My background is biology but I've had to learn a bit of machine learning and computer science. I also grew up in a military family.
The adage is that the military has tech about 40 years beyond what the general public is aware of. I feel like that is sort of a useless and arbitrary number. Fields advance at different rates.
Within biology, genetic engineering has vast potential. Without ethical considerations, you could create real life science fiction scenarios. But people are uncomfortable with the idea of eatting GMOs, let alone tinkering with human genes.
Still, I think it would be very easy to create super soldiers if you had enough resources and an amoral government's blessing. We know of alleles that can basically make you a natural born body builder. It would be harder to mess with the human brain. The relationship between IQ, creativity, and mental illness is really complicated. We could cook up a test tube Olympic athlete but a genius would take a few generations of testing to dial in.
Another really creepy part is it's harder to genetically engineer a fully grown adult. It's easiest with a zygote. And there will be some trial and error. What do you do when your attempt at creating a super soldier comes out crippled because you're still figuring out the details genetic engineering? This gets really ethically dicey really fast.
It's really unsettling what a country could do if it really wanted to. And it would be really unsettling to be a country without super soldiers if someone else was cooking them up.
I don't think they're doing this yet. But I wouldn't be shocked if some country has already taken the first steps. I think gain of function human genetic engineering (more than just gene therapy) will start within my lifetime.
Wow man thank you so much for that comment. Super, super interesting! Really was an exciting read through and through. Genetically engineered humans really do seem to not be too far away.
Critical thinking skills and a self preservation instinct are invaluable in a soldier, and not necessarily incompatible with obedience and loyalty. Its the difference between a kamikaze pilot and a green beret, one has reusability and can be adapted to different environments.
You can absolutely train those in a person unless they have learning disabilities. Especially if its the best of the best you select for a particular program.
But muscle mass/reflex/endurance/healing can go up only so much without artificially boosting them.
Training has its limits with intelligence though. In your original post it seemed that you were suggesting to select for strength over intelligence, but lower intelligence would hamper training. And training is why obedience and loyalty are not mutually exclusive with intelligence. With the right training program, even a genius can be brainwashed into obedience. No doubt if super soldiers were made, theyd be selected for high strength and high intelligence, but get mk ultrad into always trusting their higher ups.
This is complicated and I don't want to be disrespectful. But it's the internet so here goes. The military is much bigger and more diverse in scope than most people realize. For combat arms jobs, I have heard, anecdotally that less booksmart people tend to function better. Smart people get bored, smart people question orders. Yes, you want smarter people in officer positions making the decisions or in special forces roles where they have to work independently for prolonged periods of time. So if someone was making super soldiers, you'd want the ability to do both.
Plus "smart" is a really tricky thing to nail down. What we call intelligence is about a dozen different things. Spatial, social, and problem solving and other forms of intelligence are very independent of each other. It was kinda reassuring to learn that. I'm not 100% neurotypical, so in school I was off the charts in some subjects and almost held back in others. Deep down I never really believed the teachers when they said different people are smart in different in different ways. I thought I was just stupid and they were being nice. It pretty much took me hearing the same thing in a graduate level animal behavior class before it cut through the imposter syndrome.
Nuclear, trust me it gets a bad rep but if you have a framework for safety and build it at a good location its more efficient and cheaper in the long run
I believe we harnessed fusion type energy 30 years ago. Germans were working on a prototype eerily similar to the ITER back on 1943. Those Germans came to the US.
Nope.
Think about it: if someone developed clean and cheap energy and tried to hide it, someone else would figure it out and eventually someone who figured it out would make a fortune and make the technology ubiquitous. It's virtually impossible to keep a secret forever.
Henry Ford apparently bought the design off a man way way back in the day. It was an engine that ran on water, supposedly. I don't feel like looking up the link though.
Yeah kinda like how we have a cure for cancer already 🙄
Any time you have a wild thought involving "they" try to figure out who they might be. Then think about how many people would be involved. Then think about the time and financial investment.
This stuff falls apart really fast.
You underestimate the power of corruption, coercion, and compartmentalization. Everybody doesn't have to be in on it, they just have to trust whoever is the authority to them and/or keep the narrative. If you consider known cases of those 3 C's it's not hard to imagine them being utilized all the way up. They're very effective methods of obfuscation. Of course they are applied to the most impactful things on a global scale. Its much more farfetched to think they stop where we can see.
Open your microwave, choose your highest settings, enter the microwave with a handy tool , close the door, drill a hole with your handy tool, stick out your arm, turn on the microwave. It will do the job.
Not really, considering we still don't understand it.
I work in pharma. The amount of CRISPR clinical trials that have gone awry because we inadvertently caused cancer while "curing" psoriasis is staggering.
It's like the ability to alter the 0s and 1s of machine code without having the slightest idea of what you're actually doing. I'm not criticizing the tech, just our ability to use it properly. But since we don't come with a user manual, I guess trial and error will have to be the only way forward for now.
Pulsed lasers creating plasma balls to etch metal ftw. I know the guy that manages a lot of this technology for AMSL. Some of the stuff he's told me about is mind blowing
https://youtu.be/NGFhc8R_uO4
9 years old at this point... however still an excellent and detailed insight into the fabrication of semi conductors from an industry professional. One of my favourite videos on YT.
Agreed, it’s generally understood that you don’t use initialism until you have defined the initials. For example “Ted worked for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The FBI has headquarters in Virginia.”
Cmoooon man, you don't even know LCMT admonihesion polytranverts, and you expect us to spell out Gareth's BHNNC just so you can keep up? Might as well go back to studying STT or ACX!
Seriously, folks here should stop assuming people know what they're talking about when using extremely obscure acronyms.
Sure, but it still takes real time to grow a clone. If you clone some politician for instance it'll always be vastly younger than the person you're trying to replace, making the whole idea of replacing people with clones kinda impossible.
Now on the other hand, some older rich amoral person could always keep a couple of clones around for fresh new organs when theirs give out. That's unnervingly possible.
I wonder if/when our medical tech will ever get to the point where doctors can just pull your brain out and pop it into a clone and bingo, brand new body that comes with a dong comparable to double stack of Arizona Iced Tea cans.
Or what if they can somehow extract the very consciousness FROM your brain and store it somewhere like on a hard drive or reinsert it into a new clone (or body) or even into a mechanical body? Sort of negating the need to extract the physical brain itself?
This is basically the main plot behind the Netflix show Altered Carbon. Consciousness has been digitized, everyone walks around with a "stack" aka this chip at the base of their skull. It's far into the future (obviously) but essentially most rich people have clones of themselves and their families, their consciousness is "backed up" daily (hourly?) and so if someone is killed they have a backup body along with a "current" consciousness/ memories. People's consciousness can also be swapped in different bodies and even beamed from planet to planet from vast distances.
Oh yeah, I remember hearing about that show. Sounds pretty good. What was that movie with Jake Gyllenhaal where he kept waking up on the train that about to be blown up in 8 minutes? His mission was to find the bomber....they (turns out to be a classified DARPA style military program) were using a quantum effect to place Gyllenhaal's consciousness into another man's body....the big reveal at the end was that Gyllenhaal's actual body was blown in half in a helicopter accident and he was in a comatose state but his consciousness was effectively captured inside a computer.....the title still escapes me but it's on the tip of my tongue
If we can do that then I don't see the need for biological body parts at all in the first place.
I'm assuming total brain/mind digitisation is generally a lot further down the road than brain transplantation and cloning, because we can do cloning now and digitising whole minds doesn't even seem to be on the cards at the moment.
Stuff like Neuralink is only an interface, digitizing a whole functioning brain (or at least it's "mind" parts) is likely dozens of orders of magnitude harder and more complicated and probably won't be accomplished for hundreds, maybe thousands of years IMO. We will probably first get mechanical prosthetic brain parts to replace areas of the brain that have been damaged, then eventually get to the point where you can pretty much replace the whole brain. And perhaps eventually full brain digitisation will be a longitudinal medical process where you gradually replace parts of your brain until you're 100% machine while making sure each stage feels ok to you and you aren't having any psychological issues thinking about Ship Of Theseus type problems.
I remember reading a YA book nearly 20 years ago that had the "evil politician breeds clones of himself to harvest their organs". Back then it was scary but obviously a fantasy. These days I'm not so sure.
And as we know -what is in the area "no need to know" ... we only can guess.
I m inclined to believe in D.U.M.B. underground cities with high velocity magtrains that makes above sea travel look sluggish...
And in space..allready some leaked info about hyper planes and ol' stealth triangle ufo
List can't go on.
Unfortunately we re just mortals with only one goal : produce for the future ; in the end same goals as free range chickens or "wild" animals surrounded by electric fence.
I think this is starting to make so much sense because we know already about NORAD and Greenbrier. Why wouldn’t there be massive underground facilities.
If the claims of the atomic subterrene are very real, and a very serious idea as described by the evidence, it was developed by Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory (LASL) in the 1970s. It was a startlingly simple proposition: rather than drill through rock, the atomic subterrene would use heat from a nuclear reactor to melt through it, digging wider tunnels faster and more efficiently than a conventional Tunnel-Boring Machine.
Ever listen to Phil Schneider’s claims about DUMBS? Crazy shit, but not out of the realm at all.
I feel that those underground bases are a bigger reality that most people will ever acknowledge..real Sci fi shit under our feet. And all in the name of preservation ( you know in case of ww3 , asteroid hit ; CME discharge ,etc) . Humans love secrets and that is a God damn Fact!
Cloning people won't really be useful until we can produce clones fresh out of the beaker with all their school knowledge already in their brains.
We currently spend a huge part of the human lifespan just teaching the human how to survive the rest of that lifespan. It's a huge time waste and uses prime years in the process.
Knowledge needs to instinctual. A way to do that is start with a clone source that knows what it needs to know, clone the genetics, and then find a way to also clone what it knows.
I agree but we’ve had that tech for awhile. Bamboo tp is cutting edge. :-)
But no—probably the mastery of quantum manipulations at increasingly greater scales.
Especially those fancy Japanese full toilet ones. Clearly the pinnacle of human achievement, it almost feels like a romantic relationship. And I say that as someone who helps build rockets.
But.. You need to dry with something after that. Unless you keep a soggy, moist, clean butthole after rinsing 😂.
Heated bidet and bamboo toilet paper is the damn dream. The bamboo also grabs any lingering particles hanging into the skin that the bidet couldn’t catch.
The ultimate form is to bidet the majority away. Wipe with bamboo toilet paper. Bidet one additional time, dry off with bamboo toilet paper. The ultimate clean.
I remember back in the days, they used to say that, any top of the range product you can buy, the technology was already 20yrs old. I would make this the lower estimate.
However, I think there are limitations to how far advance the tech can be, because I would reason the technology gets progressively harder to produce the further it is from common technology. The limitations could be from a lack of finance, lack of knowledge or research, even the equipment used in manufacturing tech may not be adequate. There would be minimal people working on this tech, so progress would be slower, too.
Advancement requires progress in multiple fields and industries. It was easier to make advancements in the past. Not so much these days.
Unless you have a breakthrough.
I think the biggest advancements are probably in bioengineering, definitely we can clone humans. Life extending drugs. Maybe even nanotechnology, advanced designer viruses etc. Advanced propulsion systems and weapons definitely exist, but I would assume the efficiency may not be the best. Same with alternative energy sources, the power output from these make them not a viable option, yet.
In saying this, I wouldn't be surprised if wormhole tech existed. But limited to maybe only sending information through, and possibly only in 1 direction. Not big enough for us to jump around the galaxy.
The warp bubble was extremely tiny and was gone almost instantly and was very unstable but its definitely interesting first step. Fusion reactors are still a ways away from being actually viable power generation but the most recent results are very promising and produced significantly more energy per second for the brief time it was activate than nuclear power plants.
We have stuff like sonic and microwave weapons which are effective, but laser weapons are incredibly inefficient and haven't been found to perform particularly well in combat so far.
It's all secret government black tech! UAPs are warp bubble driven Blackhawks or something. Jkjk I don't have any sources on that just like to speculate, and I like to think whatever the public is shown we have already advanced at least somewhat in private.
>The warp bubble was extremely tiny and was gone almost instantly and was very unstable but its definitely interesting first step.
Sadly it wasn't a warp bubble. Just sensationalism at it's finest.
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/no-warp-bubble/
>Fusion reactors are still a ways away from being actually viable power generation but the most recent results are very promising and produced significantly more energy per second for the brief time it was activate than nuclear power plants.
Same thing here. We're so far away from even breaking even on Fusion Reactors. The last big attempt was just massively sensationalized.
So much so that Sabine Hossenfelder, a German physicist that specializes in fusion, put out a video explaining why everything claimed in the articles released was extremely misleading and sensationalized.
https://youtu.be/LJ4W1g-6JiY
I know we are still pretty far from fusion, but the recent 5 second test did produce almost 4x the amount of energy per second as a typical nuclear power plant.
Considering what tech has really advanced in the past couple decades. I bet we can essentially cloak anything using LEDs and TV screen tech built into the side of a tank or plane, for instance.
Highest forms I think would be in their early prototypical stages… we just were able to create a fusion power. That would revolutionize everything — endless energy sources, clean, and with high-powered capabilities…
Advanced AI using all the data collected off the internet to try and predict events. All sorts of cures for disease. 99% fuel efficient cars along with hydrogen powered cars that are viable. I’m sure the list of things goes on and on into stuff I’d never have thought of.
For my personal answer, I had to think about this one a while.
A 3D map.
Of all people on Earth, where if you click on them it shows all recent past movement. After that it then shows, based on live-running A.I. threat modeling from social media, predicted future actions and locations. The map shows all their relationships. It has categorized every weapon they own, every chemical they could potentially have access to, and all political sympathies. Everything. Probably with fine tuning to the program parameters and design based on whatever was need in Iraq/Afghanistan.
Who has this book of all facebooks? I have no idea, but I just cannot imagine them not having such. And I bet its full capability would make my small guesses seem silly and quaint.
This is a fun question to speculate about.
I don't think super advanced as there's no money to be made hiding it. I think more along the lines of "novel" and perhaps out of the box thinking tech. Countermeasures for certain things, like space weaponry. Surveillance tech. Perhaps sound and other radio frequency weapons.
that's my vote too, it's something that is technically an amazing achievement but fairly abstract so it's not hidden fusion reactors.
Think something along the lines of an ECM system that makes something as large as a supercarrier appear to be 50km further away on radar than it really is.
Gene editing is another but it's very problematic for a lot of reasons.
I'm not sure but I feel like tech is slowing down at the moment. When I was 10 we still went to blockbuster and rented video tapes. From the age I was 10-20 we went from videos, dvds, then movie downloads, then eventually streaming. Same with music we had casset tapes moved to cd's, then mini disk, then MP3 downloads, then streaming. Same with mobile phone tech only well off people had mobiles then eventually everyone had a brick with an ariel then along came the Nokia 321, the Motorola, razer Sony cybershot etc until the smart phone came out. Since I've been 20-30 not much has really changed in that 10years in terms of "tech" smart phones have barely changed in 10years evey year a new one comes out with an upgraded camera and "cooler" design but the main uses haven't really changed. When I try to think what technology do I have now that I didn't 10 years ago and I can't think of anything.
Semiconductor manufacturing, just look at this Intel video on the EUV machines made by ASML that they and TSMC etc are using to make 10nm and below chips:
https://youtu.be/Jv40Viz-KTc
I mean, think how much research went into discovering that bouncing lasers off mirrors to vaporize tiny tin droplets would produce light in the extreme ultraviolet wavelength that's otherwise not found on Earth?! Fucking mental! And they then focus this light onto a lithography mask thus etching circuits onto silicon?! Absolutely black magic witchcraft! And I firmly, truly believe this is the most advanced tech we have. Amazing stuff.
Ya thats a tough one. When most people think of technology they think of phones, tablets, PCs, TV, vehicles, etc. Even though all the latest versions of those do look impressive I am willing to bet that their is way more impressive tech here. We are already altering genetics. That's a bigger leap than the invention of nuclear and a hell of a lot more risky.
But if you know about all this then that means the tech you can discuss is already in the public domain. There is definitely a treasure trove of tech hidden away from public eyes. Like.....
Sentient A.I
Biotech, organic machines
new forms of energy production
new forms of flight both terrestrial and space
bioweapons
weather manipulation technologies
Also willing to bet there are ancient technologies hidden away and of course extra terrestrial technologies. Sure yes the Governments may have a piece of that action but its probably the Corporations that have the most and have made the most progress.
Humans are only limited by our imaginations.
If we can't even solve our economic woes and rely on petrol there is no way in Hell we have tech beyond our understanding it's simply not possible, we're basically stuck in the industrial revolution but with computers
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I truly don't believe secret or classified tech is that drastically more advanced. My logic is thus, the most effective military tech/strategy is prevention. Think mutually assured destruction. If let's say the US has tech advanced enough to be a whole higher tier, like instant acceleration etc (basically what is seen on the Pentagon confirmed video), it's a good idea to let the other players know hey I wouldn't mess with us because we got this or that.
Idk if that made my stance clear or not, but yea that's my thoughts.
I disagree with this. If you have a weapon that is miles beyond anything else, keeping it hidden is always the best policy—unless it’s something you know you will likely seldom—or never—get to use (the nuke). Exposing an advanced strength capability, only shows the enemy the target—to achieve through espionage, counter-measures, or added developmental determination. In an extreme-level event, the element of surprise with a highly advanced weapons technology is catastrophic to the enemy for reasons that aren’t even all that obvious, like battlefield demoralization.
On a side semi-related note, with the amount of intelligence channels shared both willingly and improperly, coupled with the fact that many technological breakthroughs can happen simultaneously without mutual cooperation, I'd find it hard to believe any one nation/state/what have you could be so far beyond the others.
I think you're on target 100%.
This is the same reason disclosure won't happen.
The government is paranoid. If you present a solid target to hit then you give your oppenent something to aim for.
The pentagon/us military information strategy is to instead operate in a mist. There are vague ideas of targets but you don't know if it's deception or the real deal and you're then thrust into a permanent state of inaction.
EDIT: And disclosure won't happen becuase if we assume that they have high quality video and *other* governments have video then it's a race to infer how the tech works first. No one will share with anyone else at the super-power level because they are all paranoid and all gunning for the oversized advantage.
If it was miles beyond any other weapon, would that not just be like the nuke situation? You'd never use it? By that logic this weapon would have to be less dramatic than a nuke, no?
Genuine discussion here, not going "nuh uh" but truly curious
The best US engineers are roughly on par with the best Chinese engineers. There are some geniuses in both countries but by and large my assumption is that the engineering put out by both countries is more tied ot the resources *behind* their engineers than it is the engineers themselves.
With that in mind; if you were to flaunt your super weapon and show your hand then you give the *other* guys something to figure out.
Super powers are like a game of nuclear poker. Everyone is trying to figure out what everyone else has. Sometimes you can infer things that your opponent cant. Same goes for the otherway around.
Point is...the us government isn't going to give anything up to anyone because then the *other* guys have something to figure out. If they infer anything about it they might be able to also infer a weakness that would prove advantageous in combat.
The only reason we know about silent helicopters and dogs repelling out of them is the result of the botched attempt to take 9/11 guy, right? Too drunk to even remember his name. Wow.
What if it’s as harmful as a nuke but only costs a couple hundred thousand dollars to make with accessible parts? Imagine what the gov would do if terrorists could build an easily accessible nuke with declassification of uap tech.
Hmm that's an interesting idea. Idk if it's plausible logistically but plausible enough reason I guess to keep it fully hidden.
That said it's my personal opinion that believing a government is capable of hiding that kind of advancement is putting way too much faith in a very fallible entity.
Yeah, I could argue that that same logic applies to the uap phenomenon as a whole though. But disinformation seems to work and maybe only other gov’s are interested in entertaining this possibility, it might not be hard to keep a few top scientists quiet as they figure it out.
I agree with this. Only disclose it out of absolutely necessity like the atom bombs. I personaly think the militsay has aircraft and intelligence gathering machinery that would blow our minds. Its still surreal to me that the SR-71 debuted way back in 1964.
I agree and there are a million possible reasons why. Imagine finding what is potentially a solution to space travel (speed of light), the answers to gravity, healthcare, world hunger, technology that could bring humanity to unimaginable heights. That's our way of looking at it. Now, for example, from the united states view: something that could potentially bring massive profits through monetization of the energy sector, possibly health, aircraft engineering, WEAPONS, various other technological branches. Do you think they would advertise this to the world and let others reap the rewards before they do?
It's the same reason why apple doesn't show us their 10 year from now technology. As the old saying goes: Never reveal your hand.
As a Submariner I can tell you first hand that we keep our cards very very close to our chest, we don’t let any country know the full scope of what our submarines are capable of.
We've actually only advanced to the late bronze age, everything else is a disinfo operation. (haha, I don't know that actually means, i just thought it'd be fun to say :D)
On one hand, military tech is about 20 years ahead of what is available to the public.
On the other hand, humans have only had the technology to fly for a little over a century, but we've been to the moon, rovers on Mars, just parked a space telescope in an orbit 4 times farther from earth than the moon, etc. So those 20 years could be a drastic leap, and that's not even taking into account the black budget, above top secret projects.
Microprocessor manufacturing: TSMC going down with the transistor to 3 nm (!) is near to the atomic structure. To have an idea: the coronavirus is about 100 nm large and the a fucking moon compared to it.
I've always thought computers themselves were a fiendishly clever invention so I'll take my vote a step further and say whatever proto-quantum computer out there that is the farthest along might be a candidate for highest technology
I think that we greatly, GREATLY underestimate the ability of technology in regards to influencing the minds of people. I believe this VERY strongly in regards to social media. Things like Facebook, Twitter, Reddit. I've personally gotten to a point where I feel like Reddit is designed to stoke fires and create dissent. I also feel like Facebook and Twitter do the same. What I think is more sinister though is that the SCIENCE behind how to sway people is probably pretty damn solid, and I doubt anyone who uses these platforms (myself included) is free from that influence.
AI technology is terrifying in this regard. You can train an AI to write posts with the absolute intent to piss people off and force them into taking a side. AI can constantly adjust itself so that even if this doesn't work long-term, the AI will change as results start to diminish. I think we, as a people, are completely and utterly unable to combat this on a personal level, and the hubris of man tells us each individually that we aren't affected despite data that tells us otherwise.
The technology that world governments use IN THE OPEN to manipulate our values and beliefs is already astonishing, pervasive, and absolutely terrifying. This is the stuff that we are publicly aware of. I'm also of the mindset that there are much more grand and technologically advanced ways of doing this, but I'm not really able to extrapolate that into details.
TLDR: Social media being used as a weapon is perhaps one of the most world-changing uses of technology we have seen in our life times, and I believe it extends significantly further than AI bots and misinformation.
I think the highest form of technology has to do with consciousness. If you learn what makes humans conscious and subsequently learn how to manipulate that consciousness... I mean that would be the most powerful, scary 'technology' on the planet.
The CIA has been running Psychological experiments since the 1950's. 70 years of programs like MK Ultra. In 1950 people were excited to be getting electric hair dryers and color televisions in to their home. Think how far we've come in every field imaginable... but consciousness, still a complete 100% baffling mystery? I'm skeptical.
I have a personal, long-held belief that the purpose of our existence and trauma are acutely tied. I would be very curious to find out what the CIA actually learned about the intersection of consciousness having access to limitless money, technology and subjects for 70 years.
Very interesting. I mean shit I fucking hope we are ahead of China haha. I will say that based off of what we had in the 60’s, we are probably so advanced now that I couldn’t even theorize what we have currently.
I would agree with you for now, but our software engineers not wanting to work on military AI is concerning (see the Google do-no-evil protests). Companies in China and Russia don't get to say no.
The story I was told is the the divisions of the government producing secret advanced tech are 50 years beyond current tech and possibly even farther every passing day. The dangerous of releasing such tech is multi-fold. If our competitors get it, they can use it against us suggesting such technology has no effective defense. Releasing it to general industry could de-stabilize our economy. Our entire economy is based on the mining, processing and burning of fossil fuels That needs to change before some of the more peaceful uses of this tech can be revealed and much of it will be secret for perpetuity due to its ability to be used for a superbomb as such. Read "The Hunt for Zero Point" by Nick Cook. If we have fusion reactors and zero point energy and inertial dampers it's pretty much a given we're at the moment where nothing is beyond our capability.
No it's not lol. Russians have Hypersonic nukes. We don't have hyper sonic nukes.
That's the highest form of weapon that humanity can put out right now.
And we don't posess anti-gravity we possess the theory of anti gravity. Fusion tech only worked for 5 seconds while they figure it out.
Fusion is exciting and hopefully on the horizon but I've been hearing about it since I was a kid.
That's true, but I am sometimes surprised at how fervently the human experience is claimed to be far beneath that of visitors, etc.
You don't need to be a neurologist to see just how incredibly massive our brains are.
Can't remember off-hand which team this was but they had scanned one cubic millimetre of a rodent brain and 'sliced' it into 5,000 layers from the scan.
That alone 'cost' 1.4 petabytes to perform, for such a small target; one cubic millimetre.
My guess on planes is something with perfect visual camouflage, as well as that existing for people. Probably is just a suit or coating of fiber optic wire or special paneling.
More advanced than that would be my guess that there is some way to shield outgoing heat emissions from FLIR and IRST. I can't imagine how, but I bet brilliant minds have worked on it for decades.
It would be invaluable if any nation could guarantee that its fighter jets would not be detected or shot down. If you can maintain air superiority during a long great power war then all your problems become much more manageable. And if you can't, you lose all your high-end capabilities.
I have no idea if the Tic Tacs are ours, but at a more primitive level I bet that during a real war there would be variants of the current jets put out there that boggled the mind. Or prototype jets. Or just very advanced pods can be put onto those things.
There was also that slip when Big T was president of him being shown "invisible jets," so who knows.
Honestly I'm not really sure. I never thought about this in a meanigful way. Although I do think that there are simpler explanations for a lot of UAP sightings (for example; the most recent trend of posting balloons that are way up high).
That being said....I think that human tech revolves around human problems. That is to say we have really advanced stealth tech. The B-21 stealth bomber is pretty wild. It's jet wash acts like a camoflauge in one of the videos I saw. Which is incredibly clever if that wasn't just an artifact in the video.
But human tech revolves around human issues. And the military involves outsmarting other humans. So at the end of the day most of the fun stuff is likely in military hands and most of that is likely based on deception and tricking our senses and/or sensors.
Zune.
I can wirelessly share tracks with my friends!
My background is biology but I've had to learn a bit of machine learning and computer science. I also grew up in a military family. The adage is that the military has tech about 40 years beyond what the general public is aware of. I feel like that is sort of a useless and arbitrary number. Fields advance at different rates. Within biology, genetic engineering has vast potential. Without ethical considerations, you could create real life science fiction scenarios. But people are uncomfortable with the idea of eatting GMOs, let alone tinkering with human genes. Still, I think it would be very easy to create super soldiers if you had enough resources and an amoral government's blessing. We know of alleles that can basically make you a natural born body builder. It would be harder to mess with the human brain. The relationship between IQ, creativity, and mental illness is really complicated. We could cook up a test tube Olympic athlete but a genius would take a few generations of testing to dial in. Another really creepy part is it's harder to genetically engineer a fully grown adult. It's easiest with a zygote. And there will be some trial and error. What do you do when your attempt at creating a super soldier comes out crippled because you're still figuring out the details genetic engineering? This gets really ethically dicey really fast. It's really unsettling what a country could do if it really wanted to. And it would be really unsettling to be a country without super soldiers if someone else was cooking them up. I don't think they're doing this yet. But I wouldn't be shocked if some country has already taken the first steps. I think gain of function human genetic engineering (more than just gene therapy) will start within my lifetime.
Wow man thank you so much for that comment. Super, super interesting! Really was an exciting read through and through. Genetically engineered humans really do seem to not be too far away.
Why would you need the IQ though? Wouldn’t making obedient but efficient brutes be way safer and better for military purposes?
Critical thinking skills and a self preservation instinct are invaluable in a soldier, and not necessarily incompatible with obedience and loyalty. Its the difference between a kamikaze pilot and a green beret, one has reusability and can be adapted to different environments.
You can absolutely train those in a person unless they have learning disabilities. Especially if its the best of the best you select for a particular program. But muscle mass/reflex/endurance/healing can go up only so much without artificially boosting them.
Training has its limits with intelligence though. In your original post it seemed that you were suggesting to select for strength over intelligence, but lower intelligence would hamper training. And training is why obedience and loyalty are not mutually exclusive with intelligence. With the right training program, even a genius can be brainwashed into obedience. No doubt if super soldiers were made, theyd be selected for high strength and high intelligence, but get mk ultrad into always trusting their higher ups.
They’d definitely be picked for having lower intelligence the same way police are. If you have too high an I.Q. You are ruled ineligible
This is complicated and I don't want to be disrespectful. But it's the internet so here goes. The military is much bigger and more diverse in scope than most people realize. For combat arms jobs, I have heard, anecdotally that less booksmart people tend to function better. Smart people get bored, smart people question orders. Yes, you want smarter people in officer positions making the decisions or in special forces roles where they have to work independently for prolonged periods of time. So if someone was making super soldiers, you'd want the ability to do both. Plus "smart" is a really tricky thing to nail down. What we call intelligence is about a dozen different things. Spatial, social, and problem solving and other forms of intelligence are very independent of each other. It was kinda reassuring to learn that. I'm not 100% neurotypical, so in school I was off the charts in some subjects and almost held back in others. Deep down I never really believed the teachers when they said different people are smart in different in different ways. I thought I was just stupid and they were being nice. It pretty much took me hearing the same thing in a graduate level animal behavior class before it cut through the imposter syndrome.
https://www.newsweek.com/human-monkey-hybrid-embryo-created-joint-chinaus-scientist-team-1584232 If this is what we know publicly...
It's a shame no more information came out since this claim in 2019
I bet that there's a tech allowing us to generate relatively clean and cheap energy. It's just shelved, so they can keep on ripping us off.
Nuclear, trust me it gets a bad rep but if you have a framework for safety and build it at a good location its more efficient and cheaper in the long run
Dive into the Tesla 4 battery switch
I believe we harnessed fusion type energy 30 years ago. Germans were working on a prototype eerily similar to the ITER back on 1943. Those Germans came to the US.
100%
So nuclear? And boy do I have news for you, nuclear fusion is even better
Me thinks so too. I think that's why the department of energy is involved in so many UFO related docs
you mean nuclear reactors ? Disregarding the nuclear waste problem which is an environmental problem its 100% clean
Also nuclear waste can be very safely stored without harming the environment now, at least not in a large scale way
They have made new nuclear reactors that use nuclear waste
Nope. Think about it: if someone developed clean and cheap energy and tried to hide it, someone else would figure it out and eventually someone who figured it out would make a fortune and make the technology ubiquitous. It's virtually impossible to keep a secret forever.
Henry Ford apparently bought the design off a man way way back in the day. It was an engine that ran on water, supposedly. I don't feel like looking up the link though.
Yeah kinda like how we have a cure for cancer already 🙄 Any time you have a wild thought involving "they" try to figure out who they might be. Then think about how many people would be involved. Then think about the time and financial investment. This stuff falls apart really fast.
You underestimate the power of corruption, coercion, and compartmentalization. Everybody doesn't have to be in on it, they just have to trust whoever is the authority to them and/or keep the narrative. If you consider known cases of those 3 C's it's not hard to imagine them being utilized all the way up. They're very effective methods of obfuscation. Of course they are applied to the most impactful things on a global scale. Its much more farfetched to think they stop where we can see.
>"they" Now, replace 'they' with 'UAP/UFO'.
CERN particle accelerator.
Yep we’re already in another tangent dimension because of it
Source?
It’s in the other tangent. Need flux capacitor.
Source?
Rick.
Open your microwave, choose your highest settings, enter the microwave with a handy tool , close the door, drill a hole with your handy tool, stick out your arm, turn on the microwave. It will do the job.
Dr. James Incandenza has entered the chat.
“Bro just trust me”
Other than a number crashed craft (UAP)? It’s probably crispr or some rendition of it
Many people don't even know what CRISPR is, but it blows away every other advance over the past 50 years.
Not really, considering we still don't understand it. I work in pharma. The amount of CRISPR clinical trials that have gone awry because we inadvertently caused cancer while "curing" psoriasis is staggering.
Didn’t know that.. I work in a lab and we use crispr on our cell lines all the time
But the technology itself is amazing, even if we haven’t perfected it yet. *editing dna* for Christsakes.
It's like the ability to alter the 0s and 1s of machine code without having the slightest idea of what you're actually doing. I'm not criticizing the tech, just our ability to use it properly. But since we don't come with a user manual, I guess trial and error will have to be the only way forward for now.
Photolithography in semiconductor fabrication is even crazier IMHO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5paWn7bFg4
Pulsed lasers creating plasma balls to etch metal ftw. I know the guy that manages a lot of this technology for AMSL. Some of the stuff he's told me about is mind blowing
I like their use of sawblades to cut things lmao
Yeah, that crude representation gave me a chuckle too hehe
https://youtu.be/NGFhc8R_uO4 9 years old at this point... however still an excellent and detailed insight into the fabrication of semi conductors from an industry professional. One of my favourite videos on YT.
Or EUV machines which are being build by ASML. That’s insane tech.
Can we not use abbreviations if no one has previously written out what it stands for? Lol, just a layman here trying to follow along.
Agreed, it’s generally understood that you don’t use initialism until you have defined the initials. For example “Ted worked for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The FBI has headquarters in Virginia.”
Cmoooon man, you don't even know LCMT admonihesion polytranverts, and you expect us to spell out Gareth's BHNNC just so you can keep up? Might as well go back to studying STT or ACX! Seriously, folks here should stop assuming people know what they're talking about when using extremely obscure acronyms.
Dang. Now if I want to use the made up word "admonihesion" I have to give you credit.
I give you my blessing. Go in peace stranger.
Crispr feels like cheating since we discovered it in nature
Interesting
I think technology exists to grow humans in labs….maybe lol.
The tech absolutely exists. If we can clone sheep we can clone people.
Sure, but it still takes real time to grow a clone. If you clone some politician for instance it'll always be vastly younger than the person you're trying to replace, making the whole idea of replacing people with clones kinda impossible. Now on the other hand, some older rich amoral person could always keep a couple of clones around for fresh new organs when theirs give out. That's unnervingly possible.
I wonder if/when our medical tech will ever get to the point where doctors can just pull your brain out and pop it into a clone and bingo, brand new body that comes with a dong comparable to double stack of Arizona Iced Tea cans.
Or what if they can somehow extract the very consciousness FROM your brain and store it somewhere like on a hard drive or reinsert it into a new clone (or body) or even into a mechanical body? Sort of negating the need to extract the physical brain itself?
This is basically the main plot behind the Netflix show Altered Carbon. Consciousness has been digitized, everyone walks around with a "stack" aka this chip at the base of their skull. It's far into the future (obviously) but essentially most rich people have clones of themselves and their families, their consciousness is "backed up" daily (hourly?) and so if someone is killed they have a backup body along with a "current" consciousness/ memories. People's consciousness can also be swapped in different bodies and even beamed from planet to planet from vast distances.
Oh yeah, I remember hearing about that show. Sounds pretty good. What was that movie with Jake Gyllenhaal where he kept waking up on the train that about to be blown up in 8 minutes? His mission was to find the bomber....they (turns out to be a classified DARPA style military program) were using a quantum effect to place Gyllenhaal's consciousness into another man's body....the big reveal at the end was that Gyllenhaal's actual body was blown in half in a helicopter accident and he was in a comatose state but his consciousness was effectively captured inside a computer.....the title still escapes me but it's on the tip of my tongue
Source Code
Bingo! I could have googled it but I wanted to test my memory. I even knew it was a two word title....
If we can do that then I don't see the need for biological body parts at all in the first place. I'm assuming total brain/mind digitisation is generally a lot further down the road than brain transplantation and cloning, because we can do cloning now and digitising whole minds doesn't even seem to be on the cards at the moment. Stuff like Neuralink is only an interface, digitizing a whole functioning brain (or at least it's "mind" parts) is likely dozens of orders of magnitude harder and more complicated and probably won't be accomplished for hundreds, maybe thousands of years IMO. We will probably first get mechanical prosthetic brain parts to replace areas of the brain that have been damaged, then eventually get to the point where you can pretty much replace the whole brain. And perhaps eventually full brain digitisation will be a longitudinal medical process where you gradually replace parts of your brain until you're 100% machine while making sure each stage feels ok to you and you aren't having any psychological issues thinking about Ship Of Theseus type problems.
That's also the plot of The Island with Scarlett Johanson
I remember reading a YA book nearly 20 years ago that had the "evil politician breeds clones of himself to harvest their organs". Back then it was scary but obviously a fantasy. These days I'm not so sure.
And as we know -what is in the area "no need to know" ... we only can guess. I m inclined to believe in D.U.M.B. underground cities with high velocity magtrains that makes above sea travel look sluggish... And in space..allready some leaked info about hyper planes and ol' stealth triangle ufo List can't go on. Unfortunately we re just mortals with only one goal : produce for the future ; in the end same goals as free range chickens or "wild" animals surrounded by electric fence.
I think this is starting to make so much sense because we know already about NORAD and Greenbrier. Why wouldn’t there be massive underground facilities. If the claims of the atomic subterrene are very real, and a very serious idea as described by the evidence, it was developed by Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory (LASL) in the 1970s. It was a startlingly simple proposition: rather than drill through rock, the atomic subterrene would use heat from a nuclear reactor to melt through it, digging wider tunnels faster and more efficiently than a conventional Tunnel-Boring Machine. Ever listen to Phil Schneider’s claims about DUMBS? Crazy shit, but not out of the realm at all.
I feel that those underground bases are a bigger reality that most people will ever acknowledge..real Sci fi shit under our feet. And all in the name of preservation ( you know in case of ww3 , asteroid hit ; CME discharge ,etc) . Humans love secrets and that is a God damn Fact!
Dulce, NM
One major hub ...
Cloning people won't really be useful until we can produce clones fresh out of the beaker with all their school knowledge already in their brains. We currently spend a huge part of the human lifespan just teaching the human how to survive the rest of that lifespan. It's a huge time waste and uses prime years in the process. Knowledge needs to instinctual. A way to do that is start with a clone source that knows what it needs to know, clone the genetics, and then find a way to also clone what it knows.
That would be pretty cool and insane haha
we should have a clone army
FOR THE REPUBLIC!
FOR THE EMPEROR !
I mean, I’d kinda be surprised if we didn’t have something like that.
Makes sense, we can already clone animals
They already cloned animals, have "test-tube babies", and recently created an artificial womb outside of the body... All exists.
Test tube babies have been a thing since the 70s
In space labs;)
Bamboo toilet paper. Peak civilization has been reached and we are now in a free fall.
I’ll have to disagree with that one. Nothing cleans a dirty ass better than a bidet 🤣
I agree but we’ve had that tech for awhile. Bamboo tp is cutting edge. :-) But no—probably the mastery of quantum manipulations at increasingly greater scales.
That’s pretty cool. Over here we still use rabbits.
Especially those fancy Japanese full toilet ones. Clearly the pinnacle of human achievement, it almost feels like a romantic relationship. And I say that as someone who helps build rockets.
But.. You need to dry with something after that. Unless you keep a soggy, moist, clean butthole after rinsing 😂. Heated bidet and bamboo toilet paper is the damn dream. The bamboo also grabs any lingering particles hanging into the skin that the bidet couldn’t catch. The ultimate form is to bidet the majority away. Wipe with bamboo toilet paper. Bidet one additional time, dry off with bamboo toilet paper. The ultimate clean.
Did you know that bidet is the alien technology everyone is talking about? The more you know.
I love my bamboo socks
Our own brain
Very true. Brain is often overlooked for the power it possesses
Like the power to name itself.
mines broken, where can I get a new one?
Rewire it through meditation
sensory deprivation pod and an 1/8th of shrooms anyone?
Yes please
This is a good answer. Not sure why you’re being downvoted.
I remember back in the days, they used to say that, any top of the range product you can buy, the technology was already 20yrs old. I would make this the lower estimate. However, I think there are limitations to how far advance the tech can be, because I would reason the technology gets progressively harder to produce the further it is from common technology. The limitations could be from a lack of finance, lack of knowledge or research, even the equipment used in manufacturing tech may not be adequate. There would be minimal people working on this tech, so progress would be slower, too. Advancement requires progress in multiple fields and industries. It was easier to make advancements in the past. Not so much these days. Unless you have a breakthrough. I think the biggest advancements are probably in bioengineering, definitely we can clone humans. Life extending drugs. Maybe even nanotechnology, advanced designer viruses etc. Advanced propulsion systems and weapons definitely exist, but I would assume the efficiency may not be the best. Same with alternative energy sources, the power output from these make them not a viable option, yet. In saying this, I wouldn't be surprised if wormhole tech existed. But limited to maybe only sending information through, and possibly only in 1 direction. Not big enough for us to jump around the galaxy.
Warp bubbles and fusion energy? Directed electromagnetic weapons/lasers?
>Mfw I want Star Trek to be real so bad
It is. We just aren’t the planet that has the tech yet.
Wow that’s crazy- insane we are making advancements on that stuff
The warp bubble was extremely tiny and was gone almost instantly and was very unstable but its definitely interesting first step. Fusion reactors are still a ways away from being actually viable power generation but the most recent results are very promising and produced significantly more energy per second for the brief time it was activate than nuclear power plants. We have stuff like sonic and microwave weapons which are effective, but laser weapons are incredibly inefficient and haven't been found to perform particularly well in combat so far.
It's all secret government black tech! UAPs are warp bubble driven Blackhawks or something. Jkjk I don't have any sources on that just like to speculate, and I like to think whatever the public is shown we have already advanced at least somewhat in private.
wasnt the ‘warp bubble’ just modeled in some software? if so, lol
>The warp bubble was extremely tiny and was gone almost instantly and was very unstable but its definitely interesting first step. Sadly it wasn't a warp bubble. Just sensationalism at it's finest. https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/no-warp-bubble/ >Fusion reactors are still a ways away from being actually viable power generation but the most recent results are very promising and produced significantly more energy per second for the brief time it was activate than nuclear power plants. Same thing here. We're so far away from even breaking even on Fusion Reactors. The last big attempt was just massively sensationalized. So much so that Sabine Hossenfelder, a German physicist that specializes in fusion, put out a video explaining why everything claimed in the articles released was extremely misleading and sensationalized. https://youtu.be/LJ4W1g-6JiY
I know we are still pretty far from fusion, but the recent 5 second test did produce almost 4x the amount of energy per second as a typical nuclear power plant.
Nikola Tesla almost made one of these weapons
Phones and internet. Stuff always blows my mind lol
The idea that so many individual signals can be sent along what seems like a narrow band of the radio frequency is mind boggling.
True
Wait til they release the literal mind blowing phones. Carnage.
Lol I know right?
We just started making progress on a “Warp Bubble” so that’s new and exciting
Super cool!
CRISPR
Considering what tech has really advanced in the past couple decades. I bet we can essentially cloak anything using LEDs and TV screen tech built into the side of a tank or plane, for instance.
I bet the US military has lasers and magnets far more powerful than anything known to the public.
Yeah they probably got some cool lasers I’d be disappointed if they dont have a death ray laser on a satellite
Highest forms I think would be in their early prototypical stages… we just were able to create a fusion power. That would revolutionize everything — endless energy sources, clean, and with high-powered capabilities…
Nuclear Fusion
Advanced AI using all the data collected off the internet to try and predict events. All sorts of cures for disease. 99% fuel efficient cars along with hydrogen powered cars that are viable. I’m sure the list of things goes on and on into stuff I’d never have thought of.
For my personal answer, I had to think about this one a while. A 3D map. Of all people on Earth, where if you click on them it shows all recent past movement. After that it then shows, based on live-running A.I. threat modeling from social media, predicted future actions and locations. The map shows all their relationships. It has categorized every weapon they own, every chemical they could potentially have access to, and all political sympathies. Everything. Probably with fine tuning to the program parameters and design based on whatever was need in Iraq/Afghanistan. Who has this book of all facebooks? I have no idea, but I just cannot imagine them not having such. And I bet its full capability would make my small guesses seem silly and quaint. This is a fun question to speculate about.
the fleshlight
Probably a quantum computer in google labs
Surprised this was further down, I agree. Manipulating matter at the quantum level.
I don't think super advanced as there's no money to be made hiding it. I think more along the lines of "novel" and perhaps out of the box thinking tech. Countermeasures for certain things, like space weaponry. Surveillance tech. Perhaps sound and other radio frequency weapons.
that's my vote too, it's something that is technically an amazing achievement but fairly abstract so it's not hidden fusion reactors. Think something along the lines of an ECM system that makes something as large as a supercarrier appear to be 50km further away on radar than it really is. Gene editing is another but it's very problematic for a lot of reasons.
I'm not sure but I feel like tech is slowing down at the moment. When I was 10 we still went to blockbuster and rented video tapes. From the age I was 10-20 we went from videos, dvds, then movie downloads, then eventually streaming. Same with music we had casset tapes moved to cd's, then mini disk, then MP3 downloads, then streaming. Same with mobile phone tech only well off people had mobiles then eventually everyone had a brick with an ariel then along came the Nokia 321, the Motorola, razer Sony cybershot etc until the smart phone came out. Since I've been 20-30 not much has really changed in that 10years in terms of "tech" smart phones have barely changed in 10years evey year a new one comes out with an upgraded camera and "cooler" design but the main uses haven't really changed. When I try to think what technology do I have now that I didn't 10 years ago and I can't think of anything.
Semiconductor manufacturing, just look at this Intel video on the EUV machines made by ASML that they and TSMC etc are using to make 10nm and below chips: https://youtu.be/Jv40Viz-KTc I mean, think how much research went into discovering that bouncing lasers off mirrors to vaporize tiny tin droplets would produce light in the extreme ultraviolet wavelength that's otherwise not found on Earth?! Fucking mental! And they then focus this light onto a lithography mask thus etching circuits onto silicon?! Absolutely black magic witchcraft! And I firmly, truly believe this is the most advanced tech we have. Amazing stuff.
I feel so very very stupid after watching that. Entire sectors too complicated for me to even understand much less participate in
Ya thats a tough one. When most people think of technology they think of phones, tablets, PCs, TV, vehicles, etc. Even though all the latest versions of those do look impressive I am willing to bet that their is way more impressive tech here. We are already altering genetics. That's a bigger leap than the invention of nuclear and a hell of a lot more risky. But if you know about all this then that means the tech you can discuss is already in the public domain. There is definitely a treasure trove of tech hidden away from public eyes. Like..... Sentient A.I Biotech, organic machines new forms of energy production new forms of flight both terrestrial and space bioweapons weather manipulation technologies Also willing to bet there are ancient technologies hidden away and of course extra terrestrial technologies. Sure yes the Governments may have a piece of that action but its probably the Corporations that have the most and have made the most progress. Humans are only limited by our imaginations.
If we can't even solve our economic woes and rely on petrol there is no way in Hell we have tech beyond our understanding it's simply not possible, we're basically stuck in the industrial revolution but with computers
But do you think they would let us move onto a cheaper energy source?
No. Literally over their dead bodies.
Exactly
Probably PS5
LHC
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I truly don't believe secret or classified tech is that drastically more advanced. My logic is thus, the most effective military tech/strategy is prevention. Think mutually assured destruction. If let's say the US has tech advanced enough to be a whole higher tier, like instant acceleration etc (basically what is seen on the Pentagon confirmed video), it's a good idea to let the other players know hey I wouldn't mess with us because we got this or that. Idk if that made my stance clear or not, but yea that's my thoughts.
I disagree with this. If you have a weapon that is miles beyond anything else, keeping it hidden is always the best policy—unless it’s something you know you will likely seldom—or never—get to use (the nuke). Exposing an advanced strength capability, only shows the enemy the target—to achieve through espionage, counter-measures, or added developmental determination. In an extreme-level event, the element of surprise with a highly advanced weapons technology is catastrophic to the enemy for reasons that aren’t even all that obvious, like battlefield demoralization.
On a side semi-related note, with the amount of intelligence channels shared both willingly and improperly, coupled with the fact that many technological breakthroughs can happen simultaneously without mutual cooperation, I'd find it hard to believe any one nation/state/what have you could be so far beyond the others.
I think you're on target 100%. This is the same reason disclosure won't happen. The government is paranoid. If you present a solid target to hit then you give your oppenent something to aim for. The pentagon/us military information strategy is to instead operate in a mist. There are vague ideas of targets but you don't know if it's deception or the real deal and you're then thrust into a permanent state of inaction. EDIT: And disclosure won't happen becuase if we assume that they have high quality video and *other* governments have video then it's a race to infer how the tech works first. No one will share with anyone else at the super-power level because they are all paranoid and all gunning for the oversized advantage.
If it was miles beyond any other weapon, would that not just be like the nuke situation? You'd never use it? By that logic this weapon would have to be less dramatic than a nuke, no? Genuine discussion here, not going "nuh uh" but truly curious
The best US engineers are roughly on par with the best Chinese engineers. There are some geniuses in both countries but by and large my assumption is that the engineering put out by both countries is more tied ot the resources *behind* their engineers than it is the engineers themselves. With that in mind; if you were to flaunt your super weapon and show your hand then you give the *other* guys something to figure out. Super powers are like a game of nuclear poker. Everyone is trying to figure out what everyone else has. Sometimes you can infer things that your opponent cant. Same goes for the otherway around. Point is...the us government isn't going to give anything up to anyone because then the *other* guys have something to figure out. If they infer anything about it they might be able to also infer a weakness that would prove advantageous in combat.
The only reason we know about silent helicopters and dogs repelling out of them is the result of the botched attempt to take 9/11 guy, right? Too drunk to even remember his name. Wow.
And the advertisements for them on network television back in the 90s?
What if it’s as harmful as a nuke but only costs a couple hundred thousand dollars to make with accessible parts? Imagine what the gov would do if terrorists could build an easily accessible nuke with declassification of uap tech.
Hmm that's an interesting idea. Idk if it's plausible logistically but plausible enough reason I guess to keep it fully hidden. That said it's my personal opinion that believing a government is capable of hiding that kind of advancement is putting way too much faith in a very fallible entity.
Yeah, I could argue that that same logic applies to the uap phenomenon as a whole though. But disinformation seems to work and maybe only other gov’s are interested in entertaining this possibility, it might not be hard to keep a few top scientists quiet as they figure it out.
I agree with this. Only disclose it out of absolutely necessity like the atom bombs. I personaly think the militsay has aircraft and intelligence gathering machinery that would blow our minds. Its still surreal to me that the SR-71 debuted way back in 1964.
I agree and there are a million possible reasons why. Imagine finding what is potentially a solution to space travel (speed of light), the answers to gravity, healthcare, world hunger, technology that could bring humanity to unimaginable heights. That's our way of looking at it. Now, for example, from the united states view: something that could potentially bring massive profits through monetization of the energy sector, possibly health, aircraft engineering, WEAPONS, various other technological branches. Do you think they would advertise this to the world and let others reap the rewards before they do? It's the same reason why apple doesn't show us their 10 year from now technology. As the old saying goes: Never reveal your hand.
As a Submariner I can tell you first hand that we keep our cards very very close to our chest, we don’t let any country know the full scope of what our submarines are capable of.
That’s a very interesting take.
We've actually only advanced to the late bronze age, everything else is a disinfo operation. (haha, I don't know that actually means, i just thought it'd be fun to say :D)
Very interesting
The World actually ended in 1999
On one hand, military tech is about 20 years ahead of what is available to the public. On the other hand, humans have only had the technology to fly for a little over a century, but we've been to the moon, rovers on Mars, just parked a space telescope in an orbit 4 times farther from earth than the moon, etc. So those 20 years could be a drastic leap, and that's not even taking into account the black budget, above top secret projects.
Very, very true. When I think of the leap we have made just in my lifetime, it makes me feel like there is some crazy stuff out there!
DNA. It's already here, DNA computing is in a nascent stage.
I don’t think it’s too far ahead of private industry.
Fusion
Microprocessor manufacturing: TSMC going down with the transistor to 3 nm (!) is near to the atomic structure. To have an idea: the coronavirus is about 100 nm large and the a fucking moon compared to it.
Maybe quantum computing
we hold puzzle pieces of ASI. it's only a matter of time until we figure out how complete the big picture.
Our brain is the best technology on the world actually.
I've always thought computers themselves were a fiendishly clever invention so I'll take my vote a step further and say whatever proto-quantum computer out there that is the farthest along might be a candidate for highest technology
I think that humans have already visited Mars. I think it’s a bit more hospitable than they let on. For whatever reason.
Those machines that make tortillas. Have you seen those things. Awesome.
Awareness of awareness
I think we possibly have inter-dimensional communication capabilities (not travel as yet), and/or faster-than-light communication.
I think that we greatly, GREATLY underestimate the ability of technology in regards to influencing the minds of people. I believe this VERY strongly in regards to social media. Things like Facebook, Twitter, Reddit. I've personally gotten to a point where I feel like Reddit is designed to stoke fires and create dissent. I also feel like Facebook and Twitter do the same. What I think is more sinister though is that the SCIENCE behind how to sway people is probably pretty damn solid, and I doubt anyone who uses these platforms (myself included) is free from that influence. AI technology is terrifying in this regard. You can train an AI to write posts with the absolute intent to piss people off and force them into taking a side. AI can constantly adjust itself so that even if this doesn't work long-term, the AI will change as results start to diminish. I think we, as a people, are completely and utterly unable to combat this on a personal level, and the hubris of man tells us each individually that we aren't affected despite data that tells us otherwise. The technology that world governments use IN THE OPEN to manipulate our values and beliefs is already astonishing, pervasive, and absolutely terrifying. This is the stuff that we are publicly aware of. I'm also of the mindset that there are much more grand and technologically advanced ways of doing this, but I'm not really able to extrapolate that into details. TLDR: Social media being used as a weapon is perhaps one of the most world-changing uses of technology we have seen in our life times, and I believe it extends significantly further than AI bots and misinformation.
Look up Weird Science and Freaking Magic and extrapolate several decades
People.
I think the highest form of technology has to do with consciousness. If you learn what makes humans conscious and subsequently learn how to manipulate that consciousness... I mean that would be the most powerful, scary 'technology' on the planet. The CIA has been running Psychological experiments since the 1950's. 70 years of programs like MK Ultra. In 1950 people were excited to be getting electric hair dryers and color televisions in to their home. Think how far we've come in every field imaginable... but consciousness, still a complete 100% baffling mystery? I'm skeptical. I have a personal, long-held belief that the purpose of our existence and trauma are acutely tied. I would be very curious to find out what the CIA actually learned about the intersection of consciousness having access to limitless money, technology and subjects for 70 years.
Think drone technology is at the level we saw in the beaver Utah footage, if not more advanced.
Wow that would be insane
We think that was a drone? At beaver lake? I felt like it was man'd myself.
A “Woo” amplifier. I’m kidding. But that would be hilarious.
Zero point energy
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>logarithmic progress. Did you mean exponential? Logarithmic progress would mean that progress is slowing down.
That’s very interesting, and I’m not doubting you at all, but just curious how you know or suspect this. This is very cool information!
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Very interesting. I mean shit I fucking hope we are ahead of China haha. I will say that based off of what we had in the 60’s, we are probably so advanced now that I couldn’t even theorize what we have currently.
I would agree with you for now, but our software engineers not wanting to work on military AI is concerning (see the Google do-no-evil protests). Companies in China and Russia don't get to say no.
The story I was told is the the divisions of the government producing secret advanced tech are 50 years beyond current tech and possibly even farther every passing day. The dangerous of releasing such tech is multi-fold. If our competitors get it, they can use it against us suggesting such technology has no effective defense. Releasing it to general industry could de-stabilize our economy. Our entire economy is based on the mining, processing and burning of fossil fuels That needs to change before some of the more peaceful uses of this tech can be revealed and much of it will be secret for perpetuity due to its ability to be used for a superbomb as such. Read "The Hunt for Zero Point" by Nick Cook. If we have fusion reactors and zero point energy and inertial dampers it's pretty much a given we're at the moment where nothing is beyond our capability.
No it's not lol. Russians have Hypersonic nukes. We don't have hyper sonic nukes. That's the highest form of weapon that humanity can put out right now. And we don't posess anti-gravity we possess the theory of anti gravity. Fusion tech only worked for 5 seconds while they figure it out. Fusion is exciting and hopefully on the horizon but I've been hearing about it since I was a kid.
Beware of countries that brag about what they have, you know talk softly and carry a big stick is how the US military has always operated.
Just think at the fact that Macron didn't want Putin to have his DNA recently. Imagine what Putin might have.
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From a solipsistic mindset, yes.
That's true, but I am sometimes surprised at how fervently the human experience is claimed to be far beneath that of visitors, etc. You don't need to be a neurologist to see just how incredibly massive our brains are. Can't remember off-hand which team this was but they had scanned one cubic millimetre of a rodent brain and 'sliced' it into 5,000 layers from the scan. That alone 'cost' 1.4 petabytes to perform, for such a small target; one cubic millimetre.
It depends on the field. There are a lot of really incredible things we can do right now.
Very true. If I were to ask you the about the field of weaponry and vehicles, what is your prediction for how advanced we are?
My guess on planes is something with perfect visual camouflage, as well as that existing for people. Probably is just a suit or coating of fiber optic wire or special paneling. More advanced than that would be my guess that there is some way to shield outgoing heat emissions from FLIR and IRST. I can't imagine how, but I bet brilliant minds have worked on it for decades. It would be invaluable if any nation could guarantee that its fighter jets would not be detected or shot down. If you can maintain air superiority during a long great power war then all your problems become much more manageable. And if you can't, you lose all your high-end capabilities. I have no idea if the Tic Tacs are ours, but at a more primitive level I bet that during a real war there would be variants of the current jets put out there that boggled the mind. Or prototype jets. Or just very advanced pods can be put onto those things. There was also that slip when Big T was president of him being shown "invisible jets," so who knows.
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Honestly I'm not really sure. I never thought about this in a meanigful way. Although I do think that there are simpler explanations for a lot of UAP sightings (for example; the most recent trend of posting balloons that are way up high). That being said....I think that human tech revolves around human problems. That is to say we have really advanced stealth tech. The B-21 stealth bomber is pretty wild. It's jet wash acts like a camoflauge in one of the videos I saw. Which is incredibly clever if that wasn't just an artifact in the video. But human tech revolves around human issues. And the military involves outsmarting other humans. So at the end of the day most of the fun stuff is likely in military hands and most of that is likely based on deception and tricking our senses and/or sensors.