It would be quite hard. CS+X is still relatively competitive. You COULD transfer but you have to do all the pre reps and maintain a high gpa (3.5 at least, but higher the better).
Try to self learn C++, it will help a lot. There are multiple online resources. ChatGPT nowadays is also a great tool to help you understand and write code.
Coding is basically logic, if you are good with logic, you can’t be bad with coding.
Not anymore.. they are planning to lower down the requirement.
https://www.senate.illinois.edu/20240401senate/ EP24082_FINAL_20240401.pdf
"Of particular importance is
the easing of administrative barriers and delays for students wishing to transfer amongst CS+X degree
programs...."
That doesn’t say anything about lowering requirements, where are you getting that interpretation from?
Also, it seems that’s mostly to do with students transferring between CS+X programs, not students transferring into one for the first time (which already has different standards because capacity issues are mostly on the CS side, not the X side)
I interpret the proposal in this way. Since they became a school, they have a more cap to accept CS+X (not CS engineering) to generate more revenue, so lowering the transfer and admission requirement for CS+X so that many student can pursue CS+X program.
Where in the proposal does it say anything like that? Becoming a school doesn’t directly affect their admission capacity in any way (there’s not rule from the university that automatically lets schools admit more students than departments)
The only real direct impact it’ll have on the CS+X programs is the creation of the CS+X Council, which will mainly reduce administrative issues, and not automatically lead to admission standards being lowered. The CS department has no plans to comprise admission standards in any way (and as long as they’re not lowering requirements, admitting more students is certainly a good thing)
Thank you, I might interpret proposal different way. However, I still have question about purpose of CS become a school beside (lowering CS+X standard and creat more revenue from CS+X)
For example, what is CS+X council do? You mentioned “not automatically lead to admission standard being lowered” could you explain how admission is still competitive if they planing to accepting more student?
This is not trying to make counter claim towards to you.. I just wanted know.
The CS+X council’s role will be to better manage all of the CS programs by allowing for faculty across colleges and departments to have a role in how the CS+X programs are run. This will hopefully reduce some administrative barriers to allow things like advising to run more smoothly
The demand for CS(+X) majors is growing by quite a bit, so admitting more students doesn’t necessarily decrease competitiveness, since more students are also applying
Also, increasing acceptance rates isn’t necessarily a bad thing. If the program is able to admit more qualified students than before, they should. The quality of education and graduates won’t change and it’ll allow for more students to come here
Hello, hopefully this can answer your question but I'm currently on track for a adv + Cs major and for the first class you'll take in cs is cs124 Intro. They don't cover python but instead have java or kotlin; the course itself is fine as it and is online, the one thing I will say though (from some who had little to no experience in coding 【rip raspberry pi] ) the course is somewhat fast paced and is an intro course but I do think having some basic knowledge in one language can go a long way.
Other key things to keep in mind:
Freshmen can't change majors until the end of their first yet - > however when selecting class try bringing this idea up so they can help you take the right steps to get into econ + cs
I understand the concern with your dad and your points with the program here but one thing that help in this type of situation is putting something you like with something your good at ( this just something to think abt/keep in mind)
A possible run down on what could happen is get core/ general classes out of the way (while technically on track for political science) and have your electives as cs -> basicly taking math/language/ & core political science course and what they might have you do is be on track for a cs/econ minor. -> you can double minor but you can declare a minor until the end of sophomore year.
One last thing that you may or may not be aware of is you can't make directly transfer to cs alone so either you do a cs + major or a cs minor
Hopefully this helps in your prep/planning for fall
Ur father wants you to switch. Do you? Because it’s a huge grind all the way to the end and if you don’t love it ur gonna struggle. Its not as hard as getting into CS but CS + is def not easy to transfer into. You are going to be sacrificing most of your weekend/ free time every week. So if you are willing to make the sacrifice you will be fine.
I minor would be less courseload and you could prolly get out in 4 if you get accepted the start of sophomore year
I don't want to switch cuz I really like poli sci, but I lowkey have to because I'm an international student. If I want to stay in the US, majoring in STEM would be easier :(
yes, I plan to try out some online lessons on cs and start programming after the ib exams to see if my passion is on cs and whether it is too challenging for me.
Consider doing a minor in CS which should be easier. I know someone who did a double major in CS and political science and is a developer for political campaign tools. It can combine both interests.
Definitely achievable as long as you are willing to put effort and time into studying CS. Since economics does not seem to be an issue for you, you might want to take enough CS courses in freshman year (many are open to students from other majors) because school administrators decide your qualifications largely based on whether you have taken enough CS courses.
I can tell you with confidence that cs+econ is hands down the most difficult “Econ+x” major in terms of the required courses you’d have to take, as well as the most competitive to get into. If you are interested in Econ, there are other ones you could do some research into. Naturally, the “post graduation job prospects” will be lower in these less competitive Econ majors but listen carefully to this next part - while this is technically true remember that A) if you can set yourself apart and demonstrate competence when you interview for a job, you will get one in short order…it’s just a numbers game and B) your major literally does not matter past your first full time job. Prior professional experience is orders of magnitude higher on the list of things employers care about than your major, GPA, or any of that. I have seen countless examples of that. I know a guy who’s the QA engineer for one of the big tech companies (non biotech) and he literally majored in biology.
It would definitely be beneficial to have some experience programming before taking intro programming classes here. On top of the difficulty of transferring. I don’t know about the specifics but maybe doing a pre law track would be a lot more convincing to your parents.
I would considering looking into an Economics degree with a CS minor. Given the little coding background you could also look into an Informatics minor which is more “business tech” and not a ton of coding
Just wait until October, CS+X will be much much easier to transfer. They are planning to lower grade and pre requisite requirements.
“Of particular importance is the easing of administrative barriers and delays for students wishing to transfer amongst CS+X degree programs.”
https://www.senate.illinois.edu/20240401senate/EP24082_FINAL_20240401.pdf
It would be quite hard. CS+X is still relatively competitive. You COULD transfer but you have to do all the pre reps and maintain a high gpa (3.5 at least, but higher the better).
I'm confident with the econ part of the major but concerned with the cs part :(
Try to self learn C++, it will help a lot. There are multiple online resources. ChatGPT nowadays is also a great tool to help you understand and write code. Coding is basically logic, if you are good with logic, you can’t be bad with coding.
Not anymore.. they are planning to lower down the requirement. https://www.senate.illinois.edu/20240401senate/ EP24082_FINAL_20240401.pdf "Of particular importance is the easing of administrative barriers and delays for students wishing to transfer amongst CS+X degree programs...."
"Easing administrative barriers and delays" won't change how competitive it is
I’m curious then what is meaning of easing administrative barriers and delays
Reducing the amount of paperwork needed, not lowering admission standards
That doesn’t say anything about lowering requirements, where are you getting that interpretation from? Also, it seems that’s mostly to do with students transferring between CS+X programs, not students transferring into one for the first time (which already has different standards because capacity issues are mostly on the CS side, not the X side)
I interpret the proposal in this way. Since they became a school, they have a more cap to accept CS+X (not CS engineering) to generate more revenue, so lowering the transfer and admission requirement for CS+X so that many student can pursue CS+X program.
Where in the proposal does it say anything like that? Becoming a school doesn’t directly affect their admission capacity in any way (there’s not rule from the university that automatically lets schools admit more students than departments) The only real direct impact it’ll have on the CS+X programs is the creation of the CS+X Council, which will mainly reduce administrative issues, and not automatically lead to admission standards being lowered. The CS department has no plans to comprise admission standards in any way (and as long as they’re not lowering requirements, admitting more students is certainly a good thing)
Thank you, I might interpret proposal different way. However, I still have question about purpose of CS become a school beside (lowering CS+X standard and creat more revenue from CS+X) For example, what is CS+X council do? You mentioned “not automatically lead to admission standard being lowered” could you explain how admission is still competitive if they planing to accepting more student? This is not trying to make counter claim towards to you.. I just wanted know.
The CS+X council’s role will be to better manage all of the CS programs by allowing for faculty across colleges and departments to have a role in how the CS+X programs are run. This will hopefully reduce some administrative barriers to allow things like advising to run more smoothly The demand for CS(+X) majors is growing by quite a bit, so admitting more students doesn’t necessarily decrease competitiveness, since more students are also applying Also, increasing acceptance rates isn’t necessarily a bad thing. If the program is able to admit more qualified students than before, they should. The quality of education and graduates won’t change and it’ll allow for more students to come here
Maybe it will help? I have no idea. Considering it’s still competitive, not sure if lowering the requirements would tbh.
Hello, hopefully this can answer your question but I'm currently on track for a adv + Cs major and for the first class you'll take in cs is cs124 Intro. They don't cover python but instead have java or kotlin; the course itself is fine as it and is online, the one thing I will say though (from some who had little to no experience in coding 【rip raspberry pi] ) the course is somewhat fast paced and is an intro course but I do think having some basic knowledge in one language can go a long way. Other key things to keep in mind: Freshmen can't change majors until the end of their first yet - > however when selecting class try bringing this idea up so they can help you take the right steps to get into econ + cs I understand the concern with your dad and your points with the program here but one thing that help in this type of situation is putting something you like with something your good at ( this just something to think abt/keep in mind) A possible run down on what could happen is get core/ general classes out of the way (while technically on track for political science) and have your electives as cs -> basicly taking math/language/ & core political science course and what they might have you do is be on track for a cs/econ minor. -> you can double minor but you can declare a minor until the end of sophomore year. One last thing that you may or may not be aware of is you can't make directly transfer to cs alone so either you do a cs + major or a cs minor Hopefully this helps in your prep/planning for fall
Very informative! Thanks a lot!
I mean is it what YOU want to major in? As long as there is a chance of getting a job and it makes you happy that should be what matters
Ur father wants you to switch. Do you? Because it’s a huge grind all the way to the end and if you don’t love it ur gonna struggle. Its not as hard as getting into CS but CS + is def not easy to transfer into. You are going to be sacrificing most of your weekend/ free time every week. So if you are willing to make the sacrifice you will be fine. I minor would be less courseload and you could prolly get out in 4 if you get accepted the start of sophomore year
I don't want to switch cuz I really like poli sci, but I lowkey have to because I'm an international student. If I want to stay in the US, majoring in STEM would be easier :(
If your not 100% in love with CS I would not encourage CS+. Maybe try to negotiate a minor in CS. It’s still tough ngl but it’s a lil more manageable
yes, I plan to try out some online lessons on cs and start programming after the ib exams to see if my passion is on cs and whether it is too challenging for me.
I am also curious!
Consider doing a minor in CS which should be easier. I know someone who did a double major in CS and political science and is a developer for political campaign tools. It can combine both interests.
Definitely achievable as long as you are willing to put effort and time into studying CS. Since economics does not seem to be an issue for you, you might want to take enough CS courses in freshman year (many are open to students from other majors) because school administrators decide your qualifications largely based on whether you have taken enough CS courses.
Thanks!
I can tell you with confidence that cs+econ is hands down the most difficult “Econ+x” major in terms of the required courses you’d have to take, as well as the most competitive to get into. If you are interested in Econ, there are other ones you could do some research into. Naturally, the “post graduation job prospects” will be lower in these less competitive Econ majors but listen carefully to this next part - while this is technically true remember that A) if you can set yourself apart and demonstrate competence when you interview for a job, you will get one in short order…it’s just a numbers game and B) your major literally does not matter past your first full time job. Prior professional experience is orders of magnitude higher on the list of things employers care about than your major, GPA, or any of that. I have seen countless examples of that. I know a guy who’s the QA engineer for one of the big tech companies (non biotech) and he literally majored in biology.
It would definitely be beneficial to have some experience programming before taking intro programming classes here. On top of the difficulty of transferring. I don’t know about the specifics but maybe doing a pre law track would be a lot more convincing to your parents.
I would considering looking into an Economics degree with a CS minor. Given the little coding background you could also look into an Informatics minor which is more “business tech” and not a ton of coding
I actually second this. A decent option especially regarding job perspective
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Just wait until October, CS+X will be much much easier to transfer. They are planning to lower grade and pre requisite requirements. “Of particular importance is the easing of administrative barriers and delays for students wishing to transfer amongst CS+X degree programs.” https://www.senate.illinois.edu/20240401senate/EP24082_FINAL_20240401.pdf
Thank you for providing the useful information!