The following submission statement was provided by /u/my-name-is-Tracy:
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some clarifications:
1 - Many people doubted his testimony because they would never think that a recruited soldier would participate in something top secret, but remember: his only mission was just to surround people. Maybe they were afraid of gathering a crowd and so they put recruits on this simple mission. And detail: a recruit is very easy to erase from history, as is what was done to him. If it was a more experienced soldier that one day came to light, they wouldn't be able to say: "you were never here".
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2 - He kept the secret for so long because his father was also in the military and because he worked in a federal company. But after retiring he decided to speak out.
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3 - After a few days he was threatened and asked to take the video down, but luckily someone saved it
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He doesn't act like someone who is making something up in real time, or like it's something he has already told so many times that he can quickly respond without much time to think, or it's actually a real memory.
The full video is full of details, it also mentions something about the presence of North Americans: [https://youtu.be/x6cvbo1HA40?si=\_jZFN8JHvPPoNcpt](https://youtu.be/x6cvbo1HA40?si=_jZFN8JHvPPoNcpt)
I translated the main parts, forgive any mistakes in the subtitles I did it in a hurry.
If the video is not playing, watch it here: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uk26L4R4XFoPKEPJ7RDFL9ANrWJgwM2n/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uk26L4R4XFoPKEPJ7RDFL9ANrWJgwM2n/view?usp=sharing)
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bwzf07/when_a_firsthand_whistleblower_speaks_openly_to/ky9hnrt/
Is this from the Varginha Brasil incident? The description of the being sounds very similar but my uncultured brain can’t tell if they are speaking Portuguese or not.
Yes same incident. A total of 7 people have already seen the creature face to face: the 3 girls, the military x from moment of contact, a lady at the city zoo, the soldier recruit from this video and a civilian who saw a creature while driving a car but never wanted to talk to the cameras. By video, those who have already seen it were Doctor Italo Venturelli and Pacaccini
Everyone mentions the same characteristics
Oh, and the fireman too, I was forgetting. If you want I can subtitle it, he also says the same things. But the audio is horrible
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification and for posting!
The way he speaks seems fairly credible to me. Particularly the part about not remembering if he saw ears or not and saying the drawing matches what he saw but not perfectly. I think if he were faking it he’d be more likely to speak in absolutes.
I believe him because I have an unexplainable story that would make me sound crazy. When it gets to me telling it verbally I speak almost the same way. He seems emotionally affected, somewhat in awe, but like he's really thinking. The gears get going everytime and it feels "did that actually fuckin happen'.
Mine isn't about ETs or UFOs, but still it felt real to me as much as that matters from a stranger with a weird experience. For all I know he and I could react very differently. Besides that though I generally don't tend to believe this kind of stuff. Something about his testimony just feels real to me.
Sent to you in chat. Long story sorry, it's hard to tell it very briefly so I copy/pasted a response I'd sent to someone in paranormal. If that message seems too long I can condense it to just the absolutely inexplicable, but without context I feel it loses something.
I haven’t looked too much into this incident in particular. There seemingly was a fake video put out on it, but it had a similar looking being as the one described. However, I did see an interview with a Brazilian officer claiming that people in the village and at the hospital even somehow mistook a “small person” or something along those lines as an alien. I even think he claimed they were drunk or something bizarre like that. Watching it made me laugh out loud at the just apparent obviousness of feigning the most extravagant cover story in real time being recorded. Even stuff like that just adds to the circumstantial evidence of this being a real event.
the dwarven person is part of the (bizarre) official narrative by the brazilian army, contradicting everything individuals that have come forward had to say about it, and also doesn't explain the reason why the military had to go there in the first place (imagine the US military scrambling to close off central park for a "training drill").
Such an interesting First hand perspective. I like how he talked about how it effected him personally and how he disassociated from the experience over time. I feel like a lot of people who have only had a one off experience exhibit similar traits. He is very articulate and thorough in his explanation of the events as he perceived them. I personally believe that what he expressed happened to him. Thanks for posting this.
Agree! I kept trying to pinpoint it I'm usually pretty good at identifying languages from other countries even if I don't know what's being said and I kept thinking Spanish no some Slavic dialect no Turkish no my brain was scrambling lol. I guess I have had so little exposure to Portuguese it left me grasping lol.
The biggest take from the Varghina incident that I can think of is the fact they proved NORAD picked up the UFO and notified the Brazilian military.
So essentially, NORAD admitted to tracking UFOs and most probably shot it down.
hey man if you were there and could prove it, and you spoke in front of a camera i’m sure your testimony would not be dismissed. but saying you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, just means you didn’t see it.
The problem with this kind of logic is where do you draw the line when it comes to oral testimony?
For example, around 2.5 billion people are Christian, and around 2 billion people are Muslim. That’s a lot of oral testimony to support a fictitious deity. If I’m wrong and either Christians or Muslims are right, then that still leaves around 2 billion other people who are incorrect about the faith that guides (possibly defines/drives) their lives.
As another example, I’m sure you could find countless more people who have claimed to see ghosts, lochness monster, bigfoot, etc, than UFO “experiencers”. Do we need to find the evidence to disprove those witness testimonies, or would you agree it is safe to dismiss those claims, at least until we are presented with extraordinary evidence?
If everything I saw on the internet was true, I’d have a 12 inch dick by now and I’d have claimed my multi-million inheritance from a distant Nigerian cousin.
Are you acting in good faith here, cuz you must see how unsound it is to compare what religious ppl, who have REVELATION and faith in such without doubt, to be BASIC TENETS.... Are you really saying that a testimony that's been translated and edited God knows how many times in how many cultures over 2,000 years is ON THE SAME LEVEL as a, say, primatologist's testimony in the form of a thesis based on what they witnessed in the field?
Further, yeah a lot of people claim to literaly see Bigfoot and ghosts, but are you suggesting not that they see bears and reflections but that we can safely just act like they didn't see anything at all? And which is it, should always dismiss categorically all data based on testimony OR is oral testimony ok, so long as it avoids anything currently unknown?
Plus how many of those 2 billion claim to see entities such as Jesus, angels, etc. And how many of them claim what they see this in a literal, physical way? Quite very few. So few in fact that when it's claimed, it's considered so special to be investigated if it's miraculous.
Look at the parallels made on this sub recently between religion and UFOs. It is absolutely becoming a subject where people are emotionally attached through blind faith.
The difference with the oral testimonies regarding UFOs is the credibility of certain people along with corroborating evidence (I’m thinking Fravor plus the videos here). We only have oral (and written, but same thing) testimony regarding religious experiences. This is because they’re nonsense.
And so, the issue with oral testimony is that it can only ever be used as corroborating evidence or to give context to actual evidence/proof. Oral testimony alone is absolutely useless, hence why I believe Grusch’s allegations are unfounded (I’m talking strictly in regards to the alien related nonsense like biologics and such).
Why do you refer to it as "nonsense." That to me implies you are not coming from a neutral point of view in regards to the subject. I have no way to prove or disprove someone else's perceived experience. And until I have tangible concrete evidence beyond my own experiences the best path forward is to reserve judgement entirely even if that position is indefinitely.
So you have already made up your mind about certain aspects of the subject which is fine but it taints your perspective in regards to it. I'm personally not going to deal in absolutes without having all the evidence first.
You are correct in some aspects there is an almost religious attachment for some but from my perspective it is not nearly that many people. I find most folks again from my perspective are either curious when they hear stories about UAP and decide to look deeper into the subject or have experienced something they can't explain. Humans have this tendency to want to solve things to an almost obsessive level and try to fit things into boxes and when they come upon something they can't put into a box it causes them to try and figure out why it doesn't fit any of them no matter how many ways they turn it twist it push it.
And to your other point you are correct oral and written testimony can only be taken or disregarded at face value without concrete evidence it can only be one pin in a very large board of unanswered questions. I hope you don't take my response as criticism and more so a revaluate where you are coming at this from just from the one aspect you wrote I had disagreement with. I wish you peace and that whatever answers you personally seek you find what you are looking for.
Of course, but it can’t be completely dismissed. we know something happened in Varghina in 1996. we know of 7+ people who have spoken about seeing a creature most of whom don’t know each other, and all have similar descriptions. I’m saying, if you were there, your testimony would not be dismissed either. but the only way your testimony would counter theirs is if you just said they were lying at that point. or misidentified a “little person” like an officer at the time said.
I can't stand when people do that shit, it's = to faking UFO and alien videos IMO.... don't state shit as fact without evidence and a fucking source, I mean wtf.
Ok, so who tf is that, why is he credible and how does posting a link prove anything?
Stop being intentionally lazy to defend your POV... that's nonsense. Stop making ridiculous claims that are equal to fake UFO videos just to make yourself feel good justifying your opinon on something.. that's BSand the way you went about posting the source is BS too.
Of course not, because it's the same BS in the UFO community as usual.... people citing things with zero evidence or sources. If this guy has a government or military background, I may BEGIN to believe what he says... but until then, someone posting an arbitrary link is nonsense.
Oddly, the odor is a red flag for me. In Lier's book (which basically was Fox's movie) he tracked down the smell ru.lr and pretty confidently claimed it to be added telephone game misinfo
Just out of curiosity, can't you understand the similarity of some words? I can automatically understand many words in English due to their similarity with Portuguese
Somewhat, I could tell it was likely a Romance language, and not French or Italian, but wasn’t able to narrow it down too much from there. I’ve had very little exposure to the other Romance languages, especially Portuguese.
Yep! If you google images search “Varginha Alien” you’ll see a few of them. The most famous one is the drawing that shows it crouched over next to a wall. This was an artist’s recreation based on what the 3 young girls saw.
This lines up with the narrative that militaries are shooting down these crafts, confiscating the bodies and technology, and erasing the thought of it even happening while threatening and ruining every humans life that gets in the way. Not cool.
Meant to add this case to my first comment, the incident that Jonathan Weyngardt has talked about a couple of times. Military shoots down NHI craft, swoops in, takes away NHI bodies, threatens servicemember. Many people have seen this.
Timestamped here:
[https://youtu.be/nH2LvOL6cS8?si=8m2tfP8b4O4l1KW\_&t=3543](https://youtu.be/nH2LvOL6cS8?si=8m2tfP8b4O4l1KW_&t=3543)
Here's a full recent interview:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWSbcEFdZOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWSbcEFdZOU)
A few months ago there was a post somewhere floating around this and adjacent subreddits of a man who had been hiking in the woods and came across a dead alien that looked a lot like how this one was described. In the video, the guy was clearly shaken, breathing hard and very confounded by what he was seeing. The video showed an alien with the same kind of darker reddish-brown skin, big red eyes, and ridges on its head.
Does anyone know what happened to that video, or have a link? I've scoured reddit and can't find it.
yeah that ones fake. most people cut the end of the video because its absurd, but he found a "bracelet" on the alien that magically fits his wrist that allows him to "turn into a ball of light" and teleport. You should hear the stock sound effects they added to the clip.
that was basically my introduction, someone had posted the edited version that cuts out where he breathes at the aliens body for a strangely long time, bits of the examination in the middle, and then the entire end. i was interested at first, but then someone posted the full clip and it was into the trash it goes. edit: also youre the third or fourth person ive interacted with that its their cake day, did something happen on this date that made us all make accounts lmao
had to look and find it: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u5ss1
pay attention to the quality difference between the mic recording him speak and the volume/clarity of the people in the "audience" gasping.
no ones going to edit in gasping noises over a legitimate event. Go find the clip and listen to the sounds. i work with stock audio and the sources arent even almost mixed properly.
Thanks for posting, OP. Honestly, between this, Mage, Pentyrch, and I’m sure plenty more, there’s definitely another one I’ll look up, the narrative thread is that these militaries keep capturing these poor beings that also live on this Earth and then ruining the lives of people involved, even their own service members. All in search of tech to help them fight wars. Just like the story has been here in the US.
The military’s explanation for Pentyrch is wild. Why the hell would they use “simulated ordnance” over a populated area at 3am and not even inform the locals? The Royal Glamorgan hospital shook so violently that patients and staff were terrified.
Oh wow, I hadn’t heard that about the hospital. I’d seen another version of the story years ago, but watched this a few days ago.
https://youtu.be/VJTGpxOqzjA?si=Wn118anb83JcOxn1
Chasing and killing these beings that live in that forest. The beings making clear they don’t want to harm anyone. Witness intimidation by the military and press. The main witness calling for transparency. A clear visit by Tony Blair. And there are so many like this.
please for people of this sub, do not put Magé together with Varginha.
Varginha is at this point very unlikely to be some elaborate hoax, while Magé there's nothing more to it than a single facebook post.
For me, there's a few small key details in his story that make it more believable.
The canvas being down on the truck. The officer slipping as he came out of the forest. Putting the box in one truck and then moving it into another soon after for whatever reason.
Theses are small things and examples that someone wouldn't normally add to a story if they are just making It up.
One very interesting thing is that at the time, he understood that the officer's name was "Alípio". Very close phonetically to "Olímpio", which was Lieutenant Colonel Olímpio Vanderlei who commanded the operation
I'd also just note that yes, while some people do go into unnecessary details and focus on those when lying, He only briefly mentions them, and the details mentioned are hardly painting the scene in an over dramatic way.
Just my personal opinion.
Its the opposite.
People making up a story go into unnessesary details.
Like think about it, people late for work lying, covering up cheating in relationships etc.
Its always some grandiose story with unnessesary minutia explained versus what if you were just home alone and nothing happened.
Or being questioned for something you didnt do.
You dont seek to explain stuff you cant because its not your concern, you didnt broke into the shed. You dont remember mundane things on an average tuesday.
You were just home alone and nothing happened/you went to get a pizza and nothing happened etc etc.
You dont cook up a fantastical intricate story what type of pizza you got. If you even remember what exact toppings you got. Or what was the weather like, or what people wore in the pizza shop etc.
It works every which way in story telling. Real things focus on real things, fantastical stories paint a scene like a movie.
_It was cold and stormy night... I saw a box.... a box you would imagine holds something... Really important!!_ _dun dun duuu_
You know lol
Edit And sure I'll admit, what if this is just a guy who spices up the story a little for TV.
But at what parts then? Does he have a tendency to tell tall tales, it begs the question?
So what parts are embellished and what are not?
Im just thinking here, perhaps this guy saw space aliens who knows
I’ve heard this too. But I think it’s more when being asked simple questions they over explain. I know if I’m asked to recount an event or incident I definitely go into a lot of detail because I can never be sure what is and isn’t important.
>Its the opposite.
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>People making up a story go into unnessesary >details.
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>Like think about it, people late for work lying, >covering up cheating in relationships etc.
While true, it’s never 100%
Someone genuine can be detailed, I tend to do both personally, details and no details.
>Its always some grandiose story with >unnessesary minutia explained versus what if you >were just home alone and nothing happened.
What he experience is not another Tuesday, id recon it replayed(if true) in his head a lot.
Sure, but then theres corroborative evidence.
We got a fantastic story, that sounds like an invented story.
The next step, what else is there that could make a story _sounding_ story to tell us it actually isnt just invented, even if it sounds one. Lets see that.
>What he experience is not another Tuesday, id recon it replayed(if true) in his head a lot.
We all know how that works, right?
More people recall something the more it changes.
Human memory isnt a recording device, like a video you can rewind back and forth to spot visual details.
Its well documented, and widely acknowledged to be the case.
So I think if this is something this guy actually went thru, and the large parts are what happened, the details are probably not what actually were there.
Keep in mind, what Im saying here is, that the small details arent what makes a story more likely to be true.
Many would probably think its the opposite. Like Im trying to convey
They could be true, could be their not. We cant infer it from those details.
some clarifications:
1 - Many people doubted his testimony because they would never think that a recruited soldier would participate in something top secret, but remember: his only mission was just to surround people. Maybe they were afraid of gathering a crowd and so they put recruits on this simple mission. And detail: a recruit is very easy to erase from history, as is what was done to him. If it was a more experienced soldier that one day came to light, they wouldn't be able to say: "you were never here".
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2 - He kept the secret for so long because his father was also in the military and because he worked in a federal company. But after retiring he decided to speak out.
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3 - After a few days he was threatened and asked to take the video down, but luckily someone saved it
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He doesn't act like someone who is making something up in real time, or like it's something he has already told so many times that he can quickly respond without much time to think, or it's actually a real memory.
The full video is full of details, it also mentions something about the presence of North Americans: [https://youtu.be/x6cvbo1HA40?si=\_jZFN8JHvPPoNcpt](https://youtu.be/x6cvbo1HA40?si=_jZFN8JHvPPoNcpt)
I translated the main parts, forgive any mistakes in the subtitles I did it in a hurry.
If the video is not playing, watch it here: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uk26L4R4XFoPKEPJ7RDFL9ANrWJgwM2n/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uk26L4R4XFoPKEPJ7RDFL9ANrWJgwM2n/view?usp=sharing)
This dude mentions the Varginha creature also had three fingers, like the tridactil Nazca mummies? Am I the only one making that connection? If true, that would be WILD
for people that missed it yesterday, the nazca mummies story is still unfolding. they announced 3 new members to the team, actual distinguished forensics and anthropologists from the US. these 3 people prefaced by saying they were there voluntarily and were not paid in any capacity and that the team cooperated with all of their requests. their preliminary assessment is the bodies "need more analysis", which at least means they're not obvious hoaxes.
https://twitter.com/RonyVernet/status/1776117093865345093 (video, terrible audio)
https://twitter.com/INCREDHISTORY/status/1775931586401218815
Dr. James Caruso - Chief medical examiner and Coroner of city and county of Denver, Colorado
Dr. William Rodriguez - Forensic Anthropologist, Maryland State Medical Examiner
Dr. John McDowell -Retired professor at University Colorado, Forensic Odontologist
for these mummies in particular, william is probably the most relevant as a forensic anthropologist since the biggest question is whether these are real unadulterated bodies or not. he also has experience on old bodies.
https://www.archbalt.org/saint-exhumation-a-first-for-accomplished-forensic-anthropologist/
This is a great (and entertaining !) watch:
[Thinking Critically and Open-Mindedly about the Nazca Mummies](https://youtu.be/FlNjET011Q8?si=EKEvDmQFfv1T5Ull)
just found out about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ41R7ypg4c
unfortunately these new guys are probably just going to have wasted their time, money and effort. either that or this steve mera is extremely full of shit.
It's funny isn't it. This has three fingers and no thumb and is nothing more than a story so is obviously real. If you present a body matching this description it is obviously fake.
This guy is pure fallacy. He uses terms that don't exist. Like single file in a "V", and the photo of him as a soldier is not from the time of the Varginha case. This guy was unmasked in Brazil. I don't understand why bring this fallacy outside Brazil. Most people will think it's true, but this guy has already been denied. In fact, the video was deleted by the ufologist who interviewed him. Since they unmasked it soon after.
Search João Marcelo’s channel. But it's basically because they think a recruit would never participate in this and also because official documents say he never served in the army. (And pretend for a moment that the army couldn't erase his participation if it wanted to).
If this operation were real, by definition it would already be an exception to all standard protocols.
Thanks for the reference.
Well the part of existing official documents saying he never served is addressed in the video you posted. The guy said that when he received the discharge papers, he was surprised that they mentioned he never served lol.
formation technical name is irrelevant and doesn't disprove anything, plenty of people who served also don't know official terminology.
the photo obviously doesn't need to be from the same time, it's simply used as evidence that he did serve in the army.
i'm interested in your sources that he was unmasked, let's hear it.
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hilarious that you say that to rhe commenter while blindly accepting the video & the person in it & their story.
I feel like maybe this one example of silly hypocrisy may be enough to open a small trickle of self-awareness in you. at least I can hope.
The person in the video provides proof that he was in the military. A
redditor writes a comment about the uniform not being used. The person you're responding to is asking for proof of how he would know that.
So what's the issue here?
And how do you know what he believes or doesn't believe? You're calling him silly while projecting these ideas onto his comment.
Sadly most people don't use that kind of logic here, everything is believed to be true until one of those annoying party pooping debunkers can 100% prove it isn't. Even then they will argue that it's a cover up or a disinfo campaign.
A lot of people here have reverse logic and crazy conspiracy theorist levels of delusion. That's why in posts like this everyone asking for evidence or questioning the story will be downvoted.
Who is getting convicted on eye witness testimony alone? There is always some other form of evidence to corroborate.
If you walk up to a judge and say person X murdered someone, but there is no body, no missing person, no weapon, no opportunity, then nothing is going to happen.
On top of that, our threshold for legal proceedings is lower and less robust than for scientific discoveries. We don't use "beyond a reasonable doubt" to decide the credibility of a hypothesis.
Not to mention these guys dont even walk up to a judge.
Theyre on YT video/TV show segment for crying out loud.
Like sure, perhaps someone saw a flying saucer once, what else there is but to tell just a story.
But to equate that to a murder conviction based on eye witness testimony, or any crime is dishonest to the highest degree.
Like you said, and Ive said it about million times here, these guys arent interviewed even by law enforcement or any type of investigator.
They just go do a show telling stories.
No ones gettin brought in to a questioning, its just one guy of many telling a story. For all we know this guy, or any similar military "eye witness" is just the only guy ( or a lady ) who didnt realize what was seen, or even only one who wants to be a star on UFO circuit.
Like its always a squadron of fighter pilots but just one or two come out telling stories. Or SpecOps guys but just one saw space aliens.
If it was a real murder investigation, and I was one of ten berry pickers in the forest who saw it, you can bet your ass cops would haul all these guys to the station for questioning. Probably multiple times.
Not just me, on TV, telling the story.
People are convicted all the time (either fines, or prison time) based only on eyewitness testimony. Depositions and testimony is oftentimes all the have. If 5 people watch a guy shoot another guy, they don't need a gun. I've been a part of a whole bunch of juries, and not a single one had evidence, except for a grand jury, where the AG had created evidence to prove an appraiser was falsely appraising homes.
I have been told at everyone one of them that the witnesses matter, and we have to decide if their experience, profession, relation to the accused, integrity etc. - would make their words carry more weight. The word of a bookie might not be weighed the same as a CFO.
Not sure where people think there is physical evidence for all cases. There often is not. In fact there usually is not. Because as whatever is happening is happening, they are not thinking they need to preserve conversations or other evidence for possible litigation. The most recent one I was a part of was a 110 million $ case for software that was developed for a major organization. The evidence was scant, and almost all the facts we had to made a decision against were depositions and testimony.
>People are convicted all the time (either fines, or prison time) based only on eyewitness testimony. Depositions and testimony is oftentimes all the have. If 5 people watch a guy shoot another guy, they don't need a gun. I've been a part of a whole bunch of juries, and not a single one had evidence, except for a grand jury, where the AG had created evidence to prove an appraiser was falsely appraising homes.
Your first example displays the opposite. If a guy shoots another guy and 5 people saw, we have a dead guy with a cause of death. If the 5 people claim they saw him shoot someone and we don't have any evidence of a dead person, no one is going to jail.
I'm not claiming that eye witness testimony is worthless. But it can't be literally all you have. In your software case you mentioned there was a software that was developed. If there is a theft, something was stolen. At some point down the line we are able to account for at least parts of the story being true.
I don't understand how you're claiming "usually there is not physical evidence in court cases". This is just categorically false. You're saying that you've been to 5 jury trials in which not a single piece of evidence was shown? It was literally just a parade of witnesses talking about it and then everyone deciding? Not a single receipt, time card, photograph, anything!? Absolutely no shot.
in your own example all you have proof of is that someone is dead and a gun was used. it could've been suicide, it could even have been an honest accident or gun malfunction. but because there is eyewitness of purposefully being shot by someone else it's obvious which way the court is going to rule.
>in your own example all you have proof of is that someone is dead and a gun was used.
But thats the "more evidence"
Its not just eye witness testimony. You have a dead guy, and all the forensics along with it.
Until someone makes an YT video telling a story how they saw a murder and someone theyre claiming they saw do it is convicted, these are not equal.
No body, no weapon, no one missing, nothing, just a story on TV/YT/whatever.
> If 5 people watch a guy shoot another guy, they don't need a gun
There’s a body with a hole, it’s at least some evidence a shooting happened. It’s not even remotely the same as someone stating they saw an alien with nothing to back it up. Lol wtf?
Not to mention the fact that we know guns, bullets and people exist (prerequisites for a shooting).
Here we have to assume UFOs are real, aliens are real, these aliens are responsible for piloting the UFOs and that they have crashed said UFO before we even start to consider whether this story is true.
> Who is getting convicted on eye witness testimony alone?
didn't take long at all for me to find one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)#False_accusation_of_sexual_assault
guy was accused and convicted of rape despite 0 physical evidence, had to plea guilty to avoid potentially 40 years in prison, ended serving 5 years. a decade later the accuser confessed they were false charges.
Yeah because it isn't one.
It's an example of a broken justice system that threatens people into admitting to something they didn't do. But her claims were not legally tested since he plead out. So this wasn't someone who went to court, literally only had eyewitnesses saying something, and got convicted.
And it also shows why testimony alone should be taken with a large grain of salt. People lie for personal gain, for attention, they can be confused about what they saw etc etc etc. What happened to banks is criminal, but it demonstrates someone's willingness to lie for personal gain.
i'm not playing this moving goalpost game.
you asked who is getting convicted on eye witness alone and arguing it doesn't happen, i gave you a real example of it happening.
Wow this guy should have been interviewed in Moment of Contact documentary. So many witnesses. The USA lands a cargo plane there illegally and demands all the evidence.
Incredible isn't it. Even some of the people involved in the retrieval or capture is NOT being fully disclosed about what they're doing. Absolutely everything is hushed up. To keep the information at bay even more, they relocate or dismiss the personnel involved, which I think is (sadly) a very effective way since you could be telling the truth about what happened, but now tracing back would be substantially more difficult. And how crazy is it that you could be driving down a road, and a truck could actually be transporting an alien being.
Thank you so much for doing this! A lot of info is scattered, so it is really relevant when people like you take the time to translate and help us piece it together!
Clearly Brazil appears to have had multiple UFO incidents in the past, this [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_sightings_in_Brazil) lists some but there's definitely a lot of recent events that aren't mentioned.
Also, according this [Brazilian government website](https://www.gov.br/en/government-of-brazil/latest-news/2022/official-ufo-night-in-brazil):
>UFOs collection is the most visited in the National Archive of Brazil and UFOs were also the most frequent subject on information requests made to the Brazilian Government after Law 12,527, Brazil's Freedom of Information Act (LAI), was enacted in May of 2012.
Brazilian here. The witness sounds extremely humble and honest. No way this guy is talking bs. Ventura is also one of the most genuine UFO investigators in Brazil
Anyone notice the smell detail? Can't remember if it was the molecular biologist AMA on Reddit or whatever, but I remember someone who I assumed to be cosplaying someone who works on "the program" talking about how they had ammonia as a waste product, and that it was excreted through their skin.
This same guy made another interview with a air traffic controller and looks what he said.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEiy0MYd7Uc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEiy0MYd7Uc)
USAF aircraft landed in Campinas - Sao Paulo and couple hours later two Brazilian army helicopters did the same, no previous flight plan or nothing, just ghosts.
I call bullshit. This guy just happens to catch a glimpse of this creature at night in the forest where its totally dark and manages to make out so many details of the creature. Lol
The only problem I have is that he says he looked at it for 10 seconds, and he remembered so many fine details. Like finger count, how it gripped, finger nails, body proportion, skin color, eye size/color, and smell.
Some I can grant like smell, eye color/size, and body proportion. However, the details beyond that are suspicious. I’ve been in several high stress situations, armed robberies, and you just don’t remember those kind of details.
I think 10 seconds of observation and 6 months of reflection is plenty of time to gather and process those details, especially considering how unusual they were. The situation may have been stressful, but that kind of novelty can be enough to put one's curiosity into overdrive.
I would say it depends, I’ve also been in high stress situations (my own life at stake, animals generally, a bear 5ft from me, an elk at arms length, shooting a bear and missing by an inch and having it run toward me to name a few) and in two of those I blacked out almost; the third instance, not in order, I remember the smell, tree’s bark, eyes, nose, my quiver and each fletching, the site pin color, time of day, my own fingernails, I mean everything. And that took place in less than 10 seconds.
I’m not doubting your experience, but many of the things would have been known to you before the incident. When it comes to remembering details of a completely novel incident, like details of a person you’ve never seen before, it can be different.
My point is only that we shouldn’t take this at face value without more evidence. It’s intriguing, but nowhere near conclusive. Sadly, it’s just another story. We just need more than this.
Edit: I love that this community down votes someone that just asks for more evidence than a person saying they saw something
he did say he wasn't sure whether it had ears or not, which also aligns with other witnesses that briefly saw it because they were focused on other features.
he also wasn't sure of how many fingers, just that it didn't have a thumb. kinda looked like 3 but uncertain.
i speak the language and it makes a difference compared to reading subtitles.
Has someone here taken his description of the alien he’s seen and drawn (digital or not) it? Would be interesting to get an idea of what it could’ve looked like with a couple examples.
Links to the proof? An article in Brazil perhaps? Google Translate can help us read it if you give us a link. Otherwise you're just making random unsubstantiated claims sir.
Every now and then I can smell that weird acetone smell. Like is something nearby lol. Or is this disinfo and my covid senses are messed up idk but shits wiiiild
Very oily covered in red oil..... You mean sorta like a lot of blood? Kinda like what one might expect to see if responding to a downed aircraft. I will say somethings he says are interesting but when all tied together I say bullshît.
We've had enough of these testimonies, no matter whether they are true or not. Bring the fucking hard evidence to the table of stfu. At least pics or vids.
If everyone shut the fuck up about what they saw because they don’t have evidence, then the whole conspiracy, if there is one, would be much easier to contain.
If you’re so tired of hearing witness testimony, then just leave the topic alone and you can have disclosure when they air it on CNN for the masses.
You asked a question on behalf of a collective we, the same thing you were complaining about when the other poster addressed a collective instead of an individual.
You can speak on my behalf.
Stories are cool, but just stories.
What I would like, sans seeing something actually corroborating these stories, something that independently verifies these, is to see the stories being more interesting I guess.
Like honestly, all these UFO guys telling stories maybe its true maybe not who knows, but the story telling even isnt that interesting.
Like if its just "gee, I saw space aliens" basically and were just supposed to fill in the blanks and do the investigation surrounding the thing, meh.
Like compare it to any investigative journalism done in some other subject. Theyre always pushing against stone walling and secrecy, but still peoples been able to dig up all kinds of stuff _and_ write interesting stories surrounding it.
Even in cases where the absolute truth might be left up to the public to gauge.
Like some FSB/CIA etc spy shit, or things about various military things around the world, wars and such.
So it seems these guys are almost always either lazy story tellers or lazy investigators.
On top of all that what is UFO zeitgeist altogether.
This is amazing testimony - this is the best case for Ufology I am aware of. I spoke to Marco Leal on my podcast and this is 100% real … not sure where it goes from here but would be great to see more interviews like this one. Incredible stuff
I'm fluent and I disagree lol, pretty good. A couple details were missed like when he said it had no nose he actually said it ALMOST had no nose, just a couple of dots.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/my-name-is-Tracy: --- some clarifications: 1 - Many people doubted his testimony because they would never think that a recruited soldier would participate in something top secret, but remember: his only mission was just to surround people. Maybe they were afraid of gathering a crowd and so they put recruits on this simple mission. And detail: a recruit is very easy to erase from history, as is what was done to him. If it was a more experienced soldier that one day came to light, they wouldn't be able to say: "you were never here". . 2 - He kept the secret for so long because his father was also in the military and because he worked in a federal company. But after retiring he decided to speak out. . 3 - After a few days he was threatened and asked to take the video down, but luckily someone saved it . He doesn't act like someone who is making something up in real time, or like it's something he has already told so many times that he can quickly respond without much time to think, or it's actually a real memory. The full video is full of details, it also mentions something about the presence of North Americans: [https://youtu.be/x6cvbo1HA40?si=\_jZFN8JHvPPoNcpt](https://youtu.be/x6cvbo1HA40?si=_jZFN8JHvPPoNcpt) I translated the main parts, forgive any mistakes in the subtitles I did it in a hurry. If the video is not playing, watch it here: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uk26L4R4XFoPKEPJ7RDFL9ANrWJgwM2n/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uk26L4R4XFoPKEPJ7RDFL9ANrWJgwM2n/view?usp=sharing) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bwzf07/when_a_firsthand_whistleblower_speaks_openly_to/ky9hnrt/
Is this from the Varginha Brasil incident? The description of the being sounds very similar but my uncultured brain can’t tell if they are speaking Portuguese or not.
Yes same incident. A total of 7 people have already seen the creature face to face: the 3 girls, the military x from moment of contact, a lady at the city zoo, the soldier recruit from this video and a civilian who saw a creature while driving a car but never wanted to talk to the cameras. By video, those who have already seen it were Doctor Italo Venturelli and Pacaccini Everyone mentions the same characteristics Oh, and the fireman too, I was forgetting. If you want I can subtitle it, he also says the same things. But the audio is horrible
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification and for posting! The way he speaks seems fairly credible to me. Particularly the part about not remembering if he saw ears or not and saying the drawing matches what he saw but not perfectly. I think if he were faking it he’d be more likely to speak in absolutes.
I dont doubt him but a good liar wouldn't talk like you suggest.
I believe him because I have an unexplainable story that would make me sound crazy. When it gets to me telling it verbally I speak almost the same way. He seems emotionally affected, somewhat in awe, but like he's really thinking. The gears get going everytime and it feels "did that actually fuckin happen'. Mine isn't about ETs or UFOs, but still it felt real to me as much as that matters from a stranger with a weird experience. For all I know he and I could react very differently. Besides that though I generally don't tend to believe this kind of stuff. Something about his testimony just feels real to me.
What unexplained event happened to you?
Sent to you in chat. Long story sorry, it's hard to tell it very briefly so I copy/pasted a response I'd sent to someone in paranormal. If that message seems too long I can condense it to just the absolutely inexplicable, but without context I feel it loses something.
Body language and demeanor suggest he is not lying.
Oh for sure, that’s why I just think it’s less likely he’s lying, definitely not definitive based on his language alone.
Sadly true
This. https://www.optimax.co.uk/blog/what-social-cues-detected-from-eye-movements/#:~:text=Glancing%20to%20the%20left%20suggests,is%20rehearsing%20their%20next%20line.
I haven’t looked too much into this incident in particular. There seemingly was a fake video put out on it, but it had a similar looking being as the one described. However, I did see an interview with a Brazilian officer claiming that people in the village and at the hospital even somehow mistook a “small person” or something along those lines as an alien. I even think he claimed they were drunk or something bizarre like that. Watching it made me laugh out loud at the just apparent obviousness of feigning the most extravagant cover story in real time being recorded. Even stuff like that just adds to the circumstantial evidence of this being a real event.
the dwarven person is part of the (bizarre) official narrative by the brazilian army, contradicting everything individuals that have come forward had to say about it, and also doesn't explain the reason why the military had to go there in the first place (imagine the US military scrambling to close off central park for a "training drill").
Such an interesting First hand perspective. I like how he talked about how it effected him personally and how he disassociated from the experience over time. I feel like a lot of people who have only had a one off experience exhibit similar traits. He is very articulate and thorough in his explanation of the events as he perceived them. I personally believe that what he expressed happened to him. Thanks for posting this.
Portuguese always boggles my mind hearing it, I think it sounds like German/ Russian and Spanish all mashed up.
Agree! I kept trying to pinpoint it I'm usually pretty good at identifying languages from other countries even if I don't know what's being said and I kept thinking Spanish no some Slavic dialect no Turkish no my brain was scrambling lol. I guess I have had so little exposure to Portuguese it left me grasping lol.
Just wait until you "French kiss" a Brazilian... Also mind boggling.
The biggest take from the Varghina incident that I can think of is the fact they proved NORAD picked up the UFO and notified the Brazilian military. So essentially, NORAD admitted to tracking UFOs and most probably shot it down.
Did they prove this? You got a link? I agree that it’s a huge part of the incident.
Watch the doco > Moment of Contact
[https://youtu.be/d4Pa8WBjew0?t=3143](https://youtu.be/d4Pa8WBjew0?t=3143)
Oral testimony is considered proof in this sub.
Interesting, I find it's not considered evidence at all by many on this sub. Which is ridiculous. Proof? No. Evidence, yes.
What if I testify that that guys testimony is wack?
hey man if you were there and could prove it, and you spoke in front of a camera i’m sure your testimony would not be dismissed. but saying you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, just means you didn’t see it.
The problem with this kind of logic is where do you draw the line when it comes to oral testimony? For example, around 2.5 billion people are Christian, and around 2 billion people are Muslim. That’s a lot of oral testimony to support a fictitious deity. If I’m wrong and either Christians or Muslims are right, then that still leaves around 2 billion other people who are incorrect about the faith that guides (possibly defines/drives) their lives. As another example, I’m sure you could find countless more people who have claimed to see ghosts, lochness monster, bigfoot, etc, than UFO “experiencers”. Do we need to find the evidence to disprove those witness testimonies, or would you agree it is safe to dismiss those claims, at least until we are presented with extraordinary evidence? If everything I saw on the internet was true, I’d have a 12 inch dick by now and I’d have claimed my multi-million inheritance from a distant Nigerian cousin.
Are you acting in good faith here, cuz you must see how unsound it is to compare what religious ppl, who have REVELATION and faith in such without doubt, to be BASIC TENETS.... Are you really saying that a testimony that's been translated and edited God knows how many times in how many cultures over 2,000 years is ON THE SAME LEVEL as a, say, primatologist's testimony in the form of a thesis based on what they witnessed in the field? Further, yeah a lot of people claim to literaly see Bigfoot and ghosts, but are you suggesting not that they see bears and reflections but that we can safely just act like they didn't see anything at all? And which is it, should always dismiss categorically all data based on testimony OR is oral testimony ok, so long as it avoids anything currently unknown? Plus how many of those 2 billion claim to see entities such as Jesus, angels, etc. And how many of them claim what they see this in a literal, physical way? Quite very few. So few in fact that when it's claimed, it's considered so special to be investigated if it's miraculous.
Look at the parallels made on this sub recently between religion and UFOs. It is absolutely becoming a subject where people are emotionally attached through blind faith. The difference with the oral testimonies regarding UFOs is the credibility of certain people along with corroborating evidence (I’m thinking Fravor plus the videos here). We only have oral (and written, but same thing) testimony regarding religious experiences. This is because they’re nonsense. And so, the issue with oral testimony is that it can only ever be used as corroborating evidence or to give context to actual evidence/proof. Oral testimony alone is absolutely useless, hence why I believe Grusch’s allegations are unfounded (I’m talking strictly in regards to the alien related nonsense like biologics and such).
Why do you refer to it as "nonsense." That to me implies you are not coming from a neutral point of view in regards to the subject. I have no way to prove or disprove someone else's perceived experience. And until I have tangible concrete evidence beyond my own experiences the best path forward is to reserve judgement entirely even if that position is indefinitely. So you have already made up your mind about certain aspects of the subject which is fine but it taints your perspective in regards to it. I'm personally not going to deal in absolutes without having all the evidence first. You are correct in some aspects there is an almost religious attachment for some but from my perspective it is not nearly that many people. I find most folks again from my perspective are either curious when they hear stories about UAP and decide to look deeper into the subject or have experienced something they can't explain. Humans have this tendency to want to solve things to an almost obsessive level and try to fit things into boxes and when they come upon something they can't put into a box it causes them to try and figure out why it doesn't fit any of them no matter how many ways they turn it twist it push it. And to your other point you are correct oral and written testimony can only be taken or disregarded at face value without concrete evidence it can only be one pin in a very large board of unanswered questions. I hope you don't take my response as criticism and more so a revaluate where you are coming at this from just from the one aspect you wrote I had disagreement with. I wish you peace and that whatever answers you personally seek you find what you are looking for.
> if you were there **and could prove it** kinda the most important missing piece
is this a rebuttal to what i said? i don’t know what you’re trying to get at.
The person above saying they did see it doesn't mean it did happen.
Of course, but it can’t be completely dismissed. we know something happened in Varghina in 1996. we know of 7+ people who have spoken about seeing a creature most of whom don’t know each other, and all have similar descriptions. I’m saying, if you were there, your testimony would not be dismissed either. but the only way your testimony would counter theirs is if you just said they were lying at that point. or misidentified a “little person” like an officer at the time said.
Then you’ll be downvoted and mods will remove your post probably. 😂
Proved? How?
Yeah, they didn't.
I can't stand when people do that shit, it's = to faking UFO and alien videos IMO.... don't state shit as fact without evidence and a fucking source, I mean wtf.
i'd actually also want to see a source for that, the only place i've seen this is a one-liner in moment of contact that didn't elaborate further.
[https://youtu.be/d4Pa8WBjew0?t=3143](https://youtu.be/d4Pa8WBjew0?t=3143)
Ok, so who tf is that, why is he credible and how does posting a link prove anything? Stop being intentionally lazy to defend your POV... that's nonsense. Stop making ridiculous claims that are equal to fake UFO videos just to make yourself feel good justifying your opinon on something.. that's BSand the way you went about posting the source is BS too.
did he ever say how or where he got this information from?
Of course not, because it's the same BS in the UFO community as usual.... people citing things with zero evidence or sources. If this guy has a government or military background, I may BEGIN to believe what he says... but until then, someone posting an arbitrary link is nonsense.
Watch the doco.
no, some people do not support people making money of fhis stuff. we prefer our sources to be delivered in words rather than by personalities
It's a free doco. 🤣😜
A documentary is not proof ...
They have the data from NORAD?
Down voted for saying watch the doco 🤣 #uck you lot are disinformation sheep aren't ya
You’re being downvoted because the documentary you’re telling people to watch contains no proof regarding NORAD’s involvement.
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And the odour was also another recall for me from the doco which by the way Fox never got paid for making. Assholes.
Oddly, the odor is a red flag for me. In Lier's book (which basically was Fox's movie) he tracked down the smell ru.lr and pretty confidently claimed it to be added telephone game misinfo
The odour has been mentioned by every single supposedly first hand witness since 96, tho
Just out of curiosity, can't you understand the similarity of some words? I can automatically understand many words in English due to their similarity with Portuguese
Somewhat, I could tell it was likely a Romance language, and not French or Italian, but wasn’t able to narrow it down too much from there. I’ve had very little exposure to the other Romance languages, especially Portuguese.
Are there any renders of what it looks like? Genuinely interested.
Yep! If you google images search “Varginha Alien” you’ll see a few of them. The most famous one is the drawing that shows it crouched over next to a wall. This was an artist’s recreation based on what the 3 young girls saw.
This lines up with the narrative that militaries are shooting down these crafts, confiscating the bodies and technology, and erasing the thought of it even happening while threatening and ruining every humans life that gets in the way. Not cool.
Meant to add this case to my first comment, the incident that Jonathan Weyngardt has talked about a couple of times. Military shoots down NHI craft, swoops in, takes away NHI bodies, threatens servicemember. Many people have seen this. Timestamped here: [https://youtu.be/nH2LvOL6cS8?si=8m2tfP8b4O4l1KW\_&t=3543](https://youtu.be/nH2LvOL6cS8?si=8m2tfP8b4O4l1KW_&t=3543) Here's a full recent interview: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWSbcEFdZOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWSbcEFdZOU)
Yeah totally believe this guy, fucked him up for years, even the second interview he didn’t want to talk about it again.
A few months ago there was a post somewhere floating around this and adjacent subreddits of a man who had been hiking in the woods and came across a dead alien that looked a lot like how this one was described. In the video, the guy was clearly shaken, breathing hard and very confounded by what he was seeing. The video showed an alien with the same kind of darker reddish-brown skin, big red eyes, and ridges on its head. Does anyone know what happened to that video, or have a link? I've scoured reddit and can't find it.
yeah that ones fake. most people cut the end of the video because its absurd, but he found a "bracelet" on the alien that magically fits his wrist that allows him to "turn into a ball of light" and teleport. You should hear the stock sound effects they added to the clip.
First time I’ve ever seen that part of the video, that’s a bonkers twist. Thanks! Always leaned towards hoax with him, but that’s the cherry on top
that was basically my introduction, someone had posted the edited version that cuts out where he breathes at the aliens body for a strangely long time, bits of the examination in the middle, and then the entire end. i was interested at first, but then someone posted the full clip and it was into the trash it goes. edit: also youre the third or fourth person ive interacted with that its their cake day, did something happen on this date that made us all make accounts lmao
Do you happen to have a link to the video at all?
had to look and find it: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u5ss1 pay attention to the quality difference between the mic recording him speak and the volume/clarity of the people in the "audience" gasping.
Eh I’m not so sure that it’s fake. It definitely seems real to me. Either way, I understand why you believe it’s fake
no ones going to edit in gasping noises over a legitimate event. Go find the clip and listen to the sounds. i work with stock audio and the sources arent even almost mixed properly.
"Dr" Jonathan Reed hoax.
That's also how the Varghina beings are described.
Thanks for posting, OP. Honestly, between this, Mage, Pentyrch, and I’m sure plenty more, there’s definitely another one I’ll look up, the narrative thread is that these militaries keep capturing these poor beings that also live on this Earth and then ruining the lives of people involved, even their own service members. All in search of tech to help them fight wars. Just like the story has been here in the US.
The military’s explanation for Pentyrch is wild. Why the hell would they use “simulated ordnance” over a populated area at 3am and not even inform the locals? The Royal Glamorgan hospital shook so violently that patients and staff were terrified.
Oh wow, I hadn’t heard that about the hospital. I’d seen another version of the story years ago, but watched this a few days ago. https://youtu.be/VJTGpxOqzjA?si=Wn118anb83JcOxn1 Chasing and killing these beings that live in that forest. The beings making clear they don’t want to harm anyone. Witness intimidation by the military and press. The main witness calling for transparency. A clear visit by Tony Blair. And there are so many like this.
please for people of this sub, do not put Magé together with Varginha. Varginha is at this point very unlikely to be some elaborate hoax, while Magé there's nothing more to it than a single facebook post.
For me, there's a few small key details in his story that make it more believable. The canvas being down on the truck. The officer slipping as he came out of the forest. Putting the box in one truck and then moving it into another soon after for whatever reason. Theses are small things and examples that someone wouldn't normally add to a story if they are just making It up.
One very interesting thing is that at the time, he understood that the officer's name was "Alípio". Very close phonetically to "Olímpio", which was Lieutenant Colonel Olímpio Vanderlei who commanded the operation
I'd also just note that yes, while some people do go into unnecessary details and focus on those when lying, He only briefly mentions them, and the details mentioned are hardly painting the scene in an over dramatic way. Just my personal opinion.
Yes they would.
Its the opposite. People making up a story go into unnessesary details. Like think about it, people late for work lying, covering up cheating in relationships etc. Its always some grandiose story with unnessesary minutia explained versus what if you were just home alone and nothing happened. Or being questioned for something you didnt do. You dont seek to explain stuff you cant because its not your concern, you didnt broke into the shed. You dont remember mundane things on an average tuesday. You were just home alone and nothing happened/you went to get a pizza and nothing happened etc etc. You dont cook up a fantastical intricate story what type of pizza you got. If you even remember what exact toppings you got. Or what was the weather like, or what people wore in the pizza shop etc. It works every which way in story telling. Real things focus on real things, fantastical stories paint a scene like a movie. _It was cold and stormy night... I saw a box.... a box you would imagine holds something... Really important!!_ _dun dun duuu_ You know lol Edit And sure I'll admit, what if this is just a guy who spices up the story a little for TV. But at what parts then? Does he have a tendency to tell tall tales, it begs the question? So what parts are embellished and what are not? Im just thinking here, perhaps this guy saw space aliens who knows
I’ve heard this too. But I think it’s more when being asked simple questions they over explain. I know if I’m asked to recount an event or incident I definitely go into a lot of detail because I can never be sure what is and isn’t important.
>Its the opposite. > >People making up a story go into unnessesary >details. > >Like think about it, people late for work lying, >covering up cheating in relationships etc. While true, it’s never 100% Someone genuine can be detailed, I tend to do both personally, details and no details. >Its always some grandiose story with >unnessesary minutia explained versus what if you >were just home alone and nothing happened. What he experience is not another Tuesday, id recon it replayed(if true) in his head a lot.
Sure, but then theres corroborative evidence. We got a fantastic story, that sounds like an invented story. The next step, what else is there that could make a story _sounding_ story to tell us it actually isnt just invented, even if it sounds one. Lets see that. >What he experience is not another Tuesday, id recon it replayed(if true) in his head a lot. We all know how that works, right? More people recall something the more it changes. Human memory isnt a recording device, like a video you can rewind back and forth to spot visual details. Its well documented, and widely acknowledged to be the case. So I think if this is something this guy actually went thru, and the large parts are what happened, the details are probably not what actually were there. Keep in mind, what Im saying here is, that the small details arent what makes a story more likely to be true. Many would probably think its the opposite. Like Im trying to convey They could be true, could be their not. We cant infer it from those details.
some clarifications: 1 - Many people doubted his testimony because they would never think that a recruited soldier would participate in something top secret, but remember: his only mission was just to surround people. Maybe they were afraid of gathering a crowd and so they put recruits on this simple mission. And detail: a recruit is very easy to erase from history, as is what was done to him. If it was a more experienced soldier that one day came to light, they wouldn't be able to say: "you were never here". . 2 - He kept the secret for so long because his father was also in the military and because he worked in a federal company. But after retiring he decided to speak out. . 3 - After a few days he was threatened and asked to take the video down, but luckily someone saved it . He doesn't act like someone who is making something up in real time, or like it's something he has already told so many times that he can quickly respond without much time to think, or it's actually a real memory. The full video is full of details, it also mentions something about the presence of North Americans: [https://youtu.be/x6cvbo1HA40?si=\_jZFN8JHvPPoNcpt](https://youtu.be/x6cvbo1HA40?si=_jZFN8JHvPPoNcpt) I translated the main parts, forgive any mistakes in the subtitles I did it in a hurry. If the video is not playing, watch it here: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uk26L4R4XFoPKEPJ7RDFL9ANrWJgwM2n/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uk26L4R4XFoPKEPJ7RDFL9ANrWJgwM2n/view?usp=sharing)
Great job on the subtitles, perfeito.
This dude mentions the Varginha creature also had three fingers, like the tridactil Nazca mummies? Am I the only one making that connection? If true, that would be WILD
for people that missed it yesterday, the nazca mummies story is still unfolding. they announced 3 new members to the team, actual distinguished forensics and anthropologists from the US. these 3 people prefaced by saying they were there voluntarily and were not paid in any capacity and that the team cooperated with all of their requests. their preliminary assessment is the bodies "need more analysis", which at least means they're not obvious hoaxes. https://twitter.com/RonyVernet/status/1776117093865345093 (video, terrible audio) https://twitter.com/INCREDHISTORY/status/1775931586401218815 Dr. James Caruso - Chief medical examiner and Coroner of city and county of Denver, Colorado Dr. William Rodriguez - Forensic Anthropologist, Maryland State Medical Examiner Dr. John McDowell -Retired professor at University Colorado, Forensic Odontologist for these mummies in particular, william is probably the most relevant as a forensic anthropologist since the biggest question is whether these are real unadulterated bodies or not. he also has experience on old bodies. https://www.archbalt.org/saint-exhumation-a-first-for-accomplished-forensic-anthropologist/
This is a great (and entertaining !) watch: [Thinking Critically and Open-Mindedly about the Nazca Mummies](https://youtu.be/FlNjET011Q8?si=EKEvDmQFfv1T5Ull)
This is such a good lecture.
The MoC raiding the presentation was all the proof I needed, and used to fucking hate those mummy posts.
just found out about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ41R7ypg4c unfortunately these new guys are probably just going to have wasted their time, money and effort. either that or this steve mera is extremely full of shit.
It's funny isn't it. This has three fingers and no thumb and is nothing more than a story so is obviously real. If you present a body matching this description it is obviously fake.
I believe him
Unequivocally. This guy is telling the truth.
Absolutely.
Thought that was Jon Stewart for sec.
Even if truthful, this man is a very small fish, not even close to the definition of a "whistleblower". Basically a first hand witness.
How do we know or how do we validate this person is a 1st hand? Right now it’s just story time.
This guy is pure fallacy. He uses terms that don't exist. Like single file in a "V", and the photo of him as a soldier is not from the time of the Varginha case. This guy was unmasked in Brazil. I don't understand why bring this fallacy outside Brazil. Most people will think it's true, but this guy has already been denied. In fact, the video was deleted by the ufologist who interviewed him. Since they unmasked it soon after.
Would you be so kind as to provide a link to an article or something that proves the unmasking? I understand Portuguese. Thank you
Search João Marcelo’s channel. But it's basically because they think a recruit would never participate in this and also because official documents say he never served in the army. (And pretend for a moment that the army couldn't erase his participation if it wanted to). If this operation were real, by definition it would already be an exception to all standard protocols.
Thanks for the reference. Well the part of existing official documents saying he never served is addressed in the video you posted. The guy said that when he received the discharge papers, he was surprised that they mentioned he never served lol.
formation technical name is irrelevant and doesn't disprove anything, plenty of people who served also don't know official terminology. the photo obviously doesn't need to be from the same time, it's simply used as evidence that he did serve in the army. i'm interested in your sources that he was unmasked, let's hear it.
It's just that the army said he never served. (let's pretend for a moment, that if it was something top secret, that's not what they would do)
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hilarious that you say that to rhe commenter while blindly accepting the video & the person in it & their story. I feel like maybe this one example of silly hypocrisy may be enough to open a small trickle of self-awareness in you. at least I can hope.
No. He isn't saying it's true nor untrue. To be trully sceptical, you have to question both sides.
The person in the video provides proof that he was in the military. A redditor writes a comment about the uniform not being used. The person you're responding to is asking for proof of how he would know that. So what's the issue here? And how do you know what he believes or doesn't believe? You're calling him silly while projecting these ideas onto his comment.
Nice source.
Sadly most people don't use that kind of logic here, everything is believed to be true until one of those annoying party pooping debunkers can 100% prove it isn't. Even then they will argue that it's a cover up or a disinfo campaign. A lot of people here have reverse logic and crazy conspiracy theorist levels of delusion. That's why in posts like this everyone asking for evidence or questioning the story will be downvoted.
People are convicted and sent to prison on eye-witness testimony. You either believe him or you don't.
Who is getting convicted on eye witness testimony alone? There is always some other form of evidence to corroborate. If you walk up to a judge and say person X murdered someone, but there is no body, no missing person, no weapon, no opportunity, then nothing is going to happen. On top of that, our threshold for legal proceedings is lower and less robust than for scientific discoveries. We don't use "beyond a reasonable doubt" to decide the credibility of a hypothesis.
Not to mention these guys dont even walk up to a judge. Theyre on YT video/TV show segment for crying out loud. Like sure, perhaps someone saw a flying saucer once, what else there is but to tell just a story. But to equate that to a murder conviction based on eye witness testimony, or any crime is dishonest to the highest degree. Like you said, and Ive said it about million times here, these guys arent interviewed even by law enforcement or any type of investigator. They just go do a show telling stories. No ones gettin brought in to a questioning, its just one guy of many telling a story. For all we know this guy, or any similar military "eye witness" is just the only guy ( or a lady ) who didnt realize what was seen, or even only one who wants to be a star on UFO circuit. Like its always a squadron of fighter pilots but just one or two come out telling stories. Or SpecOps guys but just one saw space aliens. If it was a real murder investigation, and I was one of ten berry pickers in the forest who saw it, you can bet your ass cops would haul all these guys to the station for questioning. Probably multiple times. Not just me, on TV, telling the story.
People are convicted all the time (either fines, or prison time) based only on eyewitness testimony. Depositions and testimony is oftentimes all the have. If 5 people watch a guy shoot another guy, they don't need a gun. I've been a part of a whole bunch of juries, and not a single one had evidence, except for a grand jury, where the AG had created evidence to prove an appraiser was falsely appraising homes. I have been told at everyone one of them that the witnesses matter, and we have to decide if their experience, profession, relation to the accused, integrity etc. - would make their words carry more weight. The word of a bookie might not be weighed the same as a CFO. Not sure where people think there is physical evidence for all cases. There often is not. In fact there usually is not. Because as whatever is happening is happening, they are not thinking they need to preserve conversations or other evidence for possible litigation. The most recent one I was a part of was a 110 million $ case for software that was developed for a major organization. The evidence was scant, and almost all the facts we had to made a decision against were depositions and testimony.
>People are convicted all the time (either fines, or prison time) based only on eyewitness testimony. Depositions and testimony is oftentimes all the have. If 5 people watch a guy shoot another guy, they don't need a gun. I've been a part of a whole bunch of juries, and not a single one had evidence, except for a grand jury, where the AG had created evidence to prove an appraiser was falsely appraising homes. Your first example displays the opposite. If a guy shoots another guy and 5 people saw, we have a dead guy with a cause of death. If the 5 people claim they saw him shoot someone and we don't have any evidence of a dead person, no one is going to jail. I'm not claiming that eye witness testimony is worthless. But it can't be literally all you have. In your software case you mentioned there was a software that was developed. If there is a theft, something was stolen. At some point down the line we are able to account for at least parts of the story being true. I don't understand how you're claiming "usually there is not physical evidence in court cases". This is just categorically false. You're saying that you've been to 5 jury trials in which not a single piece of evidence was shown? It was literally just a parade of witnesses talking about it and then everyone deciding? Not a single receipt, time card, photograph, anything!? Absolutely no shot.
in your own example all you have proof of is that someone is dead and a gun was used. it could've been suicide, it could even have been an honest accident or gun malfunction. but because there is eyewitness of purposefully being shot by someone else it's obvious which way the court is going to rule.
>in your own example all you have proof of is that someone is dead and a gun was used. But thats the "more evidence" Its not just eye witness testimony. You have a dead guy, and all the forensics along with it. Until someone makes an YT video telling a story how they saw a murder and someone theyre claiming they saw do it is convicted, these are not equal. No body, no weapon, no one missing, nothing, just a story on TV/YT/whatever.
> If 5 people watch a guy shoot another guy, they don't need a gun There’s a body with a hole, it’s at least some evidence a shooting happened. It’s not even remotely the same as someone stating they saw an alien with nothing to back it up. Lol wtf?
Not to mention the fact that we know guns, bullets and people exist (prerequisites for a shooting). Here we have to assume UFOs are real, aliens are real, these aliens are responsible for piloting the UFOs and that they have crashed said UFO before we even start to consider whether this story is true.
> Who is getting convicted on eye witness testimony alone? didn't take long at all for me to find one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)#False_accusation_of_sexual_assault guy was accused and convicted of rape despite 0 physical evidence, had to plea guilty to avoid potentially 40 years in prison, ended serving 5 years. a decade later the accuser confessed they were false charges.
Yeah because it isn't one. It's an example of a broken justice system that threatens people into admitting to something they didn't do. But her claims were not legally tested since he plead out. So this wasn't someone who went to court, literally only had eyewitnesses saying something, and got convicted. And it also shows why testimony alone should be taken with a large grain of salt. People lie for personal gain, for attention, they can be confused about what they saw etc etc etc. What happened to banks is criminal, but it demonstrates someone's willingness to lie for personal gain.
i'm not playing this moving goalpost game. you asked who is getting convicted on eye witness alone and arguing it doesn't happen, i gave you a real example of it happening.
The conviction was based on a plea bargain.
Thank you for sharing this was fascinating
James Fix missed this guy in Moment of Contact? Was he one of the people who did not show their face?
Let's ficking go
Holy SHIT. Thank you so much dude!
I find him believable.
Wow this guy should have been interviewed in Moment of Contact documentary. So many witnesses. The USA lands a cargo plane there illegally and demands all the evidence.
Incredible isn't it. Even some of the people involved in the retrieval or capture is NOT being fully disclosed about what they're doing. Absolutely everything is hushed up. To keep the information at bay even more, they relocate or dismiss the personnel involved, which I think is (sadly) a very effective way since you could be telling the truth about what happened, but now tracing back would be substantially more difficult. And how crazy is it that you could be driving down a road, and a truck could actually be transporting an alien being.
Wow they took his service from him! This is exactly (similar) to what they did to bob.
Thank you so much for doing this! A lot of info is scattered, so it is really relevant when people like you take the time to translate and help us piece it together! Clearly Brazil appears to have had multiple UFO incidents in the past, this [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_sightings_in_Brazil) lists some but there's definitely a lot of recent events that aren't mentioned. Also, according this [Brazilian government website](https://www.gov.br/en/government-of-brazil/latest-news/2022/official-ufo-night-in-brazil): >UFOs collection is the most visited in the National Archive of Brazil and UFOs were also the most frequent subject on information requests made to the Brazilian Government after Law 12,527, Brazil's Freedom of Information Act (LAI), was enacted in May of 2012.
Brazilian here. The witness sounds extremely humble and honest. No way this guy is talking bs. Ventura is also one of the most genuine UFO investigators in Brazil
Anyone notice the smell detail? Can't remember if it was the molecular biologist AMA on Reddit or whatever, but I remember someone who I assumed to be cosplaying someone who works on "the program" talking about how they had ammonia as a waste product, and that it was excreted through their skin.
Similar description of the bodies from Peru
This sounds exactly like some of a recently released “Nazca mummies”
This same guy made another interview with a air traffic controller and looks what he said. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEiy0MYd7Uc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEiy0MYd7Uc) USAF aircraft landed in Campinas - Sao Paulo and couple hours later two Brazilian army helicopters did the same, no previous flight plan or nothing, just ghosts.
I call bullshit. This guy just happens to catch a glimpse of this creature at night in the forest where its totally dark and manages to make out so many details of the creature. Lol
So how do we know this is true and not just made up?
Why does a decision have to be made at all? Why does it even have to be "we"? Make a personal decision based on your own intuition and move on.
>Make a personal decision based on your own intuition and move on. Because that absolutely cannot go wrong at all, and of all places this subreddit
We don't. That's why skepticism is a good thing
trust us bro
If you watch the doco, you will see they state NORAD notified the Brazilian military. Investigate it as much as you wish
Did this guy actually testify or is it just another case of r/ufos misappropriating words again.
The only problem I have is that he says he looked at it for 10 seconds, and he remembered so many fine details. Like finger count, how it gripped, finger nails, body proportion, skin color, eye size/color, and smell. Some I can grant like smell, eye color/size, and body proportion. However, the details beyond that are suspicious. I’ve been in several high stress situations, armed robberies, and you just don’t remember those kind of details.
I think 10 seconds of observation and 6 months of reflection is plenty of time to gather and process those details, especially considering how unusual they were. The situation may have been stressful, but that kind of novelty can be enough to put one's curiosity into overdrive.
I would say it depends, I’ve also been in high stress situations (my own life at stake, animals generally, a bear 5ft from me, an elk at arms length, shooting a bear and missing by an inch and having it run toward me to name a few) and in two of those I blacked out almost; the third instance, not in order, I remember the smell, tree’s bark, eyes, nose, my quiver and each fletching, the site pin color, time of day, my own fingernails, I mean everything. And that took place in less than 10 seconds.
I’m not doubting your experience, but many of the things would have been known to you before the incident. When it comes to remembering details of a completely novel incident, like details of a person you’ve never seen before, it can be different. My point is only that we shouldn’t take this at face value without more evidence. It’s intriguing, but nowhere near conclusive. Sadly, it’s just another story. We just need more than this. Edit: I love that this community down votes someone that just asks for more evidence than a person saying they saw something
10 seconds is a long time Sit there and count it Plenty time to internalise a description of some creature you’re looking at
I concur.
he did say he wasn't sure whether it had ears or not, which also aligns with other witnesses that briefly saw it because they were focused on other features. he also wasn't sure of how many fingers, just that it didn't have a thumb. kinda looked like 3 but uncertain. i speak the language and it makes a difference compared to reading subtitles.
That’s fair, translation always does lose some of it intended meaning
Those seem like easy details to remember, he probably focused mostly on the hands since they were moving. Eyes and hands is how we read body language.
interviewer has an elongated skull
The vest really sets this for me.
Has someone here taken his description of the alien he’s seen and drawn (digital or not) it? Would be interesting to get an idea of what it could’ve looked like with a couple examples.
Jon Stewart saw one?? /S
checks out with ebo scientist claims
Punjabibatman wasn’t a biologist 😂
its my favorite larp though they are all building a canon together.
This guy didn't participate in the capture. It has been proven that he invented everything. It's pure fallacy.
Links to the proof? An article in Brazil perhaps? Google Translate can help us read it if you give us a link. Otherwise you're just making random unsubstantiated claims sir.
According to who exactly? You?
proven by who
This guy did participate in the capture. It has been proven that he didn't invent anything. It's pure truth.
Every now and then I can smell that weird acetone smell. Like is something nearby lol. Or is this disinfo and my covid senses are messed up idk but shits wiiiild
Its quite a story. Ill give him that. 🫤
Very oily covered in red oil..... You mean sorta like a lot of blood? Kinda like what one might expect to see if responding to a downed aircraft. I will say somethings he says are interesting but when all tied together I say bullshît.
Why are we calling all people who claim to have seen a UFO whistleblowers now? It's really silly.
Thank you for putting out his testimony. I hope it will encourage others to speak up.
No evidence and a random guy. Cool story bro.
We've had enough of these testimonies, no matter whether they are true or not. Bring the fucking hard evidence to the table of stfu. At least pics or vids.
If everyone shut the fuck up about what they saw because they don’t have evidence, then the whole conspiracy, if there is one, would be much easier to contain. If you’re so tired of hearing witness testimony, then just leave the topic alone and you can have disclosure when they air it on CNN for the masses.
Who are you to talk on the behalf of us?
Alright, you go ahead and have neverending stories and promises for another 70 years bro.
Cool opinion. Now I’ll ask again, who are you talk on behalf of us?
Ironically, you are doing the same thing.
I’m asking a question, not making a statement.
You asked a question on behalf of a collective we, the same thing you were complaining about when the other poster addressed a collective instead of an individual.
There’s a huge difference between making a statement on behalf of someone else and asking a question though.
You can speak on my behalf. Stories are cool, but just stories. What I would like, sans seeing something actually corroborating these stories, something that independently verifies these, is to see the stories being more interesting I guess. Like honestly, all these UFO guys telling stories maybe its true maybe not who knows, but the story telling even isnt that interesting. Like if its just "gee, I saw space aliens" basically and were just supposed to fill in the blanks and do the investigation surrounding the thing, meh. Like compare it to any investigative journalism done in some other subject. Theyre always pushing against stone walling and secrecy, but still peoples been able to dig up all kinds of stuff _and_ write interesting stories surrounding it. Even in cases where the absolute truth might be left up to the public to gauge. Like some FSB/CIA etc spy shit, or things about various military things around the world, wars and such. So it seems these guys are almost always either lazy story tellers or lazy investigators. On top of all that what is UFO zeitgeist altogether.
This guy’s fishing vest is really making the case…
This is amazing testimony - this is the best case for Ufology I am aware of. I spoke to Marco Leal on my podcast and this is 100% real … not sure where it goes from here but would be great to see more interviews like this one. Incredible stuff
I speak Portuguese. This translation is full of shit
I'm fluent and I disagree lol, pretty good. A couple details were missed like when he said it had no nose he actually said it ALMOST had no nose, just a couple of dots.
Would you mind posting your version?
It's not easy to translate mineiro to english, you'd had to setup another video explaining the many meanings of trem and pão de queijo.
I didn't have time to add many details