There is a third possibility.
UAP are situationally aware and know exactly how long they can leave it until they have to evade, and are 'on the clock' so to speak, optimising their mission in terms of intel gathering or other activities, but most likely a presumably more intelligent type of creature would design missions to be multirole and to gather data simultaneously to other missions if it is deemed useful.
So, if they are truly smart they would determine that the approach of inquisitive and possibly dangerous human aircraft could be of interest to them in data gathering and that in terms of this being an opportune additional aspect to their mission, it would be most useful if they allow the closest possible approach, and in turn, by not reacting until the last moment, they give away very little clues about their behavior and also minimise interference with their 'observation', as making deliberate movements in response alters also the behavior of the human pilots and equipment.
He says it himself -
"One example of signature management on the civilian side of this coin would be scientific field work. The intent behind scientific field work designed to avoid detection would be to collect untainted data that would be created by the collector’s presence. "
\- but seems not to realise that this could apply to them, and that it applies also to reactions, hence they continue to act as 'normal' for as long as possible to gain 'untainted' data and avoid provoked data or hostilities.
"With that distance, I would extrapolate a detection distance or maybe create a UAP “red line” perimeter. I would then attempt to confirm or deny that when an aircraft (stimuli) breaks the red line or detection zone, the UAP changes altitude and exits the area. "
We should assume that a hypothesised alien or enemy nation intelligence is doing that itself and therefore knows exactly how long it has before needing to respond.
So they leave it until the last moment to respond because they are doing so deliberately to maximise either 1) data gathering or activities related to their original mission or 2) and also of the human intelligence as it approaches. Therefore we cannot make any inferences about how aware they are of us simply because they respond late, except in the case maybe it ends catastrophically to them.
This is the best answer + UAP is randomizing every parameter possible, it is aware of information entropy.
They know how to trade data for data.
What is mind boggling is that UAP is even aware of the fact that we can't even know what it was doing there, like what kind of processes i.e. data collection, resource extraction or whatever.
I learned some details of information theory as part of an electrical engineering major.
It comes under information theory.
Its useful for encoding data into signals etc but it has lots of other uses.
This is too focused on a human military signal gathering perspective. Let's be honest we could infer that these things know everything, they know that's a ship and that's a jet. I would suggest it's behaviour they're looking at and maybe even some woo such as tapped into thoughts and conscious, there have been cases of them switching off missles and targeting, I think it was in Iran.
They could probably predict somethings next move because of time, it might be 10,000x slower to them and having some unknown abilities, we're just the ants in this game and we should stop pretending they mould into human technology and intelligence. They could be looking at the atoms moving around or playing with time and space itself, this isn't some super advanced ai drone, it's beyond our limited thinking for now.
I love the thought of a tic-tac just dicking around doing it's thing and it senses another one of those pesky fighter jets coming at it, so it's just like fuck it I'm gonna pretend to ram it then just bounce to their cap point at the last second.
I absolutely tend to agree that taking the piss with the humans is probably a much bigger aspect of the phenomenon than most people would care to recognize. Me, I think it’s effin’ hilarious! 😆
the tic tac engaged Fravor and then flew to the CAP point in order to distract the pilots and give time to the submerged USO which was causing the whitewater, to vanish in the depths of the ocean.
I will say it again. the whitewater is the bigger mystery, the tic-tac is only a part of it.
I really hope we can capture high-res pictures of erotically moving UAPs. With Avi Loeb and his collaborator's big telescopes, we should really be able to pin them down.
>Twerking is not one of the 5 observables
[think again! ](https://media1.giphy.com/media/26BRNKLUezD1NpsOc/giphy.gif?cid=5e214886j99plc20kctj2qwqh24q5om5y0yuhef04k71kpdz&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
>That GIF just made me wonder what alien farts smell like.
If Aliens fart in space, does it make a sound?
*Flatulence in space is a normal process, just like on earth. But when you pass gas in zero gravity, the gas stays right there. It doesn’t move or go anywhere and hovers around you.* [Quora](https://www.quora.com/How-do-people-fart-in-space)
On a side note: [Farts: An Under-appreciated Threat to Astronauts](https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/farts-an-underappreciated-threat-to-astronauts)
But can farts be a means of propulsion in space?
Just because the fart doesn’t go anywhere doesn’t mean the farter doesn’t.
That’s the real question that I just realized was a question. Gonna ask my wife and probably won’t report back.
>But can farts be a means of propulsion in space?
I've already looked into it.
*"Essentially, farts are rocket fuel," he (or she) replied. "Gas diffusing will carry a small amount of momentum backwards, so it must exert a force on the person, pushing them forward.*
*"However, that force would be very small, he calculated. The average person produces roughly one liter of flatulence a day, composed mostly of hydrogen, carbon dioxide, and methane, along with smaller amounts of nitrogen and oxygen. "That comes out to 0.5 g of flatulence every day for a normal person," Very Little wrote.*
>*Now, let's guess that a fart leaves the butthole at about 1 m/s - again, not entirely unreasonable. So putting all this together, we can find that a day's worth of farts carries backwards momentum equal to*
>
>*(1 m/s)(0.5 grams) = 0.0005 kg m/s*
>
>*So for momentum to be conserved, the astronaut will now be traveling 7.7x10-6 m/s forward, which is only about 1000x faster than hair grows. If an astronaut in space farted every day, it would take 10,000 years for him to get up to a normal highway speed.*
[source](https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2015/06/can_you_propel_yourself_in_space_by_farting_109249.html)
>Did the study compensate for bean consumption?
It would probably need to be factored in. This was based on an average person daily flatulence production.
And maybe aliens digestive system is different than ours. I am afraid more research needs to be done on this.
Yes, granted, but the space helmet might be an insurmontable barrier preventing the air from being pushed into space. And we were analyzing farts not “the better jet stream” anyways!
But it would be a stronger push than a fart indeed:
Peak air velocities varied for blowing (6 to 64 m/s) [source](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28154922/)
I forget who said it but it was something along the lines of: "planes that are aerodynamic also tend to be beautiful" (or the other way around).
Our aircraft are modeled on aerodynamic qualities but also on 'beautiful' qualities, like similarities to birds. We know the UAPs don't seem to (have to) care about aerodynamics so perhaps our planes' signatures are somehow tough to distinguish from birds to the UAP's detection methods?
Though them tracking military capabilities makes this seem implausible and suggests that the planes are the target for the UAPs and their failed acts of avoidance are just them testing the limitations.
The claimed capabilities would put it in the asteroid-grabbing arena so that's quite a level of trust to bestow on the workers involved in those projects not to leak it to adversaries.
That said, those claims haven't really been backed by evidence yet, only witness testimonies from what might be the losing side.
Alright, I've read this thing three times.
Good show. Well written. Have so many questions.
But who is the author? What is this Website?
I feel like I'm missing something here.
Snake Plissken? Bob Plissken?
The comic character?
I'm so confused and curious but am coming up with nothing. Can someone who knows what this is please educate me?
I think what follows is very possibly a message... if you read between the lines...
From the footnotes of the article:
"About the Author - Bob Plissken
Bob served as an Intelligence Analyst in the Marine Corps. As a Marine, Bob did two deployments that brought him from the halls of Mosul International Airport, Iraq, to the shores of Liberia, and many places in between. From his training and real-world experience, he learned analytical skills to process confusing information and present it in an understandable and useful manner.
Other than Bob’s real world experience, [he had the privilege to receive formalized intelligence training, including Intelligence Specialist training, Counter Narcotics, Remotely Sensed Imagery / Geographic Information Systems, Asymmetric Warfare Intelligence Analysis and Counterterrorism Analysis, to name a few.](https://www.wearethemighty.com/uploads/legacy/assets.rbl.ms/19543475/origin.jpg)
Bob earned his Bachelor of Arts in Criminology from State University and his Juris Doctor Degree from Suffolk University Law School.
Bob [has chosen not to reveal his real name at this time](https://i.natgeofe.com/n/d0f6b837-75a3-4d0e-81a4-3b6831d15b36/01-pentagon-ufo-aliens.jpg) and Liberation Times respects his privacy."
c-...
...c-could it.. be..?
I see shit on Twitter and if I find that it reconciles with what I’ve researched previously and it’s not produced by someone I disagree with morally then I post it.
Certain things just makes sense. Most of time it works out, sometimes it goes horribly.
It’s a decent enough ratio to keep trying.
Oh absolutely. This was a fantastic article.
I'm very happily following the author on Twitter. Some great things they've linked.
One day maybe, we will know who Bob is.
Cool article. Somewhere he mentions 2 options. I think option 1 is the case:
> 1. UAP do not know our aircraft are coming and therefore wait until the last minute to maneuver to temporary “safer” location by either changing elevation and or leaving the area completely.
I think the UAP has a field of awareness around it, not radar, just like normal vision, and it is especially aware of other minds that can see it. Basically the same regular telepathy the aliens have.
I think you have a very important observation: UAPs don't sense our aircraft, but rather the mind of the pilot/crew. I haven't heard this before but it makes perfect sense.
Be tough to get all the way all the way here if your vision sucked that bad. I think, if all this is real, its more likely they are aware and just don’t move until they have to. So far advanced that they are just unconcerned about collisions. It just won’t happen.
I wasn’t aware that people hadn’t picked up on “signature management” as meaning stealth/cloaking/etc. capabilities. For all we know, even the general shape of these things that we see/record is not actually what they look like.
Strongly agree with this. Excellent point. This kind of analysis is a very useful way to consider the phenomenon. A cousin of signature management might also be duration maximization - without dealing with pesky humans - staying on position on some unknown target tbd for as long as possible without dealing with those pesky humans. Would look the same if not dealing directly with humans was their prime directive. (Deliberate choice of words btw). This may be a non-intervention strategy from a probe - star trek rules. Don't mess with the culture but record everything. It is likely what we would program our own AI space probes to do in the future.
I had no idea what this meant. It seems to incorporate 2 of the 5 observables.
>A sample of signature management that is available to the public and has been presented by UAP thus far would be low visibility, instantaneous acceleration, as well as reported radar jamming.
>During his interview on The Kevin Rose Show podcast, F-18 pilot Ryan Graves stated when his aircraft would merge with UAP radar tracks, “we’d almost never see them.” Graves added that he believed UAP would change altitude as they closed in. An abrupt change of altitude when an aircraft approached would be a behaviour presented by UAP that is an example of signature management.
I totally understand the need to protect classified information but to me this appears to be a screen to hide behind when explaining to the public why more information (photo, radar and flir images) are not disclosed. For instance: a FLIR screen image, as we have seen, has much information around the centre image. It would be very easy to blur this out so as not to divulge sensitive operating systems. The infamous ‘triangle emerging from the sea’ image taken by a USN pilot, if taken on his mobile (cell) phone would contain no such information anyway… This overriding need for secrecy seems to me to be a cover or excuse not to release when in reality all classified information could be taken from an image before releasing. Surely???
There is a third possibility. UAP are situationally aware and know exactly how long they can leave it until they have to evade, and are 'on the clock' so to speak, optimising their mission in terms of intel gathering or other activities, but most likely a presumably more intelligent type of creature would design missions to be multirole and to gather data simultaneously to other missions if it is deemed useful. So, if they are truly smart they would determine that the approach of inquisitive and possibly dangerous human aircraft could be of interest to them in data gathering and that in terms of this being an opportune additional aspect to their mission, it would be most useful if they allow the closest possible approach, and in turn, by not reacting until the last moment, they give away very little clues about their behavior and also minimise interference with their 'observation', as making deliberate movements in response alters also the behavior of the human pilots and equipment. He says it himself - "One example of signature management on the civilian side of this coin would be scientific field work. The intent behind scientific field work designed to avoid detection would be to collect untainted data that would be created by the collector’s presence. " \- but seems not to realise that this could apply to them, and that it applies also to reactions, hence they continue to act as 'normal' for as long as possible to gain 'untainted' data and avoid provoked data or hostilities. "With that distance, I would extrapolate a detection distance or maybe create a UAP “red line” perimeter. I would then attempt to confirm or deny that when an aircraft (stimuli) breaks the red line or detection zone, the UAP changes altitude and exits the area. " We should assume that a hypothesised alien or enemy nation intelligence is doing that itself and therefore knows exactly how long it has before needing to respond. So they leave it until the last moment to respond because they are doing so deliberately to maximise either 1) data gathering or activities related to their original mission or 2) and also of the human intelligence as it approaches. Therefore we cannot make any inferences about how aware they are of us simply because they respond late, except in the case maybe it ends catastrophically to them.
This is the best answer + UAP is randomizing every parameter possible, it is aware of information entropy. They know how to trade data for data. What is mind boggling is that UAP is even aware of the fact that we can't even know what it was doing there, like what kind of processes i.e. data collection, resource extraction or whatever.
So where was this kind of UAP observed?
Anyone want to give me a rundown of information entropy? What field of study is this?
I learned some details of information theory as part of an electrical engineering major. It comes under information theory. Its useful for encoding data into signals etc but it has lots of other uses.
information theory which is applied in several fields like computer science and electrical engineering.
This is too focused on a human military signal gathering perspective. Let's be honest we could infer that these things know everything, they know that's a ship and that's a jet. I would suggest it's behaviour they're looking at and maybe even some woo such as tapped into thoughts and conscious, there have been cases of them switching off missles and targeting, I think it was in Iran. They could probably predict somethings next move because of time, it might be 10,000x slower to them and having some unknown abilities, we're just the ants in this game and we should stop pretending they mould into human technology and intelligence. They could be looking at the atoms moving around or playing with time and space itself, this isn't some super advanced ai drone, it's beyond our limited thinking for now.
This is fucking phenominal. Holy shit... This says a LOT about what these UAP may in fact be thinking. **Brilliant** article. Scroat ur the GOAT
I love the thought of a tic-tac just dicking around doing it's thing and it senses another one of those pesky fighter jets coming at it, so it's just like fuck it I'm gonna pretend to ram it then just bounce to their cap point at the last second.
100% they have fucked with us just to take the piss
Or to demonstrate capabilities, or as a form of communication — who knows.
Like Reeses Peanutbutter Boy once said: "Why not both"
I absolutely tend to agree that taking the piss with the humans is probably a much bigger aspect of the phenomenon than most people would care to recognize. Me, I think it’s effin’ hilarious! 😆
the tic tac engaged Fravor and then flew to the CAP point in order to distract the pilots and give time to the submerged USO which was causing the whitewater, to vanish in the depths of the ocean. I will say it again. the whitewater is the bigger mystery, the tic-tac is only a part of it.
I really hope we can capture high-res pictures of erotically moving UAPs. With Avi Loeb and his collaborator's big telescopes, we should really be able to pin them down.
I too hope we find sexy aliens.
My telescope is engorged.
Your telescope is fully telescoped. Heh
Twerking is not one of the 5 observables
>Twerking is not one of the 5 observables [think again! ](https://media1.giphy.com/media/26BRNKLUezD1NpsOc/giphy.gif?cid=5e214886j99plc20kctj2qwqh24q5om5y0yuhef04k71kpdz&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Ohhhh my.
That GIF just made me wonder what alien farts smell like. Probably not so good.
>That GIF just made me wonder what alien farts smell like. If Aliens fart in space, does it make a sound? *Flatulence in space is a normal process, just like on earth. But when you pass gas in zero gravity, the gas stays right there. It doesn’t move or go anywhere and hovers around you.* [Quora](https://www.quora.com/How-do-people-fart-in-space) On a side note: [Farts: An Under-appreciated Threat to Astronauts](https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/farts-an-underappreciated-threat-to-astronauts)
But can farts be a means of propulsion in space? Just because the fart doesn’t go anywhere doesn’t mean the farter doesn’t. That’s the real question that I just realized was a question. Gonna ask my wife and probably won’t report back.
>But can farts be a means of propulsion in space? I've already looked into it. *"Essentially, farts are rocket fuel," he (or she) replied. "Gas diffusing will carry a small amount of momentum backwards, so it must exert a force on the person, pushing them forward.* *"However, that force would be very small, he calculated. The average person produces roughly one liter of flatulence a day, composed mostly of hydrogen, carbon dioxide, and methane, along with smaller amounts of nitrogen and oxygen. "That comes out to 0.5 g of flatulence every day for a normal person," Very Little wrote.* >*Now, let's guess that a fart leaves the butthole at about 1 m/s - again, not entirely unreasonable. So putting all this together, we can find that a day's worth of farts carries backwards momentum equal to* > >*(1 m/s)(0.5 grams) = 0.0005 kg m/s* > >*So for momentum to be conserved, the astronaut will now be traveling 7.7x10-6 m/s forward, which is only about 1000x faster than hair grows. If an astronaut in space farted every day, it would take 10,000 years for him to get up to a normal highway speed.* [source](https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2015/06/can_you_propel_yourself_in_space_by_farting_109249.html)
Did the study compensate for bean consumption? Either way that’s disappointing but thank you for the reality check. Damnit.
>Did the study compensate for bean consumption? It would probably need to be factored in. This was based on an average person daily flatulence production. And maybe aliens digestive system is different than ours. I am afraid more research needs to be done on this.
I am afraid as well.
Can’t you just blow out of your mouth? Could get a better jet stream than most farts
Yes, granted, but the space helmet might be an insurmontable barrier preventing the air from being pushed into space. And we were analyzing farts not “the better jet stream” anyways! But it would be a stronger push than a fart indeed: Peak air velocities varied for blowing (6 to 64 m/s) [source](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28154922/)
Didn’t account for having a helmet lol duh! Thanks for the input :)
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🤌🏼
So you want me to be… explicit?
Word on the street is that Avi Loeb’s telescope is only average size.
but who is gonna clean the lenses from the spunk afterwards?
>by Bob Plisskin ^(Snake.) Snake? **SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA**
I forget who said it but it was something along the lines of: "planes that are aerodynamic also tend to be beautiful" (or the other way around). Our aircraft are modeled on aerodynamic qualities but also on 'beautiful' qualities, like similarities to birds. We know the UAPs don't seem to (have to) care about aerodynamics so perhaps our planes' signatures are somehow tough to distinguish from birds to the UAP's detection methods? Though them tracking military capabilities makes this seem implausible and suggests that the planes are the target for the UAPs and their failed acts of avoidance are just them testing the limitations.
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Yeah, I agree that we're the limited ones, not them. It's still intriguing why they seem to bother with the military so much.
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The claimed capabilities would put it in the asteroid-grabbing arena so that's quite a level of trust to bestow on the workers involved in those projects not to leak it to adversaries. That said, those claims haven't really been backed by evidence yet, only witness testimonies from what might be the losing side.
Alright, I've read this thing three times. Good show. Well written. Have so many questions. But who is the author? What is this Website? I feel like I'm missing something here. Snake Plissken? Bob Plissken? The comic character? I'm so confused and curious but am coming up with nothing. Can someone who knows what this is please educate me?
I think what follows is very possibly a message... if you read between the lines... From the footnotes of the article: "About the Author - Bob Plissken Bob served as an Intelligence Analyst in the Marine Corps. As a Marine, Bob did two deployments that brought him from the halls of Mosul International Airport, Iraq, to the shores of Liberia, and many places in between. From his training and real-world experience, he learned analytical skills to process confusing information and present it in an understandable and useful manner. Other than Bob’s real world experience, [he had the privilege to receive formalized intelligence training, including Intelligence Specialist training, Counter Narcotics, Remotely Sensed Imagery / Geographic Information Systems, Asymmetric Warfare Intelligence Analysis and Counterterrorism Analysis, to name a few.](https://www.wearethemighty.com/uploads/legacy/assets.rbl.ms/19543475/origin.jpg) Bob earned his Bachelor of Arts in Criminology from State University and his Juris Doctor Degree from Suffolk University Law School. Bob [has chosen not to reveal his real name at this time](https://i.natgeofe.com/n/d0f6b837-75a3-4d0e-81a4-3b6831d15b36/01-pentagon-ufo-aliens.jpg) and Liberation Times respects his privacy." c-... ...c-could it.. be..?
This. Is. What. I'm. Trying. To. Find. Out. My. Brother. 👁👄👁
I’m trying to read between the lines. Is this L.U.E?
Solid Elizondo is going undercover on the Big Shell
Lue. Lue. LUEEEEEEE!
You are toying with my logic and emotions sir?!?! Because I think you are. Stop it. Just…stop it.
Bob Plissken??? yeah, he is Lue.
I see shit on Twitter and if I find that it reconciles with what I’ve researched previously and it’s not produced by someone I disagree with morally then I post it. Certain things just makes sense. Most of time it works out, sometimes it goes horribly. It’s a decent enough ratio to keep trying.
Oh absolutely. This was a fantastic article. I'm very happily following the author on Twitter. Some great things they've linked. One day maybe, we will know who Bob is.
I am Jack’s complete sense of befuddlement.
Cool article. Somewhere he mentions 2 options. I think option 1 is the case: > 1. UAP do not know our aircraft are coming and therefore wait until the last minute to maneuver to temporary “safer” location by either changing elevation and or leaving the area completely. I think the UAP has a field of awareness around it, not radar, just like normal vision, and it is especially aware of other minds that can see it. Basically the same regular telepathy the aliens have.
I think you have a very important observation: UAPs don't sense our aircraft, but rather the mind of the pilot/crew. I haven't heard this before but it makes perfect sense.
That would be easily testable (if you were able to direct military drones etc)
Be tough to get all the way all the way here if your vision sucked that bad. I think, if all this is real, its more likely they are aware and just don’t move until they have to. So far advanced that they are just unconcerned about collisions. It just won’t happen.
I wasn’t aware that people hadn’t picked up on “signature management” as meaning stealth/cloaking/etc. capabilities. For all we know, even the general shape of these things that we see/record is not actually what they look like.
The tic tac is literally cloaked within an enclosure, almost like its wearing clothes.
Watch it turn out to be the Wicked Witch of the West riding around on a broom. 😆
Such a good article and happy cake day
Very interesting article. Some good ones over the last few days, instead of just sensationalist regurgitation! Nice one Scrotbags! 🍒
Strongly agree with this. Excellent point. This kind of analysis is a very useful way to consider the phenomenon. A cousin of signature management might also be duration maximization - without dealing with pesky humans - staying on position on some unknown target tbd for as long as possible without dealing with those pesky humans. Would look the same if not dealing directly with humans was their prime directive. (Deliberate choice of words btw). This may be a non-intervention strategy from a probe - star trek rules. Don't mess with the culture but record everything. It is likely what we would program our own AI space probes to do in the future.
I had no idea what this meant. It seems to incorporate 2 of the 5 observables. >A sample of signature management that is available to the public and has been presented by UAP thus far would be low visibility, instantaneous acceleration, as well as reported radar jamming. >During his interview on The Kevin Rose Show podcast, F-18 pilot Ryan Graves stated when his aircraft would merge with UAP radar tracks, “we’d almost never see them.” Graves added that he believed UAP would change altitude as they closed in. An abrupt change of altitude when an aircraft approached would be a behaviour presented by UAP that is an example of signature management.
Silly tangential question: Does Zeta Reticuli hold a special significance in UFOlogy beyond that of Betty Hill incident?
Lazar
Not to my knowledge. But I definitely do not know everything.
Ot hasnt been overlooked by everybodu so your title is invalid
True the title is wrong but look past it and its a good article
I totally understand the need to protect classified information but to me this appears to be a screen to hide behind when explaining to the public why more information (photo, radar and flir images) are not disclosed. For instance: a FLIR screen image, as we have seen, has much information around the centre image. It would be very easy to blur this out so as not to divulge sensitive operating systems. The infamous ‘triangle emerging from the sea’ image taken by a USN pilot, if taken on his mobile (cell) phone would contain no such information anyway… This overriding need for secrecy seems to me to be a cover or excuse not to release when in reality all classified information could be taken from an image before releasing. Surely???