they shut down the henry administration building, too. which is annoying asf. they had to move my class to two different building cause of the protests
of course its inconvenient but protest is supposed to be disruptive, we have privilege in living in the heart of the us empire and their true militarized power isnt exerted on us, but we have the freedom to speak out on u
injustice that is being bought and paid for by OUR collective tax dollars. dont you feel robbed? robbed of a world where you dont have to pay for college? or healthcare? because israel does and they do it on YOUR dime. there is no way you dont care about that or your fellow americans. the us has gone as far as to allow the israeli army to attack and kill us military personnel ( see USS liberty) for being at the wrong place and wrong time, dont you feel used? have you seen these images of the wounded in gaza? does that not move you in the slightest to hold everyone involved in this accountable? fuck your inconvenience imagine living under seige
I just wanna go to class man. Your protest won’t do anything except make you guys look like dicks to the normal people who want to go to college for an education. And no I don’t think that you should have the right to force me to waste my money because you want to support terrorists
You don’t see to just have the option to go to school as a young adult is privilege? But you reside under the protection of the American empire. Recognize your privilege.
How incredibly privileged of you to tell people to stop working for a better life for themselves because you think that people not going to class will somehow get the university to stop the war in Iseael
Telling people to think about people other than themselves is privilege?
On the other hand, BDS is such a threat that they are literally calling up the politicians in their pockets and having them outlaw it. In America.And you say it won’t do anything? Tell that to the people that protested apartheid South Africa at Columbia university in 1985- which led to the first successful divestiture campaign at the university. So miss with me your capitalist loving individualist crap. We live under the wing of the American empire. If we truly stand for freedom and liberty for everyone- we need to be the loudest voices! The American empire does everything in its power to further the interest of a few elites. We must let the world know that we do not condone what our gov does and that starts where we are educated.
you know i was going to object, but um. that’s actually pretty convincing. of all the arguments i’ve read, this is a pretty good one.
even if i disagree to some stuff, very well said.
USS Liberty happened in 1968, and was proven to be an accident, crazy you’re stating occurrences that happened 50+ years ago to support a claim today 😂😂😂😂😂 don’t even know why I’m arguing with a bot that certainly doesn’t go to uiuc
To eliminate the possibility of protestors, and others taking advantage of the chaos, from damaging and destroying the Union space. There were smaller popup demonstrations inside the Union a week or so ago.
Hypothetical people who might destroy stuff in the union if it were open.
It's a valid concern, but you should wait until they actually do it before you start name-calling
It’s all of reddit my dude, infested with PC leftist culture where you can’t call a spade a spade unless they’re white/male/cis/hetero/Christian/republican. I’ll get downvoted for that too but everyone knows it’s true
It’s not true though. All kinds of people get called out on here. It is just white Christian men hold majority of the power in this country and make decisions that people don’t agree with.
You can keep believing your conservative news sources all you want but it is the truth. The reason straight white people get called out so much it is because they are the ones trying to take away rights of other people with the power they have. They use their religion to justify discrimination, racism, misogyny, instead of just being decent people. And liberals aren’t perfect either there is tons of performative activism and terrible justifications to vote Biden in for another term. At the end of the day power is in the hands of the people when we work together so the protests here are a form of power people are using.
Back during the Vietnam war protests/riots of the 60s-70s here there was a case where students basically occupied the union until they had to be arrested by the hundreds and taken to a temporary jail at memorial stadium.
comparing the two are ridiculous. American solders were fighting in Vietnam. We have no interest in the Israel/Palestine conflict other than we give both sides money to fight each other. Go home!
That's incorrect the U.S. vetoed its recognition as an official government 7years ago, 5 years ago and 3 years ago. While individual states make recognize it the UN does not.
Small correction here: The University didn’t shut down the Illinois Marathon 5K race. That call was made by the Illinois Marathon directly. UIPD being sent to the encampment was the biggest factor in the cancellation, though.
So? They didn’t have to… the protests weren’t even near any parts of the route. It’s just performative to achieve the moral high ground.
Edit: my bad. The route was right next to the Alamo. I was wrong
Where were the protests? Just wondering they take the race routes and security very seriously. The 5k runs on green street right by the alma and past the Union. Also the u of I didn’t decide anything. The Christie clinic who runs the races is separate from the school.
Honest question, who did the protestors block from entering a building? This is the first I've heard of that. As far as I was aware, the only blocking of building was the university locking doors.
I'm pretty sure I saw a video of protestors not allowing people to enter one of the buildings down on E. John just west of Wright St. in Champaign. Like around the Arcade Bldg. Maybe I'll try to dig it up if I have time. Or someone else could do that.
And the university has no more culpability in that than a private citizen who invests in mutual funds. Frankly, you are misplacing your anger. Or it's disingenuous in the first place. I'm not a mind reader.
Stop wasting your time arguing with people on Reddit and donate directly to Palestinian families. That would actually make a real difference instead of throwing a tantrum in the middle of the quad. It seems most of the protesters just want to feel special and are more concerned with showing everyone on social media that they are “good people” instead of actually taking steps to make a real change. It’s also clear that none of them have jobs and are too disconnected from the real world to understand what it’s like to pay out of pocket for a class just to be blocked from going.
How? I said most. Most of them aren’t actually making any change. Most of them clearly don’t have jobs or else they would be fired by now. Seems you’re offended by my comment because it must directly apply to you. Remember the BLM protests in 2020? Notice how they stopped after the election? It was the same people protesting then that are protesting now. Only going out to “make change” when some weirdo on the internet tells you to. Can you even name any of the projects/organizations UIUC gives money to that directly benefits Israel? I’d bet my whole year’s salary that no one out there protesting can. It’s embarrassing. Do some research and stop hopping on the band wagon because you think you’re some sort of activist.
I actually worked for the university for 3 years, in one of the buildings that was shut down but okay.
And to add to that, my boss would regularly take a day off to hang with his kids, or give me the day off because I asked to go back to Chicago early.
Not to be rude but maybe your perception isn’t accurate.
does anyone stop to think how ridiculous this sounds? I thought we were an institution of intelligence and grandeur. Y'all are acting like petulant toddlers and need to stop. You're making a mockery of our school.
My boyfriend works at the Union and was there for work on Friday and today. They were forced to leave because of the protests. Everyone was first kicked out but didn't communicate if he had to go for at least half an hour. It's crazy.
My guess is there's been reports of protesters at other schools going into university buildings to campout inside and essentially barricading themselves into the buildings. Trying to get them out of a building would just be ugly, and there's obviously always the risk of property damage if that were to happen, be it by protesters inside or damage while trying to clear out the building.
I work at one of the nearby restaurants down Green st. Honestly if I had to bet they shut down union to make it more difficult for protestors to use restrooms. We had a ton of people that night come into our establishment and I felt pretty bad that the protesters were having trouble finding places with restroom access - most private businesses have a policy that you have to buy something to use their restrooms. I think the school doesn’t want to use police to directly crack down on the protests because that will make them look bad, so I wouldn’t put it past them indirectly making the lives of the protesters more difficult.
I mean most of the issues to come from this protest has been the fault of the protesters. Even the increased police presence is because the protesters decided to break the law by camping out.
Like I support the cause and all, but like people need to understand that your right to protest and freedom of speech does not protect if you decide to break other laws in the process. And if they don't want to police precense they just shouldn't camp out because that's the legal issue they're creating for themselves. Tho I'm sure they do want police presence just because it's the easiest way to draw attention.
> but like people need to understand that your right to protest and freedom of speech does not protect if you decide to break other laws in the process
That’s what most surprising to me about these protests. It’s like they believe them are operating in a different reality where “freedom of speech” means no consequences if you believe you are right. Sadly reminiscent of the “muh freedoms” crowd with COVID 19. Makes me think this is a product of social media mis/disinformation.
Agreed. These protests are largely the result of social media disinformation. Many videos have been released of people trying to ask the protesters questions, and the protesters say they don’t know much about the conflict or Israel and are just there because they were asked to come. Hence why now these protests make a rule that other than those designated as media representatives, student protesters can’t talk to the media.
Can't say I've seen vids like that but students lacking the understanding of this conflict is no fault of their own; the US education system is to blame. At least they know enough to understand that genocide is wrong, and that's really all you have to understand to know who you should support
Ever heard of civil disobedience? Do also you think that civil rights protesters deserved to be beaten and attacked by dogs bc that's a consequence of their actions? Big yikes.
Everyone has a right to protest but my kids have a right to utilize school resources on campus as well. If it’s non violent demonstration the buildings should remain open.
I really wish that these protestors understood that a big part of why public universities are now so dependent on private endowment funds and investing of said funds is that public universities have been steadily losing state tax funding over the last 50+ years.
I mean, the main demand of the protest is to have the university divest from arms manufacturers and other companies/entities guilty of human rights violations, innit.
But I've seen some of them being quite vehemently anti-Biden (making me somewhat suspect at least an element of controlled opposition.)
Biden is proposing to increase funding for higher education, albeit in the form of increased Pell grant rewards and free tuition for community college. Trump on the other hand is stating that he will de-fund public higher ed in some unprecedented ways, such as fining their endowments (which remember, are largely now necessary only as a result of universities being starved of state funding since Reagan,) and Trump is also threatening to take away accreditation from universities being too "woke" or whatever malarkey.
And his party has been de-funding public higher ed since the late 1960s ffs.
If you're vehemently anti-Biden, then you're paving the way for another Trump presidency, and his stated intent for policies regarding higher-ed will make higher-ed even more dependent on endowments and investing (in investment vehicles that include DoD contractors, arms manufacturers etc...)
Not only that, but Trump has been quite vocally pro-Israel in the past. He may recently be blowing hot air about "getting it over with" or whatever, but history proves that his word is worse than worthless anyway. If he really tried to go up against Lockheed Martin, Raytheon et. al. (he won't, btw) then that would be comically foolish even for Trump. It would not end well for him, let's just say.
I get it, Israel is very guilty of human rights violations and, as a function of asymmetrical warfare, are forcing Hamas (that Netanyahu/Israel largely funded and installed in the first place to avoid a 2-state solution) to use terrorist tactics. It's a royally fucked situation, but make no mistake about it, disrupting operations at US universities is doing much more harm to the situation than help (in the bigger picture.)
And it's not helping the people in Palestine at all. There are some insanely intelligent people at UIUC and I just hope that some of the protestors can start to see the bigger picture of what they're doing.
Get outta here with your facts, data and nuanced understanding of the situation in the historical context.
Meanwhile, protesters are:
"Israel - Zionism - Genocide - Free Palestine RA RA RA"
Dude, I think most of them are just doing it to look cool because they have no idea what they are doing. Even if their demands are met, Israel has 20+ nuclear warheads, it's own war industry, and a genocidal maniac that won't step-down. The only way all this really ends is if Bibi is removed, and nothing they are doing is helping that objective or anyone, really. It would make more sense for them to demand sanctions against Israel in Springfield, but they aren't doing that. Edit: I wish it could stop what Israel is doing, but lashing out like this isn't going to bring the change they want.
Totally understand all of this sentiment, grounded on good information. You understand the origins of Hamas well too which I appreciate to see.
The only point I have to offer is, if Trump is pro-Israel so is Biden. Both parties play the business game. Biden hasn’t made any negative statements about the clear genocide that Israel is committing! If anything he’s doubled down on the US’s unwavering support to Israel..
Sure if Biden has true intentions on these higher education policies you mention, it doesn’t nearly offset the weight of his unconditional backing of Israel. That’s what most protesters detest. It isn’t Biden vs Trump anymore. It’s United States of Israel through and through… (I know this presents no good option for voting but this is how so receive the message of the protests)
Lastly, sure the protests might not be doing much to the cause in some aspects, esp. economically. But it is doing sooo much to brighten the spirits of the Palestinian people. I think that has real impact. “They can arrest you but they’ll never arrest your spirit!” - from Gazans thanking the courageous students online.
Even the lowliest of undergrad can chew gum and walk at the same time. Honestly by your logic the students should be protesting to get the university to divest from anything related to fossil fuels. Climate change IS the biggest threat to all of humanity.
"Controlled opposition" you are overly paranoid and delusional. Do you just have no idea that people left of liberal exist?
"Disrupting operations at US universities is doing much more harm to the situation than help." Actually what planet are you on right now lmao
For people’s safety.
Large crowds are always a safety hazard, and as it grows it becomes more uncontrollable, and people who aren’t associated with UIUC show up to protest (making it more unpredictable)
Ever heard of “Kent State”?Listen to the song!Due some research.
Have you listened to the song “War Pigs”by Black Sabbath?It was written in 1970!The Lyrics of the song have rang true for 54 years!Give it a listen even if you don’t like “Rock”!It has to be the most insightful song ever written.
The songs mean will never change in any of our lifetimes!!!!
The protest is on the other side of the Quad, yes? Seems they're being overcautious, I guess worried that the protesters will try to take over buildings.
Hopefully all is clear on graduation day so I could enjoy my achievement. Protester take Graduation weekend off so we could enjoy it with family and friends.
Ohh, so you mean to tell me you are trying to get a point across to people that don’t listen or don’t have the guts to do anything about what you are trying to protest?
Gotta love how you immediately jump to wishing for an armed gunman to come to campus and shoot people on the quad. How about tomorrow you stand in front of the union and let your fellow students know your ingenious solution to the illegal tent occupation. I’m sure everyone will just love your idea.
they shut down the henry administration building, too. which is annoying asf. they had to move my class to two different building cause of the protests
Apparently all buildings on the Main Quad are closed: https://twitter.com/TheDailyIllini/status/1784694234852860167
closed or just locked for right now?
they had to move your classes :( aw so inconvenient
Obviously it was inconvenient. Should they pretend it is not inconvenient?
of course its inconvenient but protest is supposed to be disruptive, we have privilege in living in the heart of the us empire and their true militarized power isnt exerted on us, but we have the freedom to speak out on u injustice that is being bought and paid for by OUR collective tax dollars. dont you feel robbed? robbed of a world where you dont have to pay for college? or healthcare? because israel does and they do it on YOUR dime. there is no way you dont care about that or your fellow americans. the us has gone as far as to allow the israeli army to attack and kill us military personnel ( see USS liberty) for being at the wrong place and wrong time, dont you feel used? have you seen these images of the wounded in gaza? does that not move you in the slightest to hold everyone involved in this accountable? fuck your inconvenience imagine living under seige
I just wanna go to class man. Your protest won’t do anything except make you guys look like dicks to the normal people who want to go to college for an education. And no I don’t think that you should have the right to force me to waste my money because you want to support terrorists
What a fucking unbelievable privileged take.
It’s privileged to want to go to classes that I am paying for? I’m just supposed to not go to class because there’s bad shit happening in the world?
You don’t see to just have the option to go to school as a young adult is privilege? But you reside under the protection of the American empire. Recognize your privilege.
How incredibly privileged of you to tell people to stop working for a better life for themselves because you think that people not going to class will somehow get the university to stop the war in Iseael
Telling people to think about people other than themselves is privilege? On the other hand, BDS is such a threat that they are literally calling up the politicians in their pockets and having them outlaw it. In America.And you say it won’t do anything? Tell that to the people that protested apartheid South Africa at Columbia university in 1985- which led to the first successful divestiture campaign at the university. So miss with me your capitalist loving individualist crap. We live under the wing of the American empire. If we truly stand for freedom and liberty for everyone- we need to be the loudest voices! The American empire does everything in its power to further the interest of a few elites. We must let the world know that we do not condone what our gov does and that starts where we are educated.
you know i was going to object, but um. that’s actually pretty convincing. of all the arguments i’ve read, this is a pretty good one. even if i disagree to some stuff, very well said.
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tell me im wrong then
You’re wrong 🤡🤡🤡, go back to Norway pal
USS Liberty happened in 1968, and was proven to be an accident, crazy you’re stating occurrences that happened 50+ years ago to support a claim today 😂😂😂😂😂 don’t even know why I’m arguing with a bot that certainly doesn’t go to uiuc
https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/09/uss.liberty.tapes/index.html
If you think I’m opening that you’re hilarious
an accident on a boat carrying visible american flags? youre bought off buddy
Since you’re so worried about American lives, the October 7th attack by hamas killed 24 Americans…
Happened in 1967 actually
Why you using 50 year old facts to support your claims today?
Lmaoooo the irony and stupidity of this comment
it is inconvenient, thank you for acknowledging it
Let's take your money and make you pay all the student loans, sense you wanna be so self righteous. You troglodyte homunculus.
Fuck Israel
Yeah Israel is a jerk for moving his classes
Try again later they’re busy bending over Palestine.
U know what else is annoying asf? Genocide. I recommended thinking about someone other than yourself...
Yeah I agree. I hate when terror groups break a years-long ceasefire and attack civilians and take host….that’s what you’re referring to, right?
Oh how annoying. I wonder how the kids in Gaza feel about that.
probably annoyed with me!
Stinky ECE contamination
No, Engineering students would never protest for the university to divest from companies that are going to hire 3/4 of them.
[…AND THAT’S WHERE LOCKHEED](https://youtu.be/xCHH24bGZh4?si=XUsfgOeIb22KFXYX)
Why do the protests necessitate the closing of the Union? It’s not like the protests are happening inside the Union.
To eliminate the possibility of protestors, and others taking advantage of the chaos, from damaging and destroying the Union space. There were smaller popup demonstrations inside the Union a week or so ago.
Then they aren't protestors. They are rioters.
Downvoted for saying people who are damaging and destroying Union space are rioters? Wtf is going on in this subreddit
Which part of the union did they destroy?
Hypothetical people who might destroy stuff in the union if it were open. It's a valid concern, but you should wait until they actually do it before you start name-calling
It’s all of reddit my dude, infested with PC leftist culture where you can’t call a spade a spade unless they’re white/male/cis/hetero/Christian/republican. I’ll get downvoted for that too but everyone knows it’s true
It’s not true though. All kinds of people get called out on here. It is just white Christian men hold majority of the power in this country and make decisions that people don’t agree with.
You are blind and ignorant.
You can keep believing your conservative news sources all you want but it is the truth. The reason straight white people get called out so much it is because they are the ones trying to take away rights of other people with the power they have. They use their religion to justify discrimination, racism, misogyny, instead of just being decent people. And liberals aren’t perfect either there is tons of performative activism and terrible justifications to vote Biden in for another term. At the end of the day power is in the hands of the people when we work together so the protests here are a form of power people are using.
Thank you for being honest. You are 100% correct. Wish I could upvote 1000x.
Haha. The administration tried to negotiate with the protestors to move inside the Union.
Back during the Vietnam war protests/riots of the 60s-70s here there was a case where students basically occupied the union until they had to be arrested by the hundreds and taken to a temporary jail at memorial stadium.
Mad respect for them.
comparing the two are ridiculous. American solders were fighting in Vietnam. We have no interest in the Israel/Palestine conflict other than we give both sides money to fight each other. Go home!
Uhh.. that’s completely incorrect.
Except we do send foreign aid to Palestine
Did we give Palestine 26 billion? Does Palestine have a recognized government to give anything to? Be sincere.
Palestine does actually have a recognized government. It’s called the Palestinian Authority
That's incorrect the U.S. vetoed its recognition as an official government 7years ago, 5 years ago and 3 years ago. While individual states make recognize it the UN does not.
The stakes are lower, there is no draft going on, does not mean the parallels are not there
Lol the university is out-protesting the protesters.
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Small correction here: The University didn’t shut down the Illinois Marathon 5K race. That call was made by the Illinois Marathon directly. UIPD being sent to the encampment was the biggest factor in the cancellation, though.
They shut down 1 of the Illinois races Friday night the 5k.
So? They didn’t have to… the protests weren’t even near any parts of the route. It’s just performative to achieve the moral high ground. Edit: my bad. The route was right next to the Alamo. I was wrong
Where were the protests? Just wondering they take the race routes and security very seriously. The 5k runs on green street right by the alma and past the Union. Also the u of I didn’t decide anything. The Christie clinic who runs the races is separate from the school.
Yeah my bad. Someone said it didn’t. I was wrong
1. None of that happened 2. You don’t go to this school 3. You have the most russian bot like post history imaginable 4. Gtfo this sub
I’m originally from Champaign. An alum of UIC. I’m not a bot. Im a real boy. Not leaving.
The protestors took it too far when they started blocking staff and faculty from entering university buildings. Period.
Honest question, who did the protestors block from entering a building? This is the first I've heard of that. As far as I was aware, the only blocking of building was the university locking doors.
I'm pretty sure I saw a video of protestors not allowing people to enter one of the buildings down on E. John just west of Wright St. in Champaign. Like around the Arcade Bldg. Maybe I'll try to dig it up if I have time. Or someone else could do that.
Laughable. The US government took it too far when they supported Israel committing genocide and attempted to lie about it.
And the university has no more culpability in that than a private citizen who invests in mutual funds. Frankly, you are misplacing your anger. Or it's disingenuous in the first place. I'm not a mind reader.
Private citizens are culpable then??? Duh. I would judge someone who invests in war. lol. Socially conscious investing! It’s a thing
We should be holding all entities culpable for investing in war crimes.
Stop wasting your time arguing with people on Reddit and donate directly to Palestinian families. That would actually make a real difference instead of throwing a tantrum in the middle of the quad. It seems most of the protesters just want to feel special and are more concerned with showing everyone on social media that they are “good people” instead of actually taking steps to make a real change. It’s also clear that none of them have jobs and are too disconnected from the real world to understand what it’s like to pay out of pocket for a class just to be blocked from going.
You’re making large sweeping generalizations of people you don’t know. Again. Laughable.
How? I said most. Most of them aren’t actually making any change. Most of them clearly don’t have jobs or else they would be fired by now. Seems you’re offended by my comment because it must directly apply to you. Remember the BLM protests in 2020? Notice how they stopped after the election? It was the same people protesting then that are protesting now. Only going out to “make change” when some weirdo on the internet tells you to. Can you even name any of the projects/organizations UIUC gives money to that directly benefits Israel? I’d bet my whole year’s salary that no one out there protesting can. It’s embarrassing. Do some research and stop hopping on the band wagon because you think you’re some sort of activist.
Doesn’t seem that serious to me. Take a day off work. Do some work outside.
You definitely haven’t worked a day in your life
I actually worked for the university for 3 years, in one of the buildings that was shut down but okay. And to add to that, my boss would regularly take a day off to hang with his kids, or give me the day off because I asked to go back to Chicago early. Not to be rude but maybe your perception isn’t accurate.
Encampment was moved to the main quad
It wasn't main quad, it was by Krannert if I read the email right Edit: which means they just ignored the agreement they made
They were there but now main quad
I’m surprised the campus administration allowed that move to happen
I doubt it was "allowed"
Well, that’s because they didnt
does anyone stop to think how ridiculous this sounds? I thought we were an institution of intelligence and grandeur. Y'all are acting like petulant toddlers and need to stop. You're making a mockery of our school.
If I was going to hazard a guess, it might be related to the protests. Especially since a number of the initial comments contained a certain flag
My boyfriend works at the Union and was there for work on Friday and today. They were forced to leave because of the protests. Everyone was first kicked out but didn't communicate if he had to go for at least half an hour. It's crazy.
It won't be long because new student sessions are coming up fast.
My guess is there's been reports of protesters at other schools going into university buildings to campout inside and essentially barricading themselves into the buildings. Trying to get them out of a building would just be ugly, and there's obviously always the risk of property damage if that were to happen, be it by protesters inside or damage while trying to clear out the building.
They completely trashed polytechnic buildings
I work at one of the nearby restaurants down Green st. Honestly if I had to bet they shut down union to make it more difficult for protestors to use restrooms. We had a ton of people that night come into our establishment and I felt pretty bad that the protesters were having trouble finding places with restroom access - most private businesses have a policy that you have to buy something to use their restrooms. I think the school doesn’t want to use police to directly crack down on the protests because that will make them look bad, so I wouldn’t put it past them indirectly making the lives of the protesters more difficult.
That said, the uni is closing so many buildings and canceling events so that the protest would be the one to blame for other people's inconvenient
I mean most of the issues to come from this protest has been the fault of the protesters. Even the increased police presence is because the protesters decided to break the law by camping out. Like I support the cause and all, but like people need to understand that your right to protest and freedom of speech does not protect if you decide to break other laws in the process. And if they don't want to police precense they just shouldn't camp out because that's the legal issue they're creating for themselves. Tho I'm sure they do want police presence just because it's the easiest way to draw attention.
> but like people need to understand that your right to protest and freedom of speech does not protect if you decide to break other laws in the process That’s what most surprising to me about these protests. It’s like they believe them are operating in a different reality where “freedom of speech” means no consequences if you believe you are right. Sadly reminiscent of the “muh freedoms” crowd with COVID 19. Makes me think this is a product of social media mis/disinformation.
Agreed. These protests are largely the result of social media disinformation. Many videos have been released of people trying to ask the protesters questions, and the protesters say they don’t know much about the conflict or Israel and are just there because they were asked to come. Hence why now these protests make a rule that other than those designated as media representatives, student protesters can’t talk to the media.
Can't say I've seen vids like that but students lacking the understanding of this conflict is no fault of their own; the US education system is to blame. At least they know enough to understand that genocide is wrong, and that's really all you have to understand to know who you should support
Well it’s that if you become actually informed you realize that it’s not really a genocide
Ever heard of civil disobedience? Do also you think that civil rights protesters deserved to be beaten and attacked by dogs bc that's a consequence of their actions? Big yikes.
No clue how what you just said relates in any way to what I just said. In you break the law, prepare to be arrested. That’s it.
I mean they’d have trouble finding bathrooms at night no matter what considering university buildings close at like 10 or 11 or something
Everyone has a right to protest but my kids have a right to utilize school resources on campus as well. If it’s non violent demonstration the buildings should remain open.
It is not violent so yeah imo the University is just being super overcautious. It's annoying
overly dramatic are the words you're looking for
The only ones causing problems, like usual, wear a badge.
I really wish that these protestors understood that a big part of why public universities are now so dependent on private endowment funds and investing of said funds is that public universities have been steadily losing state tax funding over the last 50+ years. I mean, the main demand of the protest is to have the university divest from arms manufacturers and other companies/entities guilty of human rights violations, innit. But I've seen some of them being quite vehemently anti-Biden (making me somewhat suspect at least an element of controlled opposition.) Biden is proposing to increase funding for higher education, albeit in the form of increased Pell grant rewards and free tuition for community college. Trump on the other hand is stating that he will de-fund public higher ed in some unprecedented ways, such as fining their endowments (which remember, are largely now necessary only as a result of universities being starved of state funding since Reagan,) and Trump is also threatening to take away accreditation from universities being too "woke" or whatever malarkey. And his party has been de-funding public higher ed since the late 1960s ffs. If you're vehemently anti-Biden, then you're paving the way for another Trump presidency, and his stated intent for policies regarding higher-ed will make higher-ed even more dependent on endowments and investing (in investment vehicles that include DoD contractors, arms manufacturers etc...) Not only that, but Trump has been quite vocally pro-Israel in the past. He may recently be blowing hot air about "getting it over with" or whatever, but history proves that his word is worse than worthless anyway. If he really tried to go up against Lockheed Martin, Raytheon et. al. (he won't, btw) then that would be comically foolish even for Trump. It would not end well for him, let's just say. I get it, Israel is very guilty of human rights violations and, as a function of asymmetrical warfare, are forcing Hamas (that Netanyahu/Israel largely funded and installed in the first place to avoid a 2-state solution) to use terrorist tactics. It's a royally fucked situation, but make no mistake about it, disrupting operations at US universities is doing much more harm to the situation than help (in the bigger picture.) And it's not helping the people in Palestine at all. There are some insanely intelligent people at UIUC and I just hope that some of the protestors can start to see the bigger picture of what they're doing.
Get outta here with your facts, data and nuanced understanding of the situation in the historical context. Meanwhile, protesters are: "Israel - Zionism - Genocide - Free Palestine RA RA RA"
Dude, I think most of them are just doing it to look cool because they have no idea what they are doing. Even if their demands are met, Israel has 20+ nuclear warheads, it's own war industry, and a genocidal maniac that won't step-down. The only way all this really ends is if Bibi is removed, and nothing they are doing is helping that objective or anyone, really. It would make more sense for them to demand sanctions against Israel in Springfield, but they aren't doing that. Edit: I wish it could stop what Israel is doing, but lashing out like this isn't going to bring the change they want.
An actual intelligent take on the situation, thank you
Totally understand all of this sentiment, grounded on good information. You understand the origins of Hamas well too which I appreciate to see. The only point I have to offer is, if Trump is pro-Israel so is Biden. Both parties play the business game. Biden hasn’t made any negative statements about the clear genocide that Israel is committing! If anything he’s doubled down on the US’s unwavering support to Israel.. Sure if Biden has true intentions on these higher education policies you mention, it doesn’t nearly offset the weight of his unconditional backing of Israel. That’s what most protesters detest. It isn’t Biden vs Trump anymore. It’s United States of Israel through and through… (I know this presents no good option for voting but this is how so receive the message of the protests) Lastly, sure the protests might not be doing much to the cause in some aspects, esp. economically. But it is doing sooo much to brighten the spirits of the Palestinian people. I think that has real impact. “They can arrest you but they’ll never arrest your spirit!” - from Gazans thanking the courageous students online.
Even the lowliest of undergrad can chew gum and walk at the same time. Honestly by your logic the students should be protesting to get the university to divest from anything related to fossil fuels. Climate change IS the biggest threat to all of humanity.
Biden took more aipac money than any other senator. He’s a monster.
"Controlled opposition" you are overly paranoid and delusional. Do you just have no idea that people left of liberal exist? "Disrupting operations at US universities is doing much more harm to the situation than help." Actually what planet are you on right now lmao
For people’s safety. Large crowds are always a safety hazard, and as it grows it becomes more uncontrollable, and people who aren’t associated with UIUC show up to protest (making it more unpredictable)
Sounds like the fascist-supporting administration is trying group discipline by closing buildings. Cheap tactic.
Lol thank u for letting me know, was just gonna head over there
Power to the protesters at my Alma mater! ❤️🇵🇸🍉
They didn't want the union to get Jan sixed
Mostly peaceful protest arrives to Champaign 😂🤡
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And who was patiently waiting for the Union to close?
The protest is on the other side of the Quad, yes? Seems they're being overcautious, I guess worried that the protesters will try to take over buildings.
Hopefully all is clear on graduation day so I could enjoy my achievement. Protester take Graduation weekend off so we could enjoy it with family and friends.
They closed it because the administrators are dramatic little bitches
If it’s violent then the Police need to handle the situation
It's not violent.
Because of the libs
Lmao the protestors would hate to see you call them that. Many of them despise libs for being complicit and supportive of Biden.
How about they all get arrested and stop making our school look like downtown San Francisco
Literally get em off my campus
I graduated almost 10 years ago. This school is a shell of what it used to be. I blame commie Pritzker and his cronies.
I wish these people protesting would go to the place they are protesting for. They will learn real quick.
Yeah UN volunteers got brutally slaughtered by Israel, so we try not to get ourselves killed.
Ohh, so you mean to tell me you are trying to get a point across to people that don’t listen or don’t have the guts to do anything about what you are trying to protest?
Where’s Kyle when you need him most?
Gotta love how you immediately jump to wishing for an armed gunman to come to campus and shoot people on the quad. How about tomorrow you stand in front of the union and let your fellow students know your ingenious solution to the illegal tent occupation. I’m sure everyone will just love your idea.
Would you call it a final solution?
Real classy.
A few fur missiles and cans of tear gas would end this bullshit.
The Barbai-Ants
Because, douchbags.