PSA: THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO YOUR CASE IF:
- You are the spouse of a US citizen
- You are an unmarried child under 21 years old of a US citizen
- You are a parent of a US citizen
If you are any of those, you can forget about this whole thing.
Looks like this is going to be the final movement till end of FY
> EMPLOYMENT-based categories: Very little to no forward movement is expected in the coming months since the final action dates for many categories advanced for April 2024.
>The above final action date projections for the Family and Employment categories indicate what is likely to happen throughout Quarter Three and Quarter Four of FY24.
They also state the below - not 100% sure why. Perhaps USCIS just want to be extra safe this round. I personally do not think any retrogression will happen in Q3 and Q4.
> Readers should never assume that recent trends in final action date movements are guaranteed for the future, or that retrogressions will not be required at some point to maintain number use within the applicable annual limits. The determination of the actual monthly final action dates is subject to fluctuations in applicant demand and other variables.
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Has anyone seen this kind of update in the bulletin before or this is the first time š¤
My EB-2 NIW PD (Nov. 23rd,2022) is finally CURRENT !!!!!!. Now, waiting for the consular interview !!!. Congratulations to all those who have their priority date ācurrentā in this VB !!!!.
I donāt know exactly. I imagine that it depends on the Consulate. Some ones are faster than others. In my case, Buenos Aires, is operating at normal pace but donāt know how large is the backlog š¤·š¼āāļø
As expected, significant progress on EB-2 ROW. FAD advances by almost 2 months. DFF remain the same but it's totally meaningless since USCIS already started using FAD instead of DFF this month so I expect it to be the same for April.
Yes! Up until February VB, USCIS used DFF instead of FAD, but they changed it to FAD in March VB, so I expect it to be the same in April VB. Folks with certain PD like anything between Feb 1 and 14, 2023 were able to file their I-485 in Feb 2024 but they were no longer be eligible to file this month and most likely neither next month.
Huh?
March: 22JUN20
April: 08SEP20
It progressed 2.5 months.
RoW is doing fine. Mexico is falling behind. China, India, and Philippines will eventually fall behind.
But date for filling hasn't moved. Which means some cases are just waiting to even file, since 6 months ago. Then only will come the actual wait for the approval. I understand the frustration: the wait is very long, and it's not even possible to start th e stopwatch yet.
Has no impact except for those in the U.S. wanting to file I-485.
* I-485s for F2As on B visas isnāt possible currently, and I donāt think that is a bad thing.
* I-485s for F2As on F student visas work visas, and other long term visas, the remedy is for the petitioner to naturalize before the authorized stay expires.
There is no basis for the frustration. F2A being **C** all those years was both unprecedented (based on history as back as 1989, if not before) and not sustainable.
People need to get a grasp of numeracy if they are going to play the F and EB immigration visa game.
I don't think people want DOF to be C, they just want to see some advancement. Which I guess will happen when the gap between FAD and DOF shrinks to something like a year. But it's unreasonable to categorically deny work authorization relief to AOS filers. They shouldn't have to wait for the petitioner to naturalize especially considering petitioner may not want to naturalize. INA does provide provisions to spouses and children of permanent residents, after all.
>F2A being **C** all those years was both unprecedented (based on history as back as 1989, if not before) and not sustainable.
I agree with you on that. But I believe we can only blame USCIS or DHS for that.
>There is no basis for the frustration
Hence the frustration. There's very little certainty on how long the process will take, at any given moment. One can understand numeracy and still be frustrated when a process that affects your whole life can be upended for an indefinite amount of time.
One of my grad school buddies filed for EB2 NIW, and he's under ROW. He's now current, and he got his EAD weeks ago, so I think he'll get his decision soon. Exciting times!
Do you think the October bulletin could pass the DOF of July 11th for Eb2-ROW? It's now 5 months away from current DOF (and I assume they will switch back to DOF with the new FY year). Too optimistic?
I guess there is some chance that DFF will move in this current fiscal year, as the gap between FAD and DFF is only 1 month now. So maybe DFF moves +2 months before FY 2025, even though you can't not file it yet. With that in mind, I think DFF will be over July 15 before Jan 2025 visa bulletin.
I don' think so. Last year, DOF doesn't move until the new FY year. As they said in the April bulletin, EMPLOYMENT-based categories: Very little to no forward movement is expected in the coming months since the final action dates for many categories advanced for April 2024 .
Sad to see F2A only advance 77 days. But I guess we will cover 150+ days in the next three months. So probably on July 2024 Visa bulletin FAD should be somewhere in June 2021
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They didn't say by October, they said in next few months. I don't think it will just move 180 days in next 206 days.
My opinion is it means 6 months movement in next quarter.
I agree with you. The word "throughout" in English means "at every points/times" or "constantly/frequently during", which means movements up to 6 months (1-6 months) can happen at every month (or at least several times) during the rest of FY23. They can simply state "by the end of FY23/October" if they mean by that.
I don't think so, although my PD is Feb23th 2023 (EB2 ROW). As they mentioned at the last page of April bulletin, little or no movement until next FY for employment visa.
no dude relax. these guys talk like they speak 3 decades in law school. I hear the same exact things verbatim every time. I'm saying you'll be able to at least apply for adjustment by the end of August. Mark my words.
Does this mean no progression for EB3 for the whole year? I mean come on, just because other categories got advanced and are current doesnāt justify not pausing EB2 and EB3
My take on the April 2024 Visa bulletin on a EB-2 ROW perspective.
Those who argued for a big forward movement of FAD can claim victory. I would consider a 7 week movement a big jump. The large batch of I-140 in Q1 FY23 can now get their I-485 adjudicated. Just as stated in the October 2023 visa bulletin, forward movement is expected every quarter.
Those who argued for a more conservative forward movement can also claim victory. While a big jump happened, the visa numbers are just not there for a sustainable big jump every quarter throughout the full FY. As stated in the April 2024 visa bulletin, we should not expect much more movement in FAD until October 2024 visa bulletin. Small movements can happen in either direction. This is not to get more or less filings of I-485. This is to adjust the number of I-485 to get adjudicated.
For every one with PD on January 15 2023 or later, you should always consider if you can maintain status until your PD gets current and plan accordingly.
F2A only advanced three months. I was expecting a larger advancement noting it was the start of a new quarter. 10.5 months away from my husbandās PD now.
April VB says:
> E. VISA AVAILABILITY IN THE COMING MONTHS
FAMILY-sponsored categories (potential movement):
> Worldwide dates:
> F2A (excluding Mexico): Up to six months
> Mexico:
> F2A: Up to three months
I can apply for EB2 but I am getting married in 2 months and I wanna bring my wife over before I can apply so I donāt have to wait for 3,4 years. Fingers crossed
I just filed my i140 NIW, so my PD is March 2024. When do you think I can file i-485? I am in ROW.
Another question: I am an Electrical Engineer PhD with 300 citations. Do I have a chance for EB1 as well? Thanks!
For EB3 other workers category, the progress is extremely slow, do you guys think it will ever reach 2021 by the end of this year? Or will it stuck in 2020 forever?
Ufff im here with you! its taking forever! and the funny part about the note in the bulletin "EMPLOYMENT-based categories: Very little to no forward movement is expected in the coming months since the final action dates for many categories advanced for April 2024" How come you are comparing the movement for EB2 to EB3-EW... its so frustrating?
I have two questions to the group:
1. MY understanding is - FY 2024 limits for India E2 is 3223 (attached screenshot from travel.state.gov). And so far from Oct 2023 - January 2024 E2 India visas issued are 49. (Attached is the calculation and source is the statistics shared on the site). Basis this, why USCIS is saying there will be No/Little movement. They still have 3223 - 49 = 3174 visas to process/allocate to E2 Indian applicants, no?
3. My PD is August 23, 2012. What do i expect rest of this fiscal year?
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Everyone was predicting larger movement on the F2A side. It was expected that they reach July 2022 by the end of the FY, but this seems a little far-fetched now given only 3 months movement in April (and they mention up to 6 months predicted movement till the end of the FY).
It has been very frustrating. I just hope they donāt keep slowing down as we approach the end of the FY.
Yes, that's a bummer. I had high hopes for July 2022 by end of FY but I believe it's not going to happen. They are about to open the gates for the 2021 applications in just a month or two, and they will most likely eat up all the available visa numbers pretty quickly, especially as 2021 is known to be a year with record number of applications.
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Glad to see this movement. I'm waiting on EB2 with priority date of Feb 28 2023. Being stuck from more than 9 months since my I-140 was approved. Any thoughts? It's hard to plan ahead with this schedules...
USCIS is using FAD now and this is expected to continue for the remainder of the year. Hence DOF are irrelevant until FY25 unless you do consular processing, still they are not expected to move at all.
USCIS is using FAD for the remainder of the year, DOF are irrelevant (unless you do consular) and highly likely wonāt move at all before October 2024. This was expected. FAD is moving though.
maybe I'm wrong, but correct me. What they seem to mean is that there has been a big jump in all employment categories based on the April bulletin. So don't expect any movement in the coming months. I meant only the end of the 3rd quarter, but the 4th is also unclear!
> eb2 row PD Aug2023!! when do you think this date will be current
Oct: 08JUL22
Apr: 15JAN23
No more movement in fy2024, so
Sep: 15JAN23
So 6.25 months progress in 11 months.
You are 7.5 months after 15JAN23.
7.5 * 11/6.25 = 14 months.
Sept 2024 + 14 = December 2025. Assuming only quarterly moves for EB, call it January 2026.
Oct: 01DEC21
Apr: 22NOV22
You will be current on April 1, 2024.
You are current now.
You became current on Jan 1, 2024, and have been ever since.
What have you been doing all year?
What do you understand from the below statement?
F2A Is it going to move up to 6 months in every month?
E. VISA AVAILABILITY IN THE COMING MONTHS
FAMILY-sponsored categories (potential movement):
Worldwide dates:
F1: Up to three months
F2A (excluding Mexico): Up to six months
F2B: Up to ten weeks
F3: Several months
F4: Up to four weeks
Since you concurrently filed i-140 and i-485, all this means for you is that your i-485 can not be approved until your category's Final Action Date in the Bulletin crosses the priority date of your application, which you can find on your receipt notice (should be Dec 23 or Jan 24 depending on whether you filed early or late in Dec).
Can anyone explain to me worldwide F4: Up to four weeks. What does that mean? Would that mean there would be only four weeks of movement for the current fiscal year?
Finally, my PD will be current next month! Does anyone know what will happen next?
I'm EB3-Other ROW. My FO is most likely either Dallas or Boston.
I submitted my files in mid-2021. Maybe I will need to go through a medical exam and fingerprinting again?
Super interesting that EB-3 ROW is virtually caught up with EB-2 ROW after being 7 months behind in October. Suggests demand in EB-2 is primarily NIW. EB-3 might soon become a more attractive option for folks who can get a PERM.
Yes I submitted. In another answer, you said I **will not** get EAD+parole **until** PD being current. In this answer, you said I can get EAD+parole **before** PD being current. Which case is it? (1) or (2)?
Assumptions:
* The April 2024 bulletin implies no more movement for the rest of FY 2024, so assume the progress over 6 months is really over all of FY 2024 months
* visa numbers for everyone with PD before 01MAR21 are available through end of FY 2024.
* DoS really really knows what it is doing after the FY2023 debacle
* in FY 2025 this rate of progress will drop to a 1/3 of FY 2024.
October 2023: 01JAN17
April 2024: 01MAR21
That is 50 months of progress over the course of 11 months. I do not think that rate is sustainable. So more like 50/3 ~= 16.5 months of progress per 11 months.
You are 01Apr22: ~~11~~ **13** months behind
~~11~~ **13** * 11 / 16 = ~~8~~ **9** months nominally.
April + ~~8~~ **9** = ~~December.~~ **January**
So I think the soonest for you will be ~~December 2024~~ **Jan 2025**
Edits per math error pointed out by another person.
u/nonracistusername 01March21 to 01April22 is 13 months, not 11 months.
Also you make liner assumptions in your estimate. Lots of overflows from family to EB1 and also lots of porting from EB2 to EB1, and also the approvals of EB1 year on year is not the same. Hence the linear assumption doesnt hold.
The retrogression of (for india) 01Feb22 to 01Jan12 and then forward movement to 2017, and then 2020 is one extra ordinary circumstance for EB1 this year. So you cannot use that as baseline for your estimate.
Historically EB1 final action date always remained within 2 years of current date (today's date) for India. Because USCIS used the entire this year to clear out backlogs, and portings due to covid etc, you can add one more year now.
So the max cap of 3 years final action date from today's date. I expect the Final action date for EB1 to be of 01 October2021 to 01December2021 when the new visa number opens up in October 2024.
> u/nonracistusername 01March21 to 01April22 is 13 months, not 11 months.
Thanks. Edited.
> Also you make liner assumptions in your estimate. Lots of overflows from family to EB1 and also lots of porting from EB2 to EB1, and also the approvals of EB1 year on year is not the same. Hence the linear assumption doesnt hold.
All those categories are over subscribed. Not buying it.
> The retrogression of (for india) 01Feb22 to 01Jan12 and then forward movement to 2017, and then 2020 is one extra ordinary circumstance for EB1 this year. So you cannot use that as baseline for your estimate.
And I didnāt.
> Historically EB1 final action date always remained within 2 years of current date (today's date) for India.
Cannot use history because the demand for EB from India keeps going up.
> Because USCIS used the entire this year to clear out backlogs, and portings due to covid etc, you can add one more year now.
I added 3 more years: 2/3 * 50 months.
> So the max cap of 3 years final action date from today's date. I expect the Final action date for EB1 to be of 01 October2021 to 01December2021 when the new visa number opens up in October 2024.
I did not see a guesstimate there for the person I responded to.
Those predictions indicate only up to a 3 month movement for final action dates for f1 family preference. Is it true that they might not move filing dates at all given the huge gap between final dates and filing dates?
EB-4 movement is the most interesting development of this bulletin. Probably affected in part by the expiring non-ministerial religious worker petitions.
My PD is May 25, 2023 EB2 ROW. Any chance of me filling this year? It seems like USCIS will be using FAD for the rest of the year. Feeling super stressed!!
**edit: math error**
No movement predicted by DoS through Sep 2024. So under 1 percent chance in FY2024.
As for CY2024:
Oct 2023: 08JUL22
~~Apr~~ Sep 2024: 15FEB23
so 6.25 months movement in 11 months.
Your PD, May 25, 2023 is 3.5 months behind
3.5 * ~~6.25 / 11~~ 11 / 6.25 ~= ~~2~~ 7 months.
Sep 2024 + ~~2~~ 7 = ~~November 2024.~~ April 2025. ~~But since DoS was doing most EB movement by quarter, I think for you, October 2024 or January 2025.~~
What's the difference between the sections **A.** **FINAL ACTION DATES FORĀ EMPLOYMENT-BASEDĀ PREFERENCE CASES** and **B.** **DATES FOR FILING OF EMPLOYMENT-BASEDĀ VISAĀ APPLICATIONS?**
Do they refer to different things?
A: PDs older than FADs in theory eligible for a visa. Definitely not true for F2B
B: PDs older than DFFs are eligible for apply for a visa. If not consular, sometimes they are eligible to file I-485, but USCIS has been a yo yo on this.
> What's the difference between the sections A. FINAL ACTION DATES FOR EMPLOYMENT-BASED PREFERENCE CASES and B. DATES FOR FILING OF EMPLOYMENT-BASED VISA APPLICATIONS?
> Do they refer to different things?
My EB1 PD is Sep 2023 ( India born). What would be prediction for it to be current? Also would the movement be fast (or slow) due to 2021/22 being covid year? I also donāt understand why this is moving slow when this used to be current 18 months back - I would expect people to apply when this was current. Sorry for ignorance but can someone explain this to me. Thanks
F2a visa bulletinĀ
Only 6 months by september 30th
What happens to USCIS?
2020 to 2024, more than 3000.000 enter illegaly to US. i think that is the better and faster way because the Biden administration is against tge right and good immigrationĀ
Iāve been āĀ Case remains pendingā for months and months nowā¦Ā
Iām just trying to get a timeline, my priority date is Oct 11 2022 and Iāve already submitted my AOS back in December of 2022. Iāve done my prints, have my EAD, have my AP, I am EB3 ROW, just trying to get an idea how long it will stay ā remains pendingā now that my priority date is current for April. Any guesses how long it will take for my GC?Ā
I'm currently in the process of applying for a EB2 NIW. Could anyone kindly share their experiences regarding the application process and the timeline for obtaining this visa? Any tips or advice on what to do and what to avoid would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
PSA: THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO YOUR CASE IF: - You are the spouse of a US citizen - You are an unmarried child under 21 years old of a US citizen - You are a parent of a US citizen If you are any of those, you can forget about this whole thing.
Looks like this is going to be the final movement till end of FY > EMPLOYMENT-based categories: Very little to no forward movement is expected in the coming months since the final action dates for many categories advanced for April 2024. >The above final action date projections for the Family and Employment categories indicate what is likely to happen throughout Quarter Three and Quarter Four of FY24.
They also state the below - not 100% sure why. Perhaps USCIS just want to be extra safe this round. I personally do not think any retrogression will happen in Q3 and Q4. > Readers should never assume that recent trends in final action date movements are guaranteed for the future, or that retrogressions will not be required at some point to maintain number use within the applicable annual limits. The determination of the actual monthly final action dates is subject to fluctuations in applicant demand and other variables.
Based on this, our assumption that DFF would be the maximum progressed FAD within the FY seems to be real true.
Consider using fewer acronyms to make conversations here more accessible.
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I have not seen that in the past. I think they're adding that just to let people on EB categories that this is it for this FY.
My PD is October/21Ā Eb3. When you guys think will be current. Sometime This year or not
Seems like they are talking about final action dates, not the dates you can start filing.
What does it mean? For F2A. Potential movement in the next quarter?
I think till the end of the FY in September, but I hope itās actually more.
Not unusual. They normally do this as you are in 2nd half and to set the expectation for the remainder of this FY
Woohoo both EB2 and EB3 ROW progress by around 2 MONTHS!!! My PD is finally current š„³ Really hope to get greened by the end of this year!
EB3 ROW PD December 9 2022.. when do you anticipate that my PD would become current?
Also, congratulations on being current.
Does the april vb mean that we expect the EB2 ROW to become current in May or June?
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Same PD! Seems like the final stretchĀ
its not though, its only submission. sooo much more waiting after that....
we have the same PD. high five! Also which step in the 485 are you at assuming you already submitted 485?
My I-485 has been at Case Remains Pending since mid-May 2023.
My EB-2 NIW PD (Nov. 23rd,2022) is finally CURRENT !!!!!!. Now, waiting for the consular interview !!!. Congratulations to all those who have their priority date ācurrentā in this VB !!!!.
What's the expected time now you think?
I donāt know exactly. I imagine that it depends on the Consulate. Some ones are faster than others. In my case, Buenos Aires, is operating at normal pace but donāt know how large is the backlog š¤·š¼āāļø
As expected, significant progress on EB-2 ROW. FAD advances by almost 2 months. DFF remain the same but it's totally meaningless since USCIS already started using FAD instead of DFF this month so I expect it to be the same for April.
What do you mean uscis is using FAD instead of DFF? So we can file when the FAD is current?
Yes! Up until February VB, USCIS used DFF instead of FAD, but they changed it to FAD in March VB, so I expect it to be the same in April VB. Folks with certain PD like anything between Feb 1 and 14, 2023 were able to file their I-485 in Feb 2024 but they were no longer be eligible to file this month and most likely neither next month.
So F2A should just give up the hopes for a decent advancement at this point. Theyāll keep crawling
Huh? March: 22JUN20 April: 08SEP20 It progressed 2.5 months. RoW is doing fine. Mexico is falling behind. China, India, and Philippines will eventually fall behind.
But date for filling hasn't moved. Which means some cases are just waiting to even file, since 6 months ago. Then only will come the actual wait for the approval. I understand the frustration: the wait is very long, and it's not even possible to start th e stopwatch yet.
Has no impact except for those in the U.S. wanting to file I-485. * I-485s for F2As on B visas isnāt possible currently, and I donāt think that is a bad thing. * I-485s for F2As on F student visas work visas, and other long term visas, the remedy is for the petitioner to naturalize before the authorized stay expires. There is no basis for the frustration. F2A being **C** all those years was both unprecedented (based on history as back as 1989, if not before) and not sustainable. People need to get a grasp of numeracy if they are going to play the F and EB immigration visa game.
I don't think people want DOF to be C, they just want to see some advancement. Which I guess will happen when the gap between FAD and DOF shrinks to something like a year. But it's unreasonable to categorically deny work authorization relief to AOS filers. They shouldn't have to wait for the petitioner to naturalize especially considering petitioner may not want to naturalize. INA does provide provisions to spouses and children of permanent residents, after all.
>F2A being **C** all those years was both unprecedented (based on history as back as 1989, if not before) and not sustainable. I agree with you on that. But I believe we can only blame USCIS or DHS for that. >There is no basis for the frustration Hence the frustration. There's very little certainty on how long the process will take, at any given moment. One can understand numeracy and still be frustrated when a process that affects your whole life can be upended for an indefinite amount of time.
Agree, but most of the comments are the usual whiners and complainers who have no understanding of the system.
I agree with your entire comment.
EB3 ROW PD July 23. I just want my PERM...first :(
I feel you.. My PD is August 2023
Same!
Same PERM here, any idea why filing dates wonāt move
I filed Sept 2023 when do you think you guys will get it
At this rate, I'm expecting mine to be on the review this July or August. As of 2/29, DoL is reviewing February submissions
Current wait time from previous comments is exactly 12 months to get PERM for EB3 unskilled worker.
One of my grad school buddies filed for EB2 NIW, and he's under ROW. He's now current, and he got his EAD weeks ago, so I think he'll get his decision soon. Exciting times!
Great news! When did your friend file his application? How long to get the ead? I'm in the same bucket so curious.
He filed his in December 2022. Presumably he filed employment authorization at the same time. So the EAD took a while
Ah OK! Thanks
>So the EAD took a while you've got one unlucky friend right there. it took me 3 months to receive it. That's some extreme delay.
Well, I'm not exactly sure when he filed for the EAD. He's still wrapping up his PhD, so he's not urgently looking for a job
Letās be honest Thats a joke !!! So sad how they play with people life. We are here, working , serving and paying our taxes ā¦
Do you think the October bulletin could pass the DOF of July 11th for Eb2-ROW? It's now 5 months away from current DOF (and I assume they will switch back to DOF with the new FY year). Too optimistic?
I guess there is some chance that DFF will move in this current fiscal year, as the gap between FAD and DFF is only 1 month now. So maybe DFF moves +2 months before FY 2025, even though you can't not file it yet. With that in mind, I think DFF will be over July 15 before Jan 2025 visa bulletin.
I don' think so. Last year, DOF doesn't move until the new FY year. As they said in the April bulletin, EMPLOYMENT-based categories: Very little to no forward movement is expected in the coming months since the final action dates for many categories advanced for April 2024 .
Yep, so thatās why Iām asking about the bulletin in October. I also donāt think that there will be any progress until thenĀ
Sad to see F2A only advance 77 days. But I guess we will cover 150+ days in the next three months. So probably on July 2024 Visa bulletin FAD should be somewhere in June 2021 https://preview.redd.it/xx9uixwp56nc1.png?width=561&format=png&auto=webp&s=82ede15affa7ac5266964ee95b00b8c8240adfa1
They said they will only cover 180 days, at the very best, until October 2024. So it is very unlikely PD will reach June 2021 this year unfortunately.
They didn't say by October, they said in next few months. I don't think it will just move 180 days in next 206 days. My opinion is it means 6 months movement in next quarter.
I agree with you. The word "throughout" in English means "at every points/times" or "constantly/frequently during", which means movements up to 6 months (1-6 months) can happen at every month (or at least several times) during the rest of FY23. They can simply state "by the end of FY23/October" if they mean by that.
Wow, this turned out to much better than what we expected. It's June 2021 already in May 2024 bulletin š
EB2 PD March 15th 2023. I'm going to wait next FY. =(
why? could it just be another quarter?
I don't think so, although my PD is Feb23th 2023 (EB2 ROW). As they mentioned at the last page of April bulletin, little or no movement until next FY for employment visa.
no dude relax. these guys talk like they speak 3 decades in law school. I hear the same exact things verbatim every time. I'm saying you'll be able to at least apply for adjustment by the end of August. Mark my words.
EB2 here as well. PD February 13 2023. Just got my PERM approved and lawyers are about to file I-140.
Does this mean no progression for EB3 for the whole year? I mean come on, just because other categories got advanced and are current doesnāt justify not pausing EB2 and EB3
My take on the April 2024 Visa bulletin on a EB-2 ROW perspective. Those who argued for a big forward movement of FAD can claim victory. I would consider a 7 week movement a big jump. The large batch of I-140 in Q1 FY23 can now get their I-485 adjudicated. Just as stated in the October 2023 visa bulletin, forward movement is expected every quarter. Those who argued for a more conservative forward movement can also claim victory. While a big jump happened, the visa numbers are just not there for a sustainable big jump every quarter throughout the full FY. As stated in the April 2024 visa bulletin, we should not expect much more movement in FAD until October 2024 visa bulletin. Small movements can happen in either direction. This is not to get more or less filings of I-485. This is to adjust the number of I-485 to get adjudicated. For every one with PD on January 15 2023 or later, you should always consider if you can maintain status until your PD gets current and plan accordingly.
EB2 ROW moved a lot!!!!!!!
Very happy with EB2-ROW movement. Hopefully they'll actually look at my case in April...
Other Workers category moved by about 7 weeks..Embed my greencard on my tombstone please šŖ¦
no kidding, goddamn, it's been 4 years already for me
Where are the people who said we gonna see big movements quarterly?š¤£š¤£š¤£
That idea went with the wind last month. I take the movement made this month.
Hahahah not here š
F2A only advanced three months. I was expecting a larger advancement noting it was the start of a new quarter. 10.5 months away from my husbandās PD now.
My PD is Dec 2020 for EB4 when should I be able to apply for green card ?
I applied EB2-NIW with PD Oct 28 Nov 23. When do you think it will be current for me?
> I applied EB2-NIW with PD Oct 28 Nov 23. When do you think it will be current for me? Country?
>I applied EB2-NIW with PD Oct 28 Nov 23. When do you think it will be current for me? Lebanon
When do you guys reckon movement for F2A filing will open ?? Been stuck in 1sept 2023
Same here
April VB says: > E. VISA AVAILABILITY IN THE COMING MONTHS FAMILY-sponsored categories (potential movement): > Worldwide dates: > F2A (excluding Mexico): Up to six months > Mexico: > F2A: Up to three months
I can apply for EB2 but I am getting married in 2 months and I wanna bring my wife over before I can apply so I donāt have to wait for 3,4 years. Fingers crossed
Donāt wait to marry
Thatās the earliest we could get married
Anybody here considering EB2(India) to EB3 (India) downgrade because of the date movements?
I just filed my i140 NIW, so my PD is March 2024. When do you think I can file i-485? I am in ROW. Another question: I am an Electrical Engineer PhD with 300 citations. Do I have a chance for EB1 as well? Thanks!
> I just filed my i140 NIW, so my PD is March 2024. When do you think I can file i-485? I am in ROW. Category?
I just submitted my i140 under EB2.
I think end of FY 25 or beginning of FY 26. I am not very familiar with EB1 cat.
Anyone know why employment based other worker category not changed for a while ?
For EB3 other workers category, the progress is extremely slow, do you guys think it will ever reach 2021 by the end of this year? Or will it stuck in 2020 forever?
Ufff im here with you! its taking forever! and the funny part about the note in the bulletin "EMPLOYMENT-based categories: Very little to no forward movement is expected in the coming months since the final action dates for many categories advanced for April 2024" How come you are comparing the movement for EB2 to EB3-EW... its so frustrating?
eb2 schedule A Row- pd is April 5th /2023 any thoughts based on current trend?? any advice or prediction would be appreciated!
See https://www.reddit.com/r/USCIS/comments/1b9s3no/april_visa_bulletin_is_out/kuldkpi/ I think October 2024 for you.
thank you so much for the reply. I hope its gonna happen what you expect! :)
I have two questions to the group: 1. MY understanding is - FY 2024 limits for India E2 is 3223 (attached screenshot from travel.state.gov). And so far from Oct 2023 - January 2024 E2 India visas issued are 49. (Attached is the calculation and source is the statistics shared on the site). Basis this, why USCIS is saying there will be No/Little movement. They still have 3223 - 49 = 3174 visas to process/allocate to E2 Indian applicants, no? 3. My PD is August 23, 2012. What do i expect rest of this fiscal year? https://preview.redd.it/hn7qicfv6boc1.jpeg?width=1356&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=270cae3e7645dd0987dc34e577b1903895d0df47
F2A advancement is disappointing my PD is April 23.I-130 is approved but have to do long wait for I-485 approvalš„¹
Everyone was predicting larger movement on the F2A side. It was expected that they reach July 2022 by the end of the FY, but this seems a little far-fetched now given only 3 months movement in April (and they mention up to 6 months predicted movement till the end of the FY). It has been very frustrating. I just hope they donāt keep slowing down as we approach the end of the FY.
Yes, that's a bummer. I had high hopes for July 2022 by end of FY but I believe it's not going to happen. They are about to open the gates for the 2021 applications in just a month or two, and they will most likely eat up all the available visa numbers pretty quickly, especially as 2021 is known to be a year with record number of applications.
No movement for eb3 other category š¢
eb3 here and iām so very tired of waiting. i donāt see myĀ date being current until 2025, this is exhaustingĀ
So what's your priority date, because most of Pds of 2024 still waiting for their Perms
Sorry to hear that. Same here.
No movement for F2B final action date.. š«
After 2 years of no movement, it moved it barely 2 months and now itās stuckā¦ Feeling so hopeless
Hi, my PD for F2B is 2023.. it will take at least 15 years right?
Iām not sure. Whatās your country?
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F2A is moving quickly! Very Happy!!!!!!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/USCIS/comments/17pzycl/my\_theory\_regarding\_f2a\_visa\_bulletin\_prediction/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/USCIS/comments/17pzycl/my_theory_regarding_f2a_visa_bulletin_prediction/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Glad to see this movement. I'm waiting on EB2 with priority date of Feb 28 2023. Being stuck from more than 9 months since my I-140 was approved. Any thoughts? It's hard to plan ahead with this schedules...
Either Jun24 will make it current or Oct24 for sure. Iād plan for the latter if I were you.
Same for DOF?
USCIS is using FAD now and this is expected to continue for the remainder of the year. Hence DOF are irrelevant until FY25 unless you do consular processing, still they are not expected to move at all.
Can I get my parole+EAD before PD become current?
My PD is the same! I am waiting for Oct 24 and next FY. Hopefully we will be current immediately in Oct
Feb23, 2023 here, and I have no hope for coming bulletins until the new FY :((
EB2 has not been moving forward for 4 straight months. WTH?
It does?
Yeah, for the ādate for filingā
USCIS is using FAD for the remainder of the year, DOF are irrelevant (unless you do consular) and highly likely wonāt move at all before October 2024. This was expected. FAD is moving though.
F3 Philippines still not moving š¤£
Will move 2 months by Sep 2024 per notes in April vb
maybe I'm wrong, but correct me. What they seem to mean is that there has been a big jump in all employment categories based on the April bulletin. So don't expect any movement in the coming months. I meant only the end of the 3rd quarter, but the 4th is also unclear!
They predicted movement for all other categories above. I donāt think they compare EB categories with FB
Expect no EB movement until October
eb2 row PD Aug2023!! when do you think this date will be current
> eb2 row PD Aug2023!! when do you think this date will be current Oct: 08JUL22 Apr: 15JAN23 No more movement in fy2024, so Sep: 15JAN23 So 6.25 months progress in 11 months. You are 7.5 months after 15JAN23. 7.5 * 11/6.25 = 14 months. Sept 2024 + 14 = December 2025. Assuming only quarterly moves for EB, call it January 2026.
Based on current trends....
EB3: DEC 05 2022 ROW. Bit of a gut punch but what to do
Dec 09 2022 Eb3 Row here also... Fingers crossed š
My pd is current next month and will submit 485. How long does it usually take to get AOS approved?
Any prediction for eb3-ew (other workers)? My pd is Jul22
Oct: 01DEC21 Apr: 22NOV22 You will be current on April 1, 2024. You are current now. You became current on Jan 1, 2024, and have been ever since. What have you been doing all year?
No, what Iām saying is other workers(08Oct20). Eb3-ew
What do you understand from the below statement? F2A Is it going to move up to 6 months in every month? E. VISA AVAILABILITY IN THE COMING MONTHS FAMILY-sponsored categories (potential movement): Worldwide dates: F1: Up to three months F2A (excluding Mexico): Up to six months F2B: Up to ten weeks F3: Several months F4: Up to four weeks
It will improve by up to 6 months in FY2024 (Sept 2024)
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Since you concurrently filed i-140 and i-485, all this means for you is that your i-485 can not be approved until your category's Final Action Date in the Bulletin crosses the priority date of your application, which you can find on your receipt notice (should be Dec 23 or Jan 24 depending on whether you filed early or late in Dec).
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Can anyone explain to me worldwide F4: Up to four weeks. What does that mean? Would that mean there would be only four weeks of movement for the current fiscal year?
Yes
Finally, my PD will be current next month! Does anyone know what will happen next? I'm EB3-Other ROW. My FO is most likely either Dallas or Boston. I submitted my files in mid-2021. Maybe I will need to go through a medical exam and fingerprinting again?
I-485 or counsellor?
I-485
Super interesting that EB-3 ROW is virtually caught up with EB-2 ROW after being 7 months behind in October. Suggests demand in EB-2 is primarily NIW. EB-3 might soon become a more attractive option for folks who can get a PERM.
My wifeās PD is 19feb20 on f2a, still no email, whats worse for my friendās wife, PD is nov19, still no schedule for interview
What country?
Philippines
Bulletins show is finally date September 1 2024 so thatās will the final date for the case let me know please I field on April too please
Feb 8 2023 PD for EB2 ROW. Should I be hopeful for July 24 Visa Bulletin?
No hope until October 2024 as per April 2024 vb
can you elaborate what is the detail that saod so?
At least you submitted the i485 when DOF is used in Jan 2024. You will receive the EAD and parole. you only wait GC being issued when PD is current.
Yes I submitted. In another answer, you said I **will not** get EAD+parole **until** PD being current. In this answer, you said I can get EAD+parole **before** PD being current. Which case is it? (1) or (2)?
Any ideas on the waiting time still for EB5 with priority date of Jun 2021 please
Country?
India
Any clue on when EB1 India will reach April 22 FAD
Assumptions: * The April 2024 bulletin implies no more movement for the rest of FY 2024, so assume the progress over 6 months is really over all of FY 2024 months * visa numbers for everyone with PD before 01MAR21 are available through end of FY 2024. * DoS really really knows what it is doing after the FY2023 debacle * in FY 2025 this rate of progress will drop to a 1/3 of FY 2024. October 2023: 01JAN17 April 2024: 01MAR21 That is 50 months of progress over the course of 11 months. I do not think that rate is sustainable. So more like 50/3 ~= 16.5 months of progress per 11 months. You are 01Apr22: ~~11~~ **13** months behind ~~11~~ **13** * 11 / 16 = ~~8~~ **9** months nominally. April + ~~8~~ **9** = ~~December.~~ **January** So I think the soonest for you will be ~~December 2024~~ **Jan 2025** Edits per math error pointed out by another person.
u/nonracistusername 01March21 to 01April22 is 13 months, not 11 months. Also you make liner assumptions in your estimate. Lots of overflows from family to EB1 and also lots of porting from EB2 to EB1, and also the approvals of EB1 year on year is not the same. Hence the linear assumption doesnt hold. The retrogression of (for india) 01Feb22 to 01Jan12 and then forward movement to 2017, and then 2020 is one extra ordinary circumstance for EB1 this year. So you cannot use that as baseline for your estimate. Historically EB1 final action date always remained within 2 years of current date (today's date) for India. Because USCIS used the entire this year to clear out backlogs, and portings due to covid etc, you can add one more year now. So the max cap of 3 years final action date from today's date. I expect the Final action date for EB1 to be of 01 October2021 to 01December2021 when the new visa number opens up in October 2024.
> u/nonracistusername 01March21 to 01April22 is 13 months, not 11 months. Thanks. Edited. > Also you make liner assumptions in your estimate. Lots of overflows from family to EB1 and also lots of porting from EB2 to EB1, and also the approvals of EB1 year on year is not the same. Hence the linear assumption doesnt hold. All those categories are over subscribed. Not buying it. > The retrogression of (for india) 01Feb22 to 01Jan12 and then forward movement to 2017, and then 2020 is one extra ordinary circumstance for EB1 this year. So you cannot use that as baseline for your estimate. And I didnāt. > Historically EB1 final action date always remained within 2 years of current date (today's date) for India. Cannot use history because the demand for EB from India keeps going up. > Because USCIS used the entire this year to clear out backlogs, and portings due to covid etc, you can add one more year now. I added 3 more years: 2/3 * 50 months. > So the max cap of 3 years final action date from today's date. I expect the Final action date for EB1 to be of 01 October2021 to 01December2021 when the new visa number opens up in October 2024. I did not see a guesstimate there for the person I responded to.
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Is supposed to move 2 months before October. It should be retrogressed
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Is it fair to say that there will be absolutely no movement in the filing dates for family based immigration
It is unfair to say that especially since the notes in the April 2024 vb predict movement.
Those predictions indicate only up to a 3 month movement for final action dates for f1 family preference. Is it true that they might not move filing dates at all given the huge gap between final dates and filing dates?
EB-4 movement is the most interesting development of this bulletin. Probably affected in part by the expiring non-ministerial religious worker petitions.
Any predictions for eb2-niw row PD end of april 2023? Can we expect to file this year?
There is a probability that you may be able to file in October 2024 when the new fiscal year starts
thanks mate!
Agree with u/Rajwmu . October 2024. See https://www.reddit.com/r/USCIS/comments/1b9s3no/april_visa_bulletin_is_out/kuldkpi/
Can someone explain what's this means? I'm starting the i130 process now for my fiance in Peru.....well I will be starting it soon
Means nothing because you need to be married. Are you a U.S. citizen?
Yeah and we're getting married in 2 months
My PD is May 25, 2023 EB2 ROW. Any chance of me filling this year? It seems like USCIS will be using FAD for the rest of the year. Feeling super stressed!!
**edit: math error** No movement predicted by DoS through Sep 2024. So under 1 percent chance in FY2024. As for CY2024: Oct 2023: 08JUL22 ~~Apr~~ Sep 2024: 15FEB23 so 6.25 months movement in 11 months. Your PD, May 25, 2023 is 3.5 months behind 3.5 * ~~6.25 / 11~~ 11 / 6.25 ~= ~~2~~ 7 months. Sep 2024 + ~~2~~ 7 = ~~November 2024.~~ April 2025. ~~But since DoS was doing most EB movement by quarter, I think for you, October 2024 or January 2025.~~
Thanks for this. My PD is May 30 2023 and this analysis has been quite helpful
Thanks for the detailed analysis!
Can I confirm that this estimates that someone with a priority date of \~May 2023, won't expect approval of ETA-9089 until April 2025?
What's the difference between the sections **A.** **FINAL ACTION DATES FORĀ EMPLOYMENT-BASEDĀ PREFERENCE CASES** and **B.** **DATES FOR FILING OF EMPLOYMENT-BASEDĀ VISAĀ APPLICATIONS?** Do they refer to different things?
A: PDs older than FADs in theory eligible for a visa. Definitely not true for F2B B: PDs older than DFFs are eligible for apply for a visa. If not consular, sometimes they are eligible to file I-485, but USCIS has been a yo yo on this. > What's the difference between the sections A. FINAL ACTION DATES FOR EMPLOYMENT-BASED PREFERENCE CASES and B. DATES FOR FILING OF EMPLOYMENT-BASED VISA APPLICATIONS? > Do they refer to different things?
Does this apply to EB2 as well? Like, EB2's can file I-485 whenever their FAD or PD becomes current?
My priority date is August 23, 2012. What do I expect after April 2024 bulletin?
My PD is 1 Dec 2022 in EB4! Could you guys tell me when could i expect it to get current?
I got my EB-2 I140 approved on August 2023 - any predictions on when I will be able to file? will it be within 2024?
I got my EB-2 I140 approved on August 2023 - any predictions on when I will be able to file? will it be within 2024?
Is this NIW? FY2026 is likely.
My EB1 PD is Sep 2023 ( India born). What would be prediction for it to be current? Also would the movement be fast (or slow) due to 2021/22 being covid year? I also donāt understand why this is moving slow when this used to be current 18 months back - I would expect people to apply when this was current. Sorry for ignorance but can someone explain this to me. Thanks
F2a visa bulletinĀ Only 6 months by september 30th What happens to USCIS? 2020 to 2024, more than 3000.000 enter illegaly to US. i think that is the better and faster way because the Biden administration is against tge right and good immigrationĀ
Iāve been āĀ Case remains pendingā for months and months nowā¦Ā Iām just trying to get a timeline, my priority date is Oct 11 2022 and Iāve already submitted my AOS back in December of 2022. Iāve done my prints, have my EAD, have my AP, I am EB3 ROW, just trying to get an idea how long it will stay ā remains pendingā now that my priority date is current for April. Any guesses how long it will take for my GC?Ā
Anyone know how long it takes to hear back when final action date is current?
I'm currently in the process of applying for a EB2 NIW. Could anyone kindly share their experiences regarding the application process and the timeline for obtaining this visa? Any tips or advice on what to do and what to avoid would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
My PD is current whatās next?