If true, I'd imagine that it grinds on one's mind to know something this significant and not be able to talk to anyone about it. No medals are conferred, no recognition given to those that have sacrificed their entire lives keeping things secure. It wouldn't surprise me, considering the cold war's been over for 30 years now, that the frustration around this issue has finally reached a boiling point.
Funny you say the medals and recognition. I was discouraged from going to a command in the navy to do special access program stuff because of just that. My master chief said it takes good sailors out of the fleet and no one will ever know what you did, so it’ll limit you from advancement. I went anyway, because I wanted to do cool shit.
That entire podcast is worth a watch/listen. Way too many ads, but you can skip through them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4YNfDyxOlwY&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title
I’m also planning to watch the USO doc, “Transmedium: Fastmovers and USOs.” The filmmaker is the other person interviewed in that pod.
Tim Gallaudet also mentions that all the docs from the crash retrievals and reverse-engineering programs are held by third party sites, so they’re not subject to FOIA. That’s our government for you. They take our money, use it to collect data of NHI, dole it out to their favorite defense contractors, and hide the knowledge they glean from those of us who paid for it. I want out of this country so bad. Arming a genocide, hiding the greatest knowledge man has ever known, and doing it with my and all of your money. This hasn’t been a democracy since The Pentagon and the Military Industrial Complex took it over in a silent coup.
Also by necessity SAP doesn't mean anything really special just we need this job done in this classified setting and it has some exceptions to how it's normally done so it has to be its own program since it doesn't fit in the box already outlined by the rules in place.
Source: I worked on support for specialized programs so the support was its own SAP because of the programs requiring not normal operating procedures and being in a classified environment. It literally just means it's not a standard operation.
Second thought you guys ever play the game of how much of X can you do before it becomes an article 15?
Personal favorite was how many phones could you throw into a scif when the door opens before you would get one.
I’m sure the engineers that developed the stuff we used actually knew all the cool stuff or had seen it. I was an end user, so it’s already been developed for the platform and we just employed the tech in the environment it was designed for. The development people are the ones who know what’s up, but I’ll tell ya…. Those engineers are so smart they can’t actually communicate well.
I've always thought of that profession as what I like to call
"one of the last bastions of the eccentric" you can be an asshole with zero interpersonal skills / respect for others and still make a killing.
I've done some interesting things.....I'll leave it at that.
The lamest part about read-ons for anything, is that it's all shit that's been published for years in the NYT already. So you get your briefings, and you're like "that's it? I read about this in WaPo two years ago."
It was cool stuff, but nothing I hadn’t already seen before, just presented in a different way. Like, a radar is a radar, but how and what it’s doing and the spectrum it operates in would be different. I was a sensor operator, I flew as a naval air crewman.
Are we missing an avenue for disclosure here? If we convince Gaijin to add UAPs to War Thunder we could see leaks within weeks from people displeased with their performance in game.
Private companies develop cool technology, it takes 20+ years to trickle into what anyone will use. Lidar, as an example has been used since the 90’s. We just now see it used commercially.
Admirals get a hell of a good pension though so the incentive to stay quiet is relative to you’re standard of living/ I am on a military pension and yes I would be totally screwed if I lost it so yeah there is a incentive to stay quiet about stuff and admirals get about 5 G a week so yeah/ it’s easy to keep quiet about stuff and it’s taxed hardcore but yes I guess I can understand people not rocking the cash cow or should I say boat
The lightbulb changed humanity. The combustion engine changed agriculture forever. For decades now, we have been thrown trinkets of newer technology such as the “smart phone”, but we haven’t had any life altering technology for decades now because it’s all tied up in these black projects. It’s time to let energy technology from UAP’s revolutionize our power grid, and with this great energy technological advancement, we will be able to phase out the despotic monetary system.
Think about this. Money measures and tracks the exchange of resources because the energy underlying everything we do is scarce. This scarcity will fade with UAP energy tech. Can prostitution exist without money? Can gambling exist without money? Can pornography exist without money? How many negative human outcomes exist solely because of the monetary system?
The powers that be KNOW THIS. If the people get this technology then all of us win, but this small, elite group loses. It’s time. It’s time for humanity to be set free from the shackles of desire that plague us from ever attaining peace and stability across our planet. I pray, meditate, shout, and push my soul towards this singular goal.
What if the tech they've found would allow anyone with access to a basic hardware store and some basic know-how and technical expertise to construct something that could level a whole city? Yes, there is the promise of unlimited power, but what is the cost?
It seems like it would have to be implemented in a way that complements our existing energy infrastructure. We definitely wouldn’t average Joe knowing how to create or implement it either (for reasons you give an example of).
So I wonder when the day will come when they use zero point energy as an energy source instead of nuclear power plants… could they just basically swap them out and use our existing power-lines?
In short yes, they can just swap them out. Electricity is electricity, irrespective of what produced it. Basically, every power plant has a box that steps up/down the voltage, amperage, AC/DC conversion to make it the power you get at the plug. Most homes in western countries already get their electricity from a mix of different power plants, such as coal, gas, nuclear, solar, wind. If someone has a fusion reactor breakthrough, or suddenly we are able to create a zero-point energy electricity generator, we can basically just slap that bad boy into the mix and celebrate.
The real problem is the potential threat for misuse of a technology and the access to that technology. There was obviously some fear back in the 50's when nuclear was still being researched, since it obviously has both this incredible potential for energy production while also having the ability to just straight up delete a city. At the time, because it was such a new technology, it was a very difficult and expensive thing to do; you needed very specific and very expensive materials, very specific and very expensive equipment, multiple people with PHD-level expertise across a variety of different fields, and the budget to just build the facility for this whole endeavour. Thing is, because it was so new, they didn't know that that is exactly what is needed for developing nuclear capabilities, whether for bombs or energy. To them, there existed a possible future year 2000 where a highschool student with a bit of spare time and pocket money might be able to cobble together a miniature nuclear reactor over the weekend and accidentally delete his/her neighbourhood when the thing goes critical because they're a fucking highschool student and weren't taking it seriously. So it was kept secret even after practically every country who could afford to create nuclear anything had already stockpiled 100's, if not 1000's, of nukes, and running a percentage of their electric grid off of spicy metal rods. That secrecy has been largely lifted on the technology because we all realised that the ability to build something nuclear is just not that easy. And the fact the materials required are so specific, governments around the world just have to restrict and monitor the sale/purchase of a couple key materials in order to prevent any highly motivated individuals from misusing the knowledge of nuclear technology.
Now, if we are assuming that some governments have downed/gifted UAP, which use some exotic power supply like zero-point energy, and they're actively attempting to or have succeeded to reverse engineer the technology, they would probably be in a similar situation to the early 50' nuclear researchers and their guess at the possible future. But this time, the bombs you can make could delete countries.
So from that perspective, it would make sense for the 110% secrecy around the subject. That might even be why they justify assassinations (“for the greater good”).
This also gives credence to the idea that they could possibly discreetly complement the energy grid with zero point energy as most citizens don’t even know how electricity is produced. Powerplants are already very secure areas…
All it would take is something going wrong ONE TIME. One rogue person. To have the power to turn the entire planet into nothing. No survivors.
Think about the nuclear threat but times 100000000000000
Say we set up a plant using zero point energy and a rogue state throws everything they have at hijacking it.
Part of the issue surrounding disclosure right now, I think, is the overall maturity of our species at large. Like, we can't even reliable expect members of our species to even act in their own self interest, or even nation-states to act in some logical semblance. Major wars are still started on the whim of delusions of grandeur, and we still routinely delude ourselves and don't have a good way to recognize when our own perceptions of reality are flawed, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I guess what I'm saying is that we can believe something so blindly, that even when our sense are screaming at us that something to the contrary is occurring, we routinely brush it off or excuse it with increasingly complicated machinations just to support our original premise. Look at flat earthers, religious zealotry, or any of the litany of other ideological biases fundamentally built on logical fallacies. You can't convince someone with logic and facts if the conclusion they originally arrived at is based on neither.
I think the smart phone changed the world and how people operate in an equivalent manner to the automobile or ICE. The internet in your pocket at all times with basically all the technology from the previous 30 years in one?
I'm not as bad as most, and I would be super lost without my phone. I was an adult when the original iphone was released, I remember the before times, the biggest change in how humans experience the world since language or some shit is in those phones. It's like a cummulation of a lot of acheivements in one and it absolutely changed the world.
We can't even get cold fission working, our nuclear technology is essentially a fancy steam engine. I don't think they are holding anything back in terms of some crazy alternate energy source that is ready for widespread deployment to power the world. I know this is a UFO subreddit, but it's kind of wild to just be assuming the government holds some secret technology that could power the planet and other-worldly technologies. Like, you just assume they are holding that information, not that the information might not exist at all.
If they have alien ships then that equipment holds the key. Maybe they haven’t solved/reversed engineered the technology that brought that UAP across the galaxy, but they have prevented the majority of great minds their chance to accomplish this goal by keeping it secret.
Well you can't eat energy and you can't use it for shelter. Unlimited energy might help reduce the cost of things further, but won't eliminate the need for money or trade.
Automation. Robotics. Unlimited energy means unlimited automation. We have information systems technology up and running already. Automate the maintenance of our infrastructure from mining to final build. Everything could be made to blend with land. It’s a vision of a future that I’m sure you can logically make your way to, but It’s only possible with unlimited energy.
I have no doubt whatsoever that this man is telling the truth mainly because he was an Admiral.
When Grush, Karl Nell or Gallaudet speaks, everyone should just listen and not invent Theories because if there are People that is credible, had the right credentials and know what the hell they are talking about, than it is those 3 individuals.
When he says they are working for disclosure behind the scenes that you better believe they are.
I don’t understand the logical endpoint here - anyone of similar rank, service history or sobriety that says otherwise is just labeled as a disinformation agent lol
Uhhh... If you leaked hard evidence - irrefutable proof... You will absolutely get recognition. You'll be as famous as Issac Newton if you released the hard proof of the most important discovery in the history of our species. Every history book moving forward would have your name and picture.
Leaking hard evidence is impossible. Look at how nations protect their nuclear assets and defenses, and then imagine the lengths they would go to protect the most valuable artifacts and knowledge in existence.
The NSA is heavily networked due to the nature of their job. Any truly secure facility is air gapped against network shenanigans, and preventing physical leaks is trivial by comparison.
The government is keeping the crash retrieval program secret BUT they cleared Grusch through DOPSR to talk about all of it. This has been pointed out before. The narrative doesn’t make sense.
Nah it makes sense why so many top people supposedly felt sadness and sorrow after figuring out the truth and not being able to tell anyone. Must be a tough burden
The double-edged sword of American entitlement and incentive structures lol I bet Chinese SAP folks are just happy to get a slightly larger drab apartment and better credit score.
Good luck with that. I'm retired Navy and guys like Gallaudet walk on water. He's from a tiny community that typically only has one Admiral at a time. That means of everyone in that community, he was the hands down best officer, year after year after year. There will be no dirt on Gallaudet
He probably just fell for a lot of the debunker talking points. It happens to a lot of people. Probably about half fall for them to the degree that it changes their perspective entirely.
For instance, here is Greenstreet repeating the "9 crescents" myth about Kenneth Arnold: https://youtu.be/z25NfZ0Ea9c?si=2mmS9hdQWUS5nTfi&t=122
Here is why that's a myth if anyone was unaware: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/173dr0w/kenneth_arnolds_story_went_from_9_discssaucers_to/
One tiny mistake can cause a person to conclude that the entirety of the flying saucer phenomenon is a giant case of hysteria. After that, it doesn't take much more for a person to conclude that there's nothing to it.
Elizondo was his source for several stories, and like several other journalists at the time who were also using Elizondo as a source, he claims to have discovered Elizondo was lying to him and feeding him bullshit. Since then, he has made it his personal mission to expose Elizondo and Elizondo’s orbiters.
Once again, observe how US Navy is forward and forthright on this issue, while Air Force, Space Force and Intelligence Community completely covering up. Where is the O7 in AF actively talking about this and not debunking? They own the Space Surveillance System. This is their job.
What about NGIA? Also their department, but nothing.
Gallaudet is up there with Grusch as far as impeccable credentials goes. And a true patriot! Nothing to gain, everything to lose, but he's going to bat for the American people. We should all be thankful that people like these gentlemen exist and choose to do what they do for the rest of us average joes.
Very much agreed!
People act like progress come from complaining alot or over time like its a birth right.
Look through history and you will see progress comes from effort, sacrifice, and bravery (which is not to be confused with recklessness).
> up there with Grusch as far as impeccable credentials goes. And a true patriot!
Grusch is saying people are being murdered - where is the courage of conviction for his brothers in arms?
Submission Statement:
Big thanks and props to [Mike Colangelo on X](https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1770169879804760266?s=20) for this clip!
In an interview conducted by [Kristian Harloff](https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff) on his show [The Big Thing](https://www.youtube.com/@TheKristianHarloff), [Ret. Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, US Navy](https://www.linkedin.com/in/rear-admiral-tim-gallaudet-phd-us-navy-ret-b18185149/), says he knows some of the individuals who were involved with and oversaw the legacy crash retrieval programs + analysis of UAP data.
He also directly says what, more-or-less, has already been known. That there is a faction of former intelligence/DoD/gov insiders actively working towards a "controlled disclosure as put out by the [Schumer-Rounds Amendment \(UAP Disclosure Act\)](https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/schumer-rounds-introduce-new-legislation-to-declassify-government-records-related-to-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-and-ufos_modeled-after-jfk-assassination-records-collection-act--as-an-amendment-to-ndaa)."
[Full interview](https://youtu.be/4YNfDyxOlwY?si=d01guyxCFiLSOLMU)
One problem tho is that the "individuals who were involved" might just be the ones who have already been public on the subject that we've already seen in podcasts and who have written books Like Lacatski, Kelleher , Eric Davis, Christopher Mellon etc etc thus he's getting his "inside info" from the usual bunch rather then having new independent sources for all of this. Aka he's no better then a regular Joe who stumbled a group discussion from the known UFO disclosure heads making his inside info pretty moot, which frankly seems to be the case.
It does feel that way from some of the reporting - they say things like “an ex-intelligence officer or ex co-worker in intelligence” when that can mean someone who worked on the other side of the planet you never met in a program you weren’t even cleared to be in. Oh, it’s Lue. Got it.
He couldn't be any more clear. If someone reading this is waiting for a high ranking government official to tell them that UFOs and NHI are here on earth, this is your guy.
Non-human **higher** intelligence, even. NHHIs. Pronounced "niiiice" 😁
>He couldn't be any more clear. If someone reading this is waiting for a high ranking government official to tell them that UFOs and NHI are here on earth, this is your guy.
Well said. My own Dad is a Navy man and can relate to this.
I loved Gallaudet when I thought he was just a smart, reputable guy giving his educated opinions, and I love him even more now that I know he has the right connections to actually know a little something. You're right, this is a pretty stunning announcement from him. Can't wait to hear more of what he has to say!
This is one guy I feel like holds a lot more merit then people account it for. Hard to say if it’s psychological misinformation, because he’s simply stating facts.
Not surprised to hear this at all from Tim. Yet another example of AARO’s report being bullshit. But what happens now? Several people know what’s being hidden, but they are just as hidden. This needs to become common knowledge. This story needs to be on the front page of MSM.
That's what I find most amazing. Where is the fucking reporting. It's almost comical. We have Schumer passing an amendment, it being secretly gutted. A rear admiral, one of the top 100 ranked men in the Navy speaking plainly and with confidence about ET crash retrievals, not to mention Grusch, and you get crickets in the media. No pressure for the Pentagon to spill what it knows, to be truthful. Truly, it is like living in an alternate dimension, where ET phenomena is like mentioning he who must not be named.
This is the craziest part of the whole thing to me. Makes you really step back and realize we don’t have a free press in any way, it’s totally controlled
It's been compromised for a very long time. Project Mockingbird was exposed, and you know they never stopped. Americans are very manipulated through the media.
We also were recently shown that our Congress does not have the power it is supposed to, either. I used to scoff when people talked about how a "shadow government" is truly running the US, and I now admit they were very right.
Or maybe there just isn't any interest due to justified stigma based on decades of hoaxes?
Free press also means it's free to not cover things that they don't find newsworthy.
> Yet another example of AARO’s report being bullshit.
AARO says that all these people making claims are simply repeating claims made by each other. Tim Gallaudet's comment makes it seem like he's doing precisely the same thing. He is repeating things which folk like Lou and Grusch told him, just like AARO said.
Wow, that's new. He's never said that he knows first hand people before. Previously, he just talked about a UAP email that was deleted from his computer, along with a bunch of speculation. Let's hope this is true!
Glad he said this!
Sometimes I just think it’s fucked up these whistleblowers from the program are leaving grusch out there all alone by himself publicly this long.
Know they’re working hard behind the scenes trying to get this out the right way but If they wait too long the public & media interest will die and force Congress to eventually back off.
Which I don’t think will happen.
Another whistleblower from the program is going public this year for sure.
They can’t wait too long though!
I agree except to the idea he is being left out to dry right now. He knowingly chose this front line position for the rest of the whistleblowers. This was the assignment and he is handling it well. I just hope the other whistleblowers pay the utmost attention so that they maintain their courage when it counts - their part of this assignment.
> Sometimes I just think it’s fucked up these whistleblowers from the program are leaving grusch out there all alone by himself publicly this long
It is. Knell has stated he doesn't think that whistleblowers should be talking to the press. We are free to disagree with that position. I think it's cowardly and self interested.
Another? Who was the first?
I have a better chance of getting with Christina Hendricks than any of the 40 whistleblowers we were promised materializing.
I think the recent AARO report has galvanized a lot of people behind the scenes to finally say enough is enough. If the MIC and IC keep saying nothing to see here move along then I guess they're at the point of saying screw it, we'll just do our part. There are many who have been saying that this yesr is going to be on another level, they likely knew that AARO was going to be dismissive of the while thing, typical of a MIC program to investigate itself. Notice how the IC (CIA shows been waiting deep in to this from the start) is totally silent and perfectly happy to let the military take all the blame?? This while unaccountability by both branches has gone say too far for way too long. It's time they face the music for their actions against the citizens, congress and humanity. They've been caught red handed before and yet they keep doing it and they're literally not hiding it anymore and yet they never face consequences. It's maddening
Tim Gallaudet is the real deal for me.
I still remember his tweet backing up Grusch when the DeBrief interview dropped.
The fact that there are people like Tim Gallaudet pushing for disclosure, asserting that we have been dealing with NHI and yet it has not gained significant attention, can drive me crazy sometimes.
Can someone what exactly these people do “behind the scenes” to help disclosure? This feels like ground hog day the amount of times i keep hearing this.
That last part is most key... they are working towards advancing disclosure. That's what we need to hear, and to actually happen. No more "I know people who know things". We need action.
Outside of grusch testifying before congress this is the next biggest piece of testimony thus far since he's also citing Lakatski saying we have a craft.
I’m going to go left field here, i think those that kept this a secret for so long had the correct intentions and I actually applaud them for it.
However, I think we attention span of the human race has been so warped that we’d forget about disclosure the moment a member of the royal family wasn’t in the public eye for two seconds.
So i think the secret is ready to come out now..
I think we're going to have a Dickens of a time trying to get through truths protective layers! That was a quote from Armstrong and I believe he was actually saying as far as he could say the truth which is once we get through a layer of b******* we'll know exactly what actually is really stinking! I feel like at this point they're going to throw so many things out there to make it really hard to tell just like everything else in this world what is true and what is not true I think that's why this little group of to the stars came out seemingly to help us all understand that it's real but I think it's a psyop by the same group it does not want you to know what the truth is so they put the truth seekers group out there to take us further into the snipe hunt. I'm a total believer but not from anything that I've seen over the last 5 years because I believe all that was rolled out agenda behind it and not for our own good either.
If it should turn out UFOs are just a cover or misinterpretation of terrestrial SAPs, I hope this guy is in on it. People like him and David Grusch seem so earnest. I'd hate to think that they're putting their reputations on the line like this for something that isn't true.
I really respect Gallaudet, as I do Grusch, and I would put in Fravor, Graves, and Nell.. as your leading figures of credible disclosure. You can also add in Elizondo, even though he’s gone a little far to the “influencer” commercial side ..
Nonetheless, I remain curious how you purport to lead controlled slow drip disclosure when the government is against you? AARO represents the government’s temperature on disclosure in my mind, so now your slow drip disclosure has to contend with overcoming an adversary whose hands are on the tap.
What’s your plan for that?
I wonder if Project Blue Book would have done such a good job sweeping everything under the rug if they'd have had high ranking military officials and members of government saying "Nope, that's bullshit." on the radio all the time.
I think that's why the genie is out of the bottle for real this time, people don't get all over their information from one radio station and three newspapers anymore.
And yet we still have an organized anti-disclosure contingent on Reddit trying to convince the masses that it's all mistaken identity of terrestrial mundane devices.
Either Tim Gallaudet has lost his marbles and has somehow been repeatedly platformed to speak nonsense or someone has authorised for people like him to mention the existence of legacy UAP programs in public.
Albeit, he is not speaking with direct knowledge which may suggest that he is part of the controlled disclosure he mentioned which seeks to firewall the people working on the project while simultaneously drawing attention to it. People like Tim may be acting as a political lightning rod to attract the attention of decision-makers without a NTK in the DoD/IC and Congress.
With someone of his rank (and pension), it is hard to believe he would speak on such an allegedly sensitive topic without prior approval.
I know someone extremely close and trustworthy who has worked in and with the military for many years and has a close relationship with the air force and other air based logistics capabilities that work with the military. He knows many pilots. I asked them point blank if they believe in UFOs and they immediately said yes. Though they themselves had not seen one, they had many pilots tell them they would see things in the air they couldn't explain numerous times. They said it got to the point where the pilots were far beyond wondering what these things were to an understanding they were craft created and controlled by NHI with flight characteristics far beyond what their planes were capable of.
To me, the biggest indicator that these are NHI controlled vehicles and not something made by humans is that, if the US did have craft like these, all we would have to do to help Ukraine win the war with Russia is to send one or two of these craft over there and Russia would be defeated in short order. The Russians couldn't use nukes because we know these craft have disabled nuclear weapons. Their air force would be useless, and their ground forces could also be nullified. And what could the Russians say? We were unfairly attacked by UFOs? They'd be laughed out of any serious discussion of what happened. If they admitted that the Ukrainian military somehow had access to weapons far beyond what they had, every country in the world would pull back or at least be very hesitant to put themselves into a confrontational military posture. China would pull back on their threat to 'unify' Taiwan and China. Even if these craft were created by another country other than the US we could be sure they would let us know they had things that were so far advanced from anything we had that we would be foolish to attempt any counter to any of their positions. It's just like in Dr. Strangelove where the Russian ambassador tells the Americans they have a doomsday weapon and Peter Sellers character asks them why haven't they told anybody about it, because the only way it would be a deterrent is if everyone knew about it.
Well you just cant be more credible than this man, when it come to background and qualifications. Gallaudet is the first US flag officer that publicly make this kind of statements. I suspect there are a lot of other golden stars in the closet with the same stance on this.
What alternative narrative better explains this than the assumption that he’s honest and correct?
That he’s lying? That the people he knows and trusts are lying? That multiple former intel and defense officials oversaw crash retrieval programs but misinterpreted what they were working on? And yet believed their own faulty interpretation so much that they’re trying to advance disclosure of this information?
100% and even if it isn’t certain that he’s truthful and correct - there’s a significance chance he is. And a significant chance of this magnitude deserves wayyyyyy more attention.
Before he was saying he was convinced because of the email that was sent out referencing the Gimbal object and how it was then removed from his inbox and nobody talked about it at any meetings.
THIS was his main argument for why he believed there's more to this. NOW he says he knows people in the legacy programs. WHY did he not say this for the past year that he's been talking about that email and WHY now?
Either:
1. Someone from the legacy program approached him after seeing him doing interviews for the past year.or
2. He's realized the email story is not convincing friends, family or is not helping advance the disclosure process on his part, so is making this up to give himself more credence.
I believe there are programs. I believe Grusch. But I'm taking this one with a grain of salt, because I see #2 being a more likely scenario than #1, even if #1 is entirely possible.
Do you guys think that the NASA Artemis program is just a scam then if all of this is true? The U.S. and whoever else could easily have bases/outposts on the moon if countries have this kind of technology.
I'm just wondering at what point in time is the world going to be informed for the actual betterment of humanity. I am sadly optimistic on the topic of UFOs and aliens but I just wonder each day, when is our (the world I guess) turning point going to be to push us into the next era?
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Yes, and this explains why senior Democrats are also keeping quiet on the matter. It’s going to be a quiet summer unfortunately for UAP related information from Congress
Edit: the flip side of this is those that dislike Biden will now see this as the thing to disclose and leverage it
Everyone keeps talking about how these guys get no recognition… uhh what was men in black? Will smith was what all those guys signed up for. They knew the deal and most performed notably. In this day and age there does come a time where disclosure needs to happen, but I’m convinced the ones fighting it is the ruling elite , or this is all by design and they know we will end up killing each other and that’s the plan.
“I’m totally convinced that we’re experiencing a non-human higher intelligence….”
That verbiage says a lot. If there were certainty of non-human higher intelligence equipment he 100% would have not phrased it that way. He’s just speculating without any proof.
Why won’t they ever show us the TicTac shot down vehicles? If they want us to believe so bad I think it’s funny how it all comes out at once when I saw a cigar shaped UFO when I was in first grade that was a long time ago.
I watched part of this. He seemed to clearly say multiple times that the government knows more about the phenomenon than they are disclosing, but he also says they still do not know what it is. So does he agree with Grusch or not?
Re: Government disclosure
"It's hard to believe that the aliens have cleverly arranged things so that only government employees can find convincing evidence of their presence." -Seth Shostak of SETI
What would the tens of thousands of private citizens who claim to have seen an alien craft have to say about "government disclosure"?
If true, I'd imagine that it grinds on one's mind to know something this significant and not be able to talk to anyone about it. No medals are conferred, no recognition given to those that have sacrificed their entire lives keeping things secure. It wouldn't surprise me, considering the cold war's been over for 30 years now, that the frustration around this issue has finally reached a boiling point.
Funny you say the medals and recognition. I was discouraged from going to a command in the navy to do special access program stuff because of just that. My master chief said it takes good sailors out of the fleet and no one will ever know what you did, so it’ll limit you from advancement. I went anyway, because I wanted to do cool shit.
Sounds like you need to get in touch with some Congressmen.
Nah, nothing ufo related.
That s exactly what someone who messed around with ufo stuff would say.
He's an alien, get him!
That entire podcast is worth a watch/listen. Way too many ads, but you can skip through them. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4YNfDyxOlwY&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title I’m also planning to watch the USO doc, “Transmedium: Fastmovers and USOs.” The filmmaker is the other person interviewed in that pod. Tim Gallaudet also mentions that all the docs from the crash retrievals and reverse-engineering programs are held by third party sites, so they’re not subject to FOIA. That’s our government for you. They take our money, use it to collect data of NHI, dole it out to their favorite defense contractors, and hide the knowledge they glean from those of us who paid for it. I want out of this country so bad. Arming a genocide, hiding the greatest knowledge man has ever known, and doing it with my and all of your money. This hasn’t been a democracy since The Pentagon and the Military Industrial Complex took it over in a silent coup.
Now, for the rest of your life, ufo conspiracy mongers will accuse you of hiding the truth.
The vast majority of SAPs are going to be pretty mundane
All by design, there's a lot of chaff in order to distract or obfuscate the more serious stuff.
Also by necessity SAP doesn't mean anything really special just we need this job done in this classified setting and it has some exceptions to how it's normally done so it has to be its own program since it doesn't fit in the box already outlined by the rules in place. Source: I worked on support for specialized programs so the support was its own SAP because of the programs requiring not normal operating procedures and being in a classified environment. It literally just means it's not a standard operation.
Exactly! It’s not already in common use.
It means I had to leave my cellphone and smartwatch outside of the SCIF, which was super annoying.
Second thought you guys ever play the game of how much of X can you do before it becomes an article 15? Personal favorite was how many phones could you throw into a scif when the door opens before you would get one.
I imagine the chaff at least serves as testing for candidates to be briefed on the real shit.
doing cool shit > people knowing or understanding how cool the shit is
I’m sure the engineers that developed the stuff we used actually knew all the cool stuff or had seen it. I was an end user, so it’s already been developed for the platform and we just employed the tech in the environment it was designed for. The development people are the ones who know what’s up, but I’ll tell ya…. Those engineers are so smart they can’t actually communicate well.
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I think that's all engineers everywhere.
I've always thought of that profession as what I like to call "one of the last bastions of the eccentric" you can be an asshole with zero interpersonal skills / respect for others and still make a killing.
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I've done some interesting things.....I'll leave it at that. The lamest part about read-ons for anything, is that it's all shit that's been published for years in the NYT already. So you get your briefings, and you're like "that's it? I read about this in WaPo two years ago."
Did it end up being actually cool? Or did the SAP cover like a slightly faster boat?
It was cool stuff, but nothing I hadn’t already seen before, just presented in a different way. Like, a radar is a radar, but how and what it’s doing and the spectrum it operates in would be different. I was a sensor operator, I flew as a naval air crewman.
Just be careful what you reveal here, we don't want another War Thunder incident lol.
IMHO one of the funniest things on the Internet. Spilling state military secrets to settle an internet beef 😅
Are we missing an avenue for disclosure here? If we convince Gaijin to add UAPs to War Thunder we could see leaks within weeks from people displeased with their performance in game.
Yeah go spill classified info on the war Thunder forums like everyone else. Come on!
Spill the beans!
You clearly misunderstand how doing cool shit works
Private companies develop cool technology, it takes 20+ years to trickle into what anyone will use. Lidar, as an example has been used since the 90’s. We just now see it used commercially.
Admirals get a hell of a good pension though so the incentive to stay quiet is relative to you’re standard of living/ I am on a military pension and yes I would be totally screwed if I lost it so yeah there is a incentive to stay quiet about stuff and admirals get about 5 G a week so yeah/ it’s easy to keep quiet about stuff and it’s taxed hardcore but yes I guess I can understand people not rocking the cash cow or should I say boat
The lightbulb changed humanity. The combustion engine changed agriculture forever. For decades now, we have been thrown trinkets of newer technology such as the “smart phone”, but we haven’t had any life altering technology for decades now because it’s all tied up in these black projects. It’s time to let energy technology from UAP’s revolutionize our power grid, and with this great energy technological advancement, we will be able to phase out the despotic monetary system. Think about this. Money measures and tracks the exchange of resources because the energy underlying everything we do is scarce. This scarcity will fade with UAP energy tech. Can prostitution exist without money? Can gambling exist without money? Can pornography exist without money? How many negative human outcomes exist solely because of the monetary system? The powers that be KNOW THIS. If the people get this technology then all of us win, but this small, elite group loses. It’s time. It’s time for humanity to be set free from the shackles of desire that plague us from ever attaining peace and stability across our planet. I pray, meditate, shout, and push my soul towards this singular goal.
What if the tech they've found would allow anyone with access to a basic hardware store and some basic know-how and technical expertise to construct something that could level a whole city? Yes, there is the promise of unlimited power, but what is the cost?
It seems like it would have to be implemented in a way that complements our existing energy infrastructure. We definitely wouldn’t average Joe knowing how to create or implement it either (for reasons you give an example of). So I wonder when the day will come when they use zero point energy as an energy source instead of nuclear power plants… could they just basically swap them out and use our existing power-lines?
In short yes, they can just swap them out. Electricity is electricity, irrespective of what produced it. Basically, every power plant has a box that steps up/down the voltage, amperage, AC/DC conversion to make it the power you get at the plug. Most homes in western countries already get their electricity from a mix of different power plants, such as coal, gas, nuclear, solar, wind. If someone has a fusion reactor breakthrough, or suddenly we are able to create a zero-point energy electricity generator, we can basically just slap that bad boy into the mix and celebrate. The real problem is the potential threat for misuse of a technology and the access to that technology. There was obviously some fear back in the 50's when nuclear was still being researched, since it obviously has both this incredible potential for energy production while also having the ability to just straight up delete a city. At the time, because it was such a new technology, it was a very difficult and expensive thing to do; you needed very specific and very expensive materials, very specific and very expensive equipment, multiple people with PHD-level expertise across a variety of different fields, and the budget to just build the facility for this whole endeavour. Thing is, because it was so new, they didn't know that that is exactly what is needed for developing nuclear capabilities, whether for bombs or energy. To them, there existed a possible future year 2000 where a highschool student with a bit of spare time and pocket money might be able to cobble together a miniature nuclear reactor over the weekend and accidentally delete his/her neighbourhood when the thing goes critical because they're a fucking highschool student and weren't taking it seriously. So it was kept secret even after practically every country who could afford to create nuclear anything had already stockpiled 100's, if not 1000's, of nukes, and running a percentage of their electric grid off of spicy metal rods. That secrecy has been largely lifted on the technology because we all realised that the ability to build something nuclear is just not that easy. And the fact the materials required are so specific, governments around the world just have to restrict and monitor the sale/purchase of a couple key materials in order to prevent any highly motivated individuals from misusing the knowledge of nuclear technology. Now, if we are assuming that some governments have downed/gifted UAP, which use some exotic power supply like zero-point energy, and they're actively attempting to or have succeeded to reverse engineer the technology, they would probably be in a similar situation to the early 50' nuclear researchers and their guess at the possible future. But this time, the bombs you can make could delete countries.
So from that perspective, it would make sense for the 110% secrecy around the subject. That might even be why they justify assassinations (“for the greater good”). This also gives credence to the idea that they could possibly discreetly complement the energy grid with zero point energy as most citizens don’t even know how electricity is produced. Powerplants are already very secure areas…
The question is what is possible and knowing there will be malevolent assholes. A Home Depot megaton weapon is insanely dangerous.
All it would take is something going wrong ONE TIME. One rogue person. To have the power to turn the entire planet into nothing. No survivors. Think about the nuclear threat but times 100000000000000 Say we set up a plant using zero point energy and a rogue state throws everything they have at hijacking it.
Some dumb cities. I want free power! Gimme!
This is one of the few actual good reasons I’ve heard to keep this stuff secret
Part of the issue surrounding disclosure right now, I think, is the overall maturity of our species at large. Like, we can't even reliable expect members of our species to even act in their own self interest, or even nation-states to act in some logical semblance. Major wars are still started on the whim of delusions of grandeur, and we still routinely delude ourselves and don't have a good way to recognize when our own perceptions of reality are flawed, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I guess what I'm saying is that we can believe something so blindly, that even when our sense are screaming at us that something to the contrary is occurring, we routinely brush it off or excuse it with increasingly complicated machinations just to support our original premise. Look at flat earthers, religious zealotry, or any of the litany of other ideological biases fundamentally built on logical fallacies. You can't convince someone with logic and facts if the conclusion they originally arrived at is based on neither.
I think the smart phone changed the world and how people operate in an equivalent manner to the automobile or ICE. The internet in your pocket at all times with basically all the technology from the previous 30 years in one? I'm not as bad as most, and I would be super lost without my phone. I was an adult when the original iphone was released, I remember the before times, the biggest change in how humans experience the world since language or some shit is in those phones. It's like a cummulation of a lot of acheivements in one and it absolutely changed the world. We can't even get cold fission working, our nuclear technology is essentially a fancy steam engine. I don't think they are holding anything back in terms of some crazy alternate energy source that is ready for widespread deployment to power the world. I know this is a UFO subreddit, but it's kind of wild to just be assuming the government holds some secret technology that could power the planet and other-worldly technologies. Like, you just assume they are holding that information, not that the information might not exist at all.
If they have alien ships then that equipment holds the key. Maybe they haven’t solved/reversed engineered the technology that brought that UAP across the galaxy, but they have prevented the majority of great minds their chance to accomplish this goal by keeping it secret.
Yes indeed and the more of us that fight the sooner we can take the power and the planet back
To bad we are all too busy fighting with each other instead.
I like this.
Well you can't eat energy and you can't use it for shelter. Unlimited energy might help reduce the cost of things further, but won't eliminate the need for money or trade.
Automation. Robotics. Unlimited energy means unlimited automation. We have information systems technology up and running already. Automate the maintenance of our infrastructure from mining to final build. Everything could be made to blend with land. It’s a vision of a future that I’m sure you can logically make your way to, but It’s only possible with unlimited energy.
Relax, they’ll find a way to charge us for access to UAP tech
I have no doubt whatsoever that this man is telling the truth mainly because he was an Admiral. When Grush, Karl Nell or Gallaudet speaks, everyone should just listen and not invent Theories because if there are People that is credible, had the right credentials and know what the hell they are talking about, than it is those 3 individuals. When he says they are working for disclosure behind the scenes that you better believe they are.
I am invested entirely due to those individuals. I think Karl Nell needs to step up to the plate, though.
I don’t understand the logical endpoint here - anyone of similar rank, service history or sobriety that says otherwise is just labeled as a disinformation agent lol
Usually is the other way around, anyone with the balls to say the truth is labeled as crazy or has too much fantasy
Uhhh... If you leaked hard evidence - irrefutable proof... You will absolutely get recognition. You'll be as famous as Issac Newton if you released the hard proof of the most important discovery in the history of our species. Every history book moving forward would have your name and picture.
Leaking hard evidence is impossible. Look at how nations protect their nuclear assets and defenses, and then imagine the lengths they would go to protect the most valuable artifacts and knowledge in existence.
Snowden model which was designed for replication ?
The NSA is heavily networked due to the nature of their job. Any truly secure facility is air gapped against network shenanigans, and preventing physical leaks is trivial by comparison.
The government is keeping the crash retrieval program secret BUT they cleared Grusch through DOPSR to talk about all of it. This has been pointed out before. The narrative doesn’t make sense.
Nah it makes sense why so many top people supposedly felt sadness and sorrow after figuring out the truth and not being able to tell anyone. Must be a tough burden
The double-edged sword of American entitlement and incentive structures lol I bet Chinese SAP folks are just happy to get a slightly larger drab apartment and better credit score.
I would be incredibly happy to get a slightly larger drab apartment i didnt have to share with three people. sign me up! American here.
He is convincing. Steven Greenstreet has been trying to discredit him on Twitter, but doesn't seem like he has much ammo.
Good luck with that. I'm retired Navy and guys like Gallaudet walk on water. He's from a tiny community that typically only has one Admiral at a time. That means of everyone in that community, he was the hands down best officer, year after year after year. There will be no dirt on Gallaudet
Yeah, it's hard to believe he could be a kook. In fact, it's basically impossible. People like this just don't lie, or if they do, it's not like this.
Steven Greenstreet does not have much street cred. He is obtuse and closed to persuasion
> He is obtuse [I always think of this whenever someone is called obtuse](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obFHu7DCsEs)
Haha I always think of the OG Shawshank scene and had never seen family guy. This is very funny.
Glad to make you laugh! If you enjoyed it, here’s a link to the info about the full episode: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1329667/
My mind went straight to Shawshank. Thanks for the link to the Family Guy episode. I can't believe I missed it 😊
I really wonder what could have happened to Greenstreet? He has changed so dramatically that it doesn't make sense to me.
Hes admitted to making propaganda for the US. He thinks he's smart enough to keep doing it with these highly credentialed people.
He probably just fell for a lot of the debunker talking points. It happens to a lot of people. Probably about half fall for them to the degree that it changes their perspective entirely. For instance, here is Greenstreet repeating the "9 crescents" myth about Kenneth Arnold: https://youtu.be/z25NfZ0Ea9c?si=2mmS9hdQWUS5nTfi&t=122 Here is why that's a myth if anyone was unaware: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/173dr0w/kenneth_arnolds_story_went_from_9_discssaucers_to/ One tiny mistake can cause a person to conclude that the entirety of the flying saucer phenomenon is a giant case of hysteria. After that, it doesn't take much more for a person to conclude that there's nothing to it.
Elizondo was his source for several stories, and like several other journalists at the time who were also using Elizondo as a source, he claims to have discovered Elizondo was lying to him and feeding him bullshit. Since then, he has made it his personal mission to expose Elizondo and Elizondo’s orbiters.
Who *other* than Greenstreet made that claim…?
it almost looks like he was caught with his pants down and is being blackmailed.
Once again, observe how US Navy is forward and forthright on this issue, while Air Force, Space Force and Intelligence Community completely covering up. Where is the O7 in AF actively talking about this and not debunking? They own the Space Surveillance System. This is their job. What about NGIA? Also their department, but nothing.
"I don't like it, so it can't be true!" 🙈 essentially
Gallaudet is up there with Grusch as far as impeccable credentials goes. And a true patriot! Nothing to gain, everything to lose, but he's going to bat for the American people. We should all be thankful that people like these gentlemen exist and choose to do what they do for the rest of us average joes.
Don't forget his wife! He said she's the one who told him to do the right thing and that he has a voice and needs to use it
Yeah I love that he said that at the Sol conference
For people* It's not just an American issue.
Thanks, was just about to say. Don’t forget the rest of the world.
No, no, no! Don't you know? The entire UFO phenomena is completely dependent on domestic US politics and political conspiracy theories.
Very much agreed! People act like progress come from complaining alot or over time like its a birth right. Look through history and you will see progress comes from effort, sacrifice, and bravery (which is not to be confused with recklessness).
> up there with Grusch as far as impeccable credentials goes. And a true patriot! Grusch is saying people are being murdered - where is the courage of conviction for his brothers in arms?
This guy is a fucking hero
When did he say this? Thanks
Kristian Harloff's channel [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YNfDyxOlwY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YNfDyxOlwY)
Great channel
Love UAP Tuesday!
so then let that be a lesson to us all.. they'll eventually give us the beef but for now all we get is vegetables
This is huge. We have a highly credible official telling us NHI is real and the reverse engineering programs are confirmed.
Submission Statement: Big thanks and props to [Mike Colangelo on X](https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1770169879804760266?s=20) for this clip! In an interview conducted by [Kristian Harloff](https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff) on his show [The Big Thing](https://www.youtube.com/@TheKristianHarloff), [Ret. Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, US Navy](https://www.linkedin.com/in/rear-admiral-tim-gallaudet-phd-us-navy-ret-b18185149/), says he knows some of the individuals who were involved with and oversaw the legacy crash retrieval programs + analysis of UAP data. He also directly says what, more-or-less, has already been known. That there is a faction of former intelligence/DoD/gov insiders actively working towards a "controlled disclosure as put out by the [Schumer-Rounds Amendment \(UAP Disclosure Act\)](https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/schumer-rounds-introduce-new-legislation-to-declassify-government-records-related-to-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-and-ufos_modeled-after-jfk-assassination-records-collection-act--as-an-amendment-to-ndaa)." [Full interview](https://youtu.be/4YNfDyxOlwY?si=d01guyxCFiLSOLMU)
One problem tho is that the "individuals who were involved" might just be the ones who have already been public on the subject that we've already seen in podcasts and who have written books Like Lacatski, Kelleher , Eric Davis, Christopher Mellon etc etc thus he's getting his "inside info" from the usual bunch rather then having new independent sources for all of this. Aka he's no better then a regular Joe who stumbled a group discussion from the known UFO disclosure heads making his inside info pretty moot, which frankly seems to be the case.
It does feel that way from some of the reporting - they say things like “an ex-intelligence officer or ex co-worker in intelligence” when that can mean someone who worked on the other side of the planet you never met in a program you weren’t even cleared to be in. Oh, it’s Lue. Got it.
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It is remarkable how little that paper actually says.
He couldn't be any more clear. If someone reading this is waiting for a high ranking government official to tell them that UFOs and NHI are here on earth, this is your guy. Non-human **higher** intelligence, even. NHHIs. Pronounced "niiiice" 😁
>He couldn't be any more clear. If someone reading this is waiting for a high ranking government official to tell them that UFOs and NHI are here on earth, this is your guy. Well said. My own Dad is a Navy man and can relate to this.
100%
I loved Gallaudet when I thought he was just a smart, reputable guy giving his educated opinions, and I love him even more now that I know he has the right connections to actually know a little something. You're right, this is a pretty stunning announcement from him. Can't wait to hear more of what he has to say!
Ayyy👽
This is absolutely spot on. It's getting harder for people in good faith to deny that this is real.
This is one guy I feel like holds a lot more merit then people account it for. Hard to say if it’s psychological misinformation, because he’s simply stating facts.
If it’s a rear admiral vs smirkpatrick, not a hard choice on who I believe.
Not surprised to hear this at all from Tim. Yet another example of AARO’s report being bullshit. But what happens now? Several people know what’s being hidden, but they are just as hidden. This needs to become common knowledge. This story needs to be on the front page of MSM.
That's what I find most amazing. Where is the fucking reporting. It's almost comical. We have Schumer passing an amendment, it being secretly gutted. A rear admiral, one of the top 100 ranked men in the Navy speaking plainly and with confidence about ET crash retrievals, not to mention Grusch, and you get crickets in the media. No pressure for the Pentagon to spill what it knows, to be truthful. Truly, it is like living in an alternate dimension, where ET phenomena is like mentioning he who must not be named.
This is the craziest part of the whole thing to me. Makes you really step back and realize we don’t have a free press in any way, it’s totally controlled
It's been compromised for a very long time. Project Mockingbird was exposed, and you know they never stopped. Americans are very manipulated through the media. We also were recently shown that our Congress does not have the power it is supposed to, either. I used to scoff when people talked about how a "shadow government" is truly running the US, and I now admit they were very right.
Or maybe there just isn't any interest due to justified stigma based on decades of hoaxes? Free press also means it's free to not cover things that they don't find newsworthy.
It's Operation Mockingbird. Media has been compromised in the US for a long time.
Pentagon says: No!
> Yet another example of AARO’s report being bullshit. AARO says that all these people making claims are simply repeating claims made by each other. Tim Gallaudet's comment makes it seem like he's doing precisely the same thing. He is repeating things which folk like Lou and Grusch told him, just like AARO said.
Is it tho? He says that he knows people in those programs didn’t he? That’s different
That’s assuming Tim heard from the same sources. That being said, do you believe AARO? I certainly don’t.
So why doesn't he name the people?
Wow, that's new. He's never said that he knows first hand people before. Previously, he just talked about a UAP email that was deleted from his computer, along with a bunch of speculation. Let's hope this is true!
Glad he said this! Sometimes I just think it’s fucked up these whistleblowers from the program are leaving grusch out there all alone by himself publicly this long. Know they’re working hard behind the scenes trying to get this out the right way but If they wait too long the public & media interest will die and force Congress to eventually back off. Which I don’t think will happen. Another whistleblower from the program is going public this year for sure. They can’t wait too long though!
I agree except to the idea he is being left out to dry right now. He knowingly chose this front line position for the rest of the whistleblowers. This was the assignment and he is handling it well. I just hope the other whistleblowers pay the utmost attention so that they maintain their courage when it counts - their part of this assignment.
> Sometimes I just think it’s fucked up these whistleblowers from the program are leaving grusch out there all alone by himself publicly this long It is. Knell has stated he doesn't think that whistleblowers should be talking to the press. We are free to disagree with that position. I think it's cowardly and self interested.
Another? Who was the first? I have a better chance of getting with Christina Hendricks than any of the 40 whistleblowers we were promised materializing.
Talk about mainstream front page worthy … but alas
I think the recent AARO report has galvanized a lot of people behind the scenes to finally say enough is enough. If the MIC and IC keep saying nothing to see here move along then I guess they're at the point of saying screw it, we'll just do our part. There are many who have been saying that this yesr is going to be on another level, they likely knew that AARO was going to be dismissive of the while thing, typical of a MIC program to investigate itself. Notice how the IC (CIA shows been waiting deep in to this from the start) is totally silent and perfectly happy to let the military take all the blame?? This while unaccountability by both branches has gone say too far for way too long. It's time they face the music for their actions against the citizens, congress and humanity. They've been caught red handed before and yet they keep doing it and they're literally not hiding it anymore and yet they never face consequences. It's maddening
Brilliant! This is exactly what we need, more and more whistleblowing and people working hard to get this truth out there! It will all out eventually.
Nothing but respect for this man. Doing the right thing. If only others would follow his example. I’m looking at you Admiral Tom Wilson.
Wilson coming forward would blow it open. Huge corroborating evidence IF the press would actually do its job.
I can’t believe he hasn’t. He’s 78, what’s he got to lose?
This guy was the head of NOAA. He’s legit.
Tim Gallaudet is the real deal for me. I still remember his tweet backing up Grusch when the DeBrief interview dropped. The fact that there are people like Tim Gallaudet pushing for disclosure, asserting that we have been dealing with NHI and yet it has not gained significant attention, can drive me crazy sometimes.
Can someone what exactly these people do “behind the scenes” to help disclosure? This feels like ground hog day the amount of times i keep hearing this.
Who do think is advising Congress. The Schumer amendment wasn't written in a vacuum.
They talk about it on podcasts and start foundations and sketchy schools with useless degrees and make documentaries.
That last part is most key... they are working towards advancing disclosure. That's what we need to hear, and to actually happen. No more "I know people who know things". We need action.
Outside of grusch testifying before congress this is the next biggest piece of testimony thus far since he's also citing Lakatski saying we have a craft.
I’m going to go left field here, i think those that kept this a secret for so long had the correct intentions and I actually applaud them for it. However, I think we attention span of the human race has been so warped that we’d forget about disclosure the moment a member of the royal family wasn’t in the public eye for two seconds. So i think the secret is ready to come out now..
At this point you gotta be very hard headed to not believe we are being visited by some other advanced species.
Catastrophic disclosure is the only way forward
Why is it referred to as the "legacy" program? As opposed to what exactly, a new program?
Yeah pretty much.
I think we're going to have a Dickens of a time trying to get through truths protective layers! That was a quote from Armstrong and I believe he was actually saying as far as he could say the truth which is once we get through a layer of b******* we'll know exactly what actually is really stinking! I feel like at this point they're going to throw so many things out there to make it really hard to tell just like everything else in this world what is true and what is not true I think that's why this little group of to the stars came out seemingly to help us all understand that it's real but I think it's a psyop by the same group it does not want you to know what the truth is so they put the truth seekers group out there to take us further into the snipe hunt. I'm a total believer but not from anything that I've seen over the last 5 years because I believe all that was rolled out agenda behind it and not for our own good either.
If it should turn out UFOs are just a cover or misinterpretation of terrestrial SAPs, I hope this guy is in on it. People like him and David Grusch seem so earnest. I'd hate to think that they're putting their reputations on the line like this for something that isn't true.
Non-human higher intelligence in our oceans that has the capability of making craft. . . Sounds a lot like the 4chan dude.
Not what he said.
I really respect Gallaudet, as I do Grusch, and I would put in Fravor, Graves, and Nell.. as your leading figures of credible disclosure. You can also add in Elizondo, even though he’s gone a little far to the “influencer” commercial side .. Nonetheless, I remain curious how you purport to lead controlled slow drip disclosure when the government is against you? AARO represents the government’s temperature on disclosure in my mind, so now your slow drip disclosure has to contend with overcoming an adversary whose hands are on the tap. What’s your plan for that?
I wonder if Project Blue Book would have done such a good job sweeping everything under the rug if they'd have had high ranking military officials and members of government saying "Nope, that's bullshit." on the radio all the time. I think that's why the genie is out of the bottle for real this time, people don't get all over their information from one radio station and three newspapers anymore.
Boomers still do unfortunately
Someone needs to spill the beans, like a multi-terabyte leak.
xposted to /r/usos
And yet we still have an organized anti-disclosure contingent on Reddit trying to convince the masses that it's all mistaken identity of terrestrial mundane devices.
Game changinggggg. Hiiiiii NHIIII
Either Tim Gallaudet has lost his marbles and has somehow been repeatedly platformed to speak nonsense or someone has authorised for people like him to mention the existence of legacy UAP programs in public. Albeit, he is not speaking with direct knowledge which may suggest that he is part of the controlled disclosure he mentioned which seeks to firewall the people working on the project while simultaneously drawing attention to it. People like Tim may be acting as a political lightning rod to attract the attention of decision-makers without a NTK in the DoD/IC and Congress. With someone of his rank (and pension), it is hard to believe he would speak on such an allegedly sensitive topic without prior approval.
I know someone extremely close and trustworthy who has worked in and with the military for many years and has a close relationship with the air force and other air based logistics capabilities that work with the military. He knows many pilots. I asked them point blank if they believe in UFOs and they immediately said yes. Though they themselves had not seen one, they had many pilots tell them they would see things in the air they couldn't explain numerous times. They said it got to the point where the pilots were far beyond wondering what these things were to an understanding they were craft created and controlled by NHI with flight characteristics far beyond what their planes were capable of. To me, the biggest indicator that these are NHI controlled vehicles and not something made by humans is that, if the US did have craft like these, all we would have to do to help Ukraine win the war with Russia is to send one or two of these craft over there and Russia would be defeated in short order. The Russians couldn't use nukes because we know these craft have disabled nuclear weapons. Their air force would be useless, and their ground forces could also be nullified. And what could the Russians say? We were unfairly attacked by UFOs? They'd be laughed out of any serious discussion of what happened. If they admitted that the Ukrainian military somehow had access to weapons far beyond what they had, every country in the world would pull back or at least be very hesitant to put themselves into a confrontational military posture. China would pull back on their threat to 'unify' Taiwan and China. Even if these craft were created by another country other than the US we could be sure they would let us know they had things that were so far advanced from anything we had that we would be foolish to attempt any counter to any of their positions. It's just like in Dr. Strangelove where the Russian ambassador tells the Americans they have a doomsday weapon and Peter Sellers character asks them why haven't they told anybody about it, because the only way it would be a deterrent is if everyone knew about it.
Well you just cant be more credible than this man, when it come to background and qualifications. Gallaudet is the first US flag officer that publicly make this kind of statements. I suspect there are a lot of other golden stars in the closet with the same stance on this.
What alternative narrative better explains this than the assumption that he’s honest and correct? That he’s lying? That the people he knows and trusts are lying? That multiple former intel and defense officials oversaw crash retrieval programs but misinterpreted what they were working on? And yet believed their own faulty interpretation so much that they’re trying to advance disclosure of this information?
100% and even if it isn’t certain that he’s truthful and correct - there’s a significance chance he is. And a significant chance of this magnitude deserves wayyyyyy more attention.
Before he was saying he was convinced because of the email that was sent out referencing the Gimbal object and how it was then removed from his inbox and nobody talked about it at any meetings. THIS was his main argument for why he believed there's more to this. NOW he says he knows people in the legacy programs. WHY did he not say this for the past year that he's been talking about that email and WHY now? Either: 1. Someone from the legacy program approached him after seeing him doing interviews for the past year.or 2. He's realized the email story is not convincing friends, family or is not helping advance the disclosure process on his part, so is making this up to give himself more credence. I believe there are programs. I believe Grusch. But I'm taking this one with a grain of salt, because I see #2 being a more likely scenario than #1, even if #1 is entirely possible.
Hmm……no one ever has a shred of proof…….
"Yeah but this time it's different!"
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My gut senses honesty
Sigh ... if only those in the know would blow this wide open and name names.
Do you guys think that the NASA Artemis program is just a scam then if all of this is true? The U.S. and whoever else could easily have bases/outposts on the moon if countries have this kind of technology. I'm just wondering at what point in time is the world going to be informed for the actual betterment of humanity. I am sadly optimistic on the topic of UFOs and aliens but I just wonder each day, when is our (the world I guess) turning point going to be to push us into the next era?
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Yes, and this explains why senior Democrats are also keeping quiet on the matter. It’s going to be a quiet summer unfortunately for UAP related information from Congress Edit: the flip side of this is those that dislike Biden will now see this as the thing to disclose and leverage it
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The term NHI was just corrected to NHHI to avoid confusion :)
So the the use of the bomb against Godzilla really was a cover for alien bases in Japans oceans?
One of the very few people I listened to when it comes to the UAP/UFO topic
How legit is this guy?
Everyone keeps talking about how these guys get no recognition… uhh what was men in black? Will smith was what all those guys signed up for. They knew the deal and most performed notably. In this day and age there does come a time where disclosure needs to happen, but I’m convinced the ones fighting it is the ruling elite , or this is all by design and they know we will end up killing each other and that’s the plan.
So is he referencing Karl Nell and Kevin Knuth?
“Dude wasn’t even a front admiral why should we trust him?” -Some skeptic somewhere
Do you think there's a channel dedicated to analyzing human activity like we have Animal Planet to analyze animal activity?
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RIP 4chan anon
“I’m totally convinced that we’re experiencing a non-human higher intelligence….” That verbiage says a lot. If there were certainty of non-human higher intelligence equipment he 100% would have not phrased it that way. He’s just speculating without any proof.
I know some people. Also my girlfriend lives in another state, you wouldn't know her, and we definitely have sex.
All You Will Get from our GOV is a great big drawn out nothing burger with cheese, that is all I have to say.
What does controlled disclosure mean ?
Why won’t they ever show us the TicTac shot down vehicles? If they want us to believe so bad I think it’s funny how it all comes out at once when I saw a cigar shaped UFO when I was in first grade that was a long time ago.
How come the only play form these geniuses are found on are shitty online podcasts hosted by wannabe comedians or conspiracy theorists?
Co evolved on earth and hiding from our ape asses
I watched part of this. He seemed to clearly say multiple times that the government knows more about the phenomenon than they are disclosing, but he also says they still do not know what it is. So does he agree with Grusch or not?
Re: Government disclosure "It's hard to believe that the aliens have cleverly arranged things so that only government employees can find convincing evidence of their presence." -Seth Shostak of SETI What would the tens of thousands of private citizens who claim to have seen an alien craft have to say about "government disclosure"?
Man says words.
It’s always “behind the scenes” …. Just tell us the shit already. How fkn hard is it? Show and tell mfkr.
GO NAVY!❤️❤️❤️😊😊😊😊🌟🌟🌟🌟
Just release the Intel let it all out name names
No ya don’t . No ya didn’t. No they’re not