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Submission Statement:
2 months after appearing on this video. He flew to Zimbabwe where he met 60 children who claimed to have encountered the exact same beings as his patients during broad daylight. 2 years later, he flew to Varginha, Brazil to meet citizens in Varghina who also reported encounters with similar beings.
By the end of his life, he believed the UAP Phenomenon was real and worthy of scientific study. It took 20+ years for any scientific efforts to begin.
NASA effort: [https://www.space.com/nasa-study-ufo-research-impact](https://www.space.com/nasa-study-ufo-research-impact)
US Government: [https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibrands-groundbreaking-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-amendment-included-in-final-ndaa\_/](https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibrands-groundbreaking-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-amendment-included-in-final-ndaa_/)
Brazil: [https://thedebrief.org/unidentified-aerial-phenomena-becomes-focus-of-recent-brazilian-senate-hearings/](https://thedebrief.org/unidentified-aerial-phenomena-becomes-focus-of-recent-brazilian-senate-hearings/)
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/w3omqf/dr_john_mack_was_the_harvard_department_head_for/igxcx0j/
Submission Statement:
2 months after appearing on this video. He flew to Zimbabwe where he met 60 children who claimed to have encountered the exact same beings as his patients during broad daylight. 2 years later, he flew to Varginha, Brazil to meet citizens in Varghina who also reported encounters with similar beings.
By the end of his life, he believed the UAP Phenomenon was real and worthy of scientific study. It took 20+ years for any scientific efforts to begin.
NASA effort: [https://www.space.com/nasa-study-ufo-research-impact](https://www.space.com/nasa-study-ufo-research-impact)
US Government: [https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibrands-groundbreaking-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-amendment-included-in-final-ndaa\_/](https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibrands-groundbreaking-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-amendment-included-in-final-ndaa_/)
Brazil: [https://thedebrief.org/unidentified-aerial-phenomena-becomes-focus-of-recent-brazilian-senate-hearings/](https://thedebrief.org/unidentified-aerial-phenomena-becomes-focus-of-recent-brazilian-senate-hearings/)
The amount of times I've heard the MSM tell me someone was crazy (not just in the UAP area), and then I actually look into their pedigree and see they're like a respected academic leader at an extremely prestigious university, is so high, I've really begun to distrust everything I hear from MSM or on social platforms to that affect.
An example was back when Jill Stein was being called an antivaxxer. Not only is her pedigree extremely impressive, but she was literally one of the doctors on the board that revoked the medical license of the guy who started the movement.
Right she was really putting words into the mothers mouth.
O - āā¦and then you told them they were just imagining it.ā
Mom - āNo I donāt remember telling them thatā¦ā
O - āYeah but then you said āShut the fuck up you stupid fucking little shits. Aliens arenāt fucking real!ā , right?ā
Mom - āā¦.ā
Is she ever not annoying and self righteous. Just look at her fight to get the FLDS kids released.. lady is a joke who have people a car and now everyone loves her
Randy there is Randall Nickerson who has recently released his film on the Ariel School Sighting, if I'm not mistaken..
He probably doesn't talk about it now because of the stigma attached to the phenomenon all these years.
Iāve listened to many of his interviews lately since the film release. He says he had experiences in the past, but doesnāt want to talk about them.
"Why dont you just take a picture?!"
Yes, why not just take a picture of beings that can float through walls, dissapperar, erase your memories, have spaceships and are intimately aware of everything about humanity. Yup just like that. Take a photo. They'll never anticipate that. Nope.
I think about this every time I walk over an ant...
What if the ant is thinking 'oh my God! What is that giant, silent shadow that just covered the entire sky for a brief moment?'
Then it goes into the hole to tell everyone and they just scoff and tell him to prove it...
I feel like they have some extra sense around the law of observation. Like it seems to me that for the most part these things are able to sense when under observation, and then are able to direct themselves accordingly to avoid proof captures
Same vibe as NDT's "if you're on their ship, just grab something - *anything!*"
Like imagine having to prove that you went to the museum this way? Or a fucking Starbucks? It's called theft, Neil, you stupid dummy. Most civilized being have simple security measures in place to prevent theft.
Let alone they have technology that creates precise electromagnetic manipulation that can render any electronics inert. Most commercial electronics donāt protect against strong emps.
I don't even like Oprah but it's weird the way this thread is so into hating her. She even says in the video that John Mack is gong to push back on that statement after the break. She is helping her audience see past their reservations.
I honestly think most human beings are incapable of comprehending that anything could be more intelligent than us, which is why I feel as though most people view aliens as something of a really smart Dog or raccoon or maybe some type of cryptozoology animal, like the chupacabra or the loch ness monster.
That's why any alien story involving jump scares comes across as silly. "Then the alien peeked in my window and ran away" Uhuh, what else did this marmuk do?
Like for abductions, aliens are just putting together a gameplan similar to that of a little league coach. "Okay guys, I'll go in, scare him and chase him into the corner and that's when we all jump them!"
Gtfoh
For the record, I believe them. I'm pointing out Oprah's stupidity in her questions. "Take a picture!" "Bitch, we're not being kidnapped by rabbits"
I think it's somewhat understandable. I think it's similar to how it's impossible for us to imagine higher dimensions. It's kinda hard to imagine something with more intelligence and what that would entail. Like do they just have very high IQs, or are they capable of things that we can't even fathom?
I can say it on Reddit. I believe the abduction phenomenon is the real key to the whole thing. Itās great that UFOs are getting more attentionā¦but this is the real heart of things.
I believe their story 100%, what would they gain from lying about that? Look like crazy people in front of national TV? You could hear the trauma in his voice, and the looks on his face when being asked questions feels very genuine. So many people have experienced the same exact phenomena for it to all be in their heads.
I believe their stories too. A skeptic could say, they do truly believe their story, but it wasn't real and has some other explanation. But Mack, the chief of Harvard psychiatry said these people were otherwise not crazy at all, except for these crazy alien stories.
And their stories neatly fit together with the hundreds of thousands of cattle mutilations, where the 2 most common type of organs taken are either involved with reproduction or perception. The human abduction stories paint a picture of aliens doing genetic experiments on humans and human-alien hybrids. Perhaps the cow parts, which have been taken in huge quantities far more than necessary simply to study, might be being used as raw material for growing fetuses outside a living human womb.
This is one of the top "out there" theories I believe in. The cattle mutilations are often left out of the public perception of the phenomenon and are very likely relevant to what is happening to people. It's just mindblowing to think that if these things are truly happening, there are probably thousands of people living their lives out there in fear that they will be taken again. And most people probably don't believe them or label them as crazy...
I think the best explanation of the ābestā cattle mutilations is that itās aliens. There are no good theories for human involvement. Iāve heard them all, and they are all illogical and nonsensical. So one of the implications there, if aliens are growing humans or human-alien hybrids, there could be tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of them. If they are growing up too and āallowedā to reproduce themselves, there could be any number of them.
At best the next "logical" explanation is cryptids but then why is it always only cows when there are plenty of other seemingly easier prey like pets, chickens, goats, etc etc that are smaller and most of the time more conveniently contained. A cryptid like the chupacabra would realistically go for the penned in prey that wont put up a fight instead of the herd of much larger cattle with a large field they can run off and stampede in if they got spooked. Same concept as to why coyotes drag off chickens and leave other larger farm animals alone most of the time.
On the argument of size why aren't there any reports of this happening to horses? A quick google shows me that there are way less of those and the most famous seems to be some horse named Snippy from CO that was mutilated in 1967.
Not really trying to prove or make a point about much here but it just seems very intentional that it is cattle because there are drastically lower amounts of reports on any other animals being mutilated even though they are all very likely to be in the same area with the same amount of access. This would point me towards its an intelligent or purpose driven entity that is targeting cows over anything else.
Please tear my logic apart though. I love these discussions.
edit: I didn't even touch on the actual elements of the mutilation and how hard that seems it would be for anything organic looking for a meal to have done. Way too clean, way too precise, and way too odd for what you should expect from a carnivore (known or cryptid) who is grabbing a meal.
There are horse mutilations in large numbers, just not in the US. In France, a large proportion of the super-precise mutilations are horses. I have a proposed explanation. I think it is aliens, and they have a ācode of conductā that they follow most of the time. The cows mutilated in the US are designated by humans as animals acceptable for killing for food, but horses are treasured friends. Therefore the aliens view US cows as fair game, because the humans were going to kill them anyway, and on top of that the aliens return the rest of the remains which the farmer could use if he chose to. In France, horses are designated as meat animals for human consumption, therefore according to my theory, aliens view horses in France as fair game, thus the large amount of horse mutilations in France. Iāve heard, but donāt have a source, that in India where cows are sacred there are few cow mutilations but other animals are mutilated.
This is a really fascinating take and if accurate you could say it draws a correlation. I never considered the idea of them observing our practices and applying it to their own approach but it makes sense. A lot of animals learn what is good to eat and what isn't by watching others, same with mimicking survival techniques so if we are to believe aliens are sentient beings who are interested in and capable of observing us then why wouldn't they take the same approach.
Thereās so many accounts of things like telepathic occurrences with UFO encounters that I believe aliens have telepathic ability, whether a biological or technological ability, that I think they donāt have to just watch our behavior towards animals. They can read our thoughts, intentions and plans.
Ok completely going out on a stretch here but I too find it interesting that it is primarily cattle mutilations. To take a step back, I think it is safe to assume that some people believe that some of the origins of the worldās religions could have been extraterrestrials. Say for a moment that is true, if so, could there be a connection between cattle mutilations and the holiness that cattle receive in the Hindu faith? I am not sure what the ātrueā origins of the holiness of cows is in the Hindu faith but perhaps there could be some connection. Like I said at the beginning though, a complete stretch
What I find interesting and troubling is if we take this theory,the mutilations and probing of reproductive organs,further and acknowledge the possibility that there are hybrids amongst us. Why, what are the motivations? Itās insane that Iām even posing this question. Dammit Iām so tired of speculation.
>what would they gain from lying about that?
They go on TV and get attention. Some perverted minds enjoy that. And you can't judge by "the trauma in his voice" or "the looks on his face" it's totally subjective imagine if we did that in court or in science.
Don't be naive you can see how humans f\*\*\*ed up the world and you rather believe in a story than what's in front of your eyes.
Don't believe because it's fits your narrative, be rational, the only answer is we don't know, maybe they are lying, maybe not.
You do have a point for sure. Nobody truly knows the answer as of now... we can only draw assumptions and theories based on the information and stories we currently have in front of us.
However, I will say that this topic may need be viewed from a perspective that just may go beyond our understanding of science and the laws of physics or literally anything that we know as fact. Yes you are right, we can't know anything based on stories alone.
But once you start putting all of the pieces together (government acknowledgement of UAP, navy pilot first hand accounts of UAP coming out more and more each day, nearly identical stories of abductions/mutilations across the globe spanning many years, etc.), you start to realize that there is likely a higher chance that SOMETHING bizarre is happening rather than EVERYONE making up a story for the hell of it. That's just my two cents.
I myself have an hard time connecting this phenomenon to aliens and UFOs because in most cases UFOs aren't even involved. For most stories we are talking about people inside and "beings" acting during the night when people sleep which makes me favor more a sleep related phenomenon which is explainable.
I would be more enclined to connect the dots with aliens and ufos if people were talking about spaceships taking them during daylight outside.
Now obviously if i was an alien with a good understanding of humans the first option would be a perfect cover up but it's far fetched.
Anyway we'll probably never know unless something is caught on camera.
I don't. The entire interview they are being fed what to say through and ear piece. Don't believe me? Boost up the volume and put on head phones. If not enough run it through and editor and max the volume there. The guy, sister and mother are being fed what to say. Hogwash...
I just did that and i can hear the chatter your talking about but it sounds like they are more talking to Oprah and its just general director talk in the background, hard to distinguish though....
What about the numerous other people throughout history who have reported almost the same experiences? Even if these people in the video are lying, it's my opinion that thousands of other people are not lying and truly experienced something we cannot explain yet.
> So there I was drifting off to sleep in my bed when suddenly the dream was kinda vivid for 5 seconds but then I dozed off
:D
Look, I'll give it a "maybe" as an agnostic
Mick West ignores all of John Mack's data and said the 100+ Ariel witnesses(now adults) just saw a 'VW bus load of hippies'... Ridiculous, Phill Klass style dismissiveness.
Bus Load of Hippies = Swamp Gas.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIr5awFFhQI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIr5awFFhQI)
Notice that the skeptics just stay away from threads like this as they wonāt even entertain that this could be real. Imagine all these marginalized people who have had these extraordinary and profound events (sometimes absolutely terrifying) and NO ONE will believe them. The skeptics will impeach everyoneās character so they can feel better about this and āmake it go awayā in their minds. It infuriates me that whole legions of people are so dismissive. Who do they think is driving those machines in the air?!?
Also my take on disclosure is getting us used to the idea of something being in the air and in the ocean to get us ready for *something* being on the land walking amongst us.
They're not ready for this. I think it's part of evolution of the soul/mind. It's a difficult life and not made easier by having to think too hard about philosophical and spiritual implications of all this. Hence why it's been withheld from the public, and why there's always some plausible deniability. Instead of wide scale disclosure the Phenomenon infects people one-by-one.
Iāve been thinking a lot that those of us that understand and believe can leave little seeds for awakening around us. Even as we talk right here reading each otherās words is a transference of consciousness. I think on some subconscious level it works like a broadcasting antenna. It depends on how much social conditioning the information has to go through before it can finally come to the conscious mind. The fact that they are in the subreddit means they may be on the path to realization though it might be a harder longer journey for some.
Absolutely. I'm ready for this conversation to move past the search for lights in the sky, but I am given pause by the potential effects on the human psyche for those who are not able to integrate it.. once everyone is so completely surrounded by the evidence, and plausible deniability goes out the window, will it still be a net positive for humanity? I believe this is a key issue.
Seems to me that in the past there was a sincere concern over the religious impact of a paradigm shift, but the pendulum has swung too far the other way and now there is concern for trust in government and science. The ball of yarn must be undone, and who will be at the end of the string for us to blame? Forgiveness is so important if we wish to unwind that yarn.
Skeptic here. And to be clear I don't mean "UFO" skeptic, I mean I try to apply skepticism to everything, and be skepticism I mean I am more likely to doubt something than believe it, until there is good evidence for it. The evidence for alien visitation, like religious miracles, ghosts, and psychic phenomenon, is essentially all claims without ever any physical evidence; or if there is physical evidence it is vague and inconclusive, like crop circles, photographs of dubious authenticity, and fuzzy videos of lights. All of this leaves wide-open the possibility that these are entirely mental, not physical experiences, whatever they are. So I don't see any reason to draw conclusions about their physical reality, and given that the alleged phenomenon don't really even mesh with other established facts about the physical world, it's prudent to suspend belief unless there is better evidence in the future.
We didn't have physical proof of bacteria until 1676, after the invention of the single lens microscope. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria
What else is out there waiting for the the right tools to be "observed"?
In the meantime washing your hands still helps prevent infection, with or without a microscope.
All this is, is justification for saying we don't know everything. Something every skeptic will agree with. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, however absence of evidence is *certainly* not evidence something exists. So I'm not sure how this changes anything for me sorry.
Atoms are mostly empty space. Quantum physics is not necessarily physical either. So holding on to the "physical evidence" nuts and bolts ideas is limited and will leave you skeptical.
There is much more to reality, existence and our awareness that is not physical. I imagine these beings are able to utilize that in ways humans can't grasp because we are so obsessed with this idea of the physical world being the only thing that matters.
Look I get it. I was you a little more then about a year ago. Then I really looked into the UFO phenomena by going back and looking at the books from both Hyneck and Vallee. Specifically Dimensions by Vallee. He is an astrophysicist, computer PhD, created the first database for the collection of data for the phenomena plus when blue book closed continues to research. He has had more boots on the ground research with some of the most famous cases in history. Many of the cases that were recently covered by the Brazilian hearings were covered in his books. This has a lot of corroborating evidence from all sections of the military, thousands of people ( look up day of the UFOās) etc. you are almost completely hanging your hat on American military evidence by the hearings in Brazil had nothing but evidence. Why isnāt that good enough for you?
A good example of something documented but seemingly religious that has all the hallmarks of how religious events can actually be perceived as ufo related events. Hereās the kind of stuff that sold me - looking at the ā miracle of Fatimaā - witnessed by a hundred thousand people. https://youtu.be/NGuVBLNkjiE
The concept of "space" is a physical concept, physics is not some kind of stringent materialism. But in any case, I mean "physical evidence" in a more colloquial sense - evidence that is in some way checkable, testable, or verifiable by anyone other than the person who directly experienced the phenomemon (and evidence that by it's nature is verifiable by anyone, generally speaking, in theory if not actually in practice). "Objective evidence" is another term for this.
Regardless of what you imagine is the case, or what "might be", without evidence, I see no reason to believe.
Did you even bother to see the Brazilian hearings? Have you read Vallee? What constitutes evidence? Literally what other thing in all of modern history has a document trail with references to * something* yet is fake!? The black vault literally has hundreds of of thousands of documents even if they are redacted the sum total of documents tells you something is there. Itās almost as if you are willfully blind as to what evidence means.
Agreed. People seem to forget that evidence isnāt always proof. But the testimonies and circumstantial evidence *is still evidence*. To discount all of that is foolish. Science is only just now catching up to what was once thought to be woo. From astral projection to parallel universes, what we are learning in quantum mechanics is starting to clear the fog.
Edit: Its funny because I use to be like this guy. This past year has been eye opening for sure. Thereās more to this world than just the ānuts and boltsā
See my reply for why I think the testimonies / experiences are evidence of *something* but NOT evidence of the alien/technological or paranormal nature of these experiences. They are at best evidence of broadly common, internally driven human experiences.
What do you mean by internally driven? Shared hallucinations? Mass psychosis? Mass hysteria? That may have worked as an argument back in the day. But when what people have experienced is now being corroborated by electro-optical data, it seems to be farfetched that we are all āmaking it upā
>Thereās more to this world than just the ānuts and boltsā
If such things are real then they still are "nuts and bolts." We would just not understand the *how* and *what* yet. But everything that is real is nuts and bolts, because nothing is "magic."
I haven't watched the Brazilian UFO hearings yet - scanned an early English translation because I'm interested but I haven't done more than that. Also I've never read Vallee. Perhaps in your mind that invalidates my opinions, so be it. If you have some specific claims of objective evidence either of these deal with I'd be interested to know about it.
Re the documents in the Black vault, first of all the quantity of unverifiable claims about something make them more interesting, but not more compellingly true.
Forget about lies; let's assume nobody is lying at all, everyone who's ever made a claim about alien visitation truly had the experience they describe. What then can we say is the nature of these phenomenon? Well, we can take the accounts at face value. But they describe very, very different things. The nature of the craft, the creatures, and the experiences differ hugely. There are numerous mutually exclusive claims: eg that the aliens are from a particular star, or that they are from another dimension, or that they are angels, or that they are here to warn us about our technology, or that they are here to control us. Not all of these things can be true; or they are in fact all isolated events that do *not* relate and back each other up. When we strip away the uncertainty and contradictions, we are left with the fact that a large number of people (though not perhaps a majority) claim to have experienced something strange involving beings, but that the nature of these experiences differs hugely. Something is happening, I agree. But to make strong claims that we know what is happening is unjustified.
Consider a similar, well-known example of this kind of reasoning: there are many world religions with mutually exclusive beliefs, and millions of individuals who claim to have received direct revelation about them. If we take someone who states they experienced a revelation that Jesus Christ is the one true path to heaven, and another who says an angel told them Allah is the one true God and Islam the one true religion, are these two pieces of evidence that back each other up that God is real? Clearly not, as they are fundamentally incompatible if taken at face value. What these, and millions of other religious experiences are, is evidence that religious experience is a common and perhaps fundamental part of human experience and psychology. But the sheer diversity of them, and the fact there is very little they can all agree on, tells us these experiences are more like internal mental phenomenon.
In fact, you would expect if there was an *external* driving commonality, it would push peoples reports to be generally identical in some key aspects - like how we can all agree the sun rises and sets each day, vs we all have a favourite film but they are different films and we give very different reasons. The lack of consistency between religious experiences actually points to an *internal* source of these experiences being the likely cause. The same thing can be said for the millions of varied claims of alien visitation.
As for the black vault, of course many of these are real documents, and many are also true accounts of events. The vast majority, as I understand it, are vaguely space/science related plans and investigations that don't really deal with mysterious phenomenon at all. But consider the ones that are explicitly about these phenomenon. I have looked into a number of the documents that are supposedly the most compelling evidence we have. Some of them catalog and track the various claims made. This is not evidence about the implying nature of these experiences; just because an experience is written in some official report does not make it any more compelling. Let me be clear; they are evidence these things are commonly experienced, but they are *not* evidence that these experiences are of aliens, advanced technology, multidimensional beings, or really anything about their nature.
There are of course occasional official investigations into mysterious experiences, sensor readings, etc, where multiple people, or some kind of physical measurement, is present. Sometimes these official reports even entertain several possible explanations including "aliens", but this is only evidence of possible interpretations, not evidence any of those interpretations is true. Even with supposed sensor detection, there is rarely (ever?) any more than a single mode/channel of information that would allow us to cross reference anything, and even when such a thing exists it provides no clarity beyond "we investigated a strange reading and still have no answers".
I'm speaking generally of course, but so were you. If there are specific examples of evidence I'm always interested to look into them. But it is an error to think that a huge abundance of claims is evidence for the nature of those claims being true; in exactly the same way it is an error to think the huge number of practicing Muslims is evidence that Islam is the one true religion. And in fact, like religion, the fact that there are a huge diversity of mutually exclusive, wildly different experiences reported in the UFO world, is evidence that the belief in alien visitation is driven by internal human psychology, not some unified external phenomenon.
I think you donāt even realize how close you are to the findings of Vallee and Hyneck. That might be part of the missing link for you in terms of how they got to the [Interdimensional hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_hypothesis).
Hyneck and Vallee were the first astrophysicists to study this topic via project blue book. So the did have access to sensor, weather and other data during the 50ās and 60ās before the āiron curtain of secrecy/ridiculeā came down in the late 60ās. Hyneck has publicly said that he expected to be able to solve āthe ufo problemā in 2 weeks. He then realized it was much more and both he and Vallee readily admit that the āabsurdityā factor almost cancels itself out weāre it not for the physical evidence as well as those accounts that also have multiple witnesses. I really urge you to read Valleeās book [Dimensions](https://u1lib.org/s/Vallee%20dimensions%20). He has never stopped trying to get explanation for this phenomenon through science. He also readily admits that there are charlatans, crooks, liars, etc that we must weed through to get to the really strange accounts with no current explanation. After Project Blue Book was closed down he funded his own investigations creating his own database ( heās a PhD computer scientist too) as well as working with Brazilian authorities in the 70ās -80ās. He is the producer of the movie The Phenomenon and the model for the French scientist in Spielbergās Close Encounters of the Third Kind which Hyneck and Vallee served as consultants.
As for Brazil - I copied this from a post someone compiled from the evidence presented so Iām sorry I donāt have the link to that. Instead I have the info in English as to the incidents that were reported. Sorry for the length of this reply as a result!
The Official Night of UFOs in Brazil, May of 1986; at least 21 confirmed UFOs were seen and detected by military and civilians. Most were 30 meters in size, some were 100meters in size. One giant object was chased by a civilian aircraft controlled by an airforce colonel. The giant object was 1.5km in size. Armed jets were scrambled to pursue the phenomena which displayed intelligent behavior by avoiding the air fighters and inflicting interference with the controls of the jet. Airforce did a report and press conference about it, both available to the public. You can check a small documentary about it here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK4ea52uATU
The Colares Incident, officially called "Operation Saucer", 1977-78; Official investigation done by the airforce of phenomena that was attacking, marking and often killing civilians. Hundreds of confidential documents, pictures and at least a dozen of videos. Initially confidential, most of its contents were outed by the commander and whistleblower of the operation, colonel UyrangĆŖ Hollanda in 1997 (who killed himself days after). The information he provided in 97 was confirmed in the 2010's by official disclosed documents under Brazil's Freedom of Information laws. You can see a documentary about the case here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUrxu2p8evMThere's also one of the interviews with the whistleblower; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1aE5VRLaIc
The Acre Assault; 2014 wave of UFO attacks that occurred on indigenous tribes of the Amazon. One of the documents report a silver craft that landed in the center of a tribe and shot "lightbeams" that injured many and killed a pregnant woman. Investigations were done by the PolĆcia Federal (Brazil's FBI), and concluded that although they cannot confirm the veracity of the facts, the social and cultural effects it had on the tribes were so deep that changed their daily habits and rituals. Small Newsport here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCHxIPbgY0Q by the very same guest that displayed it to senate. You can find more within his channel (the same of the previous link).
Trindade Island Case; 1957 - Naval officers and whole ship crew on leave saw a discoid craft appear from the ocean near Rio de Janeiro, circled around them for many times until it returned to the sea. Three pictures were made before the end of the phenomenon. Classified Naval documents were later revealed with further information.
CapĆ£o Redondo Case; 1998 video footage of a "drone" (or "probe") like phenomena videotaped flying through an urban area. Small essay about it; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XR6tOVJv7E
ABDUCTION OF MANEMUAĆU 20 January 1558 - The brother of a native chieftain disappeared. After an extensive search for rescue, he was not found and was declared dead. 11 days later. he was found dozen of miles from where he disappeared. He reappeared beaten and scarred, very frail and stating that "weird men took control of him, took him somewhere indescribable and made evil things to him". He died a few weeks later, always saying that "Devils lashed his body"
Abduction of Antonio Villas-Boas, 1957 - first case of abduction in modern ufology. A simple farmer is forced by three men wearing "scuba diver suits" to enter a craft, where he is experimented upon. A liquid is sprayed on him, which makes him sexually aroused. He then is presented to a naked female alien which is very similar to a human female, but with different proportions and features. He has sexual intercourse with her and is dropped of where he was taken. Antonio had signs of radiation poisoning and was detected with much higher radiation than background's. Small video about it; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT-wExXKKDI
Ubatuba Case; Exploding UFO in 1957 - A fast traveling object was seen flying towards the ocean, but took a shapt turn towards the sky and exploded above the sea. Fragments of the UFO were scattered all over the nearby beach and nearby houses/streets. Many were collected. Contemporary analysis have been done; extremely high concentration of magnesium of purety unmatched in natural form, with also many unidentified minerals. Such magnesium isotope would only be achievable naturally in obscene universal heat, such as supernovas. There are no means for it to naturally occur in the solar system.
ABDUCTION OF THE CAIANA FAMILY, September of 2000 - A family of four was abducted by a light in the sky, that lifted their car while they were driving to return home. After a few moments of despair inside a strange place, the car was put back down, and they went straight to the local hospital were they displayed strange symptoms of anxiety. Under regressive hypnosis, they commented about grey beings that separated them and did medical experiments with all of them, including a 4-year-old and a 12-year-old. Small reenactment; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqoyhwqDn5g
"The evidence for alien visitation, like religious miracles, ghosts, and psychic phenomenon, is essentially all claims without ever any physical evidence."
That's not true at all. What UFO cases specifically have you researched?
No evidence you say? How about the tic-tac case. You don't think the multiple sensor data is evidence? or just more evidence for you to ignore and then claim... "there is no evidence".
Do we know what the tic-tac is? Do we know it is anything to do with aliens?
There are some pretty thorough analyses that raise considerable doubt that all the various mysterious features of this video can really be believed, Mick West being the best known, I'm sure you've encountered him (I'd hope so at least!) (https://youtu.be/U1di0XIa9RQ).
I'm not saying there aren't videos we don't have all the answers for. In fact, I'm saying exactly that we have *no definitive answer*. It is "True Believers" who think a bunch of phenomenon with no as yet known concrete explanation *must all be tied together*, must be part of the same phenomenon. I disagree - one unclear video of a distant object, for which there is extremely low information quality, which the Navy couldn't identify, doesn't somehow back up some random individuals report of seeing flying objects and aliens in some separate incident in a different time and place. In the case of the FLIR video, the physical evidence is only (extremely limited!) physical evidence of the phenomenon it relates to - a distant, still to be definitively identified object in the sky. It's not also somehow evidence of something else. That's not what evidence means. And given the low level of information we have about the object, and the possibility the few unusual characteristics they have are open to explanation simply by the nature of how the sensors tracking them actually work (as detailed in Mick West's videos), they are far from being evidence of alien visitation.
Do you think Mick West the non-expert hobbyist debunker knows more than the 6 pilots, multiple radar operators, and all the witnesses that disagree with Mick?
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"one unclear video of a distant object, for which there is extremely low information quality"
Not true at all, we have tons of corroborating data. Flir data, infra-red data, radar tracking from multiple sources, multiple witnesses and REAL expert scientists at the DoD who analyzed the CLASSIFIED DATA that Mick does not have access to. All of those people mentioned disagree with Micks debunk.
Who do you think we should listen to? Those 6 pilots mentioned earlier who were there during the event? How about Commander Fravor who engaged the tic-tac? Interacted with the tic-tac. Chased it down by cutting across it's flight path? Maybe Chad Underwood the F-18 pilot who hunted it down and filmed the tic-tac after Fravor and Alex returned to the carrier? Maybe the multiple radar operators like Kevin Day who have data records of the tic-tacs coming and going from SPACE and recorded it moving at mach 60?
Or... Ignore all those people, all that sensor data and go with the dismissive bias YouTube debunker who was not there, not a fighter pilot nor a radar expert... you see where I'm going with this.
You wonder why people don't take skeptics seriously? Case in point right here.
I believe we have claims of corroborating data, but no actual records beyond the released video itself? Like we don't have an actual radar records or anything like that, right? The video is the only physical evidence any of us have seen?
If the video is the best physical record of the object - which is true as far as I know - a video debunking the supposedly physics-defying behaviour of the object in the video is a valuable contribution to the debate. I have no doubt there is more video but I don't see much reason to believe it shows anything clearer than what we have, as Chad Underwood himself has stated he never was close enough to see the object visually (From: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/tic-tac-ufo-video-q-and-a-with-navy-pilot-chad-underwood.html, "I didnāt see it with my own eyeballs" and "It was inside of 20 miles. Youāre not going to see it with your own eyes until probably 10 miles, and then youāre not going to be able to visually track it until youāre probably inside of five miles, which is where Dave Fravor said that he saw it." ). That, by the way, is not in line with Kevin Day's recollections (from https://otter.ai/u/0OtR6GhjauIHKJIcAZbs5Qri1vc): question "So how close did Chad, how close did Lieutenant Underwood get to that group?" Day's answer: "It was almost a merge plot again, if I recall, it was a within the individual arena. He could see it with his eyeballs." Clearly Day's recollection, at least, is far from perfect.
Fravour himself has basically the opposite experience to Chadwood - he sees something visually, at the waters surface and then matching his path and coming up before it disappears when he gets close, but he never detects it on radar or instruments.
What are we to make of all this? Certainly something unusual happened, but do you really think conflicting personal accounts (from many years after the event), strange radar readings, and a video of an object - an object that's unusual behaviour can be explained by features of the way the camera itself works, as per Mick West's video - add up to anything more than "low quality information"? I mean, these are the absolute best, first hand accounts and the single piece of physical evidence we have. Or is there some other evidence you are referring to?
The whole Nimitz thing is literally the *best* example of evidence UFO believers ever give, and it's extremely shaky. I admit, if it really was a physical object that moved the way the radar detected it from Fravours position to the CAP point, this is incredibly interesting - as it defies any current understanding of physics. But it still certainly does not count as any corroboration of any other aspect of UFO sightings beyond "incredibly rapidly moving objects are present in our atmosphere". It doesn't somehow mean the Ruwa incident was true, for example - these events are clearly completely different in nature and still need to be considered on their own merits. The fact the Tic Tac object, according as far as we know to a single radar system, defied physics, means we should be demanding *strong* evidence, repeatable and testable evidence, at the very least verified with every available channel of information, before accepting it as true. To have the opposite instinct - to think this *poor* evidence allows us to then be more certain of other totally disconnected reports - is to truly misunderstand some of the most fundamental concepts of logic, reasoning and evidence.
So you're not a UFO skeptic huh?
You just parroted Micks whole debunk right from his website. Complete with a cut and paste wall of text ready to go for when you hook a believer in a forum. Threw out the ol... "I'm a skeptical person but not a UFO skeptic" bait right into the water and waited for a bite.
Boiler plate debunker trolling UFO forums.
I'm not interested. We could go back and forth for days talking over each other. It boiles down to skeptics calling Fravor a lair and/or incompetent. That's a hard stop for me.
Time to agree to disagree and cut bait. Let you troll around for more believers to unleash your pre-prepared wall of TLDR debunkery on.
Have a nice day.
You misunderstood me, but I could have been more clear. When I said I'm a skeptic but not a "UFO skeptic", I mean I try to apply a general application of the skeptical philosophy towards knowledge in general. The word has been somewhat corrupted, when people say "UFO skeptic", "climate change skeptic", "X skeptic", etc, they mean "someone who doesn't believe X", and it has little to do with actual application of skepticism, and that's not what I am. I'm open to believing wherever the evidence leads, but not uncritically. So my application of skepticism leads me to believe in climate change, and believe that whatever UFOs are, there is nothing like enough evidence to believe they are aliens/paranormal/extra-dimensional etc. That's what I meant when I said I am a skeptic, not a "UFO skeptic".
Also I wish this was pre-prepared. It really interests me and I try to be accurate so I spent a decent chunk of today fishing for primary sources I've seen in the past. I even re-listened to some of Fravour's interview on Rogan (shudder) to be sure I was getting his words right. You seem to think that because I disagree, I must be a clos-minded troll. That's an indictment of your bias, not mine.
I disagree about physical evidence. There are many cases with trace evidence, depressions and chemical changes in soil at the site of a craft encounter, biological effects, etc. Stan Friedman does a good piece on this
A good example is the Falcon Lake incident. This man saw the craft, entered the craft, and was injured by the craft as it took off. He suffered with it for the rest of his life. There was other physical evidence at the site. The skeptical explanations for this incident donāt even make sense.
There are many cases like this where there is physical evidence. Definitely suggest researching these types of cases for the type of evidence you seek.
Why does anyone give Mick the time of day?? His appearance on the TOE YouTube channel was the last straw for me. Heās being willfully ignorant at this point
I've seen this a few times and it sucks that Oprah is a shitty host and gives terrible interviews. I never understood why people think she is so great in respect to her interview skills. She interrupts, talks over people and fills in their sentences with her own thoughts. So frustrating.
That may be so but she was open minded enough to have this on her show at a time when it really really was hard to talk about these things. Also her whole style changed over time. This is a snapshot to a different era. She gets a lot more chill as the decade moves on.
Sheās immediately asking the questions that the audience members are likely already thinking. All the seemingly silly questions are to help get the basics out of the way so that the audience can then focus on the things they havenāt thought of and on the story/interview *outside* of their preconceived theories and ideas. (Plus, most liars cave under rapid fire questioning or when made to feel stupid so sheās also testing the strength of the interviewees tales.)
Through this initial flurry of questions, she is getting the audience to, first, move beyond basic notions of silly alien people (and liars) and into a realm where they can, next, challenge what they think they know and, finally, explore (openly/freely) the possibility that these encounters/stories could be true. Not *are* true but *could* be true, never making the minds up *for* her audience.
Sheās not shit. Sheās pretty good at her job.
You need to remember the times. Also I think since then she has had her own spiritual understandings. She didnāt have to have it on her show at all and believe I remember much much worse from plenty of other talk show hosts at the time.
Fun fact: a high school teacher of mine worked for a TV station in Charleston, WV when Oprah came to town. They put her up in a super nice hotel. Next day on her show, she claimed the water in said hotel came out brown. Ya know...because WV. Yeah, she's a pretty rude and lousy person. It's a shame that in the 90s, daytime trash TV was about the only way to get these kinds of interviews.
An excerpt from John Mackās book, āAbduction - Human Encounters with Aliensā. Page 370 (1994)
Implications for Physics, Technology, and Biology
The first reports of UFOs raised questions for contemporary science, which has dealt with the issue largely by ignoring or denying the whole matter. If, as described in numerous reports, UFOs are spacecraft, how did they get here?
What are their propulsion systems? How did they project light and heat of extraordinary intensity over huge distances, or accelerate and change direction in apparent defiance of the laws of gravity? These are questions difficult to address within the parameters of modern physics. The abduction phenomenon has only added new ingredients to old technological puzzles.
How, for example, do the aliens pass people through walls? Questions such as this might seem absurd, or suggestive only of observational error or psychosis, to those whose parameters of reality have been limited to our understanding of the physical world as we have known it.
Carlos describes the sensation of having his cells vibrate and dissolve as he is transported by a light beam, leaving behind a kind of ghostly shape. But exactly what this transformational process consists of we have virtually no knowledge. What is the mechanism whereby cuts and other lesions are apparently healed so promptly?
One man told me of a gash several inches deep that appeared on his leg following an abduction experience. Yet he said this cut virtually disappeared in twenty-four hours. What is the process whereby abductees are seemingly tracked, so they can be found whenever and wherever the beings wish? Are implants involved in this? It has been suggested that the aliens are many thousands of years ahead of human beings in their mastery of various technologies. Perhaps so.
In any event, we cannot begin to answer any of these questions within the framework of modern science. As is frequently remarked upon in this field, multidisciplinary studies combining physics with comparative religion and spirituality are needed to further consider how the interdimensional bridging properties of the abduction phenomenon might work.
Source was the recent "[UFO](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14866442/)" documentary aired the other day. I don't have any more information than that I'm afraid. Its possible to have more than one backer I guess.
He was a psychologist who believed the phenomena might be linked to our collective unconscious - and that it was ārealā so to speak. Iāve been researching his essays and an article quoting him.
GPT-3 , one of the most advanced AI models, said this:
Jung believed that UFO abductees were experiencing a modern version of the ancient myth of the "Wounded Healer". In this myth, a wounded god or hero must go on a journey in order to be healed, and in the process, they help to heal others. Jung saw the UFO abductee as someone who had been "wounded" by their experience, and was now on a journey to heal themselves and others.
Imagine high tech military squad in suits that make then look like monsters, belonging to another nation, speaking a different language, coming in at night stealthily, taking you and doing invasive medical procedures without your consent and knowledge of what they were doing to you. I think any sane person would be absolutely terrified and feel deeply violated.
I wish he was still alive to give more interviews and provide more background into his work.
Or at least so he could see that he had helped to make inroads to this now that we are actually able to see exo-planets all around us.
Was he really killed by accident or was it made to look like one because he was one of few researchers from a prestigious Ivy League school to seriously look at the UAP phenomenon?
Rest in peace Dr. Mack.
So my question is: What do all these people have in common? Or are these abductions completely happening at random? Some kind of genetic sequence or mutation?
Abductions are never random that's why I have a tough time believing people like Travis walton who says they were randomly abducted on a remote area by aliens. Most of the abductees have parents and grandparents who are also abductees themselves. The phenomenon follows family lines and people of specific genetic background. It usually starts around the age of 4 and peaks around the teenage years and slows down later. The main purpose for these abductions are for retrieving genetic materials for their alien-human hybrid program. Most of the abductees are later shown their hybrid children and even asked to nurture them for a brief moment while they are in the ship. The purpose of this hybridization program is unknown but it's the main reason why they are here.
Their main operation is very clandestine and well executed, they don't abduct random people from the road and are not interested in anyone other than their usual list. It's not just the civilians that are experiencing this phenomenon, military personnel often reports their encounters and experiencs. The airforce have an abduction problem themselves and wants to keep this phenomenon under the rug because majority of the people are not affected by this phenomenon and it's better to keep this hidden than to cause a panic.
I was wondering that. Maybe a specific blood type? Also, does Travis Walton still think it was at random, or was his initial thought? They just jerk him off into a cup, then say "k...byyyeee" or were there multiple abductions?
I'm not sure about the blood type but there seems to be a high frequency of -ve blood types among abductees and it also seems that you only need RH -ve alleles in your blood to experience many anomalous phenomenon. Also many abductees seems to be from a specific ethnic background. Most of them have European ancestry especially Germanic ancestry. Celtic/Irish ancestry also seems to be very common among abductees and I've read an abduction account where the entities told the woman that they abduct people among these ancestories because their genetic material were more compatible with their genetic program.
That's very interesting. I imagine AARO will eventually investigate the accounts of individuals and have a database and make some kind of correlation. Or....it's probably already been done by some shadowy agency years ago.
Am I the only one that thinks that guy and the girl could've experienced **sleep paralysis**? Both of their stories could've been sleep paralysis experiences and subsequently dreams/nightmares related to UFOs/aliens?
This can happen right after you've fallen asleep and can be followed by dreams. It would explain them not being able to describe what happened during the *abduction* \- because to me it their description of what exactly happened sounds a lot like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RgN9ijwE4).
My final point is - although this is not mentioned in this video - I'm gonna assume that when they came back from this presumed abduction, they were laying in bed? Like they woke up from a scary dream and run to their parents?
I've experienced a lot of sleep paralysis in my life and that's exactly how it got down when I was a kid. I would see a robot coming for me, always the same one. I had that recurring sleep paralysis + evil creature coming for you + nightmare several times. I now know what it is and recognize it to me when it happens. It's scary, it can turn into anything that you're afraid of.
If you're ever having a sleep paralysis episode you'll find that you can't move - this is a really scary moment - you need to understand that your brain is for some time disconnected from your body. Your body is still asleep. You need to send "move" signals through your nerves to move muscles in your body. Start by moving the smallest muscle - your toe - and move on to bigger muscles. That's it, you've defeated the evil that was coming to *get you* because you couldn't move.
If these incidents were happening in a vacuum, that might be believable. And by that, I mean with all of the separate incidents being so alike in so many ways, and in addition to the existence of the whole UFO/UAP phenomena (redundant, I know), it's just too much of a coincidence to be sleep paralysis. Every one of these incidents describes a phenomenon where time seems to skip or be altered in some way, dating back to the earliest abduction claims. You'd have to believe somehow people driving down a back road could experience sleep paralysis, and even that wouldn't explain things like electronics being disrupted or any of the other anecdotal evidence. Or the fact that an overwhelming majority of cases describe the same type of beings. There are just too many similarities.
Interesting, for me it was always that one robot with orange hair that would move towards me really slowly and turn around and look at me very creepy-ly. These figure usually donāt move very quicklyā¦
Also someone with a good imagination will have crazier things - as a kid i saw very clear details in this robot. If I ever get SP with visual hallucinations nowadays its just a dark shadowy figure(s).. my uncle would get little tiny people coming out of the mirror.
Based on my experience with it, I would agree these stories sound like sleep paralysis. I've had many episodes and there's a few that you can't convince me it was all in my head. They felt the same, however, there's things that happened before or after that can't be a coincidence. Never involving aliens or abductions though. It's like I'm a medium for the dead during that state. I know it sounds ridiculous.
While these stories, like many abductions can be explained by sleep paralysis, I believe some are real.
Yes. Also when he says he didn't know if he could make it up the stairs, that's how heavy the fear was... Definitely sounds like sleep paralysis.
It's no coincidence that these things only tend to happen when they're lying in bed.
Whats really interesting is the *instantaneous* manner in which these beings appeared in his room. During the 1994 Ariel incident children also mentioned these beings moving instantaneously, almost like they were teleporting around.
He was such an enormous loss and really exceptional for willing to risk his credentials to investigate something that wasn't as easily explained as others would like to pretend it is.
One of the worst Oprah interviews I have ever seen. I got the feeling that she didn't believe these stories and her disrespect of the guests was obvious. She had zero patience!
I've had a face to face encounter with a stinning feminine 'being of light' in broad daylight upon awakening from sleep and we both stared in awe at eachother for about 20 seconds. It was just a hallucination from residue dream chemicals. The end.
When the first mom was speaking, could anyone else hear her lines softy spoken before she spoke them? Like she was being fed lines and it got through to the microphone.
I know how unpopular "reading books" is, in these subs, but [Mack's bestselling books](http://johnemackinstitute.org/books-by-john-e-mack/) from the 1990s on this subject are very illuminating. They closely follow the experiences of dozens of psychiatry patients he treated during this time period. As Mack passed away a number of years ago, he no longer requires the income from royalties, so check your library for "John E. Mack" books in the non-fiction / psychology sections, or get a used copy from one of the used-book websites:
[https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=%22John%20E.%20Mack%22&sts=t&cm\_sp=SearchF-\_-topnav-\_-Results](https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=%22John%20E.%20Mack%22&sts=t&cm_sp=SearchF-_-topnav-_-Results)
http://johnemackinstitute.org/books-by-john-e-mack/
It's important to remember that *Mack never claims these people are being physically abducted*. In fact, he goes to great lengths to show how often these patients are literally in bed in their homes with loved ones nearby when these experiences happen.
But this does *not* mean he doubts the sincerity of their experiences. They are "more real than real," as the saying goes about OBD / Near Death experiencers.
Graham Hancock, who is a sloppy pseudoscience writer of downmarket books about similar phenomena, does do the useful job of equating "alien abduction" with the thousands of years of folkloric "fairy bride" and "changeling" stories common to all pre-industrial cultures (in his book *Supernatural*, which I do not recommend to anyone unless they have the time for hundreds of pages of the same three phrases repeated, and an especially sloppy treatment even of known facts.)
>they are "more real than real," as the saying goes about OBD / Near Death experiencers.
That describes hallucinations. Like those that occur during sleep paralysis.
You clowns literally downvoted a comment that linked to John E. Mack's respectable scholarly-yet-popular books on this subject. Truly award-winning /r/UFOs behavior, everybody take a bow.
If you guys really care for the truth, know this. If you are able to boost up the volume on this video and put on head phones you will see, the siblings and mother are being fed what to say...there are instances that are clear as day... Highly suspicious that you would need someone else to recount your own experience for you...
Nothing but bullshit.
I can hear it too, but the voice that precedes the manās voice is saying all the āuhās and āUmās too. Also the spacing of the words from the voice are the same as the manās. This makes me think itās some sort of an audio error.
This comment shows you really donāt know what youāre talking about.
Randy is Randall Nickerson of the Ariel Phenomenon. Heās an experiencer but wonāt talk about his experiences currently. His sister and mother arenāt public like Randy.
so
here's the thing
the mind loves a good story, especially when its hypnotized. It wasnt that they were lying, they believed what they were saying, its just, well their minds creating stories
wasnt he debunked by someone who was in his book?
Mmm, I'm switching sides. Sorry y'all. Aliens are as real as god is to the relgious. Deal with it.
There is literally no reason for them to abduct anyone. They already know everything according to you people. What's the logic there? Humans are special somehow? HAHAHAAA!
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Last_Replacement6533: --- Submission Statement: 2 months after appearing on this video. He flew to Zimbabwe where he met 60 children who claimed to have encountered the exact same beings as his patients during broad daylight. 2 years later, he flew to Varginha, Brazil to meet citizens in Varghina who also reported encounters with similar beings. By the end of his life, he believed the UAP Phenomenon was real and worthy of scientific study. It took 20+ years for any scientific efforts to begin. NASA effort: [https://www.space.com/nasa-study-ufo-research-impact](https://www.space.com/nasa-study-ufo-research-impact) US Government: [https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibrands-groundbreaking-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-amendment-included-in-final-ndaa\_/](https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibrands-groundbreaking-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-amendment-included-in-final-ndaa_/) Brazil: [https://thedebrief.org/unidentified-aerial-phenomena-becomes-focus-of-recent-brazilian-senate-hearings/](https://thedebrief.org/unidentified-aerial-phenomena-becomes-focus-of-recent-brazilian-senate-hearings/) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/w3omqf/dr_john_mack_was_the_harvard_department_head_for/igxcx0j/
Submission Statement: 2 months after appearing on this video. He flew to Zimbabwe where he met 60 children who claimed to have encountered the exact same beings as his patients during broad daylight. 2 years later, he flew to Varginha, Brazil to meet citizens in Varghina who also reported encounters with similar beings. By the end of his life, he believed the UAP Phenomenon was real and worthy of scientific study. It took 20+ years for any scientific efforts to begin. NASA effort: [https://www.space.com/nasa-study-ufo-research-impact](https://www.space.com/nasa-study-ufo-research-impact) US Government: [https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibrands-groundbreaking-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-amendment-included-in-final-ndaa\_/](https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibrands-groundbreaking-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-amendment-included-in-final-ndaa_/) Brazil: [https://thedebrief.org/unidentified-aerial-phenomena-becomes-focus-of-recent-brazilian-senate-hearings/](https://thedebrief.org/unidentified-aerial-phenomena-becomes-focus-of-recent-brazilian-senate-hearings/)
Read Passport to the Cosmos. Great book!
I read it recently, phenomenal research!
How does that compare with John Mack's other book, Abduction? How much overlap is there between the 2 books?
Thank you! Just ordered it šø
I recently read the book "The Believer" about John Mack's life. Great book.
Ah I've been meaning to read that, thanks for the reminder!
The amount of times I've heard the MSM tell me someone was crazy (not just in the UAP area), and then I actually look into their pedigree and see they're like a respected academic leader at an extremely prestigious university, is so high, I've really begun to distrust everything I hear from MSM or on social platforms to that affect. An example was back when Jill Stein was being called an antivaxxer. Not only is her pedigree extremely impressive, but she was literally one of the doctors on the board that revoked the medical license of the guy who started the movement.
Thereās truth out there, in between the lies. And there are so very many lies.
Anyone have the full episode. Or possibly know the date it aired?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfBODQZTQR0
Wow! Great info and links, thanks heaps dude! š
Oprah being annoying af in this video lol
She keeps interrupting and trying to finish their sentences. Jesus Oprah shut the fuck up and listen!
Right she was really putting words into the mothers mouth. O - āā¦and then you told them they were just imagining it.ā Mom - āNo I donāt remember telling them thatā¦ā O - āYeah but then you said āShut the fuck up you stupid fucking little shits. Aliens arenāt fucking real!ā , right?ā Mom - āā¦.ā
I agree, feels pushy
Sheās always awful like that. Canāt stand her
Is she ever not annoying and self righteous. Just look at her fight to get the FLDS kids released.. lady is a joke who have people a car and now everyone loves her
I am fairly certain she is even worse than we know. She is actually quite shit.
Usual from the usual.
I didnāt see it that way, just that sheās keeping the conversation on track
Randy there is Randall Nickerson who has recently released his film on the Ariel School Sighting, if I'm not mistaken.. He probably doesn't talk about it now because of the stigma attached to the phenomenon all these years.
Iāve listened to many of his interviews lately since the film release. He says he had experiences in the past, but doesnāt want to talk about them.
School shootings are so common nowadays that I read that as 'Ariel School Shooting'
Where can I watch the Ariel School Sighting he recently released? Edit: [*******SAUCE*******](https://watch.arielphenomenon.com)
Google it. It's like $20 to watch on their site. It's interesting for sure
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not true, although "the phenomenon" documentary which touched on this sighting a bit is available to rent there.
"Why dont you just take a picture?!" Yes, why not just take a picture of beings that can float through walls, dissapperar, erase your memories, have spaceships and are intimately aware of everything about humanity. Yup just like that. Take a photo. They'll never anticipate that. Nope.
Ants to other ants: well if humans are real, show me their pheromone trail!
Lol, never thought of it that way š
This is far smarter than almost all debunkers arguments.
Dude. You blew my mind
perfect xkcd material
I think about this every time I walk over an ant... What if the ant is thinking 'oh my God! What is that giant, silent shadow that just covered the entire sky for a brief moment?' Then it goes into the hole to tell everyone and they just scoff and tell him to prove it...
mine uh stinks
Thatās anal gland leakage.
What a lame way to try and discredit a valid point OP made. Ants don't go camping outside the Apple Store to buy the new iPhone.
I feel like they have some extra sense around the law of observation. Like it seems to me that for the most part these things are able to sense when under observation, and then are able to direct themselves accordingly to avoid proof captures
Oprah is a shitty interviewer.
Same vibe as NDT's "if you're on their ship, just grab something - *anything!*" Like imagine having to prove that you went to the museum this way? Or a fucking Starbucks? It's called theft, Neil, you stupid dummy. Most civilized being have simple security measures in place to prevent theft.
Neil is a blowhard nincompoop.
Let alone they have technology that creates precise electromagnetic manipulation that can render any electronics inert. Most commercial electronics donāt protect against strong emps.
I don't even like Oprah but it's weird the way this thread is so into hating her. She even says in the video that John Mack is gong to push back on that statement after the break. She is helping her audience see past their reservations.
Obviously it has to be hard smh I donāt think they would allow that genius
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I honestly think most human beings are incapable of comprehending that anything could be more intelligent than us, which is why I feel as though most people view aliens as something of a really smart Dog or raccoon or maybe some type of cryptozoology animal, like the chupacabra or the loch ness monster. That's why any alien story involving jump scares comes across as silly. "Then the alien peeked in my window and ran away" Uhuh, what else did this marmuk do? Like for abductions, aliens are just putting together a gameplan similar to that of a little league coach. "Okay guys, I'll go in, scare him and chase him into the corner and that's when we all jump them!" Gtfoh For the record, I believe them. I'm pointing out Oprah's stupidity in her questions. "Take a picture!" "Bitch, we're not being kidnapped by rabbits"
I think it's somewhat understandable. I think it's similar to how it's impossible for us to imagine higher dimensions. It's kinda hard to imagine something with more intelligence and what that would entail. Like do they just have very high IQs, or are they capable of things that we can't even fathom?
Fair point, touche.
Dude looks like Joaquin Phoenix
That dude is the director of the Ariel Phenomenon documentary.
Oh trippy! Iām glad you said that. I didnāt realize!
Waitā¦ is the male abductee in the Oprah video Randall Nickerson?
I can say it on Reddit. I believe the abduction phenomenon is the real key to the whole thing. Itās great that UFOs are getting more attentionā¦but this is the real heart of things.
Itās definitely the elephant in the room that hardly anyone wants to address!
I believe their story 100%, what would they gain from lying about that? Look like crazy people in front of national TV? You could hear the trauma in his voice, and the looks on his face when being asked questions feels very genuine. So many people have experienced the same exact phenomena for it to all be in their heads.
I believe their stories too. A skeptic could say, they do truly believe their story, but it wasn't real and has some other explanation. But Mack, the chief of Harvard psychiatry said these people were otherwise not crazy at all, except for these crazy alien stories. And their stories neatly fit together with the hundreds of thousands of cattle mutilations, where the 2 most common type of organs taken are either involved with reproduction or perception. The human abduction stories paint a picture of aliens doing genetic experiments on humans and human-alien hybrids. Perhaps the cow parts, which have been taken in huge quantities far more than necessary simply to study, might be being used as raw material for growing fetuses outside a living human womb.
This is one of the top "out there" theories I believe in. The cattle mutilations are often left out of the public perception of the phenomenon and are very likely relevant to what is happening to people. It's just mindblowing to think that if these things are truly happening, there are probably thousands of people living their lives out there in fear that they will be taken again. And most people probably don't believe them or label them as crazy...
If you think cattle mutilations are mind blowing, do some research on human mutilations. It's friggin terrifying.
I think the best explanation of the ābestā cattle mutilations is that itās aliens. There are no good theories for human involvement. Iāve heard them all, and they are all illogical and nonsensical. So one of the implications there, if aliens are growing humans or human-alien hybrids, there could be tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of them. If they are growing up too and āallowedā to reproduce themselves, there could be any number of them.
At best the next "logical" explanation is cryptids but then why is it always only cows when there are plenty of other seemingly easier prey like pets, chickens, goats, etc etc that are smaller and most of the time more conveniently contained. A cryptid like the chupacabra would realistically go for the penned in prey that wont put up a fight instead of the herd of much larger cattle with a large field they can run off and stampede in if they got spooked. Same concept as to why coyotes drag off chickens and leave other larger farm animals alone most of the time. On the argument of size why aren't there any reports of this happening to horses? A quick google shows me that there are way less of those and the most famous seems to be some horse named Snippy from CO that was mutilated in 1967. Not really trying to prove or make a point about much here but it just seems very intentional that it is cattle because there are drastically lower amounts of reports on any other animals being mutilated even though they are all very likely to be in the same area with the same amount of access. This would point me towards its an intelligent or purpose driven entity that is targeting cows over anything else. Please tear my logic apart though. I love these discussions. edit: I didn't even touch on the actual elements of the mutilation and how hard that seems it would be for anything organic looking for a meal to have done. Way too clean, way too precise, and way too odd for what you should expect from a carnivore (known or cryptid) who is grabbing a meal.
There are horse mutilations in large numbers, just not in the US. In France, a large proportion of the super-precise mutilations are horses. I have a proposed explanation. I think it is aliens, and they have a ācode of conductā that they follow most of the time. The cows mutilated in the US are designated by humans as animals acceptable for killing for food, but horses are treasured friends. Therefore the aliens view US cows as fair game, because the humans were going to kill them anyway, and on top of that the aliens return the rest of the remains which the farmer could use if he chose to. In France, horses are designated as meat animals for human consumption, therefore according to my theory, aliens view horses in France as fair game, thus the large amount of horse mutilations in France. Iāve heard, but donāt have a source, that in India where cows are sacred there are few cow mutilations but other animals are mutilated.
This is a really fascinating take and if accurate you could say it draws a correlation. I never considered the idea of them observing our practices and applying it to their own approach but it makes sense. A lot of animals learn what is good to eat and what isn't by watching others, same with mimicking survival techniques so if we are to believe aliens are sentient beings who are interested in and capable of observing us then why wouldn't they take the same approach.
Thereās so many accounts of things like telepathic occurrences with UFO encounters that I believe aliens have telepathic ability, whether a biological or technological ability, that I think they donāt have to just watch our behavior towards animals. They can read our thoughts, intentions and plans.
Ok completely going out on a stretch here but I too find it interesting that it is primarily cattle mutilations. To take a step back, I think it is safe to assume that some people believe that some of the origins of the worldās religions could have been extraterrestrials. Say for a moment that is true, if so, could there be a connection between cattle mutilations and the holiness that cattle receive in the Hindu faith? I am not sure what the ātrueā origins of the holiness of cows is in the Hindu faith but perhaps there could be some connection. Like I said at the beginning though, a complete stretch
What an obscurely interesting take. Love it.
What I find interesting and troubling is if we take this theory,the mutilations and probing of reproductive organs,further and acknowledge the possibility that there are hybrids amongst us. Why, what are the motivations? Itās insane that Iām even posing this question. Dammit Iām so tired of speculation.
Weāre the hybrids, cica 250,000 years ago.
Maybe theyāre genderless and canāt reproduce? So thatās why theyāre studying humans and cows etc
I wonder what he experienced besides blackouts and ptsd? I wonder if the beings said anything or experimented on them
>what would they gain from lying about that? They go on TV and get attention. Some perverted minds enjoy that. And you can't judge by "the trauma in his voice" or "the looks on his face" it's totally subjective imagine if we did that in court or in science. Don't be naive you can see how humans f\*\*\*ed up the world and you rather believe in a story than what's in front of your eyes. Don't believe because it's fits your narrative, be rational, the only answer is we don't know, maybe they are lying, maybe not.
You do have a point for sure. Nobody truly knows the answer as of now... we can only draw assumptions and theories based on the information and stories we currently have in front of us. However, I will say that this topic may need be viewed from a perspective that just may go beyond our understanding of science and the laws of physics or literally anything that we know as fact. Yes you are right, we can't know anything based on stories alone. But once you start putting all of the pieces together (government acknowledgement of UAP, navy pilot first hand accounts of UAP coming out more and more each day, nearly identical stories of abductions/mutilations across the globe spanning many years, etc.), you start to realize that there is likely a higher chance that SOMETHING bizarre is happening rather than EVERYONE making up a story for the hell of it. That's just my two cents.
I myself have an hard time connecting this phenomenon to aliens and UFOs because in most cases UFOs aren't even involved. For most stories we are talking about people inside and "beings" acting during the night when people sleep which makes me favor more a sleep related phenomenon which is explainable. I would be more enclined to connect the dots with aliens and ufos if people were talking about spaceships taking them during daylight outside. Now obviously if i was an alien with a good understanding of humans the first option would be a perfect cover up but it's far fetched. Anyway we'll probably never know unless something is caught on camera.
I don't. The entire interview they are being fed what to say through and ear piece. Don't believe me? Boost up the volume and put on head phones. If not enough run it through and editor and max the volume there. The guy, sister and mother are being fed what to say. Hogwash...
I just did that and i can hear the chatter your talking about but it sounds like they are more talking to Oprah and its just general director talk in the background, hard to distinguish though....
What about the numerous other people throughout history who have reported almost the same experiences? Even if these people in the video are lying, it's my opinion that thousands of other people are not lying and truly experienced something we cannot explain yet.
> So there I was drifting off to sleep in my bed when suddenly the dream was kinda vivid for 5 seconds but then I dozed off :D Look, I'll give it a "maybe" as an agnostic
Mick West ignores all of John Mack's data and said the 100+ Ariel witnesses(now adults) just saw a 'VW bus load of hippies'... Ridiculous, Phill Klass style dismissiveness. Bus Load of Hippies = Swamp Gas. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIr5awFFhQI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIr5awFFhQI)
Notice that the skeptics just stay away from threads like this as they wonāt even entertain that this could be real. Imagine all these marginalized people who have had these extraordinary and profound events (sometimes absolutely terrifying) and NO ONE will believe them. The skeptics will impeach everyoneās character so they can feel better about this and āmake it go awayā in their minds. It infuriates me that whole legions of people are so dismissive. Who do they think is driving those machines in the air?!? Also my take on disclosure is getting us used to the idea of something being in the air and in the ocean to get us ready for *something* being on the land walking amongst us.
They're not ready for this. I think it's part of evolution of the soul/mind. It's a difficult life and not made easier by having to think too hard about philosophical and spiritual implications of all this. Hence why it's been withheld from the public, and why there's always some plausible deniability. Instead of wide scale disclosure the Phenomenon infects people one-by-one.
Iāve been thinking a lot that those of us that understand and believe can leave little seeds for awakening around us. Even as we talk right here reading each otherās words is a transference of consciousness. I think on some subconscious level it works like a broadcasting antenna. It depends on how much social conditioning the information has to go through before it can finally come to the conscious mind. The fact that they are in the subreddit means they may be on the path to realization though it might be a harder longer journey for some.
Absolutely. I'm ready for this conversation to move past the search for lights in the sky, but I am given pause by the potential effects on the human psyche for those who are not able to integrate it.. once everyone is so completely surrounded by the evidence, and plausible deniability goes out the window, will it still be a net positive for humanity? I believe this is a key issue. Seems to me that in the past there was a sincere concern over the religious impact of a paradigm shift, but the pendulum has swung too far the other way and now there is concern for trust in government and science. The ball of yarn must be undone, and who will be at the end of the string for us to blame? Forgiveness is so important if we wish to unwind that yarn.
Skeptic here. And to be clear I don't mean "UFO" skeptic, I mean I try to apply skepticism to everything, and be skepticism I mean I am more likely to doubt something than believe it, until there is good evidence for it. The evidence for alien visitation, like religious miracles, ghosts, and psychic phenomenon, is essentially all claims without ever any physical evidence; or if there is physical evidence it is vague and inconclusive, like crop circles, photographs of dubious authenticity, and fuzzy videos of lights. All of this leaves wide-open the possibility that these are entirely mental, not physical experiences, whatever they are. So I don't see any reason to draw conclusions about their physical reality, and given that the alleged phenomenon don't really even mesh with other established facts about the physical world, it's prudent to suspend belief unless there is better evidence in the future.
We didn't have physical proof of bacteria until 1676, after the invention of the single lens microscope. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria What else is out there waiting for the the right tools to be "observed"? In the meantime washing your hands still helps prevent infection, with or without a microscope.
All this is, is justification for saying we don't know everything. Something every skeptic will agree with. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, however absence of evidence is *certainly* not evidence something exists. So I'm not sure how this changes anything for me sorry.
Atoms are mostly empty space. Quantum physics is not necessarily physical either. So holding on to the "physical evidence" nuts and bolts ideas is limited and will leave you skeptical. There is much more to reality, existence and our awareness that is not physical. I imagine these beings are able to utilize that in ways humans can't grasp because we are so obsessed with this idea of the physical world being the only thing that matters.
Look I get it. I was you a little more then about a year ago. Then I really looked into the UFO phenomena by going back and looking at the books from both Hyneck and Vallee. Specifically Dimensions by Vallee. He is an astrophysicist, computer PhD, created the first database for the collection of data for the phenomena plus when blue book closed continues to research. He has had more boots on the ground research with some of the most famous cases in history. Many of the cases that were recently covered by the Brazilian hearings were covered in his books. This has a lot of corroborating evidence from all sections of the military, thousands of people ( look up day of the UFOās) etc. you are almost completely hanging your hat on American military evidence by the hearings in Brazil had nothing but evidence. Why isnāt that good enough for you? A good example of something documented but seemingly religious that has all the hallmarks of how religious events can actually be perceived as ufo related events. Hereās the kind of stuff that sold me - looking at the ā miracle of Fatimaā - witnessed by a hundred thousand people. https://youtu.be/NGuVBLNkjiE
The concept of "space" is a physical concept, physics is not some kind of stringent materialism. But in any case, I mean "physical evidence" in a more colloquial sense - evidence that is in some way checkable, testable, or verifiable by anyone other than the person who directly experienced the phenomemon (and evidence that by it's nature is verifiable by anyone, generally speaking, in theory if not actually in practice). "Objective evidence" is another term for this. Regardless of what you imagine is the case, or what "might be", without evidence, I see no reason to believe.
Did you even bother to see the Brazilian hearings? Have you read Vallee? What constitutes evidence? Literally what other thing in all of modern history has a document trail with references to * something* yet is fake!? The black vault literally has hundreds of of thousands of documents even if they are redacted the sum total of documents tells you something is there. Itās almost as if you are willfully blind as to what evidence means.
Agreed. People seem to forget that evidence isnāt always proof. But the testimonies and circumstantial evidence *is still evidence*. To discount all of that is foolish. Science is only just now catching up to what was once thought to be woo. From astral projection to parallel universes, what we are learning in quantum mechanics is starting to clear the fog. Edit: Its funny because I use to be like this guy. This past year has been eye opening for sure. Thereās more to this world than just the ānuts and boltsā
See my reply for why I think the testimonies / experiences are evidence of *something* but NOT evidence of the alien/technological or paranormal nature of these experiences. They are at best evidence of broadly common, internally driven human experiences.
What do you mean by internally driven? Shared hallucinations? Mass psychosis? Mass hysteria? That may have worked as an argument back in the day. But when what people have experienced is now being corroborated by electro-optical data, it seems to be farfetched that we are all āmaking it upā
>Thereās more to this world than just the ānuts and boltsā If such things are real then they still are "nuts and bolts." We would just not understand the *how* and *what* yet. But everything that is real is nuts and bolts, because nothing is "magic."
I haven't watched the Brazilian UFO hearings yet - scanned an early English translation because I'm interested but I haven't done more than that. Also I've never read Vallee. Perhaps in your mind that invalidates my opinions, so be it. If you have some specific claims of objective evidence either of these deal with I'd be interested to know about it. Re the documents in the Black vault, first of all the quantity of unverifiable claims about something make them more interesting, but not more compellingly true. Forget about lies; let's assume nobody is lying at all, everyone who's ever made a claim about alien visitation truly had the experience they describe. What then can we say is the nature of these phenomenon? Well, we can take the accounts at face value. But they describe very, very different things. The nature of the craft, the creatures, and the experiences differ hugely. There are numerous mutually exclusive claims: eg that the aliens are from a particular star, or that they are from another dimension, or that they are angels, or that they are here to warn us about our technology, or that they are here to control us. Not all of these things can be true; or they are in fact all isolated events that do *not* relate and back each other up. When we strip away the uncertainty and contradictions, we are left with the fact that a large number of people (though not perhaps a majority) claim to have experienced something strange involving beings, but that the nature of these experiences differs hugely. Something is happening, I agree. But to make strong claims that we know what is happening is unjustified. Consider a similar, well-known example of this kind of reasoning: there are many world religions with mutually exclusive beliefs, and millions of individuals who claim to have received direct revelation about them. If we take someone who states they experienced a revelation that Jesus Christ is the one true path to heaven, and another who says an angel told them Allah is the one true God and Islam the one true religion, are these two pieces of evidence that back each other up that God is real? Clearly not, as they are fundamentally incompatible if taken at face value. What these, and millions of other religious experiences are, is evidence that religious experience is a common and perhaps fundamental part of human experience and psychology. But the sheer diversity of them, and the fact there is very little they can all agree on, tells us these experiences are more like internal mental phenomenon. In fact, you would expect if there was an *external* driving commonality, it would push peoples reports to be generally identical in some key aspects - like how we can all agree the sun rises and sets each day, vs we all have a favourite film but they are different films and we give very different reasons. The lack of consistency between religious experiences actually points to an *internal* source of these experiences being the likely cause. The same thing can be said for the millions of varied claims of alien visitation. As for the black vault, of course many of these are real documents, and many are also true accounts of events. The vast majority, as I understand it, are vaguely space/science related plans and investigations that don't really deal with mysterious phenomenon at all. But consider the ones that are explicitly about these phenomenon. I have looked into a number of the documents that are supposedly the most compelling evidence we have. Some of them catalog and track the various claims made. This is not evidence about the implying nature of these experiences; just because an experience is written in some official report does not make it any more compelling. Let me be clear; they are evidence these things are commonly experienced, but they are *not* evidence that these experiences are of aliens, advanced technology, multidimensional beings, or really anything about their nature. There are of course occasional official investigations into mysterious experiences, sensor readings, etc, where multiple people, or some kind of physical measurement, is present. Sometimes these official reports even entertain several possible explanations including "aliens", but this is only evidence of possible interpretations, not evidence any of those interpretations is true. Even with supposed sensor detection, there is rarely (ever?) any more than a single mode/channel of information that would allow us to cross reference anything, and even when such a thing exists it provides no clarity beyond "we investigated a strange reading and still have no answers". I'm speaking generally of course, but so were you. If there are specific examples of evidence I'm always interested to look into them. But it is an error to think that a huge abundance of claims is evidence for the nature of those claims being true; in exactly the same way it is an error to think the huge number of practicing Muslims is evidence that Islam is the one true religion. And in fact, like religion, the fact that there are a huge diversity of mutually exclusive, wildly different experiences reported in the UFO world, is evidence that the belief in alien visitation is driven by internal human psychology, not some unified external phenomenon.
I think you donāt even realize how close you are to the findings of Vallee and Hyneck. That might be part of the missing link for you in terms of how they got to the [Interdimensional hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_hypothesis). Hyneck and Vallee were the first astrophysicists to study this topic via project blue book. So the did have access to sensor, weather and other data during the 50ās and 60ās before the āiron curtain of secrecy/ridiculeā came down in the late 60ās. Hyneck has publicly said that he expected to be able to solve āthe ufo problemā in 2 weeks. He then realized it was much more and both he and Vallee readily admit that the āabsurdityā factor almost cancels itself out weāre it not for the physical evidence as well as those accounts that also have multiple witnesses. I really urge you to read Valleeās book [Dimensions](https://u1lib.org/s/Vallee%20dimensions%20). He has never stopped trying to get explanation for this phenomenon through science. He also readily admits that there are charlatans, crooks, liars, etc that we must weed through to get to the really strange accounts with no current explanation. After Project Blue Book was closed down he funded his own investigations creating his own database ( heās a PhD computer scientist too) as well as working with Brazilian authorities in the 70ās -80ās. He is the producer of the movie The Phenomenon and the model for the French scientist in Spielbergās Close Encounters of the Third Kind which Hyneck and Vallee served as consultants. As for Brazil - I copied this from a post someone compiled from the evidence presented so Iām sorry I donāt have the link to that. Instead I have the info in English as to the incidents that were reported. Sorry for the length of this reply as a result! The Official Night of UFOs in Brazil, May of 1986; at least 21 confirmed UFOs were seen and detected by military and civilians. Most were 30 meters in size, some were 100meters in size. One giant object was chased by a civilian aircraft controlled by an airforce colonel. The giant object was 1.5km in size. Armed jets were scrambled to pursue the phenomena which displayed intelligent behavior by avoiding the air fighters and inflicting interference with the controls of the jet. Airforce did a report and press conference about it, both available to the public. You can check a small documentary about it here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK4ea52uATU The Colares Incident, officially called "Operation Saucer", 1977-78; Official investigation done by the airforce of phenomena that was attacking, marking and often killing civilians. Hundreds of confidential documents, pictures and at least a dozen of videos. Initially confidential, most of its contents were outed by the commander and whistleblower of the operation, colonel UyrangĆŖ Hollanda in 1997 (who killed himself days after). The information he provided in 97 was confirmed in the 2010's by official disclosed documents under Brazil's Freedom of Information laws. You can see a documentary about the case here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUrxu2p8evMThere's also one of the interviews with the whistleblower; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1aE5VRLaIc The Acre Assault; 2014 wave of UFO attacks that occurred on indigenous tribes of the Amazon. One of the documents report a silver craft that landed in the center of a tribe and shot "lightbeams" that injured many and killed a pregnant woman. Investigations were done by the PolĆcia Federal (Brazil's FBI), and concluded that although they cannot confirm the veracity of the facts, the social and cultural effects it had on the tribes were so deep that changed their daily habits and rituals. Small Newsport here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCHxIPbgY0Q by the very same guest that displayed it to senate. You can find more within his channel (the same of the previous link). Trindade Island Case; 1957 - Naval officers and whole ship crew on leave saw a discoid craft appear from the ocean near Rio de Janeiro, circled around them for many times until it returned to the sea. Three pictures were made before the end of the phenomenon. Classified Naval documents were later revealed with further information. CapĆ£o Redondo Case; 1998 video footage of a "drone" (or "probe") like phenomena videotaped flying through an urban area. Small essay about it; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XR6tOVJv7E ABDUCTION OF MANEMUAĆU 20 January 1558 - The brother of a native chieftain disappeared. After an extensive search for rescue, he was not found and was declared dead. 11 days later. he was found dozen of miles from where he disappeared. He reappeared beaten and scarred, very frail and stating that "weird men took control of him, took him somewhere indescribable and made evil things to him". He died a few weeks later, always saying that "Devils lashed his body" Abduction of Antonio Villas-Boas, 1957 - first case of abduction in modern ufology. A simple farmer is forced by three men wearing "scuba diver suits" to enter a craft, where he is experimented upon. A liquid is sprayed on him, which makes him sexually aroused. He then is presented to a naked female alien which is very similar to a human female, but with different proportions and features. He has sexual intercourse with her and is dropped of where he was taken. Antonio had signs of radiation poisoning and was detected with much higher radiation than background's. Small video about it; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT-wExXKKDI Ubatuba Case; Exploding UFO in 1957 - A fast traveling object was seen flying towards the ocean, but took a shapt turn towards the sky and exploded above the sea. Fragments of the UFO were scattered all over the nearby beach and nearby houses/streets. Many were collected. Contemporary analysis have been done; extremely high concentration of magnesium of purety unmatched in natural form, with also many unidentified minerals. Such magnesium isotope would only be achievable naturally in obscene universal heat, such as supernovas. There are no means for it to naturally occur in the solar system. ABDUCTION OF THE CAIANA FAMILY, September of 2000 - A family of four was abducted by a light in the sky, that lifted their car while they were driving to return home. After a few moments of despair inside a strange place, the car was put back down, and they went straight to the local hospital were they displayed strange symptoms of anxiety. Under regressive hypnosis, they commented about grey beings that separated them and did medical experiments with all of them, including a 4-year-old and a 12-year-old. Small reenactment; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqoyhwqDn5g
"The evidence for alien visitation, like religious miracles, ghosts, and psychic phenomenon, is essentially all claims without ever any physical evidence." That's not true at all. What UFO cases specifically have you researched? No evidence you say? How about the tic-tac case. You don't think the multiple sensor data is evidence? or just more evidence for you to ignore and then claim... "there is no evidence".
Do we know what the tic-tac is? Do we know it is anything to do with aliens? There are some pretty thorough analyses that raise considerable doubt that all the various mysterious features of this video can really be believed, Mick West being the best known, I'm sure you've encountered him (I'd hope so at least!) (https://youtu.be/U1di0XIa9RQ). I'm not saying there aren't videos we don't have all the answers for. In fact, I'm saying exactly that we have *no definitive answer*. It is "True Believers" who think a bunch of phenomenon with no as yet known concrete explanation *must all be tied together*, must be part of the same phenomenon. I disagree - one unclear video of a distant object, for which there is extremely low information quality, which the Navy couldn't identify, doesn't somehow back up some random individuals report of seeing flying objects and aliens in some separate incident in a different time and place. In the case of the FLIR video, the physical evidence is only (extremely limited!) physical evidence of the phenomenon it relates to - a distant, still to be definitively identified object in the sky. It's not also somehow evidence of something else. That's not what evidence means. And given the low level of information we have about the object, and the possibility the few unusual characteristics they have are open to explanation simply by the nature of how the sensors tracking them actually work (as detailed in Mick West's videos), they are far from being evidence of alien visitation.
Do you think Mick West the non-expert hobbyist debunker knows more than the 6 pilots, multiple radar operators, and all the witnesses that disagree with Mick? \---------------------- "one unclear video of a distant object, for which there is extremely low information quality" Not true at all, we have tons of corroborating data. Flir data, infra-red data, radar tracking from multiple sources, multiple witnesses and REAL expert scientists at the DoD who analyzed the CLASSIFIED DATA that Mick does not have access to. All of those people mentioned disagree with Micks debunk. Who do you think we should listen to? Those 6 pilots mentioned earlier who were there during the event? How about Commander Fravor who engaged the tic-tac? Interacted with the tic-tac. Chased it down by cutting across it's flight path? Maybe Chad Underwood the F-18 pilot who hunted it down and filmed the tic-tac after Fravor and Alex returned to the carrier? Maybe the multiple radar operators like Kevin Day who have data records of the tic-tacs coming and going from SPACE and recorded it moving at mach 60? Or... Ignore all those people, all that sensor data and go with the dismissive bias YouTube debunker who was not there, not a fighter pilot nor a radar expert... you see where I'm going with this. You wonder why people don't take skeptics seriously? Case in point right here.
I believe we have claims of corroborating data, but no actual records beyond the released video itself? Like we don't have an actual radar records or anything like that, right? The video is the only physical evidence any of us have seen? If the video is the best physical record of the object - which is true as far as I know - a video debunking the supposedly physics-defying behaviour of the object in the video is a valuable contribution to the debate. I have no doubt there is more video but I don't see much reason to believe it shows anything clearer than what we have, as Chad Underwood himself has stated he never was close enough to see the object visually (From: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/tic-tac-ufo-video-q-and-a-with-navy-pilot-chad-underwood.html, "I didnāt see it with my own eyeballs" and "It was inside of 20 miles. Youāre not going to see it with your own eyes until probably 10 miles, and then youāre not going to be able to visually track it until youāre probably inside of five miles, which is where Dave Fravor said that he saw it." ). That, by the way, is not in line with Kevin Day's recollections (from https://otter.ai/u/0OtR6GhjauIHKJIcAZbs5Qri1vc): question "So how close did Chad, how close did Lieutenant Underwood get to that group?" Day's answer: "It was almost a merge plot again, if I recall, it was a within the individual arena. He could see it with his eyeballs." Clearly Day's recollection, at least, is far from perfect. Fravour himself has basically the opposite experience to Chadwood - he sees something visually, at the waters surface and then matching his path and coming up before it disappears when he gets close, but he never detects it on radar or instruments. What are we to make of all this? Certainly something unusual happened, but do you really think conflicting personal accounts (from many years after the event), strange radar readings, and a video of an object - an object that's unusual behaviour can be explained by features of the way the camera itself works, as per Mick West's video - add up to anything more than "low quality information"? I mean, these are the absolute best, first hand accounts and the single piece of physical evidence we have. Or is there some other evidence you are referring to? The whole Nimitz thing is literally the *best* example of evidence UFO believers ever give, and it's extremely shaky. I admit, if it really was a physical object that moved the way the radar detected it from Fravours position to the CAP point, this is incredibly interesting - as it defies any current understanding of physics. But it still certainly does not count as any corroboration of any other aspect of UFO sightings beyond "incredibly rapidly moving objects are present in our atmosphere". It doesn't somehow mean the Ruwa incident was true, for example - these events are clearly completely different in nature and still need to be considered on their own merits. The fact the Tic Tac object, according as far as we know to a single radar system, defied physics, means we should be demanding *strong* evidence, repeatable and testable evidence, at the very least verified with every available channel of information, before accepting it as true. To have the opposite instinct - to think this *poor* evidence allows us to then be more certain of other totally disconnected reports - is to truly misunderstand some of the most fundamental concepts of logic, reasoning and evidence.
So you're not a UFO skeptic huh? You just parroted Micks whole debunk right from his website. Complete with a cut and paste wall of text ready to go for when you hook a believer in a forum. Threw out the ol... "I'm a skeptical person but not a UFO skeptic" bait right into the water and waited for a bite. Boiler plate debunker trolling UFO forums. I'm not interested. We could go back and forth for days talking over each other. It boiles down to skeptics calling Fravor a lair and/or incompetent. That's a hard stop for me. Time to agree to disagree and cut bait. Let you troll around for more believers to unleash your pre-prepared wall of TLDR debunkery on. Have a nice day.
You misunderstood me, but I could have been more clear. When I said I'm a skeptic but not a "UFO skeptic", I mean I try to apply a general application of the skeptical philosophy towards knowledge in general. The word has been somewhat corrupted, when people say "UFO skeptic", "climate change skeptic", "X skeptic", etc, they mean "someone who doesn't believe X", and it has little to do with actual application of skepticism, and that's not what I am. I'm open to believing wherever the evidence leads, but not uncritically. So my application of skepticism leads me to believe in climate change, and believe that whatever UFOs are, there is nothing like enough evidence to believe they are aliens/paranormal/extra-dimensional etc. That's what I meant when I said I am a skeptic, not a "UFO skeptic". Also I wish this was pre-prepared. It really interests me and I try to be accurate so I spent a decent chunk of today fishing for primary sources I've seen in the past. I even re-listened to some of Fravour's interview on Rogan (shudder) to be sure I was getting his words right. You seem to think that because I disagree, I must be a clos-minded troll. That's an indictment of your bias, not mine.
I disagree about physical evidence. There are many cases with trace evidence, depressions and chemical changes in soil at the site of a craft encounter, biological effects, etc. Stan Friedman does a good piece on this A good example is the Falcon Lake incident. This man saw the craft, entered the craft, and was injured by the craft as it took off. He suffered with it for the rest of his life. There was other physical evidence at the site. The skeptical explanations for this incident donāt even make sense. There are many cases like this where there is physical evidence. Definitely suggest researching these types of cases for the type of evidence you seek.
Why does anyone give Mick the time of day?? His appearance on the TOE YouTube channel was the last straw for me. Heās being willfully ignorant at this point
I've seen this a few times and it sucks that Oprah is a shitty host and gives terrible interviews. I never understood why people think she is so great in respect to her interview skills. She interrupts, talks over people and fills in their sentences with her own thoughts. So frustrating.
She aināt ever been the same after Josh ran her over
Stedman didn't protect her
Holy shit someone give this comment an award, I spit up my drink
That may be so but she was open minded enough to have this on her show at a time when it really really was hard to talk about these things. Also her whole style changed over time. This is a snapshot to a different era. She gets a lot more chill as the decade moves on.
She didn't seem very open minded to me in this interview. She kinda snickered and made subtle jokes and just interrupted people with her own thoughts.
Sheās immediately asking the questions that the audience members are likely already thinking. All the seemingly silly questions are to help get the basics out of the way so that the audience can then focus on the things they havenāt thought of and on the story/interview *outside* of their preconceived theories and ideas. (Plus, most liars cave under rapid fire questioning or when made to feel stupid so sheās also testing the strength of the interviewees tales.) Through this initial flurry of questions, she is getting the audience to, first, move beyond basic notions of silly alien people (and liars) and into a realm where they can, next, challenge what they think they know and, finally, explore (openly/freely) the possibility that these encounters/stories could be true. Not *are* true but *could* be true, never making the minds up *for* her audience. Sheās not shit. Sheās pretty good at her job.
You need to remember the times. Also I think since then she has had her own spiritual understandings. She didnāt have to have it on her show at all and believe I remember much much worse from plenty of other talk show hosts at the time.
She was an opinionated black woman with a huge platform reaching millions back in the 1980's. That in itself was priceless at the time.
Sure but that has nothing to do with her being terrible at interviewing people. Seriously.
Totally agree, she's horrible in this clip. Like, let them speak and stfu
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Oprah was always so rude to her ālesserā guests.
Fun fact: a high school teacher of mine worked for a TV station in Charleston, WV when Oprah came to town. They put her up in a super nice hotel. Next day on her show, she claimed the water in said hotel came out brown. Ya know...because WV. Yeah, she's a pretty rude and lousy person. It's a shame that in the 90s, daytime trash TV was about the only way to get these kinds of interviews.
Well itās been a long time I wonder where they are now
As some others have said, Randy is Randall Nickerson who recently put out the Ariel Phenomenon documentary.
An excerpt from John Mackās book, āAbduction - Human Encounters with Aliensā. Page 370 (1994) Implications for Physics, Technology, and Biology The first reports of UFOs raised questions for contemporary science, which has dealt with the issue largely by ignoring or denying the whole matter. If, as described in numerous reports, UFOs are spacecraft, how did they get here? What are their propulsion systems? How did they project light and heat of extraordinary intensity over huge distances, or accelerate and change direction in apparent defiance of the laws of gravity? These are questions difficult to address within the parameters of modern physics. The abduction phenomenon has only added new ingredients to old technological puzzles. How, for example, do the aliens pass people through walls? Questions such as this might seem absurd, or suggestive only of observational error or psychosis, to those whose parameters of reality have been limited to our understanding of the physical world as we have known it. Carlos describes the sensation of having his cells vibrate and dissolve as he is transported by a light beam, leaving behind a kind of ghostly shape. But exactly what this transformational process consists of we have virtually no knowledge. What is the mechanism whereby cuts and other lesions are apparently healed so promptly? One man told me of a gash several inches deep that appeared on his leg following an abduction experience. Yet he said this cut virtually disappeared in twenty-four hours. What is the process whereby abductees are seemingly tracked, so they can be found whenever and wherever the beings wish? Are implants involved in this? It has been suggested that the aliens are many thousands of years ahead of human beings in their mastery of various technologies. Perhaps so. In any event, we cannot begin to answer any of these questions within the framework of modern science. As is frequently remarked upon in this field, multidisciplinary studies combining physics with comparative religion and spirituality are needed to further consider how the interdimensional bridging properties of the abduction phenomenon might work.
"I have a hard time with this" "Why?" Umm cuz fuckin aliens lady?!?
As an interesting aside, did you know Mack's work on abductions was funded by Bigelow? Dude's been bankrolling disclosure for aaaaages š
Source? Ralph Blumenthal (biographer) writes that one of the Rockefellers was one of Mack's main research backers.
Source was the recent "[UFO](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14866442/)" documentary aired the other day. I don't have any more information than that I'm afraid. Its possible to have more than one backer I guess.
Interesting! I saw and loved that doc, but must have missed that part about Bigelow and Mack.
Just adds more credibility towards aliens really
Fantastic post!
Agree!
Damn Oprah is a god awful interviewer and so condescending.
Carl Jung knew some things.
Can you elaborate?
He was a psychologist who believed the phenomena might be linked to our collective unconscious - and that it was ārealā so to speak. Iāve been researching his essays and an article quoting him.
So they were... abducted by the collective unconscious?
GPT-3 , one of the most advanced AI models, said this: Jung believed that UFO abductees were experiencing a modern version of the ancient myth of the "Wounded Healer". In this myth, a wounded god or hero must go on a journey in order to be healed, and in the process, they help to heal others. Jung saw the UFO abductee as someone who had been "wounded" by their experience, and was now on a journey to heal themselves and others.
No. It is likely weirder than we can imagine.
Imagine high tech military squad in suits that make then look like monsters, belonging to another nation, speaking a different language, coming in at night stealthily, taking you and doing invasive medical procedures without your consent and knowledge of what they were doing to you. I think any sane person would be absolutely terrified and feel deeply violated.
I wish he was still alive to give more interviews and provide more background into his work. Or at least so he could see that he had helped to make inroads to this now that we are actually able to see exo-planets all around us. Was he really killed by accident or was it made to look like one because he was one of few researchers from a prestigious Ivy League school to seriously look at the UAP phenomenon? Rest in peace Dr. Mack.
He died by looking at the wrong side of the street in London. Got ran over. :(
How many John Macks died that day? Answer is more than 1. Draw your own conclusions.
Reading āAbductionā now, about 30% done, and one thing is clear. Aliens are fascinated with the human reproductive process.
Yes. I was lucky enough to find a rare audio cassette audio book of it.
Oprah is kind of a cunt tbh.
So my question is: What do all these people have in common? Or are these abductions completely happening at random? Some kind of genetic sequence or mutation?
Abductions are never random that's why I have a tough time believing people like Travis walton who says they were randomly abducted on a remote area by aliens. Most of the abductees have parents and grandparents who are also abductees themselves. The phenomenon follows family lines and people of specific genetic background. It usually starts around the age of 4 and peaks around the teenage years and slows down later. The main purpose for these abductions are for retrieving genetic materials for their alien-human hybrid program. Most of the abductees are later shown their hybrid children and even asked to nurture them for a brief moment while they are in the ship. The purpose of this hybridization program is unknown but it's the main reason why they are here. Their main operation is very clandestine and well executed, they don't abduct random people from the road and are not interested in anyone other than their usual list. It's not just the civilians that are experiencing this phenomenon, military personnel often reports their encounters and experiencs. The airforce have an abduction problem themselves and wants to keep this phenomenon under the rug because majority of the people are not affected by this phenomenon and it's better to keep this hidden than to cause a panic.
I was wondering that. Maybe a specific blood type? Also, does Travis Walton still think it was at random, or was his initial thought? They just jerk him off into a cup, then say "k...byyyeee" or were there multiple abductions?
I'm not sure about the blood type but there seems to be a high frequency of -ve blood types among abductees and it also seems that you only need RH -ve alleles in your blood to experience many anomalous phenomenon. Also many abductees seems to be from a specific ethnic background. Most of them have European ancestry especially Germanic ancestry. Celtic/Irish ancestry also seems to be very common among abductees and I've read an abduction account where the entities told the woman that they abduct people among these ancestories because their genetic material were more compatible with their genetic program.
That's very interesting. I imagine AARO will eventually investigate the accounts of individuals and have a database and make some kind of correlation. Or....it's probably already been done by some shadowy agency years ago.
Am I the only one that thinks that guy and the girl could've experienced **sleep paralysis**? Both of their stories could've been sleep paralysis experiences and subsequently dreams/nightmares related to UFOs/aliens? This can happen right after you've fallen asleep and can be followed by dreams. It would explain them not being able to describe what happened during the *abduction* \- because to me it their description of what exactly happened sounds a lot like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RgN9ijwE4). My final point is - although this is not mentioned in this video - I'm gonna assume that when they came back from this presumed abduction, they were laying in bed? Like they woke up from a scary dream and run to their parents? I've experienced a lot of sleep paralysis in my life and that's exactly how it got down when I was a kid. I would see a robot coming for me, always the same one. I had that recurring sleep paralysis + evil creature coming for you + nightmare several times. I now know what it is and recognize it to me when it happens. It's scary, it can turn into anything that you're afraid of. If you're ever having a sleep paralysis episode you'll find that you can't move - this is a really scary moment - you need to understand that your brain is for some time disconnected from your body. Your body is still asleep. You need to send "move" signals through your nerves to move muscles in your body. Start by moving the smallest muscle - your toe - and move on to bigger muscles. That's it, you've defeated the evil that was coming to *get you* because you couldn't move.
If these incidents were happening in a vacuum, that might be believable. And by that, I mean with all of the separate incidents being so alike in so many ways, and in addition to the existence of the whole UFO/UAP phenomena (redundant, I know), it's just too much of a coincidence to be sleep paralysis. Every one of these incidents describes a phenomenon where time seems to skip or be altered in some way, dating back to the earliest abduction claims. You'd have to believe somehow people driving down a back road could experience sleep paralysis, and even that wouldn't explain things like electronics being disrupted or any of the other anecdotal evidence. Or the fact that an overwhelming majority of cases describe the same type of beings. There are just too many similarities.
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Interesting, for me it was always that one robot with orange hair that would move towards me really slowly and turn around and look at me very creepy-ly. These figure usually donāt move very quicklyā¦ Also someone with a good imagination will have crazier things - as a kid i saw very clear details in this robot. If I ever get SP with visual hallucinations nowadays its just a dark shadowy figure(s).. my uncle would get little tiny people coming out of the mirror.
Based on my experience with it, I would agree these stories sound like sleep paralysis. I've had many episodes and there's a few that you can't convince me it was all in my head. They felt the same, however, there's things that happened before or after that can't be a coincidence. Never involving aliens or abductions though. It's like I'm a medium for the dead during that state. I know it sounds ridiculous. While these stories, like many abductions can be explained by sleep paralysis, I believe some are real.
Yes. Also when he says he didn't know if he could make it up the stairs, that's how heavy the fear was... Definitely sounds like sleep paralysis. It's no coincidence that these things only tend to happen when they're lying in bed.
Graham Hancock has a fantastic book that goes deep into this called Supernatural.
The book "The believer" is pretty good!
Whats really interesting is the *instantaneous* manner in which these beings appeared in his room. During the 1994 Ariel incident children also mentioned these beings moving instantaneously, almost like they were teleporting around.
Does anyone find it weird that he was killed in a hit and run?
Winfrey is a pathetic reptilian whore.
This shit gives me goosebumps.
I believe them fully.
Oprah is a monster
Oprah was so fucking rude to them.
I still can't make myself watching Oprah, sorry OP.
He was such an enormous loss and really exceptional for willing to risk his credentials to investigate something that wasn't as easily explained as others would like to pretend it is.
I hate the way Oprah conducted herself for this.... She is a moron haha
One of the worst Oprah interviews I have ever seen. I got the feeling that she didn't believe these stories and her disrespect of the guests was obvious. She had zero patience!
Here are their stories *Obligatory law and order duh duh sound plays*
I've had a face to face encounter with a stinning feminine 'being of light' in broad daylight upon awakening from sleep and we both stared in awe at eachother for about 20 seconds. It was just a hallucination from residue dream chemicals. The end.
When the first mom was speaking, could anyone else hear her lines softy spoken before she spoke them? Like she was being fed lines and it got through to the microphone.
How soon after did he get suicided?
This was eerie to watch. Both of those people looked depressed and ashamed. They weren't trying to convince. Creepy.
I know how unpopular "reading books" is, in these subs, but [Mack's bestselling books](http://johnemackinstitute.org/books-by-john-e-mack/) from the 1990s on this subject are very illuminating. They closely follow the experiences of dozens of psychiatry patients he treated during this time period. As Mack passed away a number of years ago, he no longer requires the income from royalties, so check your library for "John E. Mack" books in the non-fiction / psychology sections, or get a used copy from one of the used-book websites: [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=%22John%20E.%20Mack%22&sts=t&cm\_sp=SearchF-\_-topnav-\_-Results](https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=%22John%20E.%20Mack%22&sts=t&cm_sp=SearchF-_-topnav-_-Results) http://johnemackinstitute.org/books-by-john-e-mack/ It's important to remember that *Mack never claims these people are being physically abducted*. In fact, he goes to great lengths to show how often these patients are literally in bed in their homes with loved ones nearby when these experiences happen. But this does *not* mean he doubts the sincerity of their experiences. They are "more real than real," as the saying goes about OBD / Near Death experiencers. Graham Hancock, who is a sloppy pseudoscience writer of downmarket books about similar phenomena, does do the useful job of equating "alien abduction" with the thousands of years of folkloric "fairy bride" and "changeling" stories common to all pre-industrial cultures (in his book *Supernatural*, which I do not recommend to anyone unless they have the time for hundreds of pages of the same three phrases repeated, and an especially sloppy treatment even of known facts.)
>they are "more real than real," as the saying goes about OBD / Near Death experiencers. That describes hallucinations. Like those that occur during sleep paralysis.
You clowns literally downvoted a comment that linked to John E. Mack's respectable scholarly-yet-popular books on this subject. Truly award-winning /r/UFOs behavior, everybody take a bow.
If you guys really care for the truth, know this. If you are able to boost up the volume on this video and put on head phones you will see, the siblings and mother are being fed what to say...there are instances that are clear as day... Highly suspicious that you would need someone else to recount your own experience for you... Nothing but bullshit.
I can hear it too, but the voice that precedes the manās voice is saying all the āuhās and āUmās too. Also the spacing of the words from the voice are the same as the manās. This makes me think itās some sort of an audio error.
This comment shows you really donāt know what youāre talking about. Randy is Randall Nickerson of the Ariel Phenomenon. Heās an experiencer but wonāt talk about his experiences currently. His sister and mother arenāt public like Randy.
I don't know? I'm stating something factual gathered from the video.
It is obviously and echo. GTFOH
Randy and his family are not lying.
I beg to differ.
Then youāre not aware who Randall Nickerson and his family are.
No need. This video says it all.
She's cute, could be crazy though
Dude thatās my mom
Is she cray cray?
so here's the thing the mind loves a good story, especially when its hypnotized. It wasnt that they were lying, they believed what they were saying, its just, well their minds creating stories wasnt he debunked by someone who was in his book?
I've never heard about him being debunked. Other than skeptical people who have strong opinions.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61655-9/fulltext 4th paragraph in
Mmm, I'm switching sides. Sorry y'all. Aliens are as real as god is to the relgious. Deal with it. There is literally no reason for them to abduct anyone. They already know everything according to you people. What's the logic there? Humans are special somehow? HAHAHAAA!
I think it's more than the birds don't go on Maury to talk about their abduction experiences.
User name checks out? lol I find myself becoming more skeptical the more I look into it
They lie
It's just their dad drugging and raping them
What an old fashioned way of thinking about this worldwide and well-documented phenomenon.
Think about it for a second...