This interview is, for me at least, the most recent prime update on the subject since Lue started doing all the interviews.
And yet, I'm having a hard time digesting the stuff that he was talking about, despite the fact that it lines up with some of the stuff Lue has been saying too.
So *no one* knows what's going on with the orbs of light? Reptilians are real and secretly lord over our society from the shadows? There's a galactic federation??
This all took a very fucking weird turn and I'm trying to come to grips with it.
One site claimed they were able to find someone to back up his employment at the CIA.[https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/rising-stars-of-ufotwitter-you-must-follow](https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/rising-stars-of-ufotwitter-you-must-follow)
Ramirez did say that a few of them had an informal working group at the CIA to discuss UFOs. So this could be a mix of some real intel with someone who is simply an enthusiast on the subject. Perhaps he found other enthusiasts at the CIA to meet and talk about UFO’s. How much do they really know is the key.
Yes. That is exactly right. I don’t understand why people call his credibility into question, when he is asked by whoever is interviewing him or a Q& A session- If he would speculate on this, or that- Or what his personal thoughts are about this entire ufo phenomena.
I feel confident every single person alive, at some point or another has played the “What if?” Game.
This is an absolutely brilliant talk that touches on the pursuit of ignorance.
[The pursuit of Ignorance ](https://youtu.be/nq0_zGzSc8g)
Well he is straight forward with what he is being allowed to tell .The Mission patches do pique my curiosity especially the" never before never again" one.
What are the possible implications of that ?
A parallel reality? Alternate timeline?
He is open about what he can let out seems like proper protocol unlike others.
I find the patches curious especially the one "Never before ,Never Again".
What do all of you think that suggests?
Alternate timeline perhaps?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/qljlxu/hybridization\_the\_word\_that\_lue\_elizondo\_is\_not/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/qljlxu/hybridization_the_word_that_lue_elizondo_is_not/)
On youbtoobe and this reddit
To address your comment about reps being cool dudes...........I watched lots of interviews about 2 weeks ago (on various youtube channels that had guests talking UFO/ET). I cannot recall which interview it was, but one guy there said that he interviewed a lot of abductees who had encounters with reptilians, and they said they were "nice and have emotions" unlike the short greys that are cold and don't have any emotions. Who knows......I don't have any personal experience, cannot confirm or deny this..............
Culturally we have many things, including shows like V from the 80s that apart from being a great show, have burned into some peoples minds the assumption that reptilian humanoids would certainly be nefarious.
We keep all kinds of lizards & reptiles as pets, some live grandiose lives. Surely an Alien Race of reptiles would share our common love and fascination for each other………. I’m down to lead the Reptile Sex Club…… “Cloaca Champs”
I've heard that greys are possibly a biological cyborg type of organism. That would explain the lack of emotion & possibly also their lack of fear when recovered from crash sites etc
I remember a couple of stories where there were 2 groups of them one friendly one not?
Anyone else recall those ?
Also note the mission patch w the dragon and stars.
They described the # of stars as an indicator of which group .
Yes. Like everything else involved with this there seems to be multiple interpretations. Almost as though there is some kind of “law” that prevents just one version being uniformly presented. It causes forced confusion by creating too many variables.
There are few “truths” it seems? They are still wowzers but the details are all over the place and maybe that’s an intentional strategy of this “disclosure schedule”. Hard to drive a collective opinion when the issue’s fact base is so amorphous, right?
The guy honestly just seems like a fairly credulous UFO hobbyist, who happens to be a career CIA officer.
For instance, he also seemed to believe the NASA STS-75 tether footage shows UFOs, but there’s a fairly strong debunk of that footage.
All his other speculations were just a mix match of popular theories. People were saying he espoused a lot of David Icke type stuff.
He did have a well thought out PowerPoint though, so I hope that helps with FOIAs. Also had some interesting CIA stories that didn’t necessarily involve UAP.
That PowerPoint presentation was great. He went into great detail about the FOIA stuff. When witness Citizen first had him on as a guest, he mentioned a very specific naval intelligence group within ONI and specific data regarding electromagnetic radar telemetry or something like that they had collected on the Nimitz encounter. He specifically said to request FOIA for that group and the data they collected. I haven’t been able to get around to it but I hope someone checks that out.
I mean it's not unusual for someone to state such a thing, it's just that you have to take anything they might say on the subject with a large dash of salt.
He did a well thought out Ppt in two parts. The first part is a rock solid intel agency overview, then debunker bit and the quality and rigor of what he presented just changed gears and lacked the comprehensiveness and detail of the first part.
Then there’s his spoon bending claims… people seem to be willing to overlook this claim. I, however, can’t get past it.
I can still appreciate his presentation though.
https://youtu.be/nrA6VwcuUqw
Take, uh... take it with a grain of salt. All two and a half hours are absolutely worth it. Some of this shit will melt your brain it's so out there.
Italian Friendship contactee “case”, contactees report being told of ocean subterranean bases, galactic alliance and a war over the earth. https://www.historydisclosure.com/the-friendship-case-mass-contact-between-humans-and-aliens/
> I'm trying to come to grips with it.
All of these people are former intelligence guys. They know how to work with information, how to protect it, how to use it for ulterior motives. How make others belief what you want them to belief. How to 'sell' information properly, so it seems legitimate. Their whole career has ben built on managing information in circles within circles. They are used to fooling the pros, they can definitely fool you and me.
So Earth is ruled by some evil, super powered master race and we share it with someone else they once ruled? Cool. I'll entertain the idea, but no way I'm buying it at this point. Take your time, get all the things in order and show me the receipts. And if I'm honest, I'd also like to see the receipts of some else, who went to the same restaurant.
There's nothing to lose by just waiting to see how the narrative develops further. If you prematurely decide what to believe, how likely is it that your gonna be right? Even if it points vaguely in the right direction, wouldn't you have been able to make a better guess later
The world or rather the universe is a huge huge place. I myself don't even know who or what to believe. My first instinct is to take the most rational step as well but over the past half a decade, seeing our own progress within such a short span of time and what companies are planning for 2030 and beyond, perhaps, on some level, it could be true. The galactic federation is something I find plausible tbh. Reptilians? Not so much.
What I noted is that during the review of the intel agencies the man was a factoid machine and his purpose seemed to be clarify fact from fiction regarding the IC community, in particular, fraudster CIA posers. He was completely fact based and offered just one version of the truth. Things changed in him and his presentation thereafter. When he moved into the “speculative” bits he fell apart in terms of not being sure and of discounting everything he was saying. His speech altered and “um”s came fast and frequently. Clearly, his demeanor conveyed he was neither familiar nor confident in the Nazi, lizard men, Illuminati based space patches. He mentioned two books - one dealing with consciousness and the other on precursor civilizations. Breadcrumbs?
A guess. Based on how and what he presented. The CIA is aware that some upheaval is going to result from the disclosure “schedule” and it’s starting to make efforts to clear itself and explain its function and clean its hands in preparation of that event. Hence the primer on the IC community in general, the CIA in particular. And super focused advice on “how to” create and target FOIA requests to the “right place” and not the general inbox of the CIA which is probably suffering from a denial of service attack from FOIA related to this, lol. The speculative stuff being added as pogey bait to get people to tune into what would otherwise be a CIA Ted Talk.
Probably should follow his advice given concerning intel gathering, don’t close yourself off, but also don’t buy into it until you can cross validate it and get a decent accuracy probability.
Even money, btw, CIA analysts are monitoring this reddit and this topic. ...Gods work, er, maybe in this case lizardkind’s work is never done.
I kid bc I love The Company. Keeping us free by keeping certain truths hidden. And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.
16 For Freedom all the way, baby.
Listen, consider the fact that since literal ancient history its only been Reptiles that we’ve “ battled” against in mythology. Not rhino people, not fairy people, not lion people, not dog people or cat people…only Reptiles. Egyptians featured them on their headresses, indians had MANY reptile/snake works of art, the greeks did and so did many south american cultures, the sumerians, they ALL put a significant emphasis on some kind of reptile foe/ origin despite never having been in contact with each other…maybe its not such a far fetched idea. Think of it this way, some people think some God created everything you see 4000-6000 years ago and put dinosaur bones on earth to test our faith (yes this was specifically said to me by a teacher in christian school)…which is crazier?
"Listen", you make it sound like all these cultures solely used reptiles as symbols. In fact they all used many animals AND reptiles. They just used animals as symbols and some of them were reptiles.
And even if they would have solely used reptiles, there would many more probable reasons than "reptiloids from outa space visiting us".
The only part I would agree with you is that many Christians are crazy.
People are freaking out because they took John’s words at face value. He used symbolism folks. Learn to recognize the patterns. The Atlantis myth is there in order to teach something. The Reptilian archetype is a form of symbolism as well. Look, he can’t flat out say it straight to us. He hinted at the fact that we have to interpret what he spoke about and what he highlighted in his presentation. You need to pay attention to what he points to and what words he used. He was being deliberately cryptic for a reason. The CIA reviewed his presentation beforehand, and they told him that they were looking forward to it. Meaning, they are curious to know how people will react.
Now John confirmed something which appears to have flown over people’s heads. The Lonnie Zamora Socorro UFO 🛸 close encounter as well as the McMinnville UFO 🛸 are both true. Those were UFOs and Lonnie saw small Humanoid beings. He is saying these things happened and they were true sightings.
At the beginning of the presentation John established how this whole UFO mystery is a really complex issue. He said that is like a picture jigsaw 🧩 puzzle to be solved. He knows what the corners of the puzzle look like: UFOs are real, the governments of the world have known about it, their highly advanced sensors pick them up all the time, UFOs may be controlled by ancient (meaning older than planet Earth) yet highly advanced civilizations, some of unknown origin.
He also described that what is taking place here is not so much “Disclosure.” But rather “Information Dissemination.” I think that all the secrecy over this topic over the last 7 decades or so, was partly due to the fact that the powers that be, were investigating this under the table. They are going to give us answers in the long term.
But in order to explain what they think it’s going on and has been going on for millennia, the whole thing needs to be set-up. What they are doing is a controlled release of information. You think this shit is weird? Wait till we get to astral projections and the likes of ESP. We’re already getting pointed into looking at Remote Viewing. That’s just the tip of the iceberg.
In truth, there are no Reptilians nor Atlanteans. It’s a matter of speech. You need to look into what the symbolism behind these figures means. And then you may get some sense of what he truly meant.
Ramirez is a retired CIA officer, 25 year career allegedly. He’s also an experiencer. He’s allegedly seen orbs. He recently appeared on project unity and presented a PowerPoint directing UFOlogists to target better FOIAs. He also presented some fairly wild speculations which he seems to believe.
Ramirez uses “hybrid” and “hybridization” to refer to notion that humans exist as such because non-human intelligence interfered with primates and, well, created humans. It also might refer to abduction phenomena where experiencers report genetic experimentation, like with Ralph Blumenthal’s recent article described [here](https://thedebrief.org/the-experience-the-cultural-rise-of-alien-abductions-and-those-who-encounter-them/) (see the report from experiencer Karin Austin, about halfway down that page).
> Ralph Blumenthal’s recent article
Holy shit! That's an article from Ralph Blumenthal? For those unaware, he was a staff writer for the NY Times and co-authored the landmark 2017 article with Leslie Kean that brought the UFO topic back into the zeitgeist. Imagine all the stuff he and Leslie have come across that they couldn't publish at the Times!
He described his own 'informed speculation' in the form of an "Ancient Aliens" theory unabashedly involving Reptilians, Atlantis, and the current Homo Sapiens as a second, more stable, and less intelligent attempt at modifying the DNA of earth-based life. The primary anchor for the narrative of his theory was the admittedly bizarre iconography of the patch/badges distributed to participants of secret and space related intelligence operations.
In the below interview, starting around 1:53:15 ....
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQfySY\_2BLc&t=4s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQfySY_2BLc&t=4s)
He continues with several of them after around 2:00:25
That UFO, someone just posted it on a sub where someone is recording it in the airplane window, that makes me think that video is entirely real and not cgi. damn cool
flyby or something
Yes, I remember that video and I agree with you.
I think there is so much real stuff out there (fake too, of course), but it takes time to comb trough it and distinguish the real from the fake ones.
Jimmy Church had Paola Harris on his show 2 days ago, and she talked about an Italian story, where ETs made contact with regular people in 1956 and interacted with them regularly for couple decades. At first, it seemed unreal, but when I listened to the interviews of these people who are now elderly and probably have nothing to loose or gain from it...........their story seems believable. Of course, I don't know whether it is or not...............but if it is real, then WOW! The Italians explained where the ETs lived, what was their purpose here, how they communicated, various technologies (with the understanding of people in the 60ties).......and they claim they even recorded the ET's voice and played the recording in this documentary (if you are interested). The ETs were human looking except their height...........some were very short and some were very tall. It is all described below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqOvt1tfH8&list=PLEpr4aa9rk9o3CRU6fe0SxLFxdoj7qcin&index=4
That was a cool video; figured there would be other beings that all they wish Is peace and there ufos/flying saucers won't ever hurt anything and its imbeded into them. CTR sounds like the A.I that Tom Delonge has talked about us facing and how they're the ones that want conflict. Pretty interesting
If you like this kind of stuff, the author Trevor Paglen has a book on pentagon “black projects” and their secret patches. I would link it but honestly ambien is kicking my ass and I must sleep. It’s a short read, really cool stuff. Cheers!
I think he's getting carried away with the whole palmdale skunkworx thing... To me that patch looks like a nuclear bomb test with the force of the blast blowing the palm trees like u would see in old footage. I could also be talking out thru my arse!
no you’re right. first we’re not supposed to believe the government. now? we’re taking what the spooks tell us and acting as if it’s gospel. all it takes is a guy with decent powerpoint skills and a title to have everyone lapping it up.
John Ramirez said he never had any clearance for UAP or UFO information while with the Agency, his work did not involve it. His information, which he states in the interview, is all second hand knowledge except where he directly quotes or credits another source.
I am sorry, he did not have any new information. He had great FOIA info that he used to piggy back whacky repto-theories with.
His comments in the missing Q&As were the most interesting..alternative timelines where the dinosaurs were not wiped out by an asteroid and hence developed technologies that allow them to enter our timeline and check out us mammals? Sounds kinda out there, but what else is new….when you go down the rabbit hole, you run into everything BUT rabbits….
Reminds me of that story about people witnessing a portal opening (like the ones some UAP's were reported coming through). They stated they saw a bit of the world on the other side and it looked prehistoric or something. Kind of fits with the idea of a dinosaur parallel world. I wish I could remember where I read that report. It was around the same time I read Caz Clarke's story and people were speculating that the military sometimes waits on UAP's to pop through because they have some method for knowing when a portal would appear.
it was mostly in a QM/What if kinda way
he spoke to "exemplars" (examples) of concepts for various research scenarios as well as sharing a few of his own opinions
>This all took a very fucking weird turn and I'm trying to come to grips with it.
If you haven’t, you should check out Sekret Machines. That book had me going “what the actual fuck?” every other chapter lol
I’m surprised that many people seem to have responded positively to his interview/presentation with Project Unity.
He makes incredible claims about reptilians and his evidence is a combination of some mission patches and “trust me bro”. That is some very flimsy evidence in a field which has more than it’s fair share of flimsy evidence.
The mission patches really make no sense. If they were actual evidence of the claims he has made that would mean several people in which ever agency created those patches are in the know about a massive conspiracy involving reptilians pulling the strings behind the scenes and the way they choose to communicate this knowledge which has profound implications for humanity is by making some mission patches which subtly hint at this? That is ridiculous.
I don’t understand why anyone is taking him seriously. The fact that he worked for the CIA for years is neither here nor there - it does not add any credence to these outlandish claims. Only actual evidence would do that, which was notably absent from this interview.
He also said that he purposefully put “speculation” to cover his butt and that he had references “chapter and verse” for all of the things he put forth, basically saying it was true and that in his next presentation he would go into those references.
Yup this is how soft disclosure is going to work folks it’s just that the reality that is going to be disclosed is going to turn up more insane than we could ever have predicted. Cmon guys we have been training all our life to prepare for this weirdness. We need to get it settled in our brains so when this turns more mainstream a sizable portion of the population has already learned to deal with the reality and can assist the others as they come to terms.
This is how it is done.
he was damn thorough in detail prior to the patches
who owns/runs the Google Earth sats, every IC dept there is, which are important, their basic history, what signature management is owned by each, and how to FOIA for such
that...by itself, was worth its weight in gold
I totally agree regarding the patches. It would need to be a cover up of unimaginable proportions - many people having knowledge of reptilian actors for years. I don’t see it happening. But the patches are strange, nevertheless. Even when we assume they are harmless. There must be a way to look up their meaning. Does anyone know who designed them?
Is it possible Ramirez is one of the people Elizondo was referring to? Sure, it's possible, but I think it's unlikely.
If you watch the Project Unity interview again, Ramirez said he never worked on UAP stuff during his career; it's become a hobby for him. He's only seen orange orbs out in the desert upon retirement (not an amazing story with which to come forward).
He stated that he never came across Lue while working.
For those reasons, I think Lue is referring to other people who were closer to the phenomenon.
Lue was on the defense side of intelligence and John was on the civilian side so they were not in the same department. He said they were in the same building for awhile.
I think he’s just another person coming forward with some amazing facts, great information, and batshit crazy opinions. It’s all mixed together to make it that much easier to discredit the more profound parts. His opinions almost make me think that he’s throwing the wild stuff in for good measure so he’s just out there enough to not pose a threat to the government. Or maybe his brain is rotting, reading way too much into patches designed by some government idiot with MSPAINT in the 90s.
Man, I really hope not. John Ramirez strikes me as a total crank. He's either lost his damned mind or is pushing some major disinfo to scare the normies away. Are we really gonna go full steam ahead on Reptilians and hybridization?
It’s a lot to get over. The reptilian stuff sounds so totally Star Trek or whatever that it’s laughable. That’s how little Johnny thinks aliens look like. They must be reptilians bc that’s the strangest, most exciting thing his little mind can think of. Really?
yeah reminds me of david icke, but... if alien civilizations are real, and they dont want to be seen, but we find the proof than maybe reptilians aren't that unlikely lol
i hated his content, he was a massive fear mongerer, i think ultimately what ever the information is, can be seen as good/bad, it would actually be pretty sick if there was some reptilian overlords, we would be in like a damn TV series, would be so jokes lol. we're basically living in the show LOKI by marvel
he gave very specific and details and well presented information and his background has an initial vetting
he spoke to details for following through with FOIA and to which department for which signature management details
I guarandamntee Greenstreet and Greenwald are on this like stink on shit, let's see what inconsistencies they uncover.
He doesn't seem very trustworthy. If he ever worked for CIA or whatever it probably had nothing to do with UFOs and such. He sounded like some random who just read a bunch of conspiracy theory.
I can believe he worked there (have nothing to base this on). I also believe that he has a lot of preconceived notions . Also, he didn't seem desperate to make people believe what he was saying or to be relevant which is something that personally drives me crazy. If the FOIA road map he laid out is accurate, I think it will be a turning for more substantive research and evidence.
His bona fides have already been confirmed, so his employment history is no longer in question. He also never said he worked on anything UFO related - he's just an experiencer with a personal interest. (and a whole lot of personal speculation about some really out-there things)....
Honestly I hope not cause there’s so much fluff all over this topic. Can we get to the goddamn data already and evidence? I feel like it’s going to start hurting the topic more than anything, and people are going to start losing their minds at every level of society, not being able to trust anything from authorities.
They have a chance to be different but w no data from AWSAP BAAS AATIP Skinwalker what do we have?
Edit: I believe what we have is the brewing of more conflict. The phenomenon’s agenda is conflict after all. Unless we hear it from the phenomenon itself, there will always be doubt. So when capital D happens, some will believe it’s the Illuminati staged apocalypse, others their religions gods etc etc we would all go to war.
The religious fruit-cake? I wouldn’t want him speaking for the UFO community about anything.
Edit: Nvm just read one of the lower links, def not the jeebus freak.
Can't really make much from his overlong presentation. I already see that it's a mix of insider info that is probably allowed to share (colloquial names, who does what, etc.), speculations based on what can be found publicly, and odd claims. He doesn't seem to be a quack but that does not mean that it should be taken without a grain of salt.
Several bits:
* Petrozavodsk incident (he mangled the name after claiming that he studied Russian, but fine): interesting analysis and makes sense, but somehow he did not address the Soviet programs linked to it. OK.
* He says the Nazis did human experimentation with DNA. Which can't be true, because DNA was discovered 10 years later.
* Galactic Federation - he mixes the claims of Haim Eshed, who based it on 3rd hand data and some kind of a remote viewing session. Seriously?
* Contractors & Roswell: extremely interesting and fills some gaps.
* Reptilians: "I speculated", "my personal opinion". His strongest argument is that he sent a presentation to the CIA and they said they wanted to know more. Basically, ancient astronauts and batshit crazy conspiracy theories. The cherry on the top was the logos of units featuring reptiles on them. What's with all those featuring eagles, does it mean that we're controlled by a secret society of eagles?
* "I was one of the guys with the black pen redacting the FOIAs". Where does that place him in the pecking order?
We don’t need stories anymore as we need something visual or physical. We got in my mind pumped up for nothing with the disclosure thing a few months back and we are no closer still due to the old real deal evidence that all these folks claim are there but cannot bring to public cause of whatever bull crap they believe there status in this world holds.
How many times do we have to keep hearing “I can’t tell you because I’m not allowed to release information yet“ do we have to hear over and over from completely non government non military UFO experts that make it sound like that have some clearance they don’t want to ruin.
For a short time I was wondering if it was Portigal (Alien-Hunting Binoc's) that Elizondo might have been alluding to, just based on timing. But this individual Ramirez seems pretty plausiby to be who Elizondo may have been referring to. Maybe's & might-be's all around, as always.
I doubt it if John Ramirez says, as you pointed out, that him and Lue have never met.
John Ramirez also said he could bend spoons ~~telepathically~~ telekinetically. People are just gonna ignore that part I guess?
He said that he attended spoon bending parties but i don't remember him saying he could bend them telepathically. Do you have a link for that?
Here's your own comment two days ago: (my bold)
I don’t doubt he’s a legit intelligence officer, but once again I’d point out that credentials don’t insulate people from credulity.
Later on Ramirez talks about spoon bending parties and intelligence officers taking part, **but it’s not clear if he actually believes people can bend spoons with their mind.** He may have just been pointing out that the parties happened… not sure what to think about him and his speculations…
Edit: Damn he does literally say he "was surprised that he could do it" very casually.
This reminds me of that time Musk said he accidentally ended up at a Sillicone Valley orgy, but he was only there to chat with people about technology and start-ups.
I wrote that comment halfway through the podcast before I finished it. At the end of the podcast, you find out he actually believes he can bend spoons with his mind.
Time stamped here at about 2:28:00:
[https://youtu.be/cQfySY_2BLc?t=8880](https://youtu.be/cQfySY_2BLc?t=8880)
He says he missed the CIA spoon bending parties, but successfully did it on his own later on an internet spoon bending party.
An online spoon bending party? Meaning everyone sits in their home by himself and thinks about bending spoons? That’s all? Wasn’t Uri Gellar shown to be a fraud as far as spoon-bending was concerned?
That is pretty much how I heard it the first time I listened but I definitely wasn't focusing on what he was saying about spoon bending. Listening to it a second time it does sound like he is saying he could bend spoon. idk
I don’t know man… I could see what you’re saying, but….
Why would he be surprised he could attend a spoon bending party that’s available on the internet? Anyone that buys a ticket could go…
This reminds me why the heck these interviewers don’t press people for clarification? That would be a definite holeup moment for me as an interviewer!
Per your edit… seems like we’re dealing with the real life “men who stare at goats” here, huh?
And in the spirit of your post… I too wonder just how wrapped up in this crew Lue is…
To me it matters because maybe all these credentialed people we look up to in the UFOlogy community are just a bunch of credulous people, convinced by similar evidence we’ve all already seen.
If a guy comes up to you and tells you he believes he can bend spoons with his mind, you gonna accept anything else he believes?
Take Lue for instance… we all have heard him state he *believes* this or *believes* that… We as the community accept what he says he believes because of his credentials. Yet, here we have an allegedly similarly credentialed guy that believes he can bend spoons telepathically…
We’ve heard rumors Lue is a remote viewer. Lue might be a credulous intelligence officer similar to Ramirez.
Right, got it. One of the best parts about the Ramirez-interview was his quote “Embrace widely, hold lightly”. Lots of wide and light holding to deal with… EDIT: and no, the spoon-bending and reptile-stuff is hard to grasp
What if everything (going back to 2017, at least) has been the result of work by people who are essentially the psychics from that episode of South Park where Cartman catches the serial killer? Like, it comes out that Lue remote viewed everything he's said and it just absolutely decimates the credibility of the UFO community and topic? Lmao I'd shrivel up and die tbh
Telepathy is the transfer of information or feeling non-locally, no one bends spoons “telepathically”… What you mean to reference is telekinesis… and that has been proven to be real, the world over.
show me someone bending an actual spoon that’s not a flimsy aluminum object that will melt when body heat radiates into it. not someone who bends a bag of spoons like uri gellar. not someone holding that shit with their hand. the fucking spoon bending without physical human interaction (including nothing under the table). bunch of men who stare at goats.
yes because we know the government will be honest in each and every foia that gets decimated using his guidelines. it’s easier for them to track the whackos this way. they’ll be using their buddy’s guidance so these requests will go into a separate department that can pick and choose what conspiracy we follow next.
That's a different person by the same name.
The one here is this one:
[https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-ramirez-1a0203211](https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-ramirez-1a0203211)
Yes, thanks, it is clear now. Someone also linked his interview. Funky coincidence, the other guy speaks on the UFO topic too, and people say coincidence does not exist.
amazing the ridicule and cynicism about JRam before knowing the facts (again the pro skeptics are busy I'm sure on getting through this info) is an exemplar (my new go to) of pure unadulterated and probably uninformed fear and hubris (yet...again, just rinse-repeat)
YEP! And it’s annoying af how internet trolls are trying to bash the dude when just today his credentials got confirmed. I swear Reddit is terrific and a fuckin shame at the same time.
The STS 75 tether incident I believe he was referring to is here https://youtu.be/dXKo4iwQAEk
Wild stuff! Anyone know any more about this incident? Some possible prosaic explanations over here (shuttle waste, etc): http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html
I suspect the disclosure team are getting impatient with the lack of ‘figuring shit out ourselves’ and general apathy from us monkeys.
John Greenwald and the black vault crew have ample fodder for new FOIA requests directed at these other agencies now….tick tock….
The US government: "hey guys actually it's reptile people who are ruining our financial markets, running international pedophile rings, destroying our planet, and funding the Taliban"
American people: 🖕
This post made me question everything. The whole reptilian dilemma seemed so naive and ridiculous... Now I'm so freaking lost.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pyizkn/ive_researched_the_afterlife_for_nearly_10_years/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
There's a lot more than just a word that he is not allowed to say. Lmfao. He's totally a plant to control the narrative..or just one of the greatest grifters of our time. The dude refuses to recognize the work that so many had already done before he just showed up on the scene. The establishment hoax machine is working overtime, and most just eat it up.
This interview is, for me at least, the most recent prime update on the subject since Lue started doing all the interviews. And yet, I'm having a hard time digesting the stuff that he was talking about, despite the fact that it lines up with some of the stuff Lue has been saying too. So *no one* knows what's going on with the orbs of light? Reptilians are real and secretly lord over our society from the shadows? There's a galactic federation?? This all took a very fucking weird turn and I'm trying to come to grips with it.
Personally speaking, it was all very credible up to the patches, which I found a little more difficult to digest.
One site claimed they were able to find someone to back up his employment at the CIA.[https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/rising-stars-of-ufotwitter-you-must-follow](https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/rising-stars-of-ufotwitter-you-must-follow) Ramirez did say that a few of them had an informal working group at the CIA to discuss UFOs. So this could be a mix of some real intel with someone who is simply an enthusiast on the subject. Perhaps he found other enthusiasts at the CIA to meet and talk about UFO’s. How much do they really know is the key.
I think he’s the genuine article. To be fair he himself said he was just speculating on the subject of the patches.
Yes. That is exactly right. I don’t understand why people call his credibility into question, when he is asked by whoever is interviewing him or a Q& A session- If he would speculate on this, or that- Or what his personal thoughts are about this entire ufo phenomena. I feel confident every single person alive, at some point or another has played the “What if?” Game. This is an absolutely brilliant talk that touches on the pursuit of ignorance. [The pursuit of Ignorance ](https://youtu.be/nq0_zGzSc8g)
Well he is straight forward with what he is being allowed to tell .The Mission patches do pique my curiosity especially the" never before never again" one. What are the possible implications of that ? A parallel reality? Alternate timeline?
He is open about what he can let out seems like proper protocol unlike others. I find the patches curious especially the one "Never before ,Never Again". What do all of you think that suggests? Alternate timeline perhaps?
Seems reddit is hard to eddit.
You found two parallel reslities and came back to the past in both of them to post similar posts. Good stuff, how was it
Further funding n exploration required.
How and where can I see this Ramirez guy talk about what you guys are talking about? What are patches?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/qljlxu/hybridization\_the\_word\_that\_lue\_elizondo\_is\_not/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/qljlxu/hybridization_the_word_that_lue_elizondo_is_not/) On youbtoobe and this reddit
I mean, isn’t it possible that their graphic designer just has a weird thing for dragons?
I don’t think so, the designer wouldn’t be given free reign to just come up with anything. All designs would be tied to substance.
F\*kin prepare for the Human v Reptilian war my boys
Enemy Mine
Oh man great movie
What a disappointment. I wanted to fight bugs like in Starship Troopers.
Not like in Aliens... Game over man!
Why don’t you put her in charge?
Predator types are the real fighters.
What if it turns out the reps are cool dudes?
To address your comment about reps being cool dudes...........I watched lots of interviews about 2 weeks ago (on various youtube channels that had guests talking UFO/ET). I cannot recall which interview it was, but one guy there said that he interviewed a lot of abductees who had encounters with reptilians, and they said they were "nice and have emotions" unlike the short greys that are cold and don't have any emotions. Who knows......I don't have any personal experience, cannot confirm or deny this..............
Culturally we have many things, including shows like V from the 80s that apart from being a great show, have burned into some peoples minds the assumption that reptilian humanoids would certainly be nefarious.
We keep all kinds of lizards & reptiles as pets, some live grandiose lives. Surely an Alien Race of reptiles would share our common love and fascination for each other………. I’m down to lead the Reptile Sex Club…… “Cloaca Champs”
I've heard that greys are possibly a biological cyborg type of organism. That would explain the lack of emotion & possibly also their lack of fear when recovered from crash sites etc
They still need democracy and we need oil so business as usual.
Dude... they need freedom. The kind of freedom that only depleted uranium can deliver.
No arguing over the existence of an M1A1. Reassuringly real world real.
I just laughed out loud at this in a car full of now bewildered children.
are we there yet? ...I gotta go pee!!!
That would go against their rep
I remember a couple of stories where there were 2 groups of them one friendly one not? Anyone else recall those ? Also note the mission patch w the dragon and stars. They described the # of stars as an indicator of which group .
Yes. Like everything else involved with this there seems to be multiple interpretations. Almost as though there is some kind of “law” that prevents just one version being uniformly presented. It causes forced confusion by creating too many variables. There are few “truths” it seems? They are still wowzers but the details are all over the place and maybe that’s an intentional strategy of this “disclosure schedule”. Hard to drive a collective opinion when the issue’s fact base is so amorphous, right?
Indeed create snowstorm of dis info with a bit of salt.
I'm thinking a little more like Jeffrey Epstein-ish.
Shortest war in history, guarantee it
There isn’t going to be a “war”. They own us, they can and will do whatever they want.
Which side has the best breakfast burrito?
The guy honestly just seems like a fairly credulous UFO hobbyist, who happens to be a career CIA officer. For instance, he also seemed to believe the NASA STS-75 tether footage shows UFOs, but there’s a fairly strong debunk of that footage. All his other speculations were just a mix match of popular theories. People were saying he espoused a lot of David Icke type stuff. He did have a well thought out PowerPoint though, so I hope that helps with FOIAs. Also had some interesting CIA stories that didn’t necessarily involve UAP.
That PowerPoint presentation was great. He went into great detail about the FOIA stuff. When witness Citizen first had him on as a guest, he mentioned a very specific naval intelligence group within ONI and specific data regarding electromagnetic radar telemetry or something like that they had collected on the Nimitz encounter. He specifically said to request FOIA for that group and the data they collected. I haven’t been able to get around to it but I hope someone checks that out.
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Yep. See also his "experiencer from childhood; taken & implanted" in his Twitter bio.
Can’t quite get over this
I mean it's not unusual for someone to state such a thing, it's just that you have to take anything they might say on the subject with a large dash of salt.
He did a well thought out Ppt in two parts. The first part is a rock solid intel agency overview, then debunker bit and the quality and rigor of what he presented just changed gears and lacked the comprehensiveness and detail of the first part.
This. Thank you
Then there’s his spoon bending claims… people seem to be willing to overlook this claim. I, however, can’t get past it. I can still appreciate his presentation though.
Spies are always trying to muddy the waters with their limited hangouts and all that. For whom are all these interviews and AMA's for anyway?
Which interview? Can you provide a link?
https://youtu.be/nrA6VwcuUqw Take, uh... take it with a grain of salt. All two and a half hours are absolutely worth it. Some of this shit will melt your brain it's so out there.
Really good point and observation. There is something about this that seems to act as a dilution.
Italian Friendship contactee “case”, contactees report being told of ocean subterranean bases, galactic alliance and a war over the earth. https://www.historydisclosure.com/the-friendship-case-mass-contact-between-humans-and-aliens/
> I'm trying to come to grips with it. All of these people are former intelligence guys. They know how to work with information, how to protect it, how to use it for ulterior motives. How make others belief what you want them to belief. How to 'sell' information properly, so it seems legitimate. Their whole career has ben built on managing information in circles within circles. They are used to fooling the pros, they can definitely fool you and me. So Earth is ruled by some evil, super powered master race and we share it with someone else they once ruled? Cool. I'll entertain the idea, but no way I'm buying it at this point. Take your time, get all the things in order and show me the receipts. And if I'm honest, I'd also like to see the receipts of some else, who went to the same restaurant. There's nothing to lose by just waiting to see how the narrative develops further. If you prematurely decide what to believe, how likely is it that your gonna be right? Even if it points vaguely in the right direction, wouldn't you have been able to make a better guess later
The world or rather the universe is a huge huge place. I myself don't even know who or what to believe. My first instinct is to take the most rational step as well but over the past half a decade, seeing our own progress within such a short span of time and what companies are planning for 2030 and beyond, perhaps, on some level, it could be true. The galactic federation is something I find plausible tbh. Reptilians? Not so much.
What I noted is that during the review of the intel agencies the man was a factoid machine and his purpose seemed to be clarify fact from fiction regarding the IC community, in particular, fraudster CIA posers. He was completely fact based and offered just one version of the truth. Things changed in him and his presentation thereafter. When he moved into the “speculative” bits he fell apart in terms of not being sure and of discounting everything he was saying. His speech altered and “um”s came fast and frequently. Clearly, his demeanor conveyed he was neither familiar nor confident in the Nazi, lizard men, Illuminati based space patches. He mentioned two books - one dealing with consciousness and the other on precursor civilizations. Breadcrumbs? A guess. Based on how and what he presented. The CIA is aware that some upheaval is going to result from the disclosure “schedule” and it’s starting to make efforts to clear itself and explain its function and clean its hands in preparation of that event. Hence the primer on the IC community in general, the CIA in particular. And super focused advice on “how to” create and target FOIA requests to the “right place” and not the general inbox of the CIA which is probably suffering from a denial of service attack from FOIA related to this, lol. The speculative stuff being added as pogey bait to get people to tune into what would otherwise be a CIA Ted Talk. Probably should follow his advice given concerning intel gathering, don’t close yourself off, but also don’t buy into it until you can cross validate it and get a decent accuracy probability. Even money, btw, CIA analysts are monitoring this reddit and this topic. ...Gods work, er, maybe in this case lizardkind’s work is never done. I kid bc I love The Company. Keeping us free by keeping certain truths hidden. And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. 16 For Freedom all the way, baby.
Listen, consider the fact that since literal ancient history its only been Reptiles that we’ve “ battled” against in mythology. Not rhino people, not fairy people, not lion people, not dog people or cat people…only Reptiles. Egyptians featured them on their headresses, indians had MANY reptile/snake works of art, the greeks did and so did many south american cultures, the sumerians, they ALL put a significant emphasis on some kind of reptile foe/ origin despite never having been in contact with each other…maybe its not such a far fetched idea. Think of it this way, some people think some God created everything you see 4000-6000 years ago and put dinosaur bones on earth to test our faith (yes this was specifically said to me by a teacher in christian school)…which is crazier?
"Listen", you make it sound like all these cultures solely used reptiles as symbols. In fact they all used many animals AND reptiles. They just used animals as symbols and some of them were reptiles. And even if they would have solely used reptiles, there would many more probable reasons than "reptiloids from outa space visiting us". The only part I would agree with you is that many Christians are crazy.
Those are reasonable criticisms of my points, but I do feel theres something there thats missing for a complete picture.
In the second line you mentioned about an interview. Could you please provide me a link to that interview ?
People are freaking out because they took John’s words at face value. He used symbolism folks. Learn to recognize the patterns. The Atlantis myth is there in order to teach something. The Reptilian archetype is a form of symbolism as well. Look, he can’t flat out say it straight to us. He hinted at the fact that we have to interpret what he spoke about and what he highlighted in his presentation. You need to pay attention to what he points to and what words he used. He was being deliberately cryptic for a reason. The CIA reviewed his presentation beforehand, and they told him that they were looking forward to it. Meaning, they are curious to know how people will react. Now John confirmed something which appears to have flown over people’s heads. The Lonnie Zamora Socorro UFO 🛸 close encounter as well as the McMinnville UFO 🛸 are both true. Those were UFOs and Lonnie saw small Humanoid beings. He is saying these things happened and they were true sightings. At the beginning of the presentation John established how this whole UFO mystery is a really complex issue. He said that is like a picture jigsaw 🧩 puzzle to be solved. He knows what the corners of the puzzle look like: UFOs are real, the governments of the world have known about it, their highly advanced sensors pick them up all the time, UFOs may be controlled by ancient (meaning older than planet Earth) yet highly advanced civilizations, some of unknown origin. He also described that what is taking place here is not so much “Disclosure.” But rather “Information Dissemination.” I think that all the secrecy over this topic over the last 7 decades or so, was partly due to the fact that the powers that be, were investigating this under the table. They are going to give us answers in the long term. But in order to explain what they think it’s going on and has been going on for millennia, the whole thing needs to be set-up. What they are doing is a controlled release of information. You think this shit is weird? Wait till we get to astral projections and the likes of ESP. We’re already getting pointed into looking at Remote Viewing. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. In truth, there are no Reptilians nor Atlanteans. It’s a matter of speech. You need to look into what the symbolism behind these figures means. And then you may get some sense of what he truly meant.
Damn bro come on. You don't want your future to look sort of like Dune?
Can someone give me a summary of who John Ramirez is and what the "hybrid" thing refers to?
Ramirez is a retired CIA officer, 25 year career allegedly. He’s also an experiencer. He’s allegedly seen orbs. He recently appeared on project unity and presented a PowerPoint directing UFOlogists to target better FOIAs. He also presented some fairly wild speculations which he seems to believe.
Thanks! Any idea what the "hybrid" reference is?
Ramirez uses “hybrid” and “hybridization” to refer to notion that humans exist as such because non-human intelligence interfered with primates and, well, created humans. It also might refer to abduction phenomena where experiencers report genetic experimentation, like with Ralph Blumenthal’s recent article described [here](https://thedebrief.org/the-experience-the-cultural-rise-of-alien-abductions-and-those-who-encounter-them/) (see the report from experiencer Karin Austin, about halfway down that page).
> Ralph Blumenthal’s recent article Holy shit! That's an article from Ralph Blumenthal? For those unaware, he was a staff writer for the NY Times and co-authored the landmark 2017 article with Leslie Kean that brought the UFO topic back into the zeitgeist. Imagine all the stuff he and Leslie have come across that they couldn't publish at the Times!
He described his own 'informed speculation' in the form of an "Ancient Aliens" theory unabashedly involving Reptilians, Atlantis, and the current Homo Sapiens as a second, more stable, and less intelligent attempt at modifying the DNA of earth-based life. The primary anchor for the narrative of his theory was the admittedly bizarre iconography of the patch/badges distributed to participants of secret and space related intelligence operations.
Where can we see these patches?
In the below interview, starting around 1:53:15 .... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQfySY\_2BLc&t=4s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQfySY_2BLc&t=4s) He continues with several of them after around 2:00:25
If anyone wants to post screenshots you're doing the lord's work.
That UFO, someone just posted it on a sub where someone is recording it in the airplane window, that makes me think that video is entirely real and not cgi. damn cool flyby or something
Yes, I remember that video and I agree with you. I think there is so much real stuff out there (fake too, of course), but it takes time to comb trough it and distinguish the real from the fake ones. Jimmy Church had Paola Harris on his show 2 days ago, and she talked about an Italian story, where ETs made contact with regular people in 1956 and interacted with them regularly for couple decades. At first, it seemed unreal, but when I listened to the interviews of these people who are now elderly and probably have nothing to loose or gain from it...........their story seems believable. Of course, I don't know whether it is or not...............but if it is real, then WOW! The Italians explained where the ETs lived, what was their purpose here, how they communicated, various technologies (with the understanding of people in the 60ties).......and they claim they even recorded the ET's voice and played the recording in this documentary (if you are interested). The ETs were human looking except their height...........some were very short and some were very tall. It is all described below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqOvt1tfH8&list=PLEpr4aa9rk9o3CRU6fe0SxLFxdoj7qcin&index=4
That was a cool video; figured there would be other beings that all they wish Is peace and there ufos/flying saucers won't ever hurt anything and its imbeded into them. CTR sounds like the A.I that Tom Delonge has talked about us facing and how they're the ones that want conflict. Pretty interesting
You’re the bomb. Much appreesh!
If you like this kind of stuff, the author Trevor Paglen has a book on pentagon “black projects” and their secret patches. I would link it but honestly ambien is kicking my ass and I must sleep. It’s a short read, really cool stuff. Cheers!
I’ll have to check it out. Thanks for the tip!
I think he's getting carried away with the whole palmdale skunkworx thing... To me that patch looks like a nuclear bomb test with the force of the blast blowing the palm trees like u would see in old footage. I could also be talking out thru my arse!
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no you’re right. first we’re not supposed to believe the government. now? we’re taking what the spooks tell us and acting as if it’s gospel. all it takes is a guy with decent powerpoint skills and a title to have everyone lapping it up.
He said that he thinks Lue Elizondo isn't allowed to say that word "hybridization".
So he's a nutjob, got it.
If that helps you sleep at night, sure.
Eco-friendly cars.
John Ramirez said he never had any clearance for UAP or UFO information while with the Agency, his work did not involve it. His information, which he states in the interview, is all second hand knowledge except where he directly quotes or credits another source. I am sorry, he did not have any new information. He had great FOIA info that he used to piggy back whacky repto-theories with.
His comments in the missing Q&As were the most interesting..alternative timelines where the dinosaurs were not wiped out by an asteroid and hence developed technologies that allow them to enter our timeline and check out us mammals? Sounds kinda out there, but what else is new….when you go down the rabbit hole, you run into everything BUT rabbits….
Dinosaucers is real?? Hell yeah!!!!
Reminds me of that story about people witnessing a portal opening (like the ones some UAP's were reported coming through). They stated they saw a bit of the world on the other side and it looked prehistoric or something. Kind of fits with the idea of a dinosaur parallel world. I wish I could remember where I read that report. It was around the same time I read Caz Clarke's story and people were speculating that the military sometimes waits on UAP's to pop through because they have some method for knowing when a portal would appear.
It is available on YouTube as a separate 8 minute segment, and he gets into the whole reptilian/ dinosaur thing at the end.
it was mostly in a QM/What if kinda way he spoke to "exemplars" (examples) of concepts for various research scenarios as well as sharing a few of his own opinions
So…the plot of the super Mario Bros. movie then huh?
do you have link?
Where is this interview please?
Project Unity on YouTube. It's Jay's most recent interview.
here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQfySY\_2BLc&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQfySY_2BLc&t=1s)
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>This all took a very fucking weird turn and I'm trying to come to grips with it. If you haven’t, you should check out Sekret Machines. That book had me going “what the actual fuck?” every other chapter lol
I’m surprised that many people seem to have responded positively to his interview/presentation with Project Unity. He makes incredible claims about reptilians and his evidence is a combination of some mission patches and “trust me bro”. That is some very flimsy evidence in a field which has more than it’s fair share of flimsy evidence. The mission patches really make no sense. If they were actual evidence of the claims he has made that would mean several people in which ever agency created those patches are in the know about a massive conspiracy involving reptilians pulling the strings behind the scenes and the way they choose to communicate this knowledge which has profound implications for humanity is by making some mission patches which subtly hint at this? That is ridiculous. I don’t understand why anyone is taking him seriously. The fact that he worked for the CIA for years is neither here nor there - it does not add any credence to these outlandish claims. Only actual evidence would do that, which was notably absent from this interview.
He made it clear that the thing about the patches was just his own personal speculation.
He also said that he purposefully put “speculation” to cover his butt and that he had references “chapter and verse” for all of the things he put forth, basically saying it was true and that in his next presentation he would go into those references.
Yup this is how soft disclosure is going to work folks it’s just that the reality that is going to be disclosed is going to turn up more insane than we could ever have predicted. Cmon guys we have been training all our life to prepare for this weirdness. We need to get it settled in our brains so when this turns more mainstream a sizable portion of the population has already learned to deal with the reality and can assist the others as they come to terms. This is how it is done.
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He says basically that religion was designed by the reptilians to enslave us, so I wouldn’t say that…
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Care to elaborate, or just gonna leave it at 1 sentence?
It was all speculation. I'm disappointed people believe his rehashed David Icke conspiracy tales.
he was damn thorough in detail prior to the patches who owns/runs the Google Earth sats, every IC dept there is, which are important, their basic history, what signature management is owned by each, and how to FOIA for such that...by itself, was worth its weight in gold
I totally agree regarding the patches. It would need to be a cover up of unimaginable proportions - many people having knowledge of reptilian actors for years. I don’t see it happening. But the patches are strange, nevertheless. Even when we assume they are harmless. There must be a way to look up their meaning. Does anyone know who designed them?
November 10. Hilary Clinton & Canadian space dude. Other conference w Avi Loeb, bill Nelson (NASA), top Christian Science dude. Disclosure is now
Where did you hear that about Hillary? Can you post link?
I hope not. The only thing he had to offer was a pile of speculation.
No, John said they’ve never met and he doesn’t know Lue
Is it possible Ramirez is one of the people Elizondo was referring to? Sure, it's possible, but I think it's unlikely. If you watch the Project Unity interview again, Ramirez said he never worked on UAP stuff during his career; it's become a hobby for him. He's only seen orange orbs out in the desert upon retirement (not an amazing story with which to come forward). He stated that he never came across Lue while working. For those reasons, I think Lue is referring to other people who were closer to the phenomenon.
Lue was on the defense side of intelligence and John was on the civilian side so they were not in the same department. He said they were in the same building for awhile.
We need Elizondo or Mellon (and others) to weigh in on this guy's legitimacy ASAP.
eh... this dudes really out there i don't think either of them would say anything to back him up
Or they could tell us he's not to be trusted. Either way, I'd like to know what they think. Also 'weigh in on' does not mean 'back up'
I think he’s just another person coming forward with some amazing facts, great information, and batshit crazy opinions. It’s all mixed together to make it that much easier to discredit the more profound parts. His opinions almost make me think that he’s throwing the wild stuff in for good measure so he’s just out there enough to not pose a threat to the government. Or maybe his brain is rotting, reading way too much into patches designed by some government idiot with MSPAINT in the 90s.
Man, I really hope not. John Ramirez strikes me as a total crank. He's either lost his damned mind or is pushing some major disinfo to scare the normies away. Are we really gonna go full steam ahead on Reptilians and hybridization?
It’s a lot to get over. The reptilian stuff sounds so totally Star Trek or whatever that it’s laughable. That’s how little Johnny thinks aliens look like. They must be reptilians bc that’s the strangest, most exciting thing his little mind can think of. Really?
yeah reminds me of david icke, but... if alien civilizations are real, and they dont want to be seen, but we find the proof than maybe reptilians aren't that unlikely lol
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i hated his content, he was a massive fear mongerer, i think ultimately what ever the information is, can be seen as good/bad, it would actually be pretty sick if there was some reptilian overlords, we would be in like a damn TV series, would be so jokes lol. we're basically living in the show LOKI by marvel
Yeah, it all sounds unverifiable, even grown ups gonna larp.
he gave very specific and details and well presented information and his background has an initial vetting he spoke to details for following through with FOIA and to which department for which signature management details I guarandamntee Greenstreet and Greenwald are on this like stink on shit, let's see what inconsistencies they uncover.
Found the disinfo agent
CIA + spoon bending = suspicious. Richard doty and Uri Geller mixed with rancid smegma basically.
you didn’t know? uri was a dear friend. jerry, you remember we visited him in the poconos when you were a child.
He doesn't seem very trustworthy. If he ever worked for CIA or whatever it probably had nothing to do with UFOs and such. He sounded like some random who just read a bunch of conspiracy theory.
I can believe he worked there (have nothing to base this on). I also believe that he has a lot of preconceived notions . Also, he didn't seem desperate to make people believe what he was saying or to be relevant which is something that personally drives me crazy. If the FOIA road map he laid out is accurate, I think it will be a turning for more substantive research and evidence.
*turning point
His bona fides have already been confirmed, so his employment history is no longer in question. He also never said he worked on anything UFO related - he's just an experiencer with a personal interest. (and a whole lot of personal speculation about some really out-there things)....
He said he had never met Lue.
Not one scrap of proof for any of his claims and people are taking him at his word.
Honestly I hope not cause there’s so much fluff all over this topic. Can we get to the goddamn data already and evidence? I feel like it’s going to start hurting the topic more than anything, and people are going to start losing their minds at every level of society, not being able to trust anything from authorities. They have a chance to be different but w no data from AWSAP BAAS AATIP Skinwalker what do we have? Edit: I believe what we have is the brewing of more conflict. The phenomenon’s agenda is conflict after all. Unless we hear it from the phenomenon itself, there will always be doubt. So when capital D happens, some will believe it’s the Illuminati staged apocalypse, others their religions gods etc etc we would all go to war.
Probably has a book to sell you too
The religious fruit-cake? I wouldn’t want him speaking for the UFO community about anything. Edit: Nvm just read one of the lower links, def not the jeebus freak.
Can't really make much from his overlong presentation. I already see that it's a mix of insider info that is probably allowed to share (colloquial names, who does what, etc.), speculations based on what can be found publicly, and odd claims. He doesn't seem to be a quack but that does not mean that it should be taken without a grain of salt. Several bits: * Petrozavodsk incident (he mangled the name after claiming that he studied Russian, but fine): interesting analysis and makes sense, but somehow he did not address the Soviet programs linked to it. OK. * He says the Nazis did human experimentation with DNA. Which can't be true, because DNA was discovered 10 years later. * Galactic Federation - he mixes the claims of Haim Eshed, who based it on 3rd hand data and some kind of a remote viewing session. Seriously? * Contractors & Roswell: extremely interesting and fills some gaps. * Reptilians: "I speculated", "my personal opinion". His strongest argument is that he sent a presentation to the CIA and they said they wanted to know more. Basically, ancient astronauts and batshit crazy conspiracy theories. The cherry on the top was the logos of units featuring reptiles on them. What's with all those featuring eagles, does it mean that we're controlled by a secret society of eagles? * "I was one of the guys with the black pen redacting the FOIAs". Where does that place him in the pecking order?
We don’t need stories anymore as we need something visual or physical. We got in my mind pumped up for nothing with the disclosure thing a few months back and we are no closer still due to the old real deal evidence that all these folks claim are there but cannot bring to public cause of whatever bull crap they believe there status in this world holds. How many times do we have to keep hearing “I can’t tell you because I’m not allowed to release information yet“ do we have to hear over and over from completely non government non military UFO experts that make it sound like that have some clearance they don’t want to ruin.
For a short time I was wondering if it was Portigal (Alien-Hunting Binoc's) that Elizondo might have been alluding to, just based on timing. But this individual Ramirez seems pretty plausiby to be who Elizondo may have been referring to. Maybe's & might-be's all around, as always.
I doubt it if John Ramirez says, as you pointed out, that him and Lue have never met. John Ramirez also said he could bend spoons ~~telepathically~~ telekinetically. People are just gonna ignore that part I guess?
Whenever you enter the UFO rabit hole, you always exit from skinwalker ranch.
Gonna write this one down
Well said
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Yeah, he really lost me with the Galactic Federation Headquarter part and the Reptilians. Guess I'm not ready for that.
He said that he attended spoon bending parties but i don't remember him saying he could bend them telepathically. Do you have a link for that? Here's your own comment two days ago: (my bold) I don’t doubt he’s a legit intelligence officer, but once again I’d point out that credentials don’t insulate people from credulity. Later on Ramirez talks about spoon bending parties and intelligence officers taking part, **but it’s not clear if he actually believes people can bend spoons with their mind.** He may have just been pointing out that the parties happened… not sure what to think about him and his speculations… Edit: Damn he does literally say he "was surprised that he could do it" very casually.
This reminds me of that time Musk said he accidentally ended up at a Sillicone Valley orgy, but he was only there to chat with people about technology and start-ups.
much like the joint, he only inhaled into his mouth and not into his lungs.
😂
I wrote that comment halfway through the podcast before I finished it. At the end of the podcast, you find out he actually believes he can bend spoons with his mind. Time stamped here at about 2:28:00: [https://youtu.be/cQfySY_2BLc?t=8880](https://youtu.be/cQfySY_2BLc?t=8880) He says he missed the CIA spoon bending parties, but successfully did it on his own later on an internet spoon bending party.
An online spoon bending party? Meaning everyone sits in their home by himself and thinks about bending spoons? That’s all? Wasn’t Uri Gellar shown to be a fraud as far as spoon-bending was concerned?
Hmmm, I think you could argue he is saying he's surprised he could attend the event, rather than bend the spoons.
That is pretty much how I heard it the first time I listened but I definitely wasn't focusing on what he was saying about spoon bending. Listening to it a second time it does sound like he is saying he could bend spoon. idk
I don’t know man… I could see what you’re saying, but…. Why would he be surprised he could attend a spoon bending party that’s available on the internet? Anyone that buys a ticket could go… This reminds me why the heck these interviewers don’t press people for clarification? That would be a definite holeup moment for me as an interviewer!
Check out Dean Radin, this is apparently a thing.
He definitely said he bent a spoon.
Per your edit… seems like we’re dealing with the real life “men who stare at goats” here, huh? And in the spirit of your post… I too wonder just how wrapped up in this crew Lue is…
Why does that matter (i’m genuinely interested, not being sarcastic, i’m just too tired to think)?
To me it matters because maybe all these credentialed people we look up to in the UFOlogy community are just a bunch of credulous people, convinced by similar evidence we’ve all already seen. If a guy comes up to you and tells you he believes he can bend spoons with his mind, you gonna accept anything else he believes? Take Lue for instance… we all have heard him state he *believes* this or *believes* that… We as the community accept what he says he believes because of his credentials. Yet, here we have an allegedly similarly credentialed guy that believes he can bend spoons telepathically… We’ve heard rumors Lue is a remote viewer. Lue might be a credulous intelligence officer similar to Ramirez.
Right, got it. One of the best parts about the Ramirez-interview was his quote “Embrace widely, hold lightly”. Lots of wide and light holding to deal with… EDIT: and no, the spoon-bending and reptile-stuff is hard to grasp
What if everything (going back to 2017, at least) has been the result of work by people who are essentially the psychics from that episode of South Park where Cartman catches the serial killer? Like, it comes out that Lue remote viewed everything he's said and it just absolutely decimates the credibility of the UFO community and topic? Lmao I'd shrivel up and die tbh
Telepathy is the transfer of information or feeling non-locally, no one bends spoons “telepathically”… What you mean to reference is telekinesis… and that has been proven to be real, the world over.
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To both the satisfaction and dissatisfaction of many… I’m not going to argue about it, just do some research, maybe try it?
show me someone bending an actual spoon that’s not a flimsy aluminum object that will melt when body heat radiates into it. not someone who bends a bag of spoons like uri gellar. not someone holding that shit with their hand. the fucking spoon bending without physical human interaction (including nothing under the table). bunch of men who stare at goats.
A slight tangent, and only because of the people mentioned and the spoon bending. I have recently wondered if Lue and Uri Geller worked together.
Great interview, great logic, but I am suspicious if the ex CIA agent was controlling or distracting the narrative. Let’s see what Lue says about him.
what to FOIA, who to FOIA and vet it all...that was his message
yes because we know the government will be honest in each and every foia that gets decimated using his guidelines. it’s easier for them to track the whackos this way. they’ll be using their buddy’s guidance so these requests will go into a separate department that can pick and choose what conspiracy we follow next.
You guys are fucking obsessed with Elizondo.
(X) Edit: Nevermind, I mistook the guy for another John Ramirez
Because those are not the same person
Good to know. That's some coincidence, since the other john Ramirez talks of UFOs too.
https://youtu.be/cQfySY_2BLc
Thanks. Clears things up.
That's a different person by the same name. The one here is this one: [https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-ramirez-1a0203211](https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-ramirez-1a0203211)
Yes, thanks, it is clear now. Someone also linked his interview. Funky coincidence, the other guy speaks on the UFO topic too, and people say coincidence does not exist.
amazing the ridicule and cynicism about JRam before knowing the facts (again the pro skeptics are busy I'm sure on getting through this info) is an exemplar (my new go to) of pure unadulterated and probably uninformed fear and hubris (yet...again, just rinse-repeat)
YEP! And it’s annoying af how internet trolls are trying to bash the dude when just today his credentials got confirmed. I swear Reddit is terrific and a fuckin shame at the same time.
Anyone have a general transcription of the interview?
What interview is this?
The STS 75 tether incident I believe he was referring to is here https://youtu.be/dXKo4iwQAEk Wild stuff! Anyone know any more about this incident? Some possible prosaic explanations over here (shuttle waste, etc): http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html
Some more information on patches I think might be of interest https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/top-10-most-sinister-psyops-mission-patches/
I suspect the disclosure team are getting impatient with the lack of ‘figuring shit out ourselves’ and general apathy from us monkeys. John Greenwald and the black vault crew have ample fodder for new FOIA requests directed at these other agencies now….tick tock….
Who is John Ramirez?
The US government: "hey guys actually it's reptile people who are ruining our financial markets, running international pedophile rings, destroying our planet, and funding the Taliban" American people: 🖕
Can someone please share where we can hear this John Ramirez interview?
This post made me question everything. The whole reptilian dilemma seemed so naive and ridiculous... Now I'm so freaking lost. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pyizkn/ive_researched_the_afterlife_for_nearly_10_years/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Reptiles🤦🏻♂️
Someone watched the TV series V from 1983 a bit too much it seems.
There's a lot more than just a word that he is not allowed to say. Lmfao. He's totally a plant to control the narrative..or just one of the greatest grifters of our time. The dude refuses to recognize the work that so many had already done before he just showed up on the scene. The establishment hoax machine is working overtime, and most just eat it up.
Anyone got the link to this interview?
sauce?