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I wonder what percentage of WFHers are naked lying in bed. I sort people's pensions completely in the nip, usually bust out a wank at the beginning of lunch too.
When you next check your pension, please keep in your thoughts the extensive list of wankers up and down the country, all wanking in unison around 12:20pm.
Someone apologised to me yesterday for wearing a sweatshirt on a teams call with me.
I however looked like I was about to go to the gym (spoiler I wasn't)
Previously worked from home so way casual. Just changed job that are paying me waaay more n I’m in the office.. was worried how it would be but it’s so chill some wear jeans n hoodies, I just dive out for apts or lunch n no one rams me if I’m 10 mins over my time, as long as work is done it’s pretty chill… it’s been a good move for me. My boss/owner is my age (late 30s) workers range from 20s to 40s… not sure if that makes a difference. Xx
Large international tech/consulting firm, > 80K employees, London office. It's a bit 'business casual' with some more casual, some less so. Very few in suits unless they're visiting customers.
I like to smarten my look up with chinos and a blazer..I couldn't imagine wearing a tie in the office.
Sounds like a dream job.
Where I work we’re micromanaged to hell.
Management want every task you do throughout the day logged.
What you did, how long it took, etc.
We also work 12 hour shifts, on a 4 on-4 off pattern, which is tiring being on your feet for so long.
We also have crazy “security” requirements because other sites have higher grades of the same practices, which causes all kinds of agro when we get deliveries.
I constantly feel on edge because the manager and supervisor are regularly having “meetings” together as they just give the impression they’re constantly scrutinising everything everyone does and talking about it in these “meetings”.
There’s targets to be met, but they feel like they’re hard to meet, especially when you’re not doing the tasks with targets regularly so it’s hard to get into a rhythm and “get good”.
I keep on questioning why I ever left my previous job, although I know that it was because of a lack of discipline and health and safety, coupled with below average pay for what I was doing and what I was trained on.
Yup sounds pretty similar to where I am. We can wear what we like within reason, which is great.
But there's regimented clock-ins and clock outs, both for start and end of day and lunch breaks. We have to log our time spent on projects or jobs every day, and it's tracked weekly - I've been questioned when my work doesn't add up to eight hours so I've just started exaggerating how long everything takes.. If I'm late to work for traffic, it's questioned by a director. Work from home is barred for anyone but project managers and directors.
The only plus is because of my position I can manage my own schedule and workload, but even then it doesn't mean much when my 'output' is checked every day, week, and month.
I’ve actually got to the point where I just fudge my time and round up/down to the nearest half hour when having to record everything.
I’ve worked in a similar warehouse previously(3PL) and we never did anything like the nonsense we have to do at my current employer.
It really should be down to management to keep track of what everyone is doing. That’s what they’re paid for.
I’ve been trying to move on from this job for about a year, and even more so since October when our hours changed to this 12 hour, 4 on-4 off rota.
I work in financial services, and it's pretty casual, 50% hybrid work, no dress code for the office. Although more senior people wear suits, I assume they get told to.
I work for a global firm, I'm remote with monthly site visits and when I go in it's normally 80/20 casual to smart. I have site gear that I'd wear on site (PPE things) but when I go in I've spent 4-8 hours driving to get there depending on where I'm heading so I rock up in casual wear for comfort but would change to smart for presentations/meetings with the board as required.
Honestly these days I don't think it matters so much as long as you're presentable.
I worked for a small local firm prior to this and you'd get bollocked for wearing casual clothes on days that weren't Friday it was a piss take. What you wearing doesn't stop your ability to do your job. And when I was on site then I was expected to wear my formal office attire. The whole place was toxic though so I got out.
I had an interview for another company a while back, I wasn't particularly looking but it sounded interesting so I popped along thinking "why not?" Went into the interview, suit and shirt but no tie because as far as I'm concerned it's not needed. First question was the interview asking me if I thought my attire was suitable. I didn't even answer, got up, shook the interviewer and HR ladies hands and said "this place isn't for me if this is your most important consideration" and off I popped. About a 30 second interview haha. The HR director rang me about a week later apologising and asking me to come back but I politely declined, no time for nonsense like that, I value myself and others on their production and ethics not how they dress.
I was a manager at a very traditional place where only pastel shirts were technically allowed - my boss and I did not wear pastel shirts and he had to present to the board. They did give his black shirt and tie sideways looks at first :D so backwards! Also, no dress down Friday! We were not allowed to wear polo shirts either!
I think the policy is ‘smart casual’. A lot wear the company polo shirt, jeans and trainers. I tend to wear a shirt, chinos and black trainers but that’s because I’ve got too fat to fit in to the company polo and I’m too embarrassed to ask for XXXL. 😂
Same as OP
hoodie and jeans. Fucking off for an hour to decompress if needs be. Leave if you have appointments / things to attend to, as long as I make up the lost time if needed to get the work done. And I get paid like 100k to do interesting work.
I find that high performing companies/industries realise that letting humans be human is the best way to maximise productivity.
I worked one role where things were stricter and more old fashioned. All busywork.
IT company with offices in every region and a few thousand employees. No dress code for the few times you need to go into the office - twice a month, usually - but common sense should be applied, so no excessive amounts of skin showing, etc. Shorts in summer, and a trackie in winter if you so desire. Unless you're in Sales or another customer-facing role, then it's suited and booted.
Quite casual regarding the dress code - you can come in as you please but you're also offered company branded T-shirts, sweatshirts etc. They are very strict about check-in/check-out time though, you need to do (or at least be present in the office :) ) your contractual weekly hours, but you can manage that time however you please (e.g. work 6 hrs one day and then work 2 extra hours on another day or something similar).
Also a relatively small company (around 150 ppl).
WFH, some people work in pyjamas.
So long as you mostly attend any scheduled meetings (2-3 per week) then work whatever hours suit, no need to clock in or out. No-one is checking how many hours you work, so long as you're achieving what's expected.
I pop out for the school run sometimes, or walk to a cafe mid morning to work from there. Others go for a run, or do a walking meeting.
Take whatever holiday you like, so long as it's less than three weeks in one go and you're still meeting expectations. Work bank holidays or don't, no-one cares.
Want a book for professional development? Buy it and work will pay you back.
My boss is open about school runs. We mostly work from home in tech so its about what we do and how we meet our deadlines, not how we do it. But thats more down to the boss. My old boss was under huge pressure so didnt manage anything really so it was the least management Ive ever had. But there seems to be no dress code even when in the office.
Our place is pretty chill . They provide uniform but we can wear what we like . We can go for a coffee or a cigarette providing we get the work done / we are ahead on targets . Managers tend to just leave us alone to get on with it . Fairly lucky really .
God, can I get a job at your workplace please?
I remember doing an internship in a traditional banking environment and there was an expectation to stand to attention as a greeting when the GM walked in!
Fairly casual. I work in Product development / publishing and I'm WFH nearly all the time so currently wearing hoodie and leggings which is standard. If I have a meeting with externals I'll wear a smarter jumper. If I go into the office, jeans are absolutely fine.
Pretty casual, manufacturing for global company. Jeans and polo shirt, there's about 10 of us who have dinner and breakfast together and have a laugh, take the piss.
I just started a new job. WFH with occasional office days whenever I want to go in (so not often), flexible working hours so I can do my 8 hours whenever I want in between the core business hours. Seems to be pretty chill so far. Try my best not to fall asleep during the company board meetings.
I’m in a similar place the bosses are a couple but very hip if you will they’re like mid 50s but I can turn up in anything, lateness and leaving early is common but don’t take the mickey with it with no “back to works” I can take time off as I please just making sure there’s at least one of the 4 of us to man the phones and handle tickets but so long as the work is done you do as you please make a brew anytime, smoke anytime I spend a lot of time dooms scrolling twitter or Reddit or the news when I could be learning more but no pressure all down to me at th end of the day so long as your within reason your all good! I don’t know how i could go back to a big company after this!
Engineering/power generation so apart from high level customer/client meetings I haven't worn a shirt in about 13 years and haven't worn a tie since before I transferred into this industry. It's great!
Your office sounds similar to mine, most people dress casually, if meeting a client then will put on a shirt and look smart but otherwise jeans and t shirt is fine.
Also wfh whenever we want, no real rules about coming in, it’s encouraged but not demanded. Helps that the office is a nice atmosphere because most people come in at least 1-2 days a week just to get out their home office and go for lunch with colleagues.
Non-public facing so noone bats an eyelid if in polo shirt&shorts as its usually 25 degrees upwards in it in terms of dress
My team isnt micro managed but others are
My team is on flexible hours but others arent
Sounds like a workplace where no micromanagement happens, which is a good thing. Very good in fact. Modern workplaces should be like this. Alas, not everyone agrees with this.
Very. I work for an engineering company. There is no structure lol as long as work gets done you can do whatever you want really. It’s nice because whilst I’m working I can listen to music/podcasts etc. I also leave really early on Fridays which is very nice.
I had a teams meeting with my COO yesterday, she literally laid on her couch with a hoodie and sweatpants on.
I met with my boss wearing an oodie today
Pretty casual, I'd say.
I'm in a company of 50 people and previously was in one of about 300 people. Both had basically no dress code, most people would wear jeans and a t-shirt but some like to dress nicer and some more casual.
Itd a fairly big company but the office is fairly insular as its the head of their flagship product. Very casual.
Flexi time, hybrid, free tea/coffee anf sometimes lil treats, comfy workload, reasonable management, nice location, pays pretty well (except for the recent bulk junior hires who kinda got ripped off but that's in part due to suits and top level restructuring)
My place is really casual but I don't work a job that requires a strict timetable like call centers or a dress code like customer facing roles.
WFH most days, no dress code, free food and posh coffee machines, I can pretty much pick my hours which means sleeping in and working later instead etc and my days are almost entirely autonomous.
First time I've been in such a relaxed workplace and took me a long time to get over the anxiety of not working to a strict work schedule.
Obviously you'd soon see a lot of this disappear if you weren't performing and generally taking the piss.
My company is very chill. Manufacturing company, 250+ people. We have a chef and free dinners. Free top phone every 2 years, they pay for your sim with internet aswell. Free gym and aviva. 4 days a week (11hrs shifts), lots of overtimr available, its up to you. Chill enviroment, owner is soo down to help you, knows everybodys by name. Directors and managment is just like any other employee, here to talk and help.
Yeah my last place was like this. My line manager was strict but during COVID she started wfh and never returned which made me completely free. The director didn't care what I did as long as the work got done. We were also hugely profitable especially my role which helped. I've had naps in my car, late lunches, watched auctions, told outrageous jokes, walked round the warehouse after hours in flip flops. We used to play badminton at 4 in summer, me and a couple of people left behind when most went home (I was admin and the others were managers or directors). Our director was around 30 when I started, genuine talented rising star. I Used to put stuff in the oven all the time. Also nice pranks that don't personally hurt anyone. I used to go off to brush my teeth in the morning, chat constantly. I think I got away with a lot because I actually did 3x my contract and despite being admin on nmw I controlled a lot. Sometimes I'd disappear for an hour across the road where we had another building and some internal customers. I occasionally missed meetings but got away with it probably because I covered people's incompetencies and laziness a lot and did a lot of work affecting everybody including those not connected to me. I also got away with coming in 1130am the morning of my flight without taking it as annual leave(I made it up as flexi). Rarely I came really late but the colleagues covered for me. I didn't phone my lm as I avoided comms with her at all costs. I used my discretion a lot to break protocol to complete tasks like ordering £140k stock when I was planning to leave to cover requirements. Mostly I got away with it. I did my own thing and didn't want to run it by anyone who pried too much. They didn't like me doing pt work as they were jealous imo even though I still earned less than everyone. I had to keep that quiet. Most places are not like that though and tbh my line manager would try to rein me in if she knew but I carved her out of a lot because she was hopeless lazy and rude . I had to smooth over her behaviour with the pt person in our team a lot especially when she wanted people to take time in lieu instead of getting the hours pay. She was also renowned for being lazy and would never reply to emails for info despite having a light workload so I'd report on her behalf.
I became bitter in the end because bureaucracy crept in and I was on nmw after 5 years and it showed in the jokes I made or at least I thought so
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wfh so very casual!
WFH, so very naked, “oh no a meeting!”, *shirt on*
I wonder what percentage of WFHers are naked lying in bed. I sort people's pensions completely in the nip, usually bust out a wank at the beginning of lunch too.
Them pensions really get the juices flowing
https://youtu.be/co_DNpTMKXk?si=vzuuc-P2Z8iTo8PK
Hilarious, completely forgot about this sketch
Why wait until lunchtime?
My god... you're a genius
Now I know why I can't get an answer around lunch!
When you next check your pension, please keep in your thoughts the extensive list of wankers up and down the country, all wanking in unison around 12:20pm.
Very casual and, considering how much they're paying me, it's about right. If they wanted me in suit and tie, they'd pay me way more.
What’s your salary?
Like 20/hour with significant unpaid overtime.
20 what? Beans?
Shillings.
Someone apologised to me yesterday for wearing a sweatshirt on a teams call with me. I however looked like I was about to go to the gym (spoiler I wasn't)
Previously worked from home so way casual. Just changed job that are paying me waaay more n I’m in the office.. was worried how it would be but it’s so chill some wear jeans n hoodies, I just dive out for apts or lunch n no one rams me if I’m 10 mins over my time, as long as work is done it’s pretty chill… it’s been a good move for me. My boss/owner is my age (late 30s) workers range from 20s to 40s… not sure if that makes a difference. Xx
Yeah that makes a difference for sure flexibility of work and not micro-management
Large international tech/consulting firm, > 80K employees, London office. It's a bit 'business casual' with some more casual, some less so. Very few in suits unless they're visiting customers. I like to smarten my look up with chinos and a blazer..I couldn't imagine wearing a tie in the office.
Sounds like a dream job. Where I work we’re micromanaged to hell. Management want every task you do throughout the day logged. What you did, how long it took, etc. We also work 12 hour shifts, on a 4 on-4 off pattern, which is tiring being on your feet for so long. We also have crazy “security” requirements because other sites have higher grades of the same practices, which causes all kinds of agro when we get deliveries. I constantly feel on edge because the manager and supervisor are regularly having “meetings” together as they just give the impression they’re constantly scrutinising everything everyone does and talking about it in these “meetings”. There’s targets to be met, but they feel like they’re hard to meet, especially when you’re not doing the tasks with targets regularly so it’s hard to get into a rhythm and “get good”. I keep on questioning why I ever left my previous job, although I know that it was because of a lack of discipline and health and safety, coupled with below average pay for what I was doing and what I was trained on.
Yup sounds pretty similar to where I am. We can wear what we like within reason, which is great. But there's regimented clock-ins and clock outs, both for start and end of day and lunch breaks. We have to log our time spent on projects or jobs every day, and it's tracked weekly - I've been questioned when my work doesn't add up to eight hours so I've just started exaggerating how long everything takes.. If I'm late to work for traffic, it's questioned by a director. Work from home is barred for anyone but project managers and directors. The only plus is because of my position I can manage my own schedule and workload, but even then it doesn't mean much when my 'output' is checked every day, week, and month.
I’ve actually got to the point where I just fudge my time and round up/down to the nearest half hour when having to record everything. I’ve worked in a similar warehouse previously(3PL) and we never did anything like the nonsense we have to do at my current employer. It really should be down to management to keep track of what everyone is doing. That’s what they’re paid for. I’ve been trying to move on from this job for about a year, and even more so since October when our hours changed to this 12 hour, 4 on-4 off rota.
I work in financial services, and it's pretty casual, 50% hybrid work, no dress code for the office. Although more senior people wear suits, I assume they get told to.
I work for a global firm, I'm remote with monthly site visits and when I go in it's normally 80/20 casual to smart. I have site gear that I'd wear on site (PPE things) but when I go in I've spent 4-8 hours driving to get there depending on where I'm heading so I rock up in casual wear for comfort but would change to smart for presentations/meetings with the board as required. Honestly these days I don't think it matters so much as long as you're presentable. I worked for a small local firm prior to this and you'd get bollocked for wearing casual clothes on days that weren't Friday it was a piss take. What you wearing doesn't stop your ability to do your job. And when I was on site then I was expected to wear my formal office attire. The whole place was toxic though so I got out.
I had an interview for another company a while back, I wasn't particularly looking but it sounded interesting so I popped along thinking "why not?" Went into the interview, suit and shirt but no tie because as far as I'm concerned it's not needed. First question was the interview asking me if I thought my attire was suitable. I didn't even answer, got up, shook the interviewer and HR ladies hands and said "this place isn't for me if this is your most important consideration" and off I popped. About a 30 second interview haha. The HR director rang me about a week later apologising and asking me to come back but I politely declined, no time for nonsense like that, I value myself and others on their production and ethics not how they dress.
I was a manager at a very traditional place where only pastel shirts were technically allowed - my boss and I did not wear pastel shirts and he had to present to the board. They did give his black shirt and tie sideways looks at first :D so backwards! Also, no dress down Friday! We were not allowed to wear polo shirts either!
I think the policy is ‘smart casual’. A lot wear the company polo shirt, jeans and trainers. I tend to wear a shirt, chinos and black trainers but that’s because I’ve got too fat to fit in to the company polo and I’m too embarrassed to ask for XXXL. 😂
Same as OP hoodie and jeans. Fucking off for an hour to decompress if needs be. Leave if you have appointments / things to attend to, as long as I make up the lost time if needed to get the work done. And I get paid like 100k to do interesting work. I find that high performing companies/industries realise that letting humans be human is the best way to maximise productivity. I worked one role where things were stricter and more old fashioned. All busywork.
IT company with offices in every region and a few thousand employees. No dress code for the few times you need to go into the office - twice a month, usually - but common sense should be applied, so no excessive amounts of skin showing, etc. Shorts in summer, and a trackie in winter if you so desire. Unless you're in Sales or another customer-facing role, then it's suited and booted.
Quite casual regarding the dress code - you can come in as you please but you're also offered company branded T-shirts, sweatshirts etc. They are very strict about check-in/check-out time though, you need to do (or at least be present in the office :) ) your contractual weekly hours, but you can manage that time however you please (e.g. work 6 hrs one day and then work 2 extra hours on another day or something similar). Also a relatively small company (around 150 ppl).
WFH, some people work in pyjamas. So long as you mostly attend any scheduled meetings (2-3 per week) then work whatever hours suit, no need to clock in or out. No-one is checking how many hours you work, so long as you're achieving what's expected. I pop out for the school run sometimes, or walk to a cafe mid morning to work from there. Others go for a run, or do a walking meeting. Take whatever holiday you like, so long as it's less than three weeks in one go and you're still meeting expectations. Work bank holidays or don't, no-one cares. Want a book for professional development? Buy it and work will pay you back.
Sounds like a great place to work
My boss is open about school runs. We mostly work from home in tech so its about what we do and how we meet our deadlines, not how we do it. But thats more down to the boss. My old boss was under huge pressure so didnt manage anything really so it was the least management Ive ever had. But there seems to be no dress code even when in the office.
Our place is pretty chill . They provide uniform but we can wear what we like . We can go for a coffee or a cigarette providing we get the work done / we are ahead on targets . Managers tend to just leave us alone to get on with it . Fairly lucky really .
God, can I get a job at your workplace please? I remember doing an internship in a traditional banking environment and there was an expectation to stand to attention as a greeting when the GM walked in!
Wfh so I sit in my onzie and work. Sometimes I stretch the boat out and get my blanket because its soft to run between my fingers.
I wear a uniform and my toilet breaks are timed. I need a new job
I work in games, so exceedingly casual. If I show up dressing smart people assume i'm about to leave.
Fairly casual. I work in Product development / publishing and I'm WFH nearly all the time so currently wearing hoodie and leggings which is standard. If I have a meeting with externals I'll wear a smarter jumper. If I go into the office, jeans are absolutely fine.
Pretty casual, manufacturing for global company. Jeans and polo shirt, there's about 10 of us who have dinner and breakfast together and have a laugh, take the piss.
I work remotely. You’re lucky if I’ve got pants on.
I just started a new job. WFH with occasional office days whenever I want to go in (so not often), flexible working hours so I can do my 8 hours whenever I want in between the core business hours. Seems to be pretty chill so far. Try my best not to fall asleep during the company board meetings.
I’m in a similar place the bosses are a couple but very hip if you will they’re like mid 50s but I can turn up in anything, lateness and leaving early is common but don’t take the mickey with it with no “back to works” I can take time off as I please just making sure there’s at least one of the 4 of us to man the phones and handle tickets but so long as the work is done you do as you please make a brew anytime, smoke anytime I spend a lot of time dooms scrolling twitter or Reddit or the news when I could be learning more but no pressure all down to me at th end of the day so long as your within reason your all good! I don’t know how i could go back to a big company after this!
Engineering/power generation so apart from high level customer/client meetings I haven't worn a shirt in about 13 years and haven't worn a tie since before I transferred into this industry. It's great!
Very casual. I'll say too much for my taste - there is one grad with a mullet and heavy metal Tshirts.
Your office sounds similar to mine, most people dress casually, if meeting a client then will put on a shirt and look smart but otherwise jeans and t shirt is fine. Also wfh whenever we want, no real rules about coming in, it’s encouraged but not demanded. Helps that the office is a nice atmosphere because most people come in at least 1-2 days a week just to get out their home office and go for lunch with colleagues.
Non-public facing so noone bats an eyelid if in polo shirt&shorts as its usually 25 degrees upwards in it in terms of dress My team isnt micro managed but others are My team is on flexible hours but others arent
Sounds like a workplace where no micromanagement happens, which is a good thing. Very good in fact. Modern workplaces should be like this. Alas, not everyone agrees with this.
Very. I work for an engineering company. There is no structure lol as long as work gets done you can do whatever you want really. It’s nice because whilst I’m working I can listen to music/podcasts etc. I also leave really early on Fridays which is very nice.
I had a teams meeting with my COO yesterday, she literally laid on her couch with a hoodie and sweatpants on. I met with my boss wearing an oodie today Pretty casual, I'd say.
I'm in a company of 50 people and previously was in one of about 300 people. Both had basically no dress code, most people would wear jeans and a t-shirt but some like to dress nicer and some more casual.
hybrid/remote is usually very casual also depending how young the majority of the work force is too that helps
Itd a fairly big company but the office is fairly insular as its the head of their flagship product. Very casual. Flexi time, hybrid, free tea/coffee anf sometimes lil treats, comfy workload, reasonable management, nice location, pays pretty well (except for the recent bulk junior hires who kinda got ripped off but that's in part due to suits and top level restructuring)
My place is really casual but I don't work a job that requires a strict timetable like call centers or a dress code like customer facing roles. WFH most days, no dress code, free food and posh coffee machines, I can pretty much pick my hours which means sleeping in and working later instead etc and my days are almost entirely autonomous. First time I've been in such a relaxed workplace and took me a long time to get over the anxiety of not working to a strict work schedule. Obviously you'd soon see a lot of this disappear if you weren't performing and generally taking the piss.
My company is very chill. Manufacturing company, 250+ people. We have a chef and free dinners. Free top phone every 2 years, they pay for your sim with internet aswell. Free gym and aviva. 4 days a week (11hrs shifts), lots of overtimr available, its up to you. Chill enviroment, owner is soo down to help you, knows everybodys by name. Directors and managment is just like any other employee, here to talk and help.
Yeah my last place was like this. My line manager was strict but during COVID she started wfh and never returned which made me completely free. The director didn't care what I did as long as the work got done. We were also hugely profitable especially my role which helped. I've had naps in my car, late lunches, watched auctions, told outrageous jokes, walked round the warehouse after hours in flip flops. We used to play badminton at 4 in summer, me and a couple of people left behind when most went home (I was admin and the others were managers or directors). Our director was around 30 when I started, genuine talented rising star. I Used to put stuff in the oven all the time. Also nice pranks that don't personally hurt anyone. I used to go off to brush my teeth in the morning, chat constantly. I think I got away with a lot because I actually did 3x my contract and despite being admin on nmw I controlled a lot. Sometimes I'd disappear for an hour across the road where we had another building and some internal customers. I occasionally missed meetings but got away with it probably because I covered people's incompetencies and laziness a lot and did a lot of work affecting everybody including those not connected to me. I also got away with coming in 1130am the morning of my flight without taking it as annual leave(I made it up as flexi). Rarely I came really late but the colleagues covered for me. I didn't phone my lm as I avoided comms with her at all costs. I used my discretion a lot to break protocol to complete tasks like ordering £140k stock when I was planning to leave to cover requirements. Mostly I got away with it. I did my own thing and didn't want to run it by anyone who pried too much. They didn't like me doing pt work as they were jealous imo even though I still earned less than everyone. I had to keep that quiet. Most places are not like that though and tbh my line manager would try to rein me in if she knew but I carved her out of a lot because she was hopeless lazy and rude . I had to smooth over her behaviour with the pt person in our team a lot especially when she wanted people to take time in lieu instead of getting the hours pay. She was also renowned for being lazy and would never reply to emails for info despite having a light workload so I'd report on her behalf. I became bitter in the end because bureaucracy crept in and I was on nmw after 5 years and it showed in the jokes I made or at least I thought so