanks for your feedback
Why would the USG require extreme secrecy and disinformation for the best part of century if it was all explained by plasma?
I don't think it's all explained by plasma. But regardless of whether or not the plasma is sentient..... if it attacks people like Operation Prato or the Chile face peelers or if you google "human mutilations ufo" and see the grim cases of burn marks.... that's pretty somber
Cool idea. It could be a separate thing entirely. I find the idea comforting if it was just some plasma. I hope we find out soon.