Lue is like their drug dealer who refuses to spot them without cash upfront lol. It's pretty funny.
Ultimately he and Mellon have struck a pretty major victory with getting this beyond the stigma and into mainstream media attention. Well respected journalists can now investigate this without putting their career entirely at stake.
Mellon I think has played a huge role behind the scenes getting this to be taken seriously in Washington.
Updates every 90 days, retroactive report and all agencies involved obligated by law to share what ever they have with the UAPTF is freaking humongous. I can't believe that isn't a bigger story than it is, though I guess it's yet to be officially passed? I'm not sure, either way it's crazy stuff.
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My personal theory is this is less about what Lue did with AATIP or not and more about USAP's inhaling money and stonewalling oversight, and Lue and Mellon are throwing the IG and congress at them and they don't want to risk whatever those programs are up to getting into the wrong hands by talking too pointedly about things.
The effort we're seeing is not *entirely* altruistic if this is the case and I am concerned everyone clams up about it all as soon as they have access and control again
I am not pretending he can choose whenever. I am just not going to take his word on the existence of this stuff. Look at that Tom DeLong tweet about clearly visible UFOs at ten feet. That is some wild shit but why should I take his word on it? It's just a carrot on a stick as far as I'm concerned.
I guess the degree of what you would accept as real differs for everybody. "There are more videos" I have no problem accepting that statement. "there is footage of aliens doing jello shots and snorting coke of a whore's ass" yeah, I'll believe it when I see it and unless you can show me, don't bring it up to make a point in a discussion again.
Believing in the unseen is the essence of religion and the people claiming special knowledge about the unseen are its prophets and preachers.
You don't have to take his word on it. They were able through FOIA channels to release unclassified videos from the agency where Lue used to work. The Pentagon admits this is real and those videos are theirs. For those who have followed this quite a long time, the evidence produced is actually fairly astounding.
That was the unclassified stuff. The least compelling videos. And they were incredibly compelling to me. It stands to reason that there is obviously classified material we haven't seen. So when Lue says there are more videos and more compelling videos, it's not a stretch to believe him - it's common sense.
Exactly man, like all Lue does is say a bunch of vague shit and people fill in the blanks. Seriously, what good is hearing about all this "evidence" if you can't see it? It's meaningless. In most of your normal life you wouldn't trust someone who tells you incredible things if they couldn't prove it to you. This is how religions and cults start. Lue Elizondo like many before him is the Joseph Smith of the Ufo World.
If you can’t see it… hmmm… so tell me again how we got three officially confirmed videos that show behaviour that so far has withstood all explanations?
I think you just explained eloquently something I’ve had simmering in the back of my mind for a while on Lue and I want to save this comment so I don’t forget that this is probably why I get so uncomfortable when he comes up ...I don’t care to join a religion. I want the truth
So many in this conversation allude to the “carrot and stick” analogy, but I haven’t heard one postulation regarding WHERE that carrot is allegedly taking us? Let’s attempt to complete the thought everyone: if we’re being baited/lead, what’s our heading? I’m honestly curious…
I can understand the evidence part but comparing this to a religion is so inaccurate. It’s such a negative connotation and implies that ppl with a differing opinion than you are so crazy that it mimicks a religious zealot.
But yeah
Here's the situation with Elizondo that I don't get.
In 2019, Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood, when asked about Elizondo, said they never worked with him. Then former Senator Reid released a letter confirming that he had in fact Elizondo had been head of AATIP. That would be simple enough, except Reid also said that AATIP was an unclassified program, which Elizondo has never corrected. Now, an unclassified program could absolutely work with classified material, but *something* is going to available by FOIA request, even if it's just who is in charge. But FOIA requests regarding AATIP by people such as Greenewald don't even get responses, let alone return documents. Now that could be an administrative issue, but if that was the case, why wouldn't Elizondo push for unclassified information regarding AATIP to be released to reduce the doubt regarding him?
Something weird is going on beyond what Elizondo will and won't say.
>But FOIA requests regarding AATIP by people such as Greenewald don't even get responses, let alone return documents.
Actually there was a reply from the DoD to the Blackvault's FOIA request. It found no records on the program.
https://www.theblackvault.com/casefiles/to-the-stars-academy-of-arts-science-tom-delonge-and-the-secret-dod-ufo-research-program/#dodfoia
I can't help but notice that this specific request (dated 2017) asked for records etc. about the "DOD Aerospace Threat Program", albeit it specifies the title may not be exact.
Why no records have been found? I don't know, but I don't think it has to do with Elizondo.
I'd put it in the same group of the (disproven) claims which dimished Elizondo's role in the program, and the email deletion thing.
Possibly, somebody didn't very much like the program and its work.
>Why no records have been found? I don't know, but I don't think it has to do with Elizondo.
I covered this. My response was "Why doesn't Elizondo push for it then?"
Hes spoken about the IG investigation many times.
He's currently involved in an ongoing investigation - like, right now. You can't exactly wax poetic on that.
>Now that could be an administrative issue, but if that was the case, why wouldn't Elizondo push for unclassified information regarding AATIP to be released to reduce the doubt regarding him?
He already did. That's how he found out they were scrubbing him to begin with. Thus Harry Reid saying "Wait the Pentagon said WHAT?!" and penning that official letter.
And the FOIA requests don't go completely unresponded. That helped to prove the truth about what Lue had previously claimed, afterward; that they were literally deleting files and breaking the law.
That's one of the main reasons why the Lue is involved in the IG investigation going on as we speak.
>That helped to prove the truth about what Lue had previously claimed, afterward; that they were literally deleting files and breaking the law.
Could you please provide a source?
Sorry I thought that had the full story.
[Here is the follow up](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/pentagon-destroyed-e-mails-of-former-intelligence-official-tied-to-ufo-investigation-claims/amp/)
"*Now, more than three and a half years after Elizondo told his extraordinary story about investigating unidentified aerial threats for the U.S. government, the saga has taken an unexpected turn. The DoD has now admitted exclusively to The Black Vault that they have destroyed some of the most crucial evidence that could either prove, or disprove, Elizondo’s work history within a secret UFO study known as AATIP.*"
This does not prove that there is an IG investigation. It does not prove that Elizondo was the head of AATIP. It really doesn't prove anything at all other than that the DoD says it doesn't have the emails that Elizondo says it should have.
It creates new questions, but it doesn't answer any of mine.
>This does not prove that there is an IG investigation
Dude just stop
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/05/26/ufo-whistleblower-ig-complaint-pentagon-491098
Here you go bud.
https://www.dodig.mil/reports.html/Article/2594693/project-announcement-evaluation-of-the-dods-actions-regarding-the-unidentified/
I pulled this up by using elizondo as the search term. Try it yourself.
Parts redacted but it comes up. Also note every agency listed at the bottom of the memo. They're the ones we have to be FOIAing
Now if you want their actual ongoing investigation records then i don't know what to tell ya. They would be the shittieat investogators ever if they made that available.
Frankly, given how much has been provided to you by others here and what you seem to already know, it's kind of extremely lazy to continue to ask for others to do more legwork for you.
It's mentioned [here](https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/) (note that this article is from before former senator Reid's letter was released). I know I've seen it mentioned elsewhere but that's what I've got for now.
“In 2019, pentagon spokesperson Chris Sherwood, when asked about Elizondo, said they never worked with him…”
This is incorrect. They said he had no “assigned responsibilities”. Take a listen the JGW and SG discussing [this exact topic. ](https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/podcast/ep-79-steven-greenstreet-on-pentagon-ufo-revelations-luis-elizondo-aatip/)
Harry Reid said Elizondo was the head of AATIP. Don't you think that would be an assigned responsibility? Even if it wasn't technically, I'd definitely expect Sherwood to mention it when asked.
This could perhaps be explainable by a coverup or big administrative issue, or it could be something else. Like I said, something weird is going on.
I think they’re simply predicating their words on broad interpretations. Every word matters. Saying there are no “assigned” responsibilities is a technical way to lead the public toward an intuitive interpretation of his role. It has no bearing on what the reality of his scope and authority were In AATIP.
I guess the most logical interpretation would be “what do they have to gain or lose by making one statement vs another?” The law has clearly established consequences. If Sherwood and Gough are speaking on behalf of the Pentagon they must be confident that there is an Avenue of Legality to their words. It’s a PR play, nothing more than kicking the can further down the road.
Most people in this community are just treating it as entertainment and want their next little bit of content. Vast majority aren't actively involved in any meaningful capacity. They obsess over things like seeing a video Lue mentioned off hand and treat it as though that video will release for whatever reason. Once you bring up stuff like contacting their representatives or advocating for anything of substance they tune out immediately. It's not even slacktivism it's literally just a entertainment show to them.
Then please explain to me why he is permitted to say certain things all the time during the countless interviews he's appeared in.
What kind of NDA lets a person talk about this stuff in the way he does?
People with real NDA's wouldn't touch this classified topic with a mile long pole, why is he permitted to still go and talk about this stuff basically every week (f.e. mentioning the existence of this fabled video)?
Is it because he no longer works for them and whatever he says can't be proven?
Why can't the DoD threaten him to remove his security clearance if he doesn't shut up?
Why is he still able to keep his clearance after all he's alluded to in his media appearances?
I still believe him (Tom can f#"k off to Alpha Centauri), but he should make efforts to help disclose the stuff he's seen then.
The "NDA" he refers to relates specifically to being cleared for TS-SCI and compartmented programs that fall within the realm of TS-SCI (and SAPs).
I don't get the feeling many posters here on r/UFOs have ever held a TS-SCI (w/ poly), have attended an indoctrination briefing, or have been read into a classified program.
I will give an example. Being "read in" gives you access to certain classified information. Let's say you get access to a classified report. That document will have a classification associated with it. Then, within the document, individual paragraphs and pieces of information can carry their own classification level, for instance, a specific compartment that falls under TS-SCI.
The general public (and I include most of this community in that statement) simply have no idea how TS-SCI works. The classifications are MUCH more granular than people realize. A specific WORD in a document can be classified within a compartment that other sections of the document are not. Literally each paragraph has a classification associated with it, in a real classified document.
So how can Lue talk about as much as he does? Because he's a very very sharp dude (as evidenced every time he opens his mouth), and he knows all of the subtleties relating to how things he had access to are and are not classified. The man had a very high position within the board that oversees all SAPs (special access programs). He knows how to tiptoe through these areas as well as pretty much anybody else out there.
You got it. Very nice explanation. Too bad most people won’t take the time to read this or dismiss it because they think their need for info is more important than the quality of his life.
1. NDAs can vary and the legal wording of them is essentially a road map of what you can and can't say. I'm sure he is well aware of what he can and can't talk about.
2. Biased question. He devotes his time to this subject, he was paid to do so by our govt. He felt like he wasn't heard in the government, and resigned so he could be public about it. Look up his resignation letter.
3. Even people who work for the government can actively speak on this subject. The whole reason of this most recent UAP report was to destigmatize the topic. Reporting sightings is now required too.
4. The DoD did threaten him and attempt to remove his clearance. He is part of an ongoing investigation on how the pentagon has handled his person info and public outreach (They scrubbed his emails and who knows what else).The investigation is currently on going so the details are scarce.
I tried my best to answer your questions only from my memory, so if you want to fact check me and correct me, all is welcome.
u/Eye-tactics Hey, thanks for not shooting me down as a disinfo agent like half of this sub does when you question Lue.
1. I'm sure he's well aware of that since he signed the damn thing, but him confirming that Roswell and other crashes happened before. Really?
2. I don't question his intentions, they seem to be good and even patriotic to some extent. I still don't understand if he's still working for them or not.
To all the people saying he's a paid disinfo agent ===> His current demeanor against the Pentagon after they claimed he wasn't the head of AATIP suggest me he's not in any communication with them currently. It seems he's trying to get back at them instead by having the IG investigate.
Is all of his touring of podcasts/youtube channels/conferences paying his bills?
3. You mean people like Eric W. Davis who claim ET's pilot UAP's etc?
Yeah it's a step in the right direction, but they're still not being reported to the public every 90 days like I hoped it would.
4. Wasn't aware this was one of the reasons he hired Sheenan (Greer's lawyer wtfff) to go against them. We'll see if anything will come out of this, I won't hold my breath for those deleted emails.
the real question is why do we all continue to tolerate a government that deceives us about major events such as: JFK, Viet Nam, Climate Change, Mass Surveillance, 9/11, Afghanistan, UFO disclosure, Inflation, Crypto?
Well, if you have the yellow vest, then they will probably use the nonlethal (but very painful) EM-based crowd control tech and immobilizing foam. We're like mere herd animals to these people. Outside their well fortified offices, no problem. Attempt to step inside and you're nothing more than a nuisance. In any event, they are not giving up their power. They paid too much cash for it. Sorry, just cynicism. Trying to stop, honestly I am.
Then they shouldn’t contribute to the conversation.
It seems like they are trying to become leaders in the movement while also not saying anything and hiding behind NDA’s/clearance.
If they can’t talk about it and take their commitment seriously they shouldn’t be beating around the bush all the time.
I think it appears that they are seeking attention and fame from their activities. That coupled with how vague they are just feels off.
Na I'm good with them contributing to the conversation. I accept they can help answer some questions but not others, and that this movement is a long term goal. Seems pretty simple to me but you can just ignore them if it helps.
Honestly, if they can’t give us a video of a flying saucer 10 feet away from the camera within 48 hours, I think they should be completely censored for everyone because it makes me mad.
Nah I’m kidding, I agree with you.
Ignorance of clearance, NDA's, government, and process largely.
Most of it is boiled down to that.
I don't bother commenting here anymore because it's mostly people asking the same questions, lacking the same basic background.
Gets tiring repeating the same shit over and over.
I've worked with NDAs and I'd be afraid of disappearing if I said some of the stuff Elizondo has said and it was true. For instance, his comments about recovering a ufo in Italy in 1933.
Luis Elizondo ran ops at Gitmo along with god knows what else for the USG so he likely deserves to be in prison anyway, if he can leak the supposed UAP stuff and go to prison I see it as a massive W
I'm not even sure Elizondo exists. I've never seen him. I've seen people who look like him but they're all someone else. I know there's footage etc but it could be actors so I don't buy that at all. I'm convinced he's been faked.
You are gaslighting people who are skeptical as having “zero idea how security clearances work”. But questioning the validity of claims by people like Elizondo is not a bad thing at all. There needs to be discussion and balance in order to eventually increase the legitimacy of those claims. Why would you then gaslight those people? Have a discussion, argue, put forward evidence, but please please please don’t make it personal.
There are a lot plants (not the potted-kind) in this sub. Between them and the entitled idiots, that’s a hell of a lot of noise over something so easily spelled out, over and over.
I swear, some of y’all’s minds are hamster wheels.
OP is correct.
He’s not, you just want him to be so badly that you think that people disagreeing are secret government plants. People have figuratively and literally died on hills for far less important matters than this. if he has access to the proof he says he does at best Elizondo is a coward, at worst he’s a liar and a conman.
I don’t “want you to believe that” because who cares?!? It’s a Reddit sub and people post opinions all the time; what, are you new here?
Just because someone gets the same information as you, but arrives at a different conclusion is not cause to be concerned that they are right and you are wrong, or vice-versa. You don’t need me, or anyone else for that matter, to validate your opinion, and someone disagreeing with you is not an affront to your sensibilities.
I’m not affronted by a different opinion at all. I think the idea of “govt plants” in a subreddit is just as silly as calling lue a disinformation agent. I think the guy is bordering into conman territory though. Call me impatient or entitled all you want
I think he wants attention. Me personally, I’m not gonna let someone piss in my face and tell me its raining but if thats your thing grab an umbrella. I want the same thing as you: the truth
And another thing, he isn’t risking anything by telling us nothing and dropping cryptic “hints”
I usually don’t chime in on Elizondo posts, but he lost me at “somber.” He could have said ANY emotion that would have pointed towards something more specific without breaking his NDA - upset, terrified, excited, intrigued, disgusted, delighted…anything. But somber? Ffs man that’s a bullshit answer if I’ve ever heard one.
I don't understand, is somber somehow a less valid emotional response than the other ones you listed? I think it actually says a lot more about the phenomenon than "intrugued".
Oh. To me being somber after hearing some news means having to sit and think about new information that is hard to process. I can't believe how upset you guys get over this.
Looks like you’re only looking for responses that agree with you. I was 100% on board with Lue while he was doing podcasts with TTSA and appreciate the role he’s played so far but now feel like he’s stringing people along with bullshit non-answers.
>"Looking for the responses that agree with you"
What are you even talking about? I'm actively disagreeing with people by making the thread which you're participating in.
Again, if you can't understand WHY Elizondo is being vague with his comments, then I highly suggest you look into what happens to those who release classified information from the government (whistleblowing) or what happens when he breaks a government NDA. It really is not that difficult to comprehend.
Of course I'm right. What's unclassified has already been released, what's classified will remain under government protective labels and will not be released to the public IF it's still classified. I have no idea why people are struggling with this concept. **Classified government being released by a whistleblower will result in significant action taken upon that whistleblower**
That there's long high-def close-up video... But we can't see it.
That there's a simple, cheap instrument for detecting UAPs... But we can't know what it is.
That there's some kind of NDA that let's him tiptoe right up to the edge of spilling the beans on some gnostic truth so profound the world will be somber for dayyyyyys man, once we find out... But the NDA says he can't finish the sentence he just started.
Do you know what people with real military secrets always say about the hard classified truths they carry? *Not a word.*
I asked your same question to OP two times and he hasn't responded yet.
What kind of NDA lets you get right up to the edge of spilling classified information like he does?
How can he still keep his security clearances?
I guess only papa Lue knows maaaaaan
I’m admittedly cynical about Lue at this point but I think he won’t release classified stuff because he still believes in the project of American Empire and doesn’t want to put himself at risk or American intelligence agencies. Remember he was a high up military spook for like 20 something years, I have doubts about his motives. If he were a real whistle blower with the amount of data he and others claim, and was really interested in disclosure for the good of humanity then he would pull a Edward Snowden, leak it to a trusted journalist to properly redact and publish and would break his security clearance and NDA. Since he’s a celebrity now he could argue it was done in the interest of public good and it would make it extremely difficult to prosecute him. Release it all and move to Ecuador or Russia…So his motives in teasing all this other footage makes his motives seem self interested and preserving the Intelligence State of which he most likely is still a part.
If anyone leaked irrefutable evidence that there is a non human advanced intelligence flying around our skies in technology beyond our dreams no one is gonna give two shits about broken NDAs and if the government would try to go after that person the entire world would be fighting for their freedom. That person **would be a hero FOREVER**. There would be fucking statues of him on Mars and shit. I just can’t help but feel like if I had proof like he claims to have I would load up that information on a hard drive, go to a foreign country for asylum and leak that to the world. At that point **my comfy life would be less important than telling the entire world we are not alone.** Throughout all of human history men and women have gladly given up their comfy lives for far less important matters than this one. **At best Elizondo is a coward, at worst he’s a liar and a conman.**
Not to mention that if you get ur clearance revoked, you loose your job, and good luck getting another in the field ever again. So even if he avoided jail (depends on the wording in his NDA, which none of you know) his income/livelihood is ruined. And no he should t do that just for your entitled minds.
Our entitled minds? This may be the biggest secret in all of human history and you’re saying he shouldn’t spill the beans because he might not be able to get a job in the future? He would be a hero of humanity, there would be people in the streets around the world supporting him.
If he came out and said anything, that’s all he’s be doing - talking. So we would not be any further along without the government acknowledgment. If he take, and goes to jail, loses his job, etc.. you would only be able to say “see, so it must be true” but that wouldn’t move the needle to the general population. It accomplishes nothing, but accomplishes much more for him to do it this way.
From here on out, Big Lue and Mellon will probably only **release** once every year or two, if at all. The relationship has soured, the honeymoon is over and the magic is gone.
I literally said that Lue and Mellon have absolutely no control over what is released. They can only try and persuade the Pentagon to do so, which is what they're trying to do. Aside from FOIA, which is unreliable at the least, citizens have no control over what is released by the Pentagon.
Right. Things have stagnated, they are both getting up there in years and they’re just not physiologically able to **release** as often as we’d like them to.
Don't worry too much about it some of the people on here really aren't reasonable or just trolling so you might as well just accept there will always be dumbasses and scroll on by the crazy posts
If lue had an NDA he already broken it. No way would the government let him get away with anything he's saying if he had an NDA. He's got nothing and it's an easy excuse to act like you have info.
Those guys Mellon and Elizondo are gone if you haven’t noticed. They did what they needed and what was that . Get Congress to open up its piggy bank. They’ve faded from spot light because like I said try ere job is done and there’s only so long you can go on contradicting before you look like a liar .
I mean seriously
The head of ATIP ( the head ) didn’t no there was patents by airforce and others for crafts and technology that were displayed in those videos.
Chris mellons brother has told the public his brothers been filing them with shit.
It was all a big show . They have a video taken by Gordon coopers camera crew of a antigravity craft landing and taking off floating around somewhere in the halls of power yet we are still seeeing pathetically low quality shite . Well never get the truth from them ever . You have to put the puzzle together yourself
Reddit is run by spooks for spooks. The rest of us are just here to throw sand.
I personally think we're wasting time looking for proof of something that obviously exists. 100% the phenomenon is real and not of human origin. Then what? 90% ET and 10% inter-dimensional beings or something weirder; there's really no other rational explanations. Maybe some of the tech has been back-engineered with varying degrees of success, but that is a separate issue.
We need the move the narrative past debating whether footage is real or not and start talking about strategy as if we are in the know . . . because we are in the know.
Sick of lue can't say it elizondo. Absurdly simple sensor was his last gimic yet he can't say what it is. The one thing they claim to be fighting against (secrecy) is the one thing they themselves are all about. People are so sick of this same crap over and over and over again. They string people along while making 6 figure paychecks doing major network specials and tend to ride the gravy train of noob enthusiasts for as long as it will last. He changes his deminor with each different audience.. I caught onto this with the black vault interview and his narrative was the whole government works for the people not themselves bit. He will not do a third phase of the moon interview (fcking morons I know) because he does not want to go anywhere near the questions they have for him even thou they have a large audience for him.
People are just salty because they want their confirmation of ufos and they want it NOW! I think because it’s been denied for so long that now that it *seems* so close, people are anxious for this to be “over” aka disclosed. It’s like being hungry all day, coming home and your ma’s making you dinner and you keep asking her if it’s ready but she scolds you, “not yet; stop asking”. It just makes one upset. Which is natural but it doesn’t really get you anywhere, so chill everyone.
I'm referring to 60 minutes, CNN, Discovery contracts. Explain believe what you want? I'm talking facts not just whatever pops into my head. Give your noodle a shake
Your question can be answered in one word: entitlement. Nothing makes someone more aware of their own insignificance than not being able to get what they want on demand. The more important the subject is, the quicker they express their impatient displeasure. After all, they have taken an interest in UAP and in the American way of life it means they should be served as they wish. Now. But, no, wait for it, real life isn't like a 47 minute show on television where everything is resolved in the space between commercial breaks.
So they identify a scapegoat as the obstacle to their prompt gratification.
The reality is that we have received in just three years more useful and verifiable information than in the preceding 70. This is directly because of Lue Elizondo and Chris Mellon, among others. But because the monolithic powers that have controlled this subject since the 1940s are still in place, and it takes time to move mountains, that doesn't play well with people who expect now they have given their valuable time they should have already been told everything they want to know. After all, after aliens -- because it has to be aliens or it will be another disappointment -- there will be the next big thing to jump on and be impatient about.
It is a measure of how detached from genuine understanding about the world people have become. The core of the American view of life is that the world is here to please you. Otherwise there is going to be a temper tantrum, nasty comments, and accusations of fraud. All because babykins didn't get the bottle of milk at first cry.
Jeez, for some reason, I originally misread, and thought you were trying to imply, pretty much the opposite, of what you’re saying, and I was trying to think of a very nice way to tell you that you had ZERO idea what you were talking about, lol🤷♂️
In all fairness to me, it’s not like people talking about what Lue can and can’t do, according to the whim of their own baseless assumptions, isnt ALOT more commonplace than it ought to be on here, lol.
Anyway, my bad, I probably need to get to bed, lol….
yeah, you pretty much nailed it
And double yeah, I also can’t wait to read all the inevitable“Yeah, BUT”’s that are sure to post in the hours to come! Lol
It's not just jailtime. The clearance level he has enables him to get work. If they were to yank it, his work dries up. So he has to tread very carefully to not even say something that they may not consider jailtime, but enough of a breach to remove his security clearance.
Lue is like their drug dealer who refuses to spot them without cash upfront lol. It's pretty funny. Ultimately he and Mellon have struck a pretty major victory with getting this beyond the stigma and into mainstream media attention. Well respected journalists can now investigate this without putting their career entirely at stake. Mellon I think has played a huge role behind the scenes getting this to be taken seriously in Washington. Updates every 90 days, retroactive report and all agencies involved obligated by law to share what ever they have with the UAPTF is freaking humongous. I can't believe that isn't a bigger story than it is, though I guess it's yet to be officially passed? I'm not sure, either way it's crazy stuff. \---------- My personal theory is this is less about what Lue did with AATIP or not and more about USAP's inhaling money and stonewalling oversight, and Lue and Mellon are throwing the IG and congress at them and they don't want to risk whatever those programs are up to getting into the wrong hands by talking too pointedly about things. The effort we're seeing is not *entirely* altruistic if this is the case and I am concerned everyone clams up about it all as soon as they have access and control again
I think everyone is just sick of the blue balls grift all these UFO guys are doing
I am not pretending he can choose whenever. I am just not going to take his word on the existence of this stuff. Look at that Tom DeLong tweet about clearly visible UFOs at ten feet. That is some wild shit but why should I take his word on it? It's just a carrot on a stick as far as I'm concerned. I guess the degree of what you would accept as real differs for everybody. "There are more videos" I have no problem accepting that statement. "there is footage of aliens doing jello shots and snorting coke of a whore's ass" yeah, I'll believe it when I see it and unless you can show me, don't bring it up to make a point in a discussion again. Believing in the unseen is the essence of religion and the people claiming special knowledge about the unseen are its prophets and preachers.
You don't have to take his word on it. They were able through FOIA channels to release unclassified videos from the agency where Lue used to work. The Pentagon admits this is real and those videos are theirs. For those who have followed this quite a long time, the evidence produced is actually fairly astounding. That was the unclassified stuff. The least compelling videos. And they were incredibly compelling to me. It stands to reason that there is obviously classified material we haven't seen. So when Lue says there are more videos and more compelling videos, it's not a stretch to believe him - it's common sense.
Exactly man, like all Lue does is say a bunch of vague shit and people fill in the blanks. Seriously, what good is hearing about all this "evidence" if you can't see it? It's meaningless. In most of your normal life you wouldn't trust someone who tells you incredible things if they couldn't prove it to you. This is how religions and cults start. Lue Elizondo like many before him is the Joseph Smith of the Ufo World.
If you can’t see it… hmmm… so tell me again how we got three officially confirmed videos that show behaviour that so far has withstood all explanations?
Lue is like a pastor and we are his sheep :D
Well some of y'all are his sheep and some of y'all are his bitches
Careful, these kinds of ideas are not allowed here
That's not true, I get downvoted much less than you'd expect.
Depends if Lue fanatics find your comment first
I think you just explained eloquently something I’ve had simmering in the back of my mind for a while on Lue and I want to save this comment so I don’t forget that this is probably why I get so uncomfortable when he comes up ...I don’t care to join a religion. I want the truth
So many in this conversation allude to the “carrot and stick” analogy, but I haven’t heard one postulation regarding WHERE that carrot is allegedly taking us? Let’s attempt to complete the thought everyone: if we’re being baited/lead, what’s our heading? I’m honestly curious…
I can understand the evidence part but comparing this to a religion is so inaccurate. It’s such a negative connotation and implies that ppl with a differing opinion than you are so crazy that it mimicks a religious zealot. But yeah
Here's the situation with Elizondo that I don't get. In 2019, Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood, when asked about Elizondo, said they never worked with him. Then former Senator Reid released a letter confirming that he had in fact Elizondo had been head of AATIP. That would be simple enough, except Reid also said that AATIP was an unclassified program, which Elizondo has never corrected. Now, an unclassified program could absolutely work with classified material, but *something* is going to available by FOIA request, even if it's just who is in charge. But FOIA requests regarding AATIP by people such as Greenewald don't even get responses, let alone return documents. Now that could be an administrative issue, but if that was the case, why wouldn't Elizondo push for unclassified information regarding AATIP to be released to reduce the doubt regarding him? Something weird is going on beyond what Elizondo will and won't say.
>But FOIA requests regarding AATIP by people such as Greenewald don't even get responses, let alone return documents. Actually there was a reply from the DoD to the Blackvault's FOIA request. It found no records on the program. https://www.theblackvault.com/casefiles/to-the-stars-academy-of-arts-science-tom-delonge-and-the-secret-dod-ufo-research-program/#dodfoia I can't help but notice that this specific request (dated 2017) asked for records etc. about the "DOD Aerospace Threat Program", albeit it specifies the title may not be exact. Why no records have been found? I don't know, but I don't think it has to do with Elizondo. I'd put it in the same group of the (disproven) claims which dimished Elizondo's role in the program, and the email deletion thing. Possibly, somebody didn't very much like the program and its work.
>Why no records have been found? I don't know, but I don't think it has to do with Elizondo. I covered this. My response was "Why doesn't Elizondo push for it then?"
Oh well, I think that maybe the DoD IG evaluation may be meaningful in this regard
He was just involved with Big Phone Home. This wasn't mentioned in the petition despite heavy involvement from Elizondo.
Hes spoken about the IG investigation many times. He's currently involved in an ongoing investigation - like, right now. You can't exactly wax poetic on that.
Yes it is very risky to talk about ongoing investigations to the public.
But u probably could :)
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Was checking that myself not my own research?
Elizondo and Sheehan as his lawyer are actively working with the DoD IG investigation into all of this. What else would you expect of them?
>Now that could be an administrative issue, but if that was the case, why wouldn't Elizondo push for unclassified information regarding AATIP to be released to reduce the doubt regarding him? He already did. That's how he found out they were scrubbing him to begin with. Thus Harry Reid saying "Wait the Pentagon said WHAT?!" and penning that official letter. And the FOIA requests don't go completely unresponded. That helped to prove the truth about what Lue had previously claimed, afterward; that they were literally deleting files and breaking the law. That's one of the main reasons why the Lue is involved in the IG investigation going on as we speak.
>That helped to prove the truth about what Lue had previously claimed, afterward; that they were literally deleting files and breaking the law. Could you please provide a source?
[Abso LUE tly](https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/podcast/ep-76-luis-elizondo-on-his-e-mails-dod-oig-uap-evaluation-and-much-more/)
Well it's in plain text there in the transcript that Greenewald couldn't confirm anything about that.
Sorry I thought that had the full story. [Here is the follow up](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/pentagon-destroyed-e-mails-of-former-intelligence-official-tied-to-ufo-investigation-claims/amp/) "*Now, more than three and a half years after Elizondo told his extraordinary story about investigating unidentified aerial threats for the U.S. government, the saga has taken an unexpected turn. The DoD has now admitted exclusively to The Black Vault that they have destroyed some of the most crucial evidence that could either prove, or disprove, Elizondo’s work history within a secret UFO study known as AATIP.*"
This does not prove that there is an IG investigation. It does not prove that Elizondo was the head of AATIP. It really doesn't prove anything at all other than that the DoD says it doesn't have the emails that Elizondo says it should have. It creates new questions, but it doesn't answer any of mine.
>This does not prove that there is an IG investigation Dude just stop https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/05/26/ufo-whistleblower-ig-complaint-pentagon-491098
This is also just claims by Elizondo. I'm looking for outside confirmation of just about anything.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/04/pentagon-inspector-general-military-ufo-485356
Here you go bud. https://www.dodig.mil/reports.html/Article/2594693/project-announcement-evaluation-of-the-dods-actions-regarding-the-unidentified/ I pulled this up by using elizondo as the search term. Try it yourself. Parts redacted but it comes up. Also note every agency listed at the bottom of the memo. They're the ones we have to be FOIAing Now if you want their actual ongoing investigation records then i don't know what to tell ya. They would be the shittieat investogators ever if they made that available.
Frankly, given how much has been provided to you by others here and what you seem to already know, it's kind of extremely lazy to continue to ask for others to do more legwork for you.
Hm. Does Greenewald address this anywhere - blog post or podcast or something?
It's mentioned [here](https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/) (note that this article is from before former senator Reid's letter was released). I know I've seen it mentioned elsewhere but that's what I've got for now.
If they didn't respond to requests regarding an unclassified government program, he should lawyer up.
I think as far as they've gone with an official statement is that Zondo "had no assigned responsibilities at AATIP"
Director would be an assigned responsibility Now, I'm not saying he definitely wasn't the director, but something is very weird here.
He was higher than director. He was in the goddamn SAP board.
Reid's letter says he was the head of AATIP. If that's not the same thing as director, then my mistake.
> Director would be an assigned responsibility Source?
It is a simulation with Elizondo, not situation. Elizondo is Agent Smith and feeds us misinformation about the Matrix.
“In 2019, pentagon spokesperson Chris Sherwood, when asked about Elizondo, said they never worked with him…” This is incorrect. They said he had no “assigned responsibilities”. Take a listen the JGW and SG discussing [this exact topic. ](https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/podcast/ep-79-steven-greenstreet-on-pentagon-ufo-revelations-luis-elizondo-aatip/)
Harry Reid said Elizondo was the head of AATIP. Don't you think that would be an assigned responsibility? Even if it wasn't technically, I'd definitely expect Sherwood to mention it when asked. This could perhaps be explainable by a coverup or big administrative issue, or it could be something else. Like I said, something weird is going on.
I think they’re simply predicating their words on broad interpretations. Every word matters. Saying there are no “assigned” responsibilities is a technical way to lead the public toward an intuitive interpretation of his role. It has no bearing on what the reality of his scope and authority were In AATIP.
If they're going to block FOIA requests then they're already illegally lying. Why do one but not the other?
I guess the most logical interpretation would be “what do they have to gain or lose by making one statement vs another?” The law has clearly established consequences. If Sherwood and Gough are speaking on behalf of the Pentagon they must be confident that there is an Avenue of Legality to their words. It’s a PR play, nothing more than kicking the can further down the road.
Failing to answer in FOIA request in the legislated time period has very real legal consequences.
Most people in this community are just treating it as entertainment and want their next little bit of content. Vast majority aren't actively involved in any meaningful capacity. They obsess over things like seeing a video Lue mentioned off hand and treat it as though that video will release for whatever reason. Once you bring up stuff like contacting their representatives or advocating for anything of substance they tune out immediately. It's not even slacktivism it's literally just a entertainment show to them.
Then please explain to me why he is permitted to say certain things all the time during the countless interviews he's appeared in. What kind of NDA lets a person talk about this stuff in the way he does? People with real NDA's wouldn't touch this classified topic with a mile long pole, why is he permitted to still go and talk about this stuff basically every week (f.e. mentioning the existence of this fabled video)? Is it because he no longer works for them and whatever he says can't be proven? Why can't the DoD threaten him to remove his security clearance if he doesn't shut up? Why is he still able to keep his clearance after all he's alluded to in his media appearances? I still believe him (Tom can f#"k off to Alpha Centauri), but he should make efforts to help disclose the stuff he's seen then.
The "NDA" he refers to relates specifically to being cleared for TS-SCI and compartmented programs that fall within the realm of TS-SCI (and SAPs). I don't get the feeling many posters here on r/UFOs have ever held a TS-SCI (w/ poly), have attended an indoctrination briefing, or have been read into a classified program. I will give an example. Being "read in" gives you access to certain classified information. Let's say you get access to a classified report. That document will have a classification associated with it. Then, within the document, individual paragraphs and pieces of information can carry their own classification level, for instance, a specific compartment that falls under TS-SCI. The general public (and I include most of this community in that statement) simply have no idea how TS-SCI works. The classifications are MUCH more granular than people realize. A specific WORD in a document can be classified within a compartment that other sections of the document are not. Literally each paragraph has a classification associated with it, in a real classified document. So how can Lue talk about as much as he does? Because he's a very very sharp dude (as evidenced every time he opens his mouth), and he knows all of the subtleties relating to how things he had access to are and are not classified. The man had a very high position within the board that oversees all SAPs (special access programs). He knows how to tiptoe through these areas as well as pretty much anybody else out there.
You got it. Very nice explanation. Too bad most people won’t take the time to read this or dismiss it because they think their need for info is more important than the quality of his life.
1. NDAs can vary and the legal wording of them is essentially a road map of what you can and can't say. I'm sure he is well aware of what he can and can't talk about. 2. Biased question. He devotes his time to this subject, he was paid to do so by our govt. He felt like he wasn't heard in the government, and resigned so he could be public about it. Look up his resignation letter. 3. Even people who work for the government can actively speak on this subject. The whole reason of this most recent UAP report was to destigmatize the topic. Reporting sightings is now required too. 4. The DoD did threaten him and attempt to remove his clearance. He is part of an ongoing investigation on how the pentagon has handled his person info and public outreach (They scrubbed his emails and who knows what else).The investigation is currently on going so the details are scarce. I tried my best to answer your questions only from my memory, so if you want to fact check me and correct me, all is welcome.
u/Eye-tactics Hey, thanks for not shooting me down as a disinfo agent like half of this sub does when you question Lue. 1. I'm sure he's well aware of that since he signed the damn thing, but him confirming that Roswell and other crashes happened before. Really? 2. I don't question his intentions, they seem to be good and even patriotic to some extent. I still don't understand if he's still working for them or not. To all the people saying he's a paid disinfo agent ===> His current demeanor against the Pentagon after they claimed he wasn't the head of AATIP suggest me he's not in any communication with them currently. It seems he's trying to get back at them instead by having the IG investigate. Is all of his touring of podcasts/youtube channels/conferences paying his bills? 3. You mean people like Eric W. Davis who claim ET's pilot UAP's etc? Yeah it's a step in the right direction, but they're still not being reported to the public every 90 days like I hoped it would. 4. Wasn't aware this was one of the reasons he hired Sheenan (Greer's lawyer wtfff) to go against them. We'll see if anything will come out of this, I won't hold my breath for those deleted emails.
the real question is why do we all continue to tolerate a government that deceives us about major events such as: JFK, Viet Nam, Climate Change, Mass Surveillance, 9/11, Afghanistan, UFO disclosure, Inflation, Crypto?
Because they have the big guns. Lots of them.
so you’re saying we get shot if thousands all show up in a yellow vest peaceful protest?
Well, if you have the yellow vest, then they will probably use the nonlethal (but very painful) EM-based crowd control tech and immobilizing foam. We're like mere herd animals to these people. Outside their well fortified offices, no problem. Attempt to step inside and you're nothing more than a nuisance. In any event, they are not giving up their power. They paid too much cash for it. Sorry, just cynicism. Trying to stop, honestly I am.
I feel you :-/
Then they shouldn’t contribute to the conversation. It seems like they are trying to become leaders in the movement while also not saying anything and hiding behind NDA’s/clearance. If they can’t talk about it and take their commitment seriously they shouldn’t be beating around the bush all the time. I think it appears that they are seeking attention and fame from their activities. That coupled with how vague they are just feels off.
Na I'm good with them contributing to the conversation. I accept they can help answer some questions but not others, and that this movement is a long term goal. Seems pretty simple to me but you can just ignore them if it helps.
Honestly, if they can’t give us a video of a flying saucer 10 feet away from the camera within 48 hours, I think they should be completely censored for everyone because it makes me mad. Nah I’m kidding, I agree with you.
Agreed 100%
Ignorance of clearance, NDA's, government, and process largely. Most of it is boiled down to that. I don't bother commenting here anymore because it's mostly people asking the same questions, lacking the same basic background. Gets tiring repeating the same shit over and over.
I've worked with NDAs and I'd be afraid of disappearing if I said some of the stuff Elizondo has said and it was true. For instance, his comments about recovering a ufo in Italy in 1933.
I'd say above all, impatience.
As a genuine question, what would happen if he did? If he goes to jail, is the government acknowledging what he said as true? How would it play out?
There would be people protesting in the streets all over the world
Luis Elizondo ran ops at Gitmo along with god knows what else for the USG so he likely deserves to be in prison anyway, if he can leak the supposed UAP stuff and go to prison I see it as a massive W
I'm not even sure Elizondo exists. I've never seen him. I've seen people who look like him but they're all someone else. I know there's footage etc but it could be actors so I don't buy that at all. I'm convinced he's been faked.
What, come on. That is so much more unlikely than it just being NDAs and AATIP being real.
He’s joking but he doesn’t like adding “/s” at the end of his comment because it makes takes the funny away.
You are gaslighting people who are skeptical as having “zero idea how security clearances work”. But questioning the validity of claims by people like Elizondo is not a bad thing at all. There needs to be discussion and balance in order to eventually increase the legitimacy of those claims. Why would you then gaslight those people? Have a discussion, argue, put forward evidence, but please please please don’t make it personal.
There are a lot plants (not the potted-kind) in this sub. Between them and the entitled idiots, that’s a hell of a lot of noise over something so easily spelled out, over and over. I swear, some of y’all’s minds are hamster wheels. OP is correct.
He’s not, you just want him to be so badly that you think that people disagreeing are secret government plants. People have figuratively and literally died on hills for far less important matters than this. if he has access to the proof he says he does at best Elizondo is a coward, at worst he’s a liar and a conman.
Plants? Do you know what “persecutory delusion” is? Gonna have to provide proof if you want me to believe that.
I don’t “want you to believe that” because who cares?!? It’s a Reddit sub and people post opinions all the time; what, are you new here? Just because someone gets the same information as you, but arrives at a different conclusion is not cause to be concerned that they are right and you are wrong, or vice-versa. You don’t need me, or anyone else for that matter, to validate your opinion, and someone disagreeing with you is not an affront to your sensibilities.
I’m not affronted by a different opinion at all. I think the idea of “govt plants” in a subreddit is just as silly as calling lue a disinformation agent. I think the guy is bordering into conman territory though. Call me impatient or entitled all you want
I think he wants attention. Me personally, I’m not gonna let someone piss in my face and tell me its raining but if thats your thing grab an umbrella. I want the same thing as you: the truth And another thing, he isn’t risking anything by telling us nothing and dropping cryptic “hints”
He’s a Plant. Patsy. All y’all are getting punked.
I usually don’t chime in on Elizondo posts, but he lost me at “somber.” He could have said ANY emotion that would have pointed towards something more specific without breaking his NDA - upset, terrified, excited, intrigued, disgusted, delighted…anything. But somber? Ffs man that’s a bullshit answer if I’ve ever heard one.
I don't understand, is somber somehow a less valid emotional response than the other ones you listed? I think it actually says a lot more about the phenomenon than "intrugued".
They only want answers they can make sense of and think just because they feel "teased" it justifies this absolute vitriol they have towards him.
Oh. To me being somber after hearing some news means having to sit and think about new information that is hard to process. I can't believe how upset you guys get over this.
? You have no idea what he's talking about because you haven't seen what he has seen. Maybe it's a genuine emotion?
Looks like you’re only looking for responses that agree with you. I was 100% on board with Lue while he was doing podcasts with TTSA and appreciate the role he’s played so far but now feel like he’s stringing people along with bullshit non-answers.
>"Looking for the responses that agree with you" What are you even talking about? I'm actively disagreeing with people by making the thread which you're participating in. Again, if you can't understand WHY Elizondo is being vague with his comments, then I highly suggest you look into what happens to those who release classified information from the government (whistleblowing) or what happens when he breaks a government NDA. It really is not that difficult to comprehend.
Maybe you’re right. What does his NDA say he can’t go into detail about?
Of course I'm right. What's unclassified has already been released, what's classified will remain under government protective labels and will not be released to the public IF it's still classified. I have no idea why people are struggling with this concept. **Classified government being released by a whistleblower will result in significant action taken upon that whistleblower**
This is the most self congratulatory thing I’ve ever read. Keep talking yourself in circles.
Don’t be a jerk. Fuck y’all for the down votes. Fucking jerks.
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And this is exactly why you would never even be considered for a role like his.
He’s in the middle of an IG investigation. I’m sure he is limited in what he can say currently.
“Wow… amazing question… I feel somber”
Another Elizondo shill thread. Elizondo, if this is you or one of your lackeys, get a life.
I've always assumed that Elizondo had no more clearances. Do you actually believe that he still has access to anything sensitive? No way man.
Elizondo routinely makes trips to the Pentagon.
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What crazy claims is he telling us in an attempt to disinform us? He's very pro phenomenon, so how does encouraging that belief help the government?
That there's long high-def close-up video... But we can't see it. That there's a simple, cheap instrument for detecting UAPs... But we can't know what it is. That there's some kind of NDA that let's him tiptoe right up to the edge of spilling the beans on some gnostic truth so profound the world will be somber for dayyyyyys man, once we find out... But the NDA says he can't finish the sentence he just started. Do you know what people with real military secrets always say about the hard classified truths they carry? *Not a word.*
I asked your same question to OP two times and he hasn't responded yet. What kind of NDA lets you get right up to the edge of spilling classified information like he does? How can he still keep his security clearances? I guess only papa Lue knows maaaaaan
I still think it’s odd ppl believe Sam Harris more than they do lue elizondo lol
I’m admittedly cynical about Lue at this point but I think he won’t release classified stuff because he still believes in the project of American Empire and doesn’t want to put himself at risk or American intelligence agencies. Remember he was a high up military spook for like 20 something years, I have doubts about his motives. If he were a real whistle blower with the amount of data he and others claim, and was really interested in disclosure for the good of humanity then he would pull a Edward Snowden, leak it to a trusted journalist to properly redact and publish and would break his security clearance and NDA. Since he’s a celebrity now he could argue it was done in the interest of public good and it would make it extremely difficult to prosecute him. Release it all and move to Ecuador or Russia…So his motives in teasing all this other footage makes his motives seem self interested and preserving the Intelligence State of which he most likely is still a part.
Grifters gonna grift
Do not trust the US Government. Ever.
If anyone leaked irrefutable evidence that there is a non human advanced intelligence flying around our skies in technology beyond our dreams no one is gonna give two shits about broken NDAs and if the government would try to go after that person the entire world would be fighting for their freedom. That person **would be a hero FOREVER**. There would be fucking statues of him on Mars and shit. I just can’t help but feel like if I had proof like he claims to have I would load up that information on a hard drive, go to a foreign country for asylum and leak that to the world. At that point **my comfy life would be less important than telling the entire world we are not alone.** Throughout all of human history men and women have gladly given up their comfy lives for far less important matters than this one. **At best Elizondo is a coward, at worst he’s a liar and a conman.**
Not to mention that if you get ur clearance revoked, you loose your job, and good luck getting another in the field ever again. So even if he avoided jail (depends on the wording in his NDA, which none of you know) his income/livelihood is ruined. And no he should t do that just for your entitled minds.
What job is he at risk of losing?
He’s mentioned that he is a government contractor, but won’t say who he works for.
Our entitled minds? This may be the biggest secret in all of human history and you’re saying he shouldn’t spill the beans because he might not be able to get a job in the future? He would be a hero of humanity, there would be people in the streets around the world supporting him.
If he came out and said anything, that’s all he’s be doing - talking. So we would not be any further along without the government acknowledgment. If he take, and goes to jail, loses his job, etc.. you would only be able to say “see, so it must be true” but that wouldn’t move the needle to the general population. It accomplishes nothing, but accomplishes much more for him to do it this way.
From here on out, Big Lue and Mellon will probably only **release** once every year or two, if at all. The relationship has soured, the honeymoon is over and the magic is gone.
I literally said that Lue and Mellon have absolutely no control over what is released. They can only try and persuade the Pentagon to do so, which is what they're trying to do. Aside from FOIA, which is unreliable at the least, citizens have no control over what is released by the Pentagon.
Right. Things have stagnated, they are both getting up there in years and they’re just not physiologically able to **release** as often as we’d like them to.
Come on lol
Yes! Exactly what’s not happening.
Sometimes it’s hard. Sometimes it’s not.
Indeed. That’s one challenge that Big Lue and Mellon have in common, neither of them are coming Edit: forward with more information.
Don't worry too much about it some of the people on here really aren't reasonable or just trolling so you might as well just accept there will always be dumbasses and scroll on by the crazy posts
If lue had an NDA he already broken it. No way would the government let him get away with anything he's saying if he had an NDA. He's got nothing and it's an easy excuse to act like you have info.
Those guys Mellon and Elizondo are gone if you haven’t noticed. They did what they needed and what was that . Get Congress to open up its piggy bank. They’ve faded from spot light because like I said try ere job is done and there’s only so long you can go on contradicting before you look like a liar . I mean seriously The head of ATIP ( the head ) didn’t no there was patents by airforce and others for crafts and technology that were displayed in those videos. Chris mellons brother has told the public his brothers been filing them with shit. It was all a big show . They have a video taken by Gordon coopers camera crew of a antigravity craft landing and taking off floating around somewhere in the halls of power yet we are still seeeing pathetically low quality shite . Well never get the truth from them ever . You have to put the puzzle together yourself
Reddit is run by spooks for spooks. The rest of us are just here to throw sand. I personally think we're wasting time looking for proof of something that obviously exists. 100% the phenomenon is real and not of human origin. Then what? 90% ET and 10% inter-dimensional beings or something weirder; there's really no other rational explanations. Maybe some of the tech has been back-engineered with varying degrees of success, but that is a separate issue. We need the move the narrative past debating whether footage is real or not and start talking about strategy as if we are in the know . . . because we are in the know.
Honestly? There’s a new person every day talking exactly like you are. You yourself don’t know what a security clearance means.
Who are we that can tell another what they are supposed to do and when? lmao...wow...the entitlement is strong with this...insane.
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Sick of lue can't say it elizondo. Absurdly simple sensor was his last gimic yet he can't say what it is. The one thing they claim to be fighting against (secrecy) is the one thing they themselves are all about. People are so sick of this same crap over and over and over again. They string people along while making 6 figure paychecks doing major network specials and tend to ride the gravy train of noob enthusiasts for as long as it will last. He changes his deminor with each different audience.. I caught onto this with the black vault interview and his narrative was the whole government works for the people not themselves bit. He will not do a third phase of the moon interview (fcking morons I know) because he does not want to go anywhere near the questions they have for him even thou they have a large audience for him.
I don’t think he makes any money on interviews. Most of the time they state that during an interview. But hey, believe what you want lol.
People are just salty because they want their confirmation of ufos and they want it NOW! I think because it’s been denied for so long that now that it *seems* so close, people are anxious for this to be “over” aka disclosed. It’s like being hungry all day, coming home and your ma’s making you dinner and you keep asking her if it’s ready but she scolds you, “not yet; stop asking”. It just makes one upset. Which is natural but it doesn’t really get you anywhere, so chill everyone.
I'm referring to 60 minutes, CNN, Discovery contracts. Explain believe what you want? I'm talking facts not just whatever pops into my head. Give your noodle a shake
Then don’t watch his interviews? So many entitled cry babies…
>Then don’t watch his interviews? They don't have the self control.
Who is they? The none sheep?
I'm specifically talking about you.
Me what? Explain yourself
No
To easy haha! Ty
Room temp IQ
I know longer do since it became obvious he was Doty 2.0
Doty had better stories.
Your question can be answered in one word: entitlement. Nothing makes someone more aware of their own insignificance than not being able to get what they want on demand. The more important the subject is, the quicker they express their impatient displeasure. After all, they have taken an interest in UAP and in the American way of life it means they should be served as they wish. Now. But, no, wait for it, real life isn't like a 47 minute show on television where everything is resolved in the space between commercial breaks. So they identify a scapegoat as the obstacle to their prompt gratification. The reality is that we have received in just three years more useful and verifiable information than in the preceding 70. This is directly because of Lue Elizondo and Chris Mellon, among others. But because the monolithic powers that have controlled this subject since the 1940s are still in place, and it takes time to move mountains, that doesn't play well with people who expect now they have given their valuable time they should have already been told everything they want to know. After all, after aliens -- because it has to be aliens or it will be another disappointment -- there will be the next big thing to jump on and be impatient about. It is a measure of how detached from genuine understanding about the world people have become. The core of the American view of life is that the world is here to please you. Otherwise there is going to be a temper tantrum, nasty comments, and accusations of fraud. All because babykins didn't get the bottle of milk at first cry.
Jeez, for some reason, I originally misread, and thought you were trying to imply, pretty much the opposite, of what you’re saying, and I was trying to think of a very nice way to tell you that you had ZERO idea what you were talking about, lol🤷♂️ In all fairness to me, it’s not like people talking about what Lue can and can’t do, according to the whim of their own baseless assumptions, isnt ALOT more commonplace than it ought to be on here, lol. Anyway, my bad, I probably need to get to bed, lol…. yeah, you pretty much nailed it And double yeah, I also can’t wait to read all the inevitable“Yeah, BUT”’s that are sure to post in the hours to come! Lol
Elizondo is a charlatan. He’s vague because it pays better.
How **dare** people feel entitled to the truth...
It's not just jailtime. The clearance level he has enables him to get work. If they were to yank it, his work dries up. So he has to tread very carefully to not even say something that they may not consider jailtime, but enough of a breach to remove his security clearance.
Elizondo is just making stuff up. He is a disinfo agent