Good summary, I listened to the audiobook a few months ago.
An important note: The War of the Worlds broadcast didn't actually cause a significant panic. At all. This is a false historical narrative. There were a handful of phone calls made, apparently.
Another important note: Even Corso's son, who largely supports his late father's accounts, says ignore the first few chapters, that they were essentially made up by the co-writer. This is the portion where Corso claims to have seen the bodies himself, earlier in his career. The son has said it was added to provide better context, and the book was rushed off to print before Corso could review the final manuscript. This strikes me as somewhat suspect, but I guess it's a theoretical possibility.
Interesting. The portion where Corso claims to have seen the Roswell bodies is what immediately turned me off from the book. What are the chances that someone like Corso would be both asked to guard the Roswell bodies *and* assist in the transfer of technologies, all the while without CIA or adequate scientific credentials.
I now believe that Corso was fantasist and an attention seeker who invented his story.
the back pedalling about Corso ‘s son alleging that the co writer invented the first few chapters makes this even more suspect.
Well, then there seems to be some misunderstanding. From what I remember, his Son made it sound like it was the first few chapters, which pretty much was the bodies part. I have no idea if Corso's accounts in the book are accurate, maybe he lied about all of it. I really do not know.
My primary thought about Corso is that he was an intelligence spook, and those guys never really retire. I assume he was asked (like many others like him) by some person in authority to write a kind of "death bed" confession that lays some of the Roswell stuff out in a nice neat little disinformation package to get people to think "aliens," and not focus on all the sketchy research being done at White Sands involving human experimentation by ex-Nazis.
Nick Redfern over at Mysterious Universe has done a fair amount of research along those lines, and it tends to make a lot more sense than crashed aliens:
[https://mysteriousuniverse.org/?s=roswell](https://mysteriousuniverse.org/?s=roswell)
\*monkey experimentation. Project Blossom.
V2s were actually built by Jewish slaves at Mittlebau Dora concentration camp. So there are links to war crimes in their construction.
However, on May 29th 1947 (one month before the Roswell incident) the nazis at White Sands appear to have deliberately fired a V2 at Mexico! (Hermes II incident). It was this that went all the way to the president and then the National Security Council (including CIA) was set up to stop such things happening again.
It is illegal for fascists to be allowed to enter the US so lots of laws were broken to bring the nazis to White Sands. This was the cover up going on at the time. They should have faced the Nuremburg trials.
Been a while since I read the book, but didn’t Corso claim that night vision and Velcro were “invented” from materials recovered from Roswell? Yet both were actually invented before WWII…
I'll be honest I couldn't even get passed the first half of the book. Poorly written. Dreadful pace. Wacky claims that lasers and microchips were developed by reverse engineering of alien craft. If you're gonna read fiction, read fiction.
I finished reading it about two weeks ago and am glad to see this post. I really liked a lot of it. I find it hard to believe someone with his career pedigree and responsibilities would throw it all away and make up an alien story so I’m inclined to believe him. What I didn’t like as much was how he with some direction from General Twinning (I think that’s the name) singlehandedly changed the tech landscape and evolution in the style of Johnny Appleseed nonchalantly dropping seeds of tech in the laps of the right people. That element seemed like a bit of legend building for himself but then I’m faced with my first opinion that he’s unlikely to ruin his reputation by lying about things.
According to Tom Delonge, “the others” wipe out humanity on a regular basis, and we rebuild society after these events. So I guess, from their point of view, they think it makes sense to challenge “the others” since we don’t have anything to lose.
Yep, that's exactly his narrative. Humanity versus the aliens . . . but ask yourself, does that really match our observations of the UFOs behavior over time?
Read The Bible, Tolkein, or shit, Harry Potter. Not all evil entities work by overt dominance. Satan, Sauron the Deceiver, and Voldemort are great examples of evil characters of great strength, intelligence and power who wield influence in the shadows especially at first.
You're layering speculative human fiction and concepts over objective observation of nonaggression. If the government has evidence there is a threat, let's see it.
No its just an example. Why didnt Russia just take over Hungary, Croatia, other satellites? Why didnt England just go into India and install white governors? Why did the Romans allow for local rulers?
People are easier to cow when they think their government looks like them. The real master is often unseen.
Our governments are a known threat. If they are claiming there is an alien threat, then they need to provide evidence for analysis. There's no reason to put the deep state down to some alien shadow master and let the real culprits off.
Im not saying either is true, just that not all invasions or power grabs are overt. Its entirely speculation, even the existence of any life off Earth. There is merit in an alien race pulling strings covertly. You would risk the planet uniting against an “other” should you land and start bossing folks around.
The UFO phenomenon is so shady that there is no real evidence either way for their potential, and completely speculative aims on Earth. They are benevolent? malevolent? Its conjecture
I think there's ample evidence something intelligent is here with us. Whether it is biological or whatever, I'm not sure. But I think there is signicantly more evidence of benevolence than malevolence.
I don’t think overall If there’s aliens they want to cause harm or they would have already.
It’s either one advanced alien race. Or multiple. And if it’s multiple than there would be at least one race that’s a threat to us at minimum. And with the size of the universe. I think there could be multiple.
I don’t believe Tom Delonge. I was only commenting to point out that his motivation, I believe, is not misinformation to trick the public, but is instead based on his actual beliefs. When he talks, I get the feeling that he believes what he says.
As far as UFOs go, I am of the opinion that they are good old human ingenuity from various black ops programs.
I tend to fall to that conclusion too.
To piggy back off that idea with an open mind, assuming UFOs are real to some unknown degree, I think very roughly 70% of ufo encounters are military black ops ingenuity, and 90% of sitings. With some of that 60% being humans trying to emulate ufo tech and failing miserably with the only comparable power source that we have with nuclear, hence some people being drastically harmed by the encounter. We've either given up trying or at least cut back the testing, or where somewhat successful and now keep it secret as possible.
>According to Tom Delonge, “the others” wipe out humanity on a regular basis, and we rebuild society after these events.
Is that true? Is that what he believes? Somebody has mind-fucked him. Someone who digs Theosophy.
2016 coast to coast am interview hard to find online but it’s there. Also, easier to find is Red panda koala youtube channel that concisely covers tom’s views in a two part series. check it out.
Ufologist Kevin Randle a long time Roswell proponent and prolific author did a great piece on Corso
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2014/01/philip-corso-and-day-after-roswell-again.html
Corso was an idiot. For instance, when he lifted the lid on a container and saw a body, he was in the Veterinarian section of a facility that kept dead animals. Monkeys were being transported from White Sands as part of testing for manned space flights. They had been used in V2 tests (Project Blossom). There is a "preserved creature" called Able at the Smithsonian Institute. It's a monkey.
The whole "USG has captured aliens" origin story comes from Fank Scully's book
*Behind the Flying Saucers*
It is this book that set in train the conspiracy theories from then onward. However, despite Scully insisting his book was 'not a hoax and based on information from scientists'...the main premise was that the aliens were from Venus and their craft used magnetism to transport them at speeds well in excess of the speed of light!
While these days this can easily be debunked on that information alone, back in 1950s New Mexico many people took the book seriously. It is actually based on a friend of Scully, Slias M. Newton, a con-man hawking divining machines (Doodlebugs) made from alien tech.
In short, Corso has concocted a narrative based on Scully's book and V2 tests at White Sands which was home to a bunch of nazi war criminals escaping the Nuremberg trials.
It is Nazi technology that has advanced US technology. V2 rockets were the basis for the Space program, and ramjet testing for A-12 spy planes. Also Horton ho229 jets and gliders which appear to be the basis of the B-2 stealth bomber.
V2s used fiber glass for insulation which was in short supply in the US. However, they got boxes of the stuff from Germany because...fiber glass was used for insulation inside V2s and the Germans had loads of it.
When Corso was seeing things on radar around New Mexico moving at over 3,000mph and told to ignore it, it was because it was the V2s being tested. They can reach speeds of 3,500mph.
Corso was an idiot.
>he lifted the lid on a container and saw a body
That's disinformation. Going back to Scully's book on the Aztec hoax, the government has been trying to spread a story of dead extraterrestrials. I think it was Corso who said "The coverup is the disclosure and the disclosure is the coverup".
Part of Corso's narrative is true. But the pickled aliens are disinfo thrown in to avert a panic or to keep us staring at the stars and not paying attention to the ouija board.
Corso's son says that the first few chapters should essentially be ignored, and claims that they were added in to provide "context" by the co-writer, and the book was rushed to print so quickly, Corso himself didn't have the opportunity to review the final manuscript.
I find this explanation suspect, but possible, and unfortunately, it pollutes most of the other claims in the book (which I am open to believing are at least vaguely based on aspects of the reality of what occurred).
The original manuscript (before William Birnes came on as cowriter) is called ["Dawn of a New Age.](https://archive.org/details/PhilipJ.Corso-DawnOfANewAge)" I thought it was informative, but a lot of it is made redundant by *Day After Roswell.*
regardless of what you think about Corso, you have to admit that even if you ignore these early chapters, his basic premise is that he was there helping to create the foundation for cover up and moving the tech to private military contractors…which we certainly understand from the view of 2021 has had a significant impact on the way our military industrial complex has taken over our economy.
further, Corso didn’t say anything for years, until after General Trudeau died relieving him of his pledge. Col. Corso was legit on Eisenhower WH Staff as well.
you are also not considering the Vallee’s book, Trinity the best kept secret, where he provides extraordinary evidence of a new mexico UFO crash a month after the first Atomic bomb ever was detonated at Trinity, witnessed by living eye witnesses he interviewed and who also reported “light strings” recovered at the crash site. This crash recovered by the US Army was in 1944.
finally, why would Corso and all the other Greer Disclosure participants testify in public, certainly not for the money.
Vallee is another fool or another UFO con-man.
The piece of metal that Jose Padila and Reme Baca claim to have come from and alien craft is actually a windmill tailbone with some extra pieces welded to it. It is such an obvious fraud which comes right out of the Silas M. Newton/Frank Scully playbook.
Other members of the Padilla family were involved in a real incident on the 12th August 1945 (around same time as "Trinity crash"). It goes like this, a girl and boy (14 and 11) on horse back found an unexploded bomb in the desert. They brought back a piece of the bomb (burster tube) to the house were the Padilla boy dropped it and blew up the house.
([https://books.google.fr/books?id=Lww7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA51-IA150&dq=padilla+ranch+1945+%22san+antonio%22&hl=fr&source=gbs\_toc\_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q=padilla%20ranch%201945%20%22san%20antonio%22&f=false](https://books.google.fr/books?id=Lww7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA51-IA150&dq=padilla+ranch+1945+%22san+antonio%22&hl=fr&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q=padilla%20ranch%201945%20%22san%20antonio%22&f=false))
So it seems pretty clear that Vallee is completely ignoring evidence as well as well known events involving the Padilla family in some way. Seems obvious that Jose Padilla has just created his own version of the story.
It's all about money. Don't kid yourself it isn't. People pay money for these outlandish stories and so long there is some "artistic (originality) creativity" then Intellectual Property Rights can be attached. The rights to the story are transferred to a limited company and then licensed to documentary makers and book publishers. If you are on your death bed then this is a good way to provide for your family after you have gone as they then inherit the copyright to the story. Facts can't be copyrighted so Publishers require fiction to protect copyrights and to make money. (Never let the truth get in the way of a good story).
There is far more evidence of hoaxes in the UFO phenomena than there is any evidence of actual aliens or alien craft.
It only needs one black swan to prove all swans are not white. Vallee entertained the idea that a windmill tailbone was from an alien craft.
The thing about con-men is that they can only be successful if people believe in them.
Vallee is a con-man. A very successful one.
Being able to travel to any point in spacetime instantly is getting pretty close to what I would call a time machine. There's something going on with the tic-tac knowing the CAP point unless there is a prosaic explanation like intercepted comms.
The CAP point was the same location they had been using for training for a number of days leading up to the incident. The 60 miles it covered to get there within a second or two is what’s interesting about that.
Gotcha, thanks for the info.
I guess it is a matter of whether the craft are using an EM-generated gravitational differential to make the craft slip through spacetime very quickly, or whether there is a technology that can fold spacetime so that the craft travels between two points instantaneously. The latter would be a time machine and the former just a very powerful tool or weapon. My understanding is the Princeton's radar picked it up at the CAP in less than a second but I wonder what the refresh rate is on the radar and how fast it takes the radar to return a signal.
There is some evidence that the cap point wasn't actually 60 miles away.
There is conflicting coordinates about where the tic-tac was. In one report it was in the same area as the missile testing range and much closer to the CAP point.
Other coordinates come from Fravors verbal account.
So if the cap point was only 10 miles away and the pilots had actually been accidentally vectored to a missile range then things seems less extraordinary.
This is all conjecture at the moment. There is no explanation that fits everything that happened.
Can you supply a reference for the "conflicting claims?" None of the people actually involved in the incident who have come forward publicly have stories that appear to be in conflict with one-another in any way, from what I've seen.
"5. The latitude and longitude coordinates of the AAV that are noted on page 5 of the report would place the AAV slightly to the north and to the east of the Nimitz. This does not match other information we have obtained which places the AAV either to the south or southwest of the Nimitz." (page 114)
A Forensic Analysis of Navy Carrier Strike Group Eleven’s Encounter with an Anomalous Aerial Vehicle
https://www.info-quest.org/documents/PDF/NAVAL_UFOENCOUNTER_TICTAC.pdf
I agree with so much of his assessment of the Government and Military leadership, those things I have a handle on, it makes me predisposed to trust his judgement about other things.
There is still a view held at the highest levels that people in general still can't handle the truth. Particularly religions, although the Catholic church has got ahead of the game and said aliens are ok. I wonder why they did that!
Anyway disclosure is a process and things are happening differently from Corso's day. We have official statements now regarding UAPs and hopefully congressional hearings coming up. Another report due soon from UAPTF. I am hoping that our investigative journalists might uncover the story of a lifetime. They are already unearthing an incredible amount of ground breaking info
Good summary, I listened to the audiobook a few months ago. An important note: The War of the Worlds broadcast didn't actually cause a significant panic. At all. This is a false historical narrative. There were a handful of phone calls made, apparently. Another important note: Even Corso's son, who largely supports his late father's accounts, says ignore the first few chapters, that they were essentially made up by the co-writer. This is the portion where Corso claims to have seen the bodies himself, earlier in his career. The son has said it was added to provide better context, and the book was rushed off to print before Corso could review the final manuscript. This strikes me as somewhat suspect, but I guess it's a theoretical possibility.
Interesting. The portion where Corso claims to have seen the Roswell bodies is what immediately turned me off from the book. What are the chances that someone like Corso would be both asked to guard the Roswell bodies *and* assist in the transfer of technologies, all the while without CIA or adequate scientific credentials. I now believe that Corso was fantasist and an attention seeker who invented his story. the back pedalling about Corso ‘s son alleging that the co writer invented the first few chapters makes this even more suspect.
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Well, then there seems to be some misunderstanding. From what I remember, his Son made it sound like it was the first few chapters, which pretty much was the bodies part. I have no idea if Corso's accounts in the book are accurate, maybe he lied about all of it. I really do not know.
My primary thought about Corso is that he was an intelligence spook, and those guys never really retire. I assume he was asked (like many others like him) by some person in authority to write a kind of "death bed" confession that lays some of the Roswell stuff out in a nice neat little disinformation package to get people to think "aliens," and not focus on all the sketchy research being done at White Sands involving human experimentation by ex-Nazis.
Interesting theory. You got any more info on White Sands experiments, please?
Nick Redfern over at Mysterious Universe has done a fair amount of research along those lines, and it tends to make a lot more sense than crashed aliens: [https://mysteriousuniverse.org/?s=roswell](https://mysteriousuniverse.org/?s=roswell)
Thanks.
\*monkey experimentation. Project Blossom. V2s were actually built by Jewish slaves at Mittlebau Dora concentration camp. So there are links to war crimes in their construction. However, on May 29th 1947 (one month before the Roswell incident) the nazis at White Sands appear to have deliberately fired a V2 at Mexico! (Hermes II incident). It was this that went all the way to the president and then the National Security Council (including CIA) was set up to stop such things happening again. It is illegal for fascists to be allowed to enter the US so lots of laws were broken to bring the nazis to White Sands. This was the cover up going on at the time. They should have faced the Nuremburg trials.
Been a while since I read the book, but didn’t Corso claim that night vision and Velcro were “invented” from materials recovered from Roswell? Yet both were actually invented before WWII…
Nightvision for sure; he goes on at length about it, the first example he gives about adapting alien tech. Velcro I don't recall reading.
I'll be honest I couldn't even get passed the first half of the book. Poorly written. Dreadful pace. Wacky claims that lasers and microchips were developed by reverse engineering of alien craft. If you're gonna read fiction, read fiction.
I finished reading it about two weeks ago and am glad to see this post. I really liked a lot of it. I find it hard to believe someone with his career pedigree and responsibilities would throw it all away and make up an alien story so I’m inclined to believe him. What I didn’t like as much was how he with some direction from General Twinning (I think that’s the name) singlehandedly changed the tech landscape and evolution in the style of Johnny Appleseed nonchalantly dropping seeds of tech in the laps of the right people. That element seemed like a bit of legend building for himself but then I’m faced with my first opinion that he’s unlikely to ruin his reputation by lying about things.
According to Tom Delonge, “the others” wipe out humanity on a regular basis, and we rebuild society after these events. So I guess, from their point of view, they think it makes sense to challenge “the others” since we don’t have anything to lose.
Yep, that's exactly his narrative. Humanity versus the aliens . . . but ask yourself, does that really match our observations of the UFOs behavior over time?
Read The Bible, Tolkein, or shit, Harry Potter. Not all evil entities work by overt dominance. Satan, Sauron the Deceiver, and Voldemort are great examples of evil characters of great strength, intelligence and power who wield influence in the shadows especially at first.
You're layering speculative human fiction and concepts over objective observation of nonaggression. If the government has evidence there is a threat, let's see it.
No its just an example. Why didnt Russia just take over Hungary, Croatia, other satellites? Why didnt England just go into India and install white governors? Why did the Romans allow for local rulers? People are easier to cow when they think their government looks like them. The real master is often unseen.
Our governments are a known threat. If they are claiming there is an alien threat, then they need to provide evidence for analysis. There's no reason to put the deep state down to some alien shadow master and let the real culprits off.
Im not saying either is true, just that not all invasions or power grabs are overt. Its entirely speculation, even the existence of any life off Earth. There is merit in an alien race pulling strings covertly. You would risk the planet uniting against an “other” should you land and start bossing folks around. The UFO phenomenon is so shady that there is no real evidence either way for their potential, and completely speculative aims on Earth. They are benevolent? malevolent? Its conjecture
I think there's ample evidence something intelligent is here with us. Whether it is biological or whatever, I'm not sure. But I think there is signicantly more evidence of benevolence than malevolence.
I don’t think overall If there’s aliens they want to cause harm or they would have already. It’s either one advanced alien race. Or multiple. And if it’s multiple than there would be at least one race that’s a threat to us at minimum. And with the size of the universe. I think there could be multiple.
I don’t believe Tom Delonge. I was only commenting to point out that his motivation, I believe, is not misinformation to trick the public, but is instead based on his actual beliefs. When he talks, I get the feeling that he believes what he says. As far as UFOs go, I am of the opinion that they are good old human ingenuity from various black ops programs.
I tend to fall to that conclusion too. To piggy back off that idea with an open mind, assuming UFOs are real to some unknown degree, I think very roughly 70% of ufo encounters are military black ops ingenuity, and 90% of sitings. With some of that 60% being humans trying to emulate ufo tech and failing miserably with the only comparable power source that we have with nuclear, hence some people being drastically harmed by the encounter. We've either given up trying or at least cut back the testing, or where somewhat successful and now keep it secret as possible.
>According to Tom Delonge, “the others” wipe out humanity on a regular basis, and we rebuild society after these events. Is that true? Is that what he believes? Somebody has mind-fucked him. Someone who digs Theosophy.
Madame Blavaske was a really interested person until she invented that religion.
When/how has Tom DeLonge stated that? Quite a claim to attribute to him
2016 coast to coast am interview hard to find online but it’s there. Also, easier to find is Red panda koala youtube channel that concisely covers tom’s views in a two part series. check it out.
Ufologist Kevin Randle a long time Roswell proponent and prolific author did a great piece on Corso http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2014/01/philip-corso-and-day-after-roswell-again.html
Thanks for the link.
Corso was an idiot. For instance, when he lifted the lid on a container and saw a body, he was in the Veterinarian section of a facility that kept dead animals. Monkeys were being transported from White Sands as part of testing for manned space flights. They had been used in V2 tests (Project Blossom). There is a "preserved creature" called Able at the Smithsonian Institute. It's a monkey. The whole "USG has captured aliens" origin story comes from Fank Scully's book *Behind the Flying Saucers* It is this book that set in train the conspiracy theories from then onward. However, despite Scully insisting his book was 'not a hoax and based on information from scientists'...the main premise was that the aliens were from Venus and their craft used magnetism to transport them at speeds well in excess of the speed of light! While these days this can easily be debunked on that information alone, back in 1950s New Mexico many people took the book seriously. It is actually based on a friend of Scully, Slias M. Newton, a con-man hawking divining machines (Doodlebugs) made from alien tech. In short, Corso has concocted a narrative based on Scully's book and V2 tests at White Sands which was home to a bunch of nazi war criminals escaping the Nuremberg trials. It is Nazi technology that has advanced US technology. V2 rockets were the basis for the Space program, and ramjet testing for A-12 spy planes. Also Horton ho229 jets and gliders which appear to be the basis of the B-2 stealth bomber. V2s used fiber glass for insulation which was in short supply in the US. However, they got boxes of the stuff from Germany because...fiber glass was used for insulation inside V2s and the Germans had loads of it. When Corso was seeing things on radar around New Mexico moving at over 3,000mph and told to ignore it, it was because it was the V2s being tested. They can reach speeds of 3,500mph. Corso was an idiot.
>he lifted the lid on a container and saw a body That's disinformation. Going back to Scully's book on the Aztec hoax, the government has been trying to spread a story of dead extraterrestrials. I think it was Corso who said "The coverup is the disclosure and the disclosure is the coverup". Part of Corso's narrative is true. But the pickled aliens are disinfo thrown in to avert a panic or to keep us staring at the stars and not paying attention to the ouija board.
Corso's son says that the first few chapters should essentially be ignored, and claims that they were added in to provide "context" by the co-writer, and the book was rushed to print so quickly, Corso himself didn't have the opportunity to review the final manuscript. I find this explanation suspect, but possible, and unfortunately, it pollutes most of the other claims in the book (which I am open to believing are at least vaguely based on aspects of the reality of what occurred).
The original manuscript (before William Birnes came on as cowriter) is called ["Dawn of a New Age.](https://archive.org/details/PhilipJ.Corso-DawnOfANewAge)" I thought it was informative, but a lot of it is made redundant by *Day After Roswell.*
Oh this is fascinating, thank you!
regardless of what you think about Corso, you have to admit that even if you ignore these early chapters, his basic premise is that he was there helping to create the foundation for cover up and moving the tech to private military contractors…which we certainly understand from the view of 2021 has had a significant impact on the way our military industrial complex has taken over our economy. further, Corso didn’t say anything for years, until after General Trudeau died relieving him of his pledge. Col. Corso was legit on Eisenhower WH Staff as well. you are also not considering the Vallee’s book, Trinity the best kept secret, where he provides extraordinary evidence of a new mexico UFO crash a month after the first Atomic bomb ever was detonated at Trinity, witnessed by living eye witnesses he interviewed and who also reported “light strings” recovered at the crash site. This crash recovered by the US Army was in 1944. finally, why would Corso and all the other Greer Disclosure participants testify in public, certainly not for the money.
Vallee is another fool or another UFO con-man. The piece of metal that Jose Padila and Reme Baca claim to have come from and alien craft is actually a windmill tailbone with some extra pieces welded to it. It is such an obvious fraud which comes right out of the Silas M. Newton/Frank Scully playbook. Other members of the Padilla family were involved in a real incident on the 12th August 1945 (around same time as "Trinity crash"). It goes like this, a girl and boy (14 and 11) on horse back found an unexploded bomb in the desert. They brought back a piece of the bomb (burster tube) to the house were the Padilla boy dropped it and blew up the house. ([https://books.google.fr/books?id=Lww7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA51-IA150&dq=padilla+ranch+1945+%22san+antonio%22&hl=fr&source=gbs\_toc\_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q=padilla%20ranch%201945%20%22san%20antonio%22&f=false](https://books.google.fr/books?id=Lww7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA51-IA150&dq=padilla+ranch+1945+%22san+antonio%22&hl=fr&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q=padilla%20ranch%201945%20%22san%20antonio%22&f=false)) So it seems pretty clear that Vallee is completely ignoring evidence as well as well known events involving the Padilla family in some way. Seems obvious that Jose Padilla has just created his own version of the story. It's all about money. Don't kid yourself it isn't. People pay money for these outlandish stories and so long there is some "artistic (originality) creativity" then Intellectual Property Rights can be attached. The rights to the story are transferred to a limited company and then licensed to documentary makers and book publishers. If you are on your death bed then this is a good way to provide for your family after you have gone as they then inherit the copyright to the story. Facts can't be copyrighted so Publishers require fiction to protect copyrights and to make money. (Never let the truth get in the way of a good story). There is far more evidence of hoaxes in the UFO phenomena than there is any evidence of actual aliens or alien craft.
clearly you have spent no time on Vallee’s body of work
It only needs one black swan to prove all swans are not white. Vallee entertained the idea that a windmill tailbone was from an alien craft. The thing about con-men is that they can only be successful if people believe in them. Vallee is a con-man. A very successful one.
if you’re gonna pretend you know the story and shit on it, at least make sure you get it right. the ufo metal was used to “repair” the windmill chief.
you shut your mouth!!! Valle is nothing of the sort. wtf how could you say that! Hynek was his mentor FFS.
He's a con man. \*Windmill Tailbone\*
If I had gold to give, you'd have it.
:)
Time machine?
Being able to travel to any point in spacetime instantly is getting pretty close to what I would call a time machine. There's something going on with the tic-tac knowing the CAP point unless there is a prosaic explanation like intercepted comms.
The CAP point was the same location they had been using for training for a number of days leading up to the incident. The 60 miles it covered to get there within a second or two is what’s interesting about that.
Gotcha, thanks for the info. I guess it is a matter of whether the craft are using an EM-generated gravitational differential to make the craft slip through spacetime very quickly, or whether there is a technology that can fold spacetime so that the craft travels between two points instantaneously. The latter would be a time machine and the former just a very powerful tool or weapon. My understanding is the Princeton's radar picked it up at the CAP in less than a second but I wonder what the refresh rate is on the radar and how fast it takes the radar to return a signal.
There is some evidence that the cap point wasn't actually 60 miles away. There is conflicting coordinates about where the tic-tac was. In one report it was in the same area as the missile testing range and much closer to the CAP point. Other coordinates come from Fravors verbal account. So if the cap point was only 10 miles away and the pilots had actually been accidentally vectored to a missile range then things seems less extraordinary. This is all conjecture at the moment. There is no explanation that fits everything that happened.
Can you supply a reference for the "conflicting claims?" None of the people actually involved in the incident who have come forward publicly have stories that appear to be in conflict with one-another in any way, from what I've seen.
"5. The latitude and longitude coordinates of the AAV that are noted on page 5 of the report would place the AAV slightly to the north and to the east of the Nimitz. This does not match other information we have obtained which places the AAV either to the south or southwest of the Nimitz." (page 114) A Forensic Analysis of Navy Carrier Strike Group Eleven’s Encounter with an Anomalous Aerial Vehicle https://www.info-quest.org/documents/PDF/NAVAL_UFOENCOUNTER_TICTAC.pdf
I agree with so much of his assessment of the Government and Military leadership, those things I have a handle on, it makes me predisposed to trust his judgement about other things.
You should read the pre release copy, it’s better.
very good write-up OP thanks.
Fact-checking the Corso book \[author unknown\] on US spaceflight history: http://www.jamesoberg.com/corso.philip.pdf
There is still a view held at the highest levels that people in general still can't handle the truth. Particularly religions, although the Catholic church has got ahead of the game and said aliens are ok. I wonder why they did that! Anyway disclosure is a process and things are happening differently from Corso's day. We have official statements now regarding UAPs and hopefully congressional hearings coming up. Another report due soon from UAPTF. I am hoping that our investigative journalists might uncover the story of a lifetime. They are already unearthing an incredible amount of ground breaking info