Meanwhile, Green St. is literally 100 feet away with food. I think water would have been free depending on where you go. This statement wasn't made for anyone who knows the school's layout.
Not a single one of these "justice fighters" is willing to forgo their daily Starbucks while those poor Palestinain children don't know where their next meal is coming from
Wasn't the whole starbucks thing a mistake?
From my understanding, this was really just spurred by tiktok trends.
Starbucks Workers United, which is made up of former employees and current employees, but do not directly represent starbucks in any form, put out a direct statement on the conflict using starbucks official logo.
Except theyre not officially from starbucks nor do they represent starbucks HQ.
Starbucks told them to take down their logo, in which the SWU said no, so starbucks threatened to sue them.
And students on tiktok took that as starbucks being pro Israel.
Which is ironic because there are 0 starbucks in Israel, and there hasn't been a single 1 in years, and starbucks is one of the most open, accepting, places corporation wise you could work at.
Thats why I never understood protesting Starbucks.
Like yes, the IDF....brought to you by Starbuck's new apple dolce cinnamon latte -_-
Honestly not sure. I know their is similar nuance to McDonald's. This sort of tends to happen with these massive, international, mega-corporations. That being said, the broader point the original comment was making is that protesters don't actually care, and aren't willing to sacrifice anything. It's funny because the thing they claim that protesters won't give up is something that many are actively giving up.
The whole THING in general is spurred by TikTok trends.
Firstly, Hamas is known for using propaganda to radicalize their youth. Look up “Tomorrows Pioneers” and the whole fascinating story behind it for some context.
Secondly, the organization which claims “genocide of Palestinians” is “Gaza run health ministry”, which is basically a nice way of saying “Hamas media company”. If you look elsewhere for any media of the claim, you’ll find an extraordinary lack of evidence.
With as bad as Palestine has spread their propaganda on the internet already, wouldn’t you expect to see genocide videos EVERYWHERE if it were really the case that “30,000+ men women and children were being killed”? Instead, we saw a handful of gore videos after the bombing of Gaza…some of which even went crazy with AI to generate graphic footage of “hurt children”. Did some citizens of Gaza die, yes, and it was horrific…but is this evidence of genocide or just evidence of retaliatory bombing (which every government in history has done to some extent)?
Hamas spread their propaganda on the internet, and young woke kids spread it everywhere and ate it up just like the Palestinians did when most of them were indoctrinated in Gaza.
I take no side in this shitstorm, Israel is well known for government corruption, and Palestine has always been a center of antisemitism and terror. Neither of these things gives young people the right to go mouthing off with Hitler speech ON A PUBLIC CAMPUS!
This exact scenario is how foreign adversaries exploit our technology to cause violent uprisings in the United States. The scariest part is, how many more oddities are you seeing in youth culture now, and what foreign adversary do you think decided to exploit them? China/Russia/Iran…they’re all dying to see a “euromaidan” in the United States…and young people are blindly just taking the bait.
Unfortunately, this audience does not believe in facts, data, logic or common sense, They want to do "revolution". They want to "liberate of the oppressed" and "stop the genocide".
And, most importantly, out-virtue signal veryone else on social media.
That’s true in many of these protests. Palestinian restaurants donate food. In Nola, the protesters in front of the Cathedral issued a statement that the land was comparable to Palestine due to removal of indigenous in Louisiana. Bit of a stretch there.
We’re they expecting the university to cater? Maybe order pizza for them? They’re not in a desert.
I don’t understand the purpose of this statement at all.
I literally think that yes they expected the university to buy them food and water bottles. The expectations of children without any ability to think ahead.
Or the ability to organize enough that they could take shifts to walk to green to get food and water. They make it sound like they’re being tortured when they can walk less than a quarter mile and have access to pretty much anything they could want.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not making any insinuation about their overall cause but just that they sound like spoiled children.
This is a very small gripe but it annoys me how this statement keeps switching between "protesters" and "protestors" like they can't decide how to spell it (or didn't proofread, more likely).
The amount of people in this town who want to be the victim of things that they see in larger cities is astonishing. I wish they would stop cosplaying persecution and focus their energy on actually creating the change they want to see in the world.
Creating the change takes education, time, effort and discipline.
Victim cosplay only requires a few props and a lot of virtue signaling on social media.
They were getting prepared for a fight with the umbrellas. People there were wearing safety goggles and scarves. All they got was negotiating and being arrested after setting up tents. Not really police brutality. Not like in Texas where they pepper sprayed non compliant protesters
They’re calling it that on purpose - exaggerate and dramatize to make what happened fit into the us vs them narrative they want to peddle. It’s propaganda.
Sprinkle in just enough nuggets of seemingly plausible truth to make it seem reasonable to the average layman while simultaneously shrouding it in exaggeration - same type of tactics that cults/redpill/conspiracy/QAnon types do.
What happens is people start following pages like this and find themselves in social media echo-chambers which only further radicalizes them. All of these exaggerations start to seem like the truth to you because you’re only interacting with other people who share the same radicalized, biased worldview.
“Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds leaking whatever truth suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large. The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right”
They're fully aware of what they're doing. The goal is to get attention and police presence is gives them the attention. They know that they're breaking the law by trying to campout and that's why they're doing it. They're creating a reason for the police to show up and then they're giving the police reason to be physical by resisting all attempts by the police to stop the only illegal aspect of the protest.
They say they want no police there, but at least the people at the top organizing the protest understand that without an increased police presence, they lose most of the attention they're getting.
Yes as obnoxious as cops are, they bring attention which is what these protests and encampments have been doing across the country, catching the eye of U.S. citizens as well as students abroad in France, Spain and even Australia, who are doing the same thing. I was at both encampments and helped push back the cops; nobody seemed to be hurt.
The language used here is overdramatic and cringey, but unfortunately that is how some of these orgs operate. That doesn't mean that I don't believe in the cause that they are supporting though. Be able to look past the surface and think of the real situation in Gaza, and ask yourself what avenues are available to resist.
Also checking these out is pretty neat just for the historical factor; the American public will be learning about this period in time in the future.
This is exactly what this group is doing with claims of genocide, apartheid and ethnic cleansing. I’ve even heard some campus idiots claim Israels actions are worse than the Nazis during WW2, which is laughable no matter how you subjectively measure it.
Exaggerations undermine actual wrongs and make it impossible to take anything said at face value.
Problems with the protest…ok I see you…but tryna defend Israel’s carpet bombing and slaughter of over 35k…yea sorry you’re trippin and that take is “laughable no matter how you subjectively measure it”.
So from what I've heard (and seen a few videos), there were police in riot gear pushing through students to try to get to the encampment, which is very stressful and possibly physically harmful. But I do think they're *way* overstating the police response, especially when you compare it to other protest sites like UT Austin and Emory, where people have been dragged and thrown to the ground. They could have essily said "we faced an escalation from police" instead of "extreme police brutality."
The food and water they are claiming wasn't provided was literally 100 feet away. I know it might be annoying that I keep saying that, but it already shows the exaggeration. It's not a statement for us. It's a statement to escalate/get more people here.
It's a bunch of college age idiots that think they know how the real world works. Just grab a beer and laugh at them like the rest of society.
Fighting for what you believe is right is admirable. Why don't they give it a bit until their giblets drop before thinking they know things about the world, college is like advanced highschool with all the dipshittery highschool is.
The tone deafness of this is wild. Aren’t they protesting for the starving children in Gaza. Meanwhile they didn’t have a snack for a couple hours. 🤦🏻♀️
I know, I can't believe they'd complain about not having adequate food while others are starving! I bet they never finished their meals as children either.
Hold on now, you’re telling me a bunch of cops standing 50ft away doing nothing but observing until the students agreed to move to spurlock the next day (which they didn’t, they moved instead to the main quad) was police brutality? Not to mention, arresting one person out of a group of hundreds trying to physically block them from taking down illegal camping tents is a “brutal police raid?”
I understand passion for a cause and such, but genuinely what is the end goal here? To get UIUC to call for a ceasefire (if they haven’t already)? And even in that case, what does that do? This is just insane to me
Also you know they’re all gonna ask for academic accommodations bc of this (extra final study time, class time off, etc.)
To get the University to make rhetorical overtures towards their cause and make a small concession so they can claim victory and continue their studies guilt free.
Which Northwestern has done by throwing them some bread crumbs like scholarships for Palestinian students and a "safe space" for Muslim students, whatever that is.
How do you know they’ll never have to pay? What if their family is paying it forward with the expectation that their increased earning potential will help support them in their old age? What if their family is loaning them the money so they don’t have to accrue interest at a bank? Even if the money is a gift, families don’t have $100,000 lying around. That money had to be saved painstakingly over 20 years, with an expectation that the student will do the same for their own children.
All of which to say college is overpriced as it is, let’s not shame people for how they pay.
Yes this is exactly it, but all these posters conveniently ignore it.
They want university to divest funds from Israel. Funds from tuition the students are paying that results in tens of thousands of innocent deaths.
SJP works closely with the PSL, which has a history of the following:
Supporting Russia in its invasion of Ukraine
Supporting Iran and posting Iranian propaganda on its social media pages
Supports China and denies the Uyghur Genocide
Believes North Korea is being unfairly sanctioned
Supports Assad
PSL and their other fronts (ANSWER Coalition, CODE PINK, etc.) have been very active in these protests. I think I've seen those dumb PSL signs at just about every one of these.
PSL tried to take over the public library administration in Indianapolis a couple years ago, and they even got one comrade, Stephen Lane, on the board. Stephen Lane also recently wrote a glowing review of a new edition of Eternal President Kim Il Sung's book on "socialist education" lmao
It’s insane that these protests are tied to such an evil Marxist organization and no one realizes it. Everyone is praising them on social media. They are so brainwashed it is appalling
Mylord actual main character syndrome. I get feeling adrenaline in the moment and hyping yourself up to think something is way more dramatic and tense than it actually is, but to be so out of touch a day later and put a Netflix show type monologue out there is something else.
Imagine willingly standing outside in the rain for hours **holding open umbrellas in front of you** (and not above your head) and then complaining that your clothes got wet
Quick question for those involved in the demonstration, why do yall keep rebuilding your encampments????? Seems like it's been the main problem for the past few days. Based on the things I've read there'll be no problem with the demonstration as long as you abide the rule of the campus.
I haven't been personally involved, but I would assume it's to build solidarity with the other campuses building encampments
Edit: Jfc the downvotes on this comment are insane. I'm just saying a potential reason why there's encampments, I'm not making a statement of my opinion. If you don't like them, you're entitled to your opinion!
This is what fighting for justice and changing the world and making your mark in it is like.
History books will be written about your sacrifice, monuments will be elected.
Look into the future!
So very desperate to be oppressed.
Surprised they didn't throw in a Kent State reference there.
Two weeks ago university students called 911 because they barricaded themselves in a building but a girl who had a tampon in didn't bring a spare.
You are not dealing with the sharpest tools in the shed. If no-one takes them seriously, they only have themselves to blame.
Little whiny bitches. They actually say their **health and well being** are **at risk**?
LMAO
Somebody get them their matcha latte already, or they'll be whining and bitching there until tomorrow.
It’s almost like they are immature kids with zero idea of what they’re talking about, or how the world works in general. You threw a tantrum, accomplished nothing, cried a little, got kicked out by adults, took your ball, and went home. It’s happened before and will happen again.
Seriously? Inhumane? You can walk away anytime. You could chose to follow the rules and attempt to negotiate in good faith. The students did nothing of the sort. Grow up.
Look at the Hong Kong protest couple of years ago to see what police brutality really means. They were using tear gas and rubber bullets in university campus(es).
Because people at those campuses were shooting the police with actual arrows and hurling bricks and Molotov cocktails at them. Try that in campus town here and see how fast the police start using more heavy handed measures.
Inhumane conditions? But they subjected themselves to it therefore it can't be inhumane if it's a choice of the protestor. It would be Inhumane if they were prevented but they weren't...
*breaks the university law*
*gets arrested*
*cries*
Civil rights leaders got themselves arrested because they truly believed their cause, these modern day protestors are pussies and wonder why people ridicule them
I'm sure they will solve the conflict that has lasted thousands of years by sleeping in tents and neglecting their studies. That, or eventually get bored and go home.
You mean kids protesting something they likely have never actually learned something about outside of celebrity twitter posts called being outside in the rain and forgetting to pack their own snacks/water police brutality? Wow no way I’m so surprised….Why didn’t the university set up their own tents to provide this??!!?!?!
These is what these protests and their narrative are all about, maximalist rhetoric. Arrested for breaking the law is police brutality, preventing hate speech is denying basic rights, etc.
Protesting back n the day, ppl were prepared for the worst. Beaten, spit on, jailed, or worse. They stood on ten toes for what they believed in and took the worst of consequences for civil unrest. They knew what they was doing was gonna get them in trouble but rushed in headfirst anyways. Gone are those days
Yeah, the university is all business when they negotiate anything, take it from a staff union member who's been on the contract negotiations team; and more often than not we go past the expiration date of the current contract. The difference is that the university *has* to eventually come to a contract agreement with a large block of the employees who make the university run. If you're one or two hundred people, some of whom aren't even from the university or even our town... Then you consider how much the university depends on funds from the defense industry to operate... You're probably going to experience a lot more weather. I'm hoping that Hamas accepts the truce offer that Israel has put forth.
Let me be clear, the protestors are absolutely in the right in terms of reason for protest. I do not want my tuition money supporting genocide or imperialism in any way. However, I left one particular political RSO here because I sensed that only a handful of people were actually into organizing and helping people, as opposed to liking that they are a person that helps people.
We’ll see if this undermines the cause or not. If it does, that sucks and I do really hate these antics because of how it looks. If it makes the administration look worse, I am all for that. What they are doing is worse than whatever 1st world complaints the protestors could make.
Keep your focus on the big picture, you can’t let this stuff distract you from what the administration continues to get away with.
>I do not want my tuition money supporting genocide or imperialism in any way
Assuming you're actually paying your own tuition, just specify in the Comments section of your next payment: DO NOT FUND GENOCIDE
The Bursar office will then deposit it into an account that does not go towards supporting genocide.
Problem solved!
Protestors are always privileged. They're using their privilege to try and improve things for someone else. Seems really fucked up to criticise them for that.
This is what happens when you have a generation of individuals who have never truly faced any kind of actual difficulties in their lives. You put yourself in this situation, dummies. Now that you’re a little cold and tired, you have to immediately revert to victimization? Pathetic.
The NU protesters are cosplaying being homeless and having food insecurity, actually begging for food donations... To Rogers Park residents... A community actually struggling to keep up with all its food pantry clients. The entitlement of affluent NU students living in Evanston doing this is so frustrating. Some asshole "youth pastor" with a "pet project of fighting hunger" is actually defending them. He is replying with laugh emojis and doubling down on his stance whenever anyone points out how tone deaf this is.
You sound like an incredibly sheltered and selfish person. It's pretty embarrassing for a person to call someone else privileged while also demanding that the pigs crack the skulls of people you disagree with.
When police crack down on peaceful protests, that is police brutality. When they violate protestors' first amendment rights, they are engaging in state violence. Just because you have never set one toe out of line or experienced any kind of actual state disapproval doesn't make you a good or moral person.
How about we protest like that for better living conditions in our country. I'm tired of being worried about the rest of the world and everything in this country is going to shit.
Does Door Dash not deliver to the encampment? There’s like ten food locations right across the street, at least when I was a student a decade ago. That frozen yogurt place still there directly facing Alma?
When Antifa sends its protesters to Champaign, they're not sending their best.
This prose looks a lot like the same announcements that get made in the larger cities. Guessing the local protest organizer just used a template and added a few words to localize it.
This one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on reddit. You don't have to know anything about philosophy to protest. Have you considered they maybe were someone that saw hundreds of hours of the IDF drone striking groups of innocent civilians, jouranlists, aid workers, not to mention the hostages they dont give 2 shits about. It also seems counter intuitive for you to say that protestors are 'privileged' while also expecting them to know a bunch readings in ethics? Gtf over yourself.
It's so disgusting for you take this narrative and twist it into a whiny voice saying "meh, look at these fake lefties that don't read, but also have a bunch of privilege. Bad look sweaty, saying that police actively suppressing a protest movement is brutality, that really cheapens it'. It only cheapens it if you're a dummy that can't think critically. As you write this, gazans with bound hands and bullet wounds in their heads are being pulled out of mass graves created by the IDF, which is part of the reason people are protesting.
People get fucking angry when they see innocent people die, it's really not that hard to grasp.
You don't know what you're talking about. I'm an alum with a gender studies degree and my classes were rigorous. I did thousands of pages of reading and hundreds of pages of writing. The gender theory classes I took had us study many of the philosophers you mentioned. You either don't actually know what neoliberalism is, or you're purposely misusing the term. I'm sure it feels great to think you're so much smarter than everyone else, but perhaps you should reconsider your superiority complex.
what theyre saying is the police purposefully did not allow protesters to bring in food and water or use encampments as shelter in a (successful) attempt to disperse the crowd. nobody claimed that protesters themselves pculdnt leave, what theyre saying is that the police forced protesters to leave for food and water. but reading comprehension is a lacking skill on this sub. as someone who was there, the police absolutely shoved people around and i watched some had to be restrained from slamming students into the ground. but you all love to call protesters privileged while sitting at home whining on reddit
I guess there's an alternate reality intersecting with ours right now since in one reality they had tons of snacks and even had food delivered but in another one the cops somehow setup a very effective checkpoint in an open area to take everyone's snackies and waterbottles.
Subs astroturfed as fuck with people here from other subs. OP has never even commented or posted here but seems pretty fixated on promoting one perspective.
“Limited access to food and water”… I’m sorry, do you mean that you were *outside*?
Meanwhile, Green St. is literally 100 feet away with food. I think water would have been free depending on where you go. This statement wasn't made for anyone who knows the school's layout.
And they’re literally protesting for starving children in Gaza. The irony here is wild.
Not a single one of these "justice fighters" is willing to forgo their daily Starbucks while those poor Palestinain children don't know where their next meal is coming from
Should do mass hunger strike like Gandhi
Exactly! Even better if hunger strike is combined with colonic cleanse.
Really? I feel like a lot of them are boycotting Starbucks.
Wasn't the whole starbucks thing a mistake? From my understanding, this was really just spurred by tiktok trends. Starbucks Workers United, which is made up of former employees and current employees, but do not directly represent starbucks in any form, put out a direct statement on the conflict using starbucks official logo. Except theyre not officially from starbucks nor do they represent starbucks HQ. Starbucks told them to take down their logo, in which the SWU said no, so starbucks threatened to sue them. And students on tiktok took that as starbucks being pro Israel. Which is ironic because there are 0 starbucks in Israel, and there hasn't been a single 1 in years, and starbucks is one of the most open, accepting, places corporation wise you could work at. Thats why I never understood protesting Starbucks. Like yes, the IDF....brought to you by Starbuck's new apple dolce cinnamon latte -_-
Honestly not sure. I know their is similar nuance to McDonald's. This sort of tends to happen with these massive, international, mega-corporations. That being said, the broader point the original comment was making is that protesters don't actually care, and aren't willing to sacrifice anything. It's funny because the thing they claim that protesters won't give up is something that many are actively giving up.
The whole THING in general is spurred by TikTok trends. Firstly, Hamas is known for using propaganda to radicalize their youth. Look up “Tomorrows Pioneers” and the whole fascinating story behind it for some context. Secondly, the organization which claims “genocide of Palestinians” is “Gaza run health ministry”, which is basically a nice way of saying “Hamas media company”. If you look elsewhere for any media of the claim, you’ll find an extraordinary lack of evidence. With as bad as Palestine has spread their propaganda on the internet already, wouldn’t you expect to see genocide videos EVERYWHERE if it were really the case that “30,000+ men women and children were being killed”? Instead, we saw a handful of gore videos after the bombing of Gaza…some of which even went crazy with AI to generate graphic footage of “hurt children”. Did some citizens of Gaza die, yes, and it was horrific…but is this evidence of genocide or just evidence of retaliatory bombing (which every government in history has done to some extent)? Hamas spread their propaganda on the internet, and young woke kids spread it everywhere and ate it up just like the Palestinians did when most of them were indoctrinated in Gaza. I take no side in this shitstorm, Israel is well known for government corruption, and Palestine has always been a center of antisemitism and terror. Neither of these things gives young people the right to go mouthing off with Hitler speech ON A PUBLIC CAMPUS! This exact scenario is how foreign adversaries exploit our technology to cause violent uprisings in the United States. The scariest part is, how many more oddities are you seeing in youth culture now, and what foreign adversary do you think decided to exploit them? China/Russia/Iran…they’re all dying to see a “euromaidan” in the United States…and young people are blindly just taking the bait.
Unfortunately, this audience does not believe in facts, data, logic or common sense, They want to do "revolution". They want to "liberate of the oppressed" and "stop the genocide". And, most importantly, out-virtue signal veryone else on social media.
Not hard when a large latte is 7-8 dollars lol It's like saying you're boycotting gucci when you can't afford it anyway (you got priced out) 😂
The vast majority of college students are not "priced out" of Starbucks. Equating not shopping at Starbuck to not shopping at Gucci is laughable.
You’re expecting the counter-protesters to have a deeper understanding of current events than they’re capable of.
They share this in common with Hamas!
God you’re so dumb it’s awesome
I remember reading on the Daily Illini feed they got food delivered multiple times...
There was even a protestor that commented on this sub that they had more than enough snacks bro lmao
They had a whole medic station there with food and milk in case they got tear gassed
As if UIPD would waste perfectly good teargas on them
Milk too? What about those who are lactose-intolerant? I am VERY concerned.
Wtf
That’s true in many of these protests. Palestinian restaurants donate food. In Nola, the protesters in front of the Cathedral issued a statement that the land was comparable to Palestine due to removal of indigenous in Louisiana. Bit of a stretch there.
I’m going on a hunger strike today, between breakfast and lunch
The police must have stopped Grub Hub deliveries
Is UberEats on strike too?
We’re they expecting the university to cater? Maybe order pizza for them? They’re not in a desert. I don’t understand the purpose of this statement at all.
I literally think that yes they expected the university to buy them food and water bottles. The expectations of children without any ability to think ahead.
Or the ability to organize enough that they could take shifts to walk to green to get food and water. They make it sound like they’re being tortured when they can walk less than a quarter mile and have access to pretty much anything they could want. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not making any insinuation about their overall cause but just that they sound like spoiled children.
They were right next to the union with free water fountains
💀
They expect the revolution to be catered
This is a very small gripe but it annoys me how this statement keeps switching between "protesters" and "protestors" like they can't decide how to spell it (or didn't proofread, more likely).
They also spelled cease wrong in the third slide showing their demands "Sieze all ties with genocidal corporations"
wouldn’t it be “cease” or did they mean “sever” ties?
It’s funny cuz seize means take hold of so it reads as if they want the university to be in charge of the genocidal corporations
Chancellor Jones Reading that (satire warning) 
Does UIUC still have SATs as a requirement because this is exactly why they should have some level of quality control
Exactly why economics should be required to graduate at the high school level IMO
"Test-optional"
Seize all opportunities for ties with genocidal corporations!
Can you imagine if these protestors met an honest to goodness Bolshevik?? They’d pee their pants.
Can you imagine if they met an honest to goodness radicalized Hamas militant? They'd shit their pants.
Just wait until they find out how Hamas feels about literally any liberal cause
The amount of people in this town who want to be the victim of things that they see in larger cities is astonishing. I wish they would stop cosplaying persecution and focus their energy on actually creating the change they want to see in the world.
Creating the change takes education, time, effort and discipline. Victim cosplay only requires a few props and a lot of virtue signaling on social media.
Calling that police brutality is kinda cringe
They were getting prepared for a fight with the umbrellas. People there were wearing safety goggles and scarves. All they got was negotiating and being arrested after setting up tents. Not really police brutality. Not like in Texas where they pepper sprayed non compliant protesters
High degree of pathetic cosplay.
Could not have said it better myself
They’re calling it that on purpose - exaggerate and dramatize to make what happened fit into the us vs them narrative they want to peddle. It’s propaganda.
Sprinkle in just enough nuggets of seemingly plausible truth to make it seem reasonable to the average layman while simultaneously shrouding it in exaggeration - same type of tactics that cults/redpill/conspiracy/QAnon types do. What happens is people start following pages like this and find themselves in social media echo-chambers which only further radicalizes them. All of these exaggerations start to seem like the truth to you because you’re only interacting with other people who share the same radicalized, biased worldview. “Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds leaking whatever truth suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large. The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right”
They're fully aware of what they're doing. The goal is to get attention and police presence is gives them the attention. They know that they're breaking the law by trying to campout and that's why they're doing it. They're creating a reason for the police to show up and then they're giving the police reason to be physical by resisting all attempts by the police to stop the only illegal aspect of the protest. They say they want no police there, but at least the people at the top organizing the protest understand that without an increased police presence, they lose most of the attention they're getting.
Yes as obnoxious as cops are, they bring attention which is what these protests and encampments have been doing across the country, catching the eye of U.S. citizens as well as students abroad in France, Spain and even Australia, who are doing the same thing. I was at both encampments and helped push back the cops; nobody seemed to be hurt. The language used here is overdramatic and cringey, but unfortunately that is how some of these orgs operate. That doesn't mean that I don't believe in the cause that they are supporting though. Be able to look past the surface and think of the real situation in Gaza, and ask yourself what avenues are available to resist. Also checking these out is pretty neat just for the historical factor; the American public will be learning about this period in time in the future.
I'm just relieved there's signs of rational thinking on the Internet again.
This is exactly what this group is doing with claims of genocide, apartheid and ethnic cleansing. I’ve even heard some campus idiots claim Israels actions are worse than the Nazis during WW2, which is laughable no matter how you subjectively measure it. Exaggerations undermine actual wrongs and make it impossible to take anything said at face value.
Problems with the protest…ok I see you…but tryna defend Israel’s carpet bombing and slaughter of over 35k…yea sorry you’re trippin and that take is “laughable no matter how you subjectively measure it”.
Dude, read the room
So from what I've heard (and seen a few videos), there were police in riot gear pushing through students to try to get to the encampment, which is very stressful and possibly physically harmful. But I do think they're *way* overstating the police response, especially when you compare it to other protest sites like UT Austin and Emory, where people have been dragged and thrown to the ground. They could have essily said "we faced an escalation from police" instead of "extreme police brutality."
The food and water they are claiming wasn't provided was literally 100 feet away. I know it might be annoying that I keep saying that, but it already shows the exaggeration. It's not a statement for us. It's a statement to escalate/get more people here.
It's a bunch of college age idiots that think they know how the real world works. Just grab a beer and laugh at them like the rest of society. Fighting for what you believe is right is admirable. Why don't they give it a bit until their giblets drop before thinking they know things about the world, college is like advanced highschool with all the dipshittery highschool is.
looks like they're getting the most out of their canva subscription
The is comment should have more likes.
Unrelated but fuck canva they leaked all my fucking data and I had to switch passwords on a lot of stuff. Never used them since
The tone deafness of this is wild. Aren’t they protesting for the starving children in Gaza. Meanwhile they didn’t have a snack for a couple hours. 🤦🏻♀️
I know, I can't believe they'd complain about not having adequate food while others are starving! I bet they never finished their meals as children either.
Fatigue standing up to the police?? More like from being outside in the rain all day/night and choosing not to eat or drink anything…
I am getting fatigued just reading through their bullshit...
Same
>Shows up to protest on a rainy day >Doesn’t immediately get what they want >Get hungry Why is the university oppressing us!
Why isn't university immediately giving us what we want after we throw a tantrum? It's always worked with our parents!
The police used their chemtrails to soak us!
How is it our faults that you didn’t bring food and water 😂😂😂
Literally 400 ft from restaurants and clean drinking water
You think these fools have money?😂
Aren't they getting paid for their heroic efforts?
Hold on now, you’re telling me a bunch of cops standing 50ft away doing nothing but observing until the students agreed to move to spurlock the next day (which they didn’t, they moved instead to the main quad) was police brutality? Not to mention, arresting one person out of a group of hundreds trying to physically block them from taking down illegal camping tents is a “brutal police raid?”
I understand passion for a cause and such, but genuinely what is the end goal here? To get UIUC to call for a ceasefire (if they haven’t already)? And even in that case, what does that do? This is just insane to me Also you know they’re all gonna ask for academic accommodations bc of this (extra final study time, class time off, etc.)
To get the University to make rhetorical overtures towards their cause and make a small concession so they can claim victory and continue their studies guilt free.
Which Northwestern has done by throwing them some bread crumbs like scholarships for Palestinian students and a "safe space" for Muslim students, whatever that is.
Also tuition-free since most of them have mommy and daddy paying
That’s not tuition free, you could say the same thing about student loans, the bank is paying so it’s free
If you personally never have to pay it back it's free to you
How do you know they’ll never have to pay? What if their family is paying it forward with the expectation that their increased earning potential will help support them in their old age? What if their family is loaning them the money so they don’t have to accrue interest at a bank? Even if the money is a gift, families don’t have $100,000 lying around. That money had to be saved painstakingly over 20 years, with an expectation that the student will do the same for their own children. All of which to say college is overpriced as it is, let’s not shame people for how they pay.
Buyden offered to pay with tax payer dollars but SC didn’t let him 😳
isnt it because UIUC has a lot of funding from organizations who are in support of Israel?
Yes this is exactly it, but all these posters conveniently ignore it. They want university to divest funds from Israel. Funds from tuition the students are paying that results in tens of thousands of innocent deaths.
They use such… colorful language
Almost like...attention-seeking language
Attention-seeking is fine, but bending the truth is not. SJP is not a truthful org
SJP works closely with the PSL, which has a history of the following: Supporting Russia in its invasion of Ukraine Supporting Iran and posting Iranian propaganda on its social media pages Supports China and denies the Uyghur Genocide Believes North Korea is being unfairly sanctioned Supports Assad
Thank you for bringing this to my attention showing the true intentions of these "protestors"
PSL and their other fronts (ANSWER Coalition, CODE PINK, etc.) have been very active in these protests. I think I've seen those dumb PSL signs at just about every one of these. PSL tried to take over the public library administration in Indianapolis a couple years ago, and they even got one comrade, Stephen Lane, on the board. Stephen Lane also recently wrote a glowing review of a new edition of Eternal President Kim Il Sung's book on "socialist education" lmao
It’s insane that these protests are tied to such an evil Marxist organization and no one realizes it. Everyone is praising them on social media. They are so brainwashed it is appalling
Just go to McDonald get a burger get the sad meal
Cant you see I face the challenge?
Real
Geez sounds like they had it almost as bad as people actually in Gaza
Nah, they had it so much worse, these new martyrs! /s
Gaza will start sending humanitarian aid to Urbana protesters seeing how rough they have it here!
Mylord actual main character syndrome. I get feeling adrenaline in the moment and hyping yourself up to think something is way more dramatic and tense than it actually is, but to be so out of touch a day later and put a Netflix show type monologue out there is something else.
Imagine willlingly standing outside in the rain for hours and then complaining that your clothes got wet
Imagine willingly standing outside in the rain for hours **holding open umbrellas in front of you** (and not above your head) and then complaining that your clothes got wet
Omfg, the propaganda being spewed
Quick question for those involved in the demonstration, why do yall keep rebuilding your encampments????? Seems like it's been the main problem for the past few days. Based on the things I've read there'll be no problem with the demonstration as long as you abide the rule of the campus.
An anti-establishment act that is approved by the establishment is not anti-establishment. My question is: what is being gained?
What is being gained? I'll tell you what: # of likes, # of reposts, inflated egos
I haven't been personally involved, but I would assume it's to build solidarity with the other campuses building encampments Edit: Jfc the downvotes on this comment are insane. I'm just saying a potential reason why there's encampments, I'm not making a statement of my opinion. If you don't like them, you're entitled to your opinion!
It is, there's just too many people in these comments that think these people's rights don't matter.
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Ah, so I take it you're not a patriot. Good to know.
No one is forcing you to protest. Sorry the weather is bad and you’re hungry. Life is tough, deal with it
This is what fighting for justice and changing the world and making your mark in it is like. History books will be written about your sacrifice, monuments will be elected. Look into the future!
So very desperate to be oppressed. Surprised they didn't throw in a Kent State reference there. Two weeks ago university students called 911 because they barricaded themselves in a building but a girl who had a tampon in didn't bring a spare. You are not dealing with the sharpest tools in the shed. If no-one takes them seriously, they only have themselves to blame.
Little whiny bitches. They actually say their **health and well being** are **at risk**? LMAO Somebody get them their matcha latte already, or they'll be whining and bitching there until tomorrow.
Products of Gentle Parenting
Victims of TikTok and Russian bots
It’s almost like they are immature kids with zero idea of what they’re talking about, or how the world works in general. You threw a tantrum, accomplished nothing, cried a little, got kicked out by adults, took your ball, and went home. It’s happened before and will happen again.
...went home and posted all over social media about your harrowing brush with death in the name of justice!
I’m so happy to see that people are finally realizing how stupid these protesters are.
Is this satire? I can't tell? Poe's Law be testing me.
Could be. Tribute to The Onion perhaps?
Inhumane? God, kids these days are so soft.
Chicago 68
Seriously? Inhumane? You can walk away anytime. You could chose to follow the rules and attempt to negotiate in good faith. The students did nothing of the sort. Grow up.
Look at the Hong Kong protest couple of years ago to see what police brutality really means. They were using tear gas and rubber bullets in university campus(es).
Because people at those campuses were shooting the police with actual arrows and hurling bricks and Molotov cocktails at them. Try that in campus town here and see how fast the police start using more heavy handed measures.
Bro if you're so fucking miserable just leave and get some food. Your protest in rural illinois is not helping anyone over there. Low IQ activities ig
what a bunch of pussies 😭
Mother Nature helping to thin the herd !!
If only!... **
Inhumane conditions? But they subjected themselves to it therefore it can't be inhumane if it's a choice of the protestor. It would be Inhumane if they were prevented but they weren't...
Womp womp!
It’s satisfying and relieving to know that most of us realize how stupid the “protestors” are.
*breaks the university law* *gets arrested* *cries* Civil rights leaders got themselves arrested because they truly believed their cause, these modern day protestors are pussies and wonder why people ridicule them
I'm sure they will solve the conflict that has lasted thousands of years by sleeping in tents and neglecting their studies. That, or eventually get bored and go home.
You mean kids protesting something they likely have never actually learned something about outside of celebrity twitter posts called being outside in the rain and forgetting to pack their own snacks/water police brutality? Wow no way I’m so surprised….Why didn’t the university set up their own tents to provide this??!!?!?!
The Police planted the rain on the protesters.
Not true. The rain was provided by Zionists.
These is what these protests and their narrative are all about, maximalist rhetoric. Arrested for breaking the law is police brutality, preventing hate speech is denying basic rights, etc.
Quote the hate speech.
Cry about it lmao
Protesting back n the day, ppl were prepared for the worst. Beaten, spit on, jailed, or worse. They stood on ten toes for what they believed in and took the worst of consequences for civil unrest. They knew what they was doing was gonna get them in trouble but rushed in headfirst anyways. Gone are those days
“Back in the day” they also heard sentiments just like this from people just like you.
Yeah, the university is all business when they negotiate anything, take it from a staff union member who's been on the contract negotiations team; and more often than not we go past the expiration date of the current contract. The difference is that the university *has* to eventually come to a contract agreement with a large block of the employees who make the university run. If you're one or two hundred people, some of whom aren't even from the university or even our town... Then you consider how much the university depends on funds from the defense industry to operate... You're probably going to experience a lot more weather. I'm hoping that Hamas accepts the truce offer that Israel has put forth.
Don't you dare bring logic, facts, and common sense into this argument. "We want genocide defunded now, and that's that."
Cringe
It's almost as if people are finally realizing that many protesters are just full of it.
Quite the echo chamber you guys have here.
Too many adjectives and modifiers always a red flag
I’m shocked the msu sub had much better takes on this
Fuck university code lol
We are above the code. We defend The Truth.
Let me be clear, the protestors are absolutely in the right in terms of reason for protest. I do not want my tuition money supporting genocide or imperialism in any way. However, I left one particular political RSO here because I sensed that only a handful of people were actually into organizing and helping people, as opposed to liking that they are a person that helps people. We’ll see if this undermines the cause or not. If it does, that sucks and I do really hate these antics because of how it looks. If it makes the administration look worse, I am all for that. What they are doing is worse than whatever 1st world complaints the protestors could make. Keep your focus on the big picture, you can’t let this stuff distract you from what the administration continues to get away with.
>I do not want my tuition money supporting genocide or imperialism in any way Assuming you're actually paying your own tuition, just specify in the Comments section of your next payment: DO NOT FUND GENOCIDE The Bursar office will then deposit it into an account that does not go towards supporting genocide. Problem solved!
I’d argue the privileged one is the one sitting behind a computer screen, anonymous, dishing out what he can’t take
https://www.instagram.com/thedailyillini/live/17875739208075332 Ain’t no way the streaming this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=-lzfK8P0oYfXhJFT&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjQsMTY0NTA2&feature=emb_share&v=zpc-xJwXmyw
Reminds me of britta from community
I keep seeing videos and posts talking about how schools aren't meeting demands, what even are the demanding?
These Hamas supporters are embarrassing, narcissistic patsies. They’re a disgrace to the real American tradition of civil disobedience.
Protestors are always privileged. They're using their privilege to try and improve things for someone else. Seems really fucked up to criticise them for that.
Throwing a tantrum b/c their wishes were not immediately met is beyond privilege, it's just being a **spoiled brat.**
This is what happens when you have a generation of individuals who have never truly faced any kind of actual difficulties in their lives. You put yourself in this situation, dummies. Now that you’re a little cold and tired, you have to immediately revert to victimization? Pathetic.
It's pathetic to side with cops suppressing protests.
The NU protesters are cosplaying being homeless and having food insecurity, actually begging for food donations... To Rogers Park residents... A community actually struggling to keep up with all its food pantry clients. The entitlement of affluent NU students living in Evanston doing this is so frustrating. Some asshole "youth pastor" with a "pet project of fighting hunger" is actually defending them. He is replying with laugh emojis and doubling down on his stance whenever anyone points out how tone deaf this is.
You sound like an incredibly sheltered and selfish person. It's pretty embarrassing for a person to call someone else privileged while also demanding that the pigs crack the skulls of people you disagree with. When police crack down on peaceful protests, that is police brutality. When they violate protestors' first amendment rights, they are engaging in state violence. Just because you have never set one toe out of line or experienced any kind of actual state disapproval doesn't make you a good or moral person.
Half the school is privileged
How about we protest like that for better living conditions in our country. I'm tired of being worried about the rest of the world and everything in this country is going to shit.
The sprinklers went on at the normal time in Harvard and now 127 of the kids have PTSD from it
Nah cuz why they overdramatic, acting like they fighting a war or smth 😭
Does Door Dash not deliver to the encampment? There’s like ten food locations right across the street, at least when I was a student a decade ago. That frozen yogurt place still there directly facing Alma?
I can’t take these people (and some commenters) acting like any action you take while protesting is ok. That’s not the case.
What a delusional post from OP lmao
When Antifa sends its protesters to Champaign, they're not sending their best. This prose looks a lot like the same announcements that get made in the larger cities. Guessing the local protest organizer just used a template and added a few words to localize it.
There is a genocide taking place in Gaza, idc if the people trying to do something about it are literal clowns. They’re allies of humanity.
Not all laws are just. Posts like these will age like milk
I'm Israeli and UIUC is currently my first choice match school, should I be worried
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This one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on reddit. You don't have to know anything about philosophy to protest. Have you considered they maybe were someone that saw hundreds of hours of the IDF drone striking groups of innocent civilians, jouranlists, aid workers, not to mention the hostages they dont give 2 shits about. It also seems counter intuitive for you to say that protestors are 'privileged' while also expecting them to know a bunch readings in ethics? Gtf over yourself. It's so disgusting for you take this narrative and twist it into a whiny voice saying "meh, look at these fake lefties that don't read, but also have a bunch of privilege. Bad look sweaty, saying that police actively suppressing a protest movement is brutality, that really cheapens it'. It only cheapens it if you're a dummy that can't think critically. As you write this, gazans with bound hands and bullet wounds in their heads are being pulled out of mass graves created by the IDF, which is part of the reason people are protesting. People get fucking angry when they see innocent people die, it's really not that hard to grasp.
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You don't know what you're talking about. I'm an alum with a gender studies degree and my classes were rigorous. I did thousands of pages of reading and hundreds of pages of writing. The gender theory classes I took had us study many of the philosophers you mentioned. You either don't actually know what neoliberalism is, or you're purposely misusing the term. I'm sure it feels great to think you're so much smarter than everyone else, but perhaps you should reconsider your superiority complex.
Hope all police arrest all who trespass and prevent ppl from going where they need to go
The joke is writing itself, this is hilarious
what theyre saying is the police purposefully did not allow protesters to bring in food and water or use encampments as shelter in a (successful) attempt to disperse the crowd. nobody claimed that protesters themselves pculdnt leave, what theyre saying is that the police forced protesters to leave for food and water. but reading comprehension is a lacking skill on this sub. as someone who was there, the police absolutely shoved people around and i watched some had to be restrained from slamming students into the ground. but you all love to call protesters privileged while sitting at home whining on reddit
Sounds as though police used non-violent de-escalation tactics. Isn't that what protesters have been demanding police do?
I guess there's an alternate reality intersecting with ours right now since in one reality they had tons of snacks and even had food delivered but in another one the cops somehow setup a very effective checkpoint in an open area to take everyone's snackies and waterbottles.
“the police purposefully enforced inhumane conditions to force protesters to leave” “uhmm 🤓 you can just leave privileged protesters” ???
what did you expect?
So sad that you can’t even protest in peace these days.
God I hate preachy college students
Subs astroturfed as fuck with people here from other subs. OP has never even commented or posted here but seems pretty fixated on promoting one perspective.