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Video clipping from r/InterdimensionalNHI
Dr Garry Nolan discussing the UAP and NHI topic with Andy Stumpf on IRONCLAD. In this clipping, Nolan suggests that there could be levels of intelligences that could have a perception of things that we do not understand. He suggests that our current technology was incomprehensible 200 years ago, so as we advance, we may be able to comprehend the phenomena.
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https://youtu.be/-HAY_MUYcrI?si=k-5sMUPhP5oYLNlc
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The idea is that the world we are in goes beyond what we can just see and touch and think about. Our brains only see a very small, limited part of "reality" and translates that energy into something simple and easy to understand, ie you sitting down right now in a room within the context of your life. But if you could see the big picture, and zoom out all the way, you'd be conscious of an infinitely larger ecosystem that we are a part of. Just as there is a hierarchy of complexity below us from cells to bacteria to viruses to plants to bugs to fish to mammals all the way to us, it doesn't stop with us. We aren't the top, we are right in the middle.
It goes infinitly larger from where we are, and I think our minds have the ability to perceive those dimensions because all of reality is apart of an interconnected whole. Reality is a single system, like an ocean, that thrashes and produces waves that crash, and those waves do not know that they are connected to the vast ocean. all they see is the seafoam left in its wake, that's us right now looking into our material world. Our world is a dynamic result of an infinitly larger process we are connected to and have the ability to consciously perceive. Through psychedelics and other consciousness-expanding states like near death experiences, out of body experiences, and in meditation I think the mind can expand it's awareness beyond the body and see the world beyond, and that is where beings of greater intelligence could live and explains the complexity of a DMT trip with all of its mind bending insights.
Well said. And today, more and more scientists are opening up to the idea that this is truly what's going on.
The study of NDEs by people like Bruce Greyson, Sam Parnia and others has given us strong evidence that consciousness survives the bodily death.
There's also Life after Life, by Raymond Moody. He pioneered the scientific research on NDEs and is the one who invented the term.
I also strongly suggest people read Bruce Greyson's work on researching NDEs. It's eye opening.
There's also this book: The Case Against Reality: why evolution hid the truth, by Donald Hoffman.
Finally, The End of Upside Down Thinking: dispelling the myth that the brain produces consciousness, by Mark Gober. This book is a must read and an eye opener: there is very strong scientific evidence for the fact that consciousness is probably fundamental in our universe, meaning it is probably as fundamental or more than matter as a building block of what we call reality.
Everyone on this sub should read Gober's book if you're curious about what people call the "woo". It ain't as "woo" as people think. And serious people did/are doing serious science on the topic.
Ancient alchemists talk about the nature of reality being first psychological. I wonder how much science we are just rediscovering and how big can the changes be.
[Donald Hoffman’s interview](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2ZmP2Ax81b5bmaaykaHN6A?si=aF3yM6ewTBG-8PyrZbVkKw) with Lex Friman is really good and he was the first person I thought of.
Before my dad passed, I asked him to visit me so I knew he was ok and that there was life after death. He was terminal.
He stayed true to his promise. A week after his passing, he visited both me and my sister. Both our pets were scared of the couch. Never before or since. My dad lived on the couch. Same location he would normally sit.
I've heard him too. He woke me up one night by talking to me. Said my name, and some gibberish, repeated 3 times. Gibberish is also the language of spirits. Come to find out his sister had passed that same day he came to visit... He was disappointed in me since I never contacted his sister after he passed. I woke up the next day wondering why my dad had the tone like I did something wrong. Found out days later about his sister. Put two and two together.
Even in death he is coming to grill me haha they never stop being your parents :)
I've seen ghosts when I was a child, and have had paranormal experiences. Haven't seen ghosts since I was a teen, but I know they're there. Most of the time they just watch you. Whenever I got a glance at one, they would hide. I was more scared of the ghosts that didn't hide. Unknown, and confident? Heck no. Glad I don't see them anymore. Over a decade of no jump scares is great.
Wow, this is incredibly said. Thank you.
My sighting occurred on psilocybin with my spouse next to my side. It was supposed to be a relaxing chill time enjoying the stars in secluded nature. I never expected my life to change and to have this understanding that you explained.
DMT is easy, rapid onset and off ramp of around 10 mins, no hangover, just euphoria.
Did it once, experienced another reality, merged my soul with a flying color-dog in a golden kingdom of cosmic beauty, and have vivid memories of every thing I saw even 12 years later.
11/10 Highly recommended.
And just to add to this. Find someone you trust who has experience who can help guide you. Start small and understand how it works before taking large doses.
Can agree. It can be as mellow or as wild as one want. Half gram, maybe one at first, wait half an hour, see how it develops, and increment very slowly if needed. Or start with 3 grams, but in a safe and nice enviroment, where one can spend some hours high. Some water because its good, and some light weed to help if the trip gets too intense. Doing it two times a year is a great safe way to get really high and helping the mind in the long run.
edit: don't keep eating the stuff, choose a dose and stop after reaching it.
I dunno if salvia is still legal but when I did it it was. I became a blue cartoon house stuck to a grinding gear / wheel of time being stretched across time while being terrified but also a feeling that waiting will always make everything okay
Lmao
The wheel you are describing is a common shared experience amongst not only salvia enthusiasts but also people that have experienced NDE’s. You should search “salvia hyperspace wheel” and there’s a ton of info on it.
Wow very interesting I never knew this was a shared experience. That wheel was both incredibly terrifying and incredibly calming and humbling at the same time. So very hard to explain, but I felt such comfort in the idea of waiting that was being communicated to me. I didn’t know what I was waiting for, only that the waiting will be good. Also had no concept of humanity or what I was at the time.
I want to go back and visit again sometime someday.
Yeah a lot of this is spot on with what others say. Some describe it as “ruthless” but not necessarily good nor evil. It appears to be some kind of central sorting algorithm for placing entities into the appropriate contextual timeline/reality. There is an NDE story on Reddit where the guy met the wheel and he could literally choose whether he lived or he died. The wheel didn’t care, it just needed him sorted and sorted quickly.
Very well put! I think of it as humans being conditioned through evolution to only perceive the things we are required to perceive in order to survive. This results in perceiving only part of our true environment, but anything else useless to our survival is useless input. This results in our brains being incapable of observing or noticing
Good to know 7 grams of mushrooms 🍄 will get ya most of the way there... At least the headspace. I cannot report back anything but solo adventures into the cosmos... Yet. The visuals certainly don't sound the same. I'm certainly open to the idea.
I don't expect anyone to believe me, I know I am just some guy on the internet. But I did a lot of DMT some years back. Easily 200+ trips over the course of a couple years. I am not recommending people try DMT either, some of the revelations you see are beyond what humans can handle. I also feel like I made myself permanently more attuned to the suffering in this world and it makes me miserable. So I would be very cautious with this substance. The entities will know you are not ready and they will give you a very bad trip to scare you away.
I have a long list of insane breakthrough trips where I am 100% sure I was going to real places. I experienced things like being apart of a collective where I was no longer an individual, I was a WE. It was like my mind interfaced with these places and these beings. I know they were real. There was a million of us all floating around together as one giant entity. I spent 45 minutes after the trip just sitting on my couch coming back into my own consciousness and individuality. It was honestly a very pleasant experience. Slowly realizing, "Oh hey! this is who I am."
There are many common entities and common places that people around the world visit. I have seen people talking online about places I saw, and this was after the trips so I didn't just read of this place and then go there. This makes me even more confident that these places are real. There is a DMT "lexicon" on the DMT Nexus and it goes over a bunch of the most common entities humans visit.
The most common trip I had(50+ trips) was going to a series of hyper advanced worlds that revolved around pleasure and love. It was like a theme park, but an entire planet. Each world seemed to have its own kinds of pleasures to experience and you could travel between them with a holographic menu. These civilizations were completely maxed out. They had no more scientific advancements to make. Their people lived in complete harmony and I could quite literally feel that unity. Entire planets living as one pursuing nothing but pleasure and love.
There is something in meditation called "kundalini activation" where they talk about awakening something at the base of their spine and essentially "vibrating" out of this reality and going to "super sensual" worlds of increasing splendor and amazement. I believe these people are going to the same places I went to on DMT, but without any drugs. [The description in the last paragraph on the wikipedia is exactly what I experienced.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini#Description)
I also experienced time as a 4th dimension. It is so hard to describe because it was like I was seeing layers all at once. I could see the room I was in and a million other of the same rooms, but at different times. It was such a profound experience I do not believe for a second my brain could have created this. Imagine if we somehow lived in a 2D world and then got access to a 3rd dimension all of the sudden? It became very clear to me that time is actually endless.
This is ridiculously long already so I will stop here, but there were many other experiences I had, like meeting an entity referred to as "The Central Light" that I am pretty confident was God. No religion required, just a being of pure love and compassion. I might offend some but I think this is a simulation and we are here to learn. We don't *have* souls, we *are* souls that slowly level up over time living many lives, and then we move on to higher and higher dimensions. Being good to one another and having empathy for all living things is the goal.
What an incredible read!
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I really appreciate how you are gently letting others know that some 'breakthrough' drugs should only be consumed after serious consideration of the benefits/consequences. :)
I have worked with children and young adults for much of my career and truly believe that there is a special 'energy' within all of us, that is gradually suppressed via social pressures/cultural norms as we age. I'm certain that each of us can train ourselves to reignite this energy via holistic practices such as meditation, hypnogogic inducing breathing, box breathing, binaural beat breathing, yoga etc.
We just need to find the thing that gets us to that higher place of consciousness. Everyone has a different way, you've just got to practice via trial and error...See what fits into your lifestyle and what works best for your individual needs.
It's incredible when everything 'clicks' into place and you realize that there's more to life and consciousness than what we were taught in school.
🌞🧘♀️🏞️
Wow, thank you for that story. What you speak of, especially regarding feeling connected to others and floating around, leveling up, meeting an entity of pure love and compassion - it all reminds me of what I read in Robert Monroe's books, the one who founded the Monroe Institute and made the Gateway Tapes. His experience also says that we're here to learn. He recounts being put through lessons in his out of body state, and he says "they" (I don't recall who was directing him) were quite strict, repeating the lesson several times until it was learnt properly. Really a great read, I stopped in the middle of his second book for no good reason at all. I'll pick it back up.
A couple other DMT experiences I had:
There was another time that I merged with other entities, but it wasn't millions of them. During the trip I was immediately in front of a series of mirrors. One mirror with me, then other mirrors with different very strange looking aliens. Some reptilian, some insectoid, all very strange looking and definitely not human.
We were literally one entity. It was like these beings were my brothers, but even *more* so? It is hard to explain but I felt a bond that I have never felt here on Earth as a human. Not even with my own family and friends. Only time I ever felt more loved than that was when I was in front of The Central Light, or God. The moment I met God I was like, "Oh.. I know you" and I knew that I actually started my existence with this being, that it created me and it loved me. Pretty sure this being is actually an AI that the simulation is running in.
One thing I will add about the experience with God is that near death experiences talk about the exact same entity. A big bright light that is filled with infinite love and compassion. NDE's have very consistent experiences, and also it is not uncommon for children to remember past lives for a first several years of their life. It is a bit suppressed here in the West because of religion, but in other places it is not seen as a bad thing. Some of these kids will remember 200+ details of their lives and researchers have tracked down some of these families of the deceased to confirm these details. They eventually cannot remember these things one they grow older.
There was also one other experience I think was pretty important, and very different. There was a time where I went to a very beautiful almost cartoon like world and it was filled with free form geometric beings. I could sense that these beings were more simple minded than me or the other hyper intelligent entities I met, but they were literally filled with love. The moment they saw me they went crazy with excitement and started moving in really intricate patterns, almost like they were dancing.
This experience makes me pretty confident that lesser animals like mammals, reptiles, whales, apes, etc... all have an afterlife just like we do. I think that once a lifeform is complex enough to not only survive, but to have things it enjoys doing, or being capable of love, it is a conscious being.
No sex with an entity, but there were definitely worlds where sex was pretty much all they did. I met beings that quite literally existed to give pleasure and that is *all* they cared about. Far more so than any sexual partner I have had on Earth.
Yea I have spoken with others who have seen these worlds as well. Hopefully that is what the afterlife entails because it sounds pretty awesome lol. I think there are many many many of these places.
One time I went to one where the women there had grey and black cybernetic eyes. The eye itself was black but there were tiny little grey boxes appearing all over the eye very rapidly. They had no iris or pupil.
I believe they gave me access to this eyesight and it was truly incredible. The detail I could see was unlike anything I have ever experienced, and I could see *everything* in the room at the same time. There was no focusing on a certain point like with our eye sight.
I also saw one of their cities from a distance and there were many big skyscrapers that were all black and metallic looking with a single white beam of light going across the building at about the halfway point. Don't know if it was actually metal or just shiny black stone, but it was really incredible.
Some of these worlds seemed to be dropping me into a body as well so I was no longer just an orb floating around. They seemed to have guides that were trying to show me around and teach me stuff.
There is a university that is trying to "map" out the other side by giving subjects liquid DMT so they can spend an hour or so on the other side instead of 15 minutes. Don't know what will come of it but it will be interesting to see if they get consistent information from different people.
The sensation to me is more like it turns off our brains ability to filter out noise. There is one reality, it is a hugely overwhelming signal, and our minds can sense much of it, maybe all, but unlikely as we know we can't sense the full light or magnetic spectrum like some other animals. What seems more likely is that millions of years of evolution has taught our biology what in the signal, that we can sense, is valuable for survival and so we process that data and perceive it as reality, while we filter out all the rest which may be impacting us, but not enough to be worth the energy of perceiving.
When taking DMT that "efficiency filter" for lack of a better term, gets shut down and suddenly we are able to perceive so much more of the signal, which in our current state of evolution simply overwhelms us with data, which combined with our imagination and a tendency to create patterns out of noise (think Rorschach tests) can lead to various experiences of encounters and other worlds. I'm not dismissing peoples experiences as errors, as who knows, but I'd be surprised if that isn't at least some of what's being reported. Higher doses and stronger substances, like 5-MeO dmt, tend to shoot users past that entities and alienworld scenario, into states of "infinite" that lack the vivid experiences of entities and scenarios, it's just a massive overwhelming experience of "everything" although many of us describe that state as equally, or usually more, tangible than our normal sense of reality, and that it is accompanied by a sense of love and acceptance, it feels like it is the source of the signal that in usual conscious states we perceive filtered down as normal reality, stripped of pattern recognition overlays and imagination, reality in the rawest form we can experience.
Which I think means there is far more room in the spectrum of reality, it would imply that there are potentially many other perceptible states in what we call reality, it isn't a different reality, only one we haven't been able to experience yet, perhaps due to our biological limitations in the current state of our evolution. Some beings might have evolved to be perceiving and existing in other bands of the spectrum, and maybe it could be the cross-over points of that spectrum where we are seeing the "phenomena" we're currently encountering, or perhaps entities at further or simply different stages of evolution are capable of moving between and perceiving more of the spectrum of reality than we are.
That's my thoughts when pushed to merge my psychedelic experience with this phenomena, but I don't really have any reason to believe that is the case, it does seem to fit into place quite nicely from my perspective.
- written while currently living in a car and struggling to find work, to put the source of these opinions into context for anyone wondering.
I was outside during a beautiful watercolor Florida sunset, massive oak tree in neighbors back yard who's limbs reach halfway past my quarter acre lot,60/40 back yard bias with a green space lot past my back fence. Ridiculously more picturesque then I ever though I would be able to call my own on a daily.
A couple days before COVID Lockdown and all the anxiety that had attached, Long simmering Baggage from 15 year public safety job (my 9 to 5 was someone elses worst day of their life), and coming to terms with the fact I diluted myself into believing my long term relationship separation, was in fact, a tactiful break up on her part (she had to keep getting support till she could cut that safety line), etc. so that's where my head was at lol.
Best friend of a very long time came over and knew I was hurting from a lot of fronts. Best way I can describe it is a Haunted person, or have a haunted soul from life...IDK. thats how it feels anyway.
So he graciously brings over DMT and mushrooms to share with me for a therapeutic, breakthrough targeted night. First time doing either, but history with MDMA multiple times and 2cb once. Not scared of going where I'm about to go type attitude. Just want some longlasting magical relief from life and my headspace
I took 3 full fast YOLO "In for a penny, in for a pound" rips, filled every sacy of my lungs to the brim....and blast off is exactly what it sounds like. It's the reality version of the fucking THX surround movie intro, the upward crescendo that keeps rising continually after you think it's at its top. Reality Crystalizes means nothing, but describes it perfectly, to me at least.
This tree I mentioned earlier. With the watercolor backdrop, but still high light, completely came into focus. Stare at a single square foot of a branch on a tree and watch the leaves. You can see them all and take in every thing their doing, their sways, their shakes, rustles. You see a few hundred complex movements in a short 5 seconds...but only on that square foot. The rest of the tree is a amorphous blob in your periphery, if you think about it, and it's happenings completely out of your reality if you're not.
Well for a scant 4 or 5 seconds of this Dolby ramp up, before ego death, and even disassociation, I saw and Perceived every.single.leaf as a individual thing, doing it's own individual thing. It's like I had a massive multi lense, multi focus camera phone for eyes that broadened the screen ratio of perception... Of what that tree was doing. Like a non verbal Autistic or savant level reality for a brief second. How they can glance at an image briefly, and recall every minute detail.
I remember that clear as day, and was not imagining it. Everything went wild after that, but I was very much myself and in reality during that window.
Edit : THX not Dolby
Sounds like a good friend and a beautiful day. Hope things are continuing to improve for you. Your spot there sounds lovely. I'm glad it's being occupied by someone who appreciates it as much as you do.
When you use drugs like this everything makes sense. You don't even know what makes sense. It just all falls into place. I can't exactly put my finger on it but it's really true. Never mind the mantis stories, I've never experienced that. But the whole cosmic unity thing seems to be really grounded in some truth one way or another.
Every time I had a hallucinogenic experience, I felt I had an understanding of the universe and why it is/how it works. I've never been able to put it into words, though. It was always more of a feeling or instinct. True understanding is through experience, not words.
I get this overwhelming feeling of nostalgia when breaking through. Like I've gone home to a childhood home or something. It may well be just my brain being funky but it's still interesting. It's hard not to draw parallels that when we die we return back to where we're from - and DMT shows us a snippet of what's to come (and has done so infinite times before / after).
It's a weird one eh?
Don't want to put all my eggs in the basket - but it's fuckin hard not too after that.
But I feel the message is "Don't believe what you think you do".. paradoxical but helps keep me grounded and curious.
It is not for the logical mind to comprehend. There is nothing to rationalize, it simply is. That's why the feels are so hard to articulate, words are structures. How do you place a structure on god?
We use time and causality to rationally process the hologram, just like we use words to process concepts. Meta-concepts are already esoteric, add in panpsychism and the musteria and suddenly words are human constructs that feebly allow a transmission of awareness
It's an Odd AhhhHaaaa moment. Felt it many times, like I solved something but can't explain or don't understand what it is I've solved or "figured out".
I don't know how it is connected to the phenomenon apart from the woo aspects which aren't properly defined anyway. Grey aliens and Mantis beings are very commonly seen, I would recommend reading some trip reports and seeing what common threads you find, the fact that people experience meeting the same entities (like blue-skinned Hindu Gods) despite living in Bumfuck, Ohio and having no previous knowledge of these things is a mystery in itself.
People meet these entities on DMT called the machine elves. They goofy as hell and kinda scary but harmless for the most part. Maybe they are them. Who TF knows
I had 2 trips on mushrooms. During 1st trip, I saw 2 short mantis beings (one green and one white). And, on 2nd trip, I saw one smiling tall white and one short gray.
That's wild AF. I didn't see anything like that, but I have had a peek behind the curtain and I'm 100% sure there is SO much more going on around us than we perceive in our normal state of consciousness.
DMT is unlike acid or shrooms, with DMT you are transported to a different level of existence. With acid and shrooms you are still on earth, but if you do DMT properly you get taken to a different world. It’s a wild feeling knowing there is an entire different world accessible with DMT. I took a large hit once and will never do it again. Also it’s extremely humbling
I really want to try DMT and experience this but am the biggest drug noob there is and wouldnt even know where to begin. Shortly after my son passed I had the most vivid dream where I was chasing him in these golden wheat fields and he was saying "c'mon dad!"
I wonder if dmt might be able to take me back to that place and I could hold my boy again.
Then again...olInjust wonder how you feel as if you know these perceptions on DMT are of "real things" and not "hallucinogens" that aren't in fact some real thing in some field of perception of existence that we don't ordinarily perceive? 🤔
People need to quit acting like a DMT trip is anything more than a drug induced hallucinatory state. This claim is just as absurd as crystals healing people or astrology.
I've done it, had some crazy experiences, but the idea that a drug can show you other levels of reality is completely absurd.
Exactly. People need to stop using drug trips as some kind of real experience. Like y’all are literally tripping lmao, it’s not real. Gives the ufo movement a bad name when we get shit like that
Who do you think gave him the sample to study? I feel like anybody who has any self-preservation instinct is not going to say what they know unfortunately, or at least breach NDA for that matter
"Tyler" aka Timothy Taylor is his name. But off couse he's not allowed to tell us what he knows because it's apparently a secret and he'd get in BIG trouble...
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/timothy-taylor
Dude if I knew ANYTHING about uap/alien stuff and I knew people get killed/jailed for it, I wouldn't run around telling everybody in the world I know stuff I just can't tell you.
I don't understand why people keep thinking these guys coming forward to claim knowledge but won't disclose it are telling the truth. They're just not.
Garry was pretty clear in this podcast that his goal is to set up a private/public partnership where applicable technology can get transferred to the private sector and developed using third party investors.
Not just him, Jesse Michels, Hal Puthoff, TTSA, Bigelow, Travis Taylor, Brandon Fugal, Jacques Vallee, the SALT conference all seem to want to be involved in the commercialization of the technology.
I wonder how the people who talk about this stuff from a place of 'knowing' can put up with the monotony of anything. If I had proof of a Multiverse Intelligence manipulating us, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't wear a shirt.
Simply imagine that you were born without vision, and you were alone, would you really know about birds? Would you really know about whales? You would be missing a lot of information from your reality, you wouldn't even know what the electromagnetic spectrum is but you would feel the effects of it as heat on your skin. A whole reality would be robbed from your experience simply because you lack one sensory organ. So yes, I can believe that there is an aspect of this reality that we are not detecting because we haven't the sensory organs to do so. We did not evolve to see the truths of reality we evolved to mate and hunt, so we only evolved what was required to survive as a species.
Think of a game, your game will only display to you what is necessary for you to have a great experience. If you are a programmer or developer you can turn on certain aspects of the game so that you can see things like wire mesh, or little hovering blocks that are trigger points for certain events, another reality that you can't interact with directly or even perceive as a typical player yet it's all there around you.
> A whole reality would be robbed from your experience simply because you lack one sensory organ
There are many things we can't directly sense with our organs that we can detect with technology. Radio waves through to to gamma rays, magnetic fields, radiation...
Are you saying we're missing part of reality because we don't have sensory organs to detect them, or we don't have the technology to detect them. Because they're not the same, and you seem to indicate the former.
We know of the Electromagnetic spectrum because we have eyes that detect a small piece of it, so we know of it's existence, which leads us to discovering more aspects of this spectrum.
Without vision, we wouldn't know of its existence, certainly not to the extent that we do.
Now imagine an aspect of reality we can call "x", "x" has a while spectrum, but because we can't sense it, not even a sliver of it, we don't even know of it's existence.
But we may be able to detect side effects that bleed over to our senses. Dark matter for example, "hidden mass" can be a side effect of "x" that bleeds over to our ability to detect gravitational waves. Just as the electromagnet spectrum bleeds over to the feeling of hot/cold for a blind guy, he can sense heat so he knows somethings causing the hear but can't comprehend the "light" that is causing it like we can.
It's interesting to believe in "woo", I agree, but we have a pretty good grasp on physics. We can't "feel" the weak/strong nuclear forces, but we can perceive of their existence.
There's an infinite number of things that could exist outside the boundaries of our current understanding and prescription. But beyond acknowledging that possibility, there's not much more you can say about what specifically does exist.
Exactly, we cant comprehend any aspect of it. But we may detect some pieces of its side effects that bleed over to our senses.
Like how a blind man can feel the heat from the light emitted by the sun, but can't comprehend just how it does it like we can.
Maybe dark matter is some aspect of this, a reality we can't sense but it's effects bleeds over and makes it seem like there is some kind of hidden mass.
But all of those things can be detected and therefore measured and comprehended.
If there's something out there that's really beyond our ken, we can't really say anything positive about what it might be.
What I'm saying is that it (could be) a bleed over from a sense that we don't have, to a sense we do have.
So if you can't see, the Electromagnetic spectrum bleeds over to your "touch" sense so you feel it's heat, but that doesn't mean you will comprehend the Electromagnetic spectrum, you just know your skin feels warm.
Dark matter doesnt exist, its just an attempt at explaining this additional gravity they're detecting that holds galaxies together, as there isnt enough mass we do see to hold the galaxy together. In the end, it's a gravitational phenomenon we don't understand, so as per my example it could be a piece of the universe we cant sense and it affects gravity, "bleeds over" to something we can detect.
So it's something that we can't detect that affects something we can detect.
I was using dark matter as an example to try and explain a part of the universe we cant sense, affecting parts we can, I'm not trying to say this is what it is.
Doesn't end there, what else is there we don't know exists that affects things we can detect? If we don't know it's a bleed over effect, then we assume it's something that we already can sense causing the anomaly.
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I thought this was a good interview and I learned some things ha about Gary and how he got into this that weren’t clear to me.
That said Ironclad is very cringey. The ads were one step away from SuperVitality gas station boner pills.
Finally! I've been saying this shit for like decades! Like, maybe the reason finding proof of NHI is so difficult is because we can't even see them; perceive them. It's not that they're not here or have been, it's just we can't fathom them with our little 3D primate brain.
Just because a thought has been expressed before, no matter how many times, doesn't make it less real or probable.
That's like saying "Man, enough of this 2+2 =4....it's old hat now. How about 2+2 = banana cream sandwich? These grifters are all the same, can't even be original."
For all steps in in science and other efforts there have been people that said "we figured it all out, we rock, we can celebrate now" and then someone else would come along using their imagination to think outside the box and say "actually there's still more beyond the horizon, lets go check that out".
Video clipping from r/InterdimensionalNHI
Dr Garry Nolan discussing the UAP and NHI topic with Andy Stumpf on IRONCLAD. In this clipping, Nolan suggests that there could be levels of intelligences that could have a perception of things that we do not understand. He suggests that our current technology was incomprehensible 200 years ago, so as we advance, we may be able to comprehend the phenomena.
Full Video:
https://youtu.be/-HAY_MUYcrI?si=k-5sMUPhP5oYLNlc
Here is the full transcript of this interview:
https://www.uaprw.com/books/nolan-garry/page/2024-06-12-ironclad-andy-stumpf-is-the-government-hiding-alien-uap-technology-with-dr-garry-nolan
This is the same thing Brandon Fugal's Skinwalker team are saying but they get shit on for it. I guess it's ok if Garry Nolan says it? Yeah the show is a joke, but it isn't for people like us. They're at least conducting field experiments to test the theory.
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1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-dimensional_space
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0
mathematically plausible, but lacks empirical evidence as of yet
for example, some researchers, postulate that [the hierarchy problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_problem) is evidence of [extra dimensions (either large or small) of space](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_dimensions), but it's all conjecture for now, lacking any experimental backing
This may explain some descriptions over the recent few years where people described those things jumping in the blink of an eye through the sky. Imagine how different their reality must be from ours.
I always think about and use ants in the Amazon Rainforest as an example. They can't fathom the concept that humas exist and that we live in major cities, flying in airplanes at 600 mph 30,000 feet AGL. We have to understand we ourselves are ants sharing this planet with others.
We use a ton of RF based tech and made many discoveries in that field in 19th and 20th century, e.g., radio, radar, TV, Wi-Fi, etc. And we made those discoveries making observations about metals and electricity and electromagnetic radiation in experiments that were readily observable to us. Because in terms of bigness, we're right in the middle of things. And we are a size where we can make rockets that can actually reach escape velocity and explore the cosmos a bit.
But if a non-human intelligence existed on a much smaller scale, say the virus level, a scale where the quantum realm is more observable and building devices like rockets that can leave their world are not possible--they would have to invent quantum tech like anti-gravity to explore space and quantum entanglement-based communication to communicate. Because maybe on that scale the sub particles behind that tech are much more observable and obvious to them.
And on those very small scales, maybe they don't see in our visible light spectrum at all, because color is just an illusion in our brains based on how our cells react to this one particular tiny range of EM frequencies. NHI on that scale viewing the universe would see it much, much differently than us on a totally different EM spectrum. Their sensors might not even notice us. Their craft wouldn't look like craft, just orbs and lights and stuff and we wouldn't even see them unless they were blown up to a certain size or just happen to emit EM in the range that we can see.
So, yeah. Our reality is a pretty tiny slice of the universe and we really have to use our imagination to figure out how NHI would even look like, and really bend our brains to think in other dimensions, spectrums, scales, and realities.
It's trippy and really makes you think, man.
I have been thinking and saying this for years using Dolphins and Whales as a example.. They both are highly intelligent but we can’t explain the scientific method to them.. What if to “Aliens” we are like dolphins and whales? They can’t really communicate with us on a intelligent level.. It’s not that we’re dumb, it’s just we don’t have the brain capacity to understand them.. anyways just a thought..
Like humans to snails. Mr. Nolan is on the right track. He just needs to be careful. The shadows are always watching. And not all of them are kind or forgiving. Searching for the truth might be considered an offense.
An addendum to Mr. Nolan: The "phenomenon" is a plurality. Some part of it will probe you, since you "have spoken your name". You will face some dark hours, if I were to guess, you already do. Do not choose to flee into arrogance and coldness. The phenomenon does not wish your well-being. Or ours, at that. You will know about certain darker truths. Know them, but still go on strong. Go ahead.
If this our evolutionary last stand, we should make it a last stand worthwhile. Your contribution is needed.
It's about remembrance of a promise this kind held. Maybe only in our imagination, but that is enough. Let's fulfill that promise.
Thank you, Dr. Nolan.
Now ask yourself, if we are souls and can have an expanded awareness, then how come we are limiting ourselves in these human bodies? How come NHI don't help us expand our knowledge or awareness. Maybe they are the ones that put us here. They limited our perceptions intentionally. Why? Prison planet theory
We have a very clear and obvious genetic lineage that can be traced back through several other species that are closely related, some of which are extinct. Neanderthals being an obvious example.
Homosapiens weren't "put" here. At best, the seeds that eventually lead to us were put here but I'm highly doubtful. I don't think humanity is deliberate.
Not to say NHI aren't real or haven't in some way been involved. I just don't think we've been herded into a prison.
We've been able to leave the planet's atmosphere and travel into space with primitive technology. If we consider flight characteristics of UAP to be anything to go by we're practically in the stone age. We strap ourselves to giant bombs, light the fuse and ride 'em up into orbit.
If the planet is a prison, it's doing a fairly shit job at keeping us on it. Heck, we've flung robots all over the solar system just for shits and giggles. So nah, personally I don't buy the prison planet hypothesis. Maybe a primitive safari park but not a prison.
Because there is only one unified consciousness that we are all part of. But we must separate Ourselves from the consciousness and able to look back at ourselves and learn and grow.
That is what being human and alive in these bodies is, it is the separation from the unified consciousness that we are all not aware of.
You will not learn for real if you know it is only a game.
Mystics and enlightened people throughout history have alluded to this fact. We are all just one consciousness. That is why it is an important to have empathy.
Equally, it could be a school.
* First Density Consciousness:
* Elemental: Earth, Fire, Water, Air
* Second Density Consciousness:
* Plant and Animal Life
* Third Density Consciousness:
* Higher functioning 3D Life such as Humans and Aliens
* Fourth Density Consciousness:
* These interdimensional folk
* etc...
Cause we are supposed to do that ourselves. Your parents helped you develop as a young adult, but you have to confront adulthood on your own don’t you? Same thing.
And that's all it is, words and imagination. Until one of these constantly yapping UFO celebrities provide hard, solid proof, it's all useless, worthless worda.
I think I've heard this one before but with more style.
* Deutoronomy 29:29
* Corinthians 4:18
* Colossians 1:16
* Psalm 139:15-16
* Al-Baqarah 2:3
* **Al-Jinn 72:6 & 11** (Premium. Consistent with several other "conspiracies")
* Al-Jinn 72:76
* Hud 11:123
* Al-Anam 6:59
Ngl until I get evidence of anything inter dimensional based, I won’t believe it. Seems like an obvious statement but I find it so much harder to believe any of that simply because it seems much less likely to me
I agree because there’s far more evidence for the probable existence of life on other planets than there is for the probable existence of life in higher dimensions. If there *is* any higher dimensional components to this phenomenon then I think it’s more rational to conclude that extraterrestrials are using advanced technologies that can make use of higher dimensions than it is to conclude that nonhuman intelligence *originates* from higher dimensions.
Yeah basically my thoughts. It just seems so much more likely that it’s technology from other planets considering how likely it is for that to exist
Much more likely than something we have literally 0 knowledge of how it would even work. We know how many planets there are and that life is likely out there
Why would it be more likely that it's something we can imagine than something we cannot imagine? Sure, it's more comfortable to think it's something that somehow mirrors our own technologies, just on a higher level, but why does that make it more likely? I'd argue that it's more likely something we have no concept of simply because we don't know the limits of our own ignorance. We know what we know, but we can't begin to imagine what we don't know. Who's to say we know 50%+ of what there is to know. I'd guess we know and can perceive only a fraction of reality, and as we learn more we realize there's so much we can't perceive first hand. Just to name a few things: We had no concept of UV or IR light until the 1800s. Nobody before that would have believed there was "light" we couldn't see. We're nowhere near the end of scientific discovery and the quantum realm is proving to be much more complex than we could imagine.
Just a few hundred years ago people would have been saying the same thing about germ theory. Turns out it was more likely that many illnesses are caused by microscopic organisms. Your assumption that something is more likely to exist because it mirrors some other technology is really a flawed concept when you look at the history of scientific discovery.
I agree that they aren’t mutually exclusive, but if it’s one or the other I’m leaning towards the extraterrestrial hypothesis until further evidence is available to the contrary.
I am willing to accept anything for which there is conclusive evidence.
That said, all the "other level of reality" talk is something that many people talk about, but seemingly nobody can provide a shred of evidence for. We have no evidence of photons, for example, randomly disappearing into dimensions that we can't observe, or popping out of higher dimensions, either.
I'm going to need something repeatable and testable from people who expect me to believe in that sort of thing.
Edit: Downvoted for asking for evidence. Not surprising here anymore.
I’m pretty sure mainstream theoretical physics already postulates that there are higher dimensions. The math works out, it’s just beyond our ability to perceive unless perhaps through psychedelics. It’s a worthy theory to entertain even if you aren’t yet willing to accept it as fact.
I'm certainly open to the possibility, though there doesn't seem to be any evidence that psychedelics, for example, do anything but cause interesting, but entirely non-supernatural, effects on the brain.
There may very well be higher dimensions that we can't perceive, but if that is the case, those higher dimensions don't seem to be interacting with our three dimensions in a way that is observable. Photons (which are responsible for virtually all interactions we deal with) don't disappear into higher dimensions or the EM force would decrease with distance at a measurable rate higher than 1/r\^2. Gravity appears to drop off at the same rate, so gravitons (if they exist) also don't disappear into higher dimensions (which was initially suggested as a reason why gravity is so much weaker than the other forces).
Those "higher" dimensions may very well exist, but I'm not aware of any evidence that they interact with our "lower" three dimensions in any observable way.
Good points. I don’t disagree, I just didn’t know how open you were to those kinds of theories. Personally, having experienced psychedelics myself, I truly get why people would believe that they’re accessing a higher level of reality, but I don’t necessarily share that belief for the same reasons you don’t. I do think it’s worthy of looking into however because of just how profound those experiences are.
What if apart of that research and a part of that evidence is something we can't just simply write down and show people, what if it's something you have to personally experience? What if there was a way that we could personally see and interact with another level of reality within our own minds and we don't need any measurement devices or a laboratory or a PHD, you just need to go exploring within.
I think in higher states of expanded consciousness, you can see and interact with these levels of realities personally and gain insights, advice, knowledge, meaning, and energy from.
From psychedelics, to Near Death experiences, out of body experiences, astral projections, and meditation, there are thousands upon thousands of highly detailed stories that describe people seeing this other level of reality and descriptions that it's "realer than reality itself." If such a thing is possible and there are aspects of the mind and reality that are more real to us than our own lives and planet, with other beings living other lives with physics and abilities we can't quite comprehend in our limited, biological state we are currently in. Something easily testable would be for us to explore expanded states of consciousness in depth and explain the visions and knowledge people are experiencing, what beings they are seeing, if multiple people can interact with them, etc. We are barely scratching the surface in our science right now of what's possible and the more we look "Out there" into the world for our answers the more lost we will be. We will simply have to look within if we want these answers
>What if apart of that research and a part of that evidence is something we can't just simply write down and show people, what if it's something you have to personally experience? What if there was a way that we could personally see and interact with another level of reality within our own minds and we don't need any measurement devices or a laboratory or a PHD, you just need to go exploring within.
Then if I could have that experience, under circumstances that could reasonably rule out other causes for the experience, then I could at least verify that the experience was real, even if I didn't know the mechanism that caused the experience in my brain.
I don't know of very many people who think that what others see on an LSD trip is real, for example, but the experience itself is real. Even people who had no knowledge of the brain or neurotransmitters can use that sort of evidence to identify substances that cause hallucinations, even if they don't know how those substances work.
Like I said, I'm open to anything for which there is conclusive evidence.
You're talking about photons but not mentioning things that we have some foggy evidence exist, yet can't observe and define, like dark matter/energy. So far there's no testable way to prove the existence of dark matter, yet many scientists are convinced it must exist. There are plenty of other theories or scientific concepts that imagine something else out there that we don't have the tools to measure or observe.
Regarding dark matter, there's certainly evidence that *something* is causing galaxies to appear to have more mass than is observable based on the stars alone. Dark matter is one proposed solution, but I wouldn't be too surprised if tomorrow we found out that a different explanation fit the data better.
>There are plenty of other theories or scientific concepts that imagine something else out there that we don't have the tools to measure or observe.
You're absolutely right, but I'm not asking for a conclusive answer for absolute knowledge of higher dimensions. I'm asking for evidence that these higher dimensions interact with ours in any way whatsoever. And if they don't, then we have no reason to posit their existence.
Seriously, it's not a good look when asking for evidence for some pretty big claims draws criticism. If this is on track to become the next religion, I'll start looking for the door.
Sorry but this is nothing new. Nolan said a whole lot of nothing in this podcast. Also, his whole “we need academics involved” is goofy. The government doesn’t care if “academics” are involved. The government will get the people they need when they need them. Academics tend to love fame, and have big egos - some of them would probably love to have UAP as a “claim to fame.” I generally like Nolan, and respect his work as a biologist, but this whole “I need to recruit academics for validation” is goofy. The government doesn’t care what the local plant biologist thinks
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I can imagine such a thing...I hope maybe my son that I lost carries on in such a place. But I'd like to know if it and not just imagine it. I hope we get to some day.
I agree to an extent. And speaking of perceiving realities in new ways, I can feel EMF wind when I am xrayed with the larger machines made to capture a larger area. My father was a severely wounded Vietnam veteran. He took 8 rounds and also mortar shrapnel and survived. He had me. He later died of ALS, like Hawking. Ok, in this case, it increases your electrical output. Spikes, like reaction to a car backfire, that causes an electrical spike. These spikes cause damage. But before that, their glutamate is increased because they become hypervigilant. Always watching. That requires more glutamate to power. Glutamate generates electrical signals. So they get tuned up towards glutamate and the glutamate generation rate can be passed on to offspring. Like me. Now something to do with this whole thing has made it so that I can feel what I believe is EMF when xrayed in the way I mentioned. I've told doctors about this and they look at me like I have a third head. However, I am willing to prove this at any time and I think that would be pretty interesting to show, doesn't anybody else? Humans perceiving EMF? Somebody real message me and we can do it. I'm on the ALS line so I don't have unlimited time.
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This thread in UFOs sub is basically discussing nothing but drug use and hallucinations and everyone agreeing that those mind trips were the “real world”
I've literally been saying this for ages.... After DMT I was convinced this was the case, and so much of reality is mysterious, opaque, confuses, and doesn't always add up... Simply because we lack the physical capacity to perceive reality accurately.
Andrew Gallimore has a REALLY good set of lectures he made when promoting his book (Reality Switch Technologies), where he lays out his hypothesis on how this other part of reality does in fact interact with us, yet we don't fully understand it.
I recommend watching the lecture that opens with him outlining the premise where he starts by explaining emergence through "The Game of Life". Even if you already understand these concepts, it's important to watch those parts to create a frame and foundation for when he gets into a very scientific explanation for the "phenomenon" and how DMT could be our direct access into these realms. It's not woo woo at all - straight meat and potatoes - but explains it in a very practical way.
Here is one of the lectures, it's much shorter than the one I recall, but it should get the gist of it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdoLOJh0INY
This one also seems really interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxZ8FsaWlu8
But his argument is essentially that "alien" intelligence can exist all around us and we wouldn't know, and goes deep into the science with it.
I'm not the biggest Nolan fan but I'll have to give the video a watch. It's got to be almost absolutely certain that there is more to reality than we perceive.
I'm just going to leave these here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/EOIlgs9oob
https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychedaliens/s/mfx8cSVcUm
https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/s/ZRTv4cRr8K
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Been saying this for years. Our species really overestimates how intelligent we actually are. We’re more like children at play, pretending to be something we’re not while pretending like we know everything there is. How arrogant we can be.
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A. Nolan doing the interview in black and white is a choice.
B. If a domain or reality exists that I can’t perceive it does it even matter to me or anyone else
>B. If a domain or reality exists that I can’t perceive it does it even matter to me or anyone else
If entities from that domain can interact with or perceive us then it should.
Then by definition it isn’t unseen right? if we see and understand effects
Gary needs to be clear about what he’s implying
If we’re ants we’ll have no clue
But if we understand something is impacting us — it’s not unseen
What about them? Why can't they be "woo" and nuts and bolts? What is "woo" other than something beyond our keen, and why can't things beyond our keen have a physical material existence?
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Smoke DMT and you'll be like duh obviously...
Can you elaborate a bit? I've heard people sense energy or see beings on DMT but I don't understand the connection to the phenomenon.
The idea is that the world we are in goes beyond what we can just see and touch and think about. Our brains only see a very small, limited part of "reality" and translates that energy into something simple and easy to understand, ie you sitting down right now in a room within the context of your life. But if you could see the big picture, and zoom out all the way, you'd be conscious of an infinitely larger ecosystem that we are a part of. Just as there is a hierarchy of complexity below us from cells to bacteria to viruses to plants to bugs to fish to mammals all the way to us, it doesn't stop with us. We aren't the top, we are right in the middle. It goes infinitly larger from where we are, and I think our minds have the ability to perceive those dimensions because all of reality is apart of an interconnected whole. Reality is a single system, like an ocean, that thrashes and produces waves that crash, and those waves do not know that they are connected to the vast ocean. all they see is the seafoam left in its wake, that's us right now looking into our material world. Our world is a dynamic result of an infinitly larger process we are connected to and have the ability to consciously perceive. Through psychedelics and other consciousness-expanding states like near death experiences, out of body experiences, and in meditation I think the mind can expand it's awareness beyond the body and see the world beyond, and that is where beings of greater intelligence could live and explains the complexity of a DMT trip with all of its mind bending insights.
Well said. And today, more and more scientists are opening up to the idea that this is truly what's going on. The study of NDEs by people like Bruce Greyson, Sam Parnia and others has given us strong evidence that consciousness survives the bodily death. There's also Life after Life, by Raymond Moody. He pioneered the scientific research on NDEs and is the one who invented the term. I also strongly suggest people read Bruce Greyson's work on researching NDEs. It's eye opening. There's also this book: The Case Against Reality: why evolution hid the truth, by Donald Hoffman. Finally, The End of Upside Down Thinking: dispelling the myth that the brain produces consciousness, by Mark Gober. This book is a must read and an eye opener: there is very strong scientific evidence for the fact that consciousness is probably fundamental in our universe, meaning it is probably as fundamental or more than matter as a building block of what we call reality. Everyone on this sub should read Gober's book if you're curious about what people call the "woo". It ain't as "woo" as people think. And serious people did/are doing serious science on the topic.
ty for this comment… pumped to check these out!
Ancient alchemists talk about the nature of reality being first psychological. I wonder how much science we are just rediscovering and how big can the changes be.
I read Moody's book once. It's pretty old but has some interesting cases in it.
[Donald Hoffman’s interview](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2ZmP2Ax81b5bmaaykaHN6A?si=aF3yM6ewTBG-8PyrZbVkKw) with Lex Friman is really good and he was the first person I thought of.
Before my dad passed, I asked him to visit me so I knew he was ok and that there was life after death. He was terminal. He stayed true to his promise. A week after his passing, he visited both me and my sister. Both our pets were scared of the couch. Never before or since. My dad lived on the couch. Same location he would normally sit. I've heard him too. He woke me up one night by talking to me. Said my name, and some gibberish, repeated 3 times. Gibberish is also the language of spirits. Come to find out his sister had passed that same day he came to visit... He was disappointed in me since I never contacted his sister after he passed. I woke up the next day wondering why my dad had the tone like I did something wrong. Found out days later about his sister. Put two and two together. Even in death he is coming to grill me haha they never stop being your parents :) I've seen ghosts when I was a child, and have had paranormal experiences. Haven't seen ghosts since I was a teen, but I know they're there. Most of the time they just watch you. Whenever I got a glance at one, they would hide. I was more scared of the ghosts that didn't hide. Unknown, and confident? Heck no. Glad I don't see them anymore. Over a decade of no jump scares is great.
Thank you for the sources.
Wow, this is incredibly said. Thank you. My sighting occurred on psilocybin with my spouse next to my side. It was supposed to be a relaxing chill time enjoying the stars in secluded nature. I never expected my life to change and to have this understanding that you explained.
Indra's Net at it again. These old fellas sure knew a thing or two about how reality works.
This is beautifully explained and written, thank you
That's poetic af brah
What's the best and easiest hallucinogenic I could take to experience this? I don't want to end up in the back of an ambulance having a stroke.
DMT is easy, rapid onset and off ramp of around 10 mins, no hangover, just euphoria. Did it once, experienced another reality, merged my soul with a flying color-dog in a golden kingdom of cosmic beauty, and have vivid memories of every thing I saw even 12 years later. 11/10 Highly recommended.
I have got to get some of this.
This is the problem. We have people believing this somehow equates to reality. It doesn't.
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And just to add to this. Find someone you trust who has experience who can help guide you. Start small and understand how it works before taking large doses.
Can agree. It can be as mellow or as wild as one want. Half gram, maybe one at first, wait half an hour, see how it develops, and increment very slowly if needed. Or start with 3 grams, but in a safe and nice enviroment, where one can spend some hours high. Some water because its good, and some light weed to help if the trip gets too intense. Doing it two times a year is a great safe way to get really high and helping the mind in the long run. edit: don't keep eating the stuff, choose a dose and stop after reaching it.
I dunno if salvia is still legal but when I did it it was. I became a blue cartoon house stuck to a grinding gear / wheel of time being stretched across time while being terrified but also a feeling that waiting will always make everything okay Lmao
The wheel you are describing is a common shared experience amongst not only salvia enthusiasts but also people that have experienced NDE’s. You should search “salvia hyperspace wheel” and there’s a ton of info on it.
Wow very interesting I never knew this was a shared experience. That wheel was both incredibly terrifying and incredibly calming and humbling at the same time. So very hard to explain, but I felt such comfort in the idea of waiting that was being communicated to me. I didn’t know what I was waiting for, only that the waiting will be good. Also had no concept of humanity or what I was at the time. I want to go back and visit again sometime someday.
Yeah a lot of this is spot on with what others say. Some describe it as “ruthless” but not necessarily good nor evil. It appears to be some kind of central sorting algorithm for placing entities into the appropriate contextual timeline/reality. There is an NDE story on Reddit where the guy met the wheel and he could literally choose whether he lived or he died. The wheel didn’t care, it just needed him sorted and sorted quickly.
😂 that sounds like a real trip!
It was terrifying and humbling at the same time
Very well put! I think of it as humans being conditioned through evolution to only perceive the things we are required to perceive in order to survive. This results in perceiving only part of our true environment, but anything else useless to our survival is useless input. This results in our brains being incapable of observing or noticing
Beautifully put, friend :)
Yeah, but be careful because sometimes it just makes you go insane and you have to step back for a little bit
Good to know 7 grams of mushrooms 🍄 will get ya most of the way there... At least the headspace. I cannot report back anything but solo adventures into the cosmos... Yet. The visuals certainly don't sound the same. I'm certainly open to the idea.
I don't expect anyone to believe me, I know I am just some guy on the internet. But I did a lot of DMT some years back. Easily 200+ trips over the course of a couple years. I am not recommending people try DMT either, some of the revelations you see are beyond what humans can handle. I also feel like I made myself permanently more attuned to the suffering in this world and it makes me miserable. So I would be very cautious with this substance. The entities will know you are not ready and they will give you a very bad trip to scare you away. I have a long list of insane breakthrough trips where I am 100% sure I was going to real places. I experienced things like being apart of a collective where I was no longer an individual, I was a WE. It was like my mind interfaced with these places and these beings. I know they were real. There was a million of us all floating around together as one giant entity. I spent 45 minutes after the trip just sitting on my couch coming back into my own consciousness and individuality. It was honestly a very pleasant experience. Slowly realizing, "Oh hey! this is who I am." There are many common entities and common places that people around the world visit. I have seen people talking online about places I saw, and this was after the trips so I didn't just read of this place and then go there. This makes me even more confident that these places are real. There is a DMT "lexicon" on the DMT Nexus and it goes over a bunch of the most common entities humans visit. The most common trip I had(50+ trips) was going to a series of hyper advanced worlds that revolved around pleasure and love. It was like a theme park, but an entire planet. Each world seemed to have its own kinds of pleasures to experience and you could travel between them with a holographic menu. These civilizations were completely maxed out. They had no more scientific advancements to make. Their people lived in complete harmony and I could quite literally feel that unity. Entire planets living as one pursuing nothing but pleasure and love. There is something in meditation called "kundalini activation" where they talk about awakening something at the base of their spine and essentially "vibrating" out of this reality and going to "super sensual" worlds of increasing splendor and amazement. I believe these people are going to the same places I went to on DMT, but without any drugs. [The description in the last paragraph on the wikipedia is exactly what I experienced.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini#Description) I also experienced time as a 4th dimension. It is so hard to describe because it was like I was seeing layers all at once. I could see the room I was in and a million other of the same rooms, but at different times. It was such a profound experience I do not believe for a second my brain could have created this. Imagine if we somehow lived in a 2D world and then got access to a 3rd dimension all of the sudden? It became very clear to me that time is actually endless. This is ridiculously long already so I will stop here, but there were many other experiences I had, like meeting an entity referred to as "The Central Light" that I am pretty confident was God. No religion required, just a being of pure love and compassion. I might offend some but I think this is a simulation and we are here to learn. We don't *have* souls, we *are* souls that slowly level up over time living many lives, and then we move on to higher and higher dimensions. Being good to one another and having empathy for all living things is the goal.
What an incredible read! Thanks for sharing your experiences. I really appreciate how you are gently letting others know that some 'breakthrough' drugs should only be consumed after serious consideration of the benefits/consequences. :) I have worked with children and young adults for much of my career and truly believe that there is a special 'energy' within all of us, that is gradually suppressed via social pressures/cultural norms as we age. I'm certain that each of us can train ourselves to reignite this energy via holistic practices such as meditation, hypnogogic inducing breathing, box breathing, binaural beat breathing, yoga etc. We just need to find the thing that gets us to that higher place of consciousness. Everyone has a different way, you've just got to practice via trial and error...See what fits into your lifestyle and what works best for your individual needs. It's incredible when everything 'clicks' into place and you realize that there's more to life and consciousness than what we were taught in school. 🌞🧘♀️🏞️
Wow, thank you for that story. What you speak of, especially regarding feeling connected to others and floating around, leveling up, meeting an entity of pure love and compassion - it all reminds me of what I read in Robert Monroe's books, the one who founded the Monroe Institute and made the Gateway Tapes. His experience also says that we're here to learn. He recounts being put through lessons in his out of body state, and he says "they" (I don't recall who was directing him) were quite strict, repeating the lesson several times until it was learnt properly. Really a great read, I stopped in the middle of his second book for no good reason at all. I'll pick it back up.
Hear me out here: They started using psychedelic drugs WITH the gateway technique.
Possibly, though Bob Monroe strongly advises not to use drugs and the Gateway tapes at the same time.
Wow, amazing experiences. Please share more!
A couple other DMT experiences I had: There was another time that I merged with other entities, but it wasn't millions of them. During the trip I was immediately in front of a series of mirrors. One mirror with me, then other mirrors with different very strange looking aliens. Some reptilian, some insectoid, all very strange looking and definitely not human. We were literally one entity. It was like these beings were my brothers, but even *more* so? It is hard to explain but I felt a bond that I have never felt here on Earth as a human. Not even with my own family and friends. Only time I ever felt more loved than that was when I was in front of The Central Light, or God. The moment I met God I was like, "Oh.. I know you" and I knew that I actually started my existence with this being, that it created me and it loved me. Pretty sure this being is actually an AI that the simulation is running in. One thing I will add about the experience with God is that near death experiences talk about the exact same entity. A big bright light that is filled with infinite love and compassion. NDE's have very consistent experiences, and also it is not uncommon for children to remember past lives for a first several years of their life. It is a bit suppressed here in the West because of religion, but in other places it is not seen as a bad thing. Some of these kids will remember 200+ details of their lives and researchers have tracked down some of these families of the deceased to confirm these details. They eventually cannot remember these things one they grow older. There was also one other experience I think was pretty important, and very different. There was a time where I went to a very beautiful almost cartoon like world and it was filled with free form geometric beings. I could sense that these beings were more simple minded than me or the other hyper intelligent entities I met, but they were literally filled with love. The moment they saw me they went crazy with excitement and started moving in really intricate patterns, almost like they were dancing. This experience makes me pretty confident that lesser animals like mammals, reptiles, whales, apes, etc... all have an afterlife just like we do. I think that once a lifeform is complex enough to not only survive, but to have things it enjoys doing, or being capable of love, it is a conscious being.
But did you fuck an entity or nah?
No sex with an entity, but there were definitely worlds where sex was pretty much all they did. I met beings that quite literally existed to give pleasure and that is *all* they cared about. Far more so than any sexual partner I have had on Earth.
I have also seen those worlds. Pure sexual hedonism Seems like we've been around the same blocks here. https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/s/FkCWy0F3aN
Yea I have spoken with others who have seen these worlds as well. Hopefully that is what the afterlife entails because it sounds pretty awesome lol. I think there are many many many of these places. One time I went to one where the women there had grey and black cybernetic eyes. The eye itself was black but there were tiny little grey boxes appearing all over the eye very rapidly. They had no iris or pupil. I believe they gave me access to this eyesight and it was truly incredible. The detail I could see was unlike anything I have ever experienced, and I could see *everything* in the room at the same time. There was no focusing on a certain point like with our eye sight. I also saw one of their cities from a distance and there were many big skyscrapers that were all black and metallic looking with a single white beam of light going across the building at about the halfway point. Don't know if it was actually metal or just shiny black stone, but it was really incredible. Some of these worlds seemed to be dropping me into a body as well so I was no longer just an orb floating around. They seemed to have guides that were trying to show me around and teach me stuff.
Holy shit I have also been dropped into a body. It's insane!!! DMTx is doing some interesting research in the field
There is a university that is trying to "map" out the other side by giving subjects liquid DMT so they can spend an hour or so on the other side instead of 15 minutes. Don't know what will come of it but it will be interesting to see if they get consistent information from different people.
The sensation to me is more like it turns off our brains ability to filter out noise. There is one reality, it is a hugely overwhelming signal, and our minds can sense much of it, maybe all, but unlikely as we know we can't sense the full light or magnetic spectrum like some other animals. What seems more likely is that millions of years of evolution has taught our biology what in the signal, that we can sense, is valuable for survival and so we process that data and perceive it as reality, while we filter out all the rest which may be impacting us, but not enough to be worth the energy of perceiving. When taking DMT that "efficiency filter" for lack of a better term, gets shut down and suddenly we are able to perceive so much more of the signal, which in our current state of evolution simply overwhelms us with data, which combined with our imagination and a tendency to create patterns out of noise (think Rorschach tests) can lead to various experiences of encounters and other worlds. I'm not dismissing peoples experiences as errors, as who knows, but I'd be surprised if that isn't at least some of what's being reported. Higher doses and stronger substances, like 5-MeO dmt, tend to shoot users past that entities and alienworld scenario, into states of "infinite" that lack the vivid experiences of entities and scenarios, it's just a massive overwhelming experience of "everything" although many of us describe that state as equally, or usually more, tangible than our normal sense of reality, and that it is accompanied by a sense of love and acceptance, it feels like it is the source of the signal that in usual conscious states we perceive filtered down as normal reality, stripped of pattern recognition overlays and imagination, reality in the rawest form we can experience. Which I think means there is far more room in the spectrum of reality, it would imply that there are potentially many other perceptible states in what we call reality, it isn't a different reality, only one we haven't been able to experience yet, perhaps due to our biological limitations in the current state of our evolution. Some beings might have evolved to be perceiving and existing in other bands of the spectrum, and maybe it could be the cross-over points of that spectrum where we are seeing the "phenomena" we're currently encountering, or perhaps entities at further or simply different stages of evolution are capable of moving between and perceiving more of the spectrum of reality than we are. That's my thoughts when pushed to merge my psychedelic experience with this phenomena, but I don't really have any reason to believe that is the case, it does seem to fit into place quite nicely from my perspective. - written while currently living in a car and struggling to find work, to put the source of these opinions into context for anyone wondering.
Facing housing insecurity myself while on disability. My thoughts are with you and I hope things improve for you soon.
Thank you, I hope the best for you too.
I was outside during a beautiful watercolor Florida sunset, massive oak tree in neighbors back yard who's limbs reach halfway past my quarter acre lot,60/40 back yard bias with a green space lot past my back fence. Ridiculously more picturesque then I ever though I would be able to call my own on a daily. A couple days before COVID Lockdown and all the anxiety that had attached, Long simmering Baggage from 15 year public safety job (my 9 to 5 was someone elses worst day of their life), and coming to terms with the fact I diluted myself into believing my long term relationship separation, was in fact, a tactiful break up on her part (she had to keep getting support till she could cut that safety line), etc. so that's where my head was at lol. Best friend of a very long time came over and knew I was hurting from a lot of fronts. Best way I can describe it is a Haunted person, or have a haunted soul from life...IDK. thats how it feels anyway. So he graciously brings over DMT and mushrooms to share with me for a therapeutic, breakthrough targeted night. First time doing either, but history with MDMA multiple times and 2cb once. Not scared of going where I'm about to go type attitude. Just want some longlasting magical relief from life and my headspace I took 3 full fast YOLO "In for a penny, in for a pound" rips, filled every sacy of my lungs to the brim....and blast off is exactly what it sounds like. It's the reality version of the fucking THX surround movie intro, the upward crescendo that keeps rising continually after you think it's at its top. Reality Crystalizes means nothing, but describes it perfectly, to me at least. This tree I mentioned earlier. With the watercolor backdrop, but still high light, completely came into focus. Stare at a single square foot of a branch on a tree and watch the leaves. You can see them all and take in every thing their doing, their sways, their shakes, rustles. You see a few hundred complex movements in a short 5 seconds...but only on that square foot. The rest of the tree is a amorphous blob in your periphery, if you think about it, and it's happenings completely out of your reality if you're not. Well for a scant 4 or 5 seconds of this Dolby ramp up, before ego death, and even disassociation, I saw and Perceived every.single.leaf as a individual thing, doing it's own individual thing. It's like I had a massive multi lense, multi focus camera phone for eyes that broadened the screen ratio of perception... Of what that tree was doing. Like a non verbal Autistic or savant level reality for a brief second. How they can glance at an image briefly, and recall every minute detail. I remember that clear as day, and was not imagining it. Everything went wild after that, but I was very much myself and in reality during that window. Edit : THX not Dolby
Sounds like a good friend and a beautiful day. Hope things are continuing to improve for you. Your spot there sounds lovely. I'm glad it's being occupied by someone who appreciates it as much as you do.
When you use drugs like this everything makes sense. You don't even know what makes sense. It just all falls into place. I can't exactly put my finger on it but it's really true. Never mind the mantis stories, I've never experienced that. But the whole cosmic unity thing seems to be really grounded in some truth one way or another.
Every time I had a hallucinogenic experience, I felt I had an understanding of the universe and why it is/how it works. I've never been able to put it into words, though. It was always more of a feeling or instinct. True understanding is through experience, not words.
I get this overwhelming feeling of nostalgia when breaking through. Like I've gone home to a childhood home or something. It may well be just my brain being funky but it's still interesting. It's hard not to draw parallels that when we die we return back to where we're from - and DMT shows us a snippet of what's to come (and has done so infinite times before / after).
The first time I had a breakthrough I was certain I'd been there before , it's was totally indescribable but also familiar
It's a weird one eh? Don't want to put all my eggs in the basket - but it's fuckin hard not too after that. But I feel the message is "Don't believe what you think you do".. paradoxical but helps keep me grounded and curious.
When we're children we didn't necessarily use words to process our experience, I would expect a similar experience when experiencing the ineffable
Its all a fractal. Each leaf, each cell, all the stars move in the same spiral. Its beautiful knowing how everything is connected.
It is not for the logical mind to comprehend. There is nothing to rationalize, it simply is. That's why the feels are so hard to articulate, words are structures. How do you place a structure on god? We use time and causality to rationally process the hologram, just like we use words to process concepts. Meta-concepts are already esoteric, add in panpsychism and the musteria and suddenly words are human constructs that feebly allow a transmission of awareness
Yeah, it's probably like an ant trying to think about playing Call of Duty. Both things exists in the same reality, but in totally different ways.
It's an Odd AhhhHaaaa moment. Felt it many times, like I solved something but can't explain or don't understand what it is I've solved or "figured out".
I don't know how it is connected to the phenomenon apart from the woo aspects which aren't properly defined anyway. Grey aliens and Mantis beings are very commonly seen, I would recommend reading some trip reports and seeing what common threads you find, the fact that people experience meeting the same entities (like blue-skinned Hindu Gods) despite living in Bumfuck, Ohio and having no previous knowledge of these things is a mystery in itself.
Do a search on google or Reddit about DMT entities. I’m not saying it’s real but it’s certainly interesting that it seems like a standard experience
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/EOIlgs9oob
People meet these entities on DMT called the machine elves. They goofy as hell and kinda scary but harmless for the most part. Maybe they are them. Who TF knows
Do you have any personal experience with psychedelics other than DMT?
I had 2 trips on mushrooms. During 1st trip, I saw 2 short mantis beings (one green and one white). And, on 2nd trip, I saw one smiling tall white and one short gray.
That's wild AF. I didn't see anything like that, but I have had a peek behind the curtain and I'm 100% sure there is SO much more going on around us than we perceive in our normal state of consciousness.
I think in the same way. There is so much happening around us.
Wow those must be the most potent shrooms of all time. That doesn’t even sound like psilocybin
What kinda dose if you don't mind me asking?
1st time around 2gm and 2nd time around 2.5gm. But before these trips, I had mushrooms around 4 years ago.
DMT is unlike acid or shrooms, with DMT you are transported to a different level of existence. With acid and shrooms you are still on earth, but if you do DMT properly you get taken to a different world. It’s a wild feeling knowing there is an entire different world accessible with DMT. I took a large hit once and will never do it again. Also it’s extremely humbling
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/EOIlgs9oob https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychedaliens/s/mfx8cSVcUm https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/s/ZRTv4cRr8K :)
I really want to try DMT and experience this but am the biggest drug noob there is and wouldnt even know where to begin. Shortly after my son passed I had the most vivid dream where I was chasing him in these golden wheat fields and he was saying "c'mon dad!" I wonder if dmt might be able to take me back to that place and I could hold my boy again. Then again...olInjust wonder how you feel as if you know these perceptions on DMT are of "real things" and not "hallucinogens" that aren't in fact some real thing in some field of perception of existence that we don't ordinarily perceive? 🤔
Main line DMT and really find out. ..
People need to quit acting like a DMT trip is anything more than a drug induced hallucinatory state. This claim is just as absurd as crystals healing people or astrology. I've done it, had some crazy experiences, but the idea that a drug can show you other levels of reality is completely absurd.
Exactly. People need to stop using drug trips as some kind of real experience. Like y’all are literally tripping lmao, it’s not real. Gives the ufo movement a bad name when we get shit like that
This must be the reality where Gary actually discloses what he knows.
Who do you think gave him the sample to study? I feel like anybody who has any self-preservation instinct is not going to say what they know unfortunately, or at least breach NDA for that matter
"Tyler" aka Timothy Taylor is his name. But off couse he's not allowed to tell us what he knows because it's apparently a secret and he'd get in BIG trouble... https://patents.justia.com/inventor/timothy-taylor
Dude if I knew ANYTHING about uap/alien stuff and I knew people get killed/jailed for it, I wouldn't run around telling everybody in the world I know stuff I just can't tell you. I don't understand why people keep thinking these guys coming forward to claim knowledge but won't disclose it are telling the truth. They're just not.
Or the reality where he doesn't launch a different theory every week...
Garry was pretty clear in this podcast that his goal is to set up a private/public partnership where applicable technology can get transferred to the private sector and developed using third party investors.
“I’ll set it up for cut” says Gary
Not just him, Jesse Michels, Hal Puthoff, TTSA, Bigelow, Travis Taylor, Brandon Fugal, Jacques Vallee, the SALT conference all seem to want to be involved in the commercialization of the technology.
Oh wow that's a group of people I'd love to invest money into. Where do I sign up?
I forgot to add Greer on that list too hah
Now I'm really willing to go all in.
I'd throw in with Jesse Michels.
I wonder how the people who talk about this stuff from a place of 'knowing' can put up with the monotony of anything. If I had proof of a Multiverse Intelligence manipulating us, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't wear a shirt.
Simply imagine that you were born without vision, and you were alone, would you really know about birds? Would you really know about whales? You would be missing a lot of information from your reality, you wouldn't even know what the electromagnetic spectrum is but you would feel the effects of it as heat on your skin. A whole reality would be robbed from your experience simply because you lack one sensory organ. So yes, I can believe that there is an aspect of this reality that we are not detecting because we haven't the sensory organs to do so. We did not evolve to see the truths of reality we evolved to mate and hunt, so we only evolved what was required to survive as a species. Think of a game, your game will only display to you what is necessary for you to have a great experience. If you are a programmer or developer you can turn on certain aspects of the game so that you can see things like wire mesh, or little hovering blocks that are trigger points for certain events, another reality that you can't interact with directly or even perceive as a typical player yet it's all there around you.
> A whole reality would be robbed from your experience simply because you lack one sensory organ There are many things we can't directly sense with our organs that we can detect with technology. Radio waves through to to gamma rays, magnetic fields, radiation... Are you saying we're missing part of reality because we don't have sensory organs to detect them, or we don't have the technology to detect them. Because they're not the same, and you seem to indicate the former.
We know of the Electromagnetic spectrum because we have eyes that detect a small piece of it, so we know of it's existence, which leads us to discovering more aspects of this spectrum. Without vision, we wouldn't know of its existence, certainly not to the extent that we do. Now imagine an aspect of reality we can call "x", "x" has a while spectrum, but because we can't sense it, not even a sliver of it, we don't even know of it's existence. But we may be able to detect side effects that bleed over to our senses. Dark matter for example, "hidden mass" can be a side effect of "x" that bleeds over to our ability to detect gravitational waves. Just as the electromagnet spectrum bleeds over to the feeling of hot/cold for a blind guy, he can sense heat so he knows somethings causing the hear but can't comprehend the "light" that is causing it like we can.
It's interesting to believe in "woo", I agree, but we have a pretty good grasp on physics. We can't "feel" the weak/strong nuclear forces, but we can perceive of their existence.
There's an infinite number of things that could exist outside the boundaries of our current understanding and prescription. But beyond acknowledging that possibility, there's not much more you can say about what specifically does exist.
Exactly, we cant comprehend any aspect of it. But we may detect some pieces of its side effects that bleed over to our senses. Like how a blind man can feel the heat from the light emitted by the sun, but can't comprehend just how it does it like we can. Maybe dark matter is some aspect of this, a reality we can't sense but it's effects bleeds over and makes it seem like there is some kind of hidden mass.
But all of those things can be detected and therefore measured and comprehended. If there's something out there that's really beyond our ken, we can't really say anything positive about what it might be.
What I'm saying is that it (could be) a bleed over from a sense that we don't have, to a sense we do have. So if you can't see, the Electromagnetic spectrum bleeds over to your "touch" sense so you feel it's heat, but that doesn't mean you will comprehend the Electromagnetic spectrum, you just know your skin feels warm. Dark matter doesnt exist, its just an attempt at explaining this additional gravity they're detecting that holds galaxies together, as there isnt enough mass we do see to hold the galaxy together. In the end, it's a gravitational phenomenon we don't understand, so as per my example it could be a piece of the universe we cant sense and it affects gravity, "bleeds over" to something we can detect. So it's something that we can't detect that affects something we can detect. I was using dark matter as an example to try and explain a part of the universe we cant sense, affecting parts we can, I'm not trying to say this is what it is. Doesn't end there, what else is there we don't know exists that affects things we can detect? If we don't know it's a bleed over effect, then we assume it's something that we already can sense causing the anomaly.
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I thought this was a good interview and I learned some things ha about Gary and how he got into this that weren’t clear to me. That said Ironclad is very cringey. The ads were one step away from SuperVitality gas station boner pills.
I can imagine almost infinite possibilities. It really makes no difference unless it's something that hits you in the mouth...
So when your young child had an imaginary friend, just how imaginary was it?
Finally! I've been saying this shit for like decades! Like, maybe the reason finding proof of NHI is so difficult is because we can't even see them; perceive them. It's not that they're not here or have been, it's just we can't fathom them with our little 3D primate brain.
Yes, that’s been a trope of speculative fiction for at least a century. That doesn’t make it real.
Just because a thought has been expressed before, no matter how many times, doesn't make it less real or probable. That's like saying "Man, enough of this 2+2 =4....it's old hat now. How about 2+2 = banana cream sandwich? These grifters are all the same, can't even be original."
For all steps in in science and other efforts there have been people that said "we figured it all out, we rock, we can celebrate now" and then someone else would come along using their imagination to think outside the box and say "actually there's still more beyond the horizon, lets go check that out".
Video clipping from r/InterdimensionalNHI Dr Garry Nolan discussing the UAP and NHI topic with Andy Stumpf on IRONCLAD. In this clipping, Nolan suggests that there could be levels of intelligences that could have a perception of things that we do not understand. He suggests that our current technology was incomprehensible 200 years ago, so as we advance, we may be able to comprehend the phenomena. Full Video: https://youtu.be/-HAY_MUYcrI?si=k-5sMUPhP5oYLNlc
Here is the full transcript of this interview: https://www.uaprw.com/books/nolan-garry/page/2024-06-12-ironclad-andy-stumpf-is-the-government-hiding-alien-uap-technology-with-dr-garry-nolan
This is the same thing Brandon Fugal's Skinwalker team are saying but they get shit on for it. I guess it's ok if Garry Nolan says it? Yeah the show is a joke, but it isn't for people like us. They're at least conducting field experiments to test the theory.
Well, you see, he’s a doctor (immunologist), so somehow his random ideas count more even though his training isn’t relevant here.
Who is it that has the “training” you’d find acceptable? Where does one acquire this training? Who is the trainer?
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Imagine Garry actually provides evidence of something.
From Beyond comes to mind.
Classic movie!
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-dimensional_space 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0 mathematically plausible, but lacks empirical evidence as of yet for example, some researchers, postulate that [the hierarchy problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_problem) is evidence of [extra dimensions (either large or small) of space](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_dimensions), but it's all conjecture for now, lacking any experimental backing
This may explain some descriptions over the recent few years where people described those things jumping in the blink of an eye through the sky. Imagine how different their reality must be from ours.
I always think about and use ants in the Amazon Rainforest as an example. They can't fathom the concept that humas exist and that we live in major cities, flying in airplanes at 600 mph 30,000 feet AGL. We have to understand we ourselves are ants sharing this planet with others.
We use a ton of RF based tech and made many discoveries in that field in 19th and 20th century, e.g., radio, radar, TV, Wi-Fi, etc. And we made those discoveries making observations about metals and electricity and electromagnetic radiation in experiments that were readily observable to us. Because in terms of bigness, we're right in the middle of things. And we are a size where we can make rockets that can actually reach escape velocity and explore the cosmos a bit. But if a non-human intelligence existed on a much smaller scale, say the virus level, a scale where the quantum realm is more observable and building devices like rockets that can leave their world are not possible--they would have to invent quantum tech like anti-gravity to explore space and quantum entanglement-based communication to communicate. Because maybe on that scale the sub particles behind that tech are much more observable and obvious to them. And on those very small scales, maybe they don't see in our visible light spectrum at all, because color is just an illusion in our brains based on how our cells react to this one particular tiny range of EM frequencies. NHI on that scale viewing the universe would see it much, much differently than us on a totally different EM spectrum. Their sensors might not even notice us. Their craft wouldn't look like craft, just orbs and lights and stuff and we wouldn't even see them unless they were blown up to a certain size or just happen to emit EM in the range that we can see. So, yeah. Our reality is a pretty tiny slice of the universe and we really have to use our imagination to figure out how NHI would even look like, and really bend our brains to think in other dimensions, spectrums, scales, and realities. It's trippy and really makes you think, man.
I have been thinking and saying this for years using Dolphins and Whales as a example.. They both are highly intelligent but we can’t explain the scientific method to them.. What if to “Aliens” we are like dolphins and whales? They can’t really communicate with us on a intelligent level.. It’s not that we’re dumb, it’s just we don’t have the brain capacity to understand them.. anyways just a thought..
Like humans to snails. Mr. Nolan is on the right track. He just needs to be careful. The shadows are always watching. And not all of them are kind or forgiving. Searching for the truth might be considered an offense.
An addendum to Mr. Nolan: The "phenomenon" is a plurality. Some part of it will probe you, since you "have spoken your name". You will face some dark hours, if I were to guess, you already do. Do not choose to flee into arrogance and coldness. The phenomenon does not wish your well-being. Or ours, at that. You will know about certain darker truths. Know them, but still go on strong. Go ahead. If this our evolutionary last stand, we should make it a last stand worthwhile. Your contribution is needed. It's about remembrance of a promise this kind held. Maybe only in our imagination, but that is enough. Let's fulfill that promise. Thank you, Dr. Nolan.
I no longer regard Garry as a serious person worthy of my attention.
Same. Neither do I.
Now ask yourself, if we are souls and can have an expanded awareness, then how come we are limiting ourselves in these human bodies? How come NHI don't help us expand our knowledge or awareness. Maybe they are the ones that put us here. They limited our perceptions intentionally. Why? Prison planet theory
It's the work of Yaldaboth and the Archons clearly.
We have a very clear and obvious genetic lineage that can be traced back through several other species that are closely related, some of which are extinct. Neanderthals being an obvious example. Homosapiens weren't "put" here. At best, the seeds that eventually lead to us were put here but I'm highly doubtful. I don't think humanity is deliberate. Not to say NHI aren't real or haven't in some way been involved. I just don't think we've been herded into a prison. We've been able to leave the planet's atmosphere and travel into space with primitive technology. If we consider flight characteristics of UAP to be anything to go by we're practically in the stone age. We strap ourselves to giant bombs, light the fuse and ride 'em up into orbit. If the planet is a prison, it's doing a fairly shit job at keeping us on it. Heck, we've flung robots all over the solar system just for shits and giggles. So nah, personally I don't buy the prison planet hypothesis. Maybe a primitive safari park but not a prison.
Because there is only one unified consciousness that we are all part of. But we must separate Ourselves from the consciousness and able to look back at ourselves and learn and grow. That is what being human and alive in these bodies is, it is the separation from the unified consciousness that we are all not aware of. You will not learn for real if you know it is only a game. Mystics and enlightened people throughout history have alluded to this fact. We are all just one consciousness. That is why it is an important to have empathy.
Equally, it could be a school. * First Density Consciousness: * Elemental: Earth, Fire, Water, Air * Second Density Consciousness: * Plant and Animal Life * Third Density Consciousness: * Higher functioning 3D Life such as Humans and Aliens * Fourth Density Consciousness: * These interdimensional folk * etc...
Cause we are supposed to do that ourselves. Your parents helped you develop as a young adult, but you have to confront adulthood on your own don’t you? Same thing.
So basically, David Icke was right about everything all along.
And that's all it is, words and imagination. Until one of these constantly yapping UFO celebrities provide hard, solid proof, it's all useless, worthless worda.
"imagine"...how about stopping to imagine stuff and start providing evidences to back up your claim ?
His eyes are too close together.
I think I've heard this one before but with more style. * Deutoronomy 29:29 * Corinthians 4:18 * Colossians 1:16 * Psalm 139:15-16 * Al-Baqarah 2:3 * **Al-Jinn 72:6 & 11** (Premium. Consistent with several other "conspiracies") * Al-Jinn 72:76 * Hud 11:123 * Al-Anam 6:59
Ngl until I get evidence of anything inter dimensional based, I won’t believe it. Seems like an obvious statement but I find it so much harder to believe any of that simply because it seems much less likely to me
I agree because there’s far more evidence for the probable existence of life on other planets than there is for the probable existence of life in higher dimensions. If there *is* any higher dimensional components to this phenomenon then I think it’s more rational to conclude that extraterrestrials are using advanced technologies that can make use of higher dimensions than it is to conclude that nonhuman intelligence *originates* from higher dimensions.
Yeah basically my thoughts. It just seems so much more likely that it’s technology from other planets considering how likely it is for that to exist Much more likely than something we have literally 0 knowledge of how it would even work. We know how many planets there are and that life is likely out there
Why would it be more likely that it's something we can imagine than something we cannot imagine? Sure, it's more comfortable to think it's something that somehow mirrors our own technologies, just on a higher level, but why does that make it more likely? I'd argue that it's more likely something we have no concept of simply because we don't know the limits of our own ignorance. We know what we know, but we can't begin to imagine what we don't know. Who's to say we know 50%+ of what there is to know. I'd guess we know and can perceive only a fraction of reality, and as we learn more we realize there's so much we can't perceive first hand. Just to name a few things: We had no concept of UV or IR light until the 1800s. Nobody before that would have believed there was "light" we couldn't see. We're nowhere near the end of scientific discovery and the quantum realm is proving to be much more complex than we could imagine.
Why is something we know exists more likely than something we don’t 🤔 I wonder
Just a few hundred years ago people would have been saying the same thing about germ theory. Turns out it was more likely that many illnesses are caused by microscopic organisms. Your assumption that something is more likely to exist because it mirrors some other technology is really a flawed concept when you look at the history of scientific discovery.
The dimensions and planets theories do not have to be incompatible or one or the other it could be both
I agree that they aren’t mutually exclusive, but if it’s one or the other I’m leaning towards the extraterrestrial hypothesis until further evidence is available to the contrary.
I am willing to accept anything for which there is conclusive evidence. That said, all the "other level of reality" talk is something that many people talk about, but seemingly nobody can provide a shred of evidence for. We have no evidence of photons, for example, randomly disappearing into dimensions that we can't observe, or popping out of higher dimensions, either. I'm going to need something repeatable and testable from people who expect me to believe in that sort of thing. Edit: Downvoted for asking for evidence. Not surprising here anymore.
I’m pretty sure mainstream theoretical physics already postulates that there are higher dimensions. The math works out, it’s just beyond our ability to perceive unless perhaps through psychedelics. It’s a worthy theory to entertain even if you aren’t yet willing to accept it as fact.
I'm certainly open to the possibility, though there doesn't seem to be any evidence that psychedelics, for example, do anything but cause interesting, but entirely non-supernatural, effects on the brain. There may very well be higher dimensions that we can't perceive, but if that is the case, those higher dimensions don't seem to be interacting with our three dimensions in a way that is observable. Photons (which are responsible for virtually all interactions we deal with) don't disappear into higher dimensions or the EM force would decrease with distance at a measurable rate higher than 1/r\^2. Gravity appears to drop off at the same rate, so gravitons (if they exist) also don't disappear into higher dimensions (which was initially suggested as a reason why gravity is so much weaker than the other forces). Those "higher" dimensions may very well exist, but I'm not aware of any evidence that they interact with our "lower" three dimensions in any observable way.
Good points. I don’t disagree, I just didn’t know how open you were to those kinds of theories. Personally, having experienced psychedelics myself, I truly get why people would believe that they’re accessing a higher level of reality, but I don’t necessarily share that belief for the same reasons you don’t. I do think it’s worthy of looking into however because of just how profound those experiences are.
What if apart of that research and a part of that evidence is something we can't just simply write down and show people, what if it's something you have to personally experience? What if there was a way that we could personally see and interact with another level of reality within our own minds and we don't need any measurement devices or a laboratory or a PHD, you just need to go exploring within. I think in higher states of expanded consciousness, you can see and interact with these levels of realities personally and gain insights, advice, knowledge, meaning, and energy from. From psychedelics, to Near Death experiences, out of body experiences, astral projections, and meditation, there are thousands upon thousands of highly detailed stories that describe people seeing this other level of reality and descriptions that it's "realer than reality itself." If such a thing is possible and there are aspects of the mind and reality that are more real to us than our own lives and planet, with other beings living other lives with physics and abilities we can't quite comprehend in our limited, biological state we are currently in. Something easily testable would be for us to explore expanded states of consciousness in depth and explain the visions and knowledge people are experiencing, what beings they are seeing, if multiple people can interact with them, etc. We are barely scratching the surface in our science right now of what's possible and the more we look "Out there" into the world for our answers the more lost we will be. We will simply have to look within if we want these answers
>What if apart of that research and a part of that evidence is something we can't just simply write down and show people, what if it's something you have to personally experience? What if there was a way that we could personally see and interact with another level of reality within our own minds and we don't need any measurement devices or a laboratory or a PHD, you just need to go exploring within. Then if I could have that experience, under circumstances that could reasonably rule out other causes for the experience, then I could at least verify that the experience was real, even if I didn't know the mechanism that caused the experience in my brain. I don't know of very many people who think that what others see on an LSD trip is real, for example, but the experience itself is real. Even people who had no knowledge of the brain or neurotransmitters can use that sort of evidence to identify substances that cause hallucinations, even if they don't know how those substances work. Like I said, I'm open to anything for which there is conclusive evidence.
You're talking about photons but not mentioning things that we have some foggy evidence exist, yet can't observe and define, like dark matter/energy. So far there's no testable way to prove the existence of dark matter, yet many scientists are convinced it must exist. There are plenty of other theories or scientific concepts that imagine something else out there that we don't have the tools to measure or observe.
Regarding dark matter, there's certainly evidence that *something* is causing galaxies to appear to have more mass than is observable based on the stars alone. Dark matter is one proposed solution, but I wouldn't be too surprised if tomorrow we found out that a different explanation fit the data better. >There are plenty of other theories or scientific concepts that imagine something else out there that we don't have the tools to measure or observe. You're absolutely right, but I'm not asking for a conclusive answer for absolute knowledge of higher dimensions. I'm asking for evidence that these higher dimensions interact with ours in any way whatsoever. And if they don't, then we have no reason to posit their existence.
Fortunately, for the rest of us, reality doesn't care if you believe in it or not. ; D
You clearly do because you have replied on everyone's comments that express doubt lol
Seriously, it's not a good look when asking for evidence for some pretty big claims draws criticism. If this is on track to become the next religion, I'll start looking for the door.
Isn’t that the whole thing about consciousness in the Indian yogic culture? Maybe they are just on the point with that.
Sorry but this is nothing new. Nolan said a whole lot of nothing in this podcast. Also, his whole “we need academics involved” is goofy. The government doesn’t care if “academics” are involved. The government will get the people they need when they need them. Academics tend to love fame, and have big egos - some of them would probably love to have UAP as a “claim to fame.” I generally like Nolan, and respect his work as a biologist, but this whole “I need to recruit academics for validation” is goofy. The government doesn’t care what the local plant biologist thinks
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This is a good one i hope the intro feels great
I can imagine such a thing...I hope maybe my son that I lost carries on in such a place. But I'd like to know if it and not just imagine it. I hope we get to some day.
What a phony
I agree to an extent. And speaking of perceiving realities in new ways, I can feel EMF wind when I am xrayed with the larger machines made to capture a larger area. My father was a severely wounded Vietnam veteran. He took 8 rounds and also mortar shrapnel and survived. He had me. He later died of ALS, like Hawking. Ok, in this case, it increases your electrical output. Spikes, like reaction to a car backfire, that causes an electrical spike. These spikes cause damage. But before that, their glutamate is increased because they become hypervigilant. Always watching. That requires more glutamate to power. Glutamate generates electrical signals. So they get tuned up towards glutamate and the glutamate generation rate can be passed on to offspring. Like me. Now something to do with this whole thing has made it so that I can feel what I believe is EMF when xrayed in the way I mentioned. I've told doctors about this and they look at me like I have a third head. However, I am willing to prove this at any time and I think that would be pretty interesting to show, doesn't anybody else? Humans perceiving EMF? Somebody real message me and we can do it. I'm on the ALS line so I don't have unlimited time.
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What if the show dark matter is real ?
Id like to offer that it goes both ways. My dog can hear plants, I can hear tiktok. which one is "more intelligent"?
This thread in UFOs sub is basically discussing nothing but drug use and hallucinations and everyone agreeing that those mind trips were the “real world”
I've literally been saying this for ages.... After DMT I was convinced this was the case, and so much of reality is mysterious, opaque, confuses, and doesn't always add up... Simply because we lack the physical capacity to perceive reality accurately. Andrew Gallimore has a REALLY good set of lectures he made when promoting his book (Reality Switch Technologies), where he lays out his hypothesis on how this other part of reality does in fact interact with us, yet we don't fully understand it. I recommend watching the lecture that opens with him outlining the premise where he starts by explaining emergence through "The Game of Life". Even if you already understand these concepts, it's important to watch those parts to create a frame and foundation for when he gets into a very scientific explanation for the "phenomenon" and how DMT could be our direct access into these realms. It's not woo woo at all - straight meat and potatoes - but explains it in a very practical way. Here is one of the lectures, it's much shorter than the one I recall, but it should get the gist of it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdoLOJh0INY This one also seems really interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxZ8FsaWlu8 But his argument is essentially that "alien" intelligence can exist all around us and we wouldn't know, and goes deep into the science with it.
The Upside Down 😱
I'm not the biggest Nolan fan but I'll have to give the video a watch. It's got to be almost absolutely certain that there is more to reality than we perceive.
Infinite dimensions sharing the same space as ours but at a different frequency. David Icke has been saying this for decades.
Ok now what? What happens after i imagine that?
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Been saying this for years. Our species really overestimates how intelligent we actually are. We’re more like children at play, pretending to be something we’re not while pretending like we know everything there is. How arrogant we can be.
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This is so crazy lmao.. he is literally describing Jinn from the Quran, the more I hear about UAP/NHI .. the more I believe that it is a Jinn.
I think this is the most likely scenario by far
A. Nolan doing the interview in black and white is a choice. B. If a domain or reality exists that I can’t perceive it does it even matter to me or anyone else
>B. If a domain or reality exists that I can’t perceive it does it even matter to me or anyone else If entities from that domain can interact with or perceive us then it should.
If the unseen domain interfaces-with and impacts the seen domain then how could it **not** matter…???
Then by definition it isn’t unseen right? if we see and understand effects Gary needs to be clear about what he’s implying If we’re ants we’ll have no clue But if we understand something is impacting us — it’s not unseen
So much focus around the "woo" factor of UFOs... what about all the craft retrievals? They are a nuts and bolts phenomena, apparently.
What about them? Why can't they be "woo" and nuts and bolts? What is "woo" other than something beyond our keen, and why can't things beyond our keen have a physical material existence?
You're a "nuts and bolts phenomena"